All I can say is wow. I have over 10k in sonos systems and can truly tell you I haven’t went this in depth in learning what my systems can do. Subscribed and look forward to your other videos.
About to add a Sub to my Arc + double One set up. Thank you so much for all the invaluable information about Sonos ecosystem. Couldn't get here without your channel and Sonos really elevated my viewing/gaming experience. I was a bit afraid to add a Sub because I live in a condo, but had to go for it even if it means turning the sub down to next to nothing level because of all the recommendations. Please keep sharing your knowledge! Happy holidays.
Finally an empirical test of the sub performance within the 3 possible orientations. Many ads for Sonos have the slot facing the MLP while I have mine placed sideway beside the tv console to save space. Have always wondered if it was the right way to do it since it contravenes most of the Sonos ads I have seen. I can now conclude that the ads are placing slots facing MLP for the maximum visual effect / presentation :)
Yes, that’s correct. The visuals are immediately associated with Sonos. :) And there is very little difference as Long as you have space for it to ‘breathe’ a little.
Fantastic work! Always wanted to see a frequency response graph for the Sub (especially the acoustic port positions tot MLP). Great to see objective measurements to get a baseline for any decision making/thoughts.
Came across your channel weeks ago and straight of I subscribed am I glad your very helpful and having decided to get the arc now want the sub your so informative
Peter, thank you so much for your beautiful and good advice! You are a professional man! I also own a Sonos system, the sound is amazing, I have a question, I have Sonos arc plus sub gen 3 and two Sonos one SL, is it worth buying a Sonos era 300? Does it add anything to the sound of the whole system?
Hi Peter! I just incorporated my new Sub Gen 3 and the enhancement is awesome! Thank you for your informative feedback! Have you done videos on short throw projectors?
I have 2 Sonos Five with a sub gen 3 sub from about 3 days and trying to find best setup for Music.i fel true play isnt e everytime working well .can i set it off and use the eq for better sound?Also when true playing my Room is very long and i just true play the are where i am listening,should i try cover the entire room?
I've really been learning a lot about my recently purchased Sonos system from your channel; this video, in particular, was really informative. I have my sub gen 3 currently in a vertical position facing the MLP, but will now also try it in a horizontal position to see how that configuration sounds. Can't wait for the Era 300s I ordered from Sonos yesterday to arrive on Tuesday to take the Arc and Sub to the next level!
No I have not tested the positions for the rear channels. Primarily because I don’t have a good place for them! I’ll figure something out and have this added to my video queue.
Hey bro where you live? I live in Singapore too hehe. Would be interesting if sonos allow for dual sub configuration. That will balance out the Low frequency and reduce the localization of the sub
Thank you Peter for the great video! 1 quick question: 1) You mentioned that during Trueplay, i should place the microphone of the handphone point forward, towards the Arc, do i do it right from the start of Trueplay, and i should just do Trueplay while being seated on the sofa? Even if i were to stand up and move around, i should just do it near my usual sitting position on the sofa and not move closer to the Arc?
Point upwards towards the ceiling when you’re doing the seated part of true play. When you’re walking around, point it towards the arc. You can walk around your listening area. Sometimes true play will tell you that you have not covered enough space. In that case expand the walking a little more.
Really wish the arc had hdmi in I like to use my projector which doesn't have Dolby atmos but with sony or Vizio you can get Dolby atmos from your ps5's uhd or firestick max from the hdmi pass through
Awesome content. I just ordered an Arc and sub combo from Sonos shipping July 31. I used my 30% coupon for my gen 1 Play 5. Also have a Playbar but thats going upstairs for music. Was only going to get the Arc but with such a big discount I went for the sub too. Gonna run the Arc first on its own and then later on add the Sub to see the difference.
Thank you for another great video, very informative. I have my sub behind my sofa between my play 1's that are mounted on my wall 2 feet above my ear level. My sofa is close to the wall
Doesn’t mean there is a negative. If the room modes supports the blending of the sub well, then the placement at the rear might work well too. For me, the front of the room is where it works. And to the left corner where there is less open space.
Happy for you! Glad that I managed to convince you! You won’t be unhappy with you. You can thank me again after you set it up and watch a couple of movies!
Very helpful video, thank you! I can’t wait to get my Sub and play around with the placement now. Thanks for the idea of under the couch, I actually have an outlet there, I hope I have clearance!
Just got my ARC and Gen 3 today and just waiting on the One SL pairs. I’m about to set everything up. I’ve been watching his videos on everything Sonos and he is amazing. Can’t wait to hear this. I got a 2020 LG and it has eARC so it should sound even better than how amazing he already said it sounded.
Happy to share and hope you are impressed with the sound. First time I heard Sonos I was mildly impressed in the store. When I got it home, I was blown away. Sonos demos in stores tend to be at crowded locations and thus noisy environment. In home environment, they shine better.
Peter Pee I’ve had it for almost two weeks now and I really love it. The sub by itself was a huge addition and then the one sl’s added even more depth. The only issue I’ve had is that no matter what I try I don’t get Atmos. I have a 2020 LG Nano 90 tv that has eARC and pass through but it still doesn’t work. Everything in my setup including my hdmi audioquest cables are all eARC compatible so I think it’s my tv. The pass through isn’t working like it should. I doubt it’s the arc because everything is working beautifully and sounds amazing. Just haven’t been able to test the Atmos which is why I purchased it so it’s frustrating 🤦🏽♂️
It could be an LG issue. I’ve heard there were plenty of issues with a new firmware update and you might get some answers if you search in that direction. I don’t have a recent LG tv so I can’t help.
always watching Your videos, i am almost a audiophile person i could say, and thats how i build my sonos system with a sub. using beam and two one’s as surrounds and sub gen3 sounds amazing and its just because Your videos and my own kind of similar knowledge. Trusting You, thank You!
Awesome review and thanks for posting video's like these, I can 'mostly' understand. Question: I plan to move into a house with a great room of approx. 20 X 25. Will the Sonos Sub Gen be a good choice?
Yes, absolutely. In a room of that size, you should definitely use a sub to supplement the sound of the main sonos Speakers. Just to be clear, the sub on its own doesn't make music ya. You need to pair it with a sonos speaker.
What about right behind the couch? With enough space around the sub but very close to the listening position? I'm curious. Or is in front always better?
I find that a front stage is always better. A sonos sub has a tendency to direct attention to itself because of a slightly highest crossover point. So if you place it behind, there is a possibility that you might hear where the sub is, which means less than ideal integration. You should try to push it to the front if you could help it. But, really, in a pinch, anywhere is still fine and you will enjoy it.
Either way you place it won’t matter. It will still affect your neighbours if you turn it up too high. You can place a foam pad under the sub so there is less vibration going through the floor but if it’s loud they are still going to hear it.
I got my sub today, I have not got room at the front by TV/ARC, so was going to try at the back of room in the corner, or perhaps under my seating position, horizontally. As for settings I may try loudness on, had it off so far going by other comments. @Peter Pee, do I need to re-run trueplay each time I try the sub in different positions?
@@PeterPee Thanks very much, not tested it yet, but I believe I have at least 6-7 inches free above it like this. I would have followed your advice about having it vertical front facing next to soundbar, but I have not got the space, so hopefully under my seating position will sound ok.
Great video Peter! This was actually what many of us wanted to know. Maybe two additional questions (haven't checked out all of your videos and maybe I missed some or comments made by others): would you mind doing a video on the right application of Trueplay as well as on the questions how sub characteristics will change through the additional second sub option?
The placement is also important for phase alignment of the sub with the stereo pair, ideally it is reinforcing the LF radiation from the stereo par with no lag or gain. My old JL Labs sub had an infinitely variable phase adjustment dial just for that, I'm hoping that truplay does just that; i.e. to correct phase alignment of all speakers as part of its DSP capability.
Hi Peter! Great video! Due to space constraints, I may only be able to place the sub beside my couch, standing vertically, with the opening of the sub facing the side of my couch. Is this an okay way for placement of the Sub?
How about the other side of the opening, does it face the wall? Ideally there should be about 6 inches of space between the hole and its surrounding. Facing is ok if you have 6 inches of space.
Hi Peter, the other side of the opening of the Sub is not being blocked by any objects, the nearest object is the dining table, which is around 40inches away at least.
Freaking amazing channel! About to buy a Sonos Arc to pair along with my LG OLED from 2016. Looking foward to listen to the ARC and ATMOS sound. Even tho i need a HDFury box. But that's ordered aswell! :D
Thank you Peter! I’m looking to buy my first SONOS kit and your videos are proving invaluable with your attention to detail and knowledge of the products. Question: would you recommend I purchase and introduce the following all at once, or do it piece by piece: SONOS ARC (Wall Mounted), Sub Gen 3, and one pair of One SL speakers (wall mounted behind sofa)?
Hey, if you are getting into Sonos first, then I say do it piece by piece. You’ll get wowed every time you add a new pice if equipment to it. The feeling is great! So get used to the sound and then when you’re just about familiar, add another component. And repeat! The order I’d recommend is : arc, followed by one sl for surround, following by sub gen 3. You will be blown away at every stage! Time the about 3 weeks apart. Oh gosh I am just so excited about it thinking it through for you!
The old adage is, subs are almost omni-directional, as we just aren't evolved to be able to descern low frequency direction (our sculls are literally too small) - you will get very minimal improvements by putting them close to your mid range and tweeters - but really for that cinematic feeling, having them anywhere in the room won't make much difference.
Great video! I like the amount of information you provided. I have a couple of questions. Would having the sub about a foot away to the left of the television potentially damage the television due to the magnetic power from the sub gen 3? What is the television that you're using?
@@PeterPee I got the subs hooked up Lastnight, the mind is blown,😁 I can't believe the difference it makes..I put the sub in my bedroom under the bed about 2 feet in front of me witch is bang right in the middle of the room and most say it sounds amazing I can't believe I waited so long to get them..i watched few we movie clips Lastnight one was abit of jurassic Park the scene where the dinosaurs are stumping around I literally felt it 😁 I'm going to watch a few blurrys tonight as it was quite late on Lastnight the time I got them hooked up...but so far massive 👍 up......I'm loving them 👍.....
You’re heaping praise on them and that’s good! I have never recommended a sub to anyone and have them call me out for a bad recommendation! Glad that you found them fit for purpose!
Great video! It answered some questions I had for some time now. However, I have seen some people positioning the sub on TV stands next to TVs and soudnabars. Would that be okay as there are no vibrations ?
Well I actually never had it so high up before. When it’s on the floor, the floor actually acts as reinforcement to the sound for the bass to be stronger. Being higher up might compromise a bit on the output levels.
I have the sonos sub vertically up behind the couch left side room. Using an a sonos arc and two sonos ones. Do we not want that? Sounds and feels good.
Hey mate, I just bought this sub and am wondering if it'll be ok to place it on top of a TV cabinet? Position wise I could place it the left but it would be elevated by about 1.7 ft just behind the sonos arc which will be on the lip of the cabinet.
Wall mounting for aesthetics are great. Just remember to perform trueplay again after mounting. For the Sonos arc specifically, it actually detects that it is wall mounted and alters its bass response to take care of that. I have not tried it but that’s what’s been advertised.
Hallo, gibts es vielleicht jemanden der mir die wichtigsten punkte auf deutsch übersetzt? Diese art von videos gibt es leider nur auf englisch und kein deutsch. Allerdings ist es glaube ich genau dir Information die ich brauche. Liebe Grüße
Ooohh.. I have never thought of wall mounting a sub before! Well, first off, it's quite heavy so make sure the mount supports it. It doesn't have vibration so that is one less thing to worry about. If you are putting it on furniture, take care to make sure the furniture is strong enough to hold it too! But otherwise, I don't see why there will be problems. Oh ya, remember to give it some room to breathe! Don't close it all up.
Thank you very much for taking the timeand addressing everyone's questions! This question came up because Sonos wrote that the sub is designed to be placed on the floor. I wonder if placing it NOT on the floor will arm the sound. There is the Flexson wall mount for the sub. It looks very good. What do you think about it? Placing it on tv unit is another option. This will allow more options for designing the living room, and will prevent the vacuum robot from depraving the sub How much distance would you recommend keeping between the sub and the wall behind it?
Hi Peter, ended up investing in a sub gen 3 during the 11.11 sale. Was wondering whether the placement of the sub mattered as much if I am going to run trueplay anyway? And if it does matter should I do the sub crawl before running trueplay? Thank you in advance as always!
I added a Gen 3 Sub to my Beam/One SL set-up. I just placed the sub that looked the best in my office (right side of LG OLED 55C1 pop up TV cabinet). I ran Trueplay and been happy with the sub performance since.
I originally placed my Sub next to my entertainment console which houses my Soundbar. It was on the RH side facing me. Although it sounded fine, I thought I could better and after experimenting I have it next to between my couch(6 inches away from the couch and 4 inches from the wall) and a side chair perpendicular) facing the TV and Soundbar. To me it just sounds better.
That space is helping your sub reinforce the bass. That’s something that might appeal to quite a few users. If that doesn’t draw attention to The sub’s location, then it’s a great option.
Hello Peter. I have been watching your videos and they are fantastic. You really are an expert in the subject matter. I have a question. Due to space constraint i will need to keep the Sonos sub laying flat just under the Sonos arc. Will that create affect the sound quality. I am planning to buy soon.
Hi Peter! If you have a cabinet with acoustically transparent fabric panel on the cabinet door, could the sub go in there? It’s designed for a speaker to go in, but the sub would fit. I know they can go under a couch-so is this any different for performance?
If the air is free to flow then I guess it's ok. You are certain that there is space for the bass frequencies to come out ya? Under a sound, there is space to the front and sides and sometimes back. It's not surrounded 5 out of 6 sides. So if your cabinet is really big, I guess you might be able to get away with it.
Good question and I never thought about it before! But because the construction (including the port) is totally symmetrical, it really doesn't matter. Either direction will work.
I have my Sonos Sub positioned to the right of the tv stand and Sonos Arc standing up. Should the sub be against the wall in this set up? I have it about 10” away from the wall now and am wondering if against is the preferred position?
No. It’s not against the preferred position. I have it about 12 inches away from the wall too. And unless you are lacking bass, you don’t have to move it any nearer against the way.
Thanks for the great video! I'm wondering, what would be the optimal distance from the wall to have the Sonos Sub? Would 6 inches (15 cm) suffice? Or is that too close?
The structure won’t affect the bass as the sub is virtually vibration free. But sub woofers usually benefit from being on the floor and having some bass reinforcement. It might sound a bit thinner if elevated.
Appreciate when you give the answer up front, but then go into detail afterwards. Great videos and easy to follow!
Glad it was helpful!
All I can say is wow. I have over 10k in sonos systems and can truly tell you I haven’t went this in depth in learning what my systems can do. Subscribed and look forward to your other videos.
What did you buy for 10k 😮 ?
@@2SEXY I have 15 different amps, not counting the cost of the subs, play 5’s, beams, 2 arcs, 3 moves. I don’t have the roam hahah
this is awesome!!
Dude...this video is INCREDIBLE. You are excellent at explaining this and you just saved me so much time. Sincere thanks you are a hero!
Thanks for the compliment!
Another in depth Great review Peter! Loads of useful information! Fantastic work that is really helpful!
Another great video, your harwork really shows. Thanks for doing this for us!
About to add a Sub to my Arc + double One set up. Thank you so much for all the invaluable information about Sonos ecosystem. Couldn't get here without your channel and Sonos really elevated my viewing/gaming experience. I was a bit afraid to add a Sub because I live in a condo, but had to go for it even if it means turning the sub down to next to nothing level because of all the recommendations. Please keep sharing your knowledge! Happy holidays.
Just look at it this way. If you ever move into a home or townhome, you'll have the sub ready to go and crank that sucker up 😀
Finally an empirical test of the sub performance within the 3 possible orientations.
Many ads for Sonos have the slot facing the MLP while I have mine placed sideway beside the tv console to save space. Have always wondered if it was the right way to do it since it contravenes most of the Sonos ads I have seen.
I can now conclude that the ads are placing slots facing MLP for the maximum visual effect / presentation :)
Yes, that’s correct. The visuals are immediately associated with Sonos. :) And there is very little difference as Long as you have space for it to ‘breathe’ a little.
Fantastic work! Always wanted to see a frequency response graph for the Sub (especially the acoustic port positions tot MLP). Great to see objective measurements to get a baseline for any decision making/thoughts.
Doubtful you will have clearance. If you do. Go for it. Just trying to manage your expectations. Have a look at the dimensions.
Came across your channel weeks ago and straight of I subscribed am I glad your very helpful and having decided to get the arc now want the sub your so informative
Thanks Stuart! I love that I’m able to help provide relevant information!
sonos arc + sub + one x2 is best 2020 soundbar system
You're the Vincent Teoh (HDTVTest) of sound! So detailed.
You’re giving me a lot to live up to. :) I have a Long way to go. But I’m working hard!
Are you Vincent father?
Haha. Gosh I better keep up my skin maintenance routine.
This is awesome. Exactly the info I needed to setup my sub.
Great that you found it useful!
Thanks so much for such a great video!!! Excellent!!!
Can’t argue with scientific facts! Awesome video!!
Thanks. My sub arrived yesterday and these videos are helpful
Good to know you find them useful!
Gonna try my sub under my couch now
Peter, thank you so much for your beautiful and good advice! You are a professional man! I also own a Sonos system, the sound is amazing, I have a question, I have Sonos arc plus sub gen 3 and two Sonos one SL, is it worth buying a Sonos era 300? Does it add anything to the sound of the whole system?
Hi Peter! I just incorporated my new Sub Gen 3 and the enhancement is awesome! Thank you for your informative feedback! Have you done videos on short throw projectors?
No actually. I have not done it. I don’t think I am able to go in depth into them as I might not know too much about what they are about.
@@PeterPee I understand...thank you for the reply.
I have 2 Sonos Five with a sub gen 3 sub from about 3 days and trying to find best setup for Music.i fel true play isnt e everytime working well .can i set it off and use the eq for better sound?Also when true playing my Room is very long and i just true play the are where i am listening,should i try cover the entire room?
I've really been learning a lot about my recently purchased Sonos system from your channel; this video, in particular, was really informative. I have my sub gen 3 currently in a vertical position facing the MLP, but will now also try it in a horizontal position to see how that configuration sounds. Can't wait for the Era 300s I ordered from Sonos yesterday to arrive on Tuesday to take the Arc and Sub to the next level!
I have it behind my couch and i can feel the base. Highly recommended
Hello. Thank you. Great work. Have you done a video for positioning the play 1's for the arc surround sound. Height, distance etc??
No I have not tested the positions for the rear channels. Primarily because I don’t have a good place for them! I’ll figure something out and have this added to my video queue.
Hey bro where you live? I live in Singapore too hehe. Would be interesting if sonos allow for dual sub configuration. That will balance out the Low frequency and reduce the localization of the sub
Nice video by the way. I watch all the ads between your videos to support you. Good luck !!
That’s a very nice thing to do. I thank you!
Awesome video ! Thanks so much. Now I can enjoy some good action movies.
Thank you Peter for the great video! 1 quick question:
1) You mentioned that during Trueplay, i should place the microphone of the handphone point forward, towards the Arc, do i do it right from the start of Trueplay, and i should just do Trueplay while being seated on the sofa? Even if i were to stand up and move around, i should just do it near my usual sitting position on the sofa and not move closer to the Arc?
Point upwards towards the ceiling when you’re doing the seated part of true play. When you’re walking around, point it towards the arc. You can walk around your listening area. Sometimes true play will tell you that you have not covered enough space. In that case expand the walking a little more.
Thank you for your reply and great advice!
You are a sense! Very logical, and practical/realistic. Awesome!!!
I appreciate that!
Really wish the arc had hdmi in
I like to use my projector which doesn't have Dolby atmos but with sony or Vizio you can get Dolby atmos from your ps5's uhd or firestick max from the hdmi pass through
Yeah, this is one sore point.
Awesome content. I just ordered an Arc and sub combo from Sonos shipping July 31. I used my 30% coupon for my gen 1 Play 5. Also have a Playbar but thats going upstairs for music. Was only going to get the Arc but with such a big discount I went for the sub too. Gonna run the Arc first on its own and then later on add the Sub to see the difference.
That’s a great process to take. You’ll then truly understand what each piece of equipment does for you!
Thank you for another great video, very informative. I have my sub behind my sofa between my play 1's that are mounted on my wall 2 feet above my ear level. My sofa is close to the wall
The behind the sofa position seems to be a popular one! I think only Sonos affords this flexibility due to its small slim enclosure!
I know you said you should place the sub towards the front but what are the negative points if you put it towards the back near the sorrounds?
Doesn’t mean there is a negative. If the room modes supports the blending of the sub well, then the placement at the rear might work well too. For me, the front of the room is where it works. And to the left corner where there is less open space.
This video definitely earned my subscription. To the point precise and thorough. Love the voice and accent. Keep it up.
Cool! Thank you! I actually have a very coarse voice and I recognise that it might be hard to hear. So I try harder to speak clearer. :)
The accent is ... unique... but it’s the thought, the content and the science he uses that are very special.
Thanks Pete, I just picked up a gen 3 today. Can't wait to get home and set it up.
Happy for you! Glad that I managed to convince you! You won’t be unhappy with you. You can thank me again after you set it up and watch a couple of movies!
Very helpful video, thank you! I can’t wait to get my Sub and play around with the placement now. Thanks for the idea of under the couch, I actually have an outlet there, I hope I have clearance!
Fantastic! Very proffesional and passionate about sound. Love you videos, Well done!😀
Thank you very much!
Just got my ARC and Gen 3 today and just waiting on the One SL pairs. I’m about to set everything up. I’ve been watching his videos on everything Sonos and he is amazing. Can’t wait to hear this. I got a 2020 LG and it has eARC so it should sound even better than how amazing he already said it sounded.
Happy to share and hope you are impressed with the sound.
First time I heard Sonos I was mildly impressed in the store. When I got it home, I was blown away. Sonos demos in stores tend to be at crowded locations and thus noisy environment. In home environment, they shine better.
Peter Pee I’ve had it for almost two weeks now and I really love it. The sub by itself was a huge addition and then the one sl’s added even more depth. The only issue I’ve had is that no matter what I try I don’t get Atmos. I have a 2020 LG Nano 90 tv that has eARC and pass through but it still doesn’t work. Everything in my setup including my hdmi audioquest cables are all eARC compatible so I think it’s my tv. The pass through isn’t working like it should. I doubt it’s the arc because everything is working beautifully and sounds amazing. Just haven’t been able to test the Atmos which is why I purchased it so it’s frustrating 🤦🏽♂️
It could be an LG issue. I’ve heard there were plenty of issues with a new firmware update and you might get some answers if you search in that direction. I don’t have a recent LG tv so I can’t help.
Cual es la mejor ubicación del Sonos Sub? No puedo dejarlo debajo de mi sofá 😢
Has anybody played it under a couch ?
I love your structured video and summary up front. All very clear. Thanks a lot!
Incredible explanation! Sub and Like added!
Awesome, thank you!
always watching Your videos, i am almost a audiophile person i could say, and thats how i build my sonos system with a sub. using beam and two one’s as surrounds and sub gen3 sounds amazing and its just because Your videos and my own kind of similar knowledge. Trusting You, thank You!
Thank you for your support and trust my friend!
Awesome review and thanks for posting video's like these, I can 'mostly' understand.
Question: I plan to move into a house with a great room of approx. 20 X 25. Will the Sonos Sub Gen be a good choice?
Yes, absolutely. In a room of that size, you should definitely use a sub to supplement the sound of the main sonos Speakers. Just to be clear, the sub on its own doesn't make music ya. You need to pair it with a sonos speaker.
What about right behind the couch? With enough space around the sub but very close to the listening position? I'm curious.
Or is in front always better?
I find that a front stage is always better. A sonos sub has a tendency to direct attention to itself because of a slightly highest crossover point. So if you place it behind, there is a possibility that you might hear where the sub is, which means less than ideal integration. You should try to push it to the front if you could help it. But, really, in a pinch, anywhere is still fine and you will enjoy it.
@@PeterPee thanks for the reply. Great content from users perspective.
how do I place it and orient it, when I live in an apartment with neighbors below me?
Either way you place it won’t matter. It will still affect your neighbours if you turn it up too high. You can place a foam pad under the sub so there is less vibration going through the floor but if it’s loud they are still going to hear it.
Hi great information. Which mic and software are you using to capture frequency response?
I am using a umik-1 and REW software!
Thanks for valuable inputs
I got my sub today, I have not got room at the front by TV/ARC, so was going to try at the back of room in the corner, or perhaps under my seating position, horizontally. As for settings I may try loudness on, had it off so far going by other comments. @Peter Pee, do I need to re-run trueplay each time I try the sub in different positions?
From my testing horizontal position yields marginally better bass output. Make sure you have enough clearance above the sub though!
@@PeterPee Thanks very much, not tested it yet, but I believe I have at least 6-7 inches free above it like this. I would have followed your advice about having it vertical front facing next to soundbar, but I have not got the space, so hopefully under my seating position will sound ok.
Under the seat has its advantages too. Sometimes you can literally feel the bass.
Hole facing me is better
Great video Peter! This was actually what many of us wanted to know.
Maybe two additional questions (haven't checked out all of your videos and maybe I missed some or comments made by others): would you mind doing a video on the right application of Trueplay as well as on the questions how sub characteristics will change through the additional second sub option?
The placement is also important for phase alignment of the sub with the stereo pair, ideally it is reinforcing the LF radiation from the stereo par with no lag or gain. My old JL Labs sub had an infinitely variable phase adjustment dial just for that, I'm hoping that truplay does just that; i.e. to correct phase alignment of all speakers as part of its DSP capability.
Hi Peter! Great video! Due to space constraints, I may only be able to place the sub beside my couch, standing vertically, with the opening of the sub facing the side of my couch. Is this an okay way for placement of the Sub?
How about the other side of the opening, does it face the wall? Ideally there should be about 6 inches of space between the hole and its surrounding. Facing is ok if you have 6 inches of space.
Hi Peter, the other side of the opening of the Sub is not being blocked by any objects, the nearest object is the dining table, which is around 40inches away at least.
Please enable subtitles
Thanks Peter for your easy to understand explanations in this video. Appreciate your advice greatly.
Freaking amazing channel! About to buy a Sonos Arc to pair along with my LG OLED from 2016. Looking foward to listen to the ARC and ATMOS sound. Even tho i need a HDFury box. But that's ordered aswell! :D
Cool! You have a complete solution now!
@@PeterPee Totally. All this research pays off in the end usually. :)
Keep up the amazing work.
Make sure you plug it on the HDMI port marked ARC on your TV.
@@josephkampilimba6899 I guess that's kinda self explanatory. 😅
Does ur 2016 TV have ARC HDMI? most important to have ARC
Thank you Peter! I’m looking to buy my first SONOS kit and your videos are proving invaluable with your attention to detail and knowledge of the products.
Question: would you recommend I purchase and introduce the following all at once, or do it piece by piece: SONOS ARC (Wall Mounted), Sub Gen 3, and one pair of One SL speakers (wall mounted behind sofa)?
Hey, if you are getting into Sonos first, then I say do it piece by piece. You’ll get wowed every time you add a new pice if equipment to it. The feeling is great! So get used to the sound and then when you’re just about familiar, add another component. And repeat!
The order I’d recommend is : arc, followed by one sl for surround, following by sub gen 3.
You will be blown away at every stage! Time the about 3 weeks apart. Oh gosh I am just so excited about it thinking it through for you!
Best videos. Thanks!
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Good info and timely
The old adage is, subs are almost omni-directional, as we just aren't evolved to be able to descern low frequency direction (our sculls are literally too small) - you will get very minimal improvements by putting them close to your mid range and tweeters - but really for that cinematic feeling, having them anywhere in the room won't make much difference.
Great video! I like the amount of information you provided.
I have a couple of questions.
Would having the sub about a foot away to the left of the television potentially damage the television due to the magnetic power from the sub gen 3?
What is the television that you're using?
Hey Peter can you do a video with a graph showing the sound curve of the playbar versus the Arc?
Hi Pete! What do you think of wallmounting the subwoofer?
Just bought flexson Wall mount. Where should i put it?
Peter pee excellent video, you've just saved me a lot of time thanks.. I'm getting subs today at 4.00pm so hopefully get them setup later 👍.....
Woohoo! It’s coming! Have fun and enjoy them!
@@PeterPee I got the subs hooked up Lastnight, the mind is blown,😁 I can't believe the difference it makes..I put the sub in my bedroom under the bed about 2 feet in front of me witch is bang right in the middle of the room and most say it sounds amazing I can't believe I waited so long to get them..i watched few we movie clips Lastnight one was abit of jurassic Park the scene where the dinosaurs are stumping around I literally felt it 😁 I'm going to watch a few blurrys tonight as it was quite late on Lastnight the time I got them hooked up...but so far massive 👍 up......I'm loving them 👍.....
You’re heaping praise on them and that’s good! I have never recommended a sub to anyone and have them call me out for a bad recommendation! Glad that you found them fit for purpose!
Can't you fix most of this via the SONOS room calibration procedure?
Great video! It answered some questions I had for some time now. However, I have seen some people positioning the sub on TV stands next to TVs and soudnabars. Would that be okay as there are no vibrations ?
Well I actually never had it so high up before. When it’s on the floor, the floor actually acts as reinforcement to the sound for the bass to be stronger. Being higher up might compromise a bit on the output levels.
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This is how mine is, and it sounds fine. I can’t imagine what it would sound like if it was on the floor 🤯
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Hey thanks for the feedback!
Pete, can you have one Sub ( front right ) facing you while the rear Sub ( back left ) diagonal corner facing side ways ?
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Thank you very much!
I have the sonos sub vertically up behind the couch left side room. Using an a sonos arc and two sonos ones. Do we not want that? Sounds and feels good.
Hey mate, I just bought this sub and am wondering if it'll be ok to place it on top of a TV cabinet? Position wise I could place it the left but it would be elevated by about 1.7 ft just behind the sonos arc which will be on the lip of the cabinet.
Will you be doing how to place Sonos Sub Mini?
Yes! I am working extensively on that video. It requires some really really hard work.. You will get it when I release that video.
So useful!!! Thanks!
Awesome work. Question for you - I’m tempted to wall mount using a Sonos or Flexson mount for aesthetics. What’s your opinion on this?
Wall mounting for aesthetics are great. Just remember to perform trueplay again after mounting. For the Sonos arc specifically, it actually detects that it is wall mounted and alters its bass response to take care of that. I have not tried it but that’s what’s been advertised.
Just moved my sub near my ARC. Thanks
thank you for another video on sono sub
This one is more generic. Applies to almost all subs, except the port facing part.
This is so helpful, thank you.
Thank you for all of the great videos! Subscribed!
Peter. Thank you for this excellent video. I now own both an Arc and the Sub Gen 3... mostly, because of your enthusiastic reviews.
Thanks you
Great video Peter! I am getting my Sonos sub today, and it was so helpful!
Hey can you put a sonos sub in another room , say upstairs ? If your sonos system is downstairs ?
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First, really like your channel! Great videos!
What about placing the sub on furniture, or using a wall mount?
Ooohh.. I have never thought of wall mounting a sub before! Well, first off, it's quite heavy so make sure the mount supports it. It doesn't have vibration so that is one less thing to worry about.
If you are putting it on furniture, take care to make sure the furniture is strong enough to hold it too! But otherwise, I don't see why there will be problems.
Oh ya, remember to give it some room to breathe! Don't close it all up.
Thank you very much for taking the timeand addressing everyone's questions!
This question came up because Sonos wrote that the sub is designed to be placed on the floor.
I wonder if placing it NOT on the floor will arm the sound.
There is the Flexson wall mount for the sub. It looks very good. What do you think about it?
Placing it on tv unit is another option.
This will allow more options for designing the living room, and will prevent the vacuum robot from depraving the sub
How much distance would you recommend keeping between the sub and the wall behind it?
I’d recommend at lest a 4” clearance and if you can allow for it, 6”.
And Subwoofers are usually on the floor because it helps reinforce the bass for extra output.
Thank you!
Great video and information as always Peter 🙏
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Peter, when adding the sub with the arc - does the sound re-disperse between the arc and sub automatically or does it just rely on TRUEPLAY?
It will be automatic. You don't need trueplay.
I put my sonos sub in the middle behind my couch.
Hi Peter, ended up investing in a sub gen 3 during the 11.11 sale. Was wondering whether the placement of the sub mattered as much if I am going to run trueplay anyway? And if it does matter should I do the sub crawl before running trueplay? Thank you in advance as always!
I added a Gen 3 Sub to my Beam/One SL set-up. I just placed the sub that looked the best in my office (right side of LG OLED 55C1 pop up TV cabinet). I ran Trueplay and been happy with the sub performance since.
Great and thorough video. Thanks for the clear and concise information.
I originally placed my Sub next to my entertainment console which houses my Soundbar. It was on the RH side facing me. Although it sounded fine, I thought I could better and after experimenting I have it next to between my couch(6 inches away from the couch and 4 inches from the wall) and a side chair perpendicular) facing the TV and Soundbar. To me it just sounds better.
That space is helping your sub reinforce the bass. That’s something that might appeal to quite a few users. If that doesn’t draw attention to The sub’s location, then it’s a great option.
Very helpful, thanks.
Hello Peter. I have been watching your videos and they are fantastic. You really are an expert in the subject matter. I have a question. Due to space constraint i will need to keep the Sonos sub laying flat just under the Sonos arc. Will that create affect the sound quality. I am planning to buy soon.
It depends on your environment but that will work. Bear in mind also that Sony did intend for the Sub to be placed on the side.
Hi Peter! If you have a cabinet with acoustically transparent fabric panel on the cabinet door, could the sub go in there? It’s designed for a speaker to go in, but the sub would fit. I know they can go under a couch-so is this any different for performance?
If the air is free to flow then I guess it's ok. You are certain that there is space for the bass frequencies to come out ya? Under a sound, there is space to the front and sides and sometimes back. It's not surrounded 5 out of 6 sides. So if your cabinet is really big, I guess you might be able to get away with it.
If you’re going to face the Sonos Sub with the opening towards you. Which way does the power button have to face ( Left or Right ) ?
Good question and I never thought about it before! But because the construction (including the port) is totally symmetrical, it really doesn't matter. Either direction will work.
I have my Sonos Sub positioned to the right of the tv stand and Sonos Arc standing up. Should the sub be against the wall in this set up? I have it about 10” away from the wall now and am wondering if against is the preferred position?
No. It’s not against the preferred position. I have it about 12 inches away from the wall too. And unless you are lacking bass, you don’t have to move it any nearer against the way.
Good job man! Helpful.
Thanks for the great video! I'm wondering, what would be the optimal distance from the wall to have the Sonos Sub? Would 6 inches (15 cm) suffice? Or is that too close?
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Thanks for the compliment!
How does the sub sound on a cabinet shelf. There is no obstruction and only adds elevation. Does this affect the sound negatively?
The structure won’t affect the bass as the sub is virtually vibration free. But sub woofers usually benefit from being on the floor and having some bass reinforcement. It might sound a bit thinner if elevated.