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Apparently, this game was also supposed to be on PC, but that version was cut. No real reason is known but the best speculation is that the game was too much for that hardware at the time. As for a possible modern port, Sega usually treat those as quick cash-grabs, a bad port for this game could tarnish it's reputation much like what happend to other 3D Sonic games that were given a "remaster" later on.
hopefully the dx12 backend doesn't crash sonic unleashed in future xenia updates, because i reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally want to have a stable experience with it. (vulkan thankfully doesn't cause any crashing, but still has some graphical issues and is generally considered experimental compared to the d3d12 backend.)
PC's not being able to run the game was 100% not the issue. PC's have always been more powerful than consoles and there were games more high end on PC coming out at the time
@@dreamcastdazia4753 yeah I did say this was "speculation" so that may have not been the reason. Though to be fair, it's not surprising to see that this is what people thought because at the time games like GTA IV were on PC but they ran like complete garbage. Granted that port itself was an abomination but still.
@@breezeepeezeewith the Werehog, and Empire city changing Vulkan FBO to FSI in Xenia settings fixes those graphical issues on Canary; it has shader compilation lag the first time, but only the first time. I haven’t seen a explosion of textures by hitting the refresh button after seeing it once And it’s able to be fully playable from intro to credits with 90 fps with no physics issues, I’ve tried 110 fps specifically and after that the physics don’t work consistently; 90 seems like the sweet spot
I heard you can pay for a crummy subscription service to play it on a PS5 without any enhancements at the same low framerate and resolution it had on the PS3
No one ever brings this up, but is it possible it has something to do with the voice cast? Far as I've seen Sega has never re-released any of the games with the 4kids voices.
I wouldn't think so but I suppose it's possible. They didn't have any trouble rereleasing the Adventure games though, which also had a different voice cast
@@drakebell9513 Someone doesn't know what optimization means........ It doesn't look bad but when it runs at 15fps then yeah it looks bad when other games look better and run at a solid framerate. its been 12 years no game could that good that takes 12 years of technology for it to play properly that is just poor design. The pop in is insanely poor too just like Froniters just the linear straightforward level design covers it up Uncharted Last of Us Final Fantasy all look a lot better and run better and there is plenty of games that run at 1080p while unleashed is just an standard 720p there are plenty of insane open world games like red dead. Its not advanced at all and nothing excuses 15fps.
My theory is that they might have licensing issues with the physics engine they used (Havoc) which wasn't an in-house engine so there might be some legal issue if they were to re-release the game without renewing the license. It's still speculation though.
Its kinda not speculation anymore since sonic games that have different engines for physics arent being ported aswell, like sonic heroes/generations etc.
@@KewelsBri they ditched havok for other engines after Forces though : frontiers used the bullet engine, colors ultimate while not developed by ST used Godot (even though the original colors used havok). So no, they don't use havok anymore so even though other games use havok to this day, I still think it's a licensing issue on SEGA's end.
If they just made a few tweaks in a theoretical Unleashed Ultimate, it would easily become my favourite 3D Sonic. Tweaks like medal system overhaul (give all main story stages Lvl.1 gates, extra stages Lvl.2-5 gates and DLC stages Lvl.6-7 gates and reduce the requirement for Lvl.7 from 120 medals to 100 medals), some camera & controls adjustments and a drop shadow for the Werehog.
Something to add some salt into the wound: Before the redo of the PS subscription line and the ending of PS Now (Which had a selection of sonic games from CD to Generations and Unleashed) are gone and havent returned to PS Premium as its Now's replacement. As someone who did play Unleashed from Now intially it sucks to see it not return anywhere else.
I was surprised the other day when I discovered while browsing 360 games that both this game and 06 got re-listed on the 360 store, I’d heard they got delisted but you’re the first person I’ve seen mention the re-listing. I really hope it does get a PC port someday, though. It was planned for a PC release before Generations but the bad performance lead to it getting cancelled, but it was used as the base for Generations, there’s a bunch of commented out code in Generations related to the lighting and effects from Unleashed that weren’t used in Generations, which are patched back in if you run the Unleashed Project.
It says something about me that I wouldn’t buy a new gen Xbox to play unleashed in 60fps But I would buy a new gen Xbox to play 06 with faster load times
That's what I'm saying I want sonic 06 in the new gen consoles but they won't make a remake it's only because of the dumb fans they have the nerve to hate it then ask for a remake like what
@@CoolModderJaydonX the fans did remake it….almost. Project 06 currently has Sonic, Shadow, and Silver’s story available to play, and it’s incredible how much they were able to fix
I've heard of two reasons. One is something to do with the main theme, endless possibilities, and the copyright between it. Two something to do with licensing issues with the havoc engine, and also how the hedgehog engine two works.
from my understanding on the 4k graphics for unleashed, it does change depending on what screen you play it on but playing it on my monitor (which can do 4k60 but 1080 is cleaner on unleashed for some reason) vs the 4k tv, whenever i play it on the tv it looks like it gets upscaled but as I get closer to the tv the pixels begin to show their age, but the tv does clean up the pixels some for some reason which makes the game look like its upscaled, idk how this works if any tech gurus can lead me in the right direction
i just remembered, I changed settings on my TV to make the pixels look sharper so that may be why but other than that there is no upscale for unleashed
Losing the source code for HE1 would be the best theory. It explains why Hedgehog Engine 2 was half baked in Sonic Forces. Because they had to remake the engine from scratch without the original material. This is probably why Frontiers is more refined aswell
the Xbox series s also runs the 360/original Xbox games with the improvements that the one x received in terms of resolution and fps but in terms of resolution it does not run the game in 4k but in 2k but with the same improvements
coincidentally it's also the most stable way to play sonic unleashed at 60fps since xenia still has a long way to go (which kinda sucks, as unleashed is the only boost game i haven't played nearly as often :p)
@@roguereaver634 yeah that's true, especially with red dead redemption. i generally find that 60fps and above is a great qol improvement and makes it far more playable to me.
best thing u can do is emulate it with xenia with mods on. it looks better, improves the game itself with mods and just has mods itself, 60 fps and most issues that the emulation has can just be delt with easily with the use of mods. it sucks it's the only way cuz at this point i don't think it will ever come to pc. most likely they will just remake it if people want it that badly but idk if they would go so far for a game that in their eyes flopped
"you can legally play it." I purchased this game several times, no guilt over downloading the rom. If Sega cares that much how about they do a proper remaster of the game.
the thing with sonic unleashed not being on pc is definitively NOT because of the source code being lost. my source is this video here that explains it better, but is in spanish as i'm venezolan: th-cam.com/video/R-1nL3U3FtI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=JamesBlood
I just bought the Series S for $300 and I can play Sonic Unleashed the exact same. Besides, I would’ve shelled out $500 on an Xbox for the other backwards compatible games, not just Sonic Unleashed. I really wonder why people forget the Series S exists.
What is they put all of the Sonic Unleashed versions in a bundle, so when you go to open the game you have the option to choose which version you want to play.
It would be cool if Sonic Unleashed was released on Modern Hardware and it sucks that it isn't its a really great game. I wish Sega would take some ideas from fan made Sonic Games and make the levels in each game longer instead of them being short, such a snore fest and a lack of creativity.
SEGA probably thinks it's just an average game. People who like Sonic Unleashed mostly talk about the boost stages being great. But they don't talk much about the Werehog. Because Sonic Unleashed was criticized because of Werehog stages. And Werehog takes more than half of the game. Maybe this could explain why SEGA won't port Unleashed.
I honestly just want it ported, I don’t want to shell out 300$ for an Xbox just to play a game at a good framerate, besides, even if the port job is sloppy modders will clean it up, like they did with colors ultimate.
@@roguereaver634 Yes I've had my buddy who knows about these things check it out for me. I simply cannot see past 30FPS and many people legitimately cannot. Humans are actually such a complex species that more than any other race on Earth the variability between humans is vastly different. Some of us simply cannot see frame rates faster than 30FPS.
I never did understand the overall love for Unleashed. Like sure, I get it if you just love the Day levels, but considering Night levels make up the majority of the game and that the Night stages are a major slog; I just don't get the overall appeal.
I guess I'm one of those rare people who actually like the night stages haha. Sure, they're super long but I find the combat and platforming fun (way better than Frontiers). It gets even better after upgrading the Werehog and accessing more techniques both to beat enemies but also finish levels faster.
game is difficult so it feels like a true adventure. takes forever to 100%. night stages are slow paced but a nice change of pace and makes getting to the next day stage feel all the more rewarding. beautiful art direction. a nice story. beautiful CGI cutscenes. that about sums it up for me
@@rigel_starr I would take the Werehog over the mecha & treasure hunting stages from SA2 any day, honestly. The camera during platforming may be a tad derpy at times but the combat is genuinely enjoyable. Especially now that it's 60fps on XSX.
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Apparently, this game was also supposed to be on PC, but that version was cut. No real reason is known but the best speculation is that the game was too much for that hardware at the time.
As for a possible modern port, Sega usually treat those as quick cash-grabs, a bad port for this game could tarnish it's reputation much like what happend to other 3D Sonic games that were given a "remaster" later on.
hopefully the dx12 backend doesn't crash sonic unleashed in future xenia updates, because i reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally want to have a stable experience with it. (vulkan thankfully doesn't cause any crashing, but still has some graphical issues and is generally considered experimental compared to the d3d12 backend.)
PC's not being able to run the game was 100% not the issue. PC's have always been more powerful than consoles and there were games more high end on PC coming out at the time
@@dreamcastdazia4753 yeah I did say this was "speculation" so that may have not been the reason.
Though to be fair, it's not surprising to see that this is what people thought because at the time games like GTA IV were on PC but they ran like complete garbage. Granted that port itself was an abomination but still.
@@breezeepeezeewith the Werehog, and Empire city changing Vulkan FBO to FSI in Xenia settings fixes those graphical issues on Canary; it has shader compilation lag the first time, but only the first time. I haven’t seen a explosion of textures by hitting the refresh button after seeing it once
And it’s able to be fully playable from intro to credits with 90 fps with no physics issues, I’ve tried 110 fps specifically and after that the physics don’t work consistently; 90 seems like the sweet spot
source: trust me
*Also you can play all 6 DLCs with Xbox Backwards compatibility.*
the fact Sega re listed 06 and Unleashed is beyond amazing ...
if only it was on something else than Xbox
Well that was in 2010
I heard you can pay for a crummy subscription service to play it on a PS5 without any enhancements at the same low framerate and resolution it had on the PS3
You can play unleashed on series x because of backwards compatibility, as for 06, I'm not sure
No one ever brings this up, but is it possible it has something to do with the voice cast? Far as I've seen Sega has never re-released any of the games with the 4kids voices.
I wouldn't think so but I suppose it's possible. They didn't have any trouble rereleasing the Adventure games though, which also had a different voice cast
The fact a 2020 console running a graphically sub par 2008 game at 4k 60 is an achivement really shows something
You think sonic unleased is graphically subpar....? The game that was too graphically advanced for the consoles it was originally released on?
@@drakebell9513 Someone doesn't know what optimization means........ It doesn't look bad but when it runs at 15fps then yeah it looks bad when other games look better and run at a solid framerate. its been 12 years no game could that good that takes 12 years of technology for it to play properly that is just poor design. The pop in is insanely poor too just like Froniters just the linear straightforward level design covers it up Uncharted Last of Us Final Fantasy all look a lot better and run better and there is plenty of games that run at 1080p while unleashed is just an standard 720p there are plenty of insane open world games like red dead. Its not advanced at all and nothing excuses 15fps.
Graphically subpar maybe, but the artstyle is a reason why it still looks amazing to this day.
@@dracogram9580 Oh yeah don't get me wrong it looks pretty but not groundbreaking or anything that justifies 15fps
@@alumlovescake Yeah I know, I was just saying it looks good, I wasn't saying the framerate was justified.
I would cry if they released unleashed on pc. I want it so badly.
I would love to play Sonic Unleashed on PC
My theory is that they might have licensing issues with the physics engine they used (Havoc) which wasn't an in-house engine so there might be some legal issue if they were to re-release the game without renewing the license.
It's still speculation though.
Its kinda not speculation anymore since sonic games that have different engines for physics arent being ported aswell, like sonic heroes/generations etc.
Havok is still used to this day. There's no way it has anything to do with Havok.
@@KewelsBri published but not republished.
@@KewelsBri they ditched havok for other engines after Forces though : frontiers used the bullet engine, colors ultimate while not developed by ST used Godot (even though the original colors used havok).
So no, they don't use havok anymore so even though other games use havok to this day, I still think it's a licensing issue on SEGA's end.
They ported a game that also uses Havok though
If they just made a few tweaks in a theoretical Unleashed Ultimate, it would easily become my favourite 3D Sonic.
Tweaks like medal system overhaul (give all main story stages Lvl.1 gates, extra stages Lvl.2-5 gates and DLC stages Lvl.6-7 gates and reduce the requirement for Lvl.7 from 120 medals to 100 medals), some camera & controls adjustments and a drop shadow for the Werehog.
Something to add some salt into the wound: Before the redo of the PS subscription line and the ending of PS Now (Which had a selection of sonic games from CD to Generations and Unleashed) are gone and havent returned to PS Premium as its Now's replacement. As someone who did play Unleashed from Now intially it sucks to see it not return anywhere else.
I was surprised the other day when I discovered while browsing 360 games that both this game and 06 got re-listed on the 360 store, I’d heard they got delisted but you’re the first person I’ve seen mention the re-listing. I really hope it does get a PC port someday, though. It was planned for a PC release before Generations but the bad performance lead to it getting cancelled, but it was used as the base for Generations, there’s a bunch of commented out code in Generations related to the lighting and effects from Unleashed that weren’t used in Generations, which are patched back in if you run the Unleashed Project.
Yeah i play that game all the time "legally"
I was always yearning to play this game since i was a young teen. Now i get to play it on my little brother's Xbox.
I play it often on my series s. It looks so good at 60 fps. The patch also applies to series s and Xbox One
I don't have the new Xbox so I just emulate it on rpcs3.
It says something about me that I wouldn’t buy a new gen Xbox to play unleashed in 60fps
But I would buy a new gen Xbox to play 06 with faster load times
That's what I'm saying I want sonic 06 in the new gen consoles but they won't make a remake it's only because of the dumb fans they have the nerve to hate it then ask for a remake like what
@@jboyathegamer Maybe the fans hate the original 06 and that's _why_ they want a remake.
@@CoolModderJaydonX the fans did remake it….almost. Project 06 currently has Sonic, Shadow, and Silver’s story available to play, and it’s incredible how much they were able to fix
@@IkeTheBot I hope Sega notices it and makes it an official release on consoles.
still can't get over the size of that giant brick...image the heat radiating from that thing.
I've heard of two reasons. One is something to do with the main theme, endless possibilities, and the copyright between it. Two something to do with licensing issues with the havoc engine, and also how the hedgehog engine two works.
They also know how much we want Adventure remakes.
from my understanding on the 4k graphics for unleashed, it does change depending on what screen you play it on but playing it on my monitor (which can do 4k60 but 1080 is cleaner on unleashed for some reason) vs the 4k tv, whenever i play it on the tv it looks like it gets upscaled but as I get closer to the tv the pixels begin to show their age, but the tv does clean up the pixels some for some reason which makes the game look like its upscaled, idk how this works if any tech gurus can lead me in the right direction
i just remembered, I changed settings on my TV to make the pixels look sharper so that may be why but other than that there is no upscale for unleashed
Losing the source code for HE1 would be the best theory. It explains why Hedgehog Engine 2 was half baked in Sonic Forces. Because they had to remake the engine from scratch without the original material. This is probably why Frontiers is more refined aswell
I still have my 360 copy on my shelf and I play my series X constantly. Why didn’t I know about this fps boost?
the Xbox series s also runs the 360/original Xbox games with the improvements that the one x received in terms of resolution and fps but in terms of resolution it does not run the game in 4k but in 2k but with the same improvements
coincidentally it's also the most stable way to play sonic unleashed at 60fps since xenia still has a long way to go
(which kinda sucks, as unleashed is the only boost game i haven't played nearly as often :p)
Xenia is actually pretty good these days so long as you download the game specific patches
@@roguereaver634 yeah that's true, especially with red dead redemption. i generally find that 60fps and above is a great qol improvement and makes it far more playable to me.
If you play on the Vulkan backend it will play from start to finish
I played this game on my cousins high end gaming pc & it runs really well on RPCS3 with some cool shaders.
Rpcs3 is still a terrible option for most people
@@alumlovescake its not if you have a low end pc
Getting a xbox is the best thing you can do
@@TH-rx1kt Rpcs3 shill much?
sorry a AMD Ryzen 7 7700X is too weak for you
It also plays on the Xbox Series S at 60fps too like all the other xbox 360 backwards compatible games
Dude I’ve been playing this game for months
best thing u can do is emulate it with xenia with mods on. it looks better, improves the game itself with mods and just has mods itself, 60 fps and most issues that the emulation has can just be delt with easily with the use of mods. it sucks it's the only way cuz at this point i don't think it will ever come to pc. most likely they will just remake it if people want it that badly but idk if they would go so far for a game that in their eyes flopped
you forgot to mention that you can play unleashed at 60fps on the series s too
Did bro forget he could make it 4k
unleashed or not 🛻 he's still sonic/shadow.
You can buy a Series S to play Unleashed at 60fps as well.
I have a copy of this I still can play and when i saw the title i thought i was doing something illegal because i read it wrong.
Oh no not again...
I almost bought sonic was holding a keyblade 💀
Sega is literally never porting it at this point:(
"you can legally play it."
I purchased this game several times, no guilt over downloading the rom. If Sega cares that much how about they do a proper remaster of the game.
and here we are, 2024, where sega announced a remaster of generations... but not unleashed... great
I'm still flabbergasted by this lol
the thing with sonic unleashed not being on pc is definitively NOT because of the source code being lost.
my source is this video here that explains it better, but is in spanish as i'm venezolan:
th-cam.com/video/R-1nL3U3FtI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=JamesBlood
1:34 same lmao
I wouldn't mind an accessible wsy to properly playvthis game.
I just bought the Series S for $300 and I can play Sonic Unleashed the exact same. Besides, I would’ve shelled out $500 on an Xbox for the other backwards compatible games, not just Sonic Unleashed. I really wonder why people forget the Series S exists.
It being on Xbox Series S: I’ve always been playing it legally
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Imagine if they remastered the Wii version instead.
Ideally they'd do both, but I'm not sure how likely that is.
They did 'remaster' for PS2 lmao
What is they put all of the Sonic Unleashed versions in a bundle, so when you go to open the game you have the option to choose which version you want to play.
If they did that I would’ve been in Spain without the a
Nice.
PSN ended. Sony canceled it for some reason. So eh.
PS3/Vita’s PSN is still up. They backed out on shutting it down
I managed to get a mint copy at Walmart (360) for $12
That's a common price for SU if not factory sealed
just so you know you can get an xbox series S for 200-250 and still play unleashed at 60fps, you don't need the series X for 500
It would be cool if Sonic Unleashed was released on Modern Hardware and it sucks that it isn't its a really great game. I wish Sega would take some ideas from fan made Sonic Games and make the levels in each game longer instead of them being short, such a snore fest and a lack of creativity.
It bugs me so dam much that SA1 and SA2 is on steam, but not unleashed. SA is older than unleashed!!
Yeah, Sega re-listed it after realizing it had a fanbase
Sonic Unleashed is NOT in the PS Classics in all regions.
legal
just like alex bird???
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Generations remake came out of unleashed remake requests. 🤦♂️ Sega is too dumb
SEGA probably thinks it's just an average game. People who like Sonic Unleashed mostly talk about the boost stages being great. But they don't talk much about the Werehog.
Because Sonic Unleashed was criticized because of Werehog stages. And Werehog takes more than half of the game. Maybe this could explain why SEGA won't port Unleashed.
I don't trust SEGA with a Unleashed port, since I already want to buy an xbox this satisfies me.
I honestly just want it ported, I don’t want to shell out 300$ for an Xbox just to play a game at a good framerate, besides, even if the port job is sloppy modders will clean it up, like they did with colors ultimate.
I play on my xbox 360😮
I would pay €60 again
Better than Forces, still
Generally I say no because it was quite bad with input delay and I can't imagine playing it on a keyboard with segas terrible default controls
Still can't see frame rate differences past 30 FPS, still don't get why others care so much about it as such.
You sure your TV/monitor isn't locked to 30?
With a game this fast? It makes a difference when playing.
@@roguereaver634 Yes I've had my buddy who knows about these things check it out for me. I simply cannot see past 30FPS and many people legitimately cannot. Humans are actually such a complex species that more than any other race on Earth the variability between humans is vastly different. Some of us simply cannot see frame rates faster than 30FPS.
@@Sydney_Angelyt Not if you can't see it my man. Some of our eyes simply do not work that way.
Never
I never did understand the overall love for Unleashed. Like sure, I get it if you just love the Day levels, but considering Night levels make up the majority of the game and that the Night stages are a major slog; I just don't get the overall appeal.
I guess I'm one of those rare people who actually like the night stages haha. Sure, they're super long but I find the combat and platforming fun (way better than Frontiers). It gets even better after upgrading the Werehog and accessing more techniques both to beat enemies but also finish levels faster.
game is difficult so it feels like a true adventure. takes forever to 100%. night stages are slow paced but a nice change of pace and makes getting to the next day stage feel all the more rewarding. beautiful art direction. a nice story. beautiful CGI cutscenes. that about sums it up for me
@@rigel_starr I would take the Werehog over the mecha & treasure hunting stages from SA2 any day, honestly.
The camera during platforming may be a tad derpy at times but the combat is genuinely enjoyable. Especially now that it's 60fps on XSX.
I find this game mediocre, and not as good as a game like Shadow the Hedgehog or 06 (in my opinion), but it's still really enjoyable!
Are you serious ?
@@Partysepe-vs6jk What?
Am I not allowed to have my own, separate opinion from others?
*I disagree.*
@@Jack_Saint_Archive Well it’s my opinion anyway, you’re entitled to yours!
@@avcables_ you are good just thought you were joking for a second yes you can have your own opinion
Someone does know, they just don’t wanna say it to the public🥲