hey cody / yt peeps, need some help here. I am lightshielding and the marth doublejumps towards ledge, and i try to react to his doublejump with a shorthop backwards shine, but he reacts to my shorthop with fair and hits me away. Am i doing something wrong? It should be unreactable right? I might be jumping the gun and pre-emptively jumping oos. Maybe i need to wait for his doublejump to fully start before acting?
The short hop shine is only aimed to hit marth when he double jumps right? if marth just falls down, and i've already short hopped, do i still try and shine him all the way down there?
For the firestall/dsmash scenario where they fair you then side b below stage to stall, can't you marthkiller to ledge the fair then normal getup during their side b bait and short hop/wavedash to ledge before they up b, or will they clip you/beat you to ledge? The scenario I'm talking about is at 9:39.
Is Cody holding the Trigger and Z to light shield or just Z, (I main Sheik and use a PS4 controller to play) whenever I try to grab 60% if the time I light shield which messes up my rhythm and puts me in disadvantage state nearly every time
You can also light shield by barelt pressing down on the shield button. That might resolve your issue if you’re playing on ps4 controller. I assume it’s like macro issue for u
@@faraday7879 I've tried lightly pressing on the triggers and it just full shields, the same thing happens when I play Mario Sunshine when I could be pressing lightly to run and shoot it just full shoots
The Z-button is a macro for lightshield+A. Normally this will result in a grab, but if you press it during some form of lag (e.g. during L-cancel landing lag or during a wavedash), it results in a light shield. A common way around this is to hold L/R and use A to initiate the grab so that if you press A early, you are simply normal shielding and can still move freely. While this is technically possible with Z lightshield as well, most people do not continue holding Z after they input their grab, often because they're mashing. Using A will also allow you to mash grabs as well (not that you should be doing that often though). Really you should just get a GameCube controller, they're pretty cheap. haha
@@artemis-kinkyboikirby5539 lol true but I was referencing a street fighter meme called Flowchart Ken thats stupid yet effective. (and yes I do play Street Fighter and Melee)
3:35 Cody says to hold in towards stage so you can get hit onto stage, but I thought DI was more about influencing the angle, and holding up or down would have more of an impact. Can someone explain this bit too me?
Everything you said was correct. The concept behind DI is that you change the angle that you go towards. If you are sent left or right, then holding up or down would angle it upwards or downwards. If you are sent up or down, then holding right or left would angle it right or left. In the video he was talking about Marth's Fair or Nair. Fair sends at either a Sakurai angle or a 67 degree angle, both of which benefit from DIing towards stage. Nair also sends at either a Sakurai angle or an upwards angle of 100 or 90 degrees. Either way, DIing towards the stage would make landing on stage a guarantee or at least a double jump / air dodge away.
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Thanks for the mention Cody!
silly cody, now I am going to use this tip and be better than you
Thank you for donating your knowledge to my every-growing Melee bible, bards will speak of your name in song for centuries.
I'm writing a textbook for Melee. Lets talk? We can consolidate our work
ayy those are my notes at 3:17
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@@normalrachael thanks babe i love all my fans
I wish the other top characters had a iBDW :[
I feel like Falco had Ginger
I discovered how broken marth killer is about a year ago. I was instantly twice as good at the match up.
FTL OST is quite Pog
this is why i focus on getting spacies out of cc percent bc its much easier to punish and edge gaurd marth
Bro I swear youtube never notifies me when you upload I have the bell and everything
hey cody / yt peeps, need some help here. I am lightshielding and the marth doublejumps towards ledge, and i try to react to his doublejump with a shorthop backwards shine, but he reacts to my shorthop with fair and hits me away. Am i doing something wrong? It should be unreactable right? I might be jumping the gun and pre-emptively jumping oos. Maybe i need to wait for his doublejump to fully start before acting?
FTL music pog
The short hop shine is only aimed to hit marth when he double jumps right? if marth just falls down, and i've already short hopped, do i still try and shine him all the way down there?
Sounds risky. Would just hold the shield at that point.
For the firestall/dsmash scenario where they fair you then side b below stage to stall, can't you marthkiller to ledge the fair then normal getup during their side b bait and short hop/wavedash to ledge before they up b, or will they clip you/beat you to ledge?
The scenario I'm talking about is at 9:39.
Is Cody holding the Trigger and Z to light shield or just Z, (I main Sheik and use a PS4 controller to play) whenever I try to grab 60% if the time I light shield which messes up my rhythm and puts me in disadvantage state nearly every time
You can also light shield by barelt pressing down on the shield button. That might resolve your issue if you’re playing on ps4 controller. I assume it’s like macro issue for u
@@faraday7879 I've tried lightly pressing on the triggers and it just full shields, the same thing happens when I play Mario Sunshine when I could be pressing lightly to run and shoot it just full shoots
The Z-button is a macro for lightshield+A. Normally this will result in a grab, but if you press it during some form of lag (e.g. during L-cancel landing lag or during a wavedash), it results in a light shield. A common way around this is to hold L/R and use A to initiate the grab so that if you press A early, you are simply normal shielding and can still move freely. While this is technically possible with Z lightshield as well, most people do not continue holding Z after they input their grab, often because they're mashing. Using A will also allow you to mash grabs as well (not that you should be doing that often though).
Really you should just get a GameCube controller, they're pretty cheap. haha
@@Bones0 one problem, I'm poor, also i like having grab on my left rather than right
Bless bless Ibbw🙏🏽
The ken flowchart of melee lol
Better than ROB's flowchart 'Down Tilt'
@@artemis-kinkyboikirby5539 lol true but I was referencing a street fighter meme called Flowchart Ken thats stupid yet effective.
(and yes I do play Street Fighter and Melee)
3:35 Cody says to hold in towards stage so you can get hit onto stage, but I thought DI was more about influencing the angle, and holding up or down would have more of an impact. Can someone explain this bit too me?
Everything you said was correct. The concept behind DI is that you change the angle that you go towards. If you are sent left or right, then holding up or down would angle it upwards or downwards. If you are sent up or down, then holding right or left would angle it right or left.
In the video he was talking about Marth's Fair or Nair. Fair sends at either a Sakurai angle or a 67 degree angle, both of which benefit from DIing towards stage. Nair also sends at either a Sakurai angle or an upwards angle of 100 or 90 degrees. Either way, DIing towards the stage would make landing on stage a guarantee or at least a double jump / air dodge away.
All right time to lab that perfect up b
When will Cody ditch this melee shit and just become a teacher
LOL
Good educational content.
When did this z button mechanic get figured out and why does it exist
evgeny kissin video in recommended?
you are a man of taste.
What's the song that starts around 45 seconds in?
The intro to the game Faster Than Light (FTL)
Yo you should do this against zain
High level meta edgeguard 20XX
This didn’t age well....
Great video, but you should put the music that you use in your videos on the description. Authors should be given credit.