2009-2012 Porsche 911 (997.2) Buyers Guide: Everything but Turbo and GT models
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Join us Wednesday, October 26th, at 8PM EDT, for another episode of Tech Tactics Live! This episode’s topic is the 2009-2012 911 (997) Buyers Guide. We have Tech Tactics Live fan favorite Nathan Merz joining us to help navigate through what to look for when shopping for the last of the 997-generation cars. On this show, we’ll focus on the "regular" 911’s and special editions. No Turbos or GT3’s.
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The 997.2 is absolutely the sweet spot for the 911. Has the classic looks with modern amenities.
Agreed. Glad you enjoyed the video🙌
I agree, and I want a white one with a ducktail spoiler
@@justinthomas2880 you read my mind 😁
at 46:00 minutes they used pictures of my actual Targa 4S currently has 6200 miles on it. Love it so much!!!
Thanks for the video.
I just a 997.2 C4S from 2009 in Switzerland and I’m absolutely in love with my car. Despite of its 147’000 km roughly 91’350 miles it just looks pristine as it has been always serviced at Porsche and the previous owners took care of it. Also the built quality of the interior it’s incredible (mine has the full leather package). I hope engine and pdk hold up on their reputation. Market here is pretty wild though. My Porsche with 40’000 dolars of original extras cost me 60’000 dolars. GTS are a 15’000.- to 20’000 bump and turbos 10’000 more.
There was mention of the 997 being light, but the 991 is actually lighter than the 997 (even though it’s larger) due to them using aluminum panels in the newer models.
You are correct, the 991 actually comes in slightly lighter than the 997.2 which was quite the achievement since the car physically grew in most measurements. Weight of course is highly specific depending on model configuration, option, transmission, etc.
991.1 yes. 991.2 is heavier due to turbos etc.
What an amazing source of information Nathan is on these cars. Really great video!
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I love my 997.2!
Something that wasn’t mentioned in the carbon vs steel brake comparison was steering feel. I switched from carbon to steel in a previous 911 for track reasons; the steering was much more responsive with PCCB. Most likely due to increased unsprung weight with ss brakes. Great video! Thanks.
Great video, the 997.2 is my all time favorite Porsche
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@50:15 the buckets are standard equipment on the Carrera 4S “Launch Edition” (meteor gray cars)…
Thank you gentlemen.
Our pleasure!
Great content 😊🎉
I have a 2010 997.2 4S Cab & it's the perfect 911 for me. Everyone has their sweet spot & I hope they eventually find it.
thats the one i want-mind revealing what you paid for and the mileage?
Another great video, Vu, your the man, but Nathan's expertise is just off the charts. As a proud 996 owner, always warms my heart when you both show the car the respect it deserves as you did once again early in the show. Should, but never will silent all the air-cooled snobs out there that will just never give it its due, which is fine with me since the hate is what keeps it so affordable!!!
We agree!
Great video! Shame his audio kept cutting out.
Great video.
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I’ve owned a 09 997.2 C4S 6sp cabriolet for close to 10 years. It’s approaching 80k miles - 60k miles are mine - and I love it. Major work that I’ve undertaken around the 60-70k miles are replacing the cabriolet hydraulic arms, suspension overhaul and 3 out of 4 window motors. The PCM was getting wonky so I’ve replaced it with a pioneer unit and an Audison dsp, which is an improvement on performance. I wish Porsche had come out with a head unit upgrade, which I’m sure it will in time. None are cheap repairs but I’ve not spared costs to keep the car running in top condition - and the car does not fail me. It’s still tight, reliable and super balanced to drive. It’s by far the longest I’ve kept a car and I don’t see myself selling this car anytime soon. I also own an 86 3.2 Turbo look Targa which I’ve recently acquired. I think that’s another keeper - but that’s another story for another day! Best, David (from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)
PS - I imported the car from the UK as I couldn’t find a similar spec with a manual transmission locally. So I’m a little wary of rust issues because of winter salt on UK roads - but so far so good!
@@davidmorais2394 I'm also in KL..how was the import ? Did you need AP ? I'm in ara damansara.looking too.
The longhorn car! Saw this on BaT. Too funny.
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I don't know why people call the PDK a manual. The internals are similar to a manual transmission, but a manual is a manual, meaning you have to manually disengage the transmission and manually shift a lever to select a gear. You can skip gears to select whatever you want. Autos include dual clutch, single clutch, torque converters, CVTs, etc., and they have automatic mechanisms for disengaging the transmission and relaying gear selections to automatic gear actuators.
Right? Sportomatic was a manual. PDK is an automatic. A fantastic automation…
Have you done a similar vlog regarding the 997.2 Turbo and Turbo S? I purchased my dream car, a 2011 997.2 Turbo S Coupe in Carrera White (1 of 78 brought to the US), on consignment from our Porsche dealership after the original owner became more enamored with a 2011 GT2. I searched a year for this vehicle and love everything about it.
I got one in white too. It’s a monster. Nauseates me sometimes when I drive it
I also have a 2012 Carrera White Turbo S! How did you find out how many came to the US!? I’ve heard that only around 3,000 997.2 Turbo S coupes built period.
Can you do a similar video for 997.1?
Can someone link the rob sass sand beige touch up article?
Thanks for this, good info. I have a 2010 997.2 Targa 4 - Canadan car. The headlights are not bi-xenon, perhaps US cars all had that headlight style? Also, no alcantara headliner, where Nathan mentioned all 997's had that headliner. Perhaps because mine is a Targa?
I also noticed the PDK shift paddles on the GTS car had large "flappy paddles" on the steering wheel with - on the left and + on the right. Mine has the thumb switch on the wheel for + and the finger switch for - on both sides of the steering wheel. Can my version be changed to the floppy paddles? (much better implementation.)
Cheers
@@marks-the-spot Thank you
I have a 2011.
Bi Xenon was an upgrade and came with the ugly LED tail lights ( which I immediately replaced )
The steering wheel showed here is the Sports steering wheel which was an option as well.
Same for alcantara, never standard.
Where is the video for the turbo????
I’m currently shopping 997.2…. Is there a mileage breakpoint I should stay below? I’ve noticed big price differentials and I’m wondering are there maintenance risks at certain mileage I should consider?
Good question for RennList but as another prospective buyer, I've just heard:
- still susceptible to bore scoring for the 997.2, but thought to be at a more acceptable rate
- lifetime mileage you'd expect 150k to 200k at least (!), but, better maintenance and higher mileage is better than lower mileage and non-diligent maintenance
- get a PPI on any car, so the question could be moot.
- I'm personally looking for 70k or less, well-maintained, and would expect to pay a little more for it (may be a 991.2 though for the 9A2 engine and new cylinder lining)
Cal, have you found a car yet?
99% of watchers can't afford one. 95% of commenters saying they're buying one, don't do 🙂
Bore score on the 997.2 must also starting to appear right?
Don’t think so !
I wish you guys would go to bottom with the real issues. Bore Score, the spun camshaft and leaking coolingsystem on 996, 997 Turbo.
Love this channel, kerp it coming 🫶🏻
Wer're recording a detailed, multi part video about bore scoring in the next few weeks. Should be out in the beginning of 2023.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica
Im a very happy owner of a 996 4S 2003. But looking further for a new 911. So Im a potential byer for a 997 Turbo gen.1
But all talk about the spun camshaft scare me away. On forums its all over the place.
Jake Ruby says its a potential problem but the issue seems to be shut up by Porsche or others? Not any review from youtubers on 997 Turbo, not even from the famous ones like Demuro, Nick Murray or UKs 9WERKS TV or PCA never mention this issue. Is the problem a forumghost or is it real?🤷🏼
looking forward to watch the upcoming bore score video. 🙏🏻😊
The event is on the 997.2…. So 2 of the 3 issues you ask about don’t apply.
@@dp_NYCagreed no probs in the .2 I have a cab its fkin mustard
Do you think PTS increases the value at all?
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Any reason you didn't include the turbo (s)?
Are there obvious downsides of Turbo's?
997.1 TT with manual transmission are amazing vehicles. Last of the Metger engines with manual transmissions. if you have chance to buy, do it.
my 997.2 has only one bulb per headlight. You mention they are all bi-xenon.... can you shed light? Also, one of the reasons I like this style 19" wheel is that it is one half inch wider than most every other 997 rear wheel...
Some have dynamic turning lights (Iforgot their exact name)
PDLS
Wow, $30K off sticker back in 2011 for a GTS, wonder if that will happen again...
God I wish I had the money for a 997.2
Hate porsche snobs but love Porsche.
We do too!
There are snobs in every hobby.
I thought carbon was better then steel, for track brakes- lighter, and less overheating?
PCCB can last forever on the street. On the track they can overheat and crack…and cost $10,000 to replace them.
Wasn't there supposed to be info on trends and valuation? Otherwise, well done.
For buyer guides, we try to keep the content relevant for the future so we usually don't discuss current market values. We do other shows that are strictly about current market trends.
Pretty sure I wasn't the only one who thought "values and trends for the future" in the notice from Columbia Valley Luxury Cars meant current values and future trends.
What’s the point of the countdown ?
The show is recorded live and is uploaded directly as is.
nice looking production but you gotta dress those ifbs a little better, hangin all over the place there! 😂devil is in the details...
QUIT THE COUNTDOWN! IRRITATING WAIT.
Ditto on that!
So unnecessary
Why 911. 997.2 cabriolet are cheaper than coupe
It's a personal preference. Perhaps the complexity of a cabriolet and/or inherent less stiff chassis is the reason for most.
Im gonna get this car one day. Damn it I will. What a beauty. Good God look just look at it!
For some reason I wasn't able to see any comments on tonight's show and unable to ask a question. I sure wished you would've asked your viewers out there a head of time about bringing in a basic 997.2 Carrera because I would've drove my car over from Kansas City, I was on vacation this week. I've got a 2012 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet 997.2 with only 26,700 miles on it. Great show! But my question would've been about value of the cars $ ?
I personally think that the used car market is asking far too much for these cars. They are GREAT cars, no doubt, but they’re aren’t exclusive or really anything special to be asking $50,000 for an example that 14 years old with 60,000 miles on the odometer. These things should be going for $30k - $35k all day for a standard 2S model with a stick.
“Should be…” but once the values began to climb rarely do they ever return to where they “should be.”
Agree
They are in 2020, then the word got out...
Maybe but the reason the asking is high is because buyers are spending.
Supply/Demand Curve… it’s basic economics. Pay up or shut up.
Get a Mezger the rest is .... too innovative.
Welcome to Quantitative Tightening. With the Chinese economy in the crapper, now Prosche feels the need to redirect allocation to the U.S. At no time did the demand for Porsche product line fall off in the U.S. Now all of a sudden we are important again. This is how you treat a customer becasue it's a one time transaction. The U.S. marekt consist of Clients that a company like Porache needs to build relationships with Clients because we do repeat business, give referrals, and never ask for discount because we know their are no free rides.
No. Sports cars are better with manual transmissions. PDK is dumb, maybe faster, but still dumb. The end!
I love mine pal it a fkin belter
they all have bore scoring that makes them a rolling grenade for the engine to self detonate...no mater what you do.
rrrrrrriiggghttt
How to over-pay for an overpriced car.
Worst host just let the other guy talk