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- Vega Obscura vs Raven, the Berserk Fury vs the Geno Breaker, who would take the cake and come out victorious? Find out in this video
In this one I'm going over multiple stages of Vega and Raven from their respective series Zoids New Century and Zoids Chaotic Century, addressing different feats they have and power scaling them to find out who would come out on top. I hope you all enjoy this fun theory video and have a fantastic day.
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0:00 Intro
0:21 Setting the ground rules
0:43 Vega vs Early Raven (Berserk Fury vs Saber Fang / Geno Saurer)
2:03 Vega vs Time Skip Raven (Berserk Fury vs Geno Saurer)
3:19 Vega vs Raven (Berserk Fury vs Geno Breaker)
3:29 Scaling the Berserk Fury
5:41 Scaling the Geno Breaker
7:35 The one thing which could turn the tides
8:27 So, who would win? - บันเทิง
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Also side note I’m now realising I never explicitly mention the role Shadow plays in all this, besides some offhanded comments, and in all honesty while Shadow does give Zoids quite a significant amp as all organoids do, I don’t think adding or removing him from the equation would alter my final outcome
That’s about it though as always thanks for watching and have a fantastic day!
I took a bathroom break at work just to watch. Thanks my dude.
Raven takes every potential fight against Vega. Easy. Raven is probably the best pilot in the Zoids series as a whole, imo. And like you said, he's just ruthless. Vega would most likely put up a good fight, but he just doesn't have the experience or ruthlessness that Raven has.
That’s it man, the Berserk Fury can only make up so much of the skill gap, and by the time Raven has a Geno Breaker it’s all over for Vega no matter what
why is the zoids community so small. you're a good content creator but you're one of the only.
Zoids is an excellent brand, but the owner has wasted it. It's a pity, that it should be better than Gundam, but because of the brand owner, it has reached an incomprehensible low point.
it tried to make a comeback in 2017 and what happened to it?@@user-dm4kn9uj9t
I think at the end Vega is just too inexperienced in comparison he should totally be able to fire the other 2 particle cannons while flying
Raven is a far more experienced pilot and is known for wiping out entire military bases as a young man in his early teens.
Vega takes out a few yahoos in a tournament with set rules.
Raven's gonna waste him.
Considering that Raven is only one generation of geno type zoid behind, but has actually killed people and clearly has years more experience than Vega as a pilot in significantly more dicey and life or death situations I think Raven wins this fight in the Geno Breaker 9 times out of 10. The only loss would happen if Raven got cocky and prodigy Vega knew how to capitalize on it.
I'd honestly have to say, Raven in his two Geno Saurers wasn't just ruthless, he just did not give a damn about what happened to his machine.
It would be hard, but I think Raven would win with the Geno Saurers because;
A) the mobility as you stated
B) One thing you didn't cover was when the Geno Saurer fought solo against the Iron Kong and was able to shock it. Mix that with the grappling arms, and that is an unexpected combo.
C) As stated, Raven in those times just didn't give a shit as long as he beat his enemy
I 100% agree I think Raven would win every time, it would take him being extremely reckless to not in my opinion, aka on the scale of standing over Van and bragging instead of finishing him off scale.
Although it's true that Vega beat the Lightning and Blitz team without armor, none of them actually took him seriously at first and therefore didn't fight to their Zoids strengths. I mean, since when does Jack throw his lightning siax away so carelessly in any other battle? The twins kind of tried but they still went head on and again none of them even used their boosters to try and knock him over with the blast of speed as they went by as we've become used to seeing. Brad in the Shadowfox gets knocked out by a single kick even though he and the Jager exchanged blows and both continued after in a battle prior? Kaaay... and Bit and the Jager just charged in as well so I'm always hard pressed to use that battle as an example but you're right, limited content for the Fury sadly.
The 3 Geno's against Vega was basically a show off of the shield imo considering there was never a fight :/ .
When Vega uses all three particle beams the Berserk Fury definitely can't move/spin around, I believe from the fact alone Vega got smashed back into his seat and seemingly couldn't even look because of how bright the beams, knowing Raven, if he doesn't just take it on the chin with his insane shield he would have used his boosters and flew around before the Fury fired.
The interesting thought is if they got into a brawl but with Raven's ruthlessness and experience, plus just the help of shadow to utilize the Breaker's power I don't see a loss for him unless he takes so long Shadow has to unfuse and the Fury's black box actually gets a chance to evolve/catch up.
Awesome video as always keep them coming! Thanks for the Zoids content we all desire and love.
Long life to the emperor of the Geno Family!!!!!
MORE OF THESE PLEASE!!!
Finally got home from work to watch this awesome video also I 100% agree with you on this fight
Raven was a seasoned soldier since he was a Kid he had many defeats and learned on every of them . He fought for his life . And even with monstrosities like The death Stinger and his biggest achievement. He took down the Definite shield of Death Saurer. ( with a Heavy damaged Geno Breaker)
Vega was a prodigy with no real opposition until Bit came along and we saw what happened at the end of the day. He had no answer against a Rival who was able of pushing him against the fence.
At that Point Vega would stand no change against Raven.
Yeah it’s true I didn’t even consider how banged up the Geno Breaker actually was when it broke through the Death Saurers shield
And yeah that was the big issue with Vega, he sought a challenge and finally when push came to shove he just couldn’t cope (probably cause he was still a kid) and literally got knocked out at the controls, so I doubt he’d fair well against Raven
Got to give it to Raven; without Shadow it would be a more grueling match though. Vega still acts like a kid (albeit a slightly psychopathic one). Raven still has more experience and more familiarity with his zoid. I also think the power difference between the Breaker and a base Fury isn't that large.
Even if Vega has a better Zoid, he is still a child, and Raven is way more experienced
I also think it was Shadow death that made him no longer crazy. Geno Breaker has ion cannons in the sky. The advantage is huge.
Raven struggled against the three Geno Saurers because they were fighting together to keep him off balance and unable to easily retaliate. Vega had no problem because the Fuma Team fired one CPC each and then just stood there.
Exactly, plus Raven got jumped and dogpiled from all sides with few openings to retaliate. Vega had plenty of time to react to the CPCs.
dang the back looking
great video btw
Cheers man!
Raven wins hands down, the experience alone sets up a huge gap between him and Vega. Vega is a prodigy but he never gets to reach his prime not only that the fact that the berserk fury has to be monitored for him from keeping it from going berserk plays a huge disadvantage as well for him. I say Blake from zoids fuzor would put up more of a fight and even so I still think raven would still take the win.
Another great video, you ever considering doing lore videos for each zoids?
I agree Raven is winning 10/10 times with shadow and 7/10 times without, Vega is a great pilot but its no hyperbole to say Revan is definitely the best pilot out of the two series combined, before he regained his memories he went around with basic zoids destroying whole bases and did damage to van with just a darkhorn if I remember correctly which is nuts. Also the one thing which wasn't touched upon is the time limit raven has with the geno breaker with shadow which I believe is a minute but I still think that's enough unless Vega knows of this weakness and tries to run. Anyway good video as always
Yeah Raven is just an insane pilot through and through, with or without shadow.
It was always insane seeing him mindlessly destroy bases with just like a Godos, the guy really was like a freak of nature.
There is a time limit for the breaker to be fused with shadow but I think it’s longer than a minute, if my memory serves me right Raven does say there’s ‘only a minute left’ but the screen/timer thing he’s looking at is about halfway depleted or more.
So I THINK he’d be looking at around 2-3 minutes fused with Shadow, but I’d have to rewatch a couple episode of GF to find out for sure 😅
Regardless even with only a minute, Raven would still take the W
Eh. I’d give Vega a bigger chance. His zoid has a built in organoid. One that’s probably more experienced than even shadow. Without shadow, Raven is fighting a genius prodigy with a permanent organoid with his Zoid.
Actually. 3 minutes , 180 seconds , lisse mentioned it . That's the time he took to Crush the Guardian force the first time and the Three Genos ( holding the shield and CPC )
Vega has no chance, he hasn't fought the opposition Raven did
@@aaa-bm1fv thanks for the correction, I remembered 1 minute because I believe that's how much time he had left to beat van in their final fight
@@kolinmartz it wasn't enough against Bit sooo.....
This needs more views!!!
Let me start by saying I'm very biased here. Chaotic Century and Guardian Force are my favorite of the zoids series because it felt more gritty so I'm always inclined to root for them and Raven has always been favorite character, I even named my son after him.
That being said it seems to be agreed that Raven has much more experience with combat and especially life or death combat. When it comes down to the nitty gritty having that experience far outpaces strategy. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. As it stands with Vega's experience level against Liger Zero and Raven's experience at the end of Guardian Force, Raven wins handily every time. Without Shadow it's a closer match, but I'd still lean towards Raven if ever so slightly, but with Shadow? No contest.
Now, if Vega gets much more combat experience then I think it would be a toss-up. At least eventually.
I believe the reason that the fury didn’t penetrate the hover cargo’s energy shield is because the fury itself didn’t want to win the fight/beat the lifer by blowing up the hover cargo.
The fury can most likely only fire 1 CPB from the air. The extra foot locks would be for when he fires 3 CPB at once, which would probably be way to much for its boosters.
One has three particle cannons with no organoid while the other has one particle cannon with an organoid, case close
Me encantan tus videos de analizis.
I like these videos this ones probably my favorite genobreaker is the goat though there is a aspect you didnt mention that may or may not make a difference the genobreakers armor is shown to be much more resilient than the berserk furys the genobreaker has survived crazythings like charged particle beams unshielded getting wailed on by hiltz in the deathstinger and death saurer admittedly being buffed by the zoid eve but the most it got was usually just an X breaker getting destroyed by a charged particle beam
The berserk furys buster claws got destoryed by the shadow foxs gun and the ligers strike laser clawclaw then its face armor got destroyed by the liger pouncing at it leading me to thinking the beserk fury traded the armor of the breaker for speed
Vega beat 3 geno saurers while Raven struggled. The problem is vega faced bum pilots who can't use those zoids to it's fullest potential.
If we're talking about manga version, raven easily takes this fight. More skill and experience. Not sure which one had more raw talent.
Raven's own Berserk fury in the manga is much more dangerous than the default one vega had. The former easily destroyed a geno breaker using his own Berserk fury.
I'm picking anime raven because of favoritism. I'm sure he'll struggle . The only issue I'll have is the fury is much quicker than the breaker. There's also the issue of shadow overheating. But I think a reborn shadow can handle the breaker better.
Vega likes to play which cost him his fight with Bit. It was the fury *itself* who gave Bit the most issue. Raven ain't playing around on the other hand. Dude is a cold killer.
would be one heck of a short episode, would be even better if Raven took Vega in and said I'll train you and that was the end of the episode
I agree with Raven being better. he is far more experienced than Vega. The berserk fury is the better zoid and if I'm correct Vega wore a special suit to handle the fury.. right ?
the part about bf being able to fire the particle cannon mid air I think not cause in the last fight when Vega was out cold and the BF was in full control it should have jumped into the air and fired the particle cannon at liger zero since Vega wasn't controlling it. that's what I see but could be wrong
Sadly we might never see Berserk Fury Shadow Edge in hmm model kit but in manga its result of shadows fusing with a berserk fury it had a charge particle cannon and it think translation was "lucifer blades" an eight blade attack. So vega would have no chance against Shadow Edge maybe against weaker version the Shadow Edge QE version.
I'm giving this fight to Raven .. even as a kid.. Raven is by no means already an experienced as a kid. Young Raven can even wreck Vega due differences in battle orientation. //:)
This is a topic that is difficult for me to decide on. There are many variables to consider.
We know that Vega is a genius in terms of piloting. His flawless win against Jack and Bit in that video game proves its not JUST the Fury's power alone carrying the match.
But we also saw how he was becoming frustrated and slowly overmatched in the climax of the last episode with Bit.
The final part of their fight alone has many things to discuss honestly. You can argue Bit and Liger's bond and determination was what led to their win. If that is the case, it stands to reason that with time as Vega bonds with the Fury more, he will gain a lot more power.
Another thing of interest in that fight is how exhausted Vega was becoming in that fight. A genius or not, raw talent and good instincts do not alone fully match up to seasoned experience. Fundamentally Bit was a more skilled pilot as he's been doing it for longer and while he might not be a "genius", he does have a deeper connection to Zoids than others.
If you really want to over simplify it, Liger vs Fury was basically Dark Magician vs Blue Eyes. lol
What is hard though is that New Century Zero nerfed many Zoids. The Gojulas should logically not lose to any team from New Century short of Vega. The Gojulas trades speed for power and armor. Its never going to avoid an attack, but short of a charged particle beam, you're never gonna hurt it either. So it frustrated me greatly seeing one appear in New Century only to get shreked by the Blitz team. Like, I'd be willing to bet that even Panzer's Hybrid Cannons would barely hurt it.
As you already suggested, The Fury to the Breaker is the same as the Liger Zero to the Blade Liger.
Blade liger was a great machine, but its major flaw is that it was very clunky in the end. Van's liger being as maneuverable as it was is pure plot armor as well as Zoidian enhancement. Same thing applies to the Breaker. The Breaker is a powerful machine no doubt, but its just clunky. The Fury does what the Breaker does, but also has smooth movement.
I would really love to do a deep dive on the numbers (there aren't any but you get it) regarding Charged Particle Beam power. The Geno Saurer and Breaker have powerful beams. But what is their raw output actually? Just how much more power is the Breaker outputting than the Saurer? And from there, just how much more is the Fury (if any) putting out over the Breaker? Realistically the Breaker could have demolished the Judge Satellite too. Though, with only 1 beam instead of 3, it wouldn't have broken up as much.
At the end of the day, in terms of the machines themselves, the Fury would win every time. Its the better machine. Pure and simple. HOWEVER, I would also point out that if you add Shadow into the equation, that MIGHT be just enough to compensate for the generation gap. Maybe.
Lets assume Shadow equals out the machines performances.
All that is left now is the pilots.
Vega is a genius, but lacks the field experience of a seasoned warrior like Raven. He has yet to develop pilot endurance and situational intuition that transcends raw talent.
Raven on the other hand, he's had years of training as a soldier and has proven to have the endurance for long fights.
The other thing I'd love to know is if the Breaker's shield can endure the Fury's attack or not. I'm guessing no but...
As a side note, what I really wanna see is the Xeno Rex scaled up to normal Zoids size. Have it rumble with titans like these. Heh.
Yeah there’s definitely a lot to take into consideration, and it’s really hard to measure power levels like this in Zoids because of all the inconsistencies, it always annoyed me too how power crept the Gojulas became, it never felt right especially after how monumental something like the ‘ZG’ was in CC
I think in this fight, the biggest thing it boils down too is the pilots, and Raven is just in a league of his own in that regard.
Vega is good don’t get me wrong, especially for New Century standards, but the kid literally lost consciousness during his fight with Bit which isn’t a great sign for if he had to fight someone as intense as Raven. That’s why I think he’d still work up a sweat against Raven in the Geno Saurer even if the Fury is a FAR superior machine
@Alice_Haukea there are a few points I'd like to point out regarding the stats between the Breaker and the Fury.
A) The Breaker outweighs the Fury by 10 tons, is faster by 5km/h and is about 1 meter taller
B) The Breaker destroyed 13 Gojulas, equalling 1,200 tons. And that doesn't count the Command Wolves (26 Wolves at 64 tons apiece equals 1,664 tons
The only up side is the Fury's Organoid Syyeb
@@moonshade6864 Are we just going to ignore the Fury's feats? We saw the Fury vaporize a Judge Satellite falling from orbit. It's cannons were strong enough to disable 3 Geno Saurers just by proximity. And while I don't mean to reference a completely different Fury unit, but technically Raven pilots a custom Fury in the manga, which is far stronger than the Breaker. A different unit, so it only matters a little here. But Realistically, I think the fury does have better specs.
@@Alice_Haukea no, just thought I would give some clarity on the most tangible level of destruction the Breaker caused and some technical information about the Breaker. While breaking the Death Saurer's shield is a bigger feat, how much destructive power needed to do so is unknown because Shadow started to undergo what Zeke did when Van was having issues with the Blade Liger.
I don't really count the Geno Saurer fights as a comparison because against the Breaker it was an actual fight and Raven didn't use his shield to deflect a Charged Particle Beam. Whereas with Vega, it was just a Charged Particle Beam show off (plus the pilots of the Geno Saurers had no idea how to use them properly vs Vega). We also don't get a really good sense of how well the Breaker's shield would be able to hold up vs 3 Charged Particle Beams at the same time.
hey Viseak, if you type zoids 3dcg and search that is TH-cam, there is a 3d animation video showing most likely what would happen if the Blitz team faced off against the respective pilots from Chaotic Century. Examples: the video shows Irvine vs Brad and Raven with Shadow and the Geno Breaker vs Vega and the Berserk Fury. I don't know if you have already seen this video but if you could give it a watch and then reply back, thank you.
Yeah I’ve seen them man! They’re pretty awesome.
I’ve wanted to use footage from those in my videos but the guy that made them hasn’t posted anything in around 3 years, so I don’t think I’d get far if I tried to ask him for permission 😅
@@Viseak good point. I wasn't sure if you had seen them or not, but I'm glad to know that you liked those cool videos too. I look forward to seeing your next video
I’m pretty sure it only needs those stabilizers when firing all 3 beams or if it’s firing a singular beam without its backpack. Besides you might not be a real sitting duck if he is forced to be on the ground when firing the CPC, he can just use the energy shields at the same time.
To be honest I think Raven would win because of his ruthless urge to destroy with Vega not wanting to destroy which would hold him back and make him vulnerable
This is a fight I would love to see if it would have happened both Raven and vega are very skilled but I feel like Raven would still win by a slight margin and it really depends who makes the first move who gets the advantage over the other.
And also when Raven faced van he was already beaten down a lot the Gino breaker had lost a lot of power before he merged with Shadow at the end to bust through the shield on the death sore So Raven at full power would be for Superior then the berserk Fury even though the berserk Fury is a more advanced Zoid
Another thing is The Geno Breaker being a warhouse, that F*king Zoid received a lot punishment and it just keep fighting. Fight after fight after Fight .
Geno Breaker is pure Will and endurance
Both are my favorite characters but I never liked the Ginosaur. Since the Beserk Fury is my 2nd favorite zoid I'm betting my money on Vega. Even though I do believe Raven has a good chance at winning. He has way more experience than Vega from fighting in literal wars.
Did you ever play the Zoids legacy game on the Gameboy back in the day?
Yeah man I use to play heaps of Zoids games back in the day, but I never had legit copies of them only roms on my R4 card 😅
But the thing is they were all in Japanese so I never actually finished a single one of them, just kinda figured out the mechanics and played as much as I could by randomly tapping
Vega eats reckless pilots for breakfast
Vega takes this.
Vega vs Raven… well…. Vega’s a kid… with self learning ultimate X. Raven for sure! But Geno Breaker, Vs Berserk fury. You can just tell that BF would destroy the GB.
this youtube channel has this battle animated along with animated battles of other match ups (bit vs van, leena vs thomas, etc). th-cam.com/video/_3mzHrX82BY/w-d-xo.html
Yeah I’ve seen those videos before, they’re pretty damn sweet
I’m pretty sure the Berzerk Fury can fly, shoot the main CPC while shielded up on the sides all at once.
I’d like to think it can too, I mean it makes sense that it SHOULD be able to, but the fact we never get proof of it in New Century just means I can’t really count it for this fight
Berzerk fury cannot fly as far as I'm aware. Just hover at speed.
Raven is a better pilot, so I'd admit he'd win. But give Vega a couple more years experience, and i think he'd sweep. The Berserk is just too strong.
If Raven used a Berserk Fury, Vega won’t stand a chance. The only reason Vega stands a chance is cause Berserk Fury is stronger than Genobreaker due to technology advancement.
Id take vega. Bf is superior and vega is not that far behind raven. He is a genius and prodigy and will eventually surpass raven.
Vega would probably beat his grandpa because the Fury is just so powerful.