The Irrationality of Evangelical Conversion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2023
- They keep telling us to repent before it's too late. But can you rationally convert to a religion that requires faith to believe?
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Imagine if all that evangelical energy went into feeding the poor and reading to the bed ridden😊
There would probably be more conversions and an increase in church attendance.
Much evangelical energy is being used to subvert our legislative and judicial system.
Yes. Seems like Christians need a present-day Jesus to set them straight. But 2000 years and not a peep from Heaven.
There's a lot that do.
Imagine if all the atheist energy went into doing good. The church does do a lot to feed the poor.
What atheist organizations do the same?
Shouldn't Christianity be held accountable to child abuse? "Believe or ELSE you're going to hell." Seriously!
We can all dream.
@@jezebelvibes
Yup!
Not to mention child SA in the church
So what is so beautiful and wonderful about your degenerate anti-christian life? At least most Christians are devoted to finding a way, beyond their selfishness and caring for others.
Did you know the leading cause of death in USA is abortion? The church stands against abortion. Did you know the irreligious are among the worst group to have offspring?
'I once was blind, but now, I see.' That actually applies to my deconversion from Christianity. Looking back, I wonder how I could have believed any of it.
That's so right. My mum told me after I stopped going to church, that God hates a backslider ! Strange though because I don't think she would ever send me or any of her children to hell herself, whatever our 'sins' !
Thing is once you see the truth about christianity you just can't unsee it.
@@user-sr7eh7uo9y That there is no proof that it's true. That it can be very harmful, almost destructive belief.
@@user-sr7eh7uo9y And? I left Christianity... reciting verse from the bible won't convert me back.
Here... a verse from the Quran.
'If you ask them, O Prophet, who created the heavens and the earth, they will certainly say, 'The Almighty and all knowing did!'
There, are you a Muslim now?
@@user-sr7eh7uo9y Blah blahblah. I'm not a good person because the bible says so?
I don't believe in god, or the bible, so why should I care what it says?
Yeah@@user-sr7eh7uo9y Again, blah blah blah... it says it in your holy book, so it's true.
Like I said, quoting verses to people who have left your religion is pointless. The stuff that made us leave is in there... like Lot, the only righteous man in Sodom, offering his virgin daughters to the mob. Or Exodus 21... the passage that condones slavery.
Nope... hard pass.
It’s ironic that you need to research literally nothing to be accepted as a forgiven, heaven-bound Christian, but the moment you realize it’s all false, you have to have an answer for everything and were never a true Christian.
This!
Absolutely. In a previous debate between Ray Comfort and Matt Dillahunty, the latter explained about how he was a devout evangelical Baptist with plans to actually become a minister. Ray Comfort then said that Matt was never really a believer and a true Christian, yet later states that Matt is not really an atheist, but a believer that is somehow in denial. Matt Dillahunty is shaking his head in disbelief at this point.
Yep, because their default answer to every question is "God's will".
lol, yep, precisely.
No, the reason he was never a Christian is because that is how the scripture would describe him (1John 2:19). He wasn’t putting his trust in Christ. That was the first meaning of belief.
Secondly, all know that God exists because God has made it plain to them but they suppress this in their unrighteousness (Romans 1:18-22)
“Faith is not a rational way to come to a conclusion on your reality” A WORD!!!
Faith is the excuse people give when they are totally incapable of honoring their burden of proof requirements with demonstrable facts and objective reasoning. Faith is the excuse people give despite contrary demonstrable facts and objective reasoning. Faith is one of the most reliable way to being dead wrong. Faith is a major roadblock to demonstrable knowledge because it plays into personal cognitive biases and self-deluding thinking, e.g., religious indoctrination. One's Faith is what charlatans, false prophets, con-men, and other nefarious individuals use against someone in order to defraud them of their valuable assets and resources. There is no utility in faith.
Ohh you guys are going to hell. Have fun.
@@richardmcquade9832Incorrect. " But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." ( Hebrews 11:6) Rather, it's your mind that it is your biggest opposition. There are strongholds there such as: pride, prejudices, and speculations. These resist the Spirit of God. And critical thinking is in the same category. Not once have I ever heard of anyone coming to the cross of The Lord Jesus Christ through the use of "critical thinking". It never has brought about the righteousness of God in anyone's life. It is a pre-judgmental, prejudiced, and negative approach of trying to determine the truth of the Word of God, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the kingdom of God. It falls flat into negative and not positive every time.
@@christophergibson7155
Your response is a Faulty Premise of circular thinking via argument from authority and begging the question logical fallacies
@@richardmcquade9832Incorrect. I do not have circular thinking. I have God's Word, The Holy Bible that sets the standard for objective truth and not mankind's subjective responses that only becomes their opinion.
The way phishing email scams work is by creating a sense of urgency to act right away without critically thinking about it.
I love that those who are taught to be forgiving are the 1st to judge.
“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”
Susan B. Anthony
For the ignorant and simple-minded...."Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement "
Christians are allowed to judge.
But Jesus has given the believer authority to judge. But not hypocritically (Mat. 7:1-5)
Here is what Jesus said...."Do not judge according to appearance, BUT JUDGE with righteous judgment.” (John 7:24) And again we see in 1 Corinthians 2:15..."But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one."
@@juliabriggs1141by who? Who told you you are allowed?
I just read a post on Reddit about the transformed wife telling someone "we all deserve nothing more than eternal damnation for our sins" and something about how the suffering now doesn't matter because when "we meet Christ it will exceed our wildest dreams"
It just sickens me how the church teaches that we are so awful and worthless and we need God, but isn't he the one who created us to be"worthless sinners"? I've always been slightly jealous of the comfort religion brings, even as a kid who pretended to believe to please people it always seemed like a fantasy that there was a place that was exactly what we would want it to be and a way to cope with that this is it
Self delusion is never a gift.
Christianity demands you are sick and they are the cure. Never fall for their abusive and manipulative language.
Oh trust me. You can believe you’re going to a better place beyond your wildest dreams WITHOUT going through the loop-de-hoops they go through. In fact I’d say their “God” and how they make you feel inherently worthless is a pointless obstacle masquerading as a “middleman.”
It ain’t. You live your lives folks. And try not to make their self-suffering your own. That is all I ask.
It's a sick theology. It really is. "You deserve eternal torture, but if you follow the rules, maybe God will spare you." What a terrible way to live.
They seem to forget that God called his creation "good," and that his creation included the humans made in his image. Of course, they also don't stop to think that God would have known beforehand that Adam and Eve would sin and went ahead and created them anyway, nor do they question the logic of why we should bear the guilt of something we never did, or how that guilt is transmitted to us. The whole story falls apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny.
@@3ggshe11s
I just had that conversation with a Jehovah's witness friend of mine.
Thinking very deeply on the subject as a "former Christian" with a lot of time spent earnestly studying the Bible, it seems to me that yes, God must have known that Adam and Eve were going to eat the fruit and God IS ultimately responsible for suffering.
He obviously couldn't or wouldn't consider this perspective.
@@AZ-kr6ffif the angels rebelled from God because they wanted power then there is sin in heaven and it's not perfect. If it were real
I was a waiter in the 90s. I remember Christians leaving as a "tip" a piece of paper that *looked* like a folded $20 bill. When you opened it, it was half a fake (counterfeit!) $20 and a note that read "You don't need money. You just need Jesus in your life." And a phone number.
Who are the Atheists?
ANSWER -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying persons on earth who are boasting and claiming that the Creator is not existing or even if existing, is worthless, useless and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God.
Who are the fanatics of Religions?
ANSWER -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying persons on earth who are boasting and claiming that Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth.
Do Atheists and Fanatics of Religions care about their own lives, welfare, and existence?
ANSWER -
No,
Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and Fanatics of all kinds of Religions
KNOW
and are fully aware that they are not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the authorities, teachings, and instructions of the Creator and his Christ bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Do the Creator and his Christ care about the lives, dignities, welfare, and existence of imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings?
ANSWER -
Yes,
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who submit to his authority as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of GOD" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be honored, favored, and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons.
The Creator KNOWS
that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths but all his worshippers and believers of his Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Isaiah, Daniel, Martha, Mary, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts on earth forever, instead in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, Jesus Christ.
That's vile.
Whoever came up with that tactic needs to be slapped.
Wow
That is so ungrateful (even immoral). They could have given you the money as well as the note. They should also do well to read James 2 :15-16
I'm told all the time I was never a Christian. ('I am' an Ex-Christian!) I wish I NEVER was a Christian in the first place. All those years and money was a waste. Who in the... uses fear to get the meek and week to believe in their so called God, evil? Repent from what, your religious lies and deceptions? I'm not sorry for thinking for thy self and realizing this cult of Christianity was a mistake. I became more spiritual in realizing this awakening. Thank you Kristi, for helping those lost people to wake up to the lies and deception this 'religion' (Cult) preaches. Fear is sour cream in love. It doesn't mix well. You rock Kristi!
A Christian is somebody who is sealed with the Holy Spirit, and you either have a true love for Christ, or you don’t, that is the seal, that is how you know you have been saved. There is no Inbetween. The pure in heart see Christ for who He is and what He is going to do. You never understood how Jesus is going to judge the world in righteousness one day and He is going to wipe every tear away and death will be no more and make everything new. You took your eyes off of what was important.
There is a whole lot of people who claim to love Jesus but by their words and actions, they claim to be false converts. It’s really simple.
You got this! ❤
@aheartonfire7191 What would you say to those who acted like Christ and thought they had the Holy Spirit in them and then found out how irrational everything was and had no real basis to believe?
@@undrwatropium3724
You rock 2. 💜
@@aheartonfire7191 Sorry, then please fulfil John 14:14, openly, first, thanks?
And then we can assess the claim, better.
I must wonder - did Augustine, ever have, to fulfil that verse?
How about... Calvin? Or Pope Paul III... or even... Torquemada?
And were they... judged? Or assessed, or informed, guided, or chastised?
Corrected... even. Before, they got to hold SERIOUSLY high office...!!? And also, make, policy... notable, policy.
And why should a pure of heart Spanish Jew, also, after... all of that... believe you, solely, on verbal, claims, alone?
Oh - and why did Satan keep, any, powers... and who... really, gives a stuff... what his pureile, unreliable, opinion, of Job was... after, his fully conscious (unlike 99.999999999 percent of post Genesis 4, humans) treason?
Just a few thoughts, thanks.
I think I feel, that credentials, matter. Including of which Spirit, or if people can be... 'vomited out', partway, through, the relationship?
Sorry, relationships... maybe... kind of like faiths, plural.
And for, hundreds of years... Churches... plural.
Imagine if all of the Evangelical energy went into figuring out a way that we can live sustainably and a way to end suffering.
Oh, that is coming!.... The Lord Jesus has promised that to His beloved ones.
"And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” (Revelation 21:4)
@@christophergibson7155another brainwashed person.
Why is your religion the right one?
kennith copland the conman, selling a few of the private jets in his fleet would definately help a few thousand people. That would be a good start!
@@christophergibson7155 honestly I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or if you're trying to teach me in the Bible?
@@studiosandi: It seems typically Christian, I see no reason to doubt it. "Teach' isn't the word I'd use, indoctrinate is more accurate.
It sends shivers down my spine how accurate Kristi explains exactly what most of us go through. I mean exactly.
@@via2552why are you crying?
Too bad her commentary is fraught with the very criticisms and judgments she imposes on others.
'Mission for christ' "saving souls' "the great commision' Literally word for word
Impressed? (Easily convinced), i say to you as i would say to all, it’s your loss and no one else will care when you fail to get it.
You have no case, so stop struggeling. Is it ”struggle or struggling”, i still learn.
Yea , since becoming an atheist, I’ve only listened to lifelong atheist, so they don’t have any experience in being indoctrinated into religion! Now I’ve found folks that were Christian as a child, and adult, so when they say something that sounds exactly what I was told from churches it makes me feel less alone in my confusion sometimes My papa James was a Babtist preacher, so religion was big in my family! I’ve really found my people! Now I listen more to folks like Kristie, and another good one is Viced Rhino.
I've come to the realization that if you look at evangelicalism as a business, things really begin to make a lot more sense. "The world is ending! Get saved now!" is the exact same urgency method businesses use when saying "You only have two days before this item is no longer on sale! Get yours now!"
Then realise these videos are just preaching false teachings as entertainment for ad revenue. You got fooled because you didn't realise you're already consuming media that fits your word view.
Don't fret, its human nature to seek validation in different ways
Kristi, I have been an atheist for as long as I can remember (I'm 71), and I'm so glad how rational you are now.
Feed your soul with Allah's words (Qur'an) recitation:
th-cam.com/video/J9UYmUIWzbU/w-d-xo.html
You mean "ignorant"
No. reinerti means exactly what s/he wrote. Can you define rational and ignorant? @@cinthiacoessens1453
Cannot on be both rational and Christian ?
@@cinthiacoessens1453True free will is not ignorant necessarily
Correct. Conversion is all about emotional manipulation, literally scaring people to the point that they submit their own will to the will of the evangelist. It is high pressure "sales."
And too many people buy on an impulse.
I wasn't scared into Christianity. A lot of people are though.
@@garystapp1656 Why did you accept Christianity? Usually it's fear, or using religion to replace a personal feeling of emptiness. I haven't found any religious person who could provide an answer that doesn't fit into one, or both, of those two objectives. Will you be the first?
Do you know this for certain? How many Christian have you spoken to about their faith? I found Christianity for myself without anyone manipulating , scaring or preaching to me. I just started reading the NT and was blown away by the love of God.
@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Preach brother! Same thing happened to me. Most people here don't want to believe, it's sad 😞
I'm gay, and it took me MANY years to love and accept myself and i finally was able to when i stopped trying to negotiate who i am with my Christianity upbringing. so its frustrating when ppl keep trying to tell you what your truth is, that your truth is when you abandon who you are and become what they believe you should be. there is only one way for them, and they fail to see the beauty in diversity. obviously not everyone is like this, ive met some great Christians over the years.
Feed your soul with Allah's words (Qur'an) recitation:
th-cam.com/video/J9UYmUIWzbU/w-d-xo.html
I'm glad you did forgive yourself and I wish you a good life!
Being queer is what made me leave the church to begin with. I asked my pastor if he would accept his son if he came out as gay or as a woman and he said no, he would pray for him and still "love" him but he would rebuke the demon possessing him. I never wanted to go back, but I stayed for another year for no other reason than not having anything else to do in a small town of 2000 people. I never felt safe after that, and when I finally left I became pagan and saw the beauty in life and in diversity and havent gone back since. I promised myself years ago that I would never go back and I intent to keep that promise.
@@enochanglin3546 it's insane that grown adults in the 21st century believe that demon possession is a real thing.
@@enochanglin3546 thank you for sharing that :) its inspiring to hear other's stories
99.9% of people are brainwashed about religon. They are afraid of the unkown..so they play it safe and just believe, so sad what a life.kristi you are so right keep up the good work hopefully people will wake up.
Considering the drop in church attendance all around the US, I think a lot of people are waking up!
Exactly!
And what about the .1% who aren't brainwashed? Your statistic doesn't make sense. Are there some people who aren't deceived by religion? Just asking
@@pauls.6360
Some of us .1% woke up. It was .01. Math is not my best. lol
@@pauls.6360 apparently... than the atheism position is wrong, they don't really think things through.
I rather have questions that cannot be answered than answers that cannot be questioned
Ever notice the hypocrisy of evangelicals? When you deconvert, they are quick to assert that you did so because of fear, anger, desire to sin, or some other "irrational" reason. But when they look for converts, they look for the desperate, use threats and gaslighting, etc.
Loving the Savior and the Blessed Trinity is NOT NOT NOT irrational. My late mom Marjorie McNabb English teacher said there are three kinds of Truth in God. And about John6 she said that eating and believing aren't such different concepts because you can only do either whole heartedly. You can't half eat a piece of bread it either goes down or it doesn't. Well I guess u cd choke but not forever. And u can't half believe a doctrine.
And there are some really smart people around who tho skeptics accepted the Christian doctrine and are happy with it. And little children even love their Creator because He made the animals but love God more than the animals. God is good.
If u r holding onto a rope when u cd fall then DONT let go unless u really know what u r doing or trust ur rescuer telling u to let go more than the rope. Ms.Burke isn't giving good advice tho she probably thinks she is somehow.
@@jamesiiimcnabb6358 Let go of that rope. You'll find that instead of falling, you float free.
Every cyber-security class on identifying phishing scams teaches you that any e-mail that stresses urgency is very likely to be a scam.
At my former local church here in Munich/Germany (yes, the one with the Oktoberfest), there is a window where they always put a poster to get strangers into their church (never has worked). At the moment, they have a poster that presents a bible-verse from Ps 103:11. "For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him;" except they changed the "fear"-part for "trust". (in German they changed from "fürchten" to "vertrauen") They literally changed the Bible to "win souls"!
Yet both to "fear the Lord" and to "trust the Lord" are totally scriptural.
Interesting, because I learned somewhere that in Hebrew the term fear actually means reverence, for people had different terms for things based on language and culture of the day, just like we have different terms for words we use in the English language. An example is when we say, that's cool we don't mean its cold, we mean something is rad! The term forever in the bible is also apparently misunderstood, for the Jewish culture used that word to mean a, "a really long time," not something lasting eternally.
@@christophergibson7155how can you trust someone you fear?
I hope to make it to Oktoberfest one day. It looks pretty cool.
@@liawolpin7602 Yes, far too many people claim that they will "fear" (reverence) a non-existent God "to time indefinite". (I was taught the same thing as were you. Interestingly enough, however, my former religion issued a revised edition of its own Bible version a decade ago and they changed "to time indefinite" to "forever". Go figure!)
Great video!! Objectively if something sounds like a cult, looks like a cult, behaves like a cult, demands your blind submission like a cult, and members have the all the arrogance of a cult… But Christianity is NOT a cult. Riiiiiggghhhttt… 😂😂
In the 80’s there used to be state sanctioned definitions of cults that included as the first item that the leader was alive. Other that one point, all the other listed items described Christianity, Judaism, and Muslims
The only difference between a cult and a religion is scale...
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Another way in which Christians expect people to instantly believe them is when they say things like "Jesus loves you" or "God has a plan for your life", and expect the listener to be overjoyed by the statement. In reality, people are more likely to say, "If Jesus loved me he wouldn't have allowed this to happen to me," or "So God has a plan for my life? He wants me to have a rotten life where I'm miserable all the time?" Christians may say "Oh no, that won't happen if you believe," but I did believe for over thirty years and that was my experience.
I believe the Bible mentions something about the believers would have tribulation
@@tonyr.3435That's life, regardless of whether you're a believer.
Oh Kristi, you’ve really hit the nail on the head here! I was also raised evangelical - Pentecostal to be exact, and later intensified this by being radicalized into the Mennonites and later the Amish. I swallowed it all for over 50 years of my life. I’ve handed out thousands of gospel tracts (and a bunch of Chick tracts too!) held street meetings, been involved in prison ministry, gone door to door, etc. I was a soul winner for Jesus! I even studied other “cults” like Mormonism etc. to try and convert Mormon’s to the “gospel”.
Not until I was in my early 50’s did I begin to question the reality of the Bible and all I had been lead to believe so sincerely. It’s a VERY long twisted tale, but I eventually came out as an atheist, and call myself an Amish Atheist. Your musings here are so accurate to my own experience that I don’t think I could say it much better. Christianity is truly irrational and many times can be harmful to those who embrace it, or those under their care and influence. One outworking of this is the great ignorance of the importance of the separation of state and church in our government, which is under heavy attack in our nation now.
Thank you so much for being brave enough to do the work you are doing. And I hope many will listen and become wise. I’ve thought about starting my own channel, but lack the time and knowledge of how to do so. So just keep up the good work!
Your story sounds well worth recording, and sharing in some way. Other than being fascinating, it would help others. Your courage and integrity are inspirational. Your freedom sounds long, and arduously claimed.
If you don't mind me asking, was there one incident, or one phrase, that was the chink in your religious armour that started the crumbling? Do you remember what, after so many years of accepting faith, caused you to question it?
My high school youth group used to go to a shops outside a movie theater and witness to people. Even then I was not eager to bother people that were hanging out and having fun. I went because I wanted to hang out with people and be included. The friendships and events of the youth group were what made me enjoy church when I was a student. Witnessing always kind of felt weird to me.
It's like that for a lot of people.
@@lemsip207 Good to know that it is common to feel that way.
I was from my dad's past relationship so whenever we were witnessing it was in areas where I wouldn't know the youth and I would hate it too. I didn't find it fun at all, not in the rain,snow, sun etc.
I was so ashamed that I didn't want to go outside and witness to people. Other ppl were saying that if you are ashamed of Jesus now, He will be ashamed of you in Heaven and you won't be welcome in. 🙃
@@mirabela1344In other words: fear tactics
I hope your hubby realises how lucky he is: it's so important to do shared activities together in a marriage. That sunset 🌇 hike sounds wonderful! 🙂
Yea most people are born into it but they also prey upon vulnerable people as some low point in their life, or perhaps suffering from mental illness, etc. So just imagine you're one of these people and then having your head filled with harmful nonsense like you're inherently bad, in need of salvation and just about every normal thing about the human condition is a sin....you can't win with this. Its horrible.
"Most people are born into it" is vastly understating it. I haven't done the math, but I would think that at least 95% of all Christians who have ever lived were born into the faith -- i.e. born into a Christian family and/or community -- perhaps even closer to 99%. (The same applies of all other major religions, of course.)
So, in reality, the much vaunted "powerful Gospel message" is almost completely powerless against bog standard childhood religious education, which means that salvation is little more than a birthplace lottery.
Fun fact -- I have spent the last few years telling random Christians of the "you must be born again to be saved" type that they're only Christians because they were born into the faith (even if they "went astray" for a while), and if they had been born in Mecca instead, they would be extolling the virtues of Allah and The Prophet instead right now.
So far, not one of them has told me I am wrong.
Exactly my friend. Isn't child abuse illegal?
I just found out a couple of weeks ago that Alcoholics anonymous was a Christian based program. So it makes sense now because step 3 is to find a higher power (which most people choose Jesus).
And most people going to meetings are at rock bottom
@@undrwatropium3724
So true.
I only won by getting away from religion.
I'm just happy you took a tract out of the forest so no one else would read it. Ha. I appreciate your viewpoints and rational discussions.
How in the world do you suppose that tract happened to end up at Kristi's feet ( or butt ) out there in the forest?
Maybe she's cursed to have that kind of luck. I haven't seen a tract myself in yeeaaars.
Never been a Christian however I find this stuff fascinating. I don't understand how someone could believe in magic and fairytale.
Indoctrination does wild things to the brain.
Especially when indoctrination is part of childhood development, and all the surrounding people, upon whom your life depends, and who teach you about the world, believe and normalize the fairytale.
Christianity was prey upon alot of people when they were young and Christianity for some people is all they ever known and they don't any life expect for the Christian lifestyle
Harry Potter fan here! Huh just saying I never believed I would actually get a letter to Hogwarts but dang, it was just fun to read the books and play the games. I know there were some hard core fans and cosplayers but hey at least they were having fun.
Make-believe is fun.
As somebody who has been totally blind his entire life, I’ve definitely gotten my share of religious proselytizers. Some of those experiences were actually slightly amusing.
oy, I can just imagine.
@@velkyn1 oh yeah. Sometimes they could be kind of funny, others not so much.
@@Bryan198026 I'm sure you were promised a lot, eh?
You should talk to Sarah in my church, who is also totally blind and a total inspiration to most of us, with her solid faith in Christ and words of wisdom!
@@theonlyway5298 sorry, not interested in being proselytized.
The trappings come from being raised with these beliefs. People think they are doing something good by raising their children with these fairy tales. I’ve had a life long battle with feeling guilt and doubt over simply thinking clearly. Thanks for your work
Keep up the good work. You are helping people.
Thanks so much for the support
@jezebelvibes Why are so against Christianity? What made you become a non Christian? Please share that with me.
@@garystapp1656Watch her previous videos; it probably started when she read the christian genocide manual, aka the bible for herself instead of being ‘taught’ the palatable parts.
@maggiebarrett7300 I've watched some of her previous videos. She's a master of deconstruction and misinformation about God, the bible and Christianity.
@@garystapp1656 Is the bible lying then when it asserts that your god commanded the copious savage slaughter of babies, infants and little children? Anyone who can read the “God’s Guide to Genocide” manual, aka the bible, and not recoil in horror and revulsion at the gratuitously cruel atrocities committed or commanded by the brutal, barbaric, bloodthirsty god therein, has suspended all pity, empathy and compassion.
My wife converted because she was trying to find a way to get a vaccine exemption, now she got baptized by this religion without even consulting me (not that she needed my permission, but it does affect our relationship and how we raise our children, so to me it should have been very important for us to discuss before hand), it'd be awesome if she would watch this, but even if I sat her down to watch, she would not take any of it in. I'm lost more than ever. 18 years of an awesome marriage, then 2 years of not knowing if it's over.
That is rough
Why should your wife watch this rubbish? Do you think for one moment that she is going to be swayed from her faith by listening to this incredibly narcissistic hell-bound, ignorant woman? And why should she 'consult' you before declaring her faith in Christ. I feel sorry for this sister. And for your children. And I feel even greater pity for you. You say you're lost more than ever. It's the only true thing you've said. Though you might more correctly rightly have said 'forever'. Listen to youe wife and repent of your unbelief and your domineering attitude.
Oh. I am sorry for you.
I was married 20 years, three kids, a house all paid for. Then she went to work with some Pentacostals who told her she never should have married me, that I was racist (they are black), but that sex was only for procreation. She spent every night I after work at their house, church, or church events. No more family time. I was reduced to my job, and all home duties. Meals, laundry, cleaning, kids stuff. My entire family was shattered. Then the pastor was convicted of molesting my 1O yo daughter. Wife showed up at court to defend HIM. Finally she moved out, taking two of our kids , leaving one. It was like death to me. Even so, I’m atheist, not because of others hypocrisy, but because I became convinced there was no evidence for a god.
Religion kills. It killed my marriage but worst, my daughter.
@@jamespriddy8275 I am so very sorry (and angry) for you. I can't even attempt to know what that hell might feel like. It is true, religion does kill. Sending a ray of hope to the cosmos for a better future for y'all.
Kristi is frickin' brilliant. One of my fav channels now.
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For all the deception she claims Christianity is, she's a master at it. No clue about real Christianity 😢
Ah, the No True Scotsman fallacy. I wondered how long it would take to show up.
@@garystapp1656Spotted the fake Christian….
@@Entbark Ahh, but what I said is true entbark. 😊
Hi Kristi! Please keep posting your videos ! I love that we’re getting at least 2 a week now ! ❤
Trying to stay consistent! Thanks for the support!
I love 2 a week also!!❤️❤️❤️
@@jezebelvibesYour eyes.
There is something dark and sinister in them. You know the one you hate has said beforehand, your eyes open up to your soul.
Tell me Kristi, do you know the name of the demon that has taken possession of you
I’m a theologian. You’re doing just fine. ❤
I never felt that my life would’ve been worthless without religion even when I was a Christian, I thought it was insane that people thought that Pascal’s Wager was a reasonable position to take as well, I understood better than anyone around me the gravity of the gamble I was taking in believing without sufficient evidence but it wasn’t my love of Jesus that was keeping me in the faith it was the fear of hell and fear of losing the support of the people around me.
You don't need the support of people around you. Get some backbone and discover why God came to search for you and give meaning to your life.
Unfortunately as someone with extreme anxiety who worries about nearly every choice I make, "what if I do this and this happens, what if I make the wrong choice" Pascals wager was one that bothered me even though most everyone says it's an awful argument (and logically it is)
I think it's definitely targeted at people with issues with anxiety and fear. I wasn't even raised in a very religious home it was basically church on holidays and vacation Bible school in the summer (and that was more because I liked the crafts and stuff) even as a kid it seemed "to good to be true" that Heaven existed, that there's a God who listens to all of us ect
But my anxiety couldn't help but say "but what if you're wrong? What if you're wrong?" eventually though I concluded that pretending to believe wouldn't convince God even if he did exist and I can't make myself believe something, trust me I tried
Really Rick?? You think people don't need a support system?
@@rickemmons7300 I have no intention to return to the misery that religion made me feel, I am free to give my own life meaning and the fact that choosing my own purpose in life angers so many theists makes it all the more enjoyable, I wouldn’t say I wouldn’t say I’m an atheist to spite anyone but I find that it is comical that in the land of the free there people who never left the mindset of enslavement.
@@heavymetalzombiepilot4049 You got that so backwards. It's going your own way that leads you to enslavement in your sin. It's that old Ego that dictates...
"I want"---"I think"---"I feel" The Lord Jesus sets the compass straight....If you want to find "your life" you must "lose it". And if you "lose it" for Jesus sake,
YOU WILL FIND IT. As the scripture says, "There is no wisdom or understanding Or counsel against the LORD." (Proverbs 21:30)
In our modern age, in developed countries - no one jumps into a marriage urgently because someone scared them into it. Couples go through a whole process of dating and maybe even living together for awhile to really get to know the person they might be considering to make a life-long partner before they take the vows. Totally makes sense - but for religion - we're expected to jump in head first without any investigating or real knowledge. Your rational and realistic approach in this video is irrefutable. I wish I had the sense to think about this before I devoted myself as a teenager. I am currently at a place where I am totally disgusted with myself AND with the God of the bible - just by reading through Genesis and Exodus and I feel so betrayed by being sold an image of God that doesn't match the personality or behaviors of the Old Testament God. Thank you Kristi! You are making a huge difference in people's lives!
This is an amazing channel!! You are so kind, yet straight to the point.
When we were all very young, we didn't have a clue. But, with growing up and with experience, we each have the opportunity to grow in life and see things more clearly.
I am Jewish and we are taught that we should question everything that Judaism teaches. If it stands up to scrutiny then you will be closer to knowing that it is true. If it doesn’t then it is either not true or your interpretation of it is incorrect. Basically don’t believe what you are told until you apply reasoning to it.
We are taught that if the messiah comes don’t believe he is the messiah and follow him until he has proven himself. That is why Jews never believed in Jesus as the messiah.
Good to know
Yes, it will probably never be clear who might be the true one and some even have tried harder. In a broad sense J. Nazareth came close to create a rift between the Romans and the Priests. If it was not for him the Crusaders may have not happened. The restoration of Israel was influenced by "christian" history too! Because everything has flaws in some way, maybe it's possible that a Messiah will have flaws?
The Messiah has always been the spring sun and son of Jupiter.
But but you believe that a gawd who drowned 99.9% mankind is a merciful guy.
No? 😁
Well, some did -- those who founded the Christian church, and the earliest adherents. It was Paul's efforts that pushed Christianity beyond the bounds of Judaism, a couple of decades later.
Remember, the Bible is a collection of stories written by people who didn’t know where the sun went at night.
Thanks, Kristi! I love that "bigotry isn't cute" shirt in your merch shop. I had to get some rainbow clothes this year because too many haters are out there comfortable being haters.
Make all of the bigots as uncomfortable as possible!
Yes, that is the ignorant ideology that is being vomited today: If someone doesn't agree with you, they are "haters". Grow up, allow everyone to have an opinion, and get some needed intelligence.
@@rickemmons7300 NO!! there is a line. LGBT rights are human rights. We cannot back down from human rights!!
go ahead and hate my music, I love pineapple on pizza, go ahead and hate that.
do you see that there is a difference? Stop punching down, that makes you the bad guy!
I definitely think people who are saying they want to "destroy LGBTQIA people" are "haters" you don't think hating someone for who they are is hateful?
It's love that motivates the believer in Jesus Christ to warn the sinners about the coming condemnation and wrath of God on their lives without trusting in Jesus for your salvation. Otherwise, if they didn't care they would say nothing and just let you die in your sins. Now that would be hate and not love!
This laundromat that we used to go to many years ago, every time we were there, you'd always find these Jehovah Witness magazines and pamphlets in this laundromat. Most of the time we were there, there would be these two ladies that were Jehovah Witnesses that would come in and want to talk about their religion. The first few times, I tried to be kind and politely tell them no thanks. They still did it anyways. The next time they came in, I saw them coming and I ran and hid in the bathroom and they went over and bugged my Dad. LOL
Hi Kristi, I am over 70 now and my experience seems to have been similar to yours. I was raised a Baptist from before I can remember or could think for myself, was thoroughly indoctrinated, and I wholeheartedly devoted my life to christ, until nearly middle age. My deconstruction was gradual and extended over a period of several years. There were so many things in the bible, in our sunday school lessons, and in the sermons, that were contradictory and that simply made no sense. When I asked sunday school teachers and preachers for insight, rather than admitting the contradictions or that they did not know the answers, the explanations they gave were downright silly--even sillier than what the bible said. The tone of their "explanations" indicated that even they were not convinced of what they were telling me (dishonesty?). They also constantly admonished me to "read the bible and pray" and I would "grow in the lord", so that eventually he would grant me complete understanding. I believed this for years, but the more I read the bible and prayed, with fervent passion, the more absurd it all seemed.
In church we were constantly told stories about various people of the past who were faced with the choice of violating or renouncing their faith in god, or suffer death, and they gladly chose death. Yet, numerous preachers, deacons, sunday school teachers, and others, who claimed to be christians, and who told us these stories, violated some of the most basic of jesus's teachings in matters for which they would not have come close to suffering death or even any physical pain for if they had adhered to those teachings. For example, the preacher who baptized me (age 12) later caused his wife to commit adultery by divorcing her, and then the preacher immediately committed adultery himself by marrying another woman who was a member of his church and who had to divorce her husband so the preacher and her could marry each other (Matthew 5:32; Mark 10:11-12; Luke 16:18). That preacher left the ministry before pulling this off, claiming that god was calling him to carry out a new mission in life; that god had not yet revealed to him what the new mission was; but would do so in the fullness of time. The church members had a big going away ceremony for him in which they commended him for his service and devotion to the lord, and they prayed for the success of the future mission that god had in store for him.
With eternity at stake, why couldn't that preacher have simply stayed with the wife he had, and his second wife stayed with the husband she had? And they were not, by a long shot, the only christians I have known who pulled off such stunts.
I have heard thousands of prayers uttered in church and elsewhere, and have uttered thousands myself. I have never seen anything whatsoever result from praying. Oh, the preachers and sunday school teachers constantly pointed out instances in which god "answered our prayers," but they were stretching matters beyond the breaking point in making such assertions.
I gave up my "devotion to god" in stages. When I made the definite decision to discard the last shreds of my faith, on a morning in March 1982, I was astounded at how much better and freer my life became. And the change was immediate. Before this, I had been indoctrinated with the belief that the way to solve problems was to pray to god, and if the problems did not get solved, it was god's will that they not get solved because he had a much grander plan at work that we could not perceive but that would eventually become manifest and bring about wonderful blessings. After deconstruction, I found I could use my knowledge and common sense to work on problems with results that, though not always perfect, were better than anything that had ever resulted from praying.
Religion instilled in me the belief that I and everyone else were severely flawed and that we needed to work to be better persons; while us devout christians were morally superior to everyone else and forgiven of our sins (talk about double messages). I literally wore myself out in expending untold amounts of energy to "strive to be better before the lord"; and, at the same time, going around judging everyone who did not exhibit signs of being christians as "bad" and trying to convert them--much to the destruction of all my relationships. I did this for years and don't see that a single nonbeliever I witnessed to or prayed for was ever moved to consider becoming a christian, let alone did I ever convert anyone. What a relief it was after deconstruction when I realized I could just be me and that I do not need to concern myself with whether other people are "good" or "bad." What a burden I was relieved of when I realized I no longer need to concern myself with whether my faith was sufficient or whether I am going to heaven or hell. And, once the blinders of religion fell off, I was astounded to discover that many people who never give religion a thought are morally better than anyone in the church. So many things the bible said that had perplexed me for years suddenly became crystal clear (just as the preachers and sunday school teachers assured me they would!)--the bible stories that had seemed implausible were simply made up, and the rules and commands in the bible that didn't make sense were the result of speculative or delusional thinking or of persons trying to control, subvert, and manipulate the minds and actions of others for egotistical purposes or to accomplish some immediate and transitory objective.
Kristi, you are wise beyond your years! Keep up the good work!
The religion you have described has little in common with the Christianity that I know. "Working to be better persons" and Striving to be better before the Lord" is futile. Our righteousness can only come from Jesus Christ , given by grace and received by faith. Being "devout " does not make you morally superior to anyone, and the NT clearly tells us not to go around judging people. You are no better or worse than anyone else, and your eternal fate does not depend on your "zeal".
If you can just accept Jesus's death as the sure basis of your forgiveness you can be sure of salvation without carring any burden of self doubt.
The reason your church leaders and youth group leaders didn't seem convinced was that they themselves weren't. The reason that they keep up the charade is because their roles give them the power and control that they crave. This is the same reason why politicians that put on a big show about their devotion are regularly exposed as hypocrites.
The retort that "You have to trust Scientists and experts" is a perfectly valid one, and I'd like to show how this should _actually_ work in practice, when handled well.
Saying "everyone believes it" or "someone who knows what they're doing told me so" are both fallacies, and they don't stop being fallacies even if you use them to defend an objectively correct position. I hear things like "All these people can't ALL be wrong, can they?", and the genuine answer is yes, they can. There is no force in this universe preventing an untrue idea from being shared until it's believed by more than half the people on the planet. No mechanism to prevent its spread. So an idea being so widely believed does nothing to show whether it's true OR false. It's just really good at spreading around, that's all.
Likewise, the smartest people in the world can still have strange ideas and misconceptions, believe untrue things, or reason their way to incorrect conclusions. No human on this earth is immune to that, Not even ones with PhDs or other fancy degrees. Being an expert in a topic _does_ give you a higher standing than the average joe, but never guarantees your correctness. You have to earn that. So just because an expert you like says something, that does not mean it's guaranteed to be true. (Especially if their expertise is in the wrong field for the claim they're making. Christianity is notorious for this, be on the lookout for it. PhDs are non-transferable. They don't mean you're brilliant at all of science) While it's certainly better overall to trust experts in a topic over random nobodies IN GENERAL, there's a very good reason "Appeal to Authority" is a logical fallacy, as this does not apply in all cases.
So if you can't even trust the experts in the field, how the heck are you supposed to trust _anything?!_ Well, it's a very subtle distinction, so pay very close attention.
You do not trust an expert's claims.
You trust an expert's REASONING for why that claim is accurate.
Anyone can just SAY something is true. But genuine correctness can be shown. You can get into WHY something is true, and while in the best cases you would perform the tests yourself to prove it TO yourself, in practice you don't have that much time in your life, so sometimes it's all you can do to listen to someone explain how they came to know something, and judge whether the path they took to get there is a valid path or not. You're not judging the claim, you're judging the road taken to reach it.
I trust in scientific experts because when they explain HOW they get their answers, I can see for myself that their methods were anywhere from good to excellent. Some rare few will slip up, and when that happens I distrust or reserve judgement on that specific issue, but for the most part they do an excellent job of this.
I distrust Apologists because when THEY explain how they get their answers, I can see for myself the reliance on fallacy after fallacy, illogical pathways, and the constant appeals to your feelings, seeking to bypass your critical thinking (which strong emotions can bypass completely), and unlike with the occasional bad argument from science-friendly speakers, I have NO experience with apologists getting a point across the finish line without one of these issues. They've literally never done it.
They can be convincing when they speak with incredible confidence. But confidence is not an indicator of truth.
They can be convincing when they make you feel strong love, joy, fear, guilt, or other intense emotions. But strong emotions are not an indicator of truth.
They can be convincing when they have PhDs they've spent years working on. But a certification is not a good enough indicator of truth on its own.
They completely fail to be convincing when you look at what they're saying carefully, refuse to let them bully or sneak their way past your critical thinking, and ask them AND yourself the hard questions. The ones they tell you never to ask.
Always, always, ALWAYS make the experts explain themselves. You'll see quickly who can be trusted and who can't.
Remember, it's not what they know, it's how they learned it.
Make a video .. Or paragraph breaks.. i you want ppl to read this.. js
@@Dr.JustIsWrong There are many paragraph breaks. Should I double-tap it so there's a line between them each? I always thought that would make the problem worse, but maybe it would help instead? Genuine question.
@@riluna3695 _"There are many paragraph breaks."_
Yes, I realized I wasn't being fully precise..
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_"Should I double-tap it so there's a line between them each?"_
IDK.
..but I do that. I still get ppl saying, "I'm not reading all that!"
Sometimes I try to indent, as well. TH-cam seems to accept 4 spaces, though a copypasta tab sometimes sticks.
- mebbe a leading dash..
and lotsa commas, to break-up compound sentences, or thought chunks..
or..
_TL:DR, a summary for, attn span of butterflies.._
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@@riluna3695 _"I always thought that would make the problem worse"_
The problem is 'text wall,' and keeping track of paragraphs while reading & scrolling..
You ate that and left no crumbs
Telling people that their going to hell is never going to win souls!
Imagine a god that waits for you to die to punish you for eternity for choosing the wrong religion. A God that stays quiet and does nothing to correct us on earth , punishes us for eternity afterwards.
That's an evil silly and cruel being.
So true, I also should’ve have realized before indoctrinated, why would this book God want people to DIE first in other side will plan to resurrect um wanting to judge again😅and it actually was this God who brought the idea of DEATH first😢
Every time that I have had the misfortune to talking with an evangelical it always has ended up with having to endure a tirade of irrational rantings. If heaven is filled evangelicals, then I would rather go someplace else because they would have made a hell of it.
I collect evangelizing materials as a hobby. I travel a lot and people tend to leave them in public bathrooms, so I have quite a few of them. They're quite interesting to me, especially as an ex-believer. Nearly all of them have this incredibly earnest tone, as though they expect finding a pamphlet in a truck stop bathroom in Alabama to be the first time you've ever heard anything about Christianity. It's so wildly unrealistic, I'm convinced that the real function they serve is making the people who distribute them feel better about themselves. At most they might prod the conscience of someone who does believe but hasn't been putting in as much effort lately. The idea that they might actually convert someone is laughable. I do wonder if believers in other countries ever do this, or if it's uniquely American.
No, it's not uniquely American! Although, from what you describe, there is a whole lot more pamphlet activity going on in the U.S.A! It makes sense. The U.S.A has a big population with a large number of Christians, and populations that aren't, who are ripe for potential converting!
In regard to Jehovah's Witnesses, I have heard a theory that they are deliberately kept busy (with their proselytising hours recorded, and judged). Even though the leaders of their church (The Governing Body = currently 9 men in U.S.A.) know that very few are brought into the JW religion that way, because they want to keep them busy with minimal time to reflect on, and question their beliefs.
Bible going Christians are not real you can do the math with me in my city we have 10,000 churches and have the third highest crime rate in the country . Real easy right basically people that go to a building to impress others is not a Christian buddy.
That's not really the purpose of gospel tract that is left for someone. It is the "sowing of the seed" of the Word of God and the gospel. You don't know what kind of soil that seed will fall upon. (Jesus told the parable of the sower in Matthew 13:3b-9).
The Word of God is like seed that falls upon the human heart.
This is so true and funny
@@christophergibson7155 Lol.
Love your videos! Keep them coming.
LOVE this! Ex-JW here… you just described how absolutely stupid my former door knocking was! Like the simple question that the current dumbass tract we were offering was gonna blow their mind with some soul searching deep revelation…😆
Shocker- I never met anyone at a door that was super intrigued by this brochure I suddenly brought them! No one ever admitted to me they’ve just realized they were wrong all along. Weird.
But of course in that faith it was always the fault of the “publisher” knocking on the door that fell short in finding “right hearted ones”.
Ugh!!
I absolutely love your videos!! Thank you!!
I have heard the theory that the Governing Body know very few are converted by door knocking, or with carts, but it keeps the Jehovah's Witnesses too busy to have time to reflect on what they are being taught, thus keeping them in the cult.
Being ignored or politely rejected (or just told to eff off) constantly by 'outsiders' is a good way to convince cult members that the 'insiders' are the good people they should trust and cling to. They're set up to fail. Here in the UK, JWs usually 'get the message out' by standing quietly outside shopping centres and stations with a stand of leaflets. They're ignored by 99.9% of the population, but are a soft target for the outdoor drinking community: a perfect way to remind JWs that the Kingdom Hall is their safe space.
Oh wow. I was born in plus 50 years. My dad was an Elder my whole life. I'm out now and so glad. I wish you the best in your endeavors. (Just don't pick another cult. Lol)
Pizza restaurant: Eat our pizza because we have the only real, true, authentic pizza.
Me: Nah... You're all full of dough.
Yep. That's how all religions sound. 😂😂
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Christianity in a nut shell
That's cheesy.
About the time I think I have a pretty good handle on all the ways xtianity is effed up, you show me another example of gaslighting, pressuring, and self-esteem shredding involved. SMH. Thank you for making this channel, Kristi. In my day to day life I don't dare say out loud what I really think, but here I can. Religion is one multilayered mindfuck.
I hope, one day, you will feel ready to find a home environment where you can relax and be yourself. It must be extremely difficult containing your thoughts and feelings! That kind of stress can effect people's immune system. May you continue taking care of yourself in whatever ways work best for you. Your life is your birthright to claim. 😊
A man rushes into a pub and orders a double-brandy.
While the barman is pouring, the man extends his hand at knee height
and asks: "Do penguins grow this tall?"
"Sure..." The barman replies.
The man raises his hand up to his hip: "How about this tall?"
"Well, maybe a king penguin, but I'm not sure..."
The man hold his hand at shoulder level: "This tall?"
"Not a chance."
The man knocks back his drink and says: "Then I just ran over a nun."
I heard a much, much, much dirtier version involving two Leprechauns asking a priest if he'd ever seen a nun "about our size". I'll leave the details to the imagination.
😂😂😂😂
Jokes are funny
Thanks!! I love your reasonable tone explaining all these unreasonable religious ppl. I was raised as a jehovahs witness but I was born gay and i don't even need to finish the story. You are so smart and can pick up on things. I came to tell you I appreciate your story not to tell you mine. Just added small context so you know I understand. Keep on helping ppl. Just seeing your channel helped me! You deserve this and much more! ❤️ thank you
Thanks so much for your support 🫶 it means a lot.
And I was born a bank robber...
@@rickemmons7300 You don't choose sexual orientation. Try again nitwit.
I always think of the very well-renowned biblical scholar Mike Licona when he says that historians hold the 'facts' they have about history "with an open hand".
That's how we should hold all knowledge--especially history. What we know about anything is just what we know _so_ _far_ . Holding onto any of it so tightly that you refuse to accept new evidence will only lead to false beliefs and bad outcomes.
Love this!
Fear tactics made into dogma....Stand up evangelicals, take a bow!
If I told you your house was on fire and was telling you because you didn't know it and that I had called the fire department you'd say I was using a fear tactic. Same difference.
@@garystapp1656what do you mean by "same difference"? 🤔
@@garystapp1656yeah, but in that case the person whose house is on fire knows you personally, and presumably knows your track record for telling the truth about an objectively observable phenomenon.
This is not the clever comparison you think it is.
@@AntonAchondoa But to the believer in Jesus Christ shouting "Fire--Get Out"
to the unbeliever who doesn't know their house is on fire, is the objective truth
according to the Word of God.
@rennan1173 She is making it about if a person does bad, according to the Bible their going to hell. Jesus Christ came so we wouldn't have to go if we accept him as our savior and lord. No one goes to hell because they commit sin. It's because they don't truly believe in God and accept Jesus. Kristi gets many things wrong about God. Sad. I will say all the people in the world who claim to be Christian and don't bad and treats people wrong doesn't disprove God. That's what many unbelievers use to try to disprove God, which is ludicrous.
The difference between trusting what scientists say about the shape of the Earth and what believers say about gods is that what scientists say about the shape of the Earth is falsifiable.
The good thing about theories is that they can be wrong. What's bad about theology is that it can't be proven wrong.
Well put!
Science deals with the material realm and has nothing to say about spiritual matters. That is neither good nor bad, it is just the nature of things.
Unfortunately, I can think of one thing people are more and more clinging to blindly: political identity. The whole 'Moral Majority's movement really fired up the process of bringing all the problems of religion into our politics. 😞
You nailed it. Everything you said is logical and rational. Pretty much sums up my whole problem with religion. I left jehovah witnesses 30 years ago as a teenager foe these very reasons.
You are exceptionally good to explain these things.👌
Glad you think so!
Very-much enjoying your videos. Your thoughts are well organized and processed. I appreciate that you don’t take the approach like “If you still believe that stuff, you’re nuts!”. You understand people’s differences and the depth at which “we” were indoctrinated as young people. It’s deep. Keep up the great work, it is appreciated. Subscribed.
I appreciate that! Thanks for subscribing!
Life is not about winning souls for Jesus,its about walking in love, basically caring for each other and wanting the best for each other
The more I learn to live life loving ,caring and focusing on the good of others the more life makes sense
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it's taken almost 30 years.... but I finally found someone who thinks similarly to me.
especially coming from a (HEAVILY) religious background.
I agree with a ton of what you are presenting and the other bit makes me think in different ways than I am used to.
Keep up the great work! and keep thinking rationally.
I had somebody trying to tell me that all the weather events were a sign that "God is on the move". last night. She proselytized, threatened me with eternal damnation, and wouldn't stop until I told her that all I did was make a comment on climate change and she picked it up and ran with it. And ended it with "let's end this shit". She stopped.
The bit about the Earth's shape, scientists have given us the tools to verify their claim. Religion never offers such tools. You have to just believe.
Well done Kristi. You have freed yourself from irrationality and religious nonsense, aka "mumbo jumbo". Indeed, you have been "saved"!
A good presentation of the problem with evangelical Christianity
Great video as usual ❤
My father was a southern baptist preacher, and I was raised very involved in the independent fundamental southern baptist circle. I was also homeschooled, with all my curriculum being centered and focused around Christianity. Field trips the creation museum, youth conferences and Bible school events etc.
I feel lucky to be a part of the far too few able to find the courage to question their faith. It was absolutely terrifying trying to face the fact that maybe everything I ever knew was a lie. Who I am, what the universe is, that there’s a predetermined plan in place and that my purpose here is to spread the truth so that people don’t burn for eternity. I also was taught to die to/deny myself, and that my identity is found in Christ. I’m supposed to be a mirror reflection of him. When you walk away from a lifetime of brainwash, it causes one hell of an identity crisis. But these days, I’m happier than I’ve ever been, and I’ve grown so much more as a person.
Saddens me to think about the vast amount of people caught in this large scale ever evolving cult that’s somehow lasted generations.
I think it is coming to end... this channel and all the comments are a reflection of the beginning of the end of this myth..
Thank you for your channel! I went through a lifetime of religious emotional abuse (sometimes physical- because it MUST be ok if it's in the name of JESUS). I grew up with divorced parents, my bio mom going through transition from female to male and my dad being remarried and toxically religious. I felt at the age of twelve I was responsible for the salvation of my mom. I am so grateful to now be able to develop my own understanding of life and escape the cult of christianity. I've endured more harm in that than anything else. I appreciate seeing someone else from the southern belt calling it out and using your rational mind. Keep doing what you're doing
When i was Christian I believed (and I think many Christians believe) that when people heard the message, the holy spirit would back me up. To me that meant that at least some part of the person knew that what i was saying was true. In a way, i thought that people hearing "the good news" would be somewhere between , willing to question their non-christian views and a full out Paul type experience.
I converted as an 10 year old, after throwing rocks at people who were tracting in the neighbourhood; they came to our door, my mother invited them in deciding that i needed to believe (without knowing about my attack on the missioning people). They never ratted me out and after a few heavy doses of cognitive dissonance from not wanting to admit why i was playing along and being nice plus not wanting to face backlash from my mother's stuff, i really started to believe. I figured that it meant other people would have such extreme conversion experiences too and that it was good/ healthy to do so.
Yes. There is the danger of mistaking mere conceptual acquiescence with actually 'finding Jesus'. The former is what we do to fit in. The latter is miraculous and beyond our power, beyond the limits of rational argument. In finding Jesus, we are then forced to deal with that new reality. Submit to it? Or reject it and keep the life we have? The choice is up to each person. The historical record is full of such 'conversions': Paul the apostle, Francis of Assisi, John Newton, John Wesley, C S Lewis, etc. There are probably plenty of such 'conversions' right in your neighborhood.
Thank you for your time and dedication.
@jezebelvibes Thank you SO much for your videos! I've been going through a long, painful deconstruction and your rational talks have helped me a great deal. Much love to you and thanks!
Another great video, Kristi!! Thank you so much.❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for watching!
Good perspective as always. The time and energy that you put into this is a marvel. Remember to rest when you need to. ✨
Hi, love your videos. I was raised Presbyterian. When I started attending the first Baptist church of Downey I was in shock. Culture Shock. I never heard of witnessing for Jesus. A lot of people who study Theology end up being non believer.
I am no longer in the faith because of total nonsense from church who told me I was possessed by the Demon ADHD. Yeah! Right! And a crazy Christian friend who sees Satan in everything, including GOT and House of the Dragon. What you sat is straight on.
Keep up the great work.
You don’t have any demons. Don’t listen to these whackos who tell you to “just pray about it”. 😒
Another excellent video. I'm sure you are helping many people who are going through or considering deconversion/deconstruction.
Great work again, as always!
This was Excellent!
I say this VERY rarely .. But you are very logical and observant to all the obscure subtleties with in religious doctrine .. you are exceedingly thorough " unpacker " great content !!!
Your videos are healing for me🥺. Thank you! thank you!
I love listening to your explanation, very easy to understand ❤
Wow, these are some very interesting things to ponder upon. Evangelical Christianity really sounds like a leap in the dark. thank you very much!
Another great video 😊
Thank you 🤗
@@jezebelvibes in my country , Christian missionaries give money to tribals to convert then manipulate them to fight against other community& government.
They even force government to to favour Christianity not with philosophy but financial, & civil war pressure.
They come in my country , have brain washed so many people that the seriously think Earth is flat , Jesus is the savior , every human is a sinner.
Their hate for local native religion which polytheist of course it says earth is oval not round . they attack non Christians. And our government is doing nothing bcoz these missionaries control these converted Christian people.
And They get founded by west. 😢
I greatly appreciate your candor. Your journey is a lot like mine was, and I thank you for sharing your story. You do an excellent job of putting reason ahead of judgement. Thank you!
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I’m glad I found your TH-cam channel several weeks ago.
It’s all driven by fear and not real love. Even love is hard for humanity to grasp or understand.
Love your work.
Thank you!
i appreciate what you do. Thank you
very good video and thoughts of yours.....well done....thanks
She's so smart. 💯
Jack T Chick tracts were all the rage back in my day. The D&D one is unintentionally hilarious by modern sensibilities.
You know they made that one into a movie right
@@aaronsasinowski8004 The one with Tom Hanks or was there another?
I think ur very intelligent n very well informed I wish u nothing but love n success you go girl
Great video! Thank you
Kristi, I REALLY believe that what you share can be applied through all ideologies, religions (or lack thereof). Bottom line here is to each his own and we owe each other nothing. In fact, maturity means adjustments, and that’s a private thing. Thanks for opening our minds
The problem is that Christianity and some others don't believe that it's "to each our own". It's all about exclusivity and control. As a former Christian now polytheistic pagan, the change was amazingly liberating!
@@davidmelton7268 I understand what you mean. I think I got smarter when I let that nonsense go.
I have always found it strange, and a little scarey, when I hear Americans talk about thier experience of leaving Christianity. I live in Scotland, and when I realized that it was a load of old nonsense, I just stopped believing in it and got on with my day. If anybody asked if I believed in God and Jesus I just said No, and that was that. Nobody attacked me, or disowned me, or came to my door to try and bring me back to the fold. Nothing changed. We have a very different view of religion in Europe. If you believe in God then fine, and good luck, but don't tell me about it. If somebody here started behaving the way we see evangelicals USA behave, they would probably be sent for a psychiatric evaluation.
Don't believe everything you hear on TH-cam. You can cuss God in USA and the vast majority could care less. You will get into more trouble referring to a black person the "n-word" than cussing God.
Bart Ehrman for example have made a good living criticizing Christianity even in the Bible Belt.
Muslims have complained about Christians in the West are too soft allowing people to talk trash about Jesus. They don't allow that with Muhammad and the Quran they say.
Yes, here in the UK the situation is very different form how it appears to be in the USA. Most people give very little thought to religion and are atheist by defauilt. Those of us who identify as Christians are in the minority and any overt expression of belief is met with anything from disinterest to outright hostillity. Any Christian politician who puts their head above the parapet and admits their faith is likely to see their career come to a premature end. It is much safer in the UK not to believe in God.
Might not be the situation in all of Europe though. I’m thinking about the rise of conservatism in especially Eastern Europe 🤔 and there is Evangelism in Europe as well, but on a smaller scale and not as part of the politic system. Individual persons may find it really hard to deconvert on an emotional level (I was a preacher’s kid and my family are Christians, which makes for some dilemmas), but you don’t get disowned unless you are in what I would consider a cult.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb I'm not sure that its true that professing a belief in god will end your political career in the UK. What I will agree with is that if you try to pass your out-dated and bigoted beliefs off as some kind of protected morality, then you will rightly be denied the position. The best recent example of this would be Kate Forbes of the SNP. Once her beliefs were exposed she was quickly sent packing. it had nothing to do with her religion, but rather her personal beliefs.
Very well thought out argument!
I love your videos. Your stories are so relatable and speaking my repressed feelings out of my mouth.