“The only way to fix this is a slow trickle of new (tournament playable) cards” You mean like how things were for decades before WOTC decided every format needs to constantly rotate?
@MTGGoldfishPodcast Bosh n'Roll played a league of "heritage" legacy, only cards that have gone through standard. This seems like it could be a good answer. Still good card pools, easily allows for the 'slow trickle' of new cards into the format; niche pieces that have some overlap with a theme in the standard set but could have impact in 'heritage modern' or 'heritage legacy.'
Haha right, until Wotc releases a legacy proxy product for like $20, I will 100% never play the paper format, but I like hearing about it and used to like watching it. Seems like it's turned into vintage where very deck is a combo deck(not unlike YuGiOH
@@mattm7798 strangely, the budget decks in legacy are cheaper than most decks in other formats. Red burn is $80ish and actually does well in most metas
Well thats also cause the strongest cards printed pre 2020 are banned. Obviously printing straight into enternak formats amplified the powercreep insanely though.
Topics like the first two make me wish y'all would occasionally collab outside the MtG community. Bringing in a ygo voice to discuss an eternal Magic format, or a pokemon voice to discuss collecting/slabbing could offer insight into these areas that are "newer" for Magic.
The thing is, Magic players like to play their cards. The number of uncased Gaea’s Cradles in proportion to their price and in respect to other card games is immense.
The format I’ve been playing around with in my mind is “Standards Past.” Basically, any card that was legal In a Standard set is legal. No direct to Modern or Direct to Commander cards can be played unless they are later added to Standard.
@@lVideoWatcherlwatch the movie “the big short” it’s a layman’s way of explaining how the entire housing market crashed in 2008 due to a enormous bubble. Also a good movie. It’s honestly a little hard to explain in one comment
@@123456789987o I mean, yeah that I got, but what's the last sentence about? I thought it was some kind of reference to something. Is this a specific scene reference to the big short as the other commenter pointed out? Because I don't remember any scene specifically like this.
Did you mean, Pioneer? Sure, not exactly, but it’s an existing format that’s very close to what you’re describing. And we know how much Wizards cares about it.
Courser of Kruphix used to stonewall RDW players. Because of cards like Monstrous Rage, it would be horrendously unplayable today, and that's why every deck has to play Bx removal piles. Green's 'efficient' 3 mana creatures are no longer efficient enough to beat any of red's 1 mana creatures in combat.
@James-tk2yl you have it backwards Midrange Attrition-Control decks like the Bx decks currently dominating Standard elevate linear strategies that are less disrupted by the hyper efficient removal in the Midrange decks. I can't play a deck centered around some novel 3-5 drop creature because it will die. You can either play Black to have access to the best removal, card advantage, recurring effects, etc....or you can play hyper linear decks which by being linear are not as susceptible to the disruption in black.
I'd play a format where you can play only cards that were printed for standard. No additional products. You slam a ban list and good to go. I think the problem is, modern is ruined by MH, Legacy by commander, vintage by my wallet and pioneer by WOTC
Richard is 100% right about the glarb. $60 is a lot of money, but it’s not so much money that it would price me out if I really wanted one as my commander. Sultai is my favorite color combo and I love frogs, so I probably would have bought the glarb had I seen it
The funny thing is, MH3 essentially made Legacy LESS like Yugioh. Modern Yugioh is based off of Legacy-tier turn one combos that are kept in check by tons of instant-speed disruption from the hand in the vein of Force of WIll. Vexing bauble (in my eyes) can turn the game into a sacky combo-off.
As someone who buys Slabs most things don’t actually command that much of a premium on bidder auctions like through PSA’s eBay vault. Usually you’re talking about a 20-30% premium. What’s most valuable is for extra premium stuff like reserve list or ABU cards it’s actually really useful knowing you’re buying a card with verified authenticity and condition. As far as old cards only extremely good condition ones command crazy prices
I would fix it by making only previously standard legal sets being legal. This would mean that strong cards in a given standard could be pushed to legacy when they are powerful enough. Look at unable to scream or sheltered by ghosts from Duskmourne for example. Those cards are very close to playable in the format. I always imagined legacy as the format where you had a favorite deck from standard, and just wanted to keep playing that deck. But that's not what the format has been in like 10-15 years.
The $5 to $60 makes a lot more sense once you realize it costs around $25 to grade a card and you have around 40% chance of a mint looking card grading a 10. You send in 5, spend $125 and get 2 graded 10s - sell them for $60 each and net $100ish after fees. Sell the 9s for $12ish after fees and net $40 more. Now you've profited $15. Sure it works but not well enough to propogate immitators.
Dear Seth and Richard, you should play pauper. Pauper is the best 60 cards format with maybe the second best community after Commander. Tomer last week was playing the Paupergeddon at Rome (the biggest Pauper event in the world). Let him share his expirience in the next podcast.
I think that model is better in some ways, although it also leads to some feel bads where you spend a ton on a card only to have it end up a few bucks after a huge repritning, which is probably still better for most players, but it is annoying if you are the one buying the expensive cards.
@@MTGGoldfishPodcastit's not that much of a feel bad when everyone can play the game. YGO has really good tournament numbers. You just have to know when to flip cards.
I think the misconception is that pack fresh= gem mint 10 grade. Slabbjng is basically your second gamble. The first is opening packs. Second is trying to get a 10. If you send it out and it gets an 8 or lower you wasted the time and money grading it. Magic has really bad quality control, the centering is really bad for getting a 10 consistently.
We saw this same pattern like 10 years ago. It was vintage dying the quick death and legacy dying the slow death at the time. Now, it's legacy and modern. Standard to now extended. History definitely rhymes
I think them making Standard more like old extended is actually good. I started playing when Ice Age came out just after when Standard was invented. It's never been popular outside of "we have to play Standard because WotC says this pro tour season is Standard" Legacy, Extended etc..were always more popular Standard was like you have to eat your vegetables the format
@49:50 Seth hit the nail spot on. Decks that can't deal with Aggro are sitting ducks. I dread the day Cut Down and Go for the Throat will rotate, and we'll be left with a sea of hyper aggressive 1-2 drop creatures.
Ever thought about playing, I don't know, ... Walls and defenders? The fact that you dread not having to include black in any deck that isn't RDW shows how stupid the current card format is. You either play hyper aggro or you play something including black (or mono black). Standard needs a complete reset. Like throw EVERYTHING out and start an entirely new set with low powered, balanced cards and a colour pie that isn't ridiculously lopsided.
@@lVideoWatcherl what do commander players have to do with the sorry state current sets are in and the ridiculous over reliance on black to make anything other than RDW work? Black is by now the best colour for strong creatures (dumpstering pretty much everything green could offer), has the best card draw (they just need to pay some paltry life total like 2 for it or sacrifice one of their million recurring creatures for it), they have the best sustain (lifelink on par with white, indestructible instants on par with white, better wards than white, death touch to deter attackers), they have better burn than red (sheoldred, the gazillion vampires with "take X damage whenever i breathe", the new blood conquerer that takes exactly one other, common 3-mana creature to go infinite burn,...) The list goes on. Black is in everything either best or second best with one tiny exception: artefacts. That's it. There are 5 colours. One colour shouldn't be first or second place in every category except one. This is just so ridiculously stupid. 7 out of the 10 most played cards in standard are black. 2 are red and one is blue. White and green aren't even in the top 10.
@@XpVersusVista are defenders even worth anything when there are decks that make one heartfire hero massive? It will save you a turn, but the cheap removal will possibly save you more and also fizzle out tricks and auras.
@@emtee2925 obviously in the current meta and with the current removal spells defenders aren't worth it. But the question was "what to do once the removal spells are gone". Blue for example has a 1cmc 0/5 turtle (aegis turtle). Blocking a hearth fire hero that has 5+power with that is akin to healing 5 health for U (1blue). And if the mouse has less than 5 power you even get to keep the turtle. The thing with RDW is that it runs out of steam quickly. Survive their first 10 cards (starting hand +3 turns) and you usually have won. Is the turtle as good as a simple removal spell? No, otherwise everyone would play it. But it is still far from "we can't do anything against red". Not to mention that white has even better removal for hero than black: WW Exile for a tapped fish. Circumvents the hero's damage on death due to exile. And it's going to be years before the bloomburrow cards rotate.
I'm sort or surprised nobody has made a popular eternal 60 card format with only cards that were standard legal (no modern horizons/commander). It seems like usually the issues come from those sets.
It sounds like what you are wanting is Magic before they abandoned the 3-set "block" release cadence. Cards entered only through Standard (with the exception of Commander precons impacting Legacy and Vintage), and power creep was gradual. It felt like an additive. I want that too.
@scottcampbell9515 those commander pre-cons feeding cards into Legacy were what drove Modern players to demand a direct to Modern product. They saw TNM spike the cost of every Ux Delver deck by +$400.00 and demanded WotC give us that into Modern.
@scottcampbell9515 it depends. I think Modern is more populated by "Competitive" players now than in say 2016-2019 the period between Twin being Banned and MH1. If you are more competitive player you likely like current Modern better with maybe outliers like TOR needing to be banned but otherwise it's gold. A lot of players jumped into Modern around 2016 because the heavily powercrept Standard of 2015 Khans Block, Magic Origins, Modern Masters...fetches, Thoughtseize, format warping-defining Delve cards...a lot of people got to jump in at essentially Standard costs and Modern was much more wide open in the sense that you could build almost any linear deck that as long as it did it's thing quick enough it could win. Modern was more casual friendly and brewer friendly because in formats like Modern of 2016-2019 matches are more determined by deck selection for a given event than skill. You had far more non-games which the moment you see your opponents deck you know the most likely outcome barring flood/screw rng.
MTGGoldfish has to start using their Bluesky account! I'm not on Twitter anymore but it seems a critical amount of the Magic community has completely switched
I agree with Seth that Magic is now attracting collectors much more than before. At my local card store, I have encountered 3 new people buying collector packs for the sole purpose to have their hits graded. They do not play the game at all, have no idea what any of the cards mean. They only represent potential $ to them. They give away the value less cards to the budget commander players watching them crack box after box.
also idk why but back in duels of the planeswalkers they had things like foil cards or cards with animations. I remember falling in love with cards like it that betrays because it had a sick animation. they could totally bring foiling patterns and things like that into arena, iirc they already have that in magic online.
The slabbed cards reminds me of the art cards they included in boosters. I would use the art cards to denote the command zone, and then use the normal printing as the on the battlefield commander
Hey guys, love the show. Is there any other way to send in fish mail aside from twitter? Not saying to make all kinds of new socials, but something like an email inbox might be more accessible. Twitter became so rough to use over the last few years in more ways than one.
Yeah but on cockatrice (idk about the other one) you just have all the cards, a wotc platform would have some kind of price gating that isn’t present in cockatrice
xmage needs to become the goto for commander. its ruled, and does a pretty decent job of it. just the card pictures options are a bloody nightmare for more complex decks. granted shortcutting is a thing... But if WOTC would work with the creator of xmage, and invest just a little into it, they could have a seriously incredible way to play ALL forms of magic!
1v1 formats revolve around killing your opponent and nothing else. You dont even care if they have a good time because you want to crush them. Thats just sort of how tournament style play goes lol Commander is largely about just having a fun time which is why people frown so much at interaction like counterspells or land destruction or card draw punish etc... theyre totally valid play lines but most commander players wanna dump their gameplan on the board and see if it works lol so yeah. Thats sort of why its way more popular. At the end of the day in almost all games the casual ways to play has WAY more players. LoL has mostly people playing regular draft and aram, WoW almost nobody does mythic content or pushes higher difficulties at all, magic has commander, counterstrike most people play casual instead of ranked, its just almost universally true. Edit: also slabs are huge scams but people are stupid and it gives these things legitimacy
I think the *current* slab situation is a bubble. There will be a point where people will pay a premium for a slab version of a favorite card/art/etc. But the 'slab everything at high prices' is going to pop.
Agreed. I also think slabbing to increase value is dumb if you don't intend to list the card immediately. Slab a card now, wait 10 years to sell it, but no one cares about the company you used and everyone uses a different one now. So now you have to slab it again.
Yeah, we're definitely in a "bigger fool" scheme right now. Artificially drive up prices on cards while there's a lot of hype around Magic as a hot collectible, sell them off at a profit to someone who is convinced by the hype that their "investment" is going to appreciate in value, rinse and repeat until the market levels out and someone else is left holding the bag. We've already seen it in Pokemon, there's lots of cards that got slabbed and sold at wildly inflated prices that are now only a few bucks. Still worth more than the pennies an unslabbed copy is worth, but not even worth what it cost to get them graded in the first place.
A couple ideas for new formats (a lot of which have been floating around for a while): Modern - printed for modern sets, new in standard carda are allowed Standard - universe beyond Pioneer - univetse beyond Standard/pioneer-like only universe beyond sets Variation of pauper, where only common and uncommons are legal I have heard each of these a couple of times before and strongly agree with them. Also, while i know pauper edh isn't that popular (sadly) a variant where the commander is a rare and rest is comon/uncommon could also be interesting.
I don’t understand mtg players vivid disgust of “retro” formats being something that is popular. Yugioh is ONLY a legacy format, and its two other most popular formats are both formats frozen in time. It’s a very fun way to play the game, and I’m sure there is some really good time period to play the game whether it was legacy modern or standard.
I played local Legacy for a long time and swapped between blue tempo, DnT, or control decks but had to stop bc I can no longer keep up. It’s sad bc I loved it and was a huge champion for the format.
Thanks for the analysis! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
You could have an eternal format that’s modern but only stuff that was legal in Standard. That might fix at least some of the problems. It would at least eliminate Modern Horizons and The One Ring.
The thing is even if I was interested in getting into legacy, the format being a combination of too expensive and too volatile means it will never be worth buying in. It’s a good way to kill a format if that’s what Wizards is trying to do.
Lol I own a limited deck and unless you can afford to fly across the country just to play random events the formats been functionally dead for a decade.
On the first topic of being able to play a stable deck, cEDH is the best place to do this. Once you have the staples for your deck you have the foundations to only be changing a handful of cards with the release of new sets. You don’t have to play the “best deck” you can be a deck specialist. It scratches the competitive mindset itch as well. Shame there isn’t a 60 card format like this. Play more cEDH
Aside from the topic of premodern stuff I actually think it would make a really fun video to do "old" commander let's say 2010 and back for commander/deck options
30:21 and this is why Seth Everytime wizards says oh the Marvel or the LoTR sets sold so well. It doesn't translate into game health nor long term engagement. Correlation of sales is not causation of long term health and engagement. Many who are buying them plan for it as a continuation of other IP collections, leaving it in binder or boxes.
27:29 I actually have my commander in a plastic "sleeve." It's one of those plastic hard sleeves just so I can identify it quickly and not shuffle it in accidentally. In the Mana symbol flip I have, it fits perfectly on top and allows the lid to fully close. Just saying
The argument that online commander wont work because "its about the social aspect" is completely idiotic. People thought the same thing about online dungeons and dragons, and that's now wildly successful. There are many ways in which a commander centric arena off shoot will fail, but saying that itll fail cause its not social enough is braindead.
You miss 1 key thing though, D&D is a Co-OP game where as commander is a vs game. You get wildly different mentality of players in these games. In D&D the "I have to win" players are a more rare thing and filtered out by simply kicking them out of the game then playing with the same group for the next year or 3 without them. In commander you will get pods of 4 random players every time you queue up to play and will get those salty try hards far more often where the only goal is to win and you can't filter that out. Iv played MOTO and that is already kinda an issue and the reason arena doesn't have a chat feature.
@@atk9989 you can have the same issue going to a brick and mortar store and playing with new ppl. Playing with random people is always a crap shoot. But the issue of "its just not the same" playing digitally with your own friend group vs playing in person with your friend group, while is a valid argument, its not a valid reason to think the project would fail.
There is no official D&D client where you randomly queue up to get a session with randos, because it's a social game and you have to have some level of communication with the folks you play with, comparing an official first party program with a grassroots webcam movement is complete nonsense.
Again missing the point. also partially wrong. dnd has the adventures league where you go to stores and play dnd with randos. toxicity happens everywhere. im saying that playing dnd with a group of friends irl, isnt much different than playing dnd digitally. and that playing edh with a group of friends irl, isnt much different than playing with them digitally. if you are so scared of ppl being toxic in your commander games, just dont que with randoms......get friends ppl crying that the product shouldnt exist cause of the possibility that theyll have a bad time is crazy.
Speaking as a primarily Premodern player there are things working with a set list that actually make it MORE varied. For a specific example Tarmogoyf obsoleted Quirion Dryad, Werebear, Wild Mongrel, and probably more I can’t think of atm. So you end up with more options that end up filling different roles. Literally these are unplayable everywhere else despite being very fun to play with. So while it doesn’t rotate or add in new cards, there are MORE strategies because of the lack of certain card that obsoleted multiple cards all at once.
I actually did something like the graded cards for my blinged out Carth the Lion commander deck. I bought an etched metal plate of the Carth so I had something fancy to play with since he's so cheap. So I get it.
The slabbing trend tends to follow the collectability of a game. Also, like was brought up, WotC QC is pretty terrible so actual perfect 10 foils are quite rare even for sets that came out last week like Foundations. If you are betting on the collectability of of a game being their for a while, a slab is a locked in investment. It is new to Magic because weirdly as big as the game is most of us acquire these cards to play the game.
I play black not just for cut down but for nowhere to run. With so many things with ward and hexproof you kinda have to to get rid of it. Also with so many enchantment creatures that become enchantments and dont leave and some are combo pieces black now allows you to remove them. With all the removal now combined with sooo many 1 turn kill pieces and life gain black is just best. If black didn't have the quickest removal then everybody would run the turn 2 or 3 win red deck. I think the way to allow more colors to work is to make 2 removal spells that are colorless and can go in any deck. If every color combo can keep from getting ran over then a lot more decks could be played.
Also of note is that a digital client for Commander will very likely not have all the cards from Universes Beyond or will only have them for a few years due to licencing issues, just like how it pretty much already is on MTGO.
What I dislike about Standard is that the removal is needed to keep up with aggro, but at the same time, the high prevalence of removal shuts out a lot of other decks as collateral. The current balance feels like both need to go at the same time, or the other just goes steamroll.
Just an idea to keep the legacy/modern formats interesting. They could “vault” certain cards for specific amount of time. For instance, banning one ring but only for 6 months. And while that’s banned they unban another broken card for 6 months. Then you just keep “vaulting” and “unvaulting” cards in a seasonal type way.
Cut down was necessary in Raffine's day of standard.It's necessary nowadays to hold aggro in check(the format is very fast, too many aggro variations and midrange variations and almost no combos) I like standard as is. The only color that is a bit behind is green right now, working as a support for all other colors.
48:24 This is a problem with modern design for much longer than a couple years. Just look at the Pioneer metagame, dominated by black, they have repeatedly banned cards out of the current iteration Bx decks in Pioneer and it has repeatedly resurrected as new iteration of the best deck of the format.
Pauper and Canlander are the two best competitive duel formats imo. You can play the same deck for a while and update it now and then. It can be heartbreaking to have a favourite deck rotate out or nowadays being powercrept out of a format.
If MTG players really want a format where they can play all their old favorite cards, then what this fanbase needs is a format where you can play any deck that was at one point Standard legal. Pre-response to anyone saying anything about whatever the historically most broken Standard deck was: We can ban it if it's problematic.
The way Richard talks about Tarmogoyf, or Magic in general, makes me wonder why we all even bother with the game anymore. "Everything is unplayable" is like a weekly take.
I think there's definitely some trends toward non booster pack new card products, the foundations starter set having new cards, as well as the continued success of commander precons shows that wizards is at least interested in diversifying the products we get new cards in, and I'd expect more attempts at these sort of things over time (although probably not full sets sadly)
I've been saying this for years. We need an eternal format that explicitly excludes direct to format product. Only cards that have been standard legal. Easy. Done. Of course, wotc would not support such a format, but that isn't a requirement
I've had the thought of a format that is called something on the line of "booster pack" or something g on the line of that, what booster pack something. Cause you are only aloud the amount of each rarity, common, uncommon, and rare/mythic that you would find in 4 booster pack minus basic lands. So 40 commons, 12 uncommon, and 4 rare/mythic. And you use vintage ban list at first and figure it out from there
Damn, my interest in the SLD Commander deck really wasnt that high until I realized that it's Luke Pearson art and Hilda is one of my favorite comics/shows ever. 😭
Please guys, try premodern. It's a frozen format, but there's SO MUCH brewing space and some seriously cool decks. If you were a fan of Extended back in the day, this is pretty close to that.
In marvel snap people who have ink decks (the most rare foiling of specific cards) are players who have ether played so much and earned the card points to upgrade those cards or payed but usually if you see decks that are bling out like that those players know their decks extremely well its supper cool.
In the short term so to speak the card value for graded 10 cards will be the rarest cards, the most powerful cards, and the most iconic cards. However in the super long term the expensive rated 10 cards will be the barely playable rares and mythics that people didn't treat well because they were cheap but those cards need very good art so that they get their value from memories and appearance rather than as game pieces. Those mistreated cards rated as a 10 will be way rarer because they weren't preserved at the same rate of rarer cards.
I can see the appeal of wanting a random card like Glarb in a slab 😊 don't own a single DBZ card but if I were at a convention and saw a graded 10 one, the art on them is worth buying just to have 😀
I am sure, somebody in the comments already suggested it: "Eternal Standard" as the new format. Cards are only legal, if they went through standard. Yes, still a lot of powerful cards, but at least, we could dodge MH and so on :)
Even pauper has degenerate decks. Nothing is safe, its all degenerate decks. If anything Commander only works in "casual" as people just dont play competitive at all, its just do your thing, lose the game and repeat. The moment it becomes cEDH its also a degenerate format, but frankly, the latest iteration is quite grindy to push your combo through.
I literally paid $70 YSD for a BSG 9.0 graded Kami of the Crescent Moon OG. This "Slab" stuff is for me, I want the top top top quality cards for my decks and satisfaction. AND I want other people to see and share in this quality. Online Commander doesn't work, it's the Alchemy of multi-player.
I think how it's going is that red aggro decks are very strong right now, but there isn't really a good control deck to keep them in check. What we end up with are black midrange decks that play a bunch of efficient removal and a bit of lifegain that are able to easily prey on how good the aggro decks are, and the rest of the format is kind of bent around those two archetypes.
The solution is always a lateral move. Take Goblins, they'll usually get a few good pieces every year and Legacy Goblins certainly looks very different since JS than it used to... but Goblins is just one creature type. Have a few Standard sets focus on Orcs or Elementals or Lizards, and then eventually you'll have a Lizards Modern deck, etc. One of my favorite Commander decks is Anje because it's play patterns is so clear, interesting, and innovative. Anje makes otherwise unplayable Madness cards playable, and whenever there's some new Madness card I get to see if I want it for my Anje deck. But you can do that in Modern, Commander, or Legacy for any mechanic; like tribal decks, the trick is having power and enablers and, probably most of all, being willing to print elegant, well designed, well costed (C)s and (U)s. Alternatively, if there's some genuinely bad-for-constructed mechanic... think Kicker... you can print some Commander card that makes it slightly more playable (Look at me, I'm a Grizzly Bears that lets you pay 0 instead of the kicker cost for a spell once each turn. I'm sure no one will remember the 2 cards that this actually makes good...), making a new archetype.
I do feel like Commander kinda rotates now, in a sense. Most of my play group lives in another town these days, and so my Commander decks were last fully upgraded about 3 years ago. Once or twice a year, I'll be invited to play with a guy in my neighborhood when someone from his group can't make it, and it honestly does not feel like we're playing the same game.
It's going to cost you $20 to have that card graded plus $5 in shipping there and $5 shipping the return. Then you have seller fees and shipping when it's sold. So now you sell your $5 card for $60 but it costs you $50 in fees and shipping. Seems like a ton of work to make $5 of profit especially when the odds it's actually a 10 are so low. Who wants to take that risk? So the pricing feels appropriate to me if you are a collector that wants to have all 10s of a set which is the pokemon method of collecting
Premodern doesn’t rotate and it is awesome. And it is all my favorite sets of cards. You just need a type 2 style modern a format that starts and stops at certain years and just enjoy that.
FINALLY the issue with Black is brough up. This has been why I haven't enjoyed standard or Pioneer for like 3-4 sets. Black just has way too much efficient removal. Black is the new Simic. Midrange being one of the best decks isn't the issue. That is actually a great feature. The issue is how prevalent Black is
Just play on tabletop simulator. The MTG 4 player (and 6 player) mod are fantastic. Only way I have played online outside of the occasional cube or modern in years now
I love these chats between Richard, owner of MTG Goldfish and MTG Goldfish himself.
I'm almost certain that you are not better known as saffron olive. Most people I know think your name is MTG Goldfish
Nah. He is Seth, better known as "Seth, better known as Saffron Olive"
Seth stop trying to make Saffron Olive a thing. It's not a thing.
@@radradder you clearly don't know him that well
Seth, probably known as Saffron Olive, probably better known (erroneously) as "MTG Goldfish"
Cgb vo 😅 0:19
“The only way to fix this is a slow trickle of new (tournament playable) cards”
You mean like how things were for decades before WOTC decided every format needs to constantly rotate?
This.
Bingo.
@newworldsound before players demanded direct to Modern products or even before that Direct to legacy cards since 2011.
Yeah, basically.
@MTGGoldfishPodcast Bosh n'Roll played a league of "heritage" legacy, only cards that have gone through standard. This seems like it could be a good answer. Still good card pools, easily allows for the 'slow trickle' of new cards into the format; niche pieces that have some overlap with a theme in the standard set but could have impact in 'heritage modern' or 'heritage legacy.'
A format I will never play, but I'll listen to you guys talk about pretty much anything.
I don’t even play MTG any more (absolute disgrace of a decadent ex game) and I still listen to Seth and these guys lol
😂
moron
Haha right, until Wotc releases a legacy proxy product for like $20, I will 100% never play the paper format, but I like hearing about it and used to like watching it. Seems like it's turned into vintage where very deck is a combo deck(not unlike YuGiOH
@@mattm7798 strangely, the budget decks in legacy are cheaper than most decks in other formats. Red burn is $80ish and actually does well in most metas
format of most powerful cards of all time and its mainly cards from 2020 onwards, should say loads about where the game is going
Well thats also cause the strongest cards printed pre 2020 are banned. Obviously printing straight into enternak formats amplified the powercreep insanely though.
Yep
Crim's gone back to college!
His dad must be so proud
Topics like the first two make me wish y'all would occasionally collab outside the MtG community.
Bringing in a ygo voice to discuss an eternal Magic format, or a pokemon voice to discuss collecting/slabbing could offer insight into these areas that are "newer" for Magic.
The thing is, Magic players like to play their cards. The number of uncased Gaea’s Cradles in proportion to their price and in respect to other card games is immense.
The format I’ve been playing around with in my mind is “Standards Past.” Basically, any card that was legal
In a Standard set is legal. No direct to Modern or Direct to Commander cards can be played unless they are later added to Standard.
I wish this would catch on for both standard and commander, but unfortunately there’s just not enough traction.
So pionner but 3 years behind?
@@CRIPPLINGSODIUMADDICT no, more like vintage.
@@silphonym oh, then im actually kinda fuckin with that then
This is the format I'd want. Only cards that have been printed in a standard set would be sick.
Richard: I don't think this is a bubble. Otherwise every TCG is a bubble.
*Looks at Camera in 2008*
I don't get this, care to elaborate?
@@lVideoWatcherl In 2008 the financial markets crashed
@123456789987o and magic didn't its a game not a investment vehicle
@@lVideoWatcherlwatch the movie “the big short” it’s a layman’s way of explaining how the entire housing market crashed in 2008 due to a enormous bubble. Also a good movie. It’s honestly a little hard to explain in one comment
@@123456789987o I mean, yeah that I got, but what's the last sentence about? I thought it was some kind of reference to something. Is this a specific scene reference to the big short as the other commenter pointed out? Because I don't remember any scene specifically like this.
Pure Modern and Pure Legacy. If it didn’t go through standard, it is not legal. Simple.
Did you mean, Pioneer?
Sure, not exactly, but it’s an existing format that’s very close to what you’re describing. And we know how much Wizards cares about it.
Google Heritage format 🤫
@@Daybed4448that's what I've been saying
@@ConManAUyes but now we'll have standard UB sets which will be in pioneer which super sucks
@@ConManAU enough that it is supported at the Pro-Tour level like Modern?
Courser of Kruphix used to stonewall RDW players. Because of cards like Monstrous Rage, it would be horrendously unplayable today, and that's why every deck has to play Bx removal piles. Green's 'efficient' 3 mana creatures are no longer efficient enough to beat any of red's 1 mana creatures in combat.
@James-tk2yl you have it backwards Midrange Attrition-Control decks like the Bx decks currently dominating Standard elevate linear strategies that are less disrupted by the hyper efficient removal in the Midrange decks. I can't play a deck centered around some novel 3-5 drop creature because it will die. You can either play Black to have access to the best removal, card advantage, recurring effects, etc....or you can play hyper linear decks which by being linear are not as susceptible to the disruption in black.
The main reason Cut Down was printed was so that you can deal with Raffine for 2 mana, so in a way, it's Raffine's fault for being so pushed.
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The error was also in making it a Black card at all. Black has been way over pushed for most of the previous decade.
I'd play a format where you can play only cards that were printed for standard. No additional products. You slam a ban list and good to go.
I think the problem is, modern is ruined by MH, Legacy by commander, vintage by my wallet and pioneer by WOTC
Richard is 100% right about the glarb. $60 is a lot of money, but it’s not so much money that it would price me out if I really wanted one as my commander. Sultai is my favorite color combo and I love frogs, so I probably would have bought the glarb had I seen it
The funny thing is, MH3 essentially made Legacy LESS like Yugioh. Modern Yugioh is based off of Legacy-tier turn one combos that are kept in check by tons of instant-speed disruption from the hand in the vein of Force of WIll. Vexing bauble (in my eyes) can turn the game into a sacky combo-off.
As someone who buys Slabs most things don’t actually command that much of a premium on bidder auctions like through PSA’s eBay vault. Usually you’re talking about a 20-30% premium. What’s most valuable is for extra premium stuff like reserve list or ABU cards it’s actually really useful knowing you’re buying a card with verified authenticity and condition. As far as old cards only extremely good condition ones command crazy prices
10:20 I think the opposite is happening. The focus on Commander is why this is the situation for legacy and modern.
Richard really on point this week with is takes. Color me surprised.
I would fix it by making only previously standard legal sets being legal. This would mean that strong cards in a given standard could be pushed to legacy when they are powerful enough. Look at unable to scream or sheltered by ghosts from Duskmourne for example. Those cards are very close to playable in the format. I always imagined legacy as the format where you had a favorite deck from standard, and just wanted to keep playing that deck. But that's not what the format has been in like 10-15 years.
The $5 to $60 makes a lot more sense once you realize it costs around $25 to grade a card and you have around 40% chance of a mint looking card grading a 10. You send in 5, spend $125 and get 2 graded 10s - sell them for $60 each and net $100ish after fees. Sell the 9s for $12ish after fees and net $40 more. Now you've profited $15. Sure it works but not well enough to propogate immitators.
Dear Seth and Richard, you should play pauper.
Pauper is the best 60 cards format with maybe the second best community after Commander.
Tomer last week was playing the Paupergeddon at Rome (the biggest Pauper event in the world).
Let him share his expirience in the next podcast.
In this instance I wish Wizards were more like Konami because they reprint the ever living shit out of older cards.
I think that model is better in some ways, although it also leads to some feel bads where you spend a ton on a card only to have it end up a few bucks after a huge repritning, which is probably still better for most players, but it is annoying if you are the one buying the expensive cards.
@@MTGGoldfishPodcastit's not that much of a feel bad when everyone can play the game. YGO has really good tournament numbers. You just have to know when to flip cards.
@TheAlmightyGoiter unfortunately people will cry about it.
I think the misconception is that pack fresh= gem mint 10 grade. Slabbjng is basically your second gamble. The first is opening packs. Second is trying to get a 10. If you send it out and it gets an 8 or lower you wasted the time and money grading it. Magic has really bad quality control, the centering is really bad for getting a 10 consistently.
We saw this same pattern like 10 years ago. It was vintage dying the quick death and legacy dying the slow death at the time. Now, it's legacy and modern.
Standard to now extended. History definitely rhymes
I think them making Standard more like old extended is actually good. I started playing when Ice Age came out just after when Standard was invented. It's never been popular outside of "we have to play Standard because WotC says this pro tour season is Standard" Legacy, Extended etc..were always more popular Standard was like you have to eat your vegetables the format
@49:50 Seth hit the nail spot on. Decks that can't deal with Aggro are sitting ducks. I dread the day Cut Down and Go for the Throat will rotate, and we'll be left with a sea of hyper aggressive 1-2 drop creatures.
Ever thought about playing, I don't know, ... Walls and defenders?
The fact that you dread not having to include black in any deck that isn't RDW shows how stupid the current card format is. You either play hyper aggro or you play something including black (or mono black).
Standard needs a complete reset. Like throw EVERYTHING out and start an entirely new set with low powered, balanced cards and a colour pie that isn't ridiculously lopsided.
@XpVersusVista But how will WotC make money off of Commander players then?
@@lVideoWatcherl what do commander players have to do with the sorry state current sets are in and the ridiculous over reliance on black to make anything other than RDW work?
Black is by now the best colour for strong creatures (dumpstering pretty much everything green could offer), has the best card draw (they just need to pay some paltry life total like 2 for it or sacrifice one of their million recurring creatures for it), they have the best sustain (lifelink on par with white, indestructible instants on par with white, better wards than white, death touch to deter attackers), they have better burn than red (sheoldred, the gazillion vampires with "take X damage whenever i breathe", the new blood conquerer that takes exactly one other, common 3-mana creature to go infinite burn,...)
The list goes on. Black is in everything either best or second best with one tiny exception: artefacts. That's it. There are 5 colours. One colour shouldn't be first or second place in every category except one. This is just so ridiculously stupid. 7 out of the 10 most played cards in standard are black. 2 are red and one is blue. White and green aren't even in the top 10.
@@XpVersusVista are defenders even worth anything when there are decks that make one heartfire hero massive? It will save you a turn, but the cheap removal will possibly save you more and also fizzle out tricks and auras.
@@emtee2925 obviously in the current meta and with the current removal spells defenders aren't worth it. But the question was "what to do once the removal spells are gone". Blue for example has a 1cmc 0/5 turtle (aegis turtle). Blocking a hearth fire hero that has 5+power with that is akin to healing 5 health for U (1blue). And if the mouse has less than 5 power you even get to keep the turtle.
The thing with RDW is that it runs out of steam quickly. Survive their first 10 cards (starting hand +3 turns) and you usually have won.
Is the turtle as good as a simple removal spell? No, otherwise everyone would play it. But it is still far from "we can't do anything against red". Not to mention that white has even better removal for hero than black: WW Exile for a tapped fish. Circumvents the hero's damage on death due to exile. And it's going to be years before the bloomburrow cards rotate.
I'm sort or surprised nobody has made a popular eternal 60 card format with only cards that were standard legal (no modern horizons/commander). It seems like usually the issues come from those sets.
It sounds like what you are wanting is Magic before they abandoned the 3-set "block" release cadence. Cards entered only through Standard (with the exception of Commander precons impacting Legacy and Vintage), and power creep was gradual. It felt like an additive.
I want that too.
@scottcampbell9515 those commander pre-cons feeding cards into Legacy were what drove Modern players to demand a direct to Modern product. They saw TNM spike the cost of every Ux Delver deck by +$400.00 and demanded WotC give us that into Modern.
@ …and now those same players regret that happening. We reap what we sow.
@scottcampbell9515 it depends. I think Modern is more populated by "Competitive" players now than in say 2016-2019 the period between Twin being Banned and MH1. If you are more competitive player you likely like current Modern better with maybe outliers like TOR needing to be banned but otherwise it's gold. A lot of players jumped into Modern around 2016 because the heavily powercrept Standard of 2015 Khans Block, Magic Origins, Modern Masters...fetches, Thoughtseize, format warping-defining Delve cards...a lot of people got to jump in at essentially Standard costs and Modern was much more wide open in the sense that you could build almost any linear deck that as long as it did it's thing quick enough it could win. Modern was more casual friendly and brewer friendly because in formats like Modern of 2016-2019 matches are more determined by deck selection for a given event than skill. You had far more non-games which the moment you see your opponents deck you know the most likely outcome barring flood/screw rng.
@ still FNMs should not have the same intensity as RCQs. That’s how a lot of players I know treat it.
MTGGoldfish has to start using their Bluesky account! I'm not on Twitter anymore but it seems a critical amount of the Magic community has completely switched
lol
I agree with Seth that Magic is now attracting collectors much more than before. At my local card store, I have encountered 3 new people buying collector packs for the sole purpose to have their hits graded. They do not play the game at all, have no idea what any of the cards mean. They only represent potential $ to them. They give away the value less cards to the budget commander players watching them crack box after box.
also idk why but back in duels of the planeswalkers they had things like foil cards or cards with animations. I remember falling in love with cards like it that betrays because it had a sick animation. they could totally bring foiling patterns and things like that into arena, iirc they already have that in magic online.
All this confirms to me is that the best 60 card format is Pauper
The slabbed cards reminds me of the art cards they included in boosters. I would use the art cards to denote the command zone, and then use the normal printing as the on the battlefield commander
Hey guys, love the show. Is there any other way to send in fish mail aside from twitter? Not saying to make all kinds of new socials, but something like an email inbox might be more accessible. Twitter became so rough to use over the last few years in more ways than one.
Can also send them on Bluesky or email them to me at SaffronOlive@MTGGoldfish.com
Digital commander using tabletop sim or cockatrice has been pretty popular iirc
Untap and Forge are also very good for commander
Yeah but on cockatrice (idk about the other one) you just have all the cards, a wotc platform would have some kind of price gating that isn’t present in cockatrice
xmage needs to become the goto for commander. its ruled, and does a pretty decent job of it.
just the card pictures options are a bloody nightmare for more complex decks. granted shortcutting is a thing...
But if WOTC would work with the creator of xmage, and invest just a little into it, they could have a seriously incredible way to play ALL forms of magic!
Glarb sees CEDH play. Possible that's why a slabbed copy sold.
glarb sees play in my sultai beans deck in legacy
Based glarb enjoyer
It's a crime crime that Crim couldn't be on this episode; he's the player slabbing off the wall cards like glarbb
The guy with the 10 Glarb is screaming "FU Seth" at his screen now.
lol
1v1 formats revolve around killing your opponent and nothing else. You dont even care if they have a good time because you want to crush them. Thats just sort of how tournament style play goes lol
Commander is largely about just having a fun time which is why people frown so much at interaction like counterspells or land destruction or card draw punish etc... theyre totally valid play lines but most commander players wanna dump their gameplan on the board and see if it works lol so yeah.
Thats sort of why its way more popular. At the end of the day in almost all games the casual ways to play has WAY more players. LoL has mostly people playing regular draft and aram, WoW almost nobody does mythic content or pushes higher difficulties at all, magic has commander, counterstrike most people play casual instead of ranked, its just almost universally true.
Edit: also slabs are huge scams but people are stupid and it gives these things legitimacy
I think the *current* slab situation is a bubble. There will be a point where people will pay a premium for a slab version of a favorite card/art/etc. But the 'slab everything at high prices' is going to pop.
Agreed. I also think slabbing to increase value is dumb if you don't intend to list the card immediately. Slab a card now, wait 10 years to sell it, but no one cares about the company you used and everyone uses a different one now. So now you have to slab it again.
Yeah, we're definitely in a "bigger fool" scheme right now. Artificially drive up prices on cards while there's a lot of hype around Magic as a hot collectible, sell them off at a profit to someone who is convinced by the hype that their "investment" is going to appreciate in value, rinse and repeat until the market levels out and someone else is left holding the bag. We've already seen it in Pokemon, there's lots of cards that got slabbed and sold at wildly inflated prices that are now only a few bucks. Still worth more than the pennies an unslabbed copy is worth, but not even worth what it cost to get them graded in the first place.
A couple ideas for new formats (a lot of which have been floating around for a while):
Modern - printed for modern sets, new in standard carda are allowed
Standard - universe beyond
Pioneer - univetse beyond
Standard/pioneer-like only universe beyond sets
Variation of pauper, where only common and uncommons are legal
I have heard each of these a couple of times before and strongly agree with them. Also, while i know pauper edh isn't that popular (sadly) a variant where the commander is a rare and rest is comon/uncommon could also be interesting.
I don’t understand mtg players vivid disgust of “retro” formats being something that is popular. Yugioh is ONLY a legacy format, and its two other most popular formats are both formats frozen in time. It’s a very fun way to play the game, and I’m sure there is some really good time period to play the game whether it was legacy modern or standard.
I played local Legacy for a long time and swapped between blue tempo, DnT, or control decks but had to stop bc I can no longer keep up. It’s sad bc I loved it and was a huge champion for the format.
Thanks for the analysis! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
You could have an eternal format that’s modern but only stuff that was legal in Standard. That might fix at least some of the problems. It would at least eliminate Modern Horizons and The One Ring.
The thing is even if I was interested in getting into legacy, the format being a combination of too expensive and too volatile means it will never be worth buying in. It’s a good way to kill a format if that’s what Wizards is trying to do.
Lol
I own a limited deck and unless you can afford to fly across the country just to play random events the formats been functionally dead for a decade.
On the first topic of being able to play a stable deck, cEDH is the best place to do this. Once you have the staples for your deck you have the foundations to only be changing a handful of cards with the release of new sets. You don’t have to play the “best deck” you can be a deck specialist. It scratches the competitive mindset itch as well. Shame there isn’t a 60 card format like this. Play more cEDH
Aside from the topic of premodern stuff I actually think it would make a really fun video to do "old" commander let's say 2010 and back for commander/deck options
30:21 and this is why Seth Everytime wizards says oh the Marvel or the LoTR sets sold so well. It doesn't translate into game health nor long term engagement. Correlation of sales is not causation of long term health and engagement. Many who are buying them plan for it as a continuation of other IP collections, leaving it in binder or boxes.
Appreciate the slab talk
How about a No Mythics format?
I would love to write in to fish mail, but I would rather die than re-install Twitter.
I think they are on Bluesky too
There's other ways to do it I think
You can also email them to me SaffronOlive@MTGGoldfish.com
So brave
Yeah twitter is GARBAGE
Have you heard of value vintage 30 budget for the deck
I blinged out my Tribunal deck in Marvel Snap. Just like in magic. I love blinging out my favorite decks. ❤
27:29 I actually have my commander in a plastic "sleeve." It's one of those plastic hard sleeves just so I can identify it quickly and not shuffle it in accidentally. In the Mana symbol flip I have, it fits perfectly on top and allows the lid to fully close. Just saying
Yup, can confirm: we're VERY close to Yugioh now. Turn two wins are the rule
The argument that online commander wont work because "its about the social aspect" is completely idiotic. People thought the same thing about online dungeons and dragons, and that's now wildly successful. There are many ways in which a commander centric arena off shoot will fail, but saying that itll fail cause its not social enough is braindead.
You miss 1 key thing though, D&D is a Co-OP game where as commander is a vs game. You get wildly different mentality of players in these games. In D&D the "I have to win" players are a more rare thing and filtered out by simply kicking them out of the game then playing with the same group for the next year or 3 without them. In commander you will get pods of 4 random players every time you queue up to play and will get those salty try hards far more often where the only goal is to win and you can't filter that out. Iv played MOTO and that is already kinda an issue and the reason arena doesn't have a chat feature.
@@atk9989 you can have the same issue going to a brick and mortar store and playing with new ppl. Playing with random people is always a crap shoot. But the issue of "its just not the same" playing digitally with your own friend group vs playing in person with your friend group, while is a valid argument, its not a valid reason to think the project would fail.
There is no official D&D client where you randomly queue up to get a session with randos, because it's a social game and you have to have some level of communication with the folks you play with, comparing an official first party program with a grassroots webcam movement is complete nonsense.
Again missing the point. also partially wrong. dnd has the adventures league where you go to stores and play dnd with randos. toxicity happens everywhere. im saying that playing dnd with a group of friends irl, isnt much different than playing dnd digitally. and that playing edh with a group of friends irl, isnt much different than playing with them digitally.
if you are so scared of ppl being toxic in your commander games, just dont que with randoms......get friends
ppl crying that the product shouldnt exist cause of the possibility that theyll have a bad time is crazy.
Speaking as a primarily Premodern player there are things working with a set list that actually make it MORE varied. For a specific example Tarmogoyf obsoleted Quirion Dryad, Werebear, Wild Mongrel, and probably more I can’t think of atm. So you end up with more options that end up filling different roles. Literally these are unplayable everywhere else despite being very fun to play with. So while it doesn’t rotate or add in new cards, there are MORE strategies because of the lack of certain card that obsoleted multiple cards all at once.
It's a closed game once it's solved it's solved.
What about a modern format that card pool is only cards that are standard legal?
I actually did something like the graded cards for my blinged out Carth the Lion commander deck. I bought an etched metal plate of the Carth so I had something fancy to play with since he's so cheap. So I get it.
The slabbing trend tends to follow the collectability of a game. Also, like was brought up, WotC QC is pretty terrible so actual perfect 10 foils are quite rare even for sets that came out last week like Foundations. If you are betting on the collectability of of a game being their for a while, a slab is a locked in investment. It is new to Magic because weirdly as big as the game is most of us acquire these cards to play the game.
I play black not just for cut down but for nowhere to run. With so many things with ward and hexproof you kinda have to to get rid of it. Also with so many enchantment creatures that become enchantments and dont leave and some are combo pieces black now allows you to remove them. With all the removal now combined with sooo many 1 turn kill pieces and life gain black is just best. If black didn't have the quickest removal then everybody would run the turn 2 or 3 win red deck. I think the way to allow more colors to work is to make 2 removal spells that are colorless and can go in any deck. If every color combo can keep from getting ran over then a lot more decks could be played.
Also of note is that a digital client for Commander will very likely not have all the cards from Universes Beyond or will only have them for a few years due to licencing issues, just like how it pretty much already is on MTGO.
What I dislike about Standard is that the removal is needed to keep up with aggro, but at the same time, the high prevalence of removal shuts out a lot of other decks as collateral. The current balance feels like both need to go at the same time, or the other just goes steamroll.
Just an idea to keep the legacy/modern formats interesting. They could “vault” certain cards for specific amount of time. For instance, banning one ring but only for 6 months. And while that’s banned they unban another broken card for 6 months. Then you just keep “vaulting” and “unvaulting” cards in a seasonal type way.
The non rotating thing is a huge reason why I pivoted from modern to commander.
Ancient Tomb is one of the 10 best cards ever printed.
Cut down was necessary in Raffine's day of standard.It's necessary nowadays to hold aggro in check(the format is very fast, too many aggro variations and midrange variations and almost no combos) I like standard as is. The only color that is a bit behind is green right now, working as a support for all other colors.
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This is a problem with modern design for much longer than a couple years. Just look at the Pioneer metagame, dominated by black, they have repeatedly banned cards out of the current iteration Bx decks in Pioneer and it has repeatedly resurrected as new iteration of the best deck of the format.
Pauper and Canlander are the two best competitive duel formats imo. You can play the same deck for a while and update it now and then. It can be heartbreaking to have a favourite deck rotate out or nowadays being powercrept out of a format.
If MTG players really want a format where they can play all their old favorite cards, then what this fanbase needs is a format where you can play any deck that was at one point Standard legal.
Pre-response to anyone saying anything about whatever the historically most broken Standard deck was: We can ban it if it's problematic.
The way Richard talks about Tarmogoyf, or Magic in general, makes me wonder why we all even bother with the game anymore. "Everything is unplayable" is like a weekly take.
There is a vintage format gaining a bit of traction called $30 vintage. Get the vintage card pool but with a $30 deck restriction!
I think there's definitely some trends toward non booster pack new card products, the foundations starter set having new cards, as well as the continued success of commander precons shows that wizards is at least interested in diversifying the products we get new cards in, and I'd expect more attempts at these sort of things over time (although probably not full sets sadly)
explain what "slabbed card" means
First fish mail is akin to the redemption program. I get my cards through redemption sets.
I've been saying this for years. We need an eternal format that explicitly excludes direct to format product. Only cards that have been standard legal. Easy. Done. Of course, wotc would not support such a format, but that isn't a requirement
I've had the thought of a format that is called something on the line of "booster pack" or something g on the line of that, what booster pack something. Cause you are only aloud the amount of each rarity, common, uncommon, and rare/mythic that you would find in 4 booster pack minus basic lands. So 40 commons, 12 uncommon, and 4 rare/mythic. And you use vintage ban list at first and figure it out from there
The new format should be called Premier, and it should be only premier sets.
Damn, my interest in the SLD Commander deck really wasnt that high until I realized that it's Luke Pearson art and Hilda is one of my favorite comics/shows ever. 😭
You guys should start looking into pauper. New sets affect it and horizons sets affect it a lot, but it's super cheap to get a new deck, so it's ok
Legacy, but with a Highlander points list, or limited number of cards per set in a deck?
Please guys, try premodern. It's a frozen format, but there's SO MUCH brewing space and some seriously cool decks.
If you were a fan of Extended back in the day, this is pretty close to that.
In marvel snap people who have ink decks (the most rare foiling of specific cards) are players who have ether played so much and earned the card points to upgrade those cards or payed but usually if you see decks that are bling out like that those players know their decks extremely well its supper cool.
In the short term so to speak the card value for graded 10 cards will be the rarest cards, the most powerful cards, and the most iconic cards. However in the super long term the expensive rated 10 cards will be the barely playable rares and mythics that people didn't treat well because they were cheap but those cards need very good art so that they get their value from memories and appearance rather than as game pieces. Those mistreated cards rated as a 10 will be way rarer because they weren't preserved at the same rate of rarer cards.
I can see the appeal of wanting a random card like Glarb in a slab 😊 don't own a single DBZ card but if I were at a convention and saw a graded 10 one, the art on them is worth buying just to have 😀
I am sure, somebody in the comments already suggested it: "Eternal Standard" as the new format. Cards are only legal, if they went through standard.
Yes, still a lot of powerful cards, but at least, we could dodge MH and so on :)
Even pauper has degenerate decks.
Nothing is safe, its all degenerate decks.
If anything Commander only works in "casual" as people just dont play competitive at all, its just do your thing, lose the game and repeat.
The moment it becomes cEDH its also a degenerate format, but frankly, the latest iteration is quite grindy to push your combo through.
I literally paid $70 YSD for a BSG 9.0 graded Kami of the Crescent Moon OG.
This "Slab" stuff is for me, I want the top top top quality cards for my decks and satisfaction. AND I want other people to see and share in this quality.
Online Commander doesn't work, it's the Alchemy of multi-player.
I think how it's going is that red aggro decks are very strong right now, but there isn't really a good control deck to keep them in check. What we end up with are black midrange decks that play a bunch of efficient removal and a bit of lifegain that are able to easily prey on how good the aggro decks are, and the rest of the format is kind of bent around those two archetypes.
The solution is always a lateral move. Take Goblins, they'll usually get a few good pieces every year and Legacy Goblins certainly looks very different since JS than it used to... but Goblins is just one creature type. Have a few Standard sets focus on Orcs or Elementals or Lizards, and then eventually you'll have a Lizards Modern deck, etc. One of my favorite Commander decks is Anje because it's play patterns is so clear, interesting, and innovative. Anje makes otherwise unplayable Madness cards playable, and whenever there's some new Madness card I get to see if I want it for my Anje deck. But you can do that in Modern, Commander, or Legacy for any mechanic; like tribal decks, the trick is having power and enablers and, probably most of all, being willing to print elegant, well designed, well costed (C)s and (U)s. Alternatively, if there's some genuinely bad-for-constructed mechanic... think Kicker... you can print some Commander card that makes it slightly more playable (Look at me, I'm a Grizzly Bears that lets you pay 0 instead of the kicker cost for a spell once each turn. I'm sure no one will remember the 2 cards that this actually makes good...), making a new archetype.
I do feel like Commander kinda rotates now, in a sense. Most of my play group lives in another town these days, and so my Commander decks were last fully upgraded about 3 years ago. Once or twice a year, I'll be invited to play with a guy in my neighborhood when someone from his group can't make it, and it honestly does not feel like we're playing the same game.
It's going to cost you $20 to have that card graded plus $5 in shipping there and $5 shipping the return. Then you have seller fees and shipping when it's sold. So now you sell your $5 card for $60 but it costs you $50 in fees and shipping. Seems like a ton of work to make $5 of profit especially when the odds it's actually a 10 are so low. Who wants to take that risk? So the pricing feels appropriate to me if you are a collector that wants to have all 10s of a set which is the pokemon method of collecting
how in the world does commander last 2 hours?
I'd rather roll a die than play legacy
Mystic Forge is so good right now because of Vexing Bauble, K Command and Fleshraker -- all MH3 cards
No supplemental sets. Standard rotation sets only. It wouldn’t fix everything but you’d lose horizon sets and commander sets.
Premodern doesn’t rotate and it is awesome. And it is all my favorite sets of cards. You just need a type 2 style modern a format that starts and stops at certain years and just enjoy that.
FINALLY the issue with Black is brough up. This has been why I haven't enjoyed standard or Pioneer for like 3-4 sets. Black just has way too much efficient removal. Black is the new Simic.
Midrange being one of the best decks isn't the issue. That is actually a great feature. The issue is how prevalent Black is
Just play on tabletop simulator. The MTG 4 player (and 6 player) mod are fantastic. Only way I have played online outside of the occasional cube or modern in years now