Secrets of the Ledge: An Advanced Guide to TAS Ledgedash Inputs in SSBM

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  • @daladex
    @daladex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +385

    every fox is about to come out of quarantine with 16 galint ledgedashes

  • @Faulheit
    @Faulheit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +468

    can we talk about the production quality tho? its impressive how well hax writes scripts

    • @Faulheit
      @Faulheit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @itz_me truee

    • @Zonda1996
      @Zonda1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Mans has been writing thesis’ on melee for a decade, so no surprise his script is so eloquent.

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah he should write porn

    • @plaguedfrost1753
      @plaguedfrost1753 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      alhl ioa
      Yeah bitch, you like that JV5!

    • @juliosnap
      @juliosnap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except he mispronounces "airborne" as "airBORNE"

  • @jchunter21
    @jchunter21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Hax do be lecturing people about this in public restrooms

  • @michaelcastelpoggi1735
    @michaelcastelpoggi1735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    This feeds a deep hunger for learning intricate things about melee. The year really is 2020

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Negative reply

    • @MarcoDToon
      @MarcoDToon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But soon it will be 20FF

    • @suntzu6122
      @suntzu6122 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which frame does ness grab ledge?

  • @IntySSBM
    @IntySSBM 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As Aziz was explaining how it's easier to ledgedash on BF than FD, I could literally feel my ledgedash muscle memory between the two stages, and realized I've been compensating with an appropriate stick angle all this time without consciously choosing to do so. Fucking godlike video.

  • @turndownforwalt
    @turndownforwalt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is very good content

  • @RB92.
    @RB92. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    i cant believe that hax saved melee again

  • @JasonPegis
    @JasonPegis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    “Hey Hax$, what are you going to do during the pandemic?”
    His gaze rises from the CRT into the enigmatic void of this thoughts and understanding of decades of complex mechanics. He turns his head slightly to acknowledge your presence and declares,
    “Something that needs to be done.”

  • @joeschmoe4376
    @joeschmoe4376 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    18 minute video on ledgedashing, papa bless

  • @kilroy89
    @kilroy89 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Reminds me of that video M2K talks about ledgedashing. He mentioned that its often easier to ledge dash after regrabing ledge first, but didnt explain why. That ECB stuff is nuts. I remember someone made. Video recently about Cpt falcon various colors having different ECB values

    • @benjensen7251
      @benjensen7251 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah, I remember that! Melee is nuts lol.
      It was AsumSaus's "High Tier Oddities" in case anyone is curious: th-cam.com/video/O_yy9y25pOE/w-d-xo.html

  • @sdw-hv5ko
    @sdw-hv5ko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    But before we can discuss optimal ECB selection, we need to talk about parallel universes

    • @Harry-McKenzie
      @Harry-McKenzie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      here you go th-cam.com/video/g_zHwKvdiZs/w-d-xo.html

    • @sdw-hv5ko
      @sdw-hv5ko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Harry-McKenzie lmao love the vsauce reference

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right I keep switching dimensions where the timings are different

    • @Yamulo
      @Yamulo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is this a reference to the 1/2 a press m64 video?

    • @sdw-hv5ko
      @sdw-hv5ko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Yamulo yah

  • @trilokshahi9361
    @trilokshahi9361 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I remember getting this lecture in person lmao.

    • @pippincovington1348
      @pippincovington1348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      How did u hide your erection?

    • @Nitro1396
      @Nitro1396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Pippin Covington He was supposed to hide it???

  • @saatvikpalli7958
    @saatvikpalli7958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It's insane, even after almost 20 years, that we're still finding more.

    • @charlona8173
      @charlona8173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This has been known for some years now, that’s why most top fox players refresh their Ecb on the ledge before ledgedashing ;)

  • @23kl104
    @23kl104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I don't even play melee.. but I love hearing a nerd talk thoroughly about his investigations

    • @Project1182
      @Project1182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If you even have the slightest bit of interest in playing this game go for it. I just started playing like a year ago and it's everything i thought it would be. Wish i started sooner.

    • @shoutxv
      @shoutxv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is beyond little you and I my small friend this is greater than all of us and now that you're in theirs no going back

    • @23kl104
      @23kl104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Project1182 I do, however for the moment I enjoy just being a spectator :)

    • @Rael0505
      @Rael0505 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Project1182 I started a year ago too. It's amazing how much I've learned in one year! Set up netplay and play people!

    • @NastyKugogo
      @NastyKugogo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Project1182 right now learnong melee is a lot easier and faster

  • @GimR
    @GimR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video is sick!

  • @thomaskeyser294
    @thomaskeyser294 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I wish anyone and everyone who thinks melee is a "joke" of a fighting game would watch videos like this to see how hard melee players work and optimize their game, and see how intricate it really is

  • @scarl2t
    @scarl2t 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Hax's voice. I like to rewatch these videos whenever im stressed

  • @kneo12
    @kneo12 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No matter what happens to you and your ability to play in tournament these contruibutions and videos will always be greatly appreciated. So focus on this kind of contact and just forget Leffen even exists.

  • @EvilApple567
    @EvilApple567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The pacing in this is better than previous vids, thanks for apparently taking feedback on that.
    Also just a side note: if you use back to drop from ledge for ledgedashes with Fox and are trying to get your best ECB with double jump to ledge, on FD if you use a full back input you'll get a Doraki walljump and probably die.

  • @DelayedLaunch
    @DelayedLaunch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I gotta give this video credit. I could not ledgedash with Fox whatsoever-- but after watching this video, and a week or so of practice, I’ve been utilizing GALINT consistently in real matches and it feels so good.

  • @Rom0.5
    @Rom0.5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how Melee competition is so similar to speedrunning in its mindset. The idea of using this in a 1v1 is actually nuts, we tend to forget it as we are almost used to that kind of dedication and incredible level from the players but man that's incredible.
    Great content, I'm blown away by the quality of your content.

  • @kumotx6175
    @kumotx6175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the quality of this video is insane. melee is so sick.

  • @dbdabomba
    @dbdabomba 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Hey just a heads up you’ll probably want to EQ your vocal audio to lower the high end frequencies, since they’re pretty noticeable. In particular, your “s” and “t” sounds are really loud. Great video otherwise keep up the good work!

    • @mjl167
      @mjl167 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      agreed. itd be easy to do with audacity. Hax has big nuts you can tell by his voice

  • @drakoz254
    @drakoz254 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is an unbelievably well-made video. Clear, consise, complete. Keep it up Hax!

  • @charliethechevilguy
    @charliethechevilguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hax$ you the gosh darn man and im looking forward to the day when you are best in the world

  • @herbmaaster
    @herbmaaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    man where's your running playlist? i remember listening to it on a car ride, it had sonic adventure 2 battle tracks on there, so sick

  • @kitkat9716
    @kitkat9716 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love ur content as always
    Also the production value got better! Damn

  • @jehutyinp
    @jehutyinp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    extremely descriptive and precise with what your talking about i love it! keep it up

  • @Rael0505
    @Rael0505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks Hax!

  • @timothydavis5575
    @timothydavis5575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video and explanation Hax!

  • @RkeyNirun
    @RkeyNirun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great video, thank you so much Hax!

  • @sageosaka
    @sageosaka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was an amazingly well put together video

  • @Acryte
    @Acryte 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    yo hax what was the peach ledge thing that you banned a specific coordinate for in the b0xx doc?

  • @monkey2619
    @monkey2619 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've watched you SD from the ledge too much to take this video seriously. (JK thank you so much!!)

  • @omurcho
    @omurcho 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not even 8 minutes in and I'm already consistently ledgedashing, how the hell kind sir

  • @killaforchicken
    @killaforchicken 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i randomly came across this video and i was like, wow. this guy delivers his content in an extremely concise and easy to understand manner. then i looked at the uploader and i was like, "ohhhhhh, no wonder"

  • @srpaz8292
    @srpaz8292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We don't deserve you man, thank you so much. Amazing video.

  • @taytertot9382
    @taytertot9382 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn I didn’t consider even that tilting down didn’t produce and ff from ledge whereas my full ass smash down is always gonna produce a ff from ledge. Never wanted to learn the away from ledge method. Now I understand much more about my weak ass ledgedashes. Thank you, I’ve got some practicing to do

  • @BaconBurgerKing
    @BaconBurgerKing 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this Hax. Armed with this knowledge, I can go 0-2 in bracket with higher GALINT than I ever imagined.
    In all seriousness the video drastically helped improve my ledgedash consistency and fundamental understanding, and I'm very grateful for that

  • @dmh111
    @dmh111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11:40 hax calls fox box

  • @dontmissthe_elevator
    @dontmissthe_elevator 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man does not miss

  • @uvsvdu
    @uvsvdu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    did you look into using cstick back to drop from the ledge? it seems like you can get full forward jump trajectory, would that be better? i use claw to do this, gets very deep nairs onto the stage from ledge with falcon.

    • @falcoisaniceguy5191
      @falcoisaniceguy5191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also use c-stick back

    • @felixdoyon6546
      @felixdoyon6546 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      uvsvdu i figured it’s AMAZING for scar jumping on yoshis, I get to do my wall jumps extremely high and I keep my double jump for maybe a second aerial or something

    • @DP3mo24hofosho
      @DP3mo24hofosho 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I too use claw cstick ledgedashes and was wanting more info on it. I’ve gotten into arguments before with people who think it’s inconsistent/can’t get max galint and I know for a fact max galint is a reality, and as far as consistency goes I feel like it’s very consistent

    • @riverrunsthrough8268
      @riverrunsthrough8268 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@felixdoyon6546 yeah claw lets you get some really nasty and consistent scar jumps

    • @EvilApple567
      @EvilApple567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@riverrunsthrough8268 I don't see why claw is beneficial for scar jumps. C stick down or away should absolutely be used unless you're going for a fastfall to get very low quickly and catch them by surprise, but all of the inputs until your double jump after the 6(?) inactionable wall jump frames are done with the analog stick which gives you plenty of time to readjust your right thumb from the C stick back to the main buttons.

  • @bb97979
    @bb97979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Our prophet changing Melee. One tech at a time

  • @TheStrvggler
    @TheStrvggler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I personally will drop a lot of times with the c-stick, which is a slow fall. That way im already holding in towards stage for my ledgedash. This is less effective with other characters, but I play Ganon so it works well for me.

  • @jeanetteustin8311
    @jeanetteustin8311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Highly informative - beautiful graphics!

  • @julianlastname5730
    @julianlastname5730 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot believe that people go this deep into this game

  • @ethanlassey5795
    @ethanlassey5795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hax thank you for making this, really informative stuff and I'd hope to see more of it. But my brain is far to small and smooth for this shit

  • @amara7210
    @amara7210 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i always felt like I'd SD more when wavedashing to ledge and immediately ledgedashing versus refreshing invincibility before ledgedashing. looks like it was ECBs. thank you hax$

  • @bigdro5227
    @bigdro5227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please please please continue with this style of content, you're like Magic Scrumpy but not a tool

  • @thelaw3536
    @thelaw3536 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was fantastic!

  • @chobitscs2
    @chobitscs2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    love you father

  • @GayTier1Operator
    @GayTier1Operator 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    second best infomercial after shamwow

  • @gehteuchnichtsan7911
    @gehteuchnichtsan7911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There will be a time where you can study melee in a e-port university. And this will be relevant course material.

  • @hasone3354
    @hasone3354 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Who will be the first fox to bust out the 16 GALINT ledgedash in tourney?

  • @jorgerascon1212
    @jorgerascon1212 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible content

  • @genuwhine6782
    @genuwhine6782 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So its good I learned to ledge dash/practice on yoshis nice

  • @peterlund9299
    @peterlund9299 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is quality content. Please do more, Hax Fucking Money.

  • @marlcoore
    @marlcoore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Already subbed. Thank you for the information.

  • @katsukikubota7549
    @katsukikubota7549 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sick vid.

  • @jtobiasthomasrose
    @jtobiasthomasrose 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the vid. Now I can win all the tournaments.

  • @MaZe741
    @MaZe741 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the year is 20xx, mastering melee is harder than a quantum physics degree

  • @andrew9133
    @andrew9133 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can never get enough in-depth melee mechanic analysis. I can only hope that Hax$ will replace Kadano

  • @SL-pt1ib
    @SL-pt1ib 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much, 20XX Fox God

  • @leavethebasket7435
    @leavethebasket7435 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a god hax

  • @Rintse
    @Rintse 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a legend my guy

  • @tgr3423
    @tgr3423 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This game is fucking insane and I love it

  • @genericdeveloper3966
    @genericdeveloper3966 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I'm going to spend this much energy analyzing something I better get a diploma afterwards.

  • @averagejoessb3110
    @averagejoessb3110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    15:37 omg this part made me lol fr.

    • @Killopotamus
      @Killopotamus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      CTG_AverageJoe 11 characters baybee

    • @zipar3132
      @zipar3132 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The others simply don't exist.

    • @pippincovington1348
      @pippincovington1348 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol yeah shout out to everyone who mains a non-existent character 😂 mid and low tier mains rise up 😤✊

  • @zman4220
    @zman4220 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This changes a lot

  • @n0va25000
    @n0va25000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only thing that changed is that now, I know exactly why I die. Great content nontheless :^)

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You mention that a fast fall can be buffered 3 frames in advance, but I think I might not understand. I'm using the frame advance in uncle punch right now, and it looks to me like (using Falco) I can fast fall on the second frame of fall, and get 4 frames of fall before catch (compared to 10 not fast falling). Doing it on the 3rd frame of fall results in 5 frames of fall. And if I do it on the first frame of fall, it does not fast fall. So it doesn't seem to me like it can be buffered.
    EDIT: I realize my misunderstanding. Buffering doesn't mean "only doing the input in previous frames," but rather, "ALSO doing the input in previous frames." If I start holding down in the first frame of fall, or even 2 frames before that while still on the stage, but then keep holding it through the second, it still works.

  • @ConnorRentz
    @ConnorRentz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lots of love (and a lot of time for such a quick turnaround) went into this one. Enjoy!

  • @lilalexq22
    @lilalexq22 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I could like this twice I would

  • @Chrisuan
    @Chrisuan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2/10, didn't talk about Parallel Universes
    JK, incredibly well-done video! Keep it up

  • @kevinwonnacott5150
    @kevinwonnacott5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why Melee won't die. The players are too dedicated.

  • @ShiftingShadows28
    @ShiftingShadows28 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would be interested in an aerial interrupt video :D (falcon main)

  • @sonic12344628
    @sonic12344628 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    20XX haha gotem

  • @ROFL_661
    @ROFL_661 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My right ledge favoring brain got confused by the stick graphs for a second. And then I was like ohhhh it's the left ledge loll

  • @eddygecko3184
    @eddygecko3184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey hax ur handsome

  • @sharsasuke01
    @sharsasuke01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hax has a voice for radio.

  • @subpanda101
    @subpanda101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How would I enable the unclepunch frame viewer? Is it available on 20xx iso?

    • @GustoFormula
      @GustoFormula 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      UnclePunch refers to Training Mode made by uncle punch and it is its own mod independent of 20XX. smashboards.com/threads/training-mode-v1-1-updated-1-11-19.456449/

  • @poopheadtwenty-seven540
    @poopheadtwenty-seven540 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about using C-stick back/C-stick down to fall from ledge? You dont fast fall or drift back at all from it.

  • @riseofkings4830
    @riseofkings4830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Welcome to Melee University

  • @williamwilliam4944
    @williamwilliam4944 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This game's skill ceiling is ridiculously high.

  • @jdog_7599
    @jdog_7599 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Powerful voice

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As I mention in my other comment, I see the first fast fallable frame as being frame 2 of fall (as Falco). If I fast fall on the 3rd frame, I get 5 total frames of fall, whereas if I fast fall on the 2nd, I get 4 total frames. Am I doing something wrong?
    Maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means to do an input on a frame with frame advance, though. If I say, "I press down on frame 2," to me, that means, "Paused on the 2nd frame of fall, I press down, and advance the frame." Does that mean the input occurs on the third frame?

  • @jmarvins
    @jmarvins 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hax, did you try the different Captain Falcon skins to test whether the modified ECB of each skin affects ledgedash?

  • @skyninegaming
    @skyninegaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can Falco use a ledge fall DJ to change his ECB? And if fox presses away immediate DJ FF back to ledge to refresh, can he preserve ECB that way too?

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid ปีที่แล้ว

    Forbidden knowledge

  • @somniad
    @somniad 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:42 I hate being a Luigi main because I always get barely left off of charts like this lol

  • @yelv
    @yelv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    inc

  • @matthewsommerfield7681
    @matthewsommerfield7681 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    wat a legend

  • @heterodoxagnostic8070
    @heterodoxagnostic8070 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    could you make a video on No Impact Lands?

  • @dxred2553
    @dxred2553 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the year is 2020
    20 in roman numerals is XX
    the year is 20XX

  • @wolfewaffles3530
    @wolfewaffles3530 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do u mean by shallow air dodge closer to the right or close to the very bottom?

    • @sel7506
      @sel7506 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've the same problem xD But just type shallow angle on google image

  • @n0lain
    @n0lain 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does firefox stalling guarantee a good ECB?

  • @prospeedrunner2438
    @prospeedrunner2438 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hax, what angle is the white line at 7:45 ?

  • @jdog_7599
    @jdog_7599 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Green falcon has a larger ECB than neutral falcon. Does this affect anything ledge dashing??? (Please I play green falcon)

  • @TdoubleMJ
    @TdoubleMJ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please make more!!!!

  • @lohst1672
    @lohst1672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will this be on the test?