The Canceled James Cameron Spider-Man Movie: The Amazing Spider-Man - Canned Goods
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- In 1990, Spider-Man found its movie rights at Carolco Pictures, and soon found itself in the hands of James Cameron, fresh off of Terminator 2. Cameron’s take on Spidey was set to be a dark and gritty retelling of his origin, with him fighting Electro and The Sandman as his first villains. Casting rumors swirled that tied Leonardo DiCaprio and Arnold Schwarzenegger to the project, though the project never actually got far enough to cast anybody. The movie was cancelled by a perfect storm of relatively minor issues which all compounded at the worst possible time.
Though, some elements of this scriptment eventually found their way into 2002’s Spider-Man, most famously, Peter Parker’s organic web shooters.
So today, we'll walk through the development, plot and cancellation of James Cameron’s The Amazing Spider-Man.
Enjoy!
00:00 Intro
00:34 James Cameron’s Spider-Man Development
03:38 James Cameron’s Spider-Man Plot Breakdown
17:54 Why Did James Cameron’s Spider-Man Get Cancelled?
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Also can you do king kong vs frankenstein cancelled lost film in the next canned goods video as well
Half of it was in Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies
It wasn’t exactly cancelled. Nobody cancels anything he’s thinking about. It just become Sam raimi’s
It's crazy how much of this ultimately ended up being used in Raimi's Spidey and Webb's Spidey.
Right down to the movie being titled "The Amazing Spider-Man"
And the organic web shooters!
@@HemmasStudios_ Even beyond that: MJ as the first love interest who dated Flash in SM1, the tattoo being on Ben's killer in TASM1, Strand wanting to work with Spidey like Goblin did in SM1, etc.
Bonkers!
@@brandonspain12345 lol yeah
@@HemmasStudios_ hey do the original version of dragon ball evolution script pls
“… He and his sheets are covered in a sticky white substance.”
HUH!?
“He notices that it’s coming from his wrists.”
Phew…
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The scriptment is VERY sexually charged. One of the first things you learn about Peter is that he’s a virgin, which ultimately has no bearing on the plot. I get it- the powers are supposed to represent puberty, but it’s super gratuitous in this.
😂
I heard that R Lee Ermey was meant to be J Jonah Jameson in one of these unproduced Spider-Man films. And I have to say, while I like JK Simmons, I never though of Ermey. But then I remember Full Metal Jacket, and I thought, "Yeah, he'd work."....
I remember that too.
Wrong. Thats Not and Never was True...Sorry.
JK Simmons IS J. Jonah Jameson
Awful
@@normanmccultureboy6492 Srs Simmons is J Jonah Jameson
No one is talking about how James Cameron was the first one to come up with the idea of natural webbing for Peter. At least film wise.
Idk why he doesn’t have natural webbing makes no sense 😂
@@nowlan2 web shooters are a great little toy.
@@KunyeeYT shows Peter's intelligence as well
@@nowlan2 The question is, where is the webbing stored?
@@nowlan2 for real. But I heard it was because Stan Lee wanted to show how smart Peter Parker really was, so he developed web shooters. So instead of natural webbing, he would use his brains to create Webs. Which is still kinda off but idk
I actually think James Cameron would’ve made a very interesting Spider-Man film but I guess it’s a good thing it never happened because we would’ve most likely never had gotten the Raimi series. Crazy how timing can change everything
mybe back tghen but not now he wodo ruin it look what did to dark fate he ruin the movie
@@ssjgotenks2009 he didn't make that one he produced it, he's more centered around the Avatar sequel right now or has been for the longest time
its not interesting at all the closest we get to a dark part of peter parker was in nwh
@@ssjgotenks2009
He didn't direct that movie. and he had disagreements with the guy who did!
@@ssjgotenks2009 You must be the guy who think Steven Spielberg ruined Transformers.
“With great powaaa comes great responsibiliteh aeughh!” -Arnold Schwarzenegger
Helloo Peetaaah
He was meant to be doctor octopus ??
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I can’t
@@carlfjnon 😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Da powa of da Sun, in da pulm of mah hand, DAUGGGHHHHHHHHH"
I remember seeing the Spider-Man costume meant for this movie and liking it. It felt very old school.
As for the actual script, I think it would be been good. Peter was a morally conflicted character, and was often a jackass. Very accurate and realistic.
I didn't like the Electro/ Kingpin hybrid. Thought that was odd.
Where did you see it? I don’t think they ever got to make a costume for the movie
m.th-cam.com/video/GxvIMKNryEQ/w-d-xo.html
This is a video that contains storyboards of the movie. The costume shows up there a lot. Also, if you look up “James Cameron Spider-Man” there’s posters that have the costume.
It was never made, but that was the general idea for the costume.
@@averagejoe2402 That was actually a fan made storyboards by artist Daniele Tomasi in 2001. Way after the movie's development. He assumed it would look like the 70s series costume. The video's thumbnail was the real concept art as seen in James Cameron's recent Tech Noir book. There's even a concept art of him in the black suit (21:36) and he said in his book he wanted the symbiote saga to be in a possible sequel and said he was a huge fan of Venom.
Fun fact: This treatment is the reason the Sandman wasn't in Spider-Man: The Animated Series.
Peter: I’m gonna put some Titanic in your eye
Doc Ock: The powa of da Chopper, in a palm of my hand.
Crazy to think Tobey’s best friend almost got the role before him, everything would’ve changed
It probably would have had such far reaching repercussions that we wouldn’t even be able to consider.
@@HemmasStudios_ superhero films would not be a thing and 911 would have destroyed Hollywood and entertainment. Thank Stan Lee, Sam Raimi, Tobey, and Danny Elfman for reviving hope in humanity with Spider-Man just seven months later! Spiderman saved movie theaters and America in its hopeful and campy awesomeness and optimism!
@@HemmasStudios_ by the way, people, CAMPY IS NOT GARBAGE.... CAMPY IS AWESOME AND NORMAL!!!!!!!!!! LIGHTHEARTEDNESS IS HUMAN! BE HAPPY AND LAUGH AND ENJOY THE LIGHTHEARTEDNESS OF SAM RAIMIS SPIDER-MAN AND DONNERS SUPERMAN AND JOEL SCHUMACHERS BATMAN AND ROBIN (even if it is also dark, imo it's fun but dark and epic and colorful and emotional and strange and awesome and yeahs) (YEAH I SAID IT)!!
I didn’t expect to think that if you cut out the Peter being a creep, this is a pretty interesting sounding story. The pacing would definitely fascinate me, it sound like a lot for one origing film but honestly it sounds cool! However, Raimi and Webb are fiiine with me!!!
I guess I'm not much put off by the creepy protag trope as you because I grew up with it and consider it normal. How many protagonists have we seen since before the mid-2000s that liked to spy on women? Even kids shows like Danny Phantom and Naruto had it.
@@reversalmushroom I mean I grew up around it too, Spiderman 1 does it for a second funny enough, doesn’t make it any less dated though. If something feels dated, it just does.
I feel it actually makes sense with Peter being a nerd who's rejected and bullied at school. This type of person irl would probably get a little obsessed if they develop a crush on someone as pretty as MJ to the point of stalking her sometimes.
IMO this movie could've been good but with the Raimi trilogy existing it's just a cool what-if for another timeline.
It's for realism, guys creeping on girls seems pretty realistic, a nerdy guy with powers, yeah I expect this 100%.
Funny to think that if DeCaprio had become Spider-Man, his close friend Tobey would’ve stayed an unknown
Dunno about unknown, his role in the cider house rules probably would of seen him still get alot of high profile roles in the 2000s.
Dicaprio was the one that actually recommended Tobey for the role
How trippy would it be to live in a world with an R rated 90s Spider-Man movie movie directed by the dude fresh of terminator 2?
Part of me really wishes this film happened but mainly for the dark weirdness, but we still got that with Raimi's near perfect take. Plus some of his scenes had the darkness, grit, and weirdness in spades, like Spiderman defending MJ from attackers in a dark alley, the final punch up between Peter and Norman, Otto's arms coming to life and killing yhe surgeons trying to save him, or Spidey's brutal take down of Sandman in the subway.
Call me crazy, but I think an angsty version Spider-Man that’s slightly more violent towards criminals could make sense, if executed properly. Think about it, Peter Parker was bullied a lot in high school by people like Flash Thompson. Maybe Cameron’s film could’ve explored how the bullying would rub off on Peter in a negative way that also affects how he operates as Spider-Man
The ultimate story line is this. They made a game for it and a show that is loosely based on the comics but the comic run was really good and the origin of miles morales.
He was never really bullied in way we think of it, basically everyone who trash talked him tried repeatedly to invite him out to do stuff, and he always said no, and was kinda rude about it, dude was friendless mostly by choice, and a touch of autism
This definitely feels like an early draft, it would've been great to have seen a polished final version with the same care that Terminator and Alien had.
But I'm still happy we have the Raimi films.
Yeah. This sounds like it needs a lot of polish. Interesting enough starting place, but needs polish.
“… He and his sheets are covered in a sticky white substance.”
We've all been there, Pete. We've all been there.
Am I the only one who thinks that young Leo would’ve been an great casting choice for an Ultimate Spider-Man movie?
I totally agree
He’s the spitting image of Ultimate Spidey in some pictures
He has blonde hair so nah
It would have been amazing
Agreed
The spidey before the ultimate comics exist
I often wonder if this somehow had any sort of influence on Ultimate Spider-Man
They almost had to name 'the amazing spiderman' to 'the spectacular spiderman' to not get confused
I remember as an 80s kid all the hype for a spiderman movie. Surprise surprise it all came down to money and ego's that this didn't get made.
Supposedly Electro and Sandman couldn't be used in the 90s animated series because of this movie. So it's it's kind of a shame to hear how lame their back stories and characterizations in this script were. I'm glad this never got made lol.
Electro was eventually used as Red Skull's son and Sandman was about to be introduced in the cancelled season.
@@Facade953 yeah but that was last minute in the final season after the movie was cancelled
That’s crazy to learn all of this. To think we could’ve had an entire different Spider-Man with Leo. Not even to mention the fact with the plot, sounds very 90’s and probably no studio would agree to make it this day. Really glad Tobey got to play the part and Sam for directing. Otherwise we probably wouldn’t see Tobey and Andrew along with Tom in no way home!
I totally agree with you. If Leo was Spidey, it would have had a butterfly effect of if and when the series would have gotten rebooted and the popularity of superhero movies in general. Crazy to think about
Spoiler alert 😒
I think if that film was created Spider-Man reputation was no longer now
This movie sounds so strange and confusing! I’m honestly glad it wasn’t made because I cannot see leo dicaprio as a mean, gritty Peter Parker. I’m so happy we got Sam Raimi’s trilogy!
Somebody else would have taken the role.
20th Century Fox: No James, we don't want the rights. Spider-Man is finished after this Bankruptcy deal
(Eight Spider-Man, and two Venom, Movies and a small country's worth of money in Sony and Disney's pockets later)
20th Century Fox (as it's annexed into Disney's empire): D'OH!!!!
(as it’s annexed into Disney’s empire): D’OH!!!!
That Was Only For The X-Men/Fantastic 4
Has anyone heard how Cameron came on board Spider-Man? First he was going to produce and possibly write an X-Men movie directed by his then wife, Kathryn Bigalow. He met with Marvel. Everything was going great, and all parties were excited about making the movie. Then Stan Lee said, you know what'd be great, a Spider-Man movie. Cameron then started gushing like a fanboy with Stan about this, and the X Men movie was never discussed again.
Between the consistencies in the Raimi version and the original 2001 trailer - there is no doubt that they originally set out to make this version and then the studio made the drastic changes.
And…Arnold immediately felt like a sandman to me.
Fun fact: the studio was originally going to use an expanded version of this story for the movie, but at some point it changed.
It would be fun to see a multiverse Leo Spidey cameo like a old version of Spider-Man in spider verse cross over. Kind of like how Matt Daimon played Loki for a minute in Thor.
Beyond The Spider-Verse Maybe?
Fun fact because of this movie we never got Sandman in Spider-Man the animated series and Electro didn't appear until the final season
Di Caprio as Peter would probably have been iconic
That sounds mental. Proof that stories often need the be filtered through a few people to get rid of the most insane or terrible ideas.
I heard James Cameron's Spiderman a lot of times but it's good to hear your take on it plus I would love Leonardo DiCaprio as Spiderman
Thank you so much!
Somewhere in our multiverse this movie was made and it’s a classic
To be honest, this is basically Raimi's Spiderman just with a different villain
I really like the draft plot, but I think it is best to cut out the *“kiss” mating from the bridge* scene.
_I mean, they are high schoolers and it wouldn’t aged well if it exists today._
Imagine a young Leonardo DiCaprio as the Ultimate Spider-Man ? since the ultimate spider-man was skinny & looked so much younger in the comics and also Leonardo also had that ultimate Spider-Man Peter Parker hairstyle too back than when he younger honestly that would’ve been perfect right there
He definitely has the look of Ultimate Peter
You should definitely talk about the cancelled Incredible Hulk movie from the mid 90’s, where it was in development hell until Ang Lee took head of directing and made Hulk in 2003, making the movie be very different then to what it was in the 90’s. One script I have a copy from 2000 is still retains most of the storyline from the 90’s movie, and it’s pretty strange.
I can definitely look into it!
Can't be stranger than the 2003 movie tbh.
Whenever I think of James Cameron that one South Park episode with the "oh oh oh James Camerooon" song plays in my head when he was lowering himself into the ocean trying to raise the bar or check how low the bar has lowered I forget.
Imagine peter parker saying “say hello to my little friend” and webbing up a criminal
No cap, this is pretty good. We need a "Stories of Spider-Man" series where they tell interesting and compelling variations of Spider-man, including this
The rights to spider-man have ALWAYS been such a huge dilemma.
Jason Voorhees: Hold my machete.
Honestly, 86-Electro and Sandman and keep Arnold Schwarzenegger as Doc Ock and the rest of the cast - this could’ve been a KICK-ASS movie!
I actually like this story better than amazing 1 and homecoming. Especially the part about Spiderman going on tv shows to earn money. That’s directly ripped from the og comics. And lot of the motives of the characters make sense to me.
Like mj/teenager seeking love to escape real world problems, peter acting selfish and being emotionally driven (that’s also exactly how he is in the first issue).
It’s actually more believable for me for Spiderman to be not the first of his kind and those with these gifts are already in power behind the scenes quietly seeking others like them.
Electro using negative media/smear campaign by bribing jj to turn Spiderman into a vigilante is a really nice tie in.
It is kinda strange that he uses Electro and Sandman but he changes their names?
It’s definitely a strange choice, the only explanation I could think of was so that the reveal of their powers would be a surprise. But still- trailers would have given that fact away…
@@HemmasStudios_ right and especially not wearing there iconic costumes as well
I don't like it either they should have stuck to the characters original comic book accurate names Electro being Max Dillon and Sandman being Flint Marko
for people who prefer dark and gritty storylines, this movie is for them, however, the way it's displayed in the script personally doesn't make it appealing to me, i can't root for this Peter, the villain choices are kinda wack for this type of story and the undertones kinda put me off overall
This is said so eloquently. I love it. The fact that it’s dark isn’t inherently bad. The way it’s portrayed and fleshed out is what puts me off from it, as well.
This Peter is the most realistic though
Arnold Schwarzenegger as Sand Man would have been the perfect casting.
I actually own an original copy of the “scriptment” complete with emails from Columbia Tristar. I have always just referred to it as “The Cameron Treatment”. You did a great job summing up the the treatment and history of it. I learned a lot about it’s origin from your video! Thank you very much for helping me piece this all together!
You are very welcome!
And then James Cameron was one of the first directors to be approached for directing the first amazing Spider-Man film
Not going to lie, seeing Terminator 2 I would have been very interested in how Cameron handled Sandman with a whole decade of VFX progress from the 80s
I remember reading a "supposed" Cameron script before the first Raimi movie came out. The only thing I remember about it was that Doc Ock said "Okey Dokey" a lot... it was kind of distracting, actually.
That script is the one that Cameron slapped his name on that he was never going to use!
W-was it supposed to be OCKY DOCKY :D
Its crazy to think that if this movie was made, it wouldve changed the history of cinema in the 2000s and beyond.
This movie being made would have definitely had a MASSIVE butterfly effect. Superhero movies and the way they’re made likely would be totally foreign. It’s definitely an interesting thought.
Honestly, a lot of moments are similar to what we got in Raimi's film.
Imagine Arnold as venom he looks like the 1994 Spider-Man Eddie Brock and is already built
They could never bring his vision to life only aspects of it … no better time then now would I love to see his vision on Spider-Man
Peter being an asshole and kinda creepy is actually pretty accurate to the original comics.
Oh, yeah, for sure. But by the same token, I personally feel like the original comics do a lot of work to also make Peter somebody you could root for. I don’t think this story gets you there, but if Cameron got to make it, maybe he would have gotten us to root for him.
yeah accurate from comics is bad, look at tom holland, too much accurate ends up being ironboy and dumb spidey which is the worst spiderman ever made
It would be cool to see this script to get adapted into a graphic novel, or as a mini series of comics. Kind of how DC has done comics based on the 60s 70s Batman and wonder woman shows, the Chris reeves Superman and Burton Batman movies. So with that idea marvel could adapt it into a comic
DC has always been great about doing that, I’ve always wondered why Marvel never did something similar.
@@HemmasStudios_ my only real guess is whatever studios owns the rights to the scripts. That's probably the only reason. But who knows
I would’ve loved to see this interpretation of Spider-Man. With a bit of ironing out in the script and story department, I could’ve seen it becoming a truly great superhero movie. I mean hey, with all the factory-produced superhero movies we’re getting now from Marvel and DC, it’s time we get different interpretations of our favorite beloved characters.
Damn,anorld playing doc oc is something I didn’t know i want
It’s so interesting that Cameron almost fell into the same trappings that dozens of directors have fallen into since with superhero films. An obsession with “gritty realism” just doesn’t work for a character like spider-man. Period. He’s a dude who climbs up walls in a bright red suit, and won’t stop making jokes.
To be fair, it was the edgy as fuck 90s. Every story was going grimdark since Miller's Dark Knight and the like.
There are tons of gritty spiderman stories from the comics.
What a load of garbage. There are plenty of gritty and dark Spiderman stories
The goal with a character with Spider-Man is to make it emotionally realistic. Spider-Man stories are character driven and it wouldn’t work if the characters weren’t authentic seeming people.
I’ve always wanted to see a bright Spider-Man in a dark world. I’m currently writing a Spider-Man series set in the 90’s with grunge/alternative rock as a backdrop. The world is dark and gritty, but Peter Parker/Spider-Man is the beacon of light and hope.
I can definite see the MCU take these story ideas for the next 3 Spider-Man films after No Way Home, except maybe with Villains like Kingpin, Tombsome, Mr Negative, and Hammerhead, with a bit of an Enforcers storyline and with Felicia Hardy/Black Cat being a new love interest for Peter.
I would love to see Black Cat become a major player in these movies
He was the one who came up with the idea of organic webs since peter was too young to develope such a complex scientific device & artificial webbing.
Nope I have see kids nowadays made a cool test device
You should do a video on Dan Ackroyd's original script for Ghostbusters where they were more like a time traveling, dimension hopping SWAT like team in the future.
Wait- WHAT? This sounds DOPE.
Imagine Schwarzenegger as Hammerhead.
I would have love to have seen John Hughes direct a Spiderman film
I honestly really liked Cameron's treatment, and it's better than what people say. I didn't mind the darker tone because that's what was popular in the early 90s after the success of Batman 89. (Despite Batman Returns and TMNT 1990 effecting darker adaptations from happening.) I also liked the more aggressive Peter because that's the kind of kid that would act like that being bullied. I also prefer this Electro over the comic where he's basically Donald Trump with powers. (Come to think, this cartoony villain wouldn't be so cartoonish nowadays.) The suit's description sounded directly from the comics and even the large triangle lenses sounded McFarlane. And Camsron understood Peter's consequences and his responsibilities he has to learn. The downsides are some of the humors Is VERY 90s and really structure of the plot too. Also, M.J.'s character was really bitchy at first but thankfully she grew on me near the end. David Koepp wanted to use Cameron's story for the 2002 movie back in 1999 before using Goblin and Doc Ock and he even made a full script of Cameron's you can read on his website. Another thing is that because this would in the 90s, many things would be real on camera, a actual set, a real man swinging screws the city via helicopter, and Leonardo DeCaprio would actually wear a real suit on set that isn't covered in CG. And most of the effects I bet would look amazing with Sandamn, Electro's powers and Spider-Man's swinging shots. While I still love the Raimi trilogy better, It could've been fascinating to see this. If you're a fan of the TASM film, you're more likely to like this scriptment than if you're fan of Raimi's with the darker tone and more rebellious Peter. But Spidey is still here and there's still good highlights in there as well.
James Cameron would have definitely went full on with the CG though. He's pretty well known for that. Honestly, I think this would have turned out awful but in a good way, I for one would have liked to see it just for the experience of those bizarre sounding subplots.
I can't count how many times I've read the treatment, half of it is actually decent, the other half is dull, weird and just plain stupid. Still this concept should be made as a fan film imo.
A dark Spider-Man story that I enjoyed was the old Spider-Man manga from the 70s in that one he accidentally kills his first super villain because he mistakenly went full force with one of his punches which is what causes him to be more responsible with his powers
warning some pages / chapters are missing some pages aren't even translated but overall it is a decent read
TMNT 1990 was a pretty dark film for tmnt but the second and third movie, uh..
@@iyear. Really? I thought that the tone was fairly balanced. Other than the Shredder mentioning he murdered Splinter's Sensei out of jealousy, but that was pretty much it.
The second one had Vanilla Ice and Super Shredder, so it was a 10/10 win for me.
@@Gideon13397 The first one was pretty dark for it's time the others that came after weren't so much, in the second one the turtles didn't even use their weapons
This is actually quite interesting. Somebody should make this into a One-shot or Graphic Novel, or straight to DVD animated DCAU style
imagine if this version of spider-man came in no way home
I believe this version of Spider-Man/Peter Parker is comic accurate af to his 1st appearance. Peter was very petty, angsty, and used his powers for personal reasons. It's pretty realistic to how a low income teenager, whose felt week for a long time would act. It's pretty standard story as well, which I don't mind considering the script was written in the 80s/90s. MJ's character was pretty basic tho
Another amazing plot breakdown, keep it up.
Thank you so much for the kind words!
I’m glad we didn’t get this R rated Spider Man film, because if we did, then one of the greatest Superheroe movie trilogy would’ve never happened. And we kind of got that style with Spider-Man Noir.Can you please do an episode on The Amazing Spider Man 3?
Okay. I'm just gonna say it...
This movie was NOT supposed to be rated R!!!! I am sick in tired of all these articles/vids saying it. All because it has ONE F-bomb? There so many PG-13 movies that had at least one in there. The sex scene on the bridge never went too graphic or any nudity in the scriptment. By that logic, Howard the Duck should be rated R because there was a sex scene in there. That was how 90s movies were made at at time. Even if everything was filmed, James Cameron would've had to take scenes like that out since this would out by a time when superhero movies were being geared towards children and a time when the 1994 Spider-Man series was just out. (The show couldn't have anyone say "kill" or "die" and guns had to have Lazer sounds) so can you imagine the amount of censored ship they would've used. Hell, Batman Returns's original script had R rated material taken out, like a scene with children being taken away and murdered by Penguin's circus gang, or the Penguin giving Catwoman a umbrella with a dildo in it. (Geuss what was left in the movie?)
I’m sure we’ll cover Amazing 3 at some point :D
@@brandonspain12345 how close mind you are the movie was a r rating because it would also show a graphic violent
@@HemmasStudios_ please i want to see a Cancelled Sinister Six Movie
@@brandonspain12345 do you know violence can cause a rated r
It would had been great. I don’t know if Tobey would had been so loved as he is now because technically he’s the original Spider-Man for us. Plus, I won’t believe Tobey would had been Spider-Man at all.
This one doesn’t sounds terrible just doesn’t sound like Spider-Man in the beginning. It’s like I don’t know I feel like even tho Rami was not a Spider-Man fan when he made the film it felt like Spider-Man this one sounds like a anti hero lol
This is genuinely an interesting story ngl I would like to this script as a movie
Of course a little more smoother on the edges
Do videos on the previous cancelled spiderman films like canon picture's many unused drafts etc
The Cannon Spider-Man saga is definitely going to get covered on this channel at some point.
@@HemmasStudios_ why would the creator of tcm work on this movie
As someone who hopes to write novels someday, it comforts me greatly to know that the same man who wrote Titanic also wrote "Their mouths very slowly and very sensually devour each other"
This is one of the best comments I've seen in a long time
+Wesley Patterson INDEED. Call me crazy but I kind of don’t mind the love scene in this script.
I mean I wouldn't mind a darker Spider-man first film, like I expect him to lighten up and crack jokes later on though because Spidey just isn't that much of a dark hero, maybe if you decide to step into alternative universes where you find Spider-men like Assassin Spider-man. But overall it's good for a first movie of Spidey trying to find himself and tbh, if you gave a teen superpowers they definitely would do what he did in this movie.
Peter basically using his power as Spider-Man to non-consensually bang MJ is super messed up though, I feel like if they cut that from the script and released it as is this would've been one of those obscure Spider-Man movies like the Japanese one.
I would've had faith with James. I mean he had titanic, terminator, alien under his belt. I see Raimi's films as perfect as spiderman can get, im happy with what we got, for the best. But this script gets written off too quickly by sensitive surface skimmers. Yea you're not wrong in thinking Peter's a bit creepy but its on paper. Terminator on paper wasn't supposed to work lol and it should be obvious that it was an earlyish script. Like I said I can't imagine anyone else doing such a good job as Sam did but James Cameron doing an actual marvel superhero movie is definitely intriguing.
First of all, bro, you are above and beyond with community comment interaction and support. Wow, props!
I retract my negetive comment on tasm, I however praise and thank you for your work! Great information, great presentation
Thank you for the kind words!
I try to interact with every comment, even the ones I don’t agree with (as long as nobody is being intentionally mean, of course). I want everybody to feel heard and feel like they have a voice here.
Would be crazy if they throw Dicaprio as a Spiderman variant in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness
For sure! As long as it fit the story of Multiverse of Madness, I’d love to see that
"The multiverse is a concept about which we know frighteningly little"
This channel is amazing, its now my favorite TH-cam channel, I love the plot breakdowns, any chance you could one on the rejected sequels to the power rangers 2017?
Thank you so much! As for Power Rangers, I can definitely look into it!
There was a lot of good and a lot of bad in this script. It would be nice to see a meaner Spider-Man in live action, considering he wasn't always a nice guy. The cynicism of the script was perfect though, that's what Spider-Man is at heart.
I definitely think it would have been an interesting take, and I do agree with there being a ton of good in this script. But I ultimately think that starting Peter off this mean makes it harder for you to root for him.
Not to that degree, at least to me.
I agree completely. It's bizarre that people want to make Spider-Man as morally pure as Superman to me. He was an immature, attention-seeking, cynical incel that lashed out at criminals because he was getting bullied and became friends with the notorious show-off Johnny Storm. They made a car together even though neither of them needed one.
Watching him always improving but never quite becoming a full-on hero was the whole draw to his early run; you didn't root for him, you wanted to see the responsibilities he had to shoulder slowly turn him into a better person.
@@HemmasStudios_ You weren't supposed to root for Spider-Man. You were supposed to be invested in seeing this sorry jerkass rise up to the occasion and become a better person.
@@AbandonedVoid I don’t think that’s entirely true. While Peter did struggle a lot and wasn’t as altruistic at first, he was written to be more relatable than other heroes. He deals with real world problems and acts like most at the time would. He isn’t perfect cause people aren’t, and those imperfections and struggles are what attached to so many people. I think the closest we got to a Peter like this is actually Andrew Garfield’s. Until he saves the family on the bridge, he’s immature, selfish, and angry at the world, similar to his run.
I’m currently working on a Spider-Man series of my own, and surprisingly, this scriptment (along with the Ultimate comics) are big influences. It’s not a direct rip but the series is set in the 90’s with grunge/alternative rock as the score and backdrop.
Peter uses music (namely Soundgarden) to cope with his situation and the world is really dark and gritty, however Peter is bright, happy, optimistic and acts as the beacon of light in a world of darkness. Sure he has moments where he wants to give up but he always remembers to keep his head up and do the right thing.
It’s still in the planning stages so many aspects are subject to change but me and a close friend of mine are always making small bits of progress :)
That sounds so fun!
If James Cameron was making this movie, we woukd still be waiting for it 😂
That was a really cool story!! Thanks you !
Glad you enjoyed!
Hey this is my third video from your channel. At first I suspected that this channel was just like Supervoid Cinema, I'm pleasantly surprised to say although your channels are similar the way you talk about movie scripts is kinda different with how you use stick figures, and puppets, while Supervoid uses more clip edits and scenes from from miscellaneous media. Anyways your script tellings are fun in their own way, so I'm happy to watch both channels. Maybe the two of you should do a collab sometime, That could be interesting!
Thank you for the kind words! Funnily enough, I didn’t even know of Supervoid until after I started doing these videos, once I found his channel, I was hooked. Doing a collab with him would be absolutely wild.
17:09: That's the power of the Spider-splooge!
This film needs to come back in some way 🙌🏻🕸🕷
At the end, the closest thing we got to that movie was Green Goblin's Last Stand
Besides the sneaking to watch MJ... thing the progression of her character in this as far as her and Peters relationship is much better.
That might be do to how she’s used in SM2 and much of 3. Especially since I don’t buy how Peter acted before the symbiosis after he went through this emotional distress in 2 then finally got her.
I like the shy Peter we get in the Raimi movies though I’ve been told it’s not quite to that extreme in the comics. That’s fine by me I relate to it more.
MJ herself never developed into the awesome supportive character in the Raimi movies. That might be due to studio interference with 3. I think Sam was dangling that carrot but it hadn’t delivered that proper crunch.
I think about that a lot- had they just left Raimi be on 3, how that relationship would be different.
We would also have more movies... probably.
My sheets and I always wake up with a sticky substance
In an alternate universe this movie was played and instead of Tobey and Andrew, we got Leo DiCaprio and Logan Lerman in No Way Home
Leo DiCaprio, Logan Lerman, and Asa Butterfield no way home seems like a VERY different movie :P
If he dialed the violence and creepiness down it would be a perfect movie
damn, James Cameron Spiderman is just like Raimi's but smarter
Somewhere out there in the multiverse theres a James Cameron Spider-Man with Leonardo DiCaprio and a Nicolas cage Superman.
Still praying for the day interdementional cable becomes a real thing so we can watch these films
🤔. Leo has a serious side to him and a funny side as well. I can see him as Spider-Man.
The lawsuit battle Royale was a crazy thing i never knew about.
It was so insane that I had to draw a physical version of the diagram for the battle Royale to keep everything straight.
(And that's what gave me the idea to draw it all out in the video in the first place!)