Deconstructing Noah's Flood | When God Regretted Everything
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- For god so loved the world...he destroyed it. Let's deconstruct the story of Noah and the flood.
Please keep in mind that all everything I say here is my subjective opinion, and is intended to deconstruct fundamentalist/evangelical/conservative Christian ideologies from an ex christian perspective
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I remember reading a post on YT from somebody who, as a child in Sunday school, drew a picture of the ark surrounded by floating corpses of animals and people.
Her teacher was horrified, but the kid was very confused, because wasn't drowning everyone the POINT of the flood?
The teacher was only thinking about the people on the boat.
The kid was thinking about everybody ELSE.
Lol, Christians cherry pick lol
That's an awesome kid. 😂😂😂❤❤❤
@@MeganVictoriaKearnsthat kid is the next step in human evolution (this is my F you to christianity)
I'm a Christian myself and I'm upset that I didn't think to do that as a kid.
@joshuarampey1126 i stopped being christian at age 16 because christianity is easily debunked and my moms christian views made her abusive towards me
God regretted creating humanity, and then felt the urge to destroy them shortly after they were created.
Did he feel this way for satan? Nope.
this is such a great point!
Yes! Yahweh allowed Satan to live much longer than he let humans live. Sonofabitch.
@@jezebelvibes It really shows the stupidity of the biblical god. Humanity supposedly became sinful from the influence of satan but instead of destroying satan, humanity must be destroyed? uh huh. ok.
Boom!
I had to read that 3 times but then it hit me what you were saying. Wow. That's very true
'The earth is filled with Violence. Behold I will destroy them!' God hasn't got much of a sense of irony.
And he so “full of Love” isn’t he 😂
Doesn’t have an ounce of self awareness lol
He also watched Noah curse Ham and was okay with it. He never learns.
Right
'Mr. G' isn't known for his critical thinking skills.
Violence should not be judged?
The funny irony of this situation, is the one who committed the 1st evil after the flood was Noah himself. Genesis tells this sordid after-flood tale. Noah was drunk(for whatever reason) and passed out naked. Ham(one of Noah's sons) spots him and tell his brothers. They proceed to cover-up their father's shame. Then Noah rages because of this and puts a curse on Ham's son Canaan. Noah curses his innocent grandson into slavery. Just like that Noah creates hostility in his own family. So much for the one rightous man.
Oh man... I never realized that. It goes to show how powerful indoctrination is... You believe without questioning anything! That is so dangerous, and now that I'm on the outside looking in I can see how awful it is. Christians talk about being so free but yet they are the ones in chains
But noah was a saint in god s eyes, and thru him came all pagan people who god will send to hell next..and then jesus comes and dies for all to be saved, but no, most of humanity goes to hell becz they dont believe in him, so all fails after all...good plan
@@2024balam One person's saint can be another's demon. It's often difficult to find fault with anyone we tend to put on high pedestals. Even the very highest. It's when we take away these pedestals, that we see these characters in a more realistic light.
And your point is? He was the best of a terrible bunch. That tells me more about God's mercy and wish to let humanity survive to fulfil his plan than whatever you are suggesting. Plus, whatever is being alluded to was bad and shameful, but unclear so perhaps you have and imagination that is unpleasant. As for the curse, it seems clear that it was more complicated than your assumption - it was clearly prophetic in that sense as the Canaanites were unbelievably evil. Just as well you didn't fall into their hands eh.
@@hj925 There is no justification to curse anyone into slavery. Noah commits this evil and brings division, resentment, and conflict. That was bad enough. But he inflicts this on his own grandson who did nothing wrong. A completely despicable act. Noah has always been looked upon as some hero by so many. Until the hung-over POS does this horrific act. Meaning the so-called Great Flood was in vain, as it accomplished absolutely nothing.
As an adult, who has studied science, I honestly feel embarrassed that I believed this story as a kid & teenager.
Don't! That's how indoctrination works!
@@Mar-dk3mp _Why godless alone people are obsessed with God??_
That is simple. Because "god people" continue to pass laws and file lawsuits PUSHING THEIR BELIEFS onto others. Look at how states are trying to have intelligent design taught in schools. How they want to put the ten commandments in every school room. How they want to force prayer into public schools.
As soon as theist stop that garbage, we'll stop "obsessing".
@@Mar-dk3mp the rest of your wall of hot mess isn't really worth responding to.
Don't be embarrassed. It's not easy to question Christians as a kid. I became atheist as a kid all while being forced to go to an evangelical church. I was just fortunate that I always questioned Everything. The adults at church didn't like me and always told me to stop questioning because it was not my place.
@@Samael580 I do what ever you want.. and it is not a godless trash to tell me what to do, get it?
When my husband and I left Christianity together a year and a half ago after doing a lot of researching and reading on our own, we sat down with my in laws to tell them. My father in law had already left the faith 10 years earlier, but my mother in law is still very much embedded in it. My husband and I brought up all the millions that God either killed himself or commanded orhers to kill. She looked at us and said, "They had to die! ... they were so sinful and wicked and God had to protect his people!"
That sent shivers down my spine and I felt so ashamed that I had believed the same thing for so many years.
I feel more free now than I ever did as a Christian and I'm so glad we left before our children became indoctrinated.
@@crystalblackford3608 God commanded some to be killed because they had DNA from the angels who gave up their estates and came to earth to mate with women (book of Enoch; see a hint of this in Matt 6: 1-5)...those beings were as giants in the land and and not of God's creation.
Furthermore, had procreation continued on its natural course, every human alive would have had their DNA corrupted by this nephilim seed. This would have made it IMPOSSIBLE for any female body to carry the TOTALLY INCORRUPT baby of Jesus in the womb...which would have BLOCKED humanity's perfect sacrifice from being able to be born free of sin.
THAT'S why God instructed those tribes to be wiped out, and why Noah's flood was necessary. Had all seed been corrupted there could be no perfect sacrifice for our sins.
You need to consider returning to faith. You simply have a misunderstanding of why God did that.
_I feel more free now than I ever did as a Christian_
Just goes to show that feelings aren't true.
@@craigsmith1443 Feelings will not save you Craig. You might feel free now but what might you feel when you are at the point of death? I imagine dread.
Is it an issue of unbelief in God or just not wanting to be accountable?
If unbelief I'd encourage you to do a little bit of study on prophecies in the bible that have come to pass. What other book can predict the future that you know of? Second I'd encourage you to look at events in 1917 Fatima, Portugal, where 70,000 ppl witnessed a promised miracle (google "Miracle of the Sun"). I'm not Catholic, but an amazing event that points to God's reality.
Finally I'd suggest taking a look at the relatively new phenomena (discovered via computers) known as the Torah Codes, which reveal hundreds of events happening NOW that have been encoded secretly I the Hebrew language bible for 3500 years.
Seriously Craig, spend a little time looking at these topics. God is about freedom from spiritual bondage, not making your earthly life miserable. I fear many unbelievers are going to discover a horrible reality at the moment they pass over and see how they have been deceived. Don't be deceived friend.
If there was a Bible story about a boy trading the family cow for some magic beans which, when planted, grew into the clouds (where a giant lived,) the literalists would argue just as strenuously for its validity as they do the flood.
That's crazy true
True
You mean "Jack and the Beanstalk" ISN'T a bible story??? (Just kidding!) 😉😊
Close to the tower of Babel though
@@jamesc5144 🤣🤣🤣Well... it would be, wouldn't it? 🤣🤣🤣
I once worked in a lab that prepared and packaged boar semen. There was a barn attached where the animals were kept. We had a very elaborate ventilation system. One night it failed. A worker wasn't paying attention and entered the barn that was contaminated with methane. He passed out. Someone noticed and went in to get him. He passed out. Luckily he made it to right outside the door.
This happened with approximately 50 animals after less than 8 hours. Do the math.
Ventilation? I dunno🤷. I heard they just slept while they were supposedly on the ark. If God can bring them there, I'm sure he can put them in a coma😆
Do the meth (ane)
The ark had a window running the entire length of the roof
@@ucanliv4ever So, how long did it take the ark to flood from all the rain and capsize?
@@druidriley3163 the roof had an overhang so the water didn't get in.
My mind still boggles at the fact that there are STILL people in the 21st century that are willing to check their humanity and critical thinking skills at the door in a lame and fruitless attempt to not only argue that this actually happened, but to also defend the monster deity attached to this tale.
The only monster you need to worry about is satan and how you can break the shackle that is attaching yourself to him...
I think genesis was mostly theological I don’t believe in a lot of the literal interpretations. Also God didn’t create the moon and sun until the 3rd day so when atheist try to gaslight Christian y’all don’t even know the basics of what you’re judging
@@RedVelvetBlackleather so you don’t believe in a lot of literal interpretations of most of Genesis yet you think that God “created” the sun and moon on the third day.
Other than prove my point about checking one’s critical thinking skills at the door; how does this address anything that I said unless you just wanted to show that like most believers you cherry-pick which parts of this nonsense that you can accept and dismiss the parts that are a bridge too far for even you to accept as figurative.
@@SPL0869
The days are meant to representative of Gods actions in general the 7 day creation narrative being a literal 168 hours is impossible because the sun and moon which create that bases isn’t created until the 3rd day my point being there’s a lot of stuff in genesis which is meant to theologically important but not literally taken. You’re upset that Christians don’t need to be red neck young earth creationist and have a IQ in the double digits to inflate your own sense of intelligence because you’re atheist this is of course speculation on my part and is just my opinion so don’t take it to heart.
Genesis is so terrible they even fucked up the first sentence!
Love how this young woman exposes the ridiculousness of religion.
She's on fire 🔥. Her debunking skills are amazing! 👍
Not that's it's relevant, but I don't think that Kristi is particularly young. She just looks very young - she must have an excellent skin care routine (and/or good genes). 🙂
@@Amazing_Mark anything under 40 is young IMO ...
@@desireedebellis6766 atheism is no sense.. and you will be judge by God, no matter you do not like it.
@@AtheimsisanEmptyCult And who will judge God?
I did ask these questions in church. They answered just like you said. Basically, don’t question god’s word. Be afraid to doubt god’s word. You’ll burn burn burn 🔥
I don’t doubt maybe slightly but I just question with anger due to the current irritation I have going on
According to them we're burning for wearing mixed fabrics, so lets invest in Asbestos soul lining. Asides I thought Jebus died for our sins, so we're scott free ... unless Unrealismo was lying, in which case why did JC die in the first place? If we're still filthy sinners by birth then what in the smeg was the crusifiction about? Poops and giggles?
Which of course means that no one at all anywhere ever has any other reaction.
You haven't asked anyone else in other churches? I see...
_All Indians walk in single file. At least, the only Indian I ever saw did._
@@craigsmith1443 I asked more than one person and at different churches. No I didn’t travel to China or the jungles of South America. So I should apologize to you for making such a statement about my experience?
@@MrsBridgette2012 _So I should apologize to you for making such a statement about my experience?_
Hasty Conclusion fallacy.
Your experience is limited, your memory faulty, that is the point of my response. Most Christians do not answer as you seem to remember those you have talked to do, nor does the Bible encourage Christians to do so. If you were truly interested in getting to the truth, you'd continue your study on the question until you found real answers, not responses from people who don't know any more than you do. That is true in any field of study. Don't go to peers or to laymen (do those videos showing Gen Z people who know absolutely nothing about history mean that every Gen Zer knows nothing about history or that all Gen Zers are equally ignorant, or that there is no history to know? We would never say that. So why say it about your limited church experience? Go where the answers are, not where they are not.
The point you make about being able to spot the flaws in the Bible just by sitting down and reading for oneself is so spot on. Ironically, Martin Luther openned up Pandora's Box so to speak and this is the real reason why the Catholic Church for so long resisted translating the Bible into the languages of the various peoples in Europe and preferred to have the priests as the sole intermediaries who provided the people with the Church's interpretation of the Bible. It's because they knew people were going to think for themselves and come away with their own interpretations. And that's exactly what happened over time. First the various Protestant denominations came about and then in the 19th century biblical scholars began comparing the Bible with older texts from Mesopotamia such as the Tale of Gilgamesh and finally in the 20th century the average person gained access to translations of those Mesopotamian texts and were able to make the comparison for themselves.
At the end of the day only one thing matters... What you choose. Are you a good witch or a bad witch? Follow the yellow brick road.
There was no Pandora’s Box. It was a jar.
@@williamwilson6499 I'm pretty sure it was a metaphor... But... Whatever let's you... lift the lid. Whoever gets that one let me know. It relates to Jesus. In a rockin way.
@@duaneburris7ate9 People get the metaphor wrong. And I try to correct that when I see it.
@@williamwilson6499 it is what it is, and once it is it ain't never going back. Till it's misunderstood. Did you get the song pun?
If what we believe can not be challenged this is a BRF “Big Red Flag”. This applies to anything we believe.
totally agree! any belief worth believing should be open to scrutiny.
@@jezebelvibes Let's talk and scrutiny you cult, let see where it leads... >TO nothing and loneliness right? We need to move and trash away this godless generation, it is just nonsense.
Questions only destroys lies .
The bible has been under scrutiny since its inception, welcome to the club....
Yeah! I have alot of weird beliefs Soo im open to questions
Even when I was still a Christian, I knew fellow Christians who had the exact same issues with Noah's flood as Kristi outlines here. And now that I've deconverted, the Flood seems like a ridiculous fable. Perhaps to only be believed by children - but even that's problematic.
"Perhaps to only be believed by children"
Even as kids we poked holes in the story.
Mind you, I live in the UK where very few people are christian. The offiicial statistics give a slightly misleading view as many people have told me that they just put CofE on forms out of habit and don't believe a word of the bible.
I wonder about "believed by children". When I was a kid, we did a play about Noah's ark in Sunday school -- and I've seen musicals and so forth created around this story, for kids. But think about it: beyond all the cute stuff about animals and family arguments, what is that story saying? That there's a god who hates what humans do so much that he's happy to destroy everything on the planet, unless we do exactly what he says. Not sure that's a geat story for children to learn.
As a catholic kid I was told that these stories are metaphorical. Then I grew up and found out that if the stories are metaphorical, Christian theology begins to collapse on its very foundations. No original sin? Ok, so it's completely gratuitous disease, suffering and death for everyone, I guess. I mean, even if Adam and Eve sinned, why punish their descendants and all animals? So much for an all-loving god.
That is sidestepping the issue and looking for excuses .
The issue is this : Jesus Christ . Forget the fables .
@@RocketKirchner but Jesus is mostly a fable
To me, the most powerful statement in this video is "maybe you should suffer the consequences of your actions instead of making everyone else suffer for the consequences of your actions."
Great insight and presentation!
Not an insight at all. A great error, in fact. People suffer --- and suffered --- the consequences of their own actions. That was the point of the previous 6 chapters. You've read them, of course.
@@craigsmith1443 I'm sure all those babies, toddlers, little kids and the unborn and animals who didn't listen to god chose to sin and thus got what they had...oh, wait...
@@druidriley3163 _I'm sure all those babies, toddlers, little kids and the unborn and animals who didn't listen to god chose to sin and thus got what they had...oh, wait_
Context. In order to understand any statement or story, one must include the context. You've read all of Genesis several times? You've read the history of the ancient Middle East? You've read the literature of Mesopotamia? If not, perhaps you would do well to be a bit more humble and listening to Genesis than dismissive without knowledge.
@@craigsmith1443 Have you read those histories? Doubtful. Otherwise you would already know the Noah story is a plagiarism of the earlier Sumerian story. How's that for context? 😎😎😂😂🤣🤣
@@druidriley3163 _Have you read those histories? Doubtful_
You really are more certain than you know. Yes, I have read 'those histories,' and the Epic of Gilgamesh, and I read Hebrew and Greek (the Septuagint). You apparently wish to assume whatever will make you debunking easy, but sorry, once again you are not right.
As for the 'plagiarism' charge, that's far to simplistic, evidence that you don't know about that, either. If you knew the Bible and the nature of the several literatures in it, and the history of the people Israel, especially before they were Israel, _you_ would know that there is a reason and a purpose for the Flood story to be structured as it is. The point of the story is not the Flood as it is with Utnapishtim. It's quite different, a message of hope unlike the messages of the Mesopotamian stories. God inspired the Hebrew narrator to take what everyone knew and to tell a Biblical story with it. It's not a 'plagiarism.' It's a greater truth that, like all great truths, becomes clear only with time and honesty.
It’s hard to imagine how an omnipotent and all-knowing God could regret anything at all.
Once a couple of missionaries came up to me and they were really nice and their stories really interested and I was young and craving community, never having had much to do with religion. So I said yeah sure, I'll give the bible a read, I have one at home, I'll read it beginning to end. I love books so it'll be quick, I'll get back to you when I'm done. And they said no, no, don't bother with the old testatment, start reading the new one so you'll be done quicker in time for that big babtism event we want to invite you to or whatever. But I was a bookworm and I had principles and you don't just start reading a series and start with the sequel. You start at the beginning. So I sat down and read the old testament and I managed maybe 3-4 chapters until I was like: "What the fuck, god is pure evil." Never contacted those missionaries again.
Now you know why they didn't want you to start with the OT.
Read the New Testament .
The New Testament is directly linked to the Old Testament. Jesus supported Abrahamic Law which originated with the barbaric god Yahweh.
@@christophergibson7155 I guess you mean blasphemy? I can't spot any hypocrisy in what JamesRichardWiley said.
@@christophergibson7155 Ah, got it. I can see now where you're coming from.
However, consider that it's only hypocrisy if they are a believer in the Abrahamic God.
If they don't believe, they aren't a sinner (and won't accept a believer declaring them a sinner) in the Bible's sense from their own PoV and therefore can't be hypocritical.
I was a fundagelical for close to 35 years of my life(wasted?).I am now an atheist-of 5 years.As I deconverted I slowly began to realize that, when reading the Bible,I had carefully cherry-picked verses that I liked all those years,as many fundagelicals do today.I had overlooked passages dealing with god's atrocities.I tried rationalizing many of the absurdities and nonsense between it's pages.If I came across a seeming contradiction that I could not figure out, I ran to the nearest apologetic book to find the answer.I basically read what made me feel good and what I wanted to read-and disregarded the rest.When I see videos like yours,I not only agree with the things you say, but I realize what a gullible person I was.Please continue putting out these well thought out videos.Peace to you and yours.
I know it’s easy to beat ourselves up for not getting out earlier, but don’t. You got out, and good for you!
Most people don’t ever wake up. And that’s the real tragedy. What we take away from our experiences, we can use to warn the next generation. Not saying that it is pleasant, but we were victims of bad ideas. It wasn’t our fault.
And now, the truth HAS set you free.
Peace!
@@stevenbatke2475 Thanks! That was some good advice.
@@shriggs55 my pleasure. I find it easy (and satisfying, frankly) to troll those we disagree with, but I remind myself that encouraging people I agree with, goes much further.
We are not alone in our struggles.
Have a great day!
@@stevenbatke2475 I have to agree.Thanks,again.
Yep, same. Just cherry pick your way through and everything will be alright, until it isn't any more.
Abuse is the norm in many churches, you are spot on. It exists on many levels. But when they run their lives by a book that Stephen King couldn’t have even thought up, what would you expect. It’s lunacy.
Stephen King's films and novels are based on hid nightmares, which are probably based on the religion he grew up with.
Been atheist for many years and listen to Atheist Experience and so many other outspoken atheists but I’ve NEVER heard anyone call out the obsurdities of the Bible so elequently and beautiful as you do. You are so brilliant and for someone who believes in this god, it’s impossible to argue with what you put forth. Bravo, gurl! 👏🏾 bravo! 👏🏾
thank you so much! That truly means a lot. I'm really happy my videos can resonate with so many
Not only the world gone gone, bad tried to restart with Noah and family. Again with Sodom and Gomorrah cities gone bad he destroyed them. The tower of Babel changed their language. Today people are turning their backs on God. Again we face Armageddon, the message don't turn away from God.
@@jezebelvibesYou do a great job debunking Noah's Ark. Countless reasons why this story is fiction, it's amazing anyone believes it. I've always said it's just a story for children.
As a former Christian raised between LDS and Southern Baptist sects, your content speaks to me so deeply. Thank you for teaching critical thinking to those who were discouraged from birth to learn that skill.
happy you found freedom!
Thank you, and you as well!
@@jezebelvibesI like your videos ❤ I am an atheist too but I went to a Catholic church as a kid so we're both Ex Christians
Going over these things the way you do makes me realize how many thought stopping techniques that were used to make us believe something that even as a child we recognized to be problematic. When you use any critical thinking these things fall apart so quickly!! Thanks for your videos!
Thought stopping techniques are unfortunately quite common in political circles now too. Those would be the other kind of wmd's, "weapons of mass distraction". It usually involves some kind of marginally related change of subject or diversion away from direct acknowledgement. It's why they always have to keep moving the goalpost. These are conservative minds directly influenced by the ways of religion unfortunately, and they are subservient to the loudest voice in the room, not the most rational. This is what almost every evangelical church in this country looks up to. They get scared about their children having to merely hear about racial or sexual identity issues (they call that grooming btw) and ignore the fact that they are finding out more and more that they are handing over their children to sexual predators in the church. They are so lost by these irrational fears, that they are literally ruining their childrens lives because of it in many cases.
You are doing meaningful work by dissecting these stories so carefully and critically! It inspires me to journal, now that I've completely de-converted, and interrogate the bible in the same way. Keep doing what you're doing. 🖤
Thanks so much for the support! I'm happy my work could inspire you. That means so much
Agree 💯%. Christians commenting on here have been flummoxed by Kristi's challenges to their faith.
I also hope that Kristi is just getting started! She certainly appears to have no intention of stopping. 👌
so you reconverted for nothing instead to built a relationshis with God??? For real, we really need to forget vastly this nonsense generation and move to another one. you will non be missed, I promise.
@@AtheimsisanEmptyCult Hi anonymous! Would you like to have a conversation about why I deconverted, since you know absolutely nothing about me? Or, does it feel better for you to just attack people you don't know on the internet because they don't share your beliefs? I sure hope the God you represent/believe in is not as petulant as you are!
@@AtheimsisanEmptyCultI mean, no one will be less missed than the abusive, fearmongering, authoritarian parent who imposes irrational believes and threatens their kids with eternal suffering if they don't behave exactly as they want.
Something else to consider is that after being on a boat for that period of time they just happen to end back up in the same region from which they departed.
😂 I never thought about that before! That is hilarious!
EEK - logic is blasphemy. A pox upon the nonbeliever.
Well ... OK .. no engine, no sails, no oars, a year in a leaky boat.
Bump - "Land!! - Look there is a sign - Madagascar - ???"
Let’s just say the boat was too heavy to move a considerable distance 😢
It's almost as if they never actually strayed that far from home.
Shit you're right.
Even in my youth, I remember listening to the story of Noah's Ark and not fully believing it. Even the religious school I was attending had to admit that it was story, not scientific, although they didn't say that until we were a bit older.
I'm still a bit amazed that grown people even nowadays think this is a real thing.
The Noah story is true but it was more about Atlantis than it was about him
@@AlexLightGiver , that doesn't make any sense.
If the failed Noah's Ark fable is proof of a god what else have believers got, a talking snake and the first humans from dirt and a bone?
Come on, it's time to take a closer look at ancient religion.
@@cjgt77 sure does if you set the Noah story aside and listen to what caused the great flood and why an immense Comet was sent to destroy Atlantis ( both Noah and Atlantis aren't myths they're truths and both existed at the same time)
@@JamesRichardWiley, ancient religion as fable or history? Last time I checked, Atlantis wasn't proven either.
Subscribed. The lady is single handedly taking on the church and for that i am amazed, enlightened, empowered , open and optimistic. Thank you 🙏
Kristi is indeed a force of nature. 👍 I've thoroughly enjoyed her content so far - her critical thinking skills are excellent. 👌
Kristi is well on her way to 1 million views. 🎉
Kristi is amazing. I still want to believe I'm something. But Kristi makes so much sense. Where religions just seem to make crap up and were supposed to just believe it. I love Kristi and all the other critical thinkers out there.
@@andyparrish1933 Since when be in an empty cult or not believe in God or think they you will be nothing once death and have that tough forever makes you be a free thinkers??? you are not a free thinkers you are a godless alone ridiculous person.
She joins a growing chorus of critical thinkers who are helping believers question their faith and leave it behind. So not "single handedly," but definitely welcome!
@@rcnfo1197 you will be judge by God one day, no matter you do not like it now.
People also don’t think about the fact that a lot of animals will die if not in their natural habitat. How did Noah replicate deserts, rainforests, arctic conditions etc in this ship. Billions of different species of animal, billions of different species of insect, plants, marine life… a single ship could never hold it all, including enough food and clean water for what, months?
Also, people didn’t understand where rain came from, they just thought it fell from the sky, rather that being constantly cleaned and recycled.
@@christophergibson7155 cool story
@@christophergibson7155
Exodus 32:27
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Numbers 15:35
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
_Me when I'm delusional to believe that snakes talked that they cursed humanity by giving knowledge, but won't read where God told people to kill:_
@@christophergibson7155 It's one version in a very long lineage of flood stories¹. The original version of this story² was written down at least 2500 years before the bible version³. Unsurprisingly, the bible very is highly embellished. As for "truth", about the only (probably) true things in the bible version are a boat being used to escape a flood; all of the details are manufactured.
¹ The original version is the _Atra-Hassis_ epic written ca. 2900 BCE, just after the (local) flood that inspired it. Many derivative works exist, differing primarily in details and in the names of the characters (typically changed to be that of an important ruler at the time a particular story was adapted).
² The best known version, and the oldest with a surviving description of the "ark", is the _Epic of Gilgamesh_ which dates to ca. 2100 - 1200 BCE (it too was retold many times).
³ The bibles' version was written ca. 400 - 200 BCE.
Noah's Ark is one of the stories from the Bible that started me down the road of deconversion.
It's my go-to story for why I don't believe the Bible. Have you ever watched a movie with a story that was so awful that it made you think about all the reasons it doesn't make sense? That's Noah's Ark to me.
@@PatrickWDunne
We say of a strong young man "he is a fine lad," and in India that word "lad," or "lat" (T and D are the same letters) means the "male organ" or "phallus," as " Asoka's Lat" is a famous iron column or phallus. remember Asoka as endeavoring to introduce, as a universal religion, the teaching of Siddhartha, to unify nations and bring peace. The same word "lad" or "lat" is used as the name of the mountain in which the Ark rested after the Flood. Rand L are identical in many languages; for instance, in ancient Egypt, China, and Japan, and the sacred mountain is called to-day by the Arabs "Allah's Lat" (or male organ), which is the same as “Arah's Rat," or Ararat. So, the Ark (the fertile female) rested on Allah's Lat, and brought forth life, an account of a sexual creation. It was 284 days on the "waters," the period of woman's gestation, when "life" issued from the "Ark.".
@@harveywabbit9541 Are you basing that on a specific source or is that a personal observation?
@@alexhajnal107
You must honor your Creator the Rock that Begat Thee, aka the talking phallus in Deuteronomy 32.18.
@@harveywabbit9541 I take it it's the latter then. Oh, and that translation's a bit of a stretch (That's what she said! Sorry, couldn't resist.)
The thing that almost no one mentions is besides everything, the Ark had one window that was closed. It would have been pitch black, full of animal and human waste, and smelling of methane.
That amount of methane would poison you
I think there was an opening around the upper part of the ark, under the roof. So there would be cross ventilation. Otherwise, it would be "don't light a match."
They had matches?...well there goes that story
Wrong.
Noah was told to leave an opening at the top of the walls of the ark for ventilation.
Genesis 6:16 AMP - - You shall make a window [for light and ventilation] for the ark, and finish it to at least a cubit (eighteen inches) from the top-and set the [entry] door of the ark in its side; and you shall make it with lower, second and third decks.
Genesis 6:16 KJ - A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it
Even with windows, the amount of waste would lead to diseases among the animals if not removed quickly. And animals poop multiple times per day so it's impossible to clean up all that waste. And pushing it overboard would create an ecological disaster for ocean life.
I truly believed as a bible believing Christian for over 4 decades and now I feel so embarrassed 😳.
Kristi, thank you for sharing this story and taking it down along with the AWFUL character of God.
Indoctrination is seriously abusing our children 😢
Just the fact that the waters covered the highest mountains…… how the heck could they breathe?!?! People who climb Everest need special training for how thin the air is….. guess I’m finally starting to really think and question 🙋♀️
go easy on yourself. Be patient and kind with yourself. Indoctrination is a really tough thing to break free from. The fact that you're willing to ask the hard questions takes a lot of courage and intellectual integrity. Rooting for you!
If the sea level rises then the air pressure rise up on top of it. Noah was literally at sea level. By all means ask critical questions, but follow through with asking yourself if it could be answered.
You last point was brilliant, that the air would be too thin for people to survive...... climbers on Mt Everest need cylinders of Oxygen to survive and that is just for the few hours not the 150 days.
Kristi - you said why don’t we lean on our own understanding ?
Answer - we are mortals with tiny pea brains . This can’t match the mysteries of this vast universe . That’s why .
@@RocketKirchneryes we should just follow the mighty wisdom and knowledge written in the goat herders guide to the galaxy by ignorant people of 2.5 thousand years ago . Yeah that's a great idea 🤦
As a long time atheist now living in the bible belt, I sincerely hope you get through to lots of people! Well done, Kristi!
And hope she stays safe
All religions ,except Christianity, are works based. So you have nothing to lose and everything to gain to believe in Christ.
@@saulespino2510 That's nonsense. Learn how pascals wager is a logical fallacy, an invalid argument, total nonsense.
@@jimbob3030You must be a follower of the atheist A'moRon.
He absolutely loves the word fallacy
@@tonyr.3435 Anyone with a good education and working critical thinking skills can spot a logical fallacy, a failure in logic. You must be someone who doesn't like thinking logically, or doesn't know how.
AronRa is an intelligent logical thinking man with functioning critical thinking skills, it's obvious why people of faith wouldn't like him, they didn't get to believe what they believe by thinking logically and in fact have to toss logic, reason, and rationality right out the window to continue to believe.
However no I don't follow him and rarely if ever watch his video's, It annoys me how patient and kind he is with illogical people.
I prefer people like Matt Dillahunty who don't waste a lot of time with fools and tear apart their nonsense with much more speed and flair.
I really miss the days of Christopher Hitchens though, the world lost someone irreplaceable when he died.
I can't tell you how much I enjoy this series. It's helping so much to keep my mind away from the anxieties that religious trauma has given me. Thank you for this.
You might want to avoid most of the comments. They are filled with believers trying to recapture those who have escaped.
@@mboaz4730enjoy hell.
My ex wife, now deceased, believed in Jesus to the extend she spent all our money on the basis Jesus would not allow her to go broke. She was encouraged to believe this by others. The end result was the house had to be sold and we separated,
Didn't Jesus condemn the Romans for doing the same damn thing? The irony man
They teach that in church. It will come back ten fold. Lies, all lies!
She was deceived, Jesus’ name can be said by anyone.
In islam were taught to always give in charity. There were stories of people who would give up land, the hadith of muhammad claiming the main inhabitants in hell were women and therefore they need to give more in charity than anyone else, as a result women threw their jewelery off, or that if you help build a masjid Allah will build you a house in jannah(heaven). And the best part, "don't get too attached to this world, muhammad said that Allah said that this world isn't significant"
So when you have this as your foundation it's easy for you to give away your rent money to a c
Pillhead like my ex did. 👍 hooray for islam..right😒
@@ashleytheseeker8480 There is an arrogance associated with religion which says "my belief is the true belief". But its just an accident of geography, a child is born to a religion, not inherited.
I had questions growing up in the church (Baptist) and it has taken decades for me to come to grips with reality. Subscribed!
Thanks for subscribing!
I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church and these Old Testament " stories " were taught as being LITERAL. I'm 64 now and REALIZED about 25 years ago that these " stories " are Ancient Hebrew Mythology and weren't intended to be read LITERALLY.
@@jezebelvibes so do you think all the evil people today should be punished? If God is soo evil why did he re-populate the earth,he did it for love,if he didn’t care for us, we wouldn’t exist today
@@alexharvey452 I thought humans repopulated it? With inny and outty bits?
Also, if Eve had obeyed, in Eden, would you, I and Jezebel, even exist, today?
Oh, and why did Satan keep any powers - or any right, to roam here (with no sign Eve, knew a thing about him) also... by the way?
@@alexharvey452 Have you answered the question , "Why did God kill off all the people in the first place?"
Girl I’m currently deconstructing and trying to unpack all the religious trauma that was put on me as a kid not even by my own parents but about the family around me that were allowed to tell me all this crap and I’m glad I found y’all ❤
welcome to the club! our lives are messy and beautiful and we’re trying our best
The problem is that those stories are parables and they are taught as literally for easy understanding, and keep in mind it was translated 500 years ago, do you realize how drastically that changes our interpretation today?
@@jurnaginnot much....the holy texts are 99% accurate compared to the dead sea scrolls....
Sad to hear you’ve strayed from our Lord. :(
@@AgusGA02 hey, I don’t mean to be rude, but that’s a very hateful way to talk to someone going through something hard. it’s okay if you don’t understand, I hope you never lose your faith - because it’s the hardest road some of us have ever walked.
My old pastor lost his daughter at 15 to cancer, and losing his faith was MORE painful. We haven’t strayed, we just have more unanswered questions than not. Please don’t hear this as a hate comment, I mean no harm or hostility
It's so weird that nobody else in the world owned a boat.
it's also weird that noah's family was the only family allowed to survive the flood. so EVERY family on the planet was so evil and wicked they needed to be drowned? doesn't make sense there was only one good family alive at the time.
Yeah. What's up with that.
My indoctrination into the faith started when I was about five. It worked well on me for I didn’t even think of questioning what was presented to me until about 3 years ago-I’m 76 now. But, once I started thinking for myself, I realized that the whole bible is filled with fiction. Noah’s ark was the first story I started really looking into-with lots of help from TH-camrs like you. Thanks for sharing your insights into this story. I look forward to hearing more.
Thanks for sharing! Happy you found a way to think for yourself.
I was raised as a Catholic and even though I never felt 'religious', the story of Noah was still pretty cool. A guy saving all those animals! Then later in life I started going to a Methodist church, and actually read the bible. I was horrified when I read the story of Noah after the flood, when he gets drunk and curses his son for seeing him naked?!! What happened to that nice guy who built the boat and saved all the animals? There are some pretty bizarre stories in the Bible!
You really believed for 60 years and you ask yourself these questions now and your faith disappears.
im 65 and took me in my 30s to finally break the spell
@@wuxin5847 Wow how did you do it
Thank you for bringing up the abusive factor of this story and how it carries down through the church. So spot on 🔥
This is the easiest bible story to take apart with logic. You have done it most entertainingly.
This is where my deconstruction began. I was reading a book about the titanic and with hundreds of workers they removed one ton of 💩 every day. That's where it clicked for me because there were only 8 people on Noah's ark with all those animals!. Do you know how much an elephant 💩? That makes Noah's logistically impossible. They would have died from methane poison
yet people take it absolutely seriously, even building giant replicas of this arc.
it's easy for me to say that it's bonkers, having grown up a secular Christian
@@sarag1158yep , it's embarrassing to mankind that 1,000's of years later we still have people deluded & indoctrinated so deeply that they seriously & emphatically believe the bible's version of this story as historical & scientific fact.
makes me pity humanity that such huge numbers of people still follow this ancient sewage
if you're talking about a magical God who can do ANYTHING, you can pretty much dismiss all logic with ",it was magic"
I have already thought about the bible inconsistencies over 10 years ago.
What I dont understand is why god destroy the world with a flood because of the evil and let's the world become evil again lol wtf
God did not destroy the world. That is a poor reading of the scripture. Most Bible scholars today understand _eretz_ to be land not world, and geology does not indicate a worldwide flood. What he did was destroy a culture in Mesopotamia that was threatening the family through whom God would bring the Messiah. So, God does not need to destroy the world today; the Messiah has come. BUT there is a showdown coming when God will destroy all evil. You might want to be ready.
It did when Noah cursed his son for seeing him naked
Imagine a bird trying to fly all over the earth looking for land and then trying to find that little boat in the middle of endless water. That would be one special bird.
Must have had a GPS.
Blasphemer - Logic is a Sin.
It was a cyborg bird
Some birds including doves have incredible navigation capabilities, but the fact that it's a boat that moves would make it quite hard to find it again.
@johng.7560 well to be fair it could've been a homing pigeon
Probably the best breakdown of the Noah's ark flood I have seen yet. Awesome job Kristi!
wow, thank you so much!
@@jezebelvibes seriously! You are killing it
🙄 smh
The greatest and best thing that ever happened to me is when I officially became an atheist.
How was the universe and all in it made?
@@BellaEntertainmentAtlanta God did it! Lol
@@BellaEntertainmentAtlanta How was god made or how can he be eternal?
Ex-Chrisian who's spiritual. God of the bible did NOT/does NOT exist, PERIOD!
@@sdv73168! It was magic molecules that popped themselves into existence from nothing. 😂
Anyone ever think about the number of infants (human & otherwise) that would've been born during that time... forced into an existence solely to be executed by being drowned by the epitome of "love" because of everything that transpired before they even arrived on the scene?
Ever think that you could have misinterpreted something that you haven't actually read?
@@craigsmith1443 Does it need to be "interpreted"? God drowned everyone on the planet but Noah and his family. The other people who were drowned obviously had kids.
@chrisdague5153 _Christians largely can't even agree on the "correct" interpretation of these stories within their own religion_
As with all other humans, 'Christians' are at different places and levels in their studies and expertise, have different personalities and histories, and have different models of the world, their purpose, and themselves. It takes time to shape these, especially since God does not demand nor tyrannize but invites, draws, leads, and teaches. Of course they are going to have 'different interpretations.' Those interpretations change as they change, as one would expect if one pays attention to human nature.
_Not that interpretation has literally ANYTHING to do with the completely valid point he was raising._
It must have something to do with it. You argued it.
_In cholo gangbanger accent: "Y u so stooooopid, esse?"_
You may imitate whom you wish. You are welcome to set forth your case. Stupid how, exactly? It doesn't seem to be so here.
@chrisdague5153Good comeback to a self righteous "Christian"
@@alaskan6384 What worldview do you think is a more accurate of reality?
I was raised Seventh Day Adventist and this video really helped me I’m slowly distancing myself from religion and this really helped with my deconstruction journey this is the first video of yours I’ve seen but I plan to go back through your channel and watch more of your videos
All her videos are definitely worth watching 🤗
I was raised SDA as well. Yes this is great. She has a lot of excellent videos. Also you might be interested in checking out Mythvision by Derek. He's a former fundamentalist christian. He has some top notch biblical scholars, historians, linguistic professionals on his channel.
@@brentkrohn3786 Oh okay thanks for the recommendation!
I'm really proud of you, welcome to the real world :) I find that it was really helpful to question how you would feel if a person treated you the way god treats people, canonically.
I would highly recommend a channel called theramin trees. Paulogia is also great too. Both were instrumental in me deconstructing my former faith
I remember as a child asking my mom how all the animals were able to eat and stay alive on the ark and she responded "God took care of it." That was a core memory for me that I look back on now as an ex Christian. Even as a kid I knew that story made zero sense.
That's the problem.
*You know it doesn't make sense, but you go along, or believe it because our parents Indoctrinated/Hypnotized/Mesmerized/THREATENED US WITH DEATH into believing it.*
21:32
Nothing will make you an atheist faster than reading the bible
So with all the modern technology in your pocket you couldn’t google about how this could happen? No wonder you are an ex Christian. Looks like you grew up but you still just believe what other people tell you without checking the information :( there are explanations and reconstructions out there at the tips of your fingers…
I think Noah's ark was 300 cubits long and 75 cubits high. There were 3 levels , and probably many baby animals. The primary animals that produced all of the subspecies were allowed on the ark. Kristi is an unbeliever .It wouldn't matter to her if someone proved her wrong.
@brianjones2384 apparently it doesn't matter to you that math, physics, geology, biology, and only like all of science proves the flood impossible
Not to mention, the theological issues with the flood
Gawd I sit here and think, how truly brainwashed I was. To not clearly see how this is all bs. When you break it down like this you realize it was all a scam.
Once you see it you can't unsee it. That's what people don't understand. I couldn't choose to believe this again if I tried
@@undrwatropium3724 yes exactly!! It’s like your eyes are finally open to the truth.
Yes, and I tried to stick on NT but again my eyes opened cuz in NT Noah is mentioned as if he existed😅
I'm 13 right now and relized around 12, glad I did cause it's all bs and dw, I'm one of the most stubborn people you'll meet 😎
@@undrwatropium3724this is true. My social life would be a lot easier if I could just force myself to believe this nonsense, but it's impossible. Once you see how ridiculous it is and how humans routinely create nonsense to deceive each other for personal gain you just can't believe it no matter how much h easier your life would be to do so. You know deep down it's garbage and trying to fake it will destroy you mentally.
A lot like how gay people can't just stop being gay no matter how much better their life would be if they could. Religious people will never understand this, because once you understand this you can no longer be religious.
Hello Kristi, I would just like to express my extreme gratitue to you for not only putting together this video but for your whole channel. It has been about 13 years since I broke up with my faith and believe it or not, I have never actually had a chnace to have a conversation with friends or family on exactly how i got to this point or what led me to this path that allowed me to read the bible without that cloud of lies and maniputlation. Anyway I just want to thank you again and let you know i literally picked my jaw off the floor because i couldnt believe that all the passages and stories you state kicked off your deconstruction were the same passages that I began questioning at the very beginning of me dismantling my christianity. Sorry for such a long message. Keep up the awesome content.
My Christian family & friends don’t ask me why or how I transitioned to agnosticism. They don’t care. They know I’m not a Christian & they’re not happy about it, and that’s it.
@@cryco472 They don't care except for what made you do it, so they can avoid losing more family members that way. Christians in the USA figured out that public schools were teaching logic and critical thinking skills and the dissonance was severing the relationship between the young adults and the Church. That is why NOW they want private school vouchers because they don't want anyone teaching their children how to think.
I had a LOT of problems with the Noah’s Ark story as a young child. You touch on many, many of the issues I had. It is really nice to know others had the same issues.
If you think Noah's ark presents problems for you, consider the existence of the universe...yet most have no problem believing in some type of formation of it....making the Noah's ark story way less problematic, yet this confuses you...really.
@@markscheepers9908 you must have missed the “as a young child” part of my statement. Ya, even at 7 yrs-old, I knew enough about the planet at large to know that if you wanted to fit 2 of EVERY animal on the planet in 1 boat, they were gonna need a bigger boat (nod to Chief Brody).
I promise you, at the age of 50+, that fable has left my mind many, many years ago.
@@72carguy Your argument is based on assumptions. Unless Scripture clearly list all of the animals that went into it and their numbers clearly show this was impossible, then you would be correct but your assumptions are false since we don't have that info. The Bible does not describe every animal that lived in the time of Noah and you have kept to false assumption that the animals alive today are similar in number to those exact animals that were saved...where does it say this in Scripture?.
These are similar to assumptions that God destroyed millions, since Scripture provides no clue how many people existed then. Yet most people assume millions...but there is no proof for this. Scripture states, Noah spoke to these people, but clearly Noah never travelled the world speaking to every man about this so the assumption that many millions exited on many continents are possibly wrong...so who did Noah really speak to, how many were given the warnings, since Scripture says Noah warned the people?
Were the continents even as they are today, we don't know...but we can't assume they were because of what we see today. Science gives us these elaborate history of the earth, millions of years for continental drift yet God is clear he made the first man all grown-up, maybe the earth also looked a lot different back then and rearranged by God in the flood, we just don't know but these can all be possibly. Science says billions of years, yet Scripture is clear it was in a lot less time than that, since God could create the first man all grown-up why is it impossible he made the earth all grown-up too instead of the billions of years as claimed by man?
You mentioned fables, yet science uses a fable by claiming the universe came from nothing and many believe this rubbish (how do these differ from kids magical stories, where something comes from nothing?). Our science is based on so much fables, assumptions without explanations yet you consider Noah's ark a fable even though it differs from science by providing details something science on occasions lacks...yet I'm sure you are more inclined to believe man's fables.
@@72carguyread the Bible.
@@GarfieldDonatello89Sounds like they did. And noticed the problematic absence of logic and the multiple contradictions.
Few technical points, the biggest wooden ship ever built was the USS Wyoming (smaller than the ARK) it took hundreds of the best talented and experience ship builders with the best tools and material of it's time. This ship structural integrity was not able to keep the water out, it twisted in every way and leak like crazy. So much water leak in a crew of a 14 ship technician 24/7 needed to plug in the holes. Eventually it sank when it meet moderate to rough seas. There is a maximum size you can built a wooden ship before encountering major issues. The ark which was bigger would encounter the same issue but on a larger scale. If for forty days and nights the water rose up above the highest mountain ( Mount Everest 29, 000 feet) so this means that the water level rose up 1.9 feet per minute. This would have created big but very big kick ass waves and all the debris floating hitting and ramming the ARK like projectiles. Impossible the ARK would have made it , life expectancy for the ARK at very best 2 to 3 weeks (being very optimist here). And if it rain for forty days well due to the lack of sunlight the global temperature would have plummet below freezing point . No rain there but snow. What a ridiculous story from the Bible. Even when I was a Christian I never believe this story.
Plus if they were above the highest mountain there is not enough oxygen at that altitude to survive.
plus there was no propulsion, sails, no rudder, what they hell was supposed to happen when Noah spotted dry land? they'd just be drifting around for god knows.
It's an appealing story for bronze age people who had no idea about reality. Modern people have no excuses.
The only ark that's big enough to fit all the animals on earth is the earth itself. I always thought it was the most patently absurd fable in the Bible. But then again that book is filled with some real whoppers.
Thanks for logic points!
Seems it’s mostly evangelicals who are taught that all of the Bible is literally true. As a Catholic I was told Noah’s flood was a legend based on a local flood and I heard from other Catholics who had the same experience. I was honestly surprised when I learned of Bible literalists and creationists.
i think its a great dynamic showing the verses while commenting them in such clear and honest way, love it.
Thanks so much for the support!
“He could have just NOT created people in the first place and then he would’ve never had this problem” 🤣🤣🤣 I’m wheezing
Yeah, sounds like a simple enough solution he could've come up with himself, but I guess then he couldn't have had anyone worship his vain ego, because, you know, that's the most important purpose of having humankind in the first place 😅
🤣I’ve always wondered that since i was a freakin kid. What way to seem more arrogant and starved for adoration and worship than to create a whole intelligent species to consciously do it for him/her. Could have done it in a nicer way. Or at least interact with us lol @@uNiels_Heart
@@uNiels_Heart Maybe a mirror would have been simpler.
That's one of the first things I thought of before I deconstructed. If God sends my loved ones to hell, then I don't want no part of "Heaven", because it wouldn't be without them. Your the first person I've heard other than myself speak about that. ❤
Yeah, I don’t want heaven if my love ones can’t go. I thought I was the only one feeling that way.
That's because God 'sends' no one to hell. The only people there are the people who insist on going.
@@craigsmith1443 Yeah right! I really don’t think he’ll exists as people think. Hell is actually on earth I believe. It’s amazing what we were taught to believe from a young age many of us. We were taught to blindly follow and never question.
@@lancegolden8190 _I really don’t think he’ll exists as people think_
_Hell is actually on earth I believe_
So your belief is better than other people's belief?
@@Robert-55 _Of all of the things that fundies say, that has got to be one of the stupidest yet_
Because?
Much appreciated. God's never sold in this story like a spoiled brat capsizing a checker board after losing, but that's sort of what he is.
And in quite a few Bible stories, too.
16:25 A lot of non-saltwater animals would have died in a world wide flood because of the mixing of salt water and non-salt water. Noah would most definitely need to fit at least one very large aquarium on the Ark.
great point!
He would have needed another Ark just for the 2 whales!! Lol.
Facts 😂. He also would’ve gotten ate by them all as well because there’s no way I would put myself in the company around wild animals like they’re humans.
@@BuzzRain
Exactly these stories are not scientifically realistic. Same as the Jonah & the fish story when the fish swallows him.
@@Fourwindsofsuccess I respect you guys's beliefs in the comment section. That being said you're comment on "not scientifically realistic" how are you going to apply science as it pertains to our limited human understanding versus a matter that only God is capable of . Like I said it's your choice to believe or not but to come in and use your limited human understanding of science which also was taught to you by scholars who they themselves don't have a full grasp of the way things work in this world.
Here is a bible verse for you and everyone passing by in the comment section. Isaiah 55 verse 8-9: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
I'm not trying to judge so don't take it as such.
"God’s infinite thoughts are far greater than our limited ability to comprehend them". www.gotquestions.org/
I’m Christian Catholic, but when I read this story for the first time, I was so enraged by Gods actions that my blood began to boil and I haven’t picked up the Bible since. I’ve got folks who are listening to the Bible in a Year a podcast from a Catholic priest named Father Mike Smit or something like that; and they’re still following God even with these horrific stories in mind. Excellent discussion
Wow. When I was a catholic I've never known a Catholic to actually read the Bible on their own. Maybe times have changed. This was 3 decades ago.
That is true how do you actually take yourself out of this religion ? Do we just have to let go of this faith convert into other one I am really struggling rn because I have seen horrible things happened to me
I love how she’s so analytical and encouraging to think critically!
Well normally it's because you have never met him or seen him, that is why a lot of people come out and say am nolonger a Christian and many see Christianity as religion that is why it's difficult to have answers to the questions being asked, in the end, they just end up with nothing. To some of us Christianity isn't a religion and so we don't practice it.
Let's assume that God isn't just and isn't perfect. So he creates something flawed and everything else u have mentioned here: "Romans 9, who are you oh man to talk back to God, does what was formed say to the one who formed it, why did you make me like this?"
That alone knowing you're powerless should put you in a position of fear, as the same Bible says it's horrible to fall in the hands of the Creator.
However You should know that
1. Spirits CAN'T forgive, that is why the devil can't ask forgiveness.
2. According to Spirits once you sin you MUST DIE. Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death.
3. Crucifixion Jesus dying simply means, I choose not to Kill you but I'll Kill Jesus instead because once you sin the only punishment fit for you is death. To others as you're saying that's horrifying, but to me, that's very much understandable and that's justice, the reason u may feel otherwise is simple, you're a carnal being, your spirit is dead, and you're an emotional being, you have never seen anything spiritual or him at all. But as it is well known a man with results is not at the mercy of a man with a mere argument.
Anything that is explained with carnality, with the mind without any spiritual evidence is insignificant. You have not seen anything spiritual and so what is the result? "Oh I think this doesn't make sense," well yeah because God doesn't live in the sense realm like you.
You're an emotional being so your judgement is based upon that
@@kelvinyoung404 Your profile picture is a black man, is that real? You only believe the book that was used to justify your ancestors slavery because it was forced upon them, they had no choice.
You have a choice, you don't have to willingly be indoctrinated and mind controlled, you don't have to adopt a servant mentality and take on the role of a servant to a sky daddy master.
Throughout my 50 years on earth, I went from sort of religious to REEEEALLY religious to now being an atheist. I knew the flood story was ridiculous but there were things in this video I hadn't thought about (e.g. what do they eat after the flood?). Great video, as usual!
I grew up in an almost amish lifestyle, We were quite busy everyday in the tending to our animals on the farm, horses cows pigs sheep goats chickens and rabbits.
It was a lot of labor everyday for us.
I can’t imagine how Noah and his family could have possibly managed such a task of tending to all the animals that were stated to be on the ark.
It’s just not possible, end of story!
8 people would indeed keep busy full time, but your experience and opinion don't end the story. It's just little you, little Kristi or little Richard Dawkins against your creator. That can't and won't end well.
@@mpmattson
The lack of proof the story is even possible ends the story. How do you figure it out, starting from square one?
If a deity exists I want to know, not trust someone else's guess. If knowing is not possible I'd rather honestly not have a correct answer but worked at it than deludedly believe a wrong answer without trying.
@@hayuseen6683 I understand skepticism, believe me. I'll post a link to 2014 sub-surface resistivity scans of a large ancient boat in the mountains of Ararat. There is a lot of evidence above ground but the 3d scans to 38 meters below the surface are the most convincing.
@@mpmattson
“Videos recently uploaded in December 2022 on TikTok have gone viral, claiming that Noah's Ark has been found on Mount Ararat in Turkey. According to the video, skeptics have disproven the existence of Noah's Ark because a boat of that size would have left traces, but none have been found. However, claims that the remains of Noah's Ark have recently been discovered on Mount Ararat have given credence to this belief. The video claims that archaeologists have found that the measurements of the boat-like structure reach a length of 300 cubits, or 515 feet, the same length as the Ark that God instructed Noah to build according to Genesis 6:15. This is seen as proof that the real Ark from the Great Flood has been found.
In Fact
However, the claim is false and shows the Durupinar site, a place commonly associated with the location of Noah's Ark. Dr. Dan McClellan, a doctor of theology and religion, fact-checked the claims of a similar video uploaded to TikTok at the end of October, which accumulated over 3.7 million views. According to McClellan, the boat-like structure is not the remnants of petrified wood from Noah's ark but a geological stone structure commonly found in the area. Addressing the measurements of the site, Dr. McClellan also explains variations in the use of cubits as a measurement in the Bible. As there were no standardized measurements at the time, it is unknown what kind of cubit was in mind for the story. A cubit in the Bible varies in size from 17 to 20 inches.
The claim has been further scrutinized by Lorence G. Collins, Professor Emeritus in Geology at California State University Northridge, in an article from 2016. In the article, Collins debunks the research done by Ron Wyatt, David Fasold, John Baumgardner, and Salih Bayraktutan during the 1970s and 1980s. Collins concluded that the boat-like structure was formed by the erosion of the bedrock by landslide debris. According to Collins, the pieces of stone interpreted to be petrified wood were basalt rock, probably transported by mudflows during floods.
Claims of the discovery of Noah's Ark are old, and there have been many attempts to find it throughout the 20th-21st century, and have been a common topic within biblical archaeology. Examples include Russian pilot Lieutenant Roskovitsky in 1916 during a flight over mount Ararat, astronaut James Erwin, and George Jammal, featured in the CBS documentary "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark" in 1993. The most recent project, the Turkish-American Noah's Ark Scans, began in 2021. This expedition used ground-penetrating radar (GPR), Electrical Resistivity Tomography (ERT) scans, core drilling, and excavations to analyze the location.
The claim has been spread in both Swedish and English, and the videos uploaded in December all share the same structure and claims, showing an interesting case of plagiarism and the reproduction of false claims.
The Verdict
Geological evidence proves that the Durupinar site in Turkey is a natural rock formation and is not the petrified wooden remains of Noah's Ark. Therefore, we have marked this claim as false.”
@@mpmattson And man made God in his own image and likeness.
The Biblical God isn't the creator, he's far too human to have done that.
Awesome critical thinking; I really appreciate your break down of the world's best selling BOOK. I must admit that as I listened to you break it down in a great common sense approach, makes me so excited to know that I am not alone! Please keep up the great work ..PEACE 😊
_makes me so excited to know that I am not alone!_
A quarter of a million Nazis at the 1938 Nuremberg rally were not alone, either. Not being alone means nothing but the _Argumentum ad Populum_ fallacy.
It's precisely midnight here in Australia 🇦🇺. I'm very tired 😴, but will do my utmost to stay awake for the next 45 minutes ...
I made it to the end. It was well worth it. 👌
I have often wondered about the insects. When it comes to critters that live in large hives, like bees and ants, I think you need more than one male and one female. I don't think they survive as individuals, they need the large group. Also: what about the fish? There are freshwater fish and saltwater fish, and if you put them in the wrong habitat, they will die. Many fish also need very specific temperatures to survive. If the entire Earth was covered with one single body of water, I think all the fish would have died.
Absolutely
Not to mention the amount of pressure that much water would cause would crush them all to death
For ANY species to survive, you need several hundred healthy breeding pairs. If all you have is a single female and a single male, that species is doomed to extinction. Right, Adam and Eve?
The Bible doesn't describe a world wide flood, only refers to it as "the land".
@@protochris Genesis 7: "19And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. 21And all flesh died that moved on [c]the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22All in whose nostrils was the breath [d]of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive." (NKJV) Sure sounds like the text is referring to the whole world. And that's exactly what billions of Christians have understood it to mean.
It's long bothered me that the all powerful creator of the universe is never responsible for anything.
It's going to bother you a lot more when your in hell.
I started life as a Jehovah's Witness, and from the moment i began asking questions i knew Christianity and religion as a whole by extension, was a pile of manure, particularly the Flood story and the very questions you point out- Regret? from an Omniscient Being?? - why does he keep on making mistakes when he knows what is going on? - a Plan? - as you say - this is in fact Evil, never taking responsibility for bad decisions or never actually taking those decisions in the first place(?). At the age of 5 I had decided that it must be nonsense. Luckily for my world view ( I guess) , Neil Armstrong was landing on the Moon, and I had a great interest in science and astronomy, so i maybe had a quick pass out of the madness because i was asking questions and thoroughly dis-satisfied with the answers provided by the 'in the know'. LOVE what you do - keep it up.
_Luckily for my world view ( I guess) , Neil Armstrong was landing on the Moon, and I had a great interest in science and astronomy,_
Buzz Aldrin, his right-seater, had communion on the Moon. Borman, Lovell, and Anders read from Genesis while in lunar orbit. John Polkinghorne, theoretical physicist, became an Anglican priest. Stanley Jaki, physicist, was a Jesuit priest. Peter Catt, evolutionary microbiologist, is an Anglican priest. Alister McGrath, who teaches at Oxford, has three doctorates: molecular biophysics, theology, and intellectual history.
I would guess that you have not asked as many 'questions' as you put it as they have. I would suggest that you haven't asked enough.
I have heard a thousand times people tearing apart Noah's story but there is always new nuances and new perspectives I didn't see before.
Isn't it amazing on just how many levels this story completely fails? Aron Ra made a few videos years ago to debunk it from every angle possible. Genealogy, geology, archeology, history etc.
Have you watched NonStampCollector’s “Noah’s Ark” - it hilariously exposes the lunacy of the story.
@@maggiebarrett7300 "nonstampcollector"
Yes it is great
@@maggiebarrett7300another great creator ❤
Hi Kristi! I really hope you see this comment. I am so thankful for what you're doing here and on your TikTok. I've watched your tiktoks for the past like eight months and you were one of the first people on the internet who I saw talking about deconstruction. It's crazy, but just a year ago I didn't even know what deconstruction was and I didn't even think that I might have religious trauma - I probably didn't even think that it is so common among people who were raised in Church. I was raised in Church, my parents are both evangelicals, my uncle is a pastor and most of the people I've known from childhood are evangelicals (or were them). I was struggling with my sexuality for many years before, I tried my best to deny that I am a lesbian and being in a church was number 1 reason of why it was so tough to accept it, and even apart from that, christian beliefs hurt me so much and now I see it even clearer. And for a lot of time I had no idea what to do with my life, but at one point I started asking questions and I didn't even know what it was, but it was the start of my deconstruction.
Then I found you and other deconstruction accounts on TikTok and I felt so relieved that I am not the only one who was going through all of this. And I saw you being so comfortable talking about it, and it didn't seem like your life was meaningless, like all of the people in my life were painting ex evangelicals and atheists. And it gave me so much hope. I am so thankful for that.
Now months later I am not only not guilty about walking away and not believing, I also feel like questioning these beliefs is what I should do. I feel anger inside of me for the fact that I wasted my girlhood on this and I have almost noone to talk to about it so watching these really long TH-cam videos really helps. I don't feel like I am crazy, overthinking or overly obsessed, when I see that there are many people who find these things important to question too. I really believe that you are doing a good things posting this content and providing safe space for people with religious trauma. I appreciate myself for doing all the trauma processing but I also really appreciate exchristians creators for your effort, because I have no idea where I would've been now without you. Thank you so much ❤❤❤
Stay strong my friend. Peace and blessings to you 💟
@@undrwatropium3724 wait, blessings in a christian way or not?😂 Anyway, thank you, I appreciate it ❤️
I can relate so much to your story. I'm sorry for what you've been through but so proud of you for finding your own authentic path. I love that you said "I appreciate myself for doing all the trauma processing" because it can feel so uncomfortable to have self pride and self love. I think you're doing great
I spit out my drink laughing while I was watching a video of Aron Ra explaining that since Noah's Ark only had one window, the 8 people on it would have almost immediately died from methane gas poisoning from the animals farting and pooping!
I had a science teacher in Grade 9 who outlined the rules clearly before we performed an experiment. If anyone in the class disobeyed the rules (like opening a vial that wasn't supposed to be opened), the student says sorry, my teacher always said, "You shouldn't be doing anything to be sorry for." Boom. I remember that now 30 years later.
I remember being in church on Easter Sunday with my parents. I was about nine years old, and I just couldn't understand how all these grown-ups believed this stuff! Even at that age, I found the story to be completely ridiculous!
Thanks for the video!
You were wise beyond your years!! 🙂
I always preferred Bill Cosby's version.
And you still think like a nine-year-old? Not sure I'd tell everyone about that.
@@craigsmith1443bro what part of that comment led you to that conclusion 😭
@@mainaime2566 The OP said, _I was about nine years old, and I just couldn't understand how all these grown-ups believed this stuff! Even at that age, I found the story to be completely ridiculous!_
Let me guess. The Creationists are not going to love your remarks about how this story is a story about an abusive relationship. Especially those who themselves are the abusers in an abusive relationship.
That was part of the reason i never got into the religion. My family was full of love and i instantly picked up that god's actions were anything but loving. I saw it as physical and verbal abuse, gaslighting, torture, and not a single moment of love.
For example, we've put down animals on our farm. I know what it's like to love something and have to watch it die. But i also know that i, a lowly human without god powers, would still prefer to *not* cause undue suffering. Imagine your horse breaks a leg and needs to be put down and you choose to skin it alive instead of having a vet put it down. Just imagine having the power to snap your fingers and end their suffering, but instead you drown them with their final moments being of pain and fear.
They are really going to hate the breakdown of Jesus then. Turn the other cheek, forgive your oppressors, we're worthless in need of a savior, etc...Jesus is all about priming us to accept the abusive position in an abusive relationship.
i feel like i'm watching god be scolded by his mum. it's very cathartic ❤
LOL!
_i feel like i'm watching god be scolded by his mum. it's very cathartic_
Just goes to show that you can't trust your feelings. Mum doesn't scold you for something you don't do. If she does, you know she's wrong. Meanwhile, this isn't Mum, it's an ex.
I am an Internet Marketing person. One of the key truths I have painfully learned is 'stick to what works and avoid the latest and greatest'. Since 2016, I have watched several thousand vids. My instincts tell me what and how you are doing this is changing lives for the better. Using this basic format without bells and whistles works with the audience. I have subscribed to channels with less than 1000 subs and seen them eventually reach 6-7 subs. Just continue to grind them out as led by and if there are any spirits out there who are in charge...ha.
Thank you Kristi for your thoughtful and well reasoned content. I was trapped in the mental prison of religion for 30 years before escaping 13 years ago. Life is so much better when you finally become free and can think for yourself.
And now you trapped into the mental prison of sin I guess
@@andrewyo3374 prove “sin” exists.
@@andrewyo3374 doesn't christianity say we're all inherently trapped in sin from birth? and that the only way to not be punished by the guy that allegedly loves us all is to plead for forgiveness for our whole lives? no thanks
@@gwit4051 we are. I think you just never studied the subject deeply. If you pick the simple obvious moral standards like 10 commandments and try to follow them as a law you will find very quickly that you are a criminal. So if you choice is to just ignore that sting no thanks that shows that you are not only a sinner as we all are but also a lover of the sin
@@jgibson5041 what do you mean prove? You think that evil doesn’t exist?
Fellow atheist here, I really enjoy how well you articulate and simplify these complex questions!
It's people like Kristi and AronRa that are truly saving the world.
i want her and matt dilahunty to be on the same screen lol
Jessica..there were n are many more.. Bertrand Russell,Carl Sagan, Hitchens, George Carlin before this..n now Dillahunty,Seth Andrews,the many hosts of The Atheist Experience,Talk Heathen, Truth Wanted,SE hosts..etc
@shookreeseeree4 Don't forget Sam Harris! His deconstruction of religion is on another level especially when he takes on Cristian apologists like Jordan Peterson.
@@shookreeseeree4Don't forget Theo Skeptomai. He's the most handsome of the bunch!😊
Let’s not forget about Matt Dilahaunty as well!
God had a whole Snickers moment after that burnt offering lol. “You’re not you when you’re hungry”
When I heard the Noah's Ark story the entire time I was thinking 2 things: Wouldn't the carnivorous animals eat everyone? Also how did they clean up all the urine and sh*t?
Yes! Can you imagine how it smelled in there? And what about the fish? Did all of them also die except for two of each species in the Ark? Did the ark contain some seriously big aquariums for them? And if all the fish were just left alone in all that extra water, why? And why did this "God" dude create a world that became so corrupt that it needed a do-over? And is this present world that has supposedly descended from Noah and his kin better than God's first try?
Two of just every kind of *insect* on Earth wouldn’t even fit into a structure the size of Noah’s Ark even if you’re as generous as possible w/ it’s stated dimensions. Btw that goes for rodents, reptiles and fish too not to mention larger mammals. The story is bs from the top down written by people who thought that the few animals they saw in their region were the only kinds of animals in the world
If you've never seen nonstampcollectors video about Noah's Ark you're in for a treat.
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Do you think it's unreasonable for a young person to wonder how the carnivorous animals did not eat everything on the ark when hearing about this story for the first time? That is 100% logical thinking.
On the other hand, you are just saying, "It was a miracle."
If all that was required is miracles then the flood and the necessity of an ark being built to save animals becomes moot.
Genesis 6:21 "You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them." You can't seriously be shouting "Read the bible," when it makes absolutely no mention of your claims.
@@a.g.m8790 The story is a joke but I can understand the writers of the story. They lived in an arid land with a low biodiversity, near the Mediterranean sea where they knew about the abundant life in the sea and concluded 'we can not put all these animals on the boat' so they let the fish and crabs alone. And rainforests and oceans were probably already known about, but they were not explored yet.
..came the day I realized that I was kinder than "god" is when the whole paradigm started falling apart.
The main reason people can still believe this story is literal is if they have been indoctrinated from early childhood that this story is literally true and as you said Kristi, are taught that it is apostacy for anyone to question the veracity and reasonableness of the tale. Under this scenario their minds are trapped and breaking free of this prison often involves great personal loss in terms of family, friends and community...
@RobKoch1962 its the same way about liberal good/bad too
why do atheists oppress me from doing cocaine? Im not harming anyone, i dont need to consent anyone, Its my freedom, my body, my choice, my liberation!!!
It, the bible and the koran, the 2 major apposing faiths are made up! They are used to control the masses, still today people do not think rationally. RELIGION HAS INDOCTRINATED THEIR MINDS FOR DAILY LIVING. EXCEPT THEY DON'T FOLLOW WHAT THEY "BELIEVE" SO THEY CONFESS TO A PRIEST OR KNEEL ON A PRAYER RUG DAILY X TO PRAY OR CONFESS OR ASK FOR FORGIVNESS. Religions are the worst way of CONTROLING the people. I hate all religions; I feel every person has a spiritual connection and does not need these money grubbers and guilt makers to have faith.
INDOCTRINATED. Believe or ELSE!
You make more sense than most bible scholars, and pastors. Just a gal on TH-cam with common sense. Love your channel.
The spiritual discerned ? They all have their own interpretation of the story book they all claim to have the truth and they never agree with one another. So who’s more foolish than that?
@@vadouis-rt3of and you are not it
@@vadouis-rt3of LOL the only irrelevant thing here is your understanding of what is evidence and what refutes mean. You have provided neither evidence nor refuted anyone else's criticism of the Noah's Ark story. You have yet to refuted my three point criticism and have only responded with bible verse which proved my points.
Also your understanding of the bible is so limited that you can't even reference the right verse when you tried to talk about engaging with a "fool" folly. Hint it isn't Proverbs 24 it is Proverbs 26... but the verse you quoted did relate to the lack of intelligence on your end. Also if you read 1 verse further then the verse you quoted, you would have realized it isn't what you think it is as well. It is a good idea to understand the full context of what you are quoting if you are trying to make a point.
One other thing is you lack so much understanding of your book that you don't even follow First Peter in doing your apologetics with gentleness and respect... something you lack a whole lot based on the response you have been giving.
On my next response to you I will address it one point at a time and show you how little you actually understand about your own book and the logical inconsistency it displays. I'll give you the three points again below just to let you prepared... even though I have already did it in the past with only crickets from you.
Point 1: The folly and evil of human being was a problem of God's own creation.
Point 2: Logical fallacy between the concept of regret vs an omnipotent/omniscient being.
Point 2: The act of near total genocide via a global flood was so horrendous and pointless that God admitted that he made a mistake as well regretting that he ordained a global flood.
@@vadouis-rt3of LOL you are dumber than I thought you were. Context clues, there are three points so if I type point 2 twice it is an obvious typo and it should have been Point 3.
Negative, you have not provided archeological findings because there are non. Your archeological finding is a blog post by a non-archeologist with zero published work... no person with actual intellectual honesty in them will ever consider that an archeological finding because it isn't. Your "finding" contradicts the fact that humans maintain records throughout the time period the global flood supposedly should have occurred. The fact that the geological column and fossil record completely dismantles the story of the flood is more than enough to refute your unfounded claims. The fact that it is physically impossible to have only 8 people caring for over 30,000 pairs of animal, in some cases pare of 7s, over a year dismantles the story. The fact that even with modern technology, it is almost impossible to properly ventilate such an environment under such condition. Based on the size of the Ark Provided in the bible, it barely had enough space to fit all the species of animal, the 35,000 you stated earlier (a gross underestimate of how many species of animals actually existed) let alone store the necessary food and water to last a whole year dismantles the story of the ark. The fact that fishes still exist now when all would have died out because of the mixing of salt and fresh water would have killed both types of fishes especially if they have to survived under such environment for a whole year.
So yes, your "archeological finding" has been refuted a thousand times over. now how about you address the actual point instead of pointing out 1 irrelevant typo.
Correction: The bible scholars, preachers, and pastors knew that these ridiculous stories have been a lie from day one.
But seeing that the vast majority of folks were duped by them, they continue to carry the lie to make them filthy rich.
All this when he could have just left Adam & Eve alone.... LOL!
He could have just remade all the animals after the flood too 😂 or just snapped his fingers like thanos and unmake all the evil people, so many better options for an all knowing all powerful god
I always start this conversation with " So, you believe that Noah was the only guy with a boat?".
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Ah, but God put a big hole in everyone else's boat. Oh, that's silly. I got it! Gopher wood of the ark was like the adamantium of wood. It could survive the flood! No? Oh yeah, the ocean and seas were much smaller back then! The oceans waters now are from the flood! Any excuse to be made to justify the silly story which must be literal for YEC.
Good point. The all-knowing god has overlooked this fact. Sure there were already some other boats with people on it, doing their daily jobs as fishermen and merchants. Fishermen can survive with their equipment and the fresh water from the pouring rain. Merchant ships too, depending on what they have on board.
The only boat capable of the job
@@GarlicBreadBob How? Not all boats can survive all conditions. The ark would have been the only boat capable
That's funny. When dropping off my grandchildren at their Baptist youth group, I would say stuff like, "for god so loved the world he drowned everyone in it and the animals too, and all we got was a lousy rainbow."
They didn't like it, so I refrained when their friends were with us.
Bwahahaha
I just love you for that. I'll be the same way
I think I'll put that on a T-shirt.
Legend
So, per "answers in Genesis", Noah traveled to where the animals were. Did he go to Australia to grab some kangaroo's, wombats, Koala's and platypus (only found in that continent, or in the case of the platypus, Argentina), unique birds, reptiles and it goes on? When he got there, how did he get those animals back to the middle east, presumably where his family were sawing away. As to the vessel, has anyone ever calculated the board feet of wood needed for such a vessel, how many tree's, how long to cut down and dress the timber using primitive tools. I always remember once at church some pastor commented that Noah's ark must be real because Jesus is said to have mentioned it in Matthew 24: 37-39, so that made it real and stifled any discussion of the impossibilities. The sad thing is, that church is still pushing the Noah's ark story to the children, not the only of the congregation who take it in without questions.
The Noah's Arc story is in the Koran too and just as ridiculous.Noah was instructed to plant the trees (saplings)for the wood needed for the arc at age 80.
Yeah I can see why noah was 600 years old by the time he rounded up all those critters. Grizzly bears, crocodiles, pythons...a regular Steve Irwin. Rhinoceros must have been a real bitch.
There was a single continent called pangia
Actually it is called Pangea...existed during the age of dinosaurs and slowly broke apart into the continents we know today. If the flood occured over a , more recent, Pangea are you saying Australian mammals were distributed over the whole of Pangea, as Australia was located at the far south eastern area of Pangea, the furthest distance from where the ark was purported to be built. That's a long way for a Playtpus to walk. At the end of the flood was Pangea still in extent, or were the continents separated? How then, if separated, did the Platypus swim through the oceans to their current habitats in, fresh water, rivers? Where is Pangea mentioned in the bible? @@JohnDelong-qm9iv
This young lady is a candle in the dark. She sees so clearly and her clarity of thought is a rare trait in many people these days. She deserves every support that can be given to her. At age 76 she has my admiration as I, an ex-Christian, share her views and her understanding of this mythology that has such a bad track record.
Sounds like you made the wrong choice grandma
You got that right. We can learn a lot from mythology. Mostly what I learn is that God is like a psycho ex-girlfriend. Cross her and she will punish you in ways you haven't begun to imagine for mostly no reason.
@@RedVelvetBlackleather Sounds like you're ready for war, pacemaker.
@@222ableVelo you are projecting your darkness onto her...
@@222ableVelo What are you talking about? Nothing she said was wrong!!
Right before the 30 min mark, she talked about women clutching their babies as the waters rose. As a child, I had an illustrated CHILDREN'S Bible that had that image in it. By the time I got to the story of -Lot- Job* (I meant Job, not Lot. Though Lot's story is arguably way worse, Job's story is just the one I learned first) I was done. Little, maybe 7 years old, me was terrified that God was going to smite me or let Satan get me, but I knew then that there was no way I could follow a God that would do those things. I knew also that you couldn't lie to God, so pretending wouldn't work anyway. I later went on to read the full version of the Bible, and have read quite a bit from various translations, mostly as a way to defend myself from very aggressive believers that were in my life at the time, but also just for my own knowledge. I can't claim to be against something if I'm not as knowledgeable as possible about it. I've also explored quite a few other denominations of Christianity and found them wanting.
I obvs now don't believe that the God of the Bible exists, or at least not the way he is portrayed there, but if he does, my previously stated stance still stands. If that means eternal damnation (which I find unlikely, but still), I've made my peace with that. (Though the denomination I was raised in didn't believe in hell, but either way, it doesn't change things.)
In case anyone is wondering, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. If you would like to see the children's Bible I was talking about, it's "My Book of Bible Stories." You can view it online at www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-stories/ and can download it if you want to from there as well. If you want to see the specific image I mentioned earlier, you can see it here: www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-stories/1/the-great-flood/
*Edit: My brain is melting. I totally meant Job, not Lot, but that was disgusting as well. That he was seen as this righteous man, and that it was a good thing he would toss his daughters out to the crowd....yeah, must have been a pretty bad place if he was the best man there. Smh.
2370 BCE, the JW date for Noah's flood, is not that long ago. The Egyptian Pyramids, Stonehenge and Newgrange all date from around that time. So they would either have had to survive the flood or be constructed by the tiny human population after the flood. Both our north and south poles are covered by ice wherein ice cores have been extract down to 2370 BCE and much earlier. And lets not forget ice floats! In the end, even though it greatly disturb me, I had to admit our JW views could not withstand an honest examination of available evidence. Then there is My Book of Bible Stories. What would we think of a person drowning a mother and child? Let's say someone we could us "inherited sin" to excuse this, maybe even concluding the fault stays with the mother for not paying heed to Noah's preaching. But what of puppies and kittens? Again, what sort of super being worthy of worship drowns such innocent animals? Kind regards, -Randy
I had that book, it's what I pictured when she said it. I was not raised a JW but my aunts were JWs so I had a lot of the kids bible stuff from them
Hi, same here a jw but luckily woke up 2019. My jw family and friends still believes this ridiculous stories, My book of Bible Stories😂.I’m glad now I can think critically about the Source too. I am surprised why did I ever felt okay a God said to be Love is allowed to do killings, drowning, smelling animals burnt offerings, and yes, that Lot story! A disgusting father ever and will tell us, his righteous even on NT too😮unbelievable! Thanks for all critical comments😊
@lh1673 My brain is melting, lol. I totally meant Job, not Lot. Though Lot's story is arguably way worse, Job's story is just the one I learned first. But yeah, Lot's story was absolutely disgusting as well. That he was seen as this righteous man, and that it was a good thing he would toss his daughters out to the crowd....yeah, must have been a pretty bad place indeed if he was the best man there. Smh.
I love your channel. I was in a Pentecostal church for 15 years. I would have loved to have a resource like your channel back when I was deconstructing. One book that helped me was Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman. I rejoice knowing that people now have access to this information and support to guide them along their journey. Thank you for taking the time to make honest and informative content.
I've read misquoting jesus several times. It's one of my favorites!
A few things to remember about the flood myth:
1) A boat of that size would not be able to support its own weight, wouldn’t be sea worthy, and would easily be damaged by the constant rain. (Ken Ham’s replica ark/ building is currently not doing so well and is ironically suing for rain damage.)
2)”Kind” and “sort” are not biological terms and have no value in classifying animals.
3) Even if everyone somehow survived this genocidal event by a loving god, how on earth would the animals repopulate with only 2 members?
Everything would have easily died and gone extinct from genetic bottlenecking due to a lack of diverse members in a species.
4) Why didn’t this god just snap his fingers and peacefully made the bad people vanish?
Even Thanos was more merciful.
@@mikeymik2 Wrong. Ken’s boat has indeed suffered water damage. Large boats today are not made entirely of wood and tar. You haven’t demonstrated that your god existed to begin with.
Your god was just as ignorant at classifying animals as the people who lived during biblical times.
China and Egypt were undergoing a new dynasty during this supposed flood. Are you implying they held their breath the entire time this supposed flood occurred?
You haven’t addressed the problem of attempting to repopulate the planet with only 2 members and no genetic diversity.
The Noah’s ark story is stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh and is debunked by every branch of science and history.
I have a master's degree in biblical studies, and it was in a PhD program in New Testament I finally realized the solution to all the Bible's problems is that it was all human. But there is no way I could communicate that insight even half as well as you do. You've got a mind and perspective a lot of people will be able to connect with. May your good seed grow and take root. May it be like a mustard seed that grows into a tree under which many find shelter from false shame and condemnation.
That's interesting that you came to the opposite conclusion I did. I went through a major faith crisis in the early 90's with lots of pain and doubts if I had crossed the line from straying to lost. I hope you reconsider whatever brought you to disbelief.
@@mpmattson I know you mean well, but hoping that I reconsider whether the Bible's supernatural claims are true is like hoping I reconsider whether the supernatural claims in the golden tablets Joseph Smith supposedly found or in the writings Muhammed supposedly dictated in a cave are true. I know they aren't true in the same way you know Joseph Smith's and Muhammed's writings aren't true. I don't need to hope you reconsider Smith and Muhammed, because you are already right, and I don't want to you waste your time reconsidering things you already know to be false. I already know the Bible's supernatural claims are false, so it would be pointless for me to reconsider them. It wouldn't be pointless for you, however, to consider the vast evidence that the supernatural claims of the Bible are fables, legends, and myths. So I hope you do.
@@timelston4260 I'm honestly past reconsidering faith. I've seen way too many miracles. Amazing grace, I guess.
Good luck with that.
@@timelston4260 _I know they aren't true in the same way you know Joseph Smith's and Muhammed's writings aren't true_
False Equivalence, Ambiguity, and Straw Man. All you really 'know' then is that you have misinterpreted the narratives. The Bible agrees that the Bible is 'human' (2 Peter 1:20f) which the Qur'an does not, and the American civilization that is described in the Book of Mormon did not exist, so we have right to be skeptical of them, but your claim that the New Testament is 'all human' is an altogether different claim that does not describe the Bible.
A lot of PhD students drop out of their programs for various reasons. Perhaps you found a. that the NT is deeper than you thought and b. encountered the 'dark night of the soul' (also called 'the cloud of unknowing') and didn't recognize it? I ask because of course I don't know, but I think it much more likely than that the NT is false because 'all human,'
It's so funny how I never even considered that there just isn't enough water for this. Like, it reads as such an ignorant (in the literal sense) explanation for something. Like, how can THE WHOLE PLANET rain for 40 days? Where's that water coming from? And why would it even need to be rain? Couldn't he just un-exist everyone else? It's so bizarre.
Yeah, how come he can’t just remake the animals afterwards anyhow. That would have made way more sense 😂 than making an ark for them all.
He could have also snapped his finger with the infinity gauntlet and made everyone disappear except for Noah and his fam.
@@sway109r but WHY keep Noah tho?? He was a direct descendant of Adam and Eve and therefore a cursed creation. So God kept a cursed creation to start fresh. Ummm, makes sense? (not) When he could have just created human 2.0?? and kept creating until we all became robots, I suppose. Why even create us at all if we are SO WICKEDLY EVIL? He must have had this foreknowledge but decided to do it anyway cuz he was bored?
Well, I have a theory. I call it the hovind theory
@@JasonHenderson By that name, it doesn't sound promising
Imagine your house is infested with roaches.
You decide to wipe them out. But before you do, you collect 8 roaches and put them in a box that will protect them from the insecticide.
Not only do you Bug Bomb the house, you burn everything in it: the carpets, the drapes, the furniture, EVERYTHING.
Your house is now roach free.
You then release the 8 roaches back into your freshly restored house.
Sounds pretty stupid, right?
And yet that's exactly what God did.
I love this
Fun fact; a rainbow isnt a "bow" or an "arc", its actually a full circle you can see from an airplane. But to us on earth it looks like a "bow". Also, one of those verses talked about God pushing the water off the earth, so I'm assuming it's because back then, they believed the earth was flat and in a dome
More proof that the story was written by humans for humans and that the "biblical interpretation" of natural phenomenon is based on prescientific interpretations made by Iron Age priests. And at the time they actually believed the earth was a flat disc mounted on some stone pillars and covered with a dome shaped sky where everything in said sky, revolved around the earth.
It's also caused by the light refracting. This is the same phenomena that lens use. Upshot is, if god didn't invent refraction until after the flood then everyone and everything living before the flood would have been blind!
My theory as to why all societies have flood myths -
Humans like water. Where do we build our towns and cities? By water. What happens when we build by water? Eventually, it washes things away. All societies throughout time, at least all influential ones, have myths simply because their river/lake/sea rose up a few times and swallowed half the village, somewhere back in history.
Every myth in the Bible is a rehash of other myths.
@@t0dd000 Of course. I'm sure every theologian knows this by know.
There wasn’t a problem feeding the carnivores; according to Sheldon’s mother, they were fed on the floating bodies of drowned sinners!
Don't forget those were juvenile animals which needed kid sized portions. Good thing god thought of that and included all the babies in children in his genocide.
"And when the lord smelled the pleasing aroma".
No real comment. That quote is so bizzare that it stands on its own, in my opinion.
I like to remind Christian apologist of verses like that one whenever they want to play the hide and seek game where God is not simply "in heaven" but "nowhere and everywhere" or "beyond space and time" or whatever. Well, not in those days, he wasn't. He was literally in the sky and close enough to enjoy the pleasing aroma of burnt offerings rising into the sky. And close enough to talk to certain prophets when they climbed to the summits of Mount Sinai. (elevation: 2,285 m (7,497 ft)
Giiirrrrl, i am SO glad i found your channel. I have been binge watching your videos all day. I was raised in church, Pentecostal to be exact. And i uave always had these same questions and thoughts in my head, but was to afriad to say them out loud. Now that i am grown up i am free nally able to speak my truth and question everything. Thank you for these videos. ❤
There's a difference between people who gripe to each other and those who go to the source with questions. If you were 'afraid' to voice your questions where you were, there are places in which you did not need to be. You appear to have quit too soon. 'A little knowledge...'
When I asked these questions to religious people, they all said, “god works in mysterious ways” or “it’s just gods miracles”
Zeus ordered the flood. Part of this tale is from the story of Zeus/Jupiter and Hermes/Mercury visiting Sodom (Scorpio) while dressed as beggars. Philemon and Baucis became Lot and his wife.
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Sun worship is found throughout the bible…..For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the Lord will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. Psalm 84.11.
"Then spake Joshua to THE LORD, and said, SUN, stand thou still upon Gibeon! So, THE SUN stood still in the midst of heaven. And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that THE LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man."-Joshua 10.12-14.
Even as a little kid in Catholic School, I got the impression that Noah's flood was one Bible story one the nuns were almost embarrassed about.
I'll bet the nuns were really embarrassed about Chapter 19, of the Book of Genesis. That's the one about Lot and his two daughters. Maybe God loved incest.
Stolen from the Gilgamesh epic - and some of them may have been scholarly enough to know it.
@@danielcobbins8861 And pimping. i was recently reminded that, before he raped his daughters, Lot pimped them out to some strangers who invaded his house -- so they wouldn't rape his male guests. Charming. And somehow, Lot is dubbed "the righteous man".
@@sundayoliver3147 In Genesis, he didn't rape his daughters. They got him drunk on wine, and slept with him. They ended up pregnant.
@klingonsexy I thought of that skit while watching this. "And he had to keep telling the rabbits only 2, only 2."
Deuteronomy 5: " I am a jealous god I punish the sons and daughters of the sinners to the third and fourth generation"
Also loved your input about abusive relationships and try to fix everything afterwards with flowers......
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I've been questioning a lot about my salvation and the Bible and what I've been taught throughout my life. The Bible says to test all spirits, so maybe this is what I need to do in order to find truth. I like how you broke down and analyzed the story. I've always considered myself an analytical person, and I appreciate the way you broke it down and analyzed it.