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Universes Beyond in Standard would be bad news bears.

People whine too much about banning cards

That price for digital cardboard is obscene, I can't really say I'm surprised given how they price wildcards but wow $80 for a not even tier 1 deck is such slap in the face, hell it'd be a slap in the face as a paper precon, as a digital product it's downright laughable.

Seth, the MB2 retail edtion dropped at the same time as the convention edition. The reprint in 2021 was just for the convention edtion, as covid really messed up the supply/distribution of the 2019 edition. I think it's cope to assume it's coming to stores, but it's also going to be all over secret lair festival in a box drops for the next year+, and all over ebay to boot.

Everyone who was complaining that they wouldn't be able to buy MB2, it was super easy to get off the secret lair website. Just buy it if you want it.

As long as WotC continues to market MTG exclusively to whales, I'm going to continue refusing to give WotC any money beyond my two cents and proxying literally everything. Your move, WotC.

As soon as I saw innkeepers talent for a buck I intended to buy 20. the next week it was selling for 8 bucks. i got my only 2 copies for 18ish. Really sad I missed that train.

Brother I am not paying 50 bucks for a digital deck that isn't even that good. I'd start maybe considering it at 15 bucks..

I bailed on Snap because it was way too expensive. The card acquisition was trash even for paid players.

11:40 if the deck that holds 35% of the meta needs no bannings no deck need to be banned maybe thats why wotc ignores pioneer ^^

The digital precons are more expensive than the paper ones 🙃

Modern The evoke elementals in general need to go. Alongside Nadu Pioneer Personally, I think Sorin should go. Rakdos was fine before a d it'll just go back to the old build. Legacy You already seen several HUGE legacy events cancel or discuss canceling simply because Grief is legal.

8/21/2024 @ 2:30 pm CST Mystery Booster2 Festival in a Box is still available.

Talking to Crim about whether cards should be banned is pointless; you might as well have a conversation with a piece of paper with the word "Nope!" written on it.

No discussion of pauper in the banlist discussion?!?!? 😉

Mana Leak can definitely be in standard. I mostly played in 2008-12 so I remember always having that exist in format and, while annoying, never felt super unfair. Especially now where you get a 4/5 for 4 that draws a card, untaps your land, forces your opponent to sac three permanents, AND siphons the gas from their car...Yeah, that's fine.

I am currently playing Golgari Innkeeper in Standard, and although I win slightly more than I lose, there are plenty of times where I get completely blown out. It is so easy to deal with Innkeeper's Talent that it shouldnt' be banned. One commenter mentioned that it is "a telegraphed combo"--and it clearly is--but you would be surprised by how many times people go after the bat or even Mosswood Dreadknight--hint: please quit spending your removal spells on the knight because I'll just get it back next turn--instead of attacking me or trying to remove the enchantment. That being said, my utmost respect to my opponent who kept playing after getting Lilianaed, then Lilianed again, then finally lost when they got Vraskaed. They didn't give up! Still....the deck needs a little more card draw--perhaps I will try Stargaze because I don't mind spending 4 life to look at 8 cards and put 4 in my hand. .. For Pioneer...just play Foul-Tongue Invocation and make them sac Vein Ripper or Void Rend and ignore the ward. ... When I play energy, more often than not my opponent will scoop as I make infinite (or could make infinite) thopters--Whirler Virtuoso plus two of either Izzet Generatorium or Decoction Module plus one of the other has to be painful for an opponent to see.

Wait didnt we get precons for FREE before?

The precon decks should be $20

Pokemon TCG Live may be doodoo as a client but they make standard super accessible by giving you half done tier 0-2 decks for free every rotation, with a new halfway there tier 1 deck for free every new battle pass season. And a second one if you use your gems to unlock the premium pass. $50 is too much to ask for Arena precons.

I agree with other comments that even $50 is far too much for a deck. I routinely purchase video games with hours and hours of play opportunity for under $5. There's no way I'm spending $80 on a sub-par deck, especially if I'm a new player and don't know if I'll like the game.

Unban splinter twin!

24 hours later, MB2 is still available. I picked up two. One for short term and one to hold onto for a long time

I think the iconic red card in Foundations wouldn't be Lightning Bolt but Pyroclasm

I Wana see the blue white list

They should just ban bolt in best of 1 then lol

Regarding Nadu, I would like to evoke the words from the wise Master Yoda: "At an end your rule is, and not short enough it was."

To note about the precons - MTG Arena actually comes with a ton of free, but terrible, precons. We just had a rollout of two colour decks given away for free, I think one for each colour pair. I can't remember if they're tied to the "colour challenge" or not, but worth noting.

In modern, I would say there is an overpower card in boros energy and it's ajani. The other cards aren't that busted (except phlage) but ajani is 3/3 on board for 2 manas on two bodies and you can't kill a cat until ajani die most of the time ... I don't think they will ban the card this monday but I think the community will figure out that this card is a bit too powerful when the meta will be only 4 decks : boros, mardu, jeskai and frogtide. And we will ask for a ban of phlage, ajani and/or raptor.

Foundations : Lightning Bolt ✅ Llanowar Elves ✅ PONDER ✅ Path to Exile ✅ Dismember ✅

For pioneer, something from amalia and vampires needs to go. For phoenix, I wouldn't immediately ban cruise, but if it becomes tier zero, then I would. I don't have a crystal ball and I don't trust people who say they do. So I am not just going to take it on faith that cruise needs to go without showing itself to be a problem.

Every new update moves Arena closer to a "pay to play" than a "free to play" game, even gacha games arent this egregious.

My predictions for the bannings in the formats are these: Legacy: Grief. Modern: The One Ring, Nadu and Phlage. Pioneer: Possibly Treasure Cruise because people are salty about it and WOTC are listening to the salt. But Amalia should just be banned.

In regards to the decks that were on Arena. I don't even think that $50 is worth it. That feels like crazy for a not tier 1-2 deck. I get that arena has a predatory economy so it makes sense. But what new player is going to spend $50 on a bad constructed deck.

So I haven’t played marvel snap personally but isn’t a big part of it was they didn’t want people to buy cards instead just earn them by playing the game?

Lightning bolt is less salt than it is a format warped where everything toughness three or less sucks. Think about how much you hate bowmasters. It limits what creatures can even be played.

Modern wise, didn't they already nerf Ocelot/Guide of souls outright on Arena? How is that not a sign of things to come?

I used to spend hundreds of dollars a month on booster boxes back in og ravinica days. Now a days. 80$ for a digital deck? No thank you. There is absolutely no reason to sell digital cards for real world values. Even with the discount. You cutnthay price in half and I'll think about it. Realistically though, i buy them for 20$ even without the card discount. Its the problem with live service games. they dont understand that at lower prices they reach a far far far larger geoup of people. And by having a high entry point you only turn people off and carter to people with more money than brains

I wonder how many that are complaining about Inkeeper’s Talent are playing Bo1 vs. Bo3.

No joke...my last 12 games in "Standard Play" (so unranked) on Arena: Mono-Black Discard (loss), Red/Black Lizard Landfall (loss), Mono-Black Discard (loss), Green/Black Forced Mill (loss), Black/White Bats (loss), Mono-Black Discard (loss), Mono-Black Kill with Sheoldred (loss), Mono-Black Discard (loss), Blue/White Control (close loss), Boros MH3 Energy--because I needed a break from Standard for a game (Loss), Mono-Black Discard, Green/Black Forced Mill (loss). None of these was with the same deck, I saw "Fell" easily 15 times, "Feed the Cycle" easily 15 times, the new black discard spell with flashback at least 25 times. It's too much. Something needs to be done, because I do not want to play, or spend money, on a game where I can't have fun. I like playing Green/Red. I like playing Green/Blue. Those are fun to me, but there is almost no way you can win anymore unless you put black mana in nearly everything and be just as slimy and filthy as the slugs that crawl out of half of our fellow players basements when they go upstairs for food.

First time i heard those prices ... This sounds like typical mobagame cash grab... For digital cards i would pay maybe 25 to 30 bucks per deck ... Most likley not even that. 😂 I mean you didn't build them, what takes some fun away plus they are not tier 1 and if they would be than most likely only for a couple of weeks😅 ... Wt ... Gor 80 bucks i want at least 4 tier 2 decks or 2 to 3 tier one decks ...

Im sorry, $50 for a DIGITAL deck? That's not even that good? You can buy a triple AAA game for 60-70$, how's that fair pricing? It's insane to me how expensive digital cards are... $90 gets you almost 2 Bloomburrow bundles, physically. That's 2 boxes, 18 packs, bunch of full art/foil lands and more. How's a digital good of 60 cards almost as expensive as that? It's also locked into your account since Arena doesn't have a market/trade system.

I think Doom Blade is the best card for black. Right now mono-black-wanna-be-8-rack is one of the two rising S-tier decks in the format and having the best targeted removal be useless in a mirror match will do that much more for having less people run the deck. So, so excited for Foundations.

Calling for a Nykthos ban while saying Sorin/Veinripper “is not that bad” is WILD

Honestly after 4 modern rcq's, I feel springheart is worse than nadu for the format. It's the enabler for the infinite loops. The one ring I agree with. Though the ocelot pride in energy would be a card to look at banning.

in my opinion Energy should lose 1 charge every upkeep or endstep

MaRo: "if we couldn't market off of fomo and artifical scarcity then we wouldn't have made this love letter to the community and the game itself that has been widely and positively received online to begin with"

In regards to the ability to quickly program top 8 decks. If they created a tool to make it easy it would be. Practically they could make it as easy as copy and paste in a decklist.

Richard with the tech for secret lair. That would be the perfect system.

Pioneer’s meta is about the most unfun meta I can imagine.