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- Sound demo of the Ultimate Sonos Arc setup with Dual Sub and Sonos Fives as the surround. This setup will set you back 3,200USD. Not exchange spare change. Can you tell the difference? Do let me know in the comments section below!
The Video and Audio sync is a little off due to the recording to a Zoom H1n mic which is in a separate track from the main video camera. Don't mind that. It doesn't affect the sound.
This is the definitive video on how to place your dual Sonos Sub. Took a long time to produce this video due to the amount of measurements and placements that I had to experiment with.
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0:00 Intro
2:19 Sonos Arc on its own
5:28 Sonos Arc with Fives as surrounds
8:55 Sonos Arc with Sub Gen 3 and Fives as surrounds
11:27 Sonos Arc with Dual Subs and Fives as surrounds
14:58 Sonos Arc with Dual Subs and no surrounds
17:01 Sonos Arc with Single Sub and no surrounds - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Just wanted to say THANKS! Many thanks Peter
You do very good non biased work…thank you!
watching this, i just dig myself an endless rabbit hole...
Join the rest of us in the same rabbit hole at the bottom my friend.
Very tempting!
That would be just like sitting in the theater and forgetting that you were at home literally lol
Please do another video, with your analysis on whether you think this is worth it. I appreciate the recordings. But it would be nothing like actually being there and experiencing it yourself.
Worth is very hard to quantify. To a lot of audiophiles, the last 5% increase in performance is worth double the price.
Thank you! You did the test I was hoping for and what I hope to achieve some day at home, dual sub, fives as surround and arc in front, only hoping that we soon also get two one’s as front speakers in de home cinema setup.
Have a great day, thanx again!
Glad I could help!
Thanks for the video Pete. Hoping to go for dual subs soon! The price is expensive but so far I got 15% of the Arc and 1 Gen3 Sub
15% savings for sonos is a great savings. Where I am, they rarely rarely run anything more than 5-7%.
I asked and you delivered! You are amazing! Thank you very much Peter! A great overview of the various options. It’s hard to hear the effects of the surrounds on TH-cam when the subs are connected but none the less fantastic work as usual and look forward to the next video! P.S. I hope that you are in good health! Thanks again 🙏
Thanks Alan! And I am happy to do these videos. I do these videos for fun and I spend my weekends doing them. I am in good health, all things considered. To better hear the effects and differences, you do need to be on headphones.
Fenomenal tu video !!!
Yo tengo el Arc únicamente con los dos sorround (sonos play five) y se escucha súper bien. Me falta ponerle su sub. Pero ahora que ahorre
Man you already sold me on a pair of 5's for rears a few months ago! Now I have to buy another sub! Great video I can't wait to see the data!
I am sure you enjoyed the sound upgrade. Trust me you’ll enjoy this a lot more even more than the upgrade to the fives as the rear surround.
Woah! First audio test review.This is not mindblowing but Audioblowing. Bravo🙌🙌🙌
Thanks for your kind words!
Verry nice!!! Thats gonna be mu setup to thanks
Hi I just bought Sonos Arc and sub and I going to buy Sonos five for surround and then another sub for the whole package 🤩
my neighbour would hate this sound bar😁
awesome review.....was hoping you would do this demo...thank you...i have the Arc / 2 Gen 3 subs / and the ONES SL's....just ordered the Sonos 5's for the rears.....omg i can't wait.....feel like a kid at xmas time...lol....i must add that i got some really good deals on all my sonos equipment 2650 USD that includes the 5's............ordered a beam for upstairs tv and will add the ONES SL's as rears....keep up the great work PETE....cheers from Canada and be safe all
Hello from singapore! And that’s really quite a good deal you had. I’m so sure you’ll be enjoying it.
That was AWESOME Peter !!! Makes me wanna change to my SONOS 1 SL to SONOS 5 for my surround ......Arggh ....
Peter put me in the same situation. Will the five also give a better sound when you listen music on the Arc, like Apple Music or AirPlay from the phone?
@@norbertm1744 I’ve already heard the 5s in Stereo w/o sub . The sound is like giving you a punch on your face !!! 😂😂😂
@@norbertm1744 I upgraded to 5's for rears when Peter did his first video about them. You won't regret it. Music is 100x better but so are movies. Having all that power behind you truly makes you feel the power of explosions all around you. It really gives the movie theater feel & power which was missing for me with the 1's as rears. Pull the trigger you wont regret it!
If you hear it, you can't un-hear it... And from the response above... I think you have the answer. :)
Just became a Patreon subscriber! Love your straight to the point presentation. Question. Is there an advantage to having the Subs elevated on stands/boxes?
Hey! That's very nice of you! Thank you for your kind contribution. I don't think there are sonic advantages to elevating the subs. In fact, when elevated off the ground, subs actually sound less powerful. I do that because I don't have space to place the cabinet otherwise. Now I have shifted things around a bit, I am placing my subs back on the floor.
Huge!
Great!
Your awesome pete
I know that the fives probably overkill in an apartment they probably lock me up and throw away the key lol😊
I think as far as a apartment the era 100s will be good
Peter- thank you very much for your terrific videos! Did you ever (I think you said you were getting to it) tell us the best post- Trueplay eq settings for the setup you demonstrate here. Arc, two play:5 surrounds, two subs?
the sonos arc is definitely on my asap list 🤦🏻♂️
Go for it!
im just using ipad watching this but it really sounds epic wish i got the money thou 😁
I have the same setup
Pete, your passion about these things is...beyond this world.
Thank you!
I switched back between arc+sub+fives and arc+sub (since i own this combination).
I am leaning towards getting Sonos One SL's as rears. Do you think that I will be satisfied with sonos one SL's?
Just by switching, the additional speakers provide much wider soundstage. I cannot let that go. Maybe in near future I come around and get the fives as surround.
But just wanted to hear your opinion.
The incremental improvement is small. Noticeable but small. I’d say you’ll be happy with the ones still. If you have a largish room, you’ll need the fives for surround but otherwise the ones will do.
Cool video , and I was wondering how does it work while the projector doesn’t have an EARC or hdmi 2.1 output ? Thanks
Hello from London Peter,
Great videos as always. Appreciate all your content. I noticed that in this video the Arc is below your ear level. Curious to know if the height channels were still effective in simulating the rain scene over head. Did it still seem like it was coming from over head and did you have to angle the rear of the Arc for this scenario?
I am usually a little further back which makes the difference in height less apparent. In any case, this particular room has a very high ceiling and it not particularly suitable for reflected Atmos effects.
Thanks for your continued support!
Can you use an amp & then use it to connect two 5s as front side speakers?
Hey Peter, I was wondering if I got the 5s would it be best to have them on the side near the couch...or have them further away in the back away from the couch???
Hi Peter! Love the setup! :) Can I check what Ultra Short Throw Projector are you using and does it support the full Dolby Atmos experience?
It is the WeMax A300 UST projector but I wouldn't recommend this for the moment. There is a very obvious lag in the sound when it comes to streaming services when I am playing off either the Apple TV or Nvidia Shield 2019. But both streamers report Atmos.
Great Video Peter :) What is the verdict for music mainly? which sounds best for music?
If it is just music, I'd say go for a pair of the Sonos Fives. You don't need anything else.
I have the Arc, Gen 3 Sub & 2 One SL´s setup for watching movies and listening to music. I was thinking of replacing the One SL´s with Fives, thinking I would get an even better music performance. What do you think?
What to do you recommend to position the Sonos play 5 in front or behind
Great vid Peter what are you EQ settings after truplay on this system
I will need to recheck the EQ settings. I have not gotten round to that.
Hello peter just bought another sub 2 days ago😀 my question is how can i test the subs i mean removing one to test it and puting it back again to test the difference between one and dual sub?should i turn off one of the sub from the main cable?or there is an option in the sonos app?thank you
Hello Peter, yours videos are amazing. I have 2 One Sl with the Arc and Sub Gen. 3 in use. But I’m not happy because I don’t find the sound and effects of movies to be very detailed. Would I get a better experience with 2 Sonos Five ? I use the system at a low volume and I want very detailed effects for both movies and music. Can you give me a recommendation ?? thanks
I am unsure about what you mean by detail. But if I were to make a guess and give you a line, I'd suggest that you try to increase the treble setting to say a +7 and bass to -3, but increase the bass response to a +4. Work around that range and see if that helps.
Please do one with a typical setup like Arc with/without sub & sonos one/sls as surrounds. This having 5 as surround is an overkill as one can just move it to another room just like that.
I’ll probably do that when I redo the video for best settings based on a dual sub set up.
Thank you Peter! How is the difference in listnening music beween the sub and the dual sub situation plus 2x play fives as rear speakers?
The difference is still great. Dual sub now is the CLEAREST upgrade path for a lot of Sonos owners looking to up the level of their sonic performance out of their current system,
Thanks 👍👍
Does anyone know what is the name of the demo peter used in the beginning?
Hi there, I’ve recently purchased this set up and was wondering what sound set up is this? 5Arc.2Fives.2Subs?
how are you playing this Dolby Atmos demo? Is this through your PC?
Excellent work by the way! I always watch your videos before buying any more products. Tempted to add Fives as surrounds but they are wayyy tooo expensive. Might go for Play Ones.
You can refer to this video: th-cam.com/video/CgpWwT1xYy8/w-d-xo.html
And yes, I am playing them with the projector's built in video player. I just downloaded the clips onto a USB drive and stuck it in.
Hi Peter, can I ask your advice please. I have a new setup I'll describe as Arc, Sub, 1x Amp 1x pair sonos ceiling speakers to be used as rear surrounds and another amp and pair of sonos speakers originally bought as just another pair of speakers to fill the room for music. This pair will be installed in front of my MLP. I'm just waiting for my electrician to come back and install all my ceiling speakers. But will sonos allow me to configure my 2nd amp and speaker pair for side surrounds or additional Atmos speakers? Will the S2 app recognise them as available for more surrounds or allow me tomgroup them somehow? Thanks in advance
No. Unfortunately Sonos doesn’t allow for the reconfiguration for side surrounds or heights channel for speakers or amp. You can only use the amp as surround. Even if the sound is coming from the ceiling.
Hi. I have the Arc, Gen 2 sub and 2 Sonos one SL. If I wanted to upgrade would u recommend adding the second Gen 3 sub OR substituting the 2 one SL’s for play 5. Also, is adding the second sub a huge benefit or overkill. And as always, awesome videos. Thanks
Definitely spring for the second Sub. The incremental performance is a lot more than swapping the ones out for the fives. I am assuming Movies being the priority here.
If you do a fair amount of music listening, you would then want to consider the Fives. In that way, you can use the fives to play full bandwidth surround when you are listening to music and that gives you the Five's richness when it comes to music.
@@PeterPee Thanks for the reply, definitely my priority is for Movies and gaming. Think I’m gonna go for the sub :)
Thanks a lot for all your video, they are very helpful. 3 questions : 1- What are the best solutions to stream atmos music and atmos movie on a sonos arc system. 2- Is there a way to connect 2 sonos one sl to a sono arc+sub+2 five setup ? Is it worth it ? Is there an alternative to trueplay on an apple device ? I have a laptop and a Samsung s20 ultra phone.
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You can only get Atmos onto the Sonia arc via a hdmi arc connection between your tv and the arc. You can’t add another Sonos one pair to the arc+sub+five setup anymore. And no you can’t trueplay with anything other than an apple device.
@@PeterPee Thanks a lot !
I pre-ordered the Arc before release and got it on day one and we love it. I knew that I would buy a Sub gen 3 eventually... But now I also want a second Sub gen 3 and two One SLs 😅 I do have two Sonos Play:5s... But, that would be overkill for us I think... 🤔😋
I think you’ll get a lot more performance increase out of the second sub than changing the surrounds out for the fives.
Hi peter, I like your videos and going to have this set. And I have a question, when just listen to music, which is better? a full setup(arc+sub+fives) or fives+sub as 2.1? Because many music may not need surround and fives as front speakers may be better than as rear speaker?
For music alone, the fives are going to trump the arc.
It’s more accurate when placed correctly in front as opposed to the rear.
Would appreciate same; however, with Sonos Ones, Gen 2 without Play Fives.
I was going to do another video next but ok, let me do this today.
Can you add 1s into the mix as well? So they would be like top speakers?
Unfortunately you can't. They have not allowed that.
I like your neon behind your TV where do you where do you find that? Where can you get those I live in the USA do you think Best Buy would sell them? Thank you for your time. ! George V.
Hi George! That was on an old setup and I am using the xiaomi light strips.
What speaker stand are you using for the Fives?
Those are the Kantos. Very very nice. I have an affiliate link for them prepared for when I do my review of those stands but here they are: amzn.to/2Y8NrqM
Available in black and white and in two heights of 26" and 32". Very nice very stable very heavy on their own.
I noticed that you have your subs on wooden boxes. Can you share where did you get them? Looking for something similar for mine...
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I had them custom made many many years ago for a pair of glass shelves which have since been given away.
Hey Peter, does Dolby atmos also come out of the Sonos 5?? What about the subwoofer? I know it comes out of the arc. Please help. Thanks.
No. The fives doesn’t do Atmos. The sub doesn’t need to play Atmos. If the sub is paired with the arc, it will work to throw out the lower frequencies. Not Atmos.
@@PeterPee you are the man! Thanks.
Peter thank you so much for your videos, thanks to you I got a ecosystem sonos in my home, but now I am thinking to improve it, and I want to ask you if it worth if I have sonos arc+sonos sub+2 symfonisk lamp as sorround, and to change for 2 Sonos five instead of symfonisk. Thank you in advance
The answer is that it's not worth it. It is nicer and louder but for the price, not quite worth the jump.
@@PeterPee thank you a lot Peter I will leave it so.
@@pclsanchezi there is a significant difference in sound. The fives fill the room 10x better. They bring the action to your seat. The 1sl are great, but they are not equals with the fives.
I have the same setup but two gen 3 subs with the fives and arc. I have not setup anything yet but I am not sure where I should mount my fives. I want to mount them on the wall about 8.5 ft up angled down I am just not sure where the best placement will be in my room.
If you can, to your sides and slightly towards the back. Angled down is ok.
@@PeterPee thank you for the reply, I was looking at the area again and it looks like one of my rears would be 10ft from the seating area and the other rear would be 12.5ft. I hope it doesn't impact it that much. There maybe another way I could try and mount it, but it's going to take some work.
Hello Peter, I had a question for you, would I benefit if I add a pair of Ones with the Ultimate Set Up? Meaning, aside of the 5’s to also add a pair of One’s?
Thank you
No, in fact, in some occasions, you might get some delays in the sound and mismatched phase between your full setup and the additional Ones.
So either the Ones or the 5’s! Got it. Thanks Peter!
Problem is that the ARC canot used the Dolby Atmos Speakers alone and that why you cant ger a realy Dolby Atmos feeling 🤗 You cant heare the speakers they come from the top.
Quick check: can the Sonos arc setup (with dual subs & surround fives) play music without the TV being switched on ?
I would like to know as well
@@DanielDiaz-jc4se I have the arc, 2x 5's for rears but only one sub. but i can confirm, the tv does not need to be switched on
Help Peter...it’s the whole Sonos here or the BnW formation set up....what do I do?
I have considered the B&W formation setup very carefully before. For music, I think the B&W is better but for movies and bass impact, the Sonos.
@@PeterPee Thanks so much...Sonos it is thanks to you.
Hi Peter,
Amazing video as always. I noticed that there is a lag when you pair the surrounds to the system i.e the video plays after the sound is played. I have an Arc with Sun Gen 3 but don’t have any lag issues. Would adding additional speakers like One SLs introduce delay?
does it make a difference if its not an EARC or really doesn’t matter even if its ARC
EARC sound will be better but if you are streaming, it is lossy anyway so in that case, it doesn't matter.
Another great demonstration Peter, I already have the arc with fives as surrounds and 1 x gen 2 sub, and it sounds great, but I keep scratching an itch to go to a dual subs set up. Do you think the dual sub is worth the extra ££££ over the 1 x sub using fives as surrounds?
I am so sorry mark... but yes. The difference is remarkable.
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Dam, thought u may have said that, looks like a gen3 sub is on the shopping list then!
What was the source.. was it a demo disk?
It's downloaded from dolby digital labs.
Wow! Nice review! One question is it okay to combine arc+sub+2SL+2five? Or you can only add 1 pair of subs? I have arc+sub+2SL so I’m not sure if adding five is possible.
Good video boss. Just want to check with you what projector have you been using? Sorry for the off topic.
All good, it's a Wemax A300 Ultra short throw 4K laser projector.
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Dear Peter,
Thank you very much for the reviewing. I am interested to know how to make the people who are living second floor or next to me, coming and tell me either to low the sound or let them to come and enjoy haha. May I know what Sonos speakers have to buy to do that?
If you want them to come to you, then it’s definitely the sub! two of them so they’ll bring the police too!
@@PeterPee hahaha 😂. Thank you very much.
Really good video not sure if you can add subtitles? Not trying to be a smartass
@12:36 seriously sounded like the second coming of the lord almighty
Haha... I just jumped to 12:36 and out of context, it sounded exactly like you described.
Arc or hta5000 with sub
Outright sound performance, the HTA. In fact I suspect you might not even need the sub. For longevity and higher resale value, the Sonos arc.
@@PeterPee thx for the reply. I went with the sonos with the equalizer being the deciding factor. Fingers crossed !
Is there a way to get the Sonos arc connected directly to a Samsung tv (earc) and get Dolby Atmos over the integrated Netflix-, Disney+ app?
yes thats no problem. I have a q80t
@@martinwolfsbauer5364 but is it real Atmos? What is the difference to a Atmos enabled tv?
@@AA-yq7qu its real Atmos via Dolby digital plus
@@martinwolfsbauer5364 Is it the same thing though? Including the top two channels?
Yes- i used apple tv and got the most from such a setup
I bet this setup sounds amazing. But I don't think my wife's gonna let me spend another $1700 to add another sub and switch from ones to fives.
If you have the Arc and the sub and ones for surround, you are already in a very good place. And when you say $1700 for the sub and switching to the fives, it then dawned on me that maybe you should sell the idea as getting another stereo setup for $1700...