Why Zoids HMMs are expensive but NOT overpriced: A marketer's analysis

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  • @Poihobby
    @Poihobby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Support Koto:) they brought back the zoids model kits:)) they brought our childhood back:)

    • @tommyshiendy6778
      @tommyshiendy6778 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now Koto reproduces their hmm kits. It is time to buy zoids from Koto.

  • @pachopachopacho
    @pachopachopacho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "Zoids said goodbye once already. It might happen again." That hit hard, but I'm glad somebody said it!! Hope some bootleg-only collectors reconsider their choices

  • @jacobchalkley5071
    @jacobchalkley5071 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I watched zoids new century when I was a kid and loved it, the HMM kits are brilliant builds and the attention to detail from the source material is amazing. Shame zoids isn't really that popular, I would love to see a live action movie some day

    • @psychedashell
      @psychedashell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I want it but I dread it being a crap stain like Transformers, Mulan and TMNT live action efforts.

    • @MordethKai
      @MordethKai ปีที่แล้ว

      You lost me at 'live action', but I agree with the rest ^_^

  • @MtZion-hc3bv
    @MtZion-hc3bv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I just bought my 1st Kotobukiya HMM kit and no regrets superb quality and the building process is complex but yet fun, you get what you paid for

  • @kimirush4750
    @kimirush4750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I've lived in Japan many years, let me tell you: The HMM line is heavily supported by the Japanese and bootlegs are frowned upon. So I think HMMs will be safe as long as they retain the Zoids market in Japan. There will always be people who buy bootlegs. The problem is when these people start advocating a fake over the original. Where's the honor in that? Hobbies must be earned by the consumer the same way the people in Koto and Bandai are working hard to earn the trust from buyers.

    • @jonc2914
      @jonc2914 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can even get the real ones if I wanted to because they simply arent available... so bootleg it is.

    • @blueskdragonFX
      @blueskdragonFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did buy a bootleg due to trying out my go at Gunpla/Zoids and painting so I rather use a bootleg in case I screw up instead of ruining a original one. Now I own to many originals, RIP my retirement savings.

    • @MordethKai
      @MordethKai ปีที่แล้ว

      Koto produces a good quality product worthy of the price so that argument holds, couldn't say the same about GW tho.

  • @milkchugger1729
    @milkchugger1729 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:31 Your examples on Gunpla are Iron Blooded Orphans kits, whose main gimmick is interchangeable frame, hence the similarity. If you have build anything else other than them you would see a whole different build process, structure and look. Also the Liger frame exist but go off about how each Zoid kits are different I guess.

  • @ernestquemquem4641
    @ernestquemquem4641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    thanks to your videos I finally ordered my very own kotobukiya zoids liger zero marking plus I cant wait to build it

    • @rodnarit9106
      @rodnarit9106 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where!? I've been looking for a Schneider? Where'd you buy your kits?

    • @ernestquemquem4641
      @ernestquemquem4641 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rodnarit9106 I bought the liger zero at ami ami but there are also zoids hmm kits on hobby link japan

    • @rodnarit9106
      @rodnarit9106 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ernestquemquem4641 I'm really kind of waiting when they might get some new HMM kits ready. Most of the Zoids I'm waiting for are still being backordered in Hobby Link Japan

    • @rodnarit9106
      @rodnarit9106 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ernestquemquem4641 I'm really kind of waiting when they might get some new HMM kits ready. Most of the Zoids I'm waiting for are still being backordered in Hobby Link Japan

  • @TheMopomi
    @TheMopomi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow thanks for this info. I was enlightened. My feelings about zoids being not popular are mixed. Its sad but on the other hand im happy that we can still enjoy zoids on our own little community.

  • @gudangburgerciranjang1732
    @gudangburgerciranjang1732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your content is amazing keep doing goodwork

  • @KnightOfLionus
    @KnightOfLionus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing and very educational video bro. I'm so happy I bought a hmm geno breaker repackaged last month. Keep zoids alive by buying the originals :)

  • @kevinbustinza7414
    @kevinbustinza7414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    50 M gunpla consumers and Bandai still releasing premium models like we were 1M

  • @BabyTeru
    @BabyTeru 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I always swap out my Kotobukiya zoids to bootleg during family gatherings. So my cousins and nephews can destroy them without hurting my heart and holiday spirit. It helps to maintain your family ties too.

  • @raptros
    @raptros 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always thought the drop in popularity was in part due to the anime and Hasbro. I grew up in Europe with the Zoids2 line and managed to get some Zoids from the OER line and the UK line, and they were pretty popular. I remember reading about robostrux and the technozoids, these lines had a pretty good run but i think in the 2000s when Hasbro brought Zoids over to the US TOMY kinda dropped the ball with that one. The absence of the Battle story in the boxes led a lot of misunderstandings that you would still see years later with series like Zoids wild, people were so shocked to see people riding Zoids when it was a concept used in the battle story. i kinda had to put the Anime in it's own thing and stick to the battle story lore myself just to avoid all the confusion.
    I'm still praying Zoids makes a come back, seems that Tomy is back in full for e with the motorized kits for that new line can't wait to grab that Death Saurer. I really want to see Zoids back on top like 20 years ago.

  • @grafschmidt9309
    @grafschmidt9309 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bootleg kits though had similar finish result, had 1 big issue : fitting issue
    I need 2 weeks rest from building 1 blade liger BT cuz to heal my wounded fingers from snapping them

  • @Tripledashhh_
    @Tripledashhh_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I dislike people who say they hate a product because of a reason that can be easily fixed. But also downgrading them when they haven’t even had the chance to own them. Lol I know you’re in Philippines so there’s a bunch of BT available all around. But I respect your decisions to actually pay premium price. I’m in California and it’s hard to acquire gundams as it is, imagine Zoids. I buy zoids and I think they’re fairly priced just hard to acquire depending on the kit. But as to that compared to Bandai or Sentinel, zoids sits at a comfortable price point where modelers and fans are willing to pay knowing the grade of the kit.

  • @XShadowzVarcolac
    @XShadowzVarcolac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At first I also thought HMMs were expensive, then I found out that high quality anime waifu figurines often cost double than the average medium sized zoid. Hell my friend has $400 in Canadian figurine but my gojulas which costs the same not only towers over his figurine but also outclassed it in the level of detail. His figurine btw was just a 1/6 girl in a swimsuit with some props and a nice base.

  • @rayzin3519
    @rayzin3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If i got the money to but a hmm, i will do it honestly , the only reason i bought murasame liger by supernova just because kotobukiya didn't make a hmm kit for it , but yeah im really looking forward to grab atleast one of those hmm kit

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The upcoming Shadow Fox Marking Plus is around the same price as an MG Barbatos. I highly recommend it as a great starting piece given the generous amounts of metallic injection :)

  • @BlackHei711
    @BlackHei711 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Geno Saurer model is like the most beautiful model I've ever build. No regrets there.

  • @Alice_Haukea
    @Alice_Haukea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm pretty sure Zoids could have hit it bigger if it had been marketed more for an adult audience. Zoids went for the kids while Gundam went for the adults. The Zoids anime originally aired in America first iirc too so it didn't get the jumpstart in Japan the same way Gundam did.
    I'm not fond of the price tag attached to Zoids HMM kits either, but I understand why they are the price they are.
    I can't wait for the Liger Zero X. That blue and gold armor scheme is sexy.

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. This is why I don't like it when people say that a Zoids anime should be about battles only. Gundam created a cult because their anime was well-produced making it a marketing juggernaut. IBO and the idea behind Barbatos is a good example.

    • @Alice_Haukea
      @Alice_Haukea 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omochareviews Exactly. And that story depth Gundam achieved is only possible because they targeted an older audience.
      Well, perhaps a kid focused audience could work well too, but after 5 different Zoids anime, clearly not....
      If I could make a wish directly related to the anime world, it would be for a reboot of Chaotic Century that follows the Manga story line instead, is written for an adult audience, and obviously crisp modern high quality CGI and graphics.
      I'm not saying you NEED blood and stuff to make something adult, but how cool would it be to see oil and sparks ETC leak out of a Zoid's severed leg? How cool would it be to actually see the pilots that Raven killed die?

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Alice_Haukea agree! Blood isn't necessary, TOMY can also just make the goals of the MC more mature instead of being an anime about the adventures of MC and friends. I think they were on the right direction of Genesis' plot, but the animation and marketing has to be like New Century Zero. A remake of either NCZ or CC would definitely create buzz.

    • @MordethKai
      @MordethKai ปีที่แล้ว

      It's interesting, we got NCZ before CC in the US even though CC was made first, I think the reception would have been very different if this had been reversed. NCZ wasn't terrible but the plot suffered because of marketing. Brad and Lena were usually sidelined, especially in the early episodes, to let Bit be the big hero. It wasn't bad for a kids show but it was dumbed down, and if it had come after CC it might have been hated like Fuzors. Honestly, I think NCZ started a trend of shallow gimmicks that, in my opinion, bring the series down. Of course you could also say it started with the organoids in CC, which are a mixed bag, the writers clearly struggled to fix making them too OP from the getgo, but the idea of small mascot zoids was good, but making them relevant without making them gimicky is tricky.
      Either way, I do agree Zoids has a lot of wasted potential, it could have been huge if they had pursued 16+ instead of 8+.

  • @RogueGouf
    @RogueGouf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omacha so you have an updated opinion on the recent American releases as koto and Tomy move towards here again

  • @daemonhunter100
    @daemonhunter100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reason why I ordered the Super Nova Berserk Fuhrer is because I missed my chance on getting the HMM Berserk. At least I got my hands on the HMM Shadow Fox and Sturm Tyrann.

  • @Nimadj
    @Nimadj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Inner frames for MG are not often reused, I don't think that example helps your argument that much.

  • @hellbladevalstrax4231
    @hellbladevalstrax4231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    People gotta respect the original. That guy you talked to is downright awful and ignorant lol I bet if he made something original and got ripped off he'll know the feeling

  • @wingzer012
    @wingzer012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like how you're calling Berserk Fuhrer Berserk Fury

  • @roninstormYT
    @roninstormYT ปีที่แล้ว

    for me i buy the main characters as boot leg for i get bootlegs also i leave my real ones in the box unopend and i leave out the bootlegs for my nephews and family gatherings i replaced my legit too bootlegs you have too remember not everyone is single hear man . reason why we buy boot leg also it is hard too tell if you go too a youtuber channel too see if they got bootleg or not also i collect boot legs i like making custom i just dont want too mess up my one of a kind ervine custom and naomi custom gunsniper so i buy boot legs or cheaper models of those i custom paint them .plus people like too leave out bootlegs for display cause they got family and little ones

  • @blueberrypitbull87
    @blueberrypitbull87 ปีที่แล้ว

    The motorized Zoids are much better and have better quality plastic. And Zoids is still very popular. Koto started bringing the kits to the US for very good pricing and they are even popping up at American convention.

  • @AKEA2700
    @AKEA2700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yes ,original is the best

  • @Metha.K.
    @Metha.K. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The quality might not be far superior than the bootleg, but, it is still superior both in plastic quality and building experience for sure.
    The only reason to buy the bootleg for me is due to Koto not making it.
    By the way, @Omocha.
    Have you take a look at soon coming 1/50 Death Stinger?
    I think it's detail, size, and gimmicks are quite interesting.
    How do you see about it?

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I won't get the Death Stinger bootleg because:
      1. For its price, I can already buy another HMM Zoid kit. I think it's the same price as an LZ Empire so I'll use my funds there instead.
      2. I already have a Hiltz and the regular DS (plan to paint it with the Ogre's color scheme) I'm waiting for a DS-ZS announcement of Koto to have a nice display of three 1/72 scorpions :)
      3. Lastly, my ZA kits' joints are already sagging. The bootleg DS will eventually suffer that fate and I don't like the idea of fixing model kits when they can be avoided. Idk but imo the gimmicks and size doesnt make up for it being inferior to Koto's plastic and pegs.

    • @Metha.K.
      @Metha.K. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omochareviews Good to know that, bro. I have been looking for the negative side of this brand. But so far I've only heard people compliment it (from their three Mugen ligers).
      What is DS-ZS stand for, Is it some variant of Death Stinger?
      And would it really be produced by Koto soon?

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a gut feeling they will because almost every year they release a Yuji Kaida exclusive (Sturm Tyrann, Yeti) :) Death Stinger ZS is a white and red DS. They released the Yeti last year and the Raven raptor will come this year. I think the only Yuji Kaida variants they haven't released are the DS-ZS, Green Horn, and the Gojulas Mariner!

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Metha.K. Hey Metha, The Death Stinger ZS has just been announced by Koto. Called it!

    • @Metha.K.
      @Metha.K. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@omochareviews Thanks Omocha. Just have a look after you told me. Your intuition is quite precise, lol.
      Wondering if this one is normal release or is limited edition.

  • @dmlshr3849
    @dmlshr3849 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you look it from another perspective, HMM’s are just right expensive. Unlike gunplas, they are varying it from scales. Which HMM zoids does not. Yet, they range from master grade to perfect grade. And you can only get it from one scale.

    • @omochareviews
      @omochareviews  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      True. That's why I cant understand folks who say the upcoming Gojulas Gunner is ridiculous at $350. I think it out classes most PG gundams out there if you don't take into account the LEDs.

    • @dmlshr3849
      @dmlshr3849 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omochareviews I agree, that’s what other people doesn’t see, the amount of details of HMM’s were already the answer. For a 4,000 yen It already outclassed other master grade which Doesn’t have that amount of details as well.

  • @yukinko_selle
    @yukinko_selle ปีที่แล้ว

    HMM zoids are expensive but for a reasonable price.

  • @wolkaiserdrake9946
    @wolkaiserdrake9946 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just want something comparable to HG gundam kits in scale and price

  • @kettya5274
    @kettya5274 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not rich but i always save $ to buy the original one (always a pro of IP protection)

  • @sweetpotato6529
    @sweetpotato6529 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    it doesn't help when the scalpers are just buying to resell at atrocious prices which frustrates true collectors. The kits are already so limited yet we're subjected to scalpers 🙄

  • @jpatricknessiagatdula4976
    @jpatricknessiagatdula4976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    But they are not expensive... they are priced like an average MG gunpla. Its actoually very affordable just like Gunpla if bought in Japan. It gets expensive outside because of tariffs and shipping cost.

    • @kimirush6047
      @kimirush6047 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really. Depends on what Zoid. You can get an MG Barbatos for 4000 yen. Youre not getting a Berserk Fury (8,000 yen) or even a Blade Liger AB (6,000 yen) at that price straight from Kotobukiya in Akihabara. An MG's price ranges with the small Zoids like the CW and SF.

    • @jpatricknessiagatdula4976
      @jpatricknessiagatdula4976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kimirush6047 MG Nu Gundam is about 5900 yen. Sazabi MG is about 7700 yen MG Eclipse is 4500 yen. Rick Dom is 5,000 yen. Unicorn FA is about 6800 yen. MG FAZZ is 10,000 yen. Sinanju is 7000 Yen. Psycho Zaku is 7700 yen....
      The average Master Grade is about 6000 yen... that's comparable to your Blade Liger.
      The bigger MG kits average at about 8500 yen. That is comparable to your Berserk Fury.
      But if you typically buy the smaller MGs like Barabtos, GMs, and RX78s... then your average is closer to 5000 yen which is not that much less than a Blade liger. That's only 10 USD difference.
      Considering that Bandai has larger supply and they are still that high in price with Kotobukiya's lower supply and their pricing is comparable to a MG...
      Like I said, Zoids are affordable.

  • @southofheaven8663
    @southofheaven8663 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    he cant afford the legit ones so he ended up to those cheap bootlegs. Hahaha why settle for less? respect the artist who put their time and effort to have that wonderful piece of artwork. work hard so that you afford the real ones.

  • @ivanlorenzovisande2492
    @ivanlorenzovisande2492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if you are an avid collector of zoids money wont be as much as an issue, if you want that premium quality on your build.

  • @denden6575
    @denden6575 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an interesting video. I was originally a hasbro/tomy zoids collector and currently I just collect gunpla. One thing I "dislike" about koto kits is the plastic and engineering. I know Koto is quality but the plastic often feels fragile compared to bandais. The engineering also has very tight tolerances. The good thing is I'm experienced so I know how to adjust but most newbies often mess up the first time they try.

  • @metadude1234
    @metadude1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ideal, impossible desire for Zoids
    - They get bought out from Takara-TOMY, and are given the HG/MG/PG treatment by Bandai
    - New show focused on kitbashing ala Build Fighters (Point of reference being customs from the OG shows)
    - From there, a quality game in the vein of Gundam Breaker 3

  • @Tripledashhh_
    @Tripledashhh_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Quality over quantity ! I’d rather pay $100+ for a zoid than to buy a bootleg kit.

  • @ExTrEmEStOrW
    @ExTrEmEStOrW 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i hope that one gay zoids become so popular like gundam where the pricing might drop and be almost the same but still have a small difference, also isnt the liger zero emperor version also comming out early next year ? im waiting for that 1 for my first zoids hmm kit and if i enjoy it i might get the liger zero x

  • @MordethKai
    @MordethKai ปีที่แล้ว

    GamesWorkshop sells overpriced crap, compare a similar priced WH 40k kit to an HMM and it's night and day in terms of quality, quantity, and complexity. The comparison gets even worse if you compare it to "finecast".

  • @kumarardli
    @kumarardli 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lets make ZOIDS popular!
    But have you preordered Death Stinger by Supernova? :'D