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- Hi all, I am producing this video to talk through the dual sub setup that Sonos has recently enabled with the release of Sonos S2 12.2.2 with the corresponding firmware update. This was a requested feature by some hardcore Sonos fans, as the subs aren't cheap... but this update brings about one of the best improvements in sound ever from any single feature. Watch on and find out!
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I just got a second sub gen 3. Thank you for all the information! You help a lot!
Nice video again! Thanks and iam pretty excited to see more from the move and dual sub. Enjoy your trip Peter
Did not manage the southern island trip but checked myself in for a staycation. Video coming up any time!
I loled with your enthusiasm in your upfront answer! Great reaction
Thank you!! 😁
Finally Peter is back! Thanks again for.your videos
My pleasure!
Thank you so much for this. You already convinced me to buy an Arc Surround setup. Now buying a second sub as well. Looking forward to your next subs placement video...
Oh dear... I am sorry about that! :) haha.
As always great review mate! See you on your next video.
Thanks 👍 Happy to keep doing this!
For my Christmas gift this year I got myself the Sonos ultimate setup. I got the arc, two Sonos fives as rears and two gen 3 subs and I’m absolutely in love. It truly bring the meaning of the “home theater” to life: thanks for all of your videos Peter!
Very nice! That's the version I will do a video on very soon!
Danke! Moved the sub gen3 from the bedroom to the living room for a dual sub setup. In the bedroom now the sub mini setup sounds perfect with your settings.
Thanks for the tip! And I am happy that you found your perfect setup for living room AND bedroom!
Fantastic vid! Thank you!
Thank you Peter, great channel.
Totally worth it!
Peter is super helpful by providing data vs. only specs, "opinions", etc. I'm looking forward to the placement of the subs video!!! I'm thinking diagnolly from each other. I'm hoping he gives an idea of how many feet from one another, etc. Thank you for the great videos and information. Super helpful.
Working on it! But the exact dimensions might be a bit tricky cos too many room variables. But since you ask, I will give relative measurements!
@@PeterPee That is AWESOME! Totally understood regarding the "exact dims". Having any idea will be super helpful, so thank you again. So looking forward to the next vid!
It's worth it. I have a small room and it's still 110% worth it. I was always able to localize the single sub and "hear" where it was. Since I added the second sub they both audibly disappeared in the room and the bass has reached true movie theater quality by filling the room ambience. IT'S WORTH IT!
Yep, one of the advantages is not necessarily increased bass. More even bass delivery is also an advantage.
Hello,have you tried to remove one sub and put it back again for testing how it sounds with one and with both?if you dis it,how did you did it?should i unplug and plug it back?Should i run truplay again?or if i do that i have to add or regroup again the system?thank you
great review....i ordered my 2nd sub two weeks ago....i can't wait to hear the difference. the room they will be in is 14x22 ft....cheers from Canada...be safe all
Your room size is great for dual sub. There will be significant differences. I am assuming you have at least a 7.5' ceiling.
@@PeterPee 8 ft ceiling
I moved a sub from the garage gym to my home theater room in attic (Arc, two play 1s and generation 2 sub) and placed the subs in the front two corners, ran TruePlay and adjusted settings as you recommend for the Arc and holy cow, it sounds insane now. The bass was great with one sub but with two subs I can't tell where it is coming from and I feel it in my body as well. Feels just like the movie theater now. Very happy with how it sounds.
Ho Seh Liao! Received my Second Gen 3 Sub today. Bought another because I can also move it around and add it to different rooms. Added it to my Arc system in my Man-cave. It’s a small bonus room above our garage. Listening space is about 18x11 feet. I also have surrounds in there and the second Sub just opened the whole range so much more. I didn’t think the sub would be this transformative. To my ears, after running true play, it sounds like the mids and highs opened up even more. It’s nuts how good it sounds now! I used to have my bass level at +7 with one Sub, now I have to bring it down to +2, because I can feel the extra pressure at higher volumes 😂. Loving it and your videos!!!
Thanks again!
Hi Peter. I really enjoy your channel and videos. As an owner of a pair of Sonos One’s, i’d love to see you do a video comparing the audio tests with these speakers with and without a Sonos sub. I’d love to see the frequency range of the SLs with and without the sub.
Keep up the great work and I look forward to your future videos.
Just bought into Sonos. Well better than others I tested in my home without putting wires all over in my walls
Thank you for your videos. I own the Sonos complete home theater system 5.2.2 ( Sonos Arc, Gen3 subs, and the play ones). I’m learning a lot about Sonos from your videos. They are very helpful. Can’t wait to watch the next video regarding dual subs placement.
Thanks for your support! I am planning for that video and very excited to do that video too!
You are amazing man! You have answer to any Sonos thing. My future setup would be arc+2 SLs + 2Subs
Go for it! I personally think that is the most bang for buck configuration!
As sonos/ikea bookshelf has the same hardware as SL you can save some money
Waiting for stock then will be investing in sub no 2... thanks to your great review
That's a wonderful choice. I really am going through my entire setup with Beam and Amp and Arc just to experience the 2nd sub!
Peter , with your professional advise, I wont’t regret with my full system Arc plus the dual sub ....cheers ✌🏻
The Dual sub is... never gonna be a regret....
The second sub sounds Amazing!!! Worth every penny. It does move some of my art on the wall.
Blutack is your friend!
@@PeterPee Didn’t think of that.
I gave you a like for your videos since you've given the answer upfront. It's rarely ever give out likes!:)
Thanks for that!
Great video as always 😉 good to have u back P.
Maybe try making a setup with 1 sub gen 3, vs a setup with 2 sub gen 3!
Possibly! I am just trying to figure out the logistics of this!
👍👍 Much appreciated
Just picked up the sub, it’s a night and day difference , the bass just fills the air! I have completed my home theater, I just need a couple more 1’s or 5’s and my home will be complete.
Between a couple more Ones or Fives... it's a matter of budget and sound quality!
@@PeterPee I want at least one more 5, but I’m thinking about waiting awhile to see if Sonos comes out with anything new or any updated versions of the 1 or the 5. Btw, what’s your opinion on the rumors about Apple buying Sonos?
I've enjoyed Sonos products. I have an ARC, SUB Gene, and two sonos play ones for surround and they work fantastic together in my bed room. I wanted two Play 5 but for ambient surround, I'm not sure it would make the extra amount of money needed to purchase them worth it. I will have ever get another sub...I like hip hop music and I want to play it loud and I wand tons of boom!
The sub will be a lot more value than the fives. And difference delivered is much greater.
YES!!!!
Was hoping you were going to say NO! I don't need it but I want it!
Well, I think the heart wants what the heart wants.
Majestic
Glad you are feeling better. I wish Sonos made a smaller sub with a smaller price tag. I love my Sonos sub but they need more options. Especially if I wanted to a beam setup for my bedroom
I agree. Love the sub in my arc setup. I want to add a sub to the beam but can't justify $700 for low end in a bedroom.
@@poof3192 exactly just a little too much
Hmmm, that's a thought. Actually I thought it is already quite small footprint. But a smaller sub is also great in terms of providing just a bit of augmentation.
I'm from 2023, take a look at the sub mini.
With the introduction of the Era 300s, would you rather have 1) Era 300s for surrounds with 1 Sub gen 3, or 2) 2 Sub gen 3s with 2 sonos ones or 100s for surrounds. Great videos as always.
Peter, ANOTHER phenomenal video . . .WHAT timing!! THANK you!! I was actually wondering if adding another Sonos sub to my existing Gen3 was even POSSIBLE (using TruePlay ) I've done a LOT of reading on this topic and to sum up . . . unless one has a REALLY large room, the main advantage of a second or even 3? or 4? subs (YIKES!!! Let's not go there LOL) is as you say, a more even or balanced distribution of those frequencies in the room and not necessarily MORE bass volume per se. ONE Sonos sub on its own, delivers amazing bass and more than enough for most rooms I'd guess. But if your readers are interested in seeing other Videos supporting your concept here, may I suggest that they TH-cam REL videos explaining the advantages of several subs REL is arguably THE premier manufacturer of subs and they DO know what they are talking about and its NOT just to sell MORE subs LOL The differences are there for ANYONE to hear! Happy holidays to all !!
FORGOT to mention that when there are two or more subs, there are benefits that extend into the midrange, filling it out and making it richer in tone and augmenting "spaciousness" - we're not talking louder or deeper here necessarily - we are talking QUALITY and integration of all frequencies above all - just saying
Yes, there is also the redirection of more amplification power to the mid range and tweeters. A lot of people may not know but tweeters take quite a bit of power to drive too.
What an informative and enjoyable watch! I do have a set up that was not addressed. I am considering purchasing a gen 3 sub to add to my gen 1 for a two sub set up. Peter, can you discuss the characteristics of the gen 1 with us please.
Unfortunately I have no access to a gen 1 sub now and I can’t test it.
Were you able to add a Gen 1 Sub with the Gen 3?
@@bbqboy175 I was and with no issues.
@@arniesilverberg764 thanks for that. I’ve found one online but didn’t want to get it if it was not going to work with my Gen 3
Dual subs in a small room sound awesome much smoother sound. Heard explosions with one, totally emersed with 2 of them 😛
It’s really mind blowingly good. I can’t imagine a better way to spend the money. :)
Thanks for pointing out one sub needs to be the 3rd gen, Peter!
You're welcomed!
Hi Peter, thank you for sharing your experience and work. How do you think about a dual sub with the Playbase instead of the Arc? Do you also recommend that and is it worth the money too? Thanks a lot!
Hey amazing view yet again Peter. I have 5's for rears on my current system and am wondering if a second sub will be as drastic an upgrade since I have the added bass from the 5's. Any input is always appreciated!
I wanted to keep the answer for another video but I will share with you upfront again. The sound is truly mind-blowing. The bass is really all around you. But I'd go as far as to say that with 2 subs, you might not even need the 5s for rear!
@peter is it better to use one gen 2 & one gen 3 or two gen 3s?
Maybe you can have a look if it still makes sense with the newest setup as the arc and era have have a stronger bass component anyhow.
I know that using the Sonos Sub with Sonos 5 ends up diluting some of the bass potential of the Sonos 5 . For primarily home theaters, would you recommend adding a second Sonos sub or would you upgrade ONE SL Surrounds to Sonos 5?
hi Pete...great review...i am gonna be setting up my SONOS ARC with 2 Gen 3 subs / and the 5's as my rears..what are your thoughts ? room is 14 x 22 ft...ceiling is 8 ft high....and the TV i will be hooking it all to is the Samsung Q90T 85 inch....also where would you suggest i place the 2 subs ? ( on each side of the TV ? or one up front and one at the back of the room)....look forward to your response....thank you and cheers......be safe out there all
Ever since I saw the news about the dual Sub being supported by Sonos I was waiting for this video. I actually already have 2 Subs, one in the bedroom and one in the living room. It looks like I have some shuffling of speakers to do this afternoon. Thanks for this update and I am looking forward to your followup videos regarding placement. I don't know if I missed it or not; when you were outlining the various possible placements I did not catch if you are including a placement where the Sub's are opposite one another, or is that an obvious "no, no"?
I didn't do the directly opposite each other. Not that it's a no no, but there is a less even spread of sound if they are on the same side corner. If you have them mid room front and back it works well too but you have to ensure you are not sitting in the middle of the room else there will be a lot of cancellation.
@@PeterPee Peter, thank you for the reply. I did some minor furniture arrangements and now have my 2 Subs equal distance from the center of the Arc. I turn on a movie and noticed a significant boost in the base. I am still frustrated with the inability to try the TruePlay function; I have an Android phone and an Apple Ipad that does not support TruePlay. Oh well, if that is the worst thing to happen in 2021 I would be happy. Thanks again for the help, I find your channel informative with valuable information.
Excellent video Peter. I am now very curious about the two sub placement. You mentioned some of the more popular placement formats however you did not mention the one that seems to be the best for two subs and that is mid-wall front and back. Will you also be testing this location? Also I would be curious to know what size room you deem as too small for two subs. I have a dedicated listening room that is 14.9 feet by 10.4 feet with a 7.5 foot ceiling height and has bass traps in all corners. Thanks.
I didn't mention the mid wall because the placement might get tricky for a lot of people given space constraints. I can do that though. Thanks for the feedback!
As for room size, I was going to suggest 15'x10' with 8' ceiling as the cut-off for 2 subs. Below that size, might not be able to extract the max performance from 2 subs.
@@PeterPee Thank you Peter for the reply back and for trying the midpoint locations. Much appreciated.
I watched this video when it came out and I was living in my old house with a 13'x17' living room. I decided not to do a second sub. In the new house my living room is 19'x40' with 12' ceilings and I feel the Arc, Play 3 Surrounds and single sub are really lacking with the bass even though I cranked both the sub volume and bass up a bit. It just doesn't fill the room like it did at the old house. Even when in another room the bass is all you hear. So now I'm revisiting adding a second sub....
Love love you videos!!! I have one question for you sir. Why will my Trueplay not work. I have a iPhone 12 pro.
Mine also was not working before but since last update now it’s fine.
12.2.2 will make the 12 pro work. If it is the 12 pro max, it is not supported yet.
For some reason, I’m not sure if I’m imagining it but my 1 sub 3 , Arc and One SLs sounds better now after the latest update.
Are you referring specifically to 12.2.2? Oh dear. I was so caught up with the dual sub I didn't pay attention to the SQ!
@@PeterPee yes, the latest version. Seems like I’m getting the best sound now since I first got my Arc, Sub 3 & One SLs earlier in the year, mainly when watching movies.
What app do you use to capture sound frequencies from the speakers?
Just bought an Arc, IKEA SYMFONISK speakers and have the Sub Gen3 on Back order. thinking of ordering a second sub just to "piss off" my Neighbours and screaming kids outside :)
Hi. When did sub gen 2 release first ? Curious.
7 years ago. 2013 Feb.
I have two Gen 3’s and two Fives - but I found that you can only add a second =sub when you’re using an Arc or a Beam?? Sonos needs to say why it won’t work when you’re using it for music only. I tried to set it up with two and it allows you to make the add but then it never sees it fully. Peter you have any insight?
I have a 27 feet by 12.5 feet room is this worth the money I have the arc the ones and sub gen 2? I also think about the fives instand of the one's but Maybe an extra sub is better 🤔🤔😢😢
Is it worth adding bass traps if you have 2 gen 3 subs?
Mr. Peter, can I add second sub with just arc and another sub? I am having trouble for S2 to connect the second sub. After installation of second sub I have message "your sub has been added but may not appear in the system tab. If so, unplug the power cord and plug it back in to finish setup from the system tab" which doesnt work. S2 unable to recognized the second sub anywhere.
I search around and sonos community mentioned that I need to have surround installled first before adding second sub. Is that the case?
Thank you again, and have a great holiday months
Hey Peter, I've got an arc, two Sonos one and sub gen3 we generally watch movies and music would you recommend me to go for a second sub gen3 just for an extra good deep bass and sound quality please
You’re gonna get an improvement but I don’t think you will feel it’s a $800 improvement. If money is no object, go for it. If the $800 can be better spent elsewhere where funds are needed, don’t buy the second sub. Unless you room is very big, in which case, beg borrow or steal. :)
How big of a room should you have for dual sub to be good? (Measurements)
10' by 15' with at least 9' ceiling.
Would placing the subs in the rear be similar to having them up front? I have the two subs behind the couch at each corner but debating on doing the opposing corners.
Opposing corners can give a very even bass response in the room but if it somehow creates standing waves due to too symmetrical a placement or room dimensions, you might get cancelled out bass lines. But chances of getting more even bass is higher.
@@PeterPee awesome!! I really appreciate it. Thank you for the help.
Hello just want to ask a favor to tell me how can i remove one of the subs?just for me to make a test with one sub running and 2 subs running to hear the difference.shal i have to unplug one sub?and after that i have to truplay again?thanks in advance keep safe
I've got 2 sonons ones and the sub.... Unsure of whether to get the arc next or sonos fives. I enjoy listening to music predominantly. Any recommendations?
If you are listening to music predominantly, then the Sonos Fives. But you won't need the Ones and the Sub much after that.
@@PeterPee does the 5.1 with sonos arc provide a good music experience, similar to 2 fives.... Since that way, the arc is more versatile with Movies and can have some use for my sub and ones that way.
So...... x2 sub x2 fives and the arc? 😍
YES!
Question to this post. If you have the GEN 3 Subs left and right of your TV. And you have the Sonos 5’s ( Pair ) at the rear. Wouldn’t those cancel each other out to a degree?
That is my set up. The dual subs take the majority of the bass duties away from the rear Fives. The Fives are concentrating on the mids/highs and surround sound specific audio mostly with a reduced bass level compared Fives without subs.
How is the punch and dynamics of two compared to a single one?
There is a lot a lot more headroom. I found that in a smaller room (bedroom), Trueplay pulled down the peaks significantly. There is a lot more dynamic range. That's why I say you need a min size room to benefit from dual sub.
Sooo..... when do we get a video about the ultimate Sonos surround system? Sonos Arc, Dual Subs and Play 5s as surrounds?
I was thinking about that! But it's a large effort video!
Is ok to use two subs gen 3?
I just bought a second Sub gen 3 to go with my arc and 2 SL rear surround sound speakers. Was that a mistake? Should I have looked for a Sub gen 2?
No. While I have not tested with both gen 3, I do not believe that it’s superior combination over a gen 2 and gen 3 combo. In fact, if anything, my guess is that the bass will be more evenly distributed.
@@PeterPee The two Gen 3 subs sound terrific together, placed on either side of the sound bar and TV, maybe 10 feet apart. The room is filled with bass and very uniform. Non-directional. I think the combination works well. Maybe you should try that some time too. It may be as good or better than the gen 3 and gen 2 combination.
I just bought an Arc+2 ones+ 2 subs but I have a problem with grouping. Sonos app refused to add more than one group at a time. The 'GROUP' is completely grayed out and so can't select the living room and dine simultaneously. Any clue how to work around this problem? I'm a rookie, just started.
So when you are playing a song or a movie etc, in the app of you click on what's playing next to the volume you should see a up arrow with a square and that would allow you to select your different rooms to play music etc.
@@CarlosLopez-cb3sc ,hi,can I play music on SL one (both) only when it's paired with arc and sub.if yes how to change setting??because for music ,don't want to use sub or arc
I see, okay sounds like all your components are hooked up into one group.
1. Remove the SL from the group with the Arc and Sub
2. Then add them back but into living room 2 (for example)
This will allow you to manually group all speakers like my first comment, for movies, TV etc.
Then when you want to listen to music then you can unselect living room 1 with the arc and sub.
Let me know if you need help!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
One is enough, trust me!!! 😅
I agree but I guess it depends on room size.
Yes, for a room smaller than 10' x 15' it might not benefit.
Possible to let us hear the actual difference between 1 and 2 sub?
Yes, I did that in a previous video. 0 sub. 1 sub and 2 subs!
I’m still debating on keeping the one sl for rears or upgrade to the fives for rears with my Arc and Gen3 sub..... this isn’t helping matters
If you are budgeting for a big ticket upgrade, the second sub brings about much bigger improvements than the Fives for the rear.
@@PeterPee thanks for the informative response... I will definitely give a dual sub a shot as to getting the Fives..
although I have read by some that depending on your room layout having an additional sub has little impact
How would the arc, 2 subs, and play 5’s as surrounds sound?
I have the arc, 2 subs and 2 play 1s and it sounds amazing!! I also want to if I should upgrade the play 1s to the fives!!!
Fantastic.. that’s my family room set up! Arc, subx2 surround speakers fives .Couldn’t be happier
That's like the ultimate setup now.
@@PeterPee My house feels like it’s going to collapse!.. LOTR 4k atmos.... BOOOOOIIINGGGGGG!
is it only with the latest sonos or does the sonos original sub work too?
nevermind your video answered it...
Ha! Yes!
Hello peter,just gotmy second sub its your fault 😂but in a lovely way😂 just want to ask how can i remove one of the sub to make a test,with one sub and both subs.in the sonos app there is no option to turn off one of the subs..thank you
Peter should I get Bose 700 or Sonos arc ? Please help me ❤️
Arc
You could buy two pb1000 pros and they would eat the sonos subs for breakfast - let alone your home.
Were not going to use the sonos subs for making contest who are stronger or louder,this is how two subs blends and make an equal sound we are not using 2 subs for it to be the most powerful set up,good for you go for that subs if your happy thats what matters most.i can buy an 18 inch sub if want 1,000 watts but what for?
@@juanvalera7272 i mean $750 a piece for a low quality subwoofer - guess thats a great deal lmao. Two pb1000 pro’s, at the time of my comment, were $599 each (still $100 less than sonos original price of $700). The price has now raised to $799 which is still a better deal than sonos.
What i am getting at is the money your spending on low quality parts is phenomenally stupid. Youre better off buying an “all in one” theater package like samsung or JBL 9.1 than buying everything separately since we are talking soundbars here. Like you said you, whatever makes you happy i guess.
@@garretts431 i know ur point of view and i was like you before i owned 6 different 12 inch subwoofers in 20 years,the past 10 years is when i first saw the sonos sub,i told my self it sounds really good for my taste but always me saying how is it that expensive!marketing?on that year for the same price i bought a b&w 12 inch 450wats sub,and i told my self this is loud,and after that a klipsch 12 inch sub 500 watts ok the same its damn loud,but no matter what i do it over kills my system bose 301 as front bose as center and 2 bose 100 as surrounds,it was damn loud believe me but as always go to FNAC its the store where the sonos sub with surrounds and playbar that year i was always amazed with the sound,the way it blends and it was only a single sub,the sound is so iqual not boomy at all and also loud not as much as the 12 inch i use to have but the sound more pleasing and the sounds spreads throghout the listening room and since then i told my self thats my next project,and now i have the 2 subs just purchase this morning the aditional sub and im blown away now tte arc sounds even better before im missing the physical left and right front surround now maybe because i put the 2 subs in fron left and right i can really notice the ñeft and right channel,and bro for me and i respect the likes of others the sonos dual. Subs for me is the best i heard not the loudes yes,but the way it sounds it blends and apread in the room is amazing even i turn it really loud theres no distorsion at all,im not hearing those rattle sound of the speakers and the case of the wooden bos of sub woofers that for me is really anoying at ofcourse its wireless and easy to use and set because of the true play never i have the subs over powering the rest.
Summary for me not the loudest always sounds the best,im not an audiophile but i tried many system,infinity,klipsh bose,b&w jbl yamaha but with sonos subs im amazed.and with the place we have 40 square meters room with 50 volume out of 100 is more than eneough
@@juanvalera7272 tu-shay
I ask the expert
I won’t be buying another sub but I wished they’d release up firing surrounds. The arc is a little underwhelming when it comes to Dolby Atmos.
Yes, in fact, even with regular Atmos setups, you still won't get very distinct heights effect. Unless you have ceiling speakers installed. I want Sonos to actually allow the use of a Sonos Amp to drive ceiling speakers for Atmos.
I say no, sound is better no question but not for this price. For this price you have Ambeo + very good sub that will go deeper and better than 2 Sonos subs.
One Sub itself is too much. Don’t even think about 2nd Sub guys.
It really depends on the room. And there are also benefits in terms of getting the bass evened out through the whole room.