Tech Tactics LIVE: Buy a 2005-2008 (987.1) Porsche Boxster/Cayman now - What you need to know
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In Episode 24 of Tech Tactics Live, we're talking about the 987.1 Cayman and Boxster, one of the best values in the current used-Porsche market, and why you should buy one now. Joining us tonight is Nathan Merz, Owner of Columbia Valley Luxury Cars, Porsche Panorama contributor, and PCA Tech Committee Member.
Episode aired March 17 at 8 PM EDT.
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‘07 Base Cayman- Bought it at European Collectibles (Costa Mesa) in 2020 for $12,900 with 124k miles. A doctor traded it in for a 356. Before I purchased the 1 owner Cayman it received a major service which included coils & plugs. Still drives like a dream at 134k miles with absolutely no issues.
What a steal, may I ask how much parts n labor was? Did you have it done in Costa Mesa?
Have a Porsche Cayman 987.1 base version 2.7 l / 245 HP from 2008 and still running great all original the first Cayman has the purist design of them all and these base engines can run easily 200.000 miles with no issues at all and drives better then any 911 !
Still miss mine!
I’d have to agree, I own a 2014 981, I have A PLUS on the rear tag
2007 Cayman 987.1 base owner here. Had it for 1.5 years with 92k miles. Blast to drive
At 5:14 Nathan says that "If (Porsche) had introduced that car first, we might very well never have had a Carrera, not have a 911..." Of course context is everything, so we can overlook the 550 and 715 Spyders. But if you go back far enough in time to Porsche #1, it was a mid-engined car. Porsche still chose to move to focus on the rear engined 356's because they are more efficient when it comes to storage space.
Great balanced video after watching the Tech Tactics on bore scoring for these M97.21 engines. I feel much better about my 987.1 CS, mostly southern car with 44K miles and all maintenance history. Other than preventive water pump, drive belt, and cable shifters, it's been a dream to drive!
I bought a Cayman S 2006 for 14k w 85k miles on it. I spent 4k for electrics and tyres. I have never had one issue. Zero. It is now at 115k and roaring. It looks and drives so stunningly good. Best car deal I ever made.
Very nice!
Cayman is a true sports car hands down and the boxstet too!!
Great Video you guys! PCGB member here in UK! Fell foul to the old tyres on my 987C 2006 when bought I 3 yrs ago, needed full set of new Mich PS and new rubber, made huge difference! also Stock brakes on 2.7 was not good with non Porsche parts. Fitted new quality OEM discs and Brembo sport 2000 pads and huge difference to bite on Track and street. also easy to fit OE GT3 plastics brake ducts on front for cheap aid to cooling on track days.
air con on mine just died so very expensive for new rads and such.. and a big expense especially as a 3rd car!
But love the Base cayman and sweet engine sound. Want to open up my engine bay now and clean it lol 😆
Thanks for info.
I have a 2005 987 Boxster, very fun video to watch and relate to! Happy st Patrick’s day!
I’ve owned my 987.1 base for five years. Still a blast to own, hope to keep it a long time.
Had my base 987 for 3 years, absolutely love it, they will have to take the key from my cold dead hand.
Speaking of harsh chemicals, touch less car washes use harsh chems to resolve dirt and grime. The headlights often get cloudy from the chems.
Thank you for the nice tribute to Ms. Schmidt. Great episode guys. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Wow, I wish I had seen this before I bought mine. Great info still! I had heard about the IMS issue but it did not deter me from getting the S. I’m learning bit by bit what to look for and how to properly drive it, and it is different from my other cars. First thing was to take it to my mechanic for a thorough look over, found a couple of small things but nothing big. It’s only got 44k on it but it’s become my new daily. Thanks again for such great content!
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Great episode! Im looking to buy my first Porsche and this is exactly what I needed! The tribute at the end was beautiful
Just purchased 2006 Cayman S. One owner/Flawless 22K miles! Glad to have found this video
Congratulations!
just test drove a 987.1 manual today. pretty much as people described it. easy to drive. the full leather interior was very nice. and all controls (steering, brakes, clutch, shifter) were light and smooth. ride was acceptably smooth too. all in all very pleasant.
Great to hear!
I have mine black cayman S 2007 by 15 years... I love it ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Please do a 987.2 show (Unless I missed previously) thanks for support for those of us with “base” cars. 2011 Cayman
We'll put a 987.2 show on the list of potential future topics. Glad you enjoyed the show!
@@PorscheClubofAmerica another question, looking at a 2007 that has a spoiler kit on it, does that impact the price? it was nicely done but not sure if it will distract from the price of 18K has 90K miles on it, Cayman...
I would love to see a video of Nathan’s special 987.1 as well. Perhaps another video?
Just picked up a 160k mile 2006 987.1 S sight unseen and I am in love
Bought a 2006 Cayman S in 20202 fro 22K 120K miles 1 owner gararge kept. Carrara While with Martini stripes. Runs great.
Thank you Pirrelli
I bought a 2007 cayman S with 90,000 miles for $24,000 in Dec of 2019.
A bit high but it has quality coilovers, deepsump baffled oil pan, air oil separator and a $4,000. wheel tire combo.
All records, clean history, absolutely mint inside and out. headliner perfect. no bore scoring, or smoke on start up.
I added gt3 lower control arms and changed the oil to motul, 9.5 quarts total.
I just couldn't be happier.
I'm thinking of changing shift cables and clutch along with all the bushings etc. belts and all new fluids along wthl any and all 100,000 mile recommended service.
Does this sound right? anything else you can think of?
On the HVAC knobs, I used q-tips with rubbing alcohol which took all the ugly off. Then I painted the knobs with model paint and a fine brush and they look stock fabulous.
Great idea!
Acrylic or enamel?
Same as below 2007. 2.7 cayman, I had a bulb go once......Joking, ''they just don't break easy, and i don't drive slow''
I just test drove an 08 base Cayman. Great car, but hand on heart honest to God, my 2011 Miata is more fun to drive. At least on the kinds of roads I was able to take the Cayman on. The Porsche has a lot more power and grip and yadda yadda, but the shifter is straight out of an economy car and the gearing is long. It's quite a big serious thing compared to the zippy-zappy whimsy of the Mazda. That said, the look and sound of the Cayman were so beautiful I was literally brought to tears. I've been looking at these cars in pictures since they came out, and in person it was even more gorgeous. The one I drove had a lightened flywheel, which was the bomb, and a muffler delete, which was fun but very obnoxious. I think I need one, but it can't replace the Miata. I must get a place with more space.
Love my 2007 Boxster S in Guards Red! Upgraded entertainment system to touch screen/CarPlay/rear camera, rear speakers, subwoofer.
I want to do the same. Did you do it yourself?
@@matiashojas41 No, had it done. In my location (Tucson, AZ), I saved a lot buying tech and installation at Best Buy.
@@filterman0623 Does it look too out of place? Or is it seamless
@@matiashojas41 I got a new panel cover to cover the new radio that matched the Porsche volcanic grey interior paint, so that looks seamless. The USB port to connect my phone was installed in the storage space under the heater/AC control panel and the microphone installed above the rear view mirror. All of that is pretty seamless. The only thing not seamless was the subwoofer. Even the thinnest one (Kicker) was too thick to mount under the seat (as they are intended) so as not to be visible. Instead, I mounted it vertically in the passenger foot well. While visible, it takes up little space there, and was very worth it for improvement in sound quality! The rear speakers were a kit I purchased from Suncoast that was purpose-designed to fit in the rear panel behind the headrests, so that was seamless.
@@filterman0623 Thank you so much this was really helpful
Sniffing the oil is a good idea. Lately I've started tasting it - tells you a lot.
What are thoughts of adding LiquiMoly MOS2 to the engine oil?
Any chance Nathan can comment on the BBS wheels and anything to keep in mind?
Hol' up - an extravagance? A mere toy?
Granted, this isn't gonna be as practical as a wagon or SUV, but I am here to tell you the Cayman is a perfectly usable daily hatchback if you don't have kids. There are times I need to rent a truck for lumber or whatnot, but for 99% of the time? These are actually pretty darn practical. The hatch is perfectly sized for a couple bags of mulch or gravel - more if you want to use the engine cover as a load floor, plus more in the frunk caveat bag size.
Excellent video! Love my 987.1
Glad you enjoyed it!
Does the base 2009 987.2 Boxster have a DFI engine without IMS? Or is the DFI engine only available in the 2009 987.2 Boxster S?
And thaks for the Boxster register forum plug.
No problem. Thanks to the Boxster Register for sharing the video!
Love my RS60. Nothing else to say. Nothing else to get.
I'm selling my 14 981S - it's an amazing car. Amazing and never thought I'd be selling it. Only reason I'm selling? I just bought a 21 GT4.
The Cayman is the best used Porsche, hands down. It's also one of the best Porsches.
I really liked the 987s, but they NAILED the 981. It's a true luxury sports car that brings comfort or raw joy at the push of a button.
@@DaveySharma absolutely. In my opinion, this is the perfect 991 spec. Honestly, I miss the car badly. The GT4 is an epic car, but there is something about the 981 S that is the perfect blend of luxury, comfort, fast and fun.
S, PASM, Sport Chrono, PDLS, Heated/Vented Sport seats, 20" Carrera S wheels, aftermarket AWE exhaust (opened up throttle response and low end torque) , carbon ducktail (added LOADS of rear end stability on the freeway at high speeds)
@@DaveySharma happy new year
Is your 981 still available ? Interested in your 981
Happy motoring
@@DaveySharma sorry for the mix up
Austin, Texas 07 Cayman Base
That white Cayman S with the red side graphics is H...O....T !
I’ve owned BOTH.
2008S & 2011S.
Black on black, 6sp manual.
Ask me anything
2006 boxster s ,tipomatic. 2019 purchased, retired 2016, 30 + years public high school teacher, coach, department head Fine arts. Love it and especially in Hawaii, top down rainbows and sunsets!! Aloha!!
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My Porsche 2005 Boxster S is the best therapy money can buy. I love everything about it.
I 100% agree👍👍
I own a 2007 987.1 Cayman since 2020 five speed manual. No issues. I recommend to go for a cayman (not a boxster) because of the better stiffness.
Thanks for watching!
Great video, the question of manual vs pdk wasn’t answered. Looking at a manual now, thoughts?
Highly recommend the manual…I have a launch edition 2006 Cayman S with 6-speed stick….LOVE it…best manual I’ve had, thought I’d never find a manual that I liked better than my ‘88 BMW M5!
987.1's have increased in price about 50% over the last year in the UK. Sadly no longer the bargain they once were, which is a shame as I was hoping to pick a Cayman S this year but they've just crept out of budget.
5 months later... Just picked up a 2007 base in arctic silver. 80k miles, full service history, fully refreshed suspension and brakes, new Michelin PS4s's, 80k miles, £13.5k.
Good cars are out there, just got to be patient!
@@JamesClimbs still going strong?
awesome wealth of knowledge thank you ;
Our pleasure!
thoughts on a 2007 base cayman with tiptronic and 92K miles . . . . . I'm just looking for a safe weekend cruising car from the 987 lineup
45:55 - Uuuuhh, the last time I checked, that goes for ANY CAR not just a Porsche.
06 s with sport chrono....after discovering bore scoring I decided to sleeve to 3.8. Incredible power difference . Very expensive though!
Was it done at Flat6?
I own a old 98 986 2.5 Boxster for 10 years now. Done 212k kms and can only add; best value money can ever buy. You guys are paranoid about IMS issues, so much so that I went to my Porsche dealership 3 years ago and asked them about it. They commented that they never ever had anything to fix like that at all. ZERO! (Similar comment from all my Porsche Club members). So I think it was just an aftermarket company that tried to artificially staged a problem in order to create a spin-off business out of spares or services. Apart from servicing my car self every 20000km's the only major issues I had was to replace engine and gearbox mountings, shocks reconditioned starter, cleaned the throttle body, fixed a snapped door cable. All by myself thanks to YT articles. I'm doing the odd track events annually with the P Club. Awesome fun to drive it flat out every now and then. Amazing. "Prost" to German Engineering at its best.
Glad to see your Boxster has been good to you. Keep enjoying it!
Porsche did the recall, so it's legit.
RIP Sabine...
RIP, our queen of Nürburgring
Please do .2’s next.
What a great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
my only complain about my base 2007 cayman is the electronic oil level check device
Most modern cars are this way. They seem to be quite reliable though.
Don't replace the windshield trim piece. Take it off and paint it with SEM Trim black.
Thanks for the tip!
I like your content but I think that an hour is an extremely long time for most viewers. You could have covered the same info in half the time with just a small amount of effort toward breverty.
Question: should the rotors also be replaced when we replace the brake pads? for some reasons I can’t join live chat
I recommend both at once
Best practice is to do rotors if you're doing pads.
If you had 45k to Drop Right Now:
What wWould YOU Buy?
Why do these start with a countdown ?. Pretty hot distorted audio level. Turn off the auto level adjust and just set a correct level. The alc brings the level up very high until you start talking.
These are recorded live which is why we have the brief countdown. Thanks for the audio tip. Will pass it along.
Man, have prices changed in a year currently looking for my first 987.1 or 987.2 manual in red..
yep. A small recession will certainly do that.
Vancouver Canadian
You nailed most of the items. Another common issue is the AOS.
Ah, yes. Air-Oil Separator. For the record, when this fails, oil gets sucked into the intake manifold and can damage the engine. Symptoms are lots of smoke on startup, or a big cloud when it completely fails. The part is fairly cheap, so it's good to take care of it when it starts to fail.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica i would think its just a cheap PM move to swap it out when you buy a used car.. like plugs and coil packs its not insanely expensive. In my mind a well maintained porsche just makes sense.
@@cayman9873 Yes, a standard AOS from Porsche is about $100 from Pelican Parts. A factory Motorsport AOS, on the other hand, is close to $2,000, but it's something to consider for cars with deep sump, baffle, and windage tray upgrades that'll see high lateral loads.
I purchased a new 2005 Base Boxster and with 21K miles the IMS failed. Porsche just blew me off...made me very sad (mad). I've owned at least on Porsche since 1975 and love the cars but will never buy another new one. I had Flat Six install the "IMS Solution" in my Boxster ... this fixed the problem...and now I love the car.
Sorry to hear that you didn't have the best experience with Porsche. Happy to hear you are enjoying the car though. Cheers.
How much $ did the solution cost overall?
@@patrickcobb4483 All the work I did was a bit over $10,000. The car had to be shipped there and back. Since there was metal everywhere in the engine it had to be dissembled. While in there they changed a few things and balanced the engine. Really, it runs way better then it ever did new... a bit more power but the big difference is how smooth it runs and how freely it revs. Even after I've had the new engine now going on about five years... I still notice how nicely it runs. I hated... I mean HATED spending the money. Porsche really pissed me off... I love the cars, but hate the company. I guess its sort of like being in love with an abusive spouse. I think if you had the do just the "IMS Solution" it would probably cost you $2000.
I have a 1998 Boxster & a 2009 Cayanne S.
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I never understood the fussiness about Porsche rated tyres (N0/N1...) - albeit I do appreciate expensive Michelin / Pirelli rubber for some of my cars that I only want to keep roadworthy by just driving them below national speed limits (call it maintenance driving rather than having the car on hold in storage) there is no point in burning your bucks: asian inexpensive rubber will do this job better than any. If anyone is not happy of buying a car such equipped they can swap it and do whatever they like but taking value away from any of my cars such equipped they will have no chance. The same sensible rule applies to winter tyres: for the ones living in climates warranting them they are priceless: a no brainer buy. I still remember the day that on a 981 S I was able to overtake on snow covered tarmac all SUVs / 4x4s running on useless summer rubber - if there is no traction the number of driven wheels matters not a yota, this is to conclude: I value rubber but try the best I can to be sensible with the money I spend on it.
Irvine CA I have a Meteor Grey 987.1 Base Manual Trans. with 40k miles still contemplating to keep it or to sell it? I am a 2nd owner and it has extended warranty thru Sept 2022
That's up to you. If you enjoy the car, why not keep it? 987.1s with the base 2.7-liter engine do not have a record of bore scoring and they also has the bigger, better IMS bearing with
@@PorscheClubofAmerica That is exactly what I got .1 model and base.
Keep it....as the Gen 1 Cayman is going to go up in value sooner or later.
Pinky Lai first edition Gen 1of 987 will be most sort after....and with Porsche and other companies developing Bio Carbon neutral fuels....to compete against Electric vehicles. ..the Combustion engine will last alot longer than some realise.☺
@@blumahou4281 Well said, combustion engines are here to stay.
Wow after you state how you are a porsche geek and know all the special packages and all but you dont know about the name of the Cayman S Sport. The orange and green option. the first Cayman to come stock with over 300 Bhp at 303. 19" rims alcantara steering wheel, sport exhaust, pasm, chrono. Came out late 2008. It really is wierd that it is so unknown and it is one of the best Caymans of that period.
Good channel... But man... that entry background music... 😂
Lol. We appreciate the feedback.
2007 cayman s with 50k miles and its salvaged. Owner says he was side swiped and fender needed replacement, that's all. It looks great, he wants 20k for it....what do you think ?
Salvage title cars definitely affect future resale value. Proceed with caution.
Thanks...I asked before I heard your comment about avoiding salvage vehicles later on. I was thinking it should be more like 15K or so ? Any thoughts on what a salvage lable is equal to dollar wise on these?
Depending on damage and quality of repair, a salvage title can diminish value 20% and up.
The damage must have been fairly significant for insurance company to total it...more than a "fender replacement" you would think
Bedford NH
how do you determine between if you have a 987.1 or a 987.2?
987.2 are 2009-2012 models.
Fog light position
The cayman is very very tight on my big fat old body. How much bigger is a 996 /911 ?
From the driver seat, they're similarly sized, But the 911 will feel a bit less "claustrophobic," for lack of a better term, due to having more space behind the driver seat and what (we think) is a bigger overall greenhouse.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica i drove a 2009 cayman ...and loved it. But my left arm was pressed tight to the door.. and my right knee was tight into the dash. I could drive the car but it was not comfortable. Head room and leg room was not a problem. Mostly interior width. And back of seat to the dash. I assume the 996 / 911 would be better for me ,,, however despite being a PCA member with covid I cant get near a club members car.. to get a feel for the size. So the last 2 years have been nothing but frustrating wanting to see what fits me so I can buy a car.. and this has cost me over 6 grand as the 996 has gone up that much money while I am trying to get a feel on a car size. Thats a very expensive delay. Not super happy about that.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica i have been a member to try to connect to owners to get some hands on repair time on common issues. And cant seem to even find anyone active in the porsche club or community in the last 18 months plus..
So I am getting priced out of being a possible owner as prices go up.. wonder how many more years owners will be hiding in their basements afraid of the flu.. watching years of their lives flushed away.. ?
$14,700? 😭😭😭😭 I would in a heartbeat
I'm seeing $30-40k everywhere 2 years later.
@@heavycream6682 almost let my impulses get the best of me about 18 months ago but felt it was still too soon. Wish I did…finally officially shopping and now I’m aiming for a 987.2 if I’m going over $35k
Grande Sabine❤ DEP
Why would I not want a 2009 cayman with the 9A1 engine instead. ?
Both 987.1 and 987.2 are great cars, but 987.2 tends to be a good amount more expensive, which is the barrier for most people to that car. Get the best one you can afford.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica by the time I might have to split a case and remove an engine to replace an IMS the price for a 2009 or 2010 987 with the 9A1 engine seems a far better deal to me.
IMS issues are very very rare with the 987.1 It’s more or less Bore scoring and the oiling system that should be addressed. Both can be easily remedied for under 3 grand with an upgraded deep sump oil pan, AOS and a few other things. Grab the best car you can that appeals to you. I agree finding a car that allows you to sleep better at night knowing it’s reliable. There are many ways to make any Porsche very reliable if you know what parts to upgrade. Most of these things are blown way out of proportion by the internet. If you are concerned with the 987.1 or .2 then go for the 981 or 718. My 987.1 has been very strong and super reliable, although I never track it. Next year it will be replaced by a 997.2 or 991. Until then it will be admired and enjoyed. Go with what inspires the most confidence.
S models highly suffer from bore scoring, which is by far the number one killer of these engines. 2.7L base have almost no issues with bore scoring. I expect S models to rise in price b/c many will be junked and not rebuilt.
Nathan looks like Owen Wilson.
LOL
33:01 RIP headphone users
Sorry about that!
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Pittsburgh PA
As the second owner of an 07 Cayman S, purchased in 2016 I found your video very interesting. However, I found it somewhat troubling, concerning, strange, please insert your adjective, that the Cayman used to showcase this segment wasn't even lightly detailed , let alone even washed!?! Granted every one treats & maintains their Porsche differently & admittedly I'm on the far side of the anal spectrum when it comes to my Cayman's appearance, but using the featured Cayman as an example, there's no way I would ever consider purchasing a car, let alone a Porsche that looked this unclean & potentially unloved by it's current owner.
Thanks for chiming in Michael. We left it unwashed to show folks that just because a car might not be clean doesn't mean it isn't a good candidate. One needs to look deeper to see if a car qualifies as "good". That said, this car is normally washed and well kept.
The day I listen to a used car dealer tell me what my car is worth is the day I hope God strikes me down dead.