Thanks for watching all! Sorry for the mis-labeled i5/i7 in the benchmark slides... you get what I mean though ;-) Time for me to drive across the desert to CES! Wish me luck!!
7600k is still not a viable upgrade unless you're using an older I5/I7. My 6600k is 5.1ghz and it runs amazingly well, the kaby-lake just is a refresh with higher clocks and that is basically it. I haven't even delidded my cpu, and it's at 5.1ghz @ 1.35v and never goes above 50'c. Rather keep this than blow £230 on a 7600k and get the same performance
exactly some websites claim that clock to clock kaby lake and skylake will perform equally and if they run a couple of test it's a 50 50 if either skylake or kaby lake is going to win. Honestly intel would have been better rebranding skylake to kaby lake without changing anything since the end result is the same and those features Paul speaks about are cut of skylake just so kaby lake has at least something. I hope no-one buys these idiotic chips, unless you build an entire new system, but I would rather have a cheaper skylake than a kaby lake.
RedcatPlaysGames Seems like all Intel is doing is saving their best silicon to bring out their incremental updates to their processors. Seems to be a trend there is not big differences between them and if you have a 6700k which most people still don't have it is not necessary to upgrade for the prices they like to charge. This is just my opinion,of course. The changes in the chipsets are appreciated though. To me this just shows they need competition.
7:16? It started at 4:43, and let me tell you I was confused for several minutes before I thought "maybe it's a typo, I should check the comments". (I probably should have just read past the i5 or i7 part, haha)
Same cpu here. I"ve been loving it for around 2 years now. I couldn't agree more. I may go back to AMD and give Ryzen a real chance IF I see it's worth it in what I do and the power consumption.
They're perfect for people who don't already have good CPU's. Using a i5 4460 and i'm in need of a new CPU. Either i7 6700k or i7 7700k/Ryzen if they release before March.
skylake 350$ kabylake 340$ if your on an old chip this is a good upgrade, a thing he missed in the video is that if your gonna overclock the 6700k to 4.6 then you should overclock the 7700k even higher than 4.6 since it can run at higher clocks
Apparently my 6600k got bumped up to an i7. Yay! So yea, absolutely no point for me to even consider these refreshed CPUs. My 6600k will probably last me 3 years or more depending if Intel will keep up with this incremental improvement crap, if you can even call these CPUs improved..
it's funny that people always expect it to costs barely anything compared to it's counterpart.. I would be happy if it costs 600.. less cost for more or the same is a win already.. even if it was just 50.. that 50 would be well spent in another piece
I saw a 3% on an apples to apples 4.0ghz test.. 3% is still within margin for same chip test. So less wouldn't surprise me. 4.5ghz out of box is still cool for the average non-power user.
@Intel: "hey we need more money" "no problem... take the skylake increase the core clock and call it Kabylake" "WOW you are a genius!!!! - lets promote this guy!!!!
so basically intel is doing the same thing amd did with the FX series(remember the days amd FX 43xx/63xx/83xx series came to replace the FX 41xx/61xx/81xx and everyone was like " well its amd they are just reselling old OC'd cpus) and nobody is raging now since its intel :/, honestly if someone is gaming and uses the 4xxx series of intel cpus it would still be unwise to upgrade to 7xxx series, simply no significant improvement
dont get me wrong but when i say raging i mean insults and such not comments that just range from "nah" to "il wait for the next upgrade" .... alot hate AMD as a company received bordered from looking down on AMD to right out insults.......
I didn't ask Paul what Jay got his chip to run at. I asked Paul what was Paul's max overclock. Jay's result in isolation is only a sample of one. Is that indicative of all 7700Ks? we wont know until we get a bigger set of results.
Zen is doing fine though? Like, really really well. It comes really close to the 7700k in gaming(esp. when the games have been optimized for it and you have high memory speed along with the best bioses) and that will only continue to improve as time goes on and it utterly destroys intel on the creation front(rivaling and beating a $1.2k processor with 2 more cores than it) so... I don't see how we're screwed.
Vyor Generic Last Name especially when comparing an octa-core/16 thread to a quad-core/8 thread. lower clock still = more things being done when fully utilized
Good for you (& competition), Ryzen 5 1600 is the best bang for buck for gaming, and 6 cores & 12 threads is just icing on top. 7700K remains the gaming king, but you pay much more for it.
calical26 The 4790K performed better than the 6700K in some cases. If that's the case, that means a CPU from almost 4 years ago performs only ~5% worse at most, which is ridiculously upsetting.
USMAN HUSSAIN no the 6700k doesn't out perform the 4790k "by a mile" in some cases the 4790k beat the 6700k, it still holds better single core performance.
AMD's going to town with massive IPC and efficiency improvements, meanwhile Intel is like "meh, we've overclocked your Skylake chip so it goes faster" :|
turbo pascal Like how the 9590 vs the 8350 is massive IPC improvements? wait no. they're just different clock speeds. what are you talking about IPC improvements? AMD hasnt released anything yet.
Like 6900K vs 8350 IPC improvements :) Nothing released to the market, but a lot already shown and laid out. For all intents and purposes, Kaby Lake is pretty much a simulatneous release to Ryzen.
I kind of find it funny when people talk about an unreleased product as if it exists. "A lot already shown and laid out"- Turbo Pascal. And as in a lot you mean biased first party sources that have shown to be inaccurate in past releases?
turbo pascal your lil brains cant work how long it takes to develop a CPU die. If you expect them tobrelease brand new architectures each year your plain dumb. Also AMD CPU's will not be as good as Intel is right now. Nor will the GPU's wait till you see.
Remember getting so excited for this used 4770k I picked up for cheap! I overclocked it straight away and got to 4.2ghz at 1.3 volts.. I was so sad that day that I traded the chip for a 4690k an 20$. Now atleast i'm running at 4.6ghz with a v-core of 1.22.
Sheena1234ization Literally everyone does this, even the major MoBo manufacturers, I don't understand why it's soo hard for people to keep it straight? No offense intended.
I would buy a i7 6700(k) anyways simply because it's not worth spending extra cash on a chip that performs about 10% or less than it's original part. It only costs $280/$300 at Microcenter and if you read this Intel, just slash the prices for Ryzen please!
Paul. I thought the fan or something was making an annoying clicking noise through the video. Then I realised its a really quiet music track. Everything awesome apart from that
I never noticed it before, but now I can hear you tapping the keyboard with your feet to control the teleprompter. xD Love the videos! Keep up the awesome work!
Do you really think that an i3 even overclocked will continue to beat an i5 with games continuing a trend of better using more cores? It already costs nearly as much as an i5 and you still need a heatsink and to spend more on an overclockable motherboard, really just save the money on the z series chipset and the cooler and put that $100 or so into a better gpu or ssd or more case fans or buy some steam games, there are better ways
I totally agree !!! It is just a overclocked version of i7 6700K !!! You can see the temperature is so high at 80c !!! 100% scam people !!! No sell point to buy i7 7700K !!!
@name 187 The point if there's marginal improvement from over the years and that amd's new horizon shows game changing benchmarks (pun kinda intended) it's time for amd to take over the throne
I hope Zen benchmarks and comparisons will be much more interesting. Awesome video Paul! Unfortunately, Intel doesn't seem to be making any changes this year.
Thank you soooo much, I picked up on what you said about under volting your 7700k. I was getting 70+ degrees at stock clock speeds on games like bf1 and gta on my 7700k with a hyper 212 evo and I had no clue why. I under volted and now I get 60-65 degrees.
Maybe when Intel Cookie Lake comes out, we will see a standardized core count improvement. Lord knows with Intel"s naming scheme.... cracks me up. If i'm not mistaken, intel said they were more focused on power efficiency over performance, results show not much. As desktop processors, I dont think enthusiasts care too much about power draw. Especially with the unlocked chips. Is kably lake a FLOP? probably... Is this good For AMD to play catch up? I sure hope so! Still rocking devils canyon on a older Z87 motherboard. Nothing seems to really blow my hair back in the last two generations. Obi wan kenobi... I mean.. AMD your our only hope...
Great Video Paul! Non biased reviews are what makes youtube a great tool for us consumers! So far I don't regret building a I5 6600k system on black friday :) And even if I decided down the road that I "must have" Kabylake, It'l drop right into my current mobo!
+1 thing will it live for at least 3-4 years. (even if I have to play on minimum settings) also consider that I will give it some heavy OpenCL loads for long peroids of time (7-8 hours a day around 200days/year).
It still remains to see a showdown in overclockability over the same cooling solution using the different chips, and then do benchmarks with the max overclock of all chips (keeping in mind the silicon lottery of course). Jay reported an "easy" overclock of 5 GHz on the 7700k using regular AIO watercooling with 1.325V running 75C during load (the sweetspot), so there's your advantage over Skylake. I'm sure we'll see people reaching 5.1 or 5.2 GHz with some extra effort in the near future, at least with custom loops.
+Paul's Hardware It's called MCE or Multi Core Enhancement and most modern motherboards have it enabled by default (it was a toggle option is older motherboards) that allows all cores to hit their turbo clocks simultaneously.
That boost clock behaviour is normal for Skylake and > processors. You need to set per-core count multipliers in the BIOS to see clock speeds drop below max with all cores utilised.
So it's just as I thought I'm better off getting Skylake's i7 6700K on the Z170 platform rather than the Z270 platform for when it comes to overclocking. Thanks Paul for doing a good job of testing it out.
Very nice bench marking review, ive been looking for one where the cpus are put at the same clocks to see what the difference is, and it doesnt appear that there is any difference. Wish more youtubers did their benchmarks like this.
I went in to Kaby Lake expecting to see a similar situation to the Hazwel refresh 4790k/4690k vs 4770k. This even underperforms that expectation. It would not surprise me if the only architectural change in these cpus was the hardware support for HDCP 2.2. How is this a "New" architecture? This just seems to be Skylake with better yields after a year in production (even that is in question because of the high core voltages they run at out of the box). It is BS that Intel can get away with calling Kaby Lake a new architecture just because it sounds better in marketing than a refresh would.
So that means unless I really want the new mobo features, there's really no reason for me to switch from my 6700k to the 7700k? Hmm.. I was really hoping for more of a reason to buy one. This is giving me food for thought. Thanks for the work you did with this video, Paul. Much appreciated.
Yes, but the 7700k can overclock to 4.6GHz with a mere 212 evo cooler (and can actually overclock to 4.7GHz with such a cooler as well). The other processors would need a more expensive air cooler or water cooling for that. Also with water cooling 7700k can reach the promised land of milk and honey of 5GHz.
Yeah the talk about Phase Change memory has been off and on since the 60s. As of now it's just rumors, we still haven't quite reached affordable and production cost effective ram in the terabyte range. And anything that is has a high frequency but low timings.
I still have the first generation I7 920, i bought it back in 2010 and still going strong. I will probably upgrade in late 2017 when cannon-lake comes out
It will be interesting to see Kaby Lake's overclockability after more time has passed. Maybe if you lost out really badly on the silicon lottery for the 6700k you could have more success with Kaby Lake. Jay and Gamer's Nexus both got their samples to 5.0 GHz seemingly without difficulty. Personally I'm hoping for a hex core or octa core with Skylake IPC performance.
It would have been interesting to look at the processor temperatures and voltage draws when they were all clocked at the same frequency. This would have given a decent indication of the upper level of it's overclocking capability and whether or not Kabylake really offers any advantage.
I really wish people would start using arma 3 in benchmarks, especially cpu's. i mean i get 100 fps on gta v and bearly manage 60fps on arma 3. And gta v graphics are cranked up much higher than arma as well
I was silly and got a 6600k and will upgrade to 6700k for editing purposes. Looking for a 10nm 6 core with hyperthreading to come along. maybe a 7850? at around $575?
can you do a video on when and why you should upgrade your PC for gaming only, and how many GPU/CPU gens you suggest you can skip before a upgrade is in deed need?
One of my Gentle Typhoons I use on my H100i radiator burned out the other day, I couldn't get a new set since they're practically discontinued so I ended up getting some Corsair ML120 which I'm actually enjoying right now because I can actually control the rpm with Corsair Link.
I'm glad I watched this video, I was thinking about upgrading from the 6700K to the 7700K but based on the benchmark results it isn't really worth the 10% gain.
Thanks for watching all!
Sorry for the mis-labeled i5/i7 in the benchmark slides... you get what I mean though ;-)
Time for me to drive across the desert to CES! Wish me luck!!
Drive?!?!?!?
Paul's Hardware what about the 1 thousand dollar pic build benchmarks ?
Have fun, safe travels.
yeah man can't wait to see your CES content! great job on today's video :DDDD
Paul's Hardware cool, have fun.
basically intel took the 6700k and 6600k increased out the box speed and called it a new cpu... get the fuck outta here intel
But they seem to run cooler. Apparently you can reach 5GHz on air cooling.
Jehan Kateli that was ryzen.
No, hes right, you can get 5ghz on air with the 7700k, but that was after they had delidded the cpu.
What part of optimization in PAO do you not understand?
7600k is still not a viable upgrade unless you're using an older I5/I7. My 6600k is 5.1ghz and it runs amazingly well, the kaby-lake just is a refresh with higher clocks and that is basically it. I haven't even delidded my cpu, and it's at 5.1ghz @ 1.35v and never goes above 50'c. Rather keep this than blow £230 on a 7600k and get the same performance
So basically the Kaby lake processors are just the skylake ones at a higher clock
exactly some websites claim that clock to clock kaby lake and skylake will perform equally and if they run a couple of test it's a 50 50 if either skylake or kaby lake is going to win. Honestly intel would have been better rebranding skylake to kaby lake without changing anything since the end result is the same and those features Paul speaks about are cut of skylake just so kaby lake has at least something. I hope no-one buys these idiotic chips, unless you build an entire new system, but I would rather have a cheaper skylake than a kaby lake.
RedcatPlaysGames yes
RedcatPlaysGames Seems so. Basically means it isn't an upgrade at all since people who buy unlocked SKUs overclock anyway.
Tucker Higgins when the architecture is the same, ghz can improve speed alot. on jayz he has an aircooled kaby lake at 5.00 ghz which is immense
RedcatPlaysGames Seems like all Intel is doing is saving their best silicon to bring out their incremental updates to their processors. Seems to be a trend there is not big differences between them and if you have a 6700k which most people still don't have it is not necessary to upgrade for the prices they like to charge. This is just my opinion,of course. The changes in the chipsets are appreciated though. To me this just shows they need competition.
RIP Intel 2017
Cause of death:
Apple innovation disease
rather lack of competition syndrome
XD hahahahahahaha
Or both
Ban Ashrack This happens when there is little competition. That's why I'm rooting for AMD so hard right now.
Bluntdragon I had lost hope for humanity until I read your comment
7:16 i7 6600K and i5 6700K?
OH GOD DAMMIT
I knew I was gonna do that somewhere >.
Just wanted to say that :D
That makes sense to me :O
7:16? It started at 4:43, and let me tell you I was confused for several minutes before I thought "maybe it's a typo, I should check the comments".
(I probably should have just read past the i5 or i7 part, haha)
5:18
still no reason for me to upgrade from i7 4790K
Mr.Haaska no reason, the way things are going maybe in 10 years , maybe, so keep your chip liquid cooled to expand it's life span.
Same cpu here. I"ve been loving it for around 2 years now. I couldn't agree more. I may go back to AMD and give Ryzen a real chance IF I see it's worth it in what I do and the power consumption.
MCES LEX I have Noctua NH-D15. And it's dam good air cooler. Maybe even the best air cooler.
you're on the last cpu of socket 1150
schould probably be fine to skip 1151
got a 6700k myself and plan to maybe upgrade on the next socket
Noctua NH-D15 is actually the best air cooler and better cooler than all the AIO coolers available. It is second only to custom liquid cooled.
so basically there's no reason to buy kabylake CPUs. If I bought one I'd feel scammed
Quaquas It's a good deal for new builders or people on older chip sets who want an upgrade. These new chips are actually cheaper than Skylake.
cheaper? how?
They're perfect for people who don't already have good CPU's. Using a i5 4460 and i'm in need of a new CPU. Either i7 6700k or i7 7700k/Ryzen if they release before March.
skylake 350$ kabylake 340$ if your on an old chip this is a good upgrade, a thing he missed in the video is that if your gonna overclock the 6700k to 4.6 then you should overclock the 7700k even higher than 4.6 since it can run at higher clocks
It's good, it means that they'll be forced to sell 6XXX CPUs cheaper!
My bridge is still sandy.
Mine's still full of Ivy
Mine Has aged well
_Myst mines in a town in a gulf
... I have a Windsor. Its getting replaced with a Kaby Lake.
Same, sadly. Rocking a freaking 2400, but it's still good enough.
i cant wait to upgradevmy 6700k said no one ever
"let's just make the chips run a little bit faster than the old ones, it'll blow their minds"
lol, this dosen't work on the custom PC market, we are too intelligent. That is Apple's mindset with new products and everyone still buys them.
Bape Harambe which the 6700k overclocks to.
this is what happens when theres no competition for 5 years
Keelan your profile pic is perfect for your comment lol!
i was like i7 6600k and a i5 6700k? wait a minute. lol
was wondering the same thing lol
was wondering the same thing lol
Apparently my 6600k got bumped up to an i7. Yay!
So yea, absolutely no point for me to even consider these refreshed CPUs.
My 6600k will probably last me 3 years or more depending if Intel will keep up with this incremental improvement crap, if you can even call these CPUs improved..
typo
@@sporadicidiocy 3 years done? And now u going to buy Amd, right?
So, basically no changes besides Integrated graphics and clock speed? :/
its the same thing.. :/ well i'm going for zen with the 8 core 16 tread one for around 400 bucks =P
trust me it won't be $400 for 8 cores 16 threads
adjrv vrjda we'll see.
it's funny that people always expect it to costs barely anything compared to it's counterpart.. I would be happy if it costs 600.. less cost for more or the same is a win already.. even if it was just 50.. that 50 would be well spent in another piece
who cares for the integradted graphics?
Is it just me or are Kaby Lake processors literally just overclocked Skylake processors...
my thought as well
Kabylake CPU's are just binned Skylake
It's the optimization part of Intel's PAO. No surprise there.
From everything I have seen.. clock to clock the kaby's are about 3% more powerful. So yeah.. the same.
I saw a 3% on an apples to apples 4.0ghz test.. 3% is still within margin for same chip test. So less wouldn't surprise me. 4.5ghz out of box is still cool for the average non-power user.
@Intel:
"hey we need more money"
"no problem... take the skylake increase the core clock and call it Kabylake"
"WOW you are a genius!!!! - lets promote this guy!!!!
J. J. Abrams killed Star Wars fucking love your name. good comment too
J. J. Abrams killed Star Wars don't forget who wrote the script. George just got stale.
J. J. Abrams killed Star Wars Everyone seems to ignore the fact that they can get much better overclocks.
Tylaire what much better oclock?? you call 5ghz much better and with water cooler?? you can do same shit with 6700k too
Mr11ESSE111 w
so basically intel is doing the same thing amd did with the FX series(remember the days amd FX 43xx/63xx/83xx series came to replace the FX 41xx/61xx/81xx and everyone was like " well its amd they are just reselling old OC'd cpus) and nobody is raging now since its intel :/, honestly if someone is gaming and uses the 4xxx series of intel cpus it would still be unwise to upgrade to 7xxx series, simply no significant improvement
Yep, and now it's AMD's turn to present innovating products. Well, I hope.
Well said man, people are natural hypocrites when it comes to brand loyalty.
Boris Kljaic what do you mean no one is raging? Look at the comments, everyone is raging
dont get me wrong but when i say raging i mean insults and such not comments that just range from "nah" to "il wait for the next upgrade" .... alot hate AMD as a company received bordered from looking down on AMD to right out insults.......
Boris Kljaic I guess, hated. Seems like people like the underdog once again.
so getting to the question that everyone has but was not answered. What was the max overclock for the 7700K?
brad morris 7ghz using 2 cores
I am aware of the 7Ghz OC under LN2. Not very practical for 24/7.
I was talking about on the chip that was used for the benchmarks.
brad morris jayztwocents got his 7700k stable at 5ghz with 1.35v. That just sounds amazing 5ghz and stable..
MrJdbest and I am using 1.35v to get my 6700k stable at 4.6ghz so it does look like some improvement on Kabylake.
I didn't ask Paul what Jay got his chip to run at. I asked Paul what was Paul's max overclock.
Jay's result in isolation is only a sample of one. Is that indicative of all 7700Ks? we wont know until we get a bigger set of results.
If AMD doesn't perform with Zen, we are screwed.
Zen is doing fine though? Like, really really well. It comes really close to the 7700k in gaming(esp. when the games have been optimized for it and you have high memory speed along with the best bioses) and that will only continue to improve as time goes on and it utterly destroys intel on the creation front(rivaling and beating a $1.2k processor with 2 more cores than it) so...
I don't see how we're screwed.
Stijn v I it's... literally the same price as Intel's line-up
clock speed is meaningless between architectures.
Vyor Generic Last Name especially when comparing an octa-core/16 thread to a quad-core/8 thread. lower clock still = more things being done when fully utilized
Good for you (& competition), Ryzen 5 1600 is the best bang for buck for gaming, and 6 cores & 12 threads is just icing on top. 7700K remains the gaming king, but you pay much more for it.
i7 6600k and the i5 6700k, never heard of those but ok, lol
canadiangamer I bought a i7 6600K in Candy Land
canadiangamer there is an i7 6600HQ, but for mobile
canadiangamer I was looking for this comment, this should be on top!
C. L. K there's an i7 6600U dual core with hyper-threading but I don't think there is an i7 6600hq
please AMD... give intel a kick in the butt with zen!
If people don't buy it won't help anyway :\
lol intel hater such an android user
Here we are 3 years later with and dumpstering Intel in every price bracket
i have a 6700k no point for me to upgrade all i go is game 6600k is like my old 3770k
calical26 The 4790K performed better than the 6700K in some cases. If that's the case, that means a CPU from almost 4 years ago performs only ~5% worse at most, which is ridiculously upsetting.
USMAN HUSSAIN Link? Don't spew bullshit out of your ass.
CALM THE FUCK DOWN!
+USMAN HUSSAIN clock for clock? 4790 vs 6700?
USMAN HUSSAIN no the 6700k doesn't out perform the 4790k "by a mile" in some cases the 4790k beat the 6700k, it still holds better single core performance.
AMD's going to town with massive IPC and efficiency improvements, meanwhile Intel is like "meh, we've overclocked your Skylake chip so it goes faster" :|
turbo pascal Like how the 9590 vs the 8350 is massive IPC improvements? wait no. they're just different clock speeds. what are you talking about IPC improvements? AMD hasnt released anything yet.
Like 6900K vs 8350 IPC improvements :) Nothing released to the market, but a lot already shown and laid out. For all intents and purposes, Kaby Lake is pretty much a simulatneous release to Ryzen.
I kind of find it funny when people talk about an unreleased product as if it exists. "A lot already shown and laid out"- Turbo Pascal. And as in a lot you mean biased first party sources that have shown to be inaccurate in past releases?
turbo pascal because their already that good they don't need to do shit
turbo pascal your lil brains cant work how long it takes to develop a CPU die. If you expect them tobrelease brand new architectures each year your plain dumb. Also AMD CPU's will not be as good as Intel is right now. Nor will the GPU's wait till you see.
Ha 4.20 ghz.
Remember getting so excited for this used 4770k I picked up for cheap! I overclocked it straight away and got to 4.2ghz at 1.3 volts.. I was so sad that day that I traded the chip for a 4690k an 20$. Now atleast i'm running at 4.6ghz with a v-core of 1.22.
William skagen You don't get it right?
there's an i5-6700k? and an i7-6600k?
Dusk Deity I don't think there's an i5 6700k
Mustafa Mirza it was sarcasm... smh in the video benchmarks he put i5-6700k and i7 6600k lol
Hello from Russia. Thanks for your video, Paul!
5:50 WTF!! i7 6600k & i5 6700k
9:08
i5 6700k
=D
Candi Soda 8 cores, 4 threads
I found it strange, but then I realized the error lol
this guy has a timestamp for when the real benchmarking starts
you are a hero Paul
5:56 i7 6600k? i5 6700k? dude check ur shit.
Thanks Paul for clocking them at the same speed.
5:05 is wrong (you got the processor names wrong)
thank you for this comment, i was looking for it
:)
Sheena1234ization Literally everyone does this, even the major MoBo manufacturers, I don't understand why it's soo hard for people to keep it straight? No offense intended.
Thanks for the clocks to clocks comparison Paul! That's exactly what I wanted to see
I would buy a i7 6700(k) anyways simply because it's not worth spending extra cash on a chip that performs about 10% or less than it's original part. It only costs $280/$300 at Microcenter and if you read this Intel, just slash the prices for Ryzen please!
i really like how you overclocked all of the chips to 4.6. it really helped illustrate what the true performance of each chip is.
much wow, such innovation ...
Paul. I thought the fan or something was making an annoying clicking noise through the video. Then I realised its a really quiet music track. Everything awesome apart from that
try overclocking the 7700k or the 7600k to 5GHz
Jacky Bro and what he would get with that?? higher temperature and higher power consumption
Dimitry Gromozdin the 7700k can be the first 5GHz processor dissipated by an air ir water cooler
Dimitry Gromozdin I hope
Dimitry Gromozdin bruh
Jacky Bro it can easily with the stock cooler. jayztwocents did a video on it yesterday
I never noticed it before, but now I can hear you tapping the keyboard with your feet to control the teleprompter. xD Love the videos! Keep up the awesome work!
I'd love to see how the new overclockable i3 does.
yea but the 7350k is supposed to be like 170 and the 7600k is 240, an overclocked i3 will beat a stock i5
Do you really think that an i3 even overclocked will continue to beat an i5 with games continuing a trend of better using more cores? It already costs nearly as much as an i5 and you still need a heatsink and to spend more on an overclockable motherboard, really just save the money on the z series chipset and the cooler and put that $100 or so into a better gpu or ssd or more case fans or buy some steam games, there are better ways
Cooper Cummings
But what do you say to the pentium g3258 then?
Even the super cheap i3-6100 which i own almost competes with the i5 6400 at 2/3rds of the price.
Paul, the thumbscrew on the right of your intro is a left handed thread, I will never unsee this...
i5 6700k snd i7 6600k in your graphs.
Thank you for being one of the few that equalized the clock speeds. IPC seems to have no gains. Within margin of error, anyways.
I hope noone buys these... sick of Intel's shit now lol. Almost insignificant improvement from 4th gen.
yea my 4790k is just fine lol. what is even the difference between kaby lake and skylake anyways?
clock speed and the integrated graphics is the only difference
Yeah and higher voltage? Almost feels like a factory OC.
I totally agree !!! It is just a overclocked version of i7 6700K !!! You can see the temperature is so high at 80c !!! 100% scam people !!! No sell point to buy i7 7700K !!!
@name 187 The point if there's marginal improvement from over the years and that amd's new horizon shows game changing benchmarks (pun kinda intended) it's time for amd to take over the throne
I hope Zen benchmarks and comparisons will be much more interesting. Awesome video Paul! Unfortunately, Intel doesn't seem to be making any changes this year.
Nah, still won't upgrade my i5 ivy bridge.
Had one of those too, ryzen or coffee finally worth the upgrade.
Everything in between was not worth it, at all.
Thank you soooo much, I picked up on what you said about under volting your 7700k. I was getting 70+ degrees at stock clock speeds on games like bf1 and gta on my 7700k with a hyper 212 evo and I had no clue why. I under volted and now I get 60-65 degrees.
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Maybe when Intel Cookie Lake comes out, we will see a standardized core count improvement. Lord knows with Intel"s naming scheme.... cracks me up. If i'm not mistaken, intel said they were more focused on power efficiency over performance, results show not much. As desktop processors, I dont think enthusiasts care too much about power draw. Especially with the unlocked chips. Is kably lake a FLOP? probably...
Is this good For AMD to play catch up? I sure hope so!
Still rocking devils canyon on a older Z87 motherboard. Nothing seems to really blow my hair back in the last two generations. Obi wan kenobi... I mean.. AMD your our only hope...
I did this to piss people of LOL, thanks Paul huge fan !
Great Video Paul!
Non biased reviews are what makes youtube a great tool for us consumers! So far I don't regret building a I5 6600k system on black friday :) And even if I decided down the road that I "must have" Kabylake, It'l drop right into my current mobo!
and és 480 xfx gtr edition 8gb for 1080p worth if?
SjanST Official yes
SjanST Official Definitely worth it. You could deal to go with the 4gb at 1080p but 8gb is safe too
I do 4K without
SjanST Official worth it
+1 thing will it live for at least 3-4 years. (even if I have to play on minimum settings) also consider that I will give it some heavy OpenCL loads for long peroids of time (7-8 hours a day around 200days/year).
It still remains to see a showdown in overclockability over the same cooling solution using the different chips, and then do benchmarks with the max overclock of all chips (keeping in mind the silicon lottery of course).
Jay reported an "easy" overclock of 5 GHz on the 7700k using regular AIO watercooling with 1.325V running 75C during load (the sweetspot), so there's your advantage over Skylake.
I'm sure we'll see people reaching 5.1 or 5.2 GHz with some extra effort in the near future, at least with custom loops.
Meh! I will stick with my i7-6700k.
+Paul's Hardware It's called MCE or Multi Core Enhancement and most modern motherboards have it enabled by default (it was a toggle option is older motherboards) that allows all cores to hit their turbo clocks simultaneously.
I just wanna see these vs zen
@ 4:45 and on, you have the 6600K marked as a I7 and the 6700K marked as the I5. Good review really like it.
OHH Boy cant wait to not upgrade my 6700k
The higher clocks and voltages were definitely because of some feature on the mobo.
Woha... 80ºC in 7700K with 21ºC ambient? ... that CPU should boil water in my 34ºC summer room. And i though my 5820K was hot.
f4z0 dang your right must be that high stock vcore. maybe it's Intel's plan to have stock 1.4+v so chips dont last for ever
Hey I just finished a Skylake build. Rather glad I didn't wait for Kaby. Cya! And thanks for the informative vid!
The 6600k in the thumbnail looks so beat up
damn how cool would a star wars themed benchmark be... like all the space battles and light saber fights
Intel is slowly truning into apple.....
Still rocking the 3700k. Maybe upgrading to Kaby Lake will be a good idea finally.
Waiting for Ryzen
That boost clock behaviour is normal for Skylake and > processors. You need to set per-core count multipliers in the BIOS to see clock speeds drop below max with all cores utilised.
So basically no point in upgrading. I guess I'll just wait and see how much that new Ryzen CPU will cost.
So it's just as I thought I'm better off getting Skylake's i7 6700K on the Z170 platform rather than the Z270 platform for when it comes to overclocking. Thanks Paul for doing a good job of testing it out.
AMD! Please! Return! Break this situation when there are no innovations on the CPU market!
Very nice bench marking review, ive been looking for one where the cpus are put at the same clocks to see what the difference is, and it doesnt appear that there is any difference. Wish more youtubers did their benchmarks like this.
when theres no competition theres no need for intel to push the boundaries
I went in to Kaby Lake expecting to see a similar situation to the Hazwel refresh 4790k/4690k vs 4770k. This even underperforms that expectation. It would not surprise me if the only architectural change in these cpus was the hardware support for HDCP 2.2. How is this a "New" architecture? This just seems to be Skylake with better yields after a year in production (even that is in question because of the high core voltages they run at out of the box). It is BS that Intel can get away with calling Kaby Lake a new architecture just because it sounds better in marketing than a refresh would.
not worth the money to upgrade, save it and buy the 6700k.
Paul great vidio and I too cant wait for Ryzen
Good test.
Intel, ha ha ha ha!
So that means unless I really want the new mobo features, there's really no reason for me to switch from my 6700k to the 7700k? Hmm.. I was really hoping for more of a reason to buy one. This is giving me food for thought. Thanks for the work you did with this video, Paul. Much appreciated.
LOOOL literally just a higher clock speed 😂😂😂
for most of the benchmarks after @4:45 u messed up u misplaced "i7-6600k and i5-6700k" it is i7-6700k and i5-6600k
lol the i7 6600k suppose to be i5 hahahah xd
its so crazy.. seems like everyquestion or thought that i have you have a video that provides the answer! thanks so much!
Ryzen can't get here fast enough.
Nick Gregory it still couldn't compete.....
@@riverest. It competed, and 4 years later, it's doing more than competing.
Yes, but the 7700k can overclock to 4.6GHz with a mere 212 evo cooler (and can actually overclock to 4.7GHz with such a cooler as well). The other processors would need a more expensive air cooler or water cooling for that. Also with water cooling 7700k can reach the promised land of milk and honey of 5GHz.
Lmao glad I stuck with my 6700k
Yeah the talk about Phase Change memory has been off and on since the 60s. As of now it's just rumors, we still haven't quite reached affordable and production cost effective ram in the terabyte range. And anything that is has a high frequency but low timings.
I still have the first generation I7 920, i bought it back in 2010 and still going strong.
I will probably upgrade in late 2017 when cannon-lake comes out
No one cares... Ryzen is coming.
6600K is a beast, glad I bought it.
It will be interesting to see Kaby Lake's overclockability after more time has passed. Maybe if you lost out really badly on the silicon lottery for the 6700k you could have more success with Kaby Lake. Jay and Gamer's Nexus both got their samples to 5.0 GHz seemingly without difficulty. Personally I'm hoping for a hex core or octa core with Skylake IPC performance.
It would have been interesting to look at the processor temperatures and voltage draws when they were all clocked at the same frequency. This would have given a decent indication of the upper level of it's overclocking capability and whether or not Kabylake really offers any advantage.
Thanks man, helps me a lot. I am going for 6600k for gaming, now are kind of cheap in my country.
Great video. Also noticed you added a milk straw effect to your audio.
Maximus IX Hero on the shelf, I'm still waiting for it to be released :)
Love your channel and the in-depth info, Paul. Keep up the great work!
I really wish people would start using arma 3 in benchmarks, especially cpu's. i mean i get 100 fps on gta v and bearly manage 60fps on arma 3. And gta v graphics are cranked up much higher than arma as well
I was silly and got a 6600k and will upgrade to 6700k for editing purposes. Looking for a 10nm 6 core with hyperthreading to come along. maybe a 7850? at around $575?
Good job on the review and benchmarks. It seems, again, a small performance increase.. Nothing hearth shattering..
Great video... Do you have the benchmark for the igpu in these too?
I was expecting those number Paul. At least you confirm that i can use my 6700K on the z270 boards
If I am building a rig should I just go with Kaby since it is the most up to date since they seem to be about the same price?
can you do a video on when and why you should upgrade your PC for gaming only, and how many GPU/CPU gens you suggest you can skip before a upgrade is in deed need?
One of my Gentle Typhoons I use on my H100i radiator burned out the other day, I couldn't get a new set since they're practically discontinued so I ended up getting some Corsair ML120 which I'm actually enjoying right now because I can actually control the rpm with Corsair Link.
I'm VERY happy with my 6600k clocked @4.3 solid.
I'm glad I watched this video, I was thinking about upgrading from the 6700K to the 7700K but based on the benchmark results it isn't really worth the 10% gain.
Starting at @4:45 the labels for the i5-6600K and the i7-6700K got messed up. You're listing the 6600K as an i7 and the 6700K as an i5.
5:23 I think you made a typo... the third bar was labelled i7 6600k and the fourth was labelled i5- 6700k...