Core i5 7600K Review: The Best Gaming CPU?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Just how fast is the new Core i5 7600K? How fast does it overclock and what else is required to push gaming speed to the limit? Rich investigates.
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So basically just wait for zen?
Zen will be weaker from intel for games, especially at similar price points like i5 6600k/7600k(so 250$), what we can count on is maybe intel reduce prices a little bit to stay more compettive vs cheap zen products.
It's literally been seen to be pretty much as powerful as the 6900K in games at CES, at least the 8 core/16 thread CPU. Being the next Faildozer is factually wrong at this point.
because Zen has garbage for single core performance.
Sam Hewitt ryzen
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AMD released the settings they used in the blender benchmark and 6900k users were able to beat that zen score by 12 seconds.
FURTHERMORE, that Zen chip in Doon/vulkan was dropping at 37fps in their tests.
in an API designed by AMD
Upgrading your CPU at this moment doesn't seem too reasonable unless it's weaker then a i5-2500k. I'd say wait for future processors at this time. (Unless you really want that i7-6700k and up)
Would changing from a AMD FX 8350 to this CPU be better or worse cause i really want to move away from AMD CPUs and switch over to intel so it works better with my 980ti
My 4770k Upgrade over my 8350 was amazing, so a 6700k or 7700k would be awesome
i5 2500k will bottleneck u on any new open world game if u play in 1080p, yes even if u oc it and even if u pair it with fastest 2133 DDR3 memory it can handle.
Examples- fh3,mafia3,wd2,dishonored2, de:md amd even gta5
Ofc u can keep old i5 if u dont care about stable 60fps in those and dont mind dips in cpu intense scenario, but if u do, get an i7, even old i7 2600k will do fine(same mobo/ram as ur i5 so u can upgrade to much better performance for around half the price- used i7 2600k).
Kaby is the perfect upgrade from Sandy Bridge.
Better, but your CPU is a bulldozer CPU, while the CPUs that AMD is going to release next month are going to be ZEN CPUs, their new architecture. In recent tests from both AMD and CanardPC (a french specialized paper magazine that had an engineering sample) the new AMD CPUs were on par or beated Intel's best offerings.
Moreover AMD ZEN shoud have as a baseline a i7 6700K equivalent, and it will go up from that with a 6850K and 6900K equivalents.
So wait, it's not going to be a similar CPU to what you have now. It's actually possible that the new AMD CPUs will work better with your GPU, who knows.
At the very least, if AMD CPUs are better, Intel's CPUs will have to go down in price you'll be able to save quite some money anyway ;)
I'm still happy with my i7-2600
Whiting1289 no it wouldn't lol
Whiting1289 Watch Digital Foundry do their own tests with i7s from Sandy Bridge to Skylake (It is not 50 fps gain) . I would guesstimate an IPC gain of 20-30%. I still have my i7 2600k from 5 years. And to spend around £400 on a new i7 7700k build to get the same 4C/8T "feels" kind of pointless
I have an i7 2600k at 4.5 ghz my GPU GTX 1080 is the bottleneck in every single game at 1440p let alone 4k, so basically I would not gain a shit by replacing the cpu. Most of you people don't even know shit, like you saying you will gain 50fps, it's fucking ridiculous.
Adii S Sounds about right. Cause higher resolutions is makes the system GPU bound. So a CPU change is even more pointless if you are running a 1440p or higher monitor
Recently using the i7 2600 with 1300 Mhz memory and r9 380. When Ryzen is released I will upgrade to the 200-250€ 6/12 Ryzen and RX 480
The 7600K is a 6600K with a higher clock Speed
Dilan Hw G yeah it is no one was hiding that whats ur poiny
Dilan Hw G i5 7600k overclocks slightly better on average because of the improved 14nm process. it is not exactly same as i5 6600k
Bullshit. There hasn't been any extensive testing of that theory beyond cherrypicked Intel review samples. The 7600K will average out the same as the 6600K in the long run, just as the 4790K and its "improved process" and "high quality TIM" did with the 4770K. It's pure marketing bluster aimed at selling as many of these respins to as many idiots as possible.
No!! its a overclocked 6600k to 3.8 GHZ
Really liked how you showed the memory influence on the different system setups. Great video!
actually i5 6400 is still the best option
170$ can OC using old bios
Shhh... don't tell them.
u will loose a lot of features if u do this. no cpu heat monitoring, no igpu etc etc
i5 6400 has a igpu
Sega Hen yep true
yea they probably fixed it in the 7 series
I really want to see Pentium G4600 benchmarks. They now added hyperthreading, so it should perform on par with the i3 6100. A $82 4-thread Intel CPU can be a gamechanger for budget builds.
waiting RYZEN
@ult1matum, rush B!
*Xeon E5 1650*
ITS KOOOBEEEE
Oh, my sweet summer child..
@ 07:20 - That sweet 86MB cache on 7700K vs meager 6MB on 7600K...
This happens when there is not competition on the market :\
Go Ryzen
Can you people learn the difference between THEN and THAN?
Who?
You mean ZEN?
IKR
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+DigitalFoundry Looking forward to your take on the 7700k.
4cores are so yesterday, when playing games I usually get stuttering when something is on in the background.. and some games are by themselves loading my i7 6700 that I get stuttering. Time for more cores to the masses!
no thanks Zen for me.
What is Zen?
AMDs new Chip that will bury Intel alive. Ofc raging Intel fanboys are coming in now.
It's not gonna bury shit. Just cause some more healthy competition. Intel has been gouging prices for years unopposed. Still selling quad-cores as mainstream processors after 9 years is a fucking joke. Running up the cost by including an IGP GPU on the die that nobody uses is a fucking joke. Not allowing overclocking on all of their desktop chips is a fucking joke. Seriously, fuck Intel.
raphi i hope you realise the irony in your comment there
MrAckers75 Lol the Zen isn't going to be any good
THIS is the most interesting 7600K Review I have seen so far... and I have seen most of the ones that matter. Great job Digital Foundry and very good points. Kaby Lake could have been a better upgrade, but the whole platform upgrade is not all that terrible.
Still on a 4.3 GHz i5-2500k. Architectural improvements looks promising but I'm gonna try to wait one more CPU gen for the die shrink.
Louie how long have you been waiting lol
This is best review I've seen yet, very succinct and to the point, cheers
Yeah, they talk with statistical data, no bullshit, no personal opinion, no corny jokes.
Science to the max.
* Hears Richard call DDR4 2133 "bargain basement" 5:00
* Looks over at his 2133 DDR3
* Weeps
You have the only videos that highlight the value/impact of RAM. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank god finally a comparison video that shows clock for clock. Thanks for comparing big thumbs up, please add haswell 4670k vs 7600k too both at 4.2ghz ! :)
I've been trying to find a worthwhile upgrade. I run an i7-2700k yet it seems like even the i7-7700k isnt worth the cost of upgrading and rebuilding my pc. it seems like its a meager 30% improvement over a stock i7-2700k and after 5 years you'd expect better. I'd love to see a video showing top of the range for each generation over the last 5 or so years tracking how cpu's have been progressing.
I made the step from I5 2500K to I5 7600K + a GTX 1080:) ... I love it!!! To me it's a huge diference both in games as in a normal work environment.
Love the work DF no fluff or cheap trending hooks in the title, just the straight none diverging facts love it, in my personal opinion the 7700k isn't worth the upgrade if you own a Skylake, kabylake has bad thermal interface, gets hot fast at an incredible rate, even if you decide to delid it for better thermal paste, temps do improve dramatically, but the main tangible selling market point here is the 4k Netflix streaming support which is nullified as soon as you stick in a dedicated video card, it disables the integrated gpu, so in a nutshell Intel says they have improved on the 14nm fin fet process thus improving efficiency but clock for clock same IPC, yet it runs hotter than Skylake and it's added feature is rendered useless for it's target enthusiast consumer who will put in a dedicated video card, you don't buy a 350 dollar CPU just for Netflix 4k streaming, you get a cheap setup box aka TV box, and what about overclocking? there was soo much hype about it made it sound like 98% of 7700k CPUs were able to hit 5ghz reliably, but with my own experiences and further research the real case will be roughly around less than 30 percent of 7700k will hit 5ghz with no offsets and at reasonable temps nothing over 85c, only reason to buy kaby lake is if your upgrading from a AMD 965be like I did, so if your coming from a really slow or older CPU then yes it's worth it but not from Skylake
My God sir! You have taught me a lot about Gaming PCs in a simple 7min video. Thank you!
Great Video, Can you please make a video review of i5 7500 & i5 7600 with different ram clock configurations paired with gtx 1060 for more of mainstream users.... High end bench marks are great, but also we would like to see how mainstream configurations holds up......
Great review as always! I love how you tinker with the memory speeds.
I have the i7 6850k and I couldn't be happier :) I think I don't have to worry for a new CPU for the next 5 years and more.
Do a video on what effect hyper threading has on new dx12 games vs non-hyper threading.
wow, a DF video NOT about PS4 = miracle
I just upgraded from 2500k to a 6600k glad to see its still matching 7600k at the same clock, it was only $180 at Microcenter on Black Friday so price per performance is amazing.
AMD GPU Relive update performance update???
2-5%
Nothing to write home about.
Doesn't that make this video nothing to write home about too?XD
ahdoah Hsieh relevance?
This CPU 5% performance better than previous
A lot of people don't know or understand this, but Nvidia usually has the upperhand when it comes to performance in games on the AMD counterpart. But AMD's drivers have been known to mature in time. A RX480 did a lesser job then the GTX1070 on release. Now, the tables have turned. In 1 year time, AMD's cards have gotten close to a 10% boost. In some games specifically it's even better. Whereas Nvidia's cards have not. Something to take into consideration when purchasing a card, even if you're spending it on an older card. Search for the most recent benchmarks, it makes a huge difference.
So, I just got my 7600k, and I have to say... its one hell of a processor. I upgraded from a pentium g3258 (I know its old and trash) but its what I had to use, Now I can play pretty much any games I want without a bottleneck from my CPU.
Can you please do these tests with mid-range GPUs too, would be interesting to see how the older CPUs fair with those.
What would be interesting would be to see the i5-2500K vs the i5-7600K with RAM speeds on both systems at 2133 MHz and using something like a GTX 1060. I feel you can't definitively say that "clock for clock Kaby Lake is 35% faster than Sandy Bridge" when memory bandwidth is also different between the two systems (and for this kind of scenario is does make sense to use the Titan XP instead).
Basically with the 1060 it becomes a pure "real world" gaming benchmark where the primary bottleneck is on the GPU, and system memory bandwidth between the two machines is as close as possible. That way, it all comes down to whether or not the CPU can keep up with the GPU, and improvements to overall memory bandwidth due to faster DDR4 RAM aren't a consideration. You can then repeat the test with the Titan XP for a definitive conclusion on overall raw gaming performance improvements between Sandy Bridge and Kaby Lake.
I guess it's fairly obvious to me that an i5-7600K is going to outperform an i5-2500K when you pair it with much faster RAM and a Titan X Pascal, and yes nobody in their right mind should be pairing a Skylake or Kaby Lake K-series processor with 2133 MHz RAM, but I think that the differential in this scenario would be a lot less than the 35% you suggest in this comparison.
On another note, I'm looking forward to your coverage of AMD's Ryzen processors and Vega GPUs.
I'm glad I just upgraded to 16GB of 2400MHz DDR3 from my 8GB 1600Mhz! Gittin' more performance out of my Devil's Canyon i5!
haswell/ddr3 vs kaby lake/ddr4 next please
Im running a i7 2600k and a Geforce 970. I´m a bit amazed about how well it still runs games. Still no reason to upgrade really having only a 60Hz screen. At this rate I might as well never upgrade and just buy a whole new rig when the current one becomes truly outdated.
dont forget that he is using a titan xp, which is causing a cpu bottleneck. any amount of extra power from memory bandwith to cpu clock rates will obviously grant better performance. if you were to be using a gpu that did not show a cpu bottleneck, any extra amount of mhz on ram wouldnt make a difference
still going strong with my i7-5930K @ 4.4ghz. Six real cores and DDR4 @ 2400mhz. Nothing slows me down. X99 FTW. :)
Still rocking a 4.4 ghz 3570k with 16GB of DDR3-2133mhz RAM. I've owned this CPU for over 4 years, and don't see any reason to upgrade. This new chip might be 20 to 25% faster clock for clock at best... maybe. I hope AMD's new chip is strong, so we see some real competition again.
Intel has been so lazy the past 6 years because of lack of competition. It's such a damn shame some people adamantly defend Intel for ripping them off.
I'd love to see a comparison between i5 and i7 to see if hyperthreading makes a difference in these modern titles. I feel like buying a 4 core CPU at this point isn't all that future proof, even if you might get identical performance in most GPU bound titles.
best explanation I've heard yet. Thanks for the info!
haswell-e, broadwell-e vs kaby lake please :)
DigitalFoundry review the new pentium g4560, it's the first pentium that supports now hyper threading (4 threads) just like any i3 and it only costs 70€ / usd. It looks like it's the best budget cpu right now. I'm wondering if the i3 6100 is obsolete now, since the pentium g4560 is pretty much just like the i3 6100 on paper and it costs way less (40€ / usd less).
I love this! Can you do a comparison between 3000mhz and 4000mhz memory?
i "love" when he say " new Intel cpu" !! Only question are what is new on Crapylake cpu-s (except higher factory clock and new name)
CPU - Intel i5 7600k
Motherboard - MSI Z270 A pro
RAM - G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB
STORAGE - Samsung 850 evo-series 250 GB SSD + Seagate 1HDD
Video Card - MSI Radeon 580 8 gb
Power Supply - EVGA supernova 550w 80+Gold fully modular ATX
please let me know if i should replace anything
Finesse and Kawal 24/7 psu Seems really weak i just add to my build a 859w EVGA 80gold g2 For future proof
Now RAM frequnecy is really helps...nice
Well I did not have a choice 9 months ago when I bought my i5-7600k on an MSI Z270pro MB as my Q9550 ASUS motherboard finally died. If it would of waited 3 months or so to die I my have bought an R5-1600x but alas, it was not meant to be. Still happy with the "lowly" i5-7600k, it runs everything I have about 150% faster than my 775 system could.
Hi Richard,
thanks again for your great work!
I'm thinking about upgrading my CPU as currently I'm using an i3
i'll be waiting for the next 8500k. There are also rumors that the next 8700k will have 6 cores on the mainstream platform.
intel has finally went crazy. 1 fps "improvement"? its within margin of error.
I'm rocking I7 5930K in one rig, and I5 6600K in my 2nd rig, thought about upgrading to the 7700K on my 2nd, but after seeing these minor improvement its not worth my money.
Just a quick question.
What's the point in getting a high end cpu? Wouldn't it be better to get a mid-range one and allocate the rest of the budget on a more powerful gpu?
goodlyboony because its very easy to upgrade a GPU, but its not easy to upgrade Cpu coz u may have to change the entire system. High end CPU is for eliminating CPU bottleneck. For example, people bought 2600k 5-6 years ago and can pair with the gtx titan XP without much bottleneck, but if he bough the i3 2300 or AMD fx6100 at that time, he cant maximize the titan XP power.
Bottlenecking
i5-7600K@4.9GHz is the best gaming CPU? Yes. Why? Because i bought it :P (five years with notebook is a good enough reason).
I just purchased an ASUS ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO MB with Intel Core i5 7600K and 16 GB Corsair DDR4 2400 ram. This is the FIRST time I have ever purchased an Intel based system to build. I have been loyal to AMD for many years. Since I am retired, I cannot afford a new GPU also, so I am forced to stay with my Nvidea GEFORCE GTX 960 with 4 GB ram. I certainly hope this is going to last a while. Building new rigs and being on a fixed income are not compatible!
7:20 86 MB of cache on i7 is a lot! ;)
1gb of cache would be interesting
Kaby Lake was the biggest disappointment ever...
Can't really call it best since the i7 part is the one to go to generally if possible
and soon the overclocking i3 will dominate the budget market
that last pic of 7700k's cache 86MB :D :D
I'm feeling a bit daft for buying a 6700k about a month ago, but it's a relief that the performance benefit of 7th-gen seems marginal at best lol
Hell people still using the i5 2500K are fine. Why would Intel need to drastically improve when there's no competition?
I game with a I5 4460 4th gen, & the new GTX 1080, and 16megs memory I can run any game maxed out with no problems.
Would like to see how older processors fare with new games like Witcher 3. i7 3770 (non k) for example. compare to newer processors.
Having a 6700k I'm not really enticed to do change anything. I hope AMD does some fair competition so Intel users can have something more innovative to choose from in 2018-2019.
for a minimal frame boost? not worth it if u have skylake
Want to see a video of i7 7700 vs 6700 vs 4790
In fairness, Intel make great CPUs. The 7600 and 7700ks though were just released as an experimental sale. They know people will buy their slight upgrades so why not release them to the market? There won't be a significant Intel CPU upgrade for a couple years. Not sure what some customers expect tbh. Technology can only move so fast. At this very moment, id say it's fair to claim that AMD perform far better in the GPU market than with their CPU's, but the game changes completely if zen can be a cost-effective beast in its own right
@ 7:23 it states that the i7 has 86MB cache. I'm guessing this should be 8MB.
The table in the end shows the 7700k cache at 86MB. Should be only 8MB
Everyone needs to wait for Intel's new Cannonlake coming out at the end of the year. It will be a 10nm chip and have alot better performance oh and hopefully Zen will be a big performer aswell!
do a diablo 3 ps4 pro patch video
Can you compare an Z270 + i5 7600k (OCed to 4.8~) + 3000 Mhz Memory + a 40-50€ CPU cooler (typical OC Setup), vs. an B250 + i7 7600 + 2400 Mhz memory (+ Intel Stock cooler, or maybe an entry level one).
Both Setups should cost nearly the same~, but the Difference is, higher Clock speed + higher Ram speed vs. Hyperthreading.
In your i5 2500k vs. i7 3770k Video you showed, that Hyperthreading was more future proof over the Years, compared to OC.
But what about NOW? Would an non-OC i7 7600 still beat an non-Hyperthreaded i5 7600k, despite lower Clock speed?
Of course, i would idealy pair those 2 setups with a GTX 1060 / RX 480 (1080p / 60 Hz gaming, while still futureproofing the Platform), and maybe with a GTX 1080 (which is the typical higher end GPU today), just to see with which GPU Hyperthreading actually can make a difference in today's Games.
thanx, very useful video, as i am using the same chip,
I see you have a Tritton Katana, did you published a review? I can not seem to find any decent coverage on this headset
wait why isn't anyone talking about the ram speed improvements with OC'd kaby lake?
Digital Foundry, I eagerly await your Ryzen reviews. If you have any sample Zen cpus and mobos, why don't you do your community a favour by breaking any NDA in place and post sneak previews. We will be grateful.
This is the only place where I have seen evidence/something to suggest that faster RAM speeds can make a meaningful difference. Since I am planning to buy a i5 7600k and a gtx 1060 (which is what you tested with) with a z270 motherboard and 16GB of DDR4 RAM I am asking what speed of RAM should I get (for gaming) and since my gf is planning to use some game development programs does that mean that faster (faster than 2133) RAM is needed? Also what should I get 2 x 8GB or 4 x 4 GB? An answer would be much appreciated.
im using it now together with 1070 jetstream but still struggling in warhammer 2
Got my 7700K coming soon, my old 2600K at 4.4ghz wasn't able to play Forza Horizon 3, was massively CPU bottlenecked.
Lion Heart , min spec CPU is an i5 3570. I had read on the internet it has to do with how files are encrypted on the disk, and that 3rd gen CPUs have much better AES decrypt hardware support.
I want to wait till ryzen is released before i build my first pc. I want to be team red since i like amd but i need the reviews to come in first. Vega and ryzen look very promising.
how long will my i5 4670k @ 4Ghz last?
it can slightly bottleneck a 1070 on some games that use more than 4 threads, most of the cases its just fine
i use i5 4670k at 3.8ghz turbo speed paired with gtx 1070 strix edition, in games: Dirt rally, far cry primal,doom, mad max limit is the gpu but in bf1 its cpu bottleneck. In rise of the tomb raider, in the open areas cpu works at 100% load and gpu around 80%, exploring tombs it goes other way around 70%cpu and 100%gpu usage. So yes this cpu is slight bottleneck but almost non existent
i run all my games maxed out at 1080p.
Gavin Crane Until it dies.
Why is no one discussing and benching the i7-7700K?
Samples not out yet?
kr00m maybe but it will just be a 2 to 6 fps difference maybe a tiny bit more
im gonna hope to see op improvements from my AMD fx 8350 to an Intel i5 7600k with a hyper 212 evo cooler, im also gettin a z270 mobo for 100 bucks (last one in stock) im using a gtx 970 for my gpu and i play hungry cpu games so hopefully when i get my parts i will see intel's power (aka all fanbois calling out AMD but remember i bought my fx 8350 for 80 dollars black friday compared to this i5 240$)
Will you guys check out the Kaby Lake pentiums with hyperthreading? Might make them a new option for a budget build starting at 70 euro's. However, with i3's being more expensive, what would the added value be besides compatibility for the Oculus Rift (which you wouldnt want to do on an i3 in the first place)
5.100 daily at 1.385v AIO 240
5.205 daily at 1.395v AIO 240
5300mhz testing started this week.
Anyone else ? Looking for 5100mhz plus videos.
And what about pentium processors with HT. Are you going to test them?
Got a i5-7600k with a rx480 gtr 8gb waiting for delivery
7:20 i7 7700K 86MB cache? wow ;)
Last year everyone was saying Polaris would DESTROY Nvidia and that AMD would be the new budget king. Wasn't that impressive at all and so far most people have gone with Nvidia. I think everyone should not get too hyped about Zen. AMD has much less resources than Intel, I'm hoping it is a game changer but looking back it seems unlikely.
I have i3-6100 I need one, now I am staring to feel it
if you've got an i5 2500k and you want to upgrade, I'd just get the i7 3770k. A generation newer and hyperthreading is available without having to buy a new motherboard
only reason why that may be true is because 95% of PC games are too old to have support for more than 4 or even 2 cores. After all PC gaming has been around since DOS was popular. But if you want to continue to use your same PC for new games, then you may want to consider an i7 because the new titles do utilize more that 4 cores/threads.
And saying that hyperthreading could offer "less" than nothing is not true at all. Having something available that's not utilized doesn't take away from what is.
Digital foundry even did a video on upgrading from i5 2500k to i7 3770k
Hey it actually clocks higher than ivy bridge XD
If you guys honestly think anything AMD puts out this year will be competitive with intel you're in for a big disappointment. They always look good on paper and when they finally release the new hardware it's a joke.
Just as well you could be dissapointed, if AMD does put out something competitive ;p Just let them come out first and then talk stuff about it like this.
Fuck off, you're just butthurt because zen will wipe out your shitty i5
Don't you think you're exaggerating?
You're always going to be disappointed if you hype things up, that's for sure. You have to know what to expect. But saying that their newly released hardware is "a joke"? That's too much.
I mean their GPU are proving to beat out Nvidia at this moment
rx 480 sold less from gtx 1080 even and those were enthusiasts market cards that only rich mofos buy, really good amd card currently is rx 470 and thats best value(price to performance)actually, much better from anything ngreedia offers atm, unfortunately amd didnt marketed it enough so ppl who arent in the know will go for weaker and overpriced gtx 1050ti instead.
Dont use a native quadcore for the future. All new games from EA comes with frostbite and the performance could be the same to BF1. 8+ threads are the (near) future.
Best option:used 4690k. cheap and good.
Hello digitalfoundry and greetings from germany.
Could you please do a test run with DDR4_4000 too?
I know DRR4_3200 is fast but there is some really super fast DDR4_4000 and 4200 RAM on the market and as enthusiast i am very interested in the benefit of even faster RAM.
Thank you very much. It helped a lot... keep up..
might get the i5 7600K instead of the 6600K
I don't see any reason to upgrade from my i5 3570k