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@@randaljr.8581 haha it’s a big rookie error for video editors, even now with the re-upload I think the audio is a bit quiet but I’m happy with it as is. Thanks for watching and commenting man I appreciate the support!
My theory: Bit=descendant of Van and Fiona Vaga=descendant of Raven Liger zero=zeke final fusion with blade liger Berserk fury=shadow and the breaker And that’s why only they can pilot them.
I always thought about the time between these two series, it’s nice to think about Raven and Van each settling down and having their own families, and the thought that Bit and Vega are their descendants is a really cool theory.
110% man it’s a pretty fun theory and it’d be amazing to see it become fact one day, but I don’t think the old anime is really going to be supported anymore considering the direction they’re going with Wild Zero
You know, now that you mention it, it explains why Bit and Vega are able to talk to their Zoids in New Century. The Ancient Zoidians were able to talk to Zoids and if Vega and Bit are descendants of Reiss and Fiona, they would have inherited that ability!
I think Vega actually mentioned in the last episode that beserk fury can "rest now and come back stronger" which makes me believe that it's definitely an evolution of shadow and thus the bloodline and evolution of each organoid is what happened
@@GoneFishin610He is actually taking about the Ultimate Xs ability to learn, self strengthen, and self evolve. Something we see Liger Zero do repeatedly throughout the series most notably with the Panzer armor where it goes from barely able to roll side to side with it on in a struggle to aim it to actually being able to walk with it on.
My friends and I theorized that Vega and Bit were descendants of Raven and Van as well. However given Bit's hair color and green eyes I've wondered if he isn't part of the Schubaltz family line. He could still be a descendant of Van, but perhaps the Flyheight and Schubaltz line joined together at one point.
It's a shame that I didn't find this video back in the day and I'm very glad that someone still remembers this spectacular series. Regarding the black box theory, there is something I want to add, unlike in the US in my region the series was broadcast without censorship, and in one episode Hiltz himself comments that it is possible for an organoid to remain permanently fused with a Zoid. Later in another episode, the topic is returned to where it is explained that if the Zoid genome was taken and altered with the force of an organoid, a completely new Zoid could be born from simply the Zoid Core, without the need to have a shell or evolution process. Therefore to me, the Berserker Fury and Liger Zero were probably Zoids Core from a genosaurer and liger (not necessarily Van's) which were modified by Seke and Shadow creating them in the process. And something that partially supports my hypothesis is that in the video game saga of both GBA and DS (which I played in Japanese) to create both Liger Zero and Berserker Fury you need to have the Zoid Core of Genosaurer and the Shield Liger (if I remember correctly) and this happened in all versions of the RPG Games Saga. Bonus info: in that same saga of RPG games, it is confirmed that Zoids genesis is the most distant future of the planet Zi and also, does a Zoidian queen from the past appear? which is identical to Fiona and her Zoids are the Gill Dragon and Gill Valer, it is a strange game but basically it teaches you the entire Timeline of the planet Zi and that the jump between CC/GF and ZNC is about 150 to 200 years.
Great theory, I think we all made a similar connection at some point given the chain of events. It's just kinda sad and nostalgic though, knowing that Van and Raven passed away and their zoids/organoids were just abandoned.
The manga is actually a completely separate reality from the anime, just as the Chaotic Century diverges from the New Battle Story. Caesar's (Blade Liger"s) core is transplanted into a Liger Zero prototype, while Raven doesn't receive a second Geno Saurer, but instead a Berserk Fuhrer. I've honestly speculated that Liger Zero IS Zeke, and Berserk Fuhrer IS Shadow. As in the two have permanently merged. This would explain at least Liger Zero has a personality, when neither Shield Liger or Blade Liger ever did (although Caesar in the anime is another story).
Yeah it’s a whole seperate universe under the same name and setting, kinda like comparing JoJo’s part 4 and 8. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the anime took ideas from the manga to add in and visa versa as I think they were produced around the same timeframe in 99. It’s only a theory though but hey if it was possible within the manga, it’d definitely be possible within the anime for Van and Raven to have the Liger Zero and Berserk Fury respectively. But I agree with the sentiment of the Liger Zero actually being Zeke and the Berserk Fury being Shadow, it makes a lot of sense in the grant scheme of things
We see other Zoids with their own personalities like the Gyzak in the ruins and other wild zoids as mentioned by Van. We also see that every zoid from CC/GF is famous in NCZ, everyone knows that Ultrasarus and what it fought, they also recognize the Genosaurers that attacked Vega as the ones that attacked Raven. Nobody recognizes Berserk Fuhrer or Liger Zero, top that off with them being found in Ancient Zoidian ruins, one of which has to be found using Ancient Zoidian tablets they had to translate I'm going to have to say that these zoids were probably still buried during CC/GF and are older than the Deathsaurer. Hiltz probably fought the Ultrasarus in the Death Stinger right above where Berserk Fuhrer lay Dormant with nobody the wiser.
I had always assumed that the black boxes in New Century/Zero were more advanced versions of the AI that Thomas Schubaltz developed. He even stated that it was supposed to be an analog to an organoid.
Considering NCZ seemed to take more queues from the CC/GF anime than it did the manga, my head canon theory is that after Van and Raven both died of old age, Zeke and Shadow merged with the Blade Liger and Geno Breaker, respectively, and underwent some sort of final transformation, upgrading them to the Liger Zero and the Berserk Fury. However, unlike the last rounds of evolutions, they permanently merged merged themselves in an attempt to become “dumb Zoids”. However, because they’re Organoids, they couldn’t quite erase their whole personalities.
Also Bezerk Furher had no armor which makes me think that it was indeed uncontrollable. Mind you Liger Zero was also uncontrollable until bit came along. This makes alot of sense. Alternate theory: I also think the fact that 3 Genosaurs were buried with it makes me think that Raven had achieved a form of royalty and respect, hence why his Berzerk Furher was buried with 3 Genosaur. Maybe as a way to guard against the Bezerks uncontrollable state when it was laid to rest. Or just a symbol of respect for Raven and his ultimate Zoid.
I thought of those Genosaurs too while watching this theory. Could they be connected with the 3 Genosaurs that fight the Geno Breaker towards the end of Guardian Force?
Awesome video!! Love this theory. I personally feel with the design ques given by the animators/artists with the Bit-Van & Vega-Raven lineage, that the only way they could have conveyed it anymore explicitly would to have outright stated it. I think the "author intent" was clear as day that they were decended from Van/Fiona and Raven/Reese respectively. A nice little easter egg for returning fans. Zoids has low key great world building between the more serious take on war from Chaotic Century along with the blurbs on the model kits & the multi-era spanning timeline.
We know that the organoids force evolution and retain memories of their battles to not make the same mistakes, the fact there are blade liger's in N.C shows some time has passed for shield lige'rs to evolve and upgrade over time. Which means at some point it became necessary for the blade liger to disarm in exchange for speed and maneuverability but shifting its offensive abilities to it's claws. Makes you wonder just what it was fighting to force it to do follow that path of evolution that not many other ligers seem to have followed.
My head canon was always that Leon's vlade liger was actually Van's. I know the manga suggests differently but that was my childhood headcanon. I liked the idea that blade liger was one of the other organoids, possibly even the evil red one, hence his wild nature having formally been used for evil. Just a thought, really enjoyed the video!
Thanks man! While I don’t agree with Leon’s blade liger being Vans, as cool of a call back as that would be, I do have another farfetched theory. So if we look back at CC, generally whenever Hiltz’ organoid Ambient tampered with a Zoid, it ended up becoming red, for example Ravens Geno Breaker and that one Red Gun Sniper. So, in theory, throughout CC, Hiltz and Ambient could have technically been spiking a bunch of the Republican shield ligers, which in turn would cause them to massively progress, like the Geno Breaker, and more than likely evolve into Red coloured Blade Ligers. That would also explain why Toros talks about how rare Red Blade Ligers are etc
@@Viseak It most have been late when I posted that I did make a few typos, but I think you did get my point. (I meant to say a different organoid made Bit's Liger Zero) That theory is pretty awesome though! I could just add one thing. Unless im mistaken they describe ultimate X's for the first time when Bit and Leon are facing off (and they go all energy beam mode). So let's say Ambient made his permanent home in a blade liger. Maybe ressurrecting Van's? (my other fan theory was that Vans Blade liger evolved again when it merged with Zeke permanently, becoming Liger Zero)
@@manleeman5212 haha yeah I get what you were saying, only difference is that the Red Blade Liger didn’t end up having a black box, which is why it kept getting one upped by the Liger Zero. Your theory about Zeke and the Liger Zero are kinda what happened in the chaotic century manga funnily enough, from memory Zeke fused with Liger Zero to make Caesar the King, and shadow fused with the Berserk Fury to create the Shadow Edge
Wow great assumptions bro and I like the connection with shadow and berserk fury that's actually pretty good being BF was in Ocean locked up man ill kill to see an OVA if that.....im rewatching zoids now and Raven is something man the older you get the more you realize how savage he is.......great video don't stop....keep foot on throat!!!!!
Thanks man! I would also kill for that kind of OVA, imagine the quality of Gundam Unicorn but for Zoids it’d be insane. You definitely appreciate the characters more as you grow up hey
I know it's a old video but here I am: I think a LOT more time passed between the 2 shows. Between the ultrasaurus looking like a scrap heap in the desert (I think it would have been better taken care of for at least a generation or 2 after it's use in chaotic century) like old battleships do here, and the fact that NO one seems to know any of the history of those events, or at least never mentions them. Idk how to explain how Torres has a model of a geno breaker (a 1-of-1 zoid as far as I know) but nobody knows about organoids or liger zeros. BTW love the "shadow got put in time out after raven dies" theory. That's my new canon
it's been fun stumbling on your channel! i had VHS tapes of new century that i would rewatch all the time as a kid, and i just finished both chaotic and new century at 24 and have been craving an outlet to talk about it- i think your theory aligns with my suspicion about Leon's red blade liger possibly being influenced by Ambient since it's never really seen destroyed
Same man I still have most of the VHS tapes, no player anymore though 😅 Glad to see you’ve found an outlet for it man it’s such a shame nobody really talks about Zoids anymore (although not surprising I suppose it kinda fell off haha) It would make some sense for the red blade liger to have been influenced by ambient, cause I mean blade ligers aren’t common to begin with, and there aren’t any confirmed red shield ligers, so when we look at Ravens Geno Saurer for example, which was meddled with by ambient, had its abilities heightened and was forced to evolve a bit early, becoming a red Geno Breaker (because of ambients influence) So it’s not hard to believe ambient just went around screwing with republican shield ligers only for them to evolve into red blade ligers later down the line
Idk but its a little bit obvious. Vega looks like raven and vegas mom looks like the blue haired girl with the psycho geno saurer. As for the protagonist im not so sure. Although i think liger zeros organoid system is actually zekkes body permanently installed into liger zeros zoid core.
I believe Vega to definitely be related to Raven in some way, just because their designs are very similar. Bit and Van I'm not as sure about, but it's possible too.
Interesting theory! The one thing I think is different: When Zeke and Shadow "died", they actually released all their power/energy to evolve the Blade Liger to Liger Zero, and same for Breaker evolving into Berserk. The Organoids bodies then became completely fused to said zoids, creating the Organoid System. Now, if that is the case, Liger ran away and hid, while Berserk may have gone on a rampage, and had to be locked away for safety.
It seemed pretty obvious to me even while young watching these shows on Cartoon Network Vega was supposed to be some version of Raven likely a descendants. Naturally I assume bit likely was a descendant from van. However I also thought that the Toros family may also be from that line but split off somewhere. But then again you don't have to be from a particular family to pilot particular zoids like ligers or Geno saurers. However this is Anime we're talking about and they like to use parallels
When we were kids, me and my peers theorized that Liger Zero is Zeke because Liger Zero acted like him especially being mischievous and all. Shadow is Fury, because shadow acted like that as well. Considering how he was raised by Raven. We also did feel like there was a connection with Van and Bit because Liger Zero sensed something in Bit. Remember it hated to be piloted until it met Bit. And the Fury to Vega. It could also be that after Van and Raven's passing Zeke and Shadow probably were captured and permanently placed inside those Zero and Fury. But that's awful... or they both evolved into full on zoids.. Zeke taking the Liger route because of his attachment to Van. Wish Tomy Takara will revive this series with a second season. We do have Zoids Wild Zero which is good but they did leave us hanging there when New Century ended. Atleast, Chaotic got a second season through Guardian Force.
Yeah there’s a few different theories for what might have happened but I guess we can never truly know for sure. I doubt the original series will ever really be looked at again, they brought back some og Zoids in the new Wild game for the switch, maybe to gauge the popularity of the older series. So perhaps it’s possible we’ll see something, but I still highly doubt it. I’d absolutely love to be proven wrong though.
This is a topic is stress over a lot. If not for the obvious cameo moments, I would simply call both shows alternate timelines/different universes and thus not apart of the same flow of events. But there are a number of things as you said that suggest they are in the same chain of events. Now of course, it could be as simple as a standalone season with just fun Easter Eggs to notice, but Id like to assume there is more to it than that... The idea of the Fury being the same as what Raven had in the manga is certainly viable. The special armor and equipment it has in the manga were clearly stripped from it when it was sealed away, and then when it was recovered in New Century, the Backdraft simply made a simpler armor for it. The idea that the "black box" in the Fury is Shadow is cool too. At face value, the "organoid system" gives the Zoid sentience, and in the case of the Fury, the Fury is very.... uh, passionate about winning. But even more so against the Liger Zero. I could see it being that way because Shadow and Zeke had butted heads numerous times in Chaotic Century afterall. So their rivalry, friendly or not, runs deep, and if Shadow did die in a state of emotional distress, then its reasonable to think that the Fury's extra rage is a result of that. Though, I'd also say that the Fury's "personality" is a little more on the Ambient side of things. Speaking of Ambient, Ambient would not be able to show up in the future at all because Ambient died in Chaotic Century. It was fused with the Death Stinger's Zoid core at the time of the Zoid Eve summoning said Zoid. The core of the death stinger then fused with Hiltz and the Death Saurer. All the while Ambient was still merged with it. And as we know, Van destroyed the Death Saurer's Zoid core at the end. One issue though is that while its implied that Raven and Reese hook up, if the Fury is a mix with Shadow, then where is Specula? Another big issue I personally wonder about is the Red Blade Liger... OK so we know that Sleep Zoids are a thing, but I don't think that is ever mentioned in New Century. That said, the Blade Liger was walking around on its own when it met Leon. The Blade Liger seems to exhibit a higher level of sentience compared to the other Zoids, short of the Fury and Zero. I always wondered in the Red Blade Liger was the result of Zeke being perma fused with the blue Blade Liger. Point being, the Red Blade Liger seems to be way too special and unique to just be there like that.
I definitely think that the series are connected in some way, and the biggest evidence of that is the Ultrasaurus with the Gravity Canon from Chaotic Century being in New Century. I think the personality of the Fury definitely matches pretty well with Shadow and it does explain the passionate rivalry with the Liger Zero. Ambient is an interesting case, there’s an extremely high probability that it died, as it did merge with the stinger and in turn the death saurer. But then, what if it didn’t? For whatever reason, the Zoids wiki says that Ambient escaped the Death Saurers Zoid Core and left his master (hiltz). So here’s a little extra theory for you that would’ve been cool to add in the video, it’s a little theory about Leon’s blade liger. We know it doesn’t have a Black Box / Organoid System so if Ambient was alive, he definitely doesn’t permanently combine with it. However, we know in the past, Ambient has altered zoid cores, the best example being the Geno Saurer. He altered it enough to speed up the Geno Saurers progression in order for it to evolve to the Geno Breaker really quickly, this also resulted in the colour of the Geno Breaker being red. So perhaps, in theory, if ambient was still alive, at some point he may have just tampered with a random shield ligers Zoid core. Maybe even helping it evolve for whatever reason, and then that’s why we see a red blade liger featured in New Century. This is definitely one of the most farfetched theories but hey anything’s possible. Specula is a whole different case though, I’ve honestly got no idea what went on there, but it would’ve been cool to see a pale blue Zoid with a black box to allude back to specula in a second season of new century. But it’s extremely unlikely for us to ever get any new media related back to the original franchise.
Couple things. There's about 300 years between the series. It's not that the Blade Liger or Geno Breaker became the Liger Zero and Berserk Fury. The bodies of both were totaled in the final fight with Hiltz and the Death Saurer. The core of the Liger was pulled and put into a new prototype, the Liger Zero while very little is said about the Breaker. The core of the Ultrasaurus was also pulled and given a new body, which we see as the mobile base of the Zoid Battle Commission. The Death Stinger tail we see from Backdraft may have been the one that was severed in one of the many failed attempts to destroy it. Last thing, Vega is definitely a descendant of Raven and Reese, and while it's possible Bit has some of Van and Fiona in him, he looks far more like a Schubaltz with green eyes and dirty blonde hair.
I never read the manga but I always had a strong filling that’s exactly what happened. The blade liger and genobreaker had evolved into liger zero and berserk fury. Also I thought Vega was raven son as well.
I've never read the manga, but that's more or less been my assumption, that the Liger Zero is the result of Zeke permanently fusing with the Blade Liger and evolving it into Liger Zero. And the same with Shadow and the Geno Breaker into the Berserk Fury.
Nice Theory!!! But the measure of Liger Zero it's lighter, smaller, faster than what we appreciate in the Blade Liger, about the Berserk fury man I can't said . . . . . But the Genosaurer/Breaker are to different than the Fury.
The Chaotic Century manga essentially solidifies the origins of the Liger Zero and Berserk Fury. But 1000 years is a very long time - it would make sense that the Organoids would find something like "death" by fusing with the cores of the Zoids piloted by the people they loved, AKA Van and Raven. I'm aware of different canonicities, but it also atands to reason that the links are pretty obvious.
From my understanding, the Organoid System is an AI system akin to the Zero system or other systems like EXAMS or others from various Gundam series. The organoid is an AI version of the original organoids embedded in the hardware of existing zoids.
I seriously doubt it. It makes sense for the manga but the manga did its own thing and went down its own path, especially in regards to Zoid Eve. What makes sense however and is most likely the case is that the black box is the product of Thomas's artificial organoid system/project. There is also the prototype computing system that the guys behind the trinity ghost were working on in Chaotic Century. Those two are probably what produced the black box and very few were probably produced in the first place. Organoids are made to defend and protect the ancient zoidiants that they are paired with, it therefore makes very little sense for them to out live their partner in any capacity. Besides the Berserk fury isn't even in the Genosaur's family. The charge particle cannon was installed retroactively after they pulled it out of the ocean.
If I remember correctly, the Fury already came with CPC but Vega couldn’t use it because it was missing the CAS system. It wasn’t retrofitted. But, I agree. The Fury doesn’t seem to be Geno family. Your whole theory was on point.
seeing van/fiona next to bit, and raven/reese next to sarah and vega, im fairly convinced! i havent read the manga so i dont know about the other zoids used in chaotic century. can u do a video on the manga differences?
actually, ill also take a video explaining Chaotic Century in general. i was in middle school and only caught part of episodes before catching the bus, so i missed a lot of stuff. what is the zoid eve? how are people ancient zoidians? how many licks does it Really take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?! lol
@@randaljr.8581 hahahahaha many questions but not enough answers! I’m definitely keen to re-read the manga and make a video on it comparing the story to the anime, there’s quite a lot of differences, in all honesty it’s basically a whole different story. The descendant theory is pretty cool though hey, I’m glad I added it in I almost forgot to record that segment
That's so interesting, I've always imagine that the head was the brains and the round ball was always the heart of the orgaoids remains They do age like normal humans as well from the sizes comparison in season 1 and 2 The Blackbox might have been a way to keep orgaoids alive(military purposes) since their bodies have passed their limit. That's why it's separate from the zoid core. (fusing directly to the core might allow them to evolve the zoids to something unknown/more dangerous) Liger zero might have been deem a failure since it wouldn't allow anyone to piolet it and under powered, while berserk fury might have been deem too dangerous for its unstable controls seen in the last episode, why it's under the ocean(last resort zoid) . Liger zero might have been released as a collectable with out knowledge of the black box being disclosed to the public By furzors most of this might have already gone down , zoid have an equal/greater power with upgrades to any zoid to match their strength. This is the point before the great disaster happened, they have reached the maximum height of their progression This system might also have been in genesis as well just different in the musame liger
Yeah it’s probable that they could be test subjects for military purposes, but considering the war was supposedly over after the end of guardian force, with no other reported wars between CC and NC to our knowledge, it makes me doubt that they’d be military assets. I agree with the sentiment of the Liger Zero being a more underground project that no one ended up realising had a black box, whereas the berserk fury was more known due to its violent tendencies and had to be locked away for safety purposes. In terms of Fuzors and Genesis it gets a bit hard because we don’t have any evidence at all of those series being related to CC and NC, just speculation. But if they were related I’d assume Genesis was hundreds of years after Fuzors and the Sky People are just the people from Fuzors living in the sky after they messed the Earth up real bad, kinda like Wall-e in a way hahaha
Honestly, my idea/headcanon is rather similar, but more so with The Zoids’ sentience as a whole. We know Lightning Saix came from a Combat Wolf. Imagine if Irvine’s Saix became Jack Sisco’s Saix? As for the Blade Liger, it would actually go from Blue to Red, for Leon to Pilot, while Liger Zero was a unique Zoid from an ancient past before Chaotic Century and Zeke merged with it to take down the Berserk Fury rather than Blade Liger becoming Liger Zero. This would change the dynamic for Liger Zero to get into the S-Class through the World Cup. Facing old friends to improve himself to face off against Shadow one more time. The Speed of the Lightning Saix, the Striking Power of the Blade Liger, and the Weight of Panzer Armor allowing Zeke to become strong enough and maneuverable enough to counter the Triple Charged Particle Guns and stop it from rampaging like before. Thoughts?
And, having gone back and watched Chaotic Century episode 40, the idea of a mutated/evolved Zoid Core being what Shadow merged with to create the Berserk Fury, even if only to stop the Zoid itself, may ended up having Shadow corrupted by the core, which is why they had to lock it away deep in the ocean.
I'm not going to speculate on who is related to who however my theory is that the Berserk Fuhrer and Liger Zero in the manga are not the same as the ones in NCZ but rather reproductions based on information left by the Zoidians. Remember Liger Zero and Berserk Fuhrer were found in interred in locations that are extremely ancient, as in ancient Zoidians ancient. Texts referring to the two are also found about the two written in ancient Zoidian. Deciphering one of them is how they find Berserk Fuhrer. Which points to these two zoids being built by the ancient Zoidians but as is their habit they were not able to control them. Considering them failures they were sealed away and used to research that eventually led to the creation of the Death Saurer and perhaps one of two other Zoids that we do not get to see. It could be that these were also the original Organoids or were built when Organoids were first being developed but the Zoidians abandoned the idea of an integrated Organoid system and went with the idea that they should be their own thing mostly because the two combined are extremely difficult to handle despite the usefulness of the concept. On that note it could have been the opposite in that they were trying to overcome the limitation of a separate Organoid that fuses with the Zoid by going with a permanently integrated system. What limits you may be asking? Well that's shown quite regularly throughout the series one of them being a time limit, another being a damage limit, and of course there's also the limit on what they can do for upgrading and evolving the systems that are not a direct contact with the body. The reproduction of these units are why nobody really batted an eye at them popping up again. If these were the ones used by Van and Raven they would be unique and easily recognized, fanfare, speculation, and attempts to recruit/steal/buy them would be through the roof and omnipresent because they would be famous. We don't see that in NCZ instead they get a "Oh, that's a pretty rare one" reaction telling us there are others, however only these two have the integrated systems. This tells me that not only do they know where Van and Ravens zoids are but also that these are not them. I mean, the Ultrasarus piloted by Moonbay is famous and a land mark because of CC/GF and it didn't pay anywhere near as big a part as the Blade Liger and Geno breaker, even the Deathsaurer is famous in its own way, as are the three Genosaurers used to attack Vega. Even the Blade Liger found by Leon is met with fanfare and Instant recognition and excitement from everyone, but not for Liger Zero and Berserk Furhrer except from the Doctor who has that reaction to every Zoid he comes across. TLDR: Every zoid from CC/GF is famous and instantly recognized, Liger Zero and Berserk Furhrer are not, meaning they are not the same ones from that era. They are also found in Ancient Zoidian ruins with Ancient Zoidian language, meaning they are most likely from the Ancient Zoidian era.
You know that theory you just made up may also come to light with the fact that remember the liger 0 basically had its own personality to the point where it acted like how an organoid would act. Which could mean that the black Box system for both machines could potentially be Zeke and shadow. Also Chaotic century takes place way before new century zero so maybe that theory could be right but again we don't know. Although I would be totally down for a sequel to new century because that ending made me go as a child I want more and then rewatching it a couple of years ago because I felt that itch and it made me go I want more lol. In any event this was a very nice short little theory video and anymore talking stuff about zoids is totally cool with me because barely anyone talks about the series anymore except for me, some friends who also grew up with the series( Specifically new century chaotic century and fuzors) and my one friend who started with Zoids Wild. Been trying to get him to watch the older series but still solid theory video!
Thanks man and 100% I think there’s some solidity to the theory, even the Berserk Fury has its own little personality and goes off on the Liger Zero when Vega gets knocked unconscious. I also really enjoy entertaining the theory that Bit and Vega are descendants of Van and Raven, I mean the evidence is kind of there but it’s still very headcannon hahahaha I’m always down to make more of these videos and I definitely will be in the future, I don’t really have anyone to talk with Zoids about in person at least anymore either, thus why I make videos on TH-cam about it lol Maybe one day it’ll start to become a bit more mainstream again, a renaissance of mecha as a whole would be fantastic, it’s really gone down in popularity a lot over the years
@@Viseak It has gone down over the years and it makes me sad because it's been several years and the only things we have that have anything to do with mechanical animals fighting anything is the Power Rangers which I am not complaining cause I grew up with them too but there's something magical about how Zoids does it lol.
@@MrDarksol it really has and it’s such a shame, even Gundam is so much less prevalent than it use to be. There aren’t many mecha shows releasing in general nowadays and the ones that do seem to be of the quality of Knights and Magic, if you haven’t watched that I honestly wouldn’t recommend it unless it’s for a mindless watch, it’s a kinda fun isekai but its just such a surface level power fantasy compared to the gritty nature of older mecha shows.
@@Viseak O I've seen Knight's and magic and yeah I definitely what you're talking about. I didn't finish it but primarily because I'm getting a little bit tired of the Isekai genre although I have been hearing of Jobless Reincarnation which According to my sources is actually not only the granddaddy of this entire genre but it's also a pretty good series as long as you could ignore the fact that it has a very very slow build-up and another one that I re read again because I remembered how good it was in that despite it being another Isekai, this one I like a lot because Long story short the main character is an adult he gets into a different world however unlike all the other ones he actually not only gets married and has a kid in that other world but he also helps slowly but surely in a logical way bring stuff from our world to that world. I can strongly recommend at least that 1 but in terms of giant robot related stuff yeah it's been falling to the wayside.
I remember this floating around in the forums and fan pages years ago as a theory, and even now with Zoids Wild, Liger's look being a mashup of both the Blade Liger and Liger Zero definitely makes sense even if it isn't totally canon. So excited to see you tackle this theory and explain it, great vid once again!
can you provide all complete six anime series of zoids? I have a complete episode of chaotic century and complete new century but I want to rewatch all series.
the ones with bit an the 50 ft tall gundam like zoids are awesome,tho hate the newer ones that have human sized zoids that are treated like piggyback riding pets...
I can't believe I missed this one.... There is also the part of the RED Blade Liger, which ends up in the new century. There is also the zoid cores if they are in the NEW century. Do they have new cores? How did they change?
If I remember correctly they hinted that other Zoids could have built-in black when Dr.Laon was explaining what they were they showed Leon's red Blade Liger and Jack's Saix hinting that there could be other ultimate X Zoids out there. Also! They mention in CC/GF that the red color on the Geno Breaker was unique because of its fusion with Shadow when it evolved soooooooo I use to think that shadow fused with Leon's Red Blade liger to give it that red color if it did have a black box and Specula fused with Fury because technically the Genos where based on the Death Saurer tech so why not have its evolution near the Death Saurer where Specula was seen last.
Hahahaha to quickly explain, the old vid is coming down so feel free to copy and paste your original comment and put it on here. The first video had some audio issues for headphone users, the audio only came out of the left ear so I decided to bite the bullet and re-upload 😅
@@Viseak okey dokey, my OG comment was I wanted to start off with: "Great vídeo as usual, I love your content." You mentioned you didn't know how far you wanted to go... I might have asked this before but "have you considered making a discord server?" It's a great way to reach out to your fan base for ideas, questions, to bounce ideas back and forth with your fan base between videos and just to make a community. If you don't know much about discord I bet you there would soon be someone within your community pop up who knows about bots and things like that. Again: great video, can't wait for the next one. You're awesome
@@Happy_Magician haha thanks for that man I really appreciate it, the og video was doing so well but the audio just haunted me to I had to reupload sooner rather than later. I think a discord server is something I’ll make very very soon. I think it’ll be a great way to build a little community but I definitely need to figure out how discord works a bit better first 😅 As soon as I create it though I’ll let you know!
@@Viseak awesome! I'd be willing to help ya out with that! I know nothing bout bots, but I'm sure I'm not the only one from your fan base who'd be willing to help out!
Instead of all these new stupid boring series. They really gotta give us more chaotic and new century. Even if they don't link them. More content would be awsome.
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Alright ladies and gents quick explanation, my original upload for this video had audio issues where all of the audio was coming out of the left side for headphone users.
Absolute rookie error on my part not checking the video with headphones before uploading, but I hope you all enjoy this video none the less.
Don’t forget to leave a like and comment on this video too so we can save it from getting trampled by the TH-cam algorithm, the OG video was doing so well so I hope this one can do just as well!
Cheers
a rookie mistake lol (feel like that is some kinda pop culture reference 🤷♂️). anywho, hope the reupload goes well!
@@randaljr.8581 haha it’s a big rookie error for video editors, even now with the re-upload I think the audio is a bit quiet but I’m happy with it as is.
Thanks for watching and commenting man I appreciate the support!
My theory:
Bit=descendant of Van and Fiona
Vaga=descendant of Raven
Liger zero=zeke final fusion with blade liger
Berserk fury=shadow and the breaker
And that’s why only they can pilot them.
It's the theory I've come to believe until we get something concrete.
I always thought about the time between these two series, it’s nice to think about Raven and Van each settling down and having their own families, and the thought that Bit and Vega are their descendants is a really cool theory.
110% man it’s a pretty fun theory and it’d be amazing to see it become fact one day, but I don’t think the old anime is really going to be supported anymore considering the direction they’re going with Wild Zero
@@Viseak I really don't like the direction Zoids Wild has decided to take.
@@andresmarrero8666 I thought Wild was settled in the Past
@@0predaking0 no it is on earth for some reason. Even if it was in the past it does not make sense in regards to what Chaotic Century presented.
You know, now that you mention it, it explains why Bit and Vega are able to talk to their Zoids in New Century. The Ancient Zoidians were able to talk to Zoids and if Vega and Bit are descendants of Reiss and Fiona, they would have inherited that ability!
I think Vega actually mentioned in the last episode that beserk fury can "rest now and come back stronger" which makes me believe that it's definitely an evolution of shadow and thus the bloodline and evolution of each organoid is what happened
@@GoneFishin610He is actually taking about the Ultimate Xs ability to learn, self strengthen, and self evolve. Something we see Liger Zero do repeatedly throughout the series most notably with the Panzer armor where it goes from barely able to roll side to side with it on in a struggle to aim it to actually being able to walk with it on.
My friends and I theorized that Vega and Bit were descendants of Raven and Van as well. However given Bit's hair color and green eyes I've wondered if he isn't part of the Schubaltz family line. He could still be a descendant of Van, but perhaps the Flyheight and Schubaltz line joined together at one point.
It's a shame that I didn't find this video back in the day and I'm very glad that someone still remembers this spectacular series.
Regarding the black box theory, there is something I want to add, unlike in the US in my region the series was broadcast without censorship, and in one episode Hiltz himself comments that it is possible for an organoid to remain permanently fused with a Zoid.
Later in another episode, the topic is returned to where it is explained that if the Zoid genome was taken and altered with the force of an organoid, a completely new Zoid could be born from simply the Zoid Core, without the need to have a shell or evolution process.
Therefore to me, the Berserker Fury and Liger Zero were probably Zoids Core from a genosaurer and liger (not necessarily Van's) which were modified by Seke and Shadow creating them in the process.
And something that partially supports my hypothesis is that in the video game saga of both GBA and DS (which I played in Japanese) to create both Liger Zero and Berserker Fury you need to have the Zoid Core of Genosaurer and the Shield Liger (if I remember correctly) and this happened in all versions of the RPG Games Saga.
Bonus info: in that same saga of RPG games, it is confirmed that Zoids genesis is the most distant future of the planet Zi and also, does a Zoidian queen from the past appear? which is identical to Fiona and her Zoids are the Gill Dragon and Gill Valer, it is a strange game but basically it teaches you the entire Timeline of the planet Zi and that the jump between CC/GF and ZNC is about 150 to 200 years.
3:18 And also, based on how corroded etc the Ultrasaurus is, I'd say it's more likely to be 200-300 years, if not more.
Great theory, I think we all made a similar connection at some point given the chain of events. It's just kinda sad and nostalgic though, knowing that Van and Raven passed away and their zoids/organoids were just abandoned.
The manga is actually a completely separate reality from the anime, just as the Chaotic Century diverges from the New Battle Story. Caesar's (Blade Liger"s) core is transplanted into a Liger Zero prototype, while Raven doesn't receive a second Geno Saurer, but instead a Berserk Fuhrer.
I've honestly speculated that Liger Zero IS Zeke, and Berserk Fuhrer IS Shadow. As in the two have permanently merged. This would explain at least Liger Zero has a personality, when neither Shield Liger or Blade Liger ever did (although Caesar in the anime is another story).
Yeah it’s a whole seperate universe under the same name and setting, kinda like comparing JoJo’s part 4 and 8.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if the anime took ideas from the manga to add in and visa versa as I think they were produced around the same timeframe in 99.
It’s only a theory though but hey if it was possible within the manga, it’d definitely be possible within the anime for Van and Raven to have the Liger Zero and Berserk Fury respectively.
But I agree with the sentiment of the Liger Zero actually being Zeke and the Berserk Fury being Shadow, it makes a lot of sense in the grant scheme of things
We see other Zoids with their own personalities like the Gyzak in the ruins and other wild zoids as mentioned by Van. We also see that every zoid from CC/GF is famous in NCZ, everyone knows that Ultrasarus and what it fought, they also recognize the Genosaurers that attacked Vega as the ones that attacked Raven. Nobody recognizes Berserk Fuhrer or Liger Zero, top that off with them being found in Ancient Zoidian ruins, one of which has to be found using Ancient Zoidian tablets they had to translate I'm going to have to say that these zoids were probably still buried during CC/GF and are older than the Deathsaurer. Hiltz probably fought the Ultrasarus in the Death Stinger right above where Berserk Fuhrer lay Dormant with nobody the wiser.
I had always assumed that the black boxes in New Century/Zero were more advanced versions of the AI that Thomas Schubaltz developed. He even stated that it was supposed to be an analog to an organoid.
Considering NCZ seemed to take more queues from the CC/GF anime than it did the manga, my head canon theory is that after Van and Raven both died of old age, Zeke and Shadow merged with the Blade Liger and Geno Breaker, respectively, and underwent some sort of final transformation, upgrading them to the Liger Zero and the Berserk Fury. However, unlike the last rounds of evolutions, they permanently merged merged themselves in an attempt to become “dumb Zoids”. However, because they’re Organoids, they couldn’t quite erase their whole personalities.
Also Bezerk Furher had no armor which makes me think that it was indeed uncontrollable. Mind you Liger Zero was also uncontrollable until bit came along. This makes alot of sense. Alternate theory: I also think the fact that 3 Genosaurs were buried with it makes me think that Raven had achieved a form of royalty and respect, hence why his Berzerk Furher was buried with 3 Genosaur. Maybe as a way to guard against the Bezerks uncontrollable state when it was laid to rest. Or just a symbol of respect for Raven and his ultimate Zoid.
I thought of those Genosaurs too while watching this theory. Could they be connected with the 3 Genosaurs that fight the Geno Breaker towards the end of Guardian Force?
i really want to see the story after the chaotic century like what happened to van and fiona and the other
This theory actually makes sense. When I used to watch this as a kid I thought the same thing.
Awesome video!! Love this theory.
I personally feel with the design ques given by the animators/artists with the Bit-Van & Vega-Raven lineage, that the only way they could have conveyed it anymore explicitly would to have outright stated it. I think the "author intent" was clear as day that they were decended from Van/Fiona and Raven/Reese respectively. A nice little easter egg for returning fans.
Zoids has low key great world building between the more serious take on war from Chaotic Century along with the blurbs on the model kits & the multi-era spanning timeline.
Genuinely can't remember how old this theory is. At least 15 years.
We know that the organoids force evolution and retain memories of their battles to not make the same mistakes, the fact there are blade liger's in N.C shows some time has passed for shield lige'rs to evolve and upgrade over time. Which means at some point it became necessary for the blade liger to disarm in exchange for speed and maneuverability but shifting its offensive abilities to it's claws. Makes you wonder just what it was fighting to force it to do follow that path of evolution that not many other ligers seem to have followed.
My head canon was always that Leon's vlade liger was actually Van's. I know the manga suggests differently but that was my childhood headcanon. I liked the idea that blade liger was one of the other organoids, possibly even the evil red one, hence his wild nature having formally been used for evil. Just a thought, really enjoyed the video!
Thanks man! While I don’t agree with Leon’s blade liger being Vans, as cool of a call back as that would be, I do have another farfetched theory.
So if we look back at CC, generally whenever Hiltz’ organoid Ambient tampered with a Zoid, it ended up becoming red, for example Ravens Geno Breaker and that one Red Gun Sniper.
So, in theory, throughout CC, Hiltz and Ambient could have technically been spiking a bunch of the Republican shield ligers, which in turn would cause them to massively progress, like the Geno Breaker, and more than likely evolve into Red coloured Blade Ligers. That would also explain why Toros talks about how rare Red Blade Ligers are etc
@@Viseak It most have been late when I posted that I did make a few typos, but I think you did get my point. (I meant to say a different organoid made Bit's Liger Zero)
That theory is pretty awesome though! I could just add one thing. Unless im mistaken they describe ultimate X's for the first time when Bit and Leon are facing off (and they go all energy beam mode). So let's say Ambient made his permanent home in a blade liger. Maybe ressurrecting Van's? (my other fan theory was that Vans Blade liger evolved again when it merged with Zeke permanently, becoming Liger Zero)
@@manleeman5212 haha yeah I get what you were saying, only difference is that the Red Blade Liger didn’t end up having a black box, which is why it kept getting one upped by the Liger Zero.
Your theory about Zeke and the Liger Zero are kinda what happened in the chaotic century manga funnily enough, from memory Zeke fused with Liger Zero to make Caesar the King, and shadow fused with the Berserk Fury to create the Shadow Edge
Wow great assumptions bro and I like the connection with shadow and berserk fury that's actually pretty good being BF was in Ocean locked up man ill kill to see an OVA if that.....im rewatching zoids now and Raven is something man the older you get the more you realize how savage he is.......great video don't stop....keep foot on throat!!!!!
Thanks man! I would also kill for that kind of OVA, imagine the quality of Gundam Unicorn but for Zoids it’d be insane.
You definitely appreciate the characters more as you grow up hey
I know it's a old video but here I am: I think a LOT more time passed between the 2 shows. Between the ultrasaurus looking like a scrap heap in the desert (I think it would have been better taken care of for at least a generation or 2 after it's use in chaotic century) like old battleships do here, and the fact that NO one seems to know any of the history of those events, or at least never mentions them. Idk how to explain how Torres has a model of a geno breaker (a 1-of-1 zoid as far as I know) but nobody knows about organoids or liger zeros.
BTW love the "shadow got put in time out after raven dies" theory. That's my new canon
I know I'm late but some parts of this theory can also be explained by the Zoids Saga game series, more emphasis on Zoids Legacy (Zoids Saga 2)
it's been fun stumbling on your channel! i had VHS tapes of new century that i would rewatch all the time as a kid, and i just finished both chaotic and new century at 24 and have been craving an outlet to talk about it- i think your theory aligns with my suspicion about Leon's red blade liger possibly being influenced by Ambient since it's never really seen destroyed
Same man I still have most of the VHS tapes, no player anymore though 😅
Glad to see you’ve found an outlet for it man it’s such a shame nobody really talks about Zoids anymore (although not surprising I suppose it kinda fell off haha)
It would make some sense for the red blade liger to have been influenced by ambient, cause I mean blade ligers aren’t common to begin with, and there aren’t any confirmed red shield ligers, so when we look at Ravens Geno Saurer for example, which was meddled with by ambient, had its abilities heightened and was forced to evolve a bit early, becoming a red Geno Breaker (because of ambients influence)
So it’s not hard to believe ambient just went around screwing with republican shield ligers only for them to evolve into red blade ligers later down the line
Idk but its a little bit obvious. Vega looks like raven and vegas mom looks like the blue haired girl with the psycho geno saurer. As for the protagonist im not so sure. Although i think liger zeros organoid system is actually zekkes body permanently installed into liger zeros zoid core.
I believe Vega to definitely be related to Raven in some way, just because their designs are very similar.
Bit and Van I'm not as sure about, but it's possible too.
Interesting theory! The one thing I think is different: When Zeke and Shadow "died", they actually released all their power/energy to evolve the Blade Liger to Liger Zero, and same for Breaker evolving into Berserk. The Organoids bodies then became completely fused to said zoids, creating the Organoid System.
Now, if that is the case, Liger ran away and hid, while Berserk may have gone on a rampage, and had to be locked away for safety.
Thank you for fixing audio! Really exited to watch this one (:
Hey no worries at all man THANK YOU for pointing it out, absolute rookie error on my part not listening on headphones before uploading hahahahaha
I love Zoids and never even knew about the Iron Bible until up to a few months ago.
dude that theory is actually pretty good you got me thinking about it. and some of it makes sense. thanks for that
I always figured that Liger Zero like Bit because unlike other pilots he showed Liger respect so Liger let him be its pilot
It seemed pretty obvious to me even while young watching these shows on Cartoon Network Vega was supposed to be some version of Raven likely a descendants. Naturally I assume bit likely was a descendant from van. However I also thought that the Toros family may also be from that line but split off somewhere. But then again you don't have to be from a particular family to pilot particular zoids like ligers or Geno saurers. However this is Anime we're talking about and they like to use parallels
When we were kids, me and my peers theorized that Liger Zero is Zeke because Liger Zero acted like him especially being mischievous and all. Shadow is Fury, because shadow acted like that as well. Considering how he was raised by Raven. We also did feel like there was a connection with Van and Bit because Liger Zero sensed something in Bit. Remember it hated to be piloted until it met Bit. And the Fury to Vega. It could also be that after Van and Raven's passing Zeke and Shadow probably were captured and permanently placed inside those Zero and Fury. But that's awful... or they both evolved into full on zoids.. Zeke taking the Liger route because of his attachment to Van. Wish Tomy Takara will revive this series with a second season. We do have Zoids Wild Zero which is good but they did leave us hanging there when New Century ended. Atleast, Chaotic got a second season through Guardian Force.
Yeah there’s a few different theories for what might have happened but I guess we can never truly know for sure.
I doubt the original series will ever really be looked at again, they brought back some og Zoids in the new Wild game for the switch, maybe to gauge the popularity of the older series. So perhaps it’s possible we’ll see something, but I still highly doubt it.
I’d absolutely love to be proven wrong though.
This is a topic is stress over a lot.
If not for the obvious cameo moments, I would simply call both shows alternate timelines/different universes and thus not apart of the same flow of events. But there are a number of things as you said that suggest they are in the same chain of events.
Now of course, it could be as simple as a standalone season with just fun Easter Eggs to notice, but Id like to assume there is more to it than that...
The idea of the Fury being the same as what Raven had in the manga is certainly viable. The special armor and equipment it has in the manga were clearly stripped from it when it was sealed away, and then when it was recovered in New Century, the Backdraft simply made a simpler armor for it.
The idea that the "black box" in the Fury is Shadow is cool too. At face value, the "organoid system" gives the Zoid sentience, and in the case of the Fury, the Fury is very.... uh, passionate about winning. But even more so against the Liger Zero. I could see it being that way because Shadow and Zeke had butted heads numerous times in Chaotic Century afterall. So their rivalry, friendly or not, runs deep, and if Shadow did die in a state of emotional distress, then its reasonable to think that the Fury's extra rage is a result of that.
Though, I'd also say that the Fury's "personality" is a little more on the Ambient side of things.
Speaking of Ambient, Ambient would not be able to show up in the future at all because Ambient died in Chaotic Century. It was fused with the Death Stinger's Zoid core at the time of the Zoid Eve summoning said Zoid. The core of the death stinger then fused with Hiltz and the Death Saurer. All the while Ambient was still merged with it. And as we know, Van destroyed the Death Saurer's Zoid core at the end.
One issue though is that while its implied that Raven and Reese hook up, if the Fury is a mix with Shadow, then where is Specula?
Another big issue I personally wonder about is the Red Blade Liger... OK so we know that Sleep Zoids are a thing, but I don't think that is ever mentioned in New Century. That said, the Blade Liger was walking around on its own when it met Leon. The Blade Liger seems to exhibit a higher level of sentience compared to the other Zoids, short of the Fury and Zero.
I always wondered in the Red Blade Liger was the result of Zeke being perma fused with the blue Blade Liger.
Point being, the Red Blade Liger seems to be way too special and unique to just be there like that.
I definitely think that the series are connected in some way, and the biggest evidence of that is the Ultrasaurus with the Gravity Canon from Chaotic Century being in New Century.
I think the personality of the Fury definitely matches pretty well with Shadow and it does explain the passionate rivalry with the Liger Zero.
Ambient is an interesting case, there’s an extremely high probability that it died, as it did merge with the stinger and in turn the death saurer. But then, what if it didn’t? For whatever reason, the Zoids wiki says that Ambient escaped the Death Saurers Zoid Core and left his master (hiltz).
So here’s a little extra theory for you that would’ve been cool to add in the video, it’s a little theory about Leon’s blade liger. We know it doesn’t have a Black Box / Organoid System so if Ambient was alive, he definitely doesn’t permanently combine with it. However, we know in the past, Ambient has altered zoid cores, the best example being the Geno Saurer. He altered it enough to speed up the Geno Saurers progression in order for it to evolve to the Geno Breaker really quickly, this also resulted in the colour of the Geno Breaker being red.
So perhaps, in theory, if ambient was still alive, at some point he may have just tampered with a random shield ligers Zoid core. Maybe even helping it evolve for whatever reason, and then that’s why we see a red blade liger featured in New Century.
This is definitely one of the most farfetched theories but hey anything’s possible.
Specula is a whole different case though, I’ve honestly got no idea what went on there, but it would’ve been cool to see a pale blue Zoid with a black box to allude back to specula in a second season of new century.
But it’s extremely unlikely for us to ever get any new media related back to the original franchise.
Couple things. There's about 300 years between the series. It's not that the Blade Liger or Geno Breaker became the Liger Zero and Berserk Fury. The bodies of both were totaled in the final fight with Hiltz and the Death Saurer. The core of the Liger was pulled and put into a new prototype, the Liger Zero while very little is said about the Breaker. The core of the Ultrasaurus was also pulled and given a new body, which we see as the mobile base of the Zoid Battle Commission. The Death Stinger tail we see from Backdraft may have been the one that was severed in one of the many failed attempts to destroy it. Last thing, Vega is definitely a descendant of Raven and Reese, and while it's possible Bit has some of Van and Fiona in him, he looks far more like a Schubaltz with green eyes and dirty blonde hair.
I never read the manga but I always had a strong filling that’s exactly what happened. The blade liger and genobreaker had evolved into liger zero and berserk fury. Also I thought Vega was raven son as well.
I've never read the manga, but that's more or less been my assumption, that the Liger Zero is the result of Zeke permanently fusing with the Blade Liger and evolving it into Liger Zero. And the same with Shadow and the Geno Breaker into the Berserk Fury.
Nice Theory!!! But the measure of Liger Zero it's lighter, smaller, faster than what we appreciate in the Blade Liger, about the Berserk fury man I can't said . . . . . But the Genosaurer/Breaker are to different than the Fury.
The Chaotic Century manga essentially solidifies the origins of the Liger Zero and Berserk Fury. But 1000 years is a very long time - it would make sense that the Organoids would find something like "death" by fusing with the cores of the Zoids piloted by the people they loved, AKA Van and Raven.
I'm aware of different canonicities, but it also atands to reason that the links are pretty obvious.
My headcannon was always that they just fused with the zoids from the constant exposure to a those zoids.
organoids were so cool, there were the red and blue organoids too from memory cant remember their names
Ambient and Specular
The last fight with Bit and Vega the Big zoid they were fighting on was the same one what Van got shot out with
From my understanding, the Organoid System is an AI system akin to the Zero system or other systems like EXAMS or others from various Gundam series. The organoid is an AI version of the original organoids embedded in the hardware of existing zoids.
I seriously doubt it. It makes sense for the manga but the manga did its own thing and went down its own path, especially in regards to Zoid Eve. What makes sense however and is most likely the case is that the black box is the product of Thomas's artificial organoid system/project. There is also the prototype computing system that the guys behind the trinity ghost were working on in Chaotic Century. Those two are probably what produced the black box and very few were probably produced in the first place. Organoids are made to defend and protect the ancient zoidiants that they are paired with, it therefore makes very little sense for them to out live their partner in any capacity. Besides the Berserk fury isn't even in the Genosaur's family. The charge particle cannon was installed retroactively after they pulled it out of the ocean.
This!!! I think the same ,
If I remember correctly, the Fury already came with CPC but Vega couldn’t use it because it was missing the CAS system. It wasn’t retrofitted. But, I agree. The Fury doesn’t seem to be Geno family. Your whole theory was on point.
all i know liger zero and berzerk fury were the ancient zoids who has 100% rivalry during war and they are 1st built in organoid system
I NEVER KNEW THERE WAS A ZOIDS MANGA
seeing van/fiona next to bit, and raven/reese next to sarah and vega, im fairly convinced!
i havent read the manga so i dont know about the other zoids used in chaotic century.
can u do a video on the manga differences?
actually, ill also take a video explaining Chaotic Century in general. i was in middle school and only caught part of episodes before catching the bus, so i missed a lot of stuff.
what is the zoid eve? how are people ancient zoidians? how many licks does it Really take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?! lol
@@randaljr.8581 hahahahaha many questions but not enough answers!
I’m definitely keen to re-read the manga and make a video on it comparing the story to the anime, there’s quite a lot of differences, in all honesty it’s basically a whole different story.
The descendant theory is pretty cool though hey, I’m glad I added it in I almost forgot to record that segment
That's so interesting, I've always imagine that the head was the brains and the round ball was always the heart of the orgaoids remains
They do age like normal humans as well from the sizes comparison in season 1 and 2
The Blackbox might have been a way to keep orgaoids alive(military purposes) since their bodies have passed their limit. That's why it's separate from the zoid core. (fusing directly to the core might allow them to evolve the zoids to something unknown/more dangerous)
Liger zero might have been deem a failure since it wouldn't allow anyone to piolet it and under powered, while berserk fury might have been deem too dangerous for its unstable controls seen in the last episode, why it's under the ocean(last resort zoid) . Liger zero might have been released as a collectable with out knowledge of the black box being disclosed to the public
By furzors most of this might have already gone down , zoid have an equal/greater power with upgrades to any zoid to match their strength. This is the point before the great disaster happened, they have reached the maximum height of their progression
This system might also have been in genesis as well just different in the musame liger
Yeah it’s probable that they could be test subjects for military purposes, but considering the war was supposedly over after the end of guardian force, with no other reported wars between CC and NC to our knowledge, it makes me doubt that they’d be military assets.
I agree with the sentiment of the Liger Zero being a more underground project that no one ended up realising had a black box, whereas the berserk fury was more known due to its violent tendencies and had to be locked away for safety purposes.
In terms of Fuzors and Genesis it gets a bit hard because we don’t have any evidence at all of those series being related to CC and NC, just speculation. But if they were related I’d assume Genesis was hundreds of years after Fuzors and the Sky People are just the people from Fuzors living in the sky after they messed the Earth up real bad, kinda like Wall-e in a way hahaha
Honestly, my idea/headcanon is rather similar, but more so with The Zoids’ sentience as a whole.
We know Lightning Saix came from a Combat Wolf. Imagine if Irvine’s Saix became Jack Sisco’s Saix? As for the Blade Liger, it would actually go from Blue to Red, for Leon to Pilot, while Liger Zero was a unique Zoid from an ancient past before Chaotic Century and Zeke merged with it to take down the Berserk Fury rather than Blade Liger becoming Liger Zero.
This would change the dynamic for Liger Zero to get into the S-Class through the World Cup. Facing old friends to improve himself to face off against Shadow one more time. The Speed of the Lightning Saix, the Striking Power of the Blade Liger, and the Weight of Panzer Armor allowing Zeke to become strong enough and maneuverable enough to counter the Triple Charged Particle Guns and stop it from rampaging like before.
Thoughts?
And, having gone back and watched Chaotic Century episode 40, the idea of a mutated/evolved Zoid Core being what Shadow merged with to create the Berserk Fury, even if only to stop the Zoid itself, may ended up having Shadow corrupted by the core, which is why they had to lock it away deep in the ocean.
I'm not going to speculate on who is related to who however my theory is that the Berserk Fuhrer and Liger Zero in the manga are not the same as the ones in NCZ but rather reproductions based on information left by the Zoidians. Remember Liger Zero and Berserk Fuhrer were found in interred in locations that are extremely ancient, as in ancient Zoidians ancient. Texts referring to the two are also found about the two written in ancient Zoidian. Deciphering one of them is how they find Berserk Fuhrer. Which points to these two zoids being built by the ancient Zoidians but as is their habit they were not able to control them. Considering them failures they were sealed away and used to research that eventually led to the creation of the Death Saurer and perhaps one of two other Zoids that we do not get to see.
It could be that these were also the original Organoids or were built when Organoids were first being developed but the Zoidians abandoned the idea of an integrated Organoid system and went with the idea that they should be their own thing mostly because the two combined are extremely difficult to handle despite the usefulness of the concept.
On that note it could have been the opposite in that they were trying to overcome the limitation of a separate Organoid that fuses with the Zoid by going with a permanently integrated system. What limits you may be asking? Well that's shown quite regularly throughout the series one of them being a time limit, another being a damage limit, and of course there's also the limit on what they can do for upgrading and evolving the systems that are not a direct contact with the body.
The reproduction of these units are why nobody really batted an eye at them popping up again. If these were the ones used by Van and Raven they would be unique and easily recognized, fanfare, speculation, and attempts to recruit/steal/buy them would be through the roof and omnipresent because they would be famous. We don't see that in NCZ instead they get a "Oh, that's a pretty rare one" reaction telling us there are others, however only these two have the integrated systems. This tells me that not only do they know where Van and Ravens zoids are but also that these are not them. I mean, the Ultrasarus piloted by Moonbay is famous and a land mark because of CC/GF and it didn't pay anywhere near as big a part as the Blade Liger and Geno breaker, even the Deathsaurer is famous in its own way, as are the three Genosaurers used to attack Vega. Even the Blade Liger found by Leon is met with fanfare and Instant recognition and excitement from everyone, but not for Liger Zero and Berserk Furhrer except from the Doctor who has that reaction to every Zoid he comes across.
TLDR: Every zoid from CC/GF is famous and instantly recognized, Liger Zero and Berserk Furhrer are not, meaning they are not the same ones from that era.
They are also found in Ancient Zoidian ruins with Ancient Zoidian language, meaning they are most likely from the Ancient Zoidian era.
You know that theory you just made up may also come to light with the fact that remember the liger 0 basically had its own personality to the point where it acted like how an organoid would act. Which could mean that the black Box system for both machines could potentially be Zeke and shadow. Also Chaotic century takes place way before new century zero so maybe that theory could be right but again we don't know. Although I would be totally down for a sequel to new century because that ending made me go as a child I want more and then rewatching it a couple of years ago because I felt that itch and it made me go I want more lol. In any event this was a very nice short little theory video and anymore talking stuff about zoids is totally cool with me because barely anyone talks about the series anymore except for me, some friends who also grew up with the series( Specifically new century chaotic century and fuzors) and my one friend who started with Zoids Wild. Been trying to get him to watch the older series but still solid theory video!
Thanks man and 100% I think there’s some solidity to the theory, even the Berserk Fury has its own little personality and goes off on the Liger Zero when Vega gets knocked unconscious.
I also really enjoy entertaining the theory that Bit and Vega are descendants of Van and Raven, I mean the evidence is kind of there but it’s still very headcannon hahahaha
I’m always down to make more of these videos and I definitely will be in the future, I don’t really have anyone to talk with Zoids about in person at least anymore either, thus why I make videos on TH-cam about it lol
Maybe one day it’ll start to become a bit more mainstream again, a renaissance of mecha as a whole would be fantastic, it’s really gone down in popularity a lot over the years
@@Viseak It has gone down over the years and it makes me sad because it's been several years and the only things we have that have anything to do with mechanical animals fighting anything is the Power Rangers which I am not complaining cause I grew up with them too but there's something magical about how Zoids does it lol.
@@MrDarksol it really has and it’s such a shame, even Gundam is so much less prevalent than it use to be.
There aren’t many mecha shows releasing in general nowadays and the ones that do seem to be of the quality of Knights and Magic, if you haven’t watched that I honestly wouldn’t recommend it unless it’s for a mindless watch, it’s a kinda fun isekai but its just such a surface level power fantasy compared to the gritty nature of older mecha shows.
@@Viseak O I've seen Knight's and magic and yeah I definitely what you're talking about. I didn't finish it but primarily because I'm getting a little bit tired of the Isekai genre although I have been hearing of Jobless Reincarnation which According to my sources is actually not only the granddaddy of this entire genre but it's also a pretty good series as long as you could ignore the fact that it has a very very slow build-up and another one that I re read again because I remembered how good it was in that despite it being another Isekai, this one I like a lot because Long story short the main character is an adult he gets into a different world however unlike all the other ones he actually not only gets married and has a kid in that other world but he also helps slowly but surely in a logical way bring stuff from our world to that world. I can strongly recommend at least that 1 but in terms of giant robot related stuff yeah it's been falling to the wayside.
I remember this floating around in the forums and fan pages years ago as a theory, and even now with Zoids Wild, Liger's look being a mashup of both the Blade Liger and Liger Zero definitely makes sense even if it isn't totally canon. So excited to see you tackle this theory and explain it, great vid once again!
Dont forget about Bit being related to Inuyasha...
can you provide all complete six anime series of zoids? I have a complete episode of chaotic century and complete new century but I want to rewatch all series.
hey @viseak
They should make a small movie or mini series of how they connect chaotic century and new century zero. I would watch and own it in a heart beat
110% man, a series similar to Pokémon Origins but for the timespan between NC and CC would be an amazing watch
@@Viseak I just finished Genesis. I loved it! it was really cool and I liked the plot and animation.
the ones with bit an the 50 ft tall gundam like zoids are awesome,tho hate the newer ones that have human sized zoids that are treated like piggyback riding pets...
Liger Zero was a cooler ace Zoid, but overall, Chaotic Century was a better show.
I've had a similar theory since I was a kid.
I can't believe I missed this one....
There is also the part of the RED Blade Liger, which ends up in the new century. There is also the zoid cores if they are in the NEW century. Do they have new cores? How did they change?
Always believed it was Zeke amd Shadow. Just made too much sense to not be
Shadow died twice? When was the other one?
If I remember correctly they hinted that other Zoids could have built-in black when Dr.Laon was explaining what they were they showed Leon's red Blade Liger and Jack's Saix hinting that there could be other ultimate X Zoids out there. Also! They mention in CC/GF that the red color on the Geno Breaker was unique because of its fusion with Shadow when it evolved soooooooo I use to think that shadow fused with Leon's Red Blade liger to give it that red color if it did have a black box and Specula fused with Fury because technically the Genos where based on the Death Saurer tech so why not have its evolution near the Death Saurer where Specula was seen last.
What happened to the first vid!? I've already seen it!! Lol
Hahahaha to quickly explain, the old vid is coming down so feel free to copy and paste your original comment and put it on here.
The first video had some audio issues for headphone users, the audio only came out of the left ear so I decided to bite the bullet and re-upload 😅
@@Viseak okey dokey, my OG comment was
I wanted to start off with: "Great vídeo as usual, I love your content."
You mentioned you didn't know how far you wanted to go... I might have asked this before but "have you considered making a discord server?" It's a great way to reach out to your fan base for ideas, questions, to bounce ideas back and forth with your fan base between videos and just to make a community. If you don't know much about discord I bet you there would soon be someone within your community pop up who knows about bots and things like that.
Again: great video, can't wait for the next one. You're awesome
@@Happy_Magician haha thanks for that man I really appreciate it, the og video was doing so well but the audio just haunted me to I had to reupload sooner rather than later.
I think a discord server is something I’ll make very very soon. I think it’ll be a great way to build a little community but I definitely need to figure out how discord works a bit better first 😅
As soon as I create it though I’ll let you know!
@@Viseak awesome! I'd be willing to help ya out with that! I know nothing bout bots, but I'm sure I'm not the only one from your fan base who'd be willing to help out!
I prefer the Manga canon tbh I love how it connects the two stories
I ship Van Raven
Gotta love hate fucks
Anyways this does make sense though with Shadow he could have also just gone into stasis
No problems with the format
Instead of all these new stupid boring series. They really gotta give us more chaotic and new century. Even if they don't link them. More content would be awsome.
Wow