Is Nioh 2 Dying? | 7 Things I Wish Team Ninja Knew Before The Next DLC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- This video discusses the issues I see with Nioh 2 since the DLC released at the end of July 2020. There are some major problems and the Nioh 2 player population seems to be dwindling. Is Nioh 2 dead? Not yet, but it might be unless Team Ninja can pull something out of the bag. In this video I discuss 7 things I wish Team Ninja knew BEFORE releasing any more content or making further patch updates.
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Thank you guys for all the comments. Engagement like this is why I love TH-cam... I don't expect you all to agree with my point of view. I'm not a snowflake 😂... So if you disagree, feel free to say so (just be constructive about it)
Apologies if I don't get the chance to reply to everyone... I DO read all the comments I promise... Sometimes I just run out of time to write an intelligent reply!
I know this probably won't help the game overall content-wise but I'd like a little bit more character customization you know like let's change the colors of existing armors or go more in-depth with the character creator maybe on the same level as the Soul Calibur series Maybe
@@Deus_Ex_Machina_Games3387 being able to customize colors would stop me from glamoring everything to look like Samurai General with Obsidian Samurai pants though...
@@SuperRoboPopoto is was just an idea that would have add a little bit more customization but I don't think the people at team Ninja would go for that
@@Deus_Ex_Machina_Games3387 oh I agree. There are so many armor sets, and rng all but assures that you'll be piecemealing your gear out and almost none of it even "sort of" matches.
Nioh 1 better
Nioh is supposed to be a finite game, what's wrong with it dying ? This concept that every game should be infinite re-playable is just wrong imo.
@Matriones Nioh was grindy as hell as well, it was nowhere near infinite. I mean it was infinite in the same way Diablo is, you can keep grinding for items and levels forever replaying the same levels and killing the same enemies over and over again. Game wasn't really designed to be played forever, let it die in peace.
you sure get a lot of value out of it imo. i just spent like 200 hours on a playthrough and i don't even have the dlc yet. i'm getting the dlc tomorrow and starting a new game, and with 5 additional dlcs i'm sure i'll get plenty more hours out of it. sure has more value than most games for me.
Yes. What’s the point of this video??? Sounds like complete click bait. What happens to buying a video game, finished it, and moved on to something else? Nioh 1/2 aren’t games as a service like LoL, Overwatch or Hearthstone. The devs and publishers already made profit at the initial sales + DLC releases.
Calling a year old single-player game “dying?” Seriously?
@@Aliens1337 this was made after only the first DLC was released. Normally games do have a slight burnout right before a DLC but for a 10th of the sales figures to be recurring players is quite a big number. Meanwhile steam id imagine gave this game a huge breath of life and ive already sunken 150+ hours since i got it lmao.
But some of his issues are unfortunately still true. Being unable to roll star stats now and the over bloated graces is rough while farming for divine/ethereal. Esepcially when most builds hit a solid brick wall at DotD/DotW because i now have to spend literal hundred millions of gold and hours of farming materials to MAYBE get something that'll push me through the next difficulty. Something that was somehow easier for me in Nioh 1.
Also the latest patch has made my game and crash, and many others, like 30 times since its release last week and still hasnt been addressed.
NIOH 1 has more replay value than NIOH 2.
Honestly, it isn't anything against the game, I stopped playing because I didn't want to burn myself out while waiting for more content to be added in.
Smart decision. Playing the game when it's so repetitive will tire you out pretty quickly, and when it does, you will not want to return to it even when new content has been added. They should've put more stuff in the game, however small, to keep people busy while they work on the DLCs if they want people to play. Like, I can't believe there is no PvP in Nioh 2. There were cool clan battles and stuff in Nioh 1, and though I never got into it (nobody is playing anyway unfortunately) it was a cool concept. I feel like PvP is basically a "must" in Soulslike games, the game loses much from not including it.
Master Blaster i just finished Nioh 1 and the dlc and felt burnout. But I want to buy the sequel, wondering is it as tough as Nioh 1?
The double bosses in Nioh 1 is stupidly insane.
@@nickywan123 I'd say it's a little harder the bosses aren't as hard I feel tho its just nioh 1 but better
I haven't finished dream of the demon yet. I stopped playing after I finished the dlc. Probably going to wait until the next one to finished dotd.
Same for me as well. Once all the DLC drops I plan on returning but I don’t want to burn out by returning too early.
I'm playing nioh 2 almost every day since release lol, love the game ( I do agree we need better end game content)
I'm glad you're loving the game! I haven't been into it much lately for the reasons I was whining on about haha... I'll definitely be checking out future DLCs though and keeping up with any news updates
Yeah? Nioh 1 had more content at launch and with DLC 1 so I'm not really playing 2 daily I've gone back to 1 tryna finish abyss but I'm currently abroad 😋
@@shaany78677
What are you saying? You know over half of the endgame missions like Marobashi, Tea Time Entertainment, Grand Tornament etc. were all missions they included post launch before the DLC 1 came? They literally updated it so often for new missions so the endgame seems like it has more to offer than Nioh 2. The DLCs itself were always short, what it comes down to is the new difficulty and, for the 3rd DLC, the Abyss, which will be coming to Nioh 2 too. And if that hits only the real difficulty-loving players will continue grinding Nioh 2. Because Way of the Nioh (or in this case Dream of the Nioh) is the real challenge where shit really goes down.
Nioh 2 is not better than nioh 1 it COULD be if they ADDED PVP like what was they thinking , “what, imma show off who can kill the most monster like fr” people want competitive even if u don’t like it ,Like wants going on fr ,any good company knows every game gotta have competitiveness even Pac-Man the original knows that geez game owners these days🤦🏽♂️...?🙌
Gamers in Nioh 1: Endgame and DLC is too grindy/RNG based
Team Ninja: We heard you liked grinding and DLC bosses with 5000% HP
For some of the issues there is an easy fix:
Star Skills:
Have them appear at the blacksmith, in order to get a Star Skill on your gear you need Divine Umbracite, that way players are encouraged to do co-op Twillight Missions in order to get the materials to get the perfect skills they want.
Graces:
Maybe have it tied to a mission, do an optional thing or a certain route in order to get a Grace on your gear that doesn't have anything on it. The Shiftling's choise quest can be perfect to get 3 Graces, each Grace depending on your route in the mission as an extra reward.
Endgame:
I think the biggest issue is that your damage is super low compared to the enemies, you do when you have gear all optimised, doing everything correct aaaaaand you do less than 2% of the boss' health pool while the boss can just touch you and in some cases its 90% of your health... So we get nerfed while the enemies are tanks that also hit like trucks... Thats not balance at all, I know there are ways to boost your damage like with Benz Grace but that doesn't excuse the poor damage output from the get-go, PERIOD!
Communication:
I don't mind the tweets they are doing BUT... They need to take a page out of Capcom's book what they did with Monster Hunter World Iceborne, every once in a while they have a stream known as a Dev Dairy where they show stuff to come like new things, bug fixes and all that, simple AND effective.
I still love Nioh but it REALLY needs better streamlining in terms of gameplay and communication, PVP might be a nice thing to have aswell, maybe a PVP Mission(?)
Anyways, those were my thoughts about it.
Very good points Gidz. I liked the thought especially about the star attributes. Would be nice to have a more solid way to apply them... Just to take the RNG down a notch.
@@Onos Thanks, I don't mind a steep grind myself (over 3000 hours in Monster Hunter World proofs that) but there are many excamples out there Team Ninja can use to make it also fun and thats exactly where they went wrong in my opinion, they went for the worst way possible which can kill a game for a lot of people.
It’s sad because a someone who is a big Nioh enthusiast there’s nothing there right now to hold your attention and keep you playing. The grind is already a hassle then throw star rolls, grace set and then when the newer difficulties come out it’s rinse and repeat. This game has so much potential but their still following the same formula from the first which worked to a degree but with 3yr of planning and having to wait for a sequel just for it to be an enhance version of the first is sad. Again I love this game, from the lore, the gameplay, the visuals, the history etc but this game won’t ever reach its full potential until it seriously listens to the community feedback and make changes to make it feel unique and rewarding not repetitive and grindy.
Yeah, I agree. I'd like to see 2 things: 1 or 2 more "free" additions, like the one they did before. Just adding some content, tweaking a couple things, that would be just fine. And 2nd: after the 3 planned dlcs, and everybody finishes it as much as can be finished; they listen to feedback, and release a 4th dlc down the road, which is a community dlc. I'm sure that likely won't happen, but I'd 100% pay another $10 for a 4th dlc in those circumstances.
they need to buff damage. Especially when you are min maxing everything and you still do shitty damage without buffs like for fk sake.
It's not even an enhanced version of 1, i mean 1 had more content at launch and even in dlc1 😫
@@honv1990 we do shitty damage when we have an incompetent 3rd player lol
It sucks that Team Ninja is leaving Nioh behind after the final 3rd dlc. They are working on a new ip though so thats kind of exciting but sad to know Nioh is over for a while at least. They said they want to go a new direction for next generation and have no plans for further Nioh games. Im devastated. I hope they make something like Nioh but maybe with a darker more cryptic world. Idk which direction they are going maybe nothing even close.
Y'all swear there's a game that you can play for 100yrs straight lmfao. You got more than enough time out of this game, it's paid for itself more than 10x over. Move on play other games nothing to see here.
Lol good point. 450 hours is a lot of time to put in one game.
for real... what a fucking reach. lmao, i got 65h in it, finished it played with some builds. had tons of fun moved on..
I have games I've put months of in game time into, OG WoW for example. The games community is dying and that's horrible for a game that released this year epecially when the game is as good as Nioh 2. I personally would love to come back to this game in another year or so but imo a game is only as good as it community and if it's community is dead...
OP gets it. Burnout will happen with a single player focused game like this, especially such a niche genre. Only your diehards will stick around.
I mean it's mostly like a single player game, u beat it and your done with it, it's not a multi-player game. Don't get me wrong I love this game aswell but why play it daily when it will burn you out?
I think one of the main reasons that a lot of people feel like this is bc at launch and even still, A LOT of people are stuck at home and have WAY more hours a day to play than they once did. So getting a fully built character pre dlc was super easy bc you could play all day. We need to remember, if we were still on work schedules most people would not have been able to get everything built out that they wanted to. I know I personally wouldn't have been able to. So I do think taking a step back and remembering how much time we now have to play is putting a strain on devs to keep us interested bc we're able to run through content at a rate we wouldn't have been able to before. Nioh 2 has gotten slightly stale but now's a great time to play other games out or return to one that you haven't played in a while. Although the abyss isn't here, the game is in a pretty damn good state allowing players to really use anything if properly built. We really just need more communication from team ninja with regards to coming content so people know what they want to spend their time doing. There is no reason to burn out on a game right now given the time that most people have to play currently.
idk lol, i reached end game fairly quick while still working full time all thru covid and with a 1 year old lol. I made end game builds and min maxed like a mug and pretty much 100% everything in the game.
I was one of the many who got this game the first day when everything was going on with the virus it was a beautiful experience because I had nothing else to do but to play that game. true you do get burnt out but it's still a great game
@@someblackguy100 absolutely it is. And same here. But I definitely think it's something to consider when looking at how a game "needs more content" or what have you bc we as gamers were/are in a position where we are able to game for much longer than we and probably team ninja expected us to be when this game was planned to come out. While it definitely needs some work and some content, I don't exactly know if we as a community need to be upset that they haven't given us endless new content just bc were at home to play
@@inthebeginning4751 and I could almost guarantee that you were also at home most of the time working unless you work in food/hotels but even then most places, inc the restaurant I work at, was operating under super reduced hours. Meaning you were still probably home most of the day, if not working from home so you were still home and able to play here and there a lot more frequently than you would've been if you were leaving for work for 8+ hrs a day and coming home to care for an infant. Not to mention, if you played the first game then this one wasn't too bad. Unlike the first one I never really hit a speed bump on a boss for more than 2-4 tries. So it definitely went faster than the first game did toget fully built
@@iownall2222
ummmm no...i work 8 to 5 mon - friday at a hospital. i play games most days at 8pm. to 11pm. and thats it
Since I'm in the middle of Dream of the Demon, I'm still using the Onmyo Warrior set with no grace. I've been getting by with it, but the amount of health bosses have is getting kinda ridiculous.
Well i can tell you this as an example right now i got 99 dex, i changed to flying kato which is the best set for overall damage increase so best in regards to making abilites stronger, ranged weapons and weapons in general. I changed from god of war looks down so that increased my damage a bit, and i also got a demon scroll with 6,8% handcannon damage and im +20 across the board the only thing i cannot get is a lvl 180 ranged weapon which would be a minor damage increase from my 170+20. So with all of that my cannon does the same damage as i did before on dream of the strong, with god of war looks down, no demon scroll and lvl 160+10 sure if i go to DOTS my damage is decently increased which i did not need on that difficulty. So my cannon damage is the same now as back then however just on demon yet as you said the bosses HP is getting whack, i have to use the 2 debuffs i can that affects cannons and use my expolsive rounds and doing so in most cases means i break about 50% of their HP with 4 expolsive shots and i use ice hell aswell which does 10k+ in most cases. So in short when it comes to the defense of enemies they need to lower it or give a good player damage buff cause once you have MINmaxed like i have your damage should be really good.
My thunderours hell does 5k per lighting so 25k if all hits and in some cases 4k per lighting which means 2 lighting strikes are better than my cannon and it is gonna hit with 2 lightings more often than not and being amazing aoe. Sometimes i just pull several enemies together and just shazam the F out of them.
I know right i already reset like 5 to 6 times in Dream of the demon cause i keep getting one hit all the time.
Xenojin Hayabusa agreed. I actually ended up scrapping my day one character I had 700 hours on because I had done EVERYTHING correctly for the most part. Stats were min maxed. Gear was soul matched to level 170+18 by the time I started the dlc on DOTD, I had my weapons remodeled for dual scaling, attack bonus main stat on each weapon was A+ and yet I felt like I was hitting bosses with a toothpick. It was the most underwhelming feeling in the world.
But then I see people steamrolling boss life bars with builds using split staff and I’m like oh I see so I basically have to make a build around what’s new and hot in order to do respectable damage..
I’ve since gone back to Nioh 1 and I’m about halfway through WOTD with a Japan’s bravest spear build and I’m absolutely stomping on everything. Bosses aren’t lasting longer than 45 seconds at the longest! It’s like night and day difference..
My biggest issue in Nioh 2 was removing the ability to stack multiple damage effects on weapons..
Im also using a set I built through my first play through...one eyed dragon purity Tonfa build with no grace...so far so good
slicfeet glad you’re finding success. Truly 👍🏻
Bro, its a single player game. It doesn’t need to be infinite. Let it go.
32,000 in game at this very moment, holy shit. Not even Dark Souls 3 ever touched this player count. Can't believe people thought this game was dying.
I was really addicted to this game but once endgames happened, I just kept questioning why I’m putting myself through it. It just isn’t fun trying to get the right star rolls and graces only to find out you don’t enjoy the build then you have to do it all over again.
Using Benzaiten.
I'm using a version Cowboys Monk splitstaff build. I'm wrecking shit rn
I use flying kato i was using god of war looks down, but since on DOTD they cut right through no matter what and there is only 72 defense difference between my flying kato chest and god of war chest both being 180+20 and with max defense. Flying kato is the best set for overall damage increase, so yokai abilites, magic, ninjstu and ranged weapons. Regarding yokai shift yea thats mostly panic button to shift and get out of danger, or being able to cast my most powerful ninjstus as quick as possible given i can burst counter and skip animations. Yokai shift needs WAAAAAY more damage and some skills based on each form.
I'm using Master Swordsman set working towards getting a somewhat decent Yoshitsune set but then I remember the grind and I'm like.....
"Oh fuck this" and just stop playing again. Sadly I don't think Team Ninja will do anything regarding feedback. I played the first Nioh and I really struggle to tell people what's improved with the sequel.
yup, I'm currently using not-so-decent kurama set after long day grind against yoshitsune. the grind is so frustating but belive me, you'll fell rewarded at the end...
@@btakerss No you won't lol
I completely agree with you. Sooo much grind for a build that’s gonna be obsolete on the next update. The RNG is really hardcore right now. I spent 4 hours yesterday just to get a star effect I wanted. WTH man. I felt stupid for wasting my time crafting all day so I just stopped playing cause there’s nothing fun about crafting and save scumming your life away.Not a good feeling. An I’m a loyal Nioh fan, I have been since Nioh 1 came out. It’s not worth making multiple builds anymore like it was in base game. It takes toooo much time an effort.Not good!
You don't even need star rolls to get by in DotD
This game suffers from the developers being scared of letting us be OP. When it's literally the point in a game like this. I knew they were heading back down this path when I first saw close combat bonuses at 3 percent on sets when the game first came out 🤣
Yes!!!!
The nerfing killed it for me. I spent countless hours perfecting a godlike moonlit snow only for it to be nigh on useless come the dlc. The dotd expeditions are boring because the bosses are uber resistant to virtually all debuffs and have an insane amount of hit points.
And they block entirely too much. DOTD boss fights can take 20 minutes against human bosses because they could literally block for more than 2 minutes straight
@@illmatticx tell me about it. I have melee ki damage on most of my gear and the difference is minimal.
@@ryanj3791 speaking of, can you put melee ki damage on armor?
@@illmatticx yeah but I've only found it from star effects. A lot of savescumming required
@@ryanj3791 You want BREAK against blocking enemies. Ki Damage is more for Yokai who don't block as much.
And hold on. Yokai shift is the jam. You can cancel ninjitsu, spells, and items by dodging (Feral burst counter). Effectively removing the down time. You can dodge cancel like this over and over during feral yokai shift. Allowing you to nuke foes over and over with your spell/item/ninjitsu of choice.
Hey, Onos - absolutely love your content ... keep it up, brother! Set bonuses I'm using: 7-piece Benzaiten's w/ 2-piece Unifier of the Warring States, 2-piece Ebisu's, 2-piece Saika's Yatagarasu & 2-piece Master of Spears. My boss-room/farming build is 6-piece Unifier of the Warring States w/ 5-piece Ebisu's. I'm also still holding onto a set based around Samurai from the Dark Lands ... but I don't use it much anymore. Hope this helps!
Thanks dude. Really appreciate the support!
I'm currently over 1000 hours on nioh 2 :P using the "Inari's Grace" as set bonus :3 I really love that one.
What build do you use?
A Light armor sword/Magic build with Inari's grace :P
I totally agree with everything you've said in video. Theres no reason in expend months creating builds only for be thrown away in the next nerf. I use tonfa with benzaiten+matazza+moonprayer. But the wotd is totally unbalanced. I think they could simply redesign all useless sets and guardians for next DLC, and add diferent damage atributes in pieces that are already in the game, instead of flooding the game with more useless sets and graces.
i hopfully they do because the amount of sets is overwhleming but unsefull are just a few.
I think Team Ninja si making 2 main mistakes: 1 nobody wants to waste anymore time in upgrading their equip too much because they know that with the new content it will become straight away obsolete
2 They are making too much time pass among the dlcs, in a 9 monhts they released only 1 and god knows when the other 2 will come. Furthermorr, in less than 2 months Ps5 will be released and at least 50% of us will give up ps4 and forget about the game. There we go they lost the community. I just wonder how they cannot get this, but I hope I am wrong
Good video, cheers!
PS4 games are compatible on the PS5 though so that shouldn't damage the player base much.
Give the yokai shift an execute when enemies are %10 and below that looks really cool and unique. Create a set or set bonus that changes or enhances that. I think even a set that allows us to be Yokai for a lot longer would be interesting.
I want to see added:
1. Enemy friendly-fire
2. A counter for the cheap enemy grabs.
3. Better management of the Ki meter. Handicapping a stamina/ki meter seems like a cheap way to make the game difficult. It's like our Yokai protagonist has asthma.
4. Better varying enemies. It seems like EVERY enemy either has projectiles or a long-range weapon, or they're a giant. I see the matrix, and was just downright boring and uninspiring after some time.
5. Get rid of the enemy's "juggernaut mode" where nothing the player does can interrupt the enemy. Again, just seems to be another cheap way to make the game hard.
6. And most important. Fix the damn lock-on system. The enemies slide around like they're in a oil slick, and it was simply obnoxious having to chase the enemy just to get three consecutive hits in.
I exclusively use light armor and the set bonus I use is "Saika's Yatagarasu"
The Youkai transformation could last longer. If your time didn't decrease when you take damage or if it actually lasts 100 seconds, it would be much better. There are times when I actually forgot that the transformation existed.
It's like everything else in the game, if you build for it, it's good, if you don't it might as well not exist.
Here's hoping we see team ninja use your info. Awesome video as always👍.
I believe Nioh 2 should have a Dynasty Warriors cross over to solve the grinding problems.
Thanks for all those amazing ideas and I agree with all of them 100% , and about my build to be honest I love to test all of them and trying different builds lol ❤💖
Hey Onos, another great discussion video. I lost interest after the DLC and haven't even made it through the second playthrough. My personal gripe comes from a lack of understanding the Parade scrolls--I have one I really really like, so what do I do with the other 15? The game is fun, but I only play online random missions because I enjoy having a 20 minute adventure with strangers, or helping people with bosses.
Thanks for the continued videos! Hope you're staying well.
Thanks Chris. Didn't enjoy putting this one together all that much... Its a bit negative, but I guess I needed to have a bit of a rant to get it off my chest lol
@@Onos Nothing wrong with venting an opinion, friend. You were respectful, descriptive, and made completely valid points. And honestly, it's nice to know I'm not the only one struggling to find reasons to continue to play.
TN actually confirmed there will be dlc2 info in the online TGS show on 26th. For the community involvement part I want to tell you that our discord have TN community manager joined since 2 months ago.
Your timing on some of these videos is crazy. Just picked up Nioh 2 again yesterday, thought I was ready to get back to the grind of WoD. Played a few missions and what you said about not having a goal and repeating the same content for the third time is spot on. Love the game, like you, but the combination of factors you discussed in this video is exactly why I will likely fall off again until the next dlc. Here’s hoping for some of what you suggested. Excellent video once again.
For my current build I’m using 6 Warrior of the West, 2 Inari and 1 Daikxxxxx, whatever that one is just for the life bonus and because I got a sweet star roll on it. With Yasa, those set numbers all go up one.
Hahaha mind reading again. I've been thinking about making this vid for a couple of weeks... But I don't like making them honestly... Prefer to be positive and optimistic when I can!
I don’t think the tone came across that negative, honestly. It’s constructive criticism and you are trying to be helpful for the devs. Also, you didn’t just tear down the game, you want to support the game and devs going forward, and gave great suggestions for improvements. I would hope anyone would love to hear this kind of thoughtful feedback from their fans.
I am totally resonated by what you are saying in the video. You were putting everything I’m feeling into words. Thank you for doing this and I sincerely hope this can get to team ninja. GJ!
You are 100% right on all points mate and I love how you illustrated your points all without being rude. Great video, well done!
Great video! I posted this on Twitter and included Team Ninja and you on this. Thank you.
Sometimes I love this game but sometimes it get really frustrating when I’m keep getting one or two hit kill by some normal ass enemies that feel like a intense boss fight.
Bro. I know the feeling
It just doesn’t flow in a game like this. In the all father of all these games dark souls, you never feel like your progress is being stagnated by the game...only your ability to play it.
I think what you mentioned in the last video is more correct for the attitude of playing NIOH 2.
I am OK with the saving time on crafting better gear by some mechanics and systems added in an update, such as edit ops on accessories. Replace the options gear system by using umbracite. I am confident in TN's willingness to improve the experience of players.
For the DoTD I think what Team Ninja mentioned from us is this: Use more mechanics, play like an action game, not a grinding gear RPG, bro.
The mechanics could include the burst counter bonus on Ki, yokai skill damage, and stopping the enemy's movements with great Ki damage. Perfect purification bonus on status. Back attack damage on all enemies. And the confusion debuff on enemies-- you even don't need any gears to gain bonus time for high damage, very slow ki recovery on human/stopping AI on yokai. That's why I don't agree with PWAR-- it's not buffs, they are mechanics. As Team ninja just also gained the damage for players hitting on the enemy's vulnerabilities, this shows that they want players to not just spamming some skills to clear every stage.
The first two stages were just too simple for players to melt down the health bar from bosses and any enemies, and trust me, without much gear options and level, just use yokai skills properly with a clear understanding of the enemy could also do this. And definitely, the lazyness of player would drag many of them just use those OP builds to kill bosses without learning the game's action parts. The DotD was just a challenge to combine both, and needs strategy not only on builds but also battle styles.
What they tried is not using a really long health bar with small chances for the player to do their combos safely. What they did in NIOH1 was just driven players to kill enemies with higher damages, that's the root of the complaints: What can I survive without killing the enemies before they kill us? Now on NIOH2 you have more chances to recovering your health bar, enemies are wayyyyy more easier to deplete their ki with many methods. And the damage is not really one-shot overkill anymore.
As the major of the yokai shift, it just using more different mechanics: With three individual anima gauges. This means that you can set two or three powerful soul core and use attacking to gain all of the animas to use it separately, when the enemy's ki depleted or being burst countered, they gain amrita and could be soaked to extend the time of yokai shift. The experience was different from the instant-god-mode living weapons in NIOH1, and I greatly hope that won't return--- It will ruin the action system definitely with almost infinite attack resources and extremely high damages.
The set bonus on different armors with diversity is not perfect with some generic effects that could replace it, but I think the most reason to build it must based on purpose. What I know the category based on purpose could divided to: Damages on weapon: This included Benzaiten, Warrior of East. And some element stats damage bonus like Inari+Warrior of West with Blue Dragon sprits. Damages on Item like ninjuzu and omnyo. Anima recycle based on items or other damages. Ki damage builds. The purpose of the build is more diverse than Nioh 1: Nearly most of them are focus on damage only. For some useless effects they can delete it, but generally speaking, the builds are better than Nioh 1.
At last, to clear this game doesn't need to RNG to the best. It can be the goal of the endgame, but many videos with their endgame build would just driving more players to build a better build first-- because they think that's what should the game be played. Not only on youtube , on other sites the build videos always could attract more subscribers and viewers, but this is just a part of a glacier. More minor contents like action systems and skill using and more tips for the game mechanics are also could provide better effects on dealing with a boss or a bunch of enemies. Some player's complaints on the DoTD was just the lower effects based on the old recipes from previous version, as you said on previous video, four pillars. DotD means the recycle of challenge, freedom choices, progressions and finally become overpowered was started again. And it just need more focus on bosses' weakness and mechanics to deal with, or it would just another boring cycle on battle experiences.
I am glad with TN 's attempt on balancing the damages in DoTD, and some designs to drive players to using more actions than grinding the gears to clear the bosses. I just hope these "suggestion" videos won't become the reason they brings what screwed in NIOH1 back.
In a word, don't let your mind being limited in a single gameplay style. Nioh 2 would never become such a game that "have to" do something to finally enjoy the game.
ミウラアンジン I wish everyone would listen to this advice. I couldn’t have said it better. Most players want the “OP damage build” and won’t take the time to utilize all the game’s mechanics to the maximum potential and conquer obstacles. I myself have approached this game with your exact mentality and am proud I’m not in the sane group as those who complain about difficulty. It does suck when people’s builds get nerfed to the ground but no one should rely on the build alone imo. Skill needs to be factored in and if a player can’t handle difficult challenges, they clearly forgotten about the first mini boss in the game that was difficult for most people. Or even the first encounter with the giant snake boss. GIT GUD FOLKS!!!
Great video with some much needed tough love. I personally am not yet using any grace set(s), I just cannot be bothered grinding then wasting materials or faffing about ‘save scumming’.
You right about that, I feel you, trust its the same over here.
Thanks Kevin. Glad I'm not the only one feeling it
The game is amazing but there are issues that hold it down from being a master piece
Benz+Kingo, and you're right about everything, and I really hope Team Ninja fixes the problems about the "end game" and maybe fixes the translations (the Mexican Spanish language has a lot of errors).
i feel you so much, it's been almost 2 months i'm playing Nioh 2, i just started dotd and forging the weapon i want with the grace and the star stats i want it's a pain in the ass, forging weapons feels like playing at the casino and also with the bugs we had latelly i've lost a bunch of glory points because the game crashed and i couldn't save my progress before.
I feel discouraged to continue playing, the bosses are so tough and my gear so weak i don't feel motivated anymore.
sorry for the long ass ranting...
I 100% agree with all your points. when I got to DotD, it felt so much like an obligation, rather than playing a game for fun. and as far as set bonuses go, we all know only 3 are even worth it: Kingo's, Benzaiten's Grace, and the one that gives you damage and defense while debuffed. why use anything else, if all other sets are shit? I'm currently using Kingo's, might try to make a benzaiten set to see how it feels
I agree with you, i just finished the dlc and did not even bother griding for the grace sets, stuck with tosa 2 wield, then the kurama dance build, after that? I felt it too much of a chore.
While I don't have a problem with Nioh 2 offering us old armour sets from Nioh 1 and its DLCs, the amount of RNG in Nioh 2 is absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for convincing not to return to this game at all after I finished my playthrough, Team Ninja.
I sign every word you said! Great video!👍
I'm using One Eyed Dragon's set. Great video!
I use inari grace set bonus with 4 piece tatanashi and 2 piece oni shibata. I agree with the grind aswell get about 1 hours play time a day so relying on RNG and save scumming is a nightmare. Keep up the good work Onos 👍
I hate how much You hit the nail on the head, hopefully Team Ninja will (and can) listen to the community~ Would hate to see this amazing game go down the same path as Nioh1.
EDIT: Obsidian Set since launch, recently tried out Inari and Benzaiten sets.
Yeah I just dont got the time to work on star rolls. I did make the time when the game was fresh, and came back a little for tengu. However, that was short lived because like you said. Theres just no real incentive to play through the same content at the moment.
One can only hope a better endgame comes soon!
Completely agree with everything you have said as someone who has a young kid its very time consuming making a build only to be one shotted by a boss with a huge Hp pool
I'm still using the build that got me through DotStr, which is a Fire-focused build using DualSwords, Ninetales, Omyo and the Imakomei Set. The blind status effect is just obnoxiously good for getting behind big Yokai and hacking them to pieces. It really is a lot of fun to set them on fire and watch them flail around blindly.
The problem I've noticed in DotD though is that if I come across a Fire-immune boss (Katsuie/Kasha for example), I get absolutely annihilated because the majority of my damage is through Fire effects. It was bearable in DotStr because my Dual Swords had enough damage, but the HP of bosses in DotD is absurd, that I'm falling back on cheesing them with Otakemaru Core spam.
I don't use a full armor set bonus because, like you said, you basically have to build like a tank in the endgame. I use the charm drop from the final boss that automatically gives you the first bonus of any set you use, and use that to stack health. Combined with the life drain when you gain amrita, and talismans to gain amrita on each attack, plus increase the amount that you receive from those attacks, and now I feel solidly tanky. It works better with fast weapons like the dual swords.
Nioh 3 being an actual sequel would definitely help. Nioh 2 is really Nioh 1.5.
Can you please explain how?
Jason it’s a prequel
Kendall Mahan yeah whatever it’s called
I agree with everything. I had over 1000´s hours on nioh 1. Now i have 300 on nioh 2 and i am already bored with it. Nice video mate. I hope de devs see this.
It's just like the first game but better in my opinion! After 1300 hrs no wonder you are bored!
Is crafting a necessity for higher difficulties? I’ve mainly been switching between the Kato and Sohaya sets and I’m in the second area of Dream of the Strong.
@Matriones Oh okay. I manly just like applying debuffs so that's good to hear.
Well stated. I hope they hear this.
I'm running a 6 piece benz/yoshitsune all rounder build with feral yokai shift acting more as a trump card after getting a 9th tier versatility buff and berserk. It won't break the enemy outright, but instead give massive damage when set up. It's a balanced build that rewards skilled usage of all mechanics and can be adaptable with any weapon but with a sword as my primary.
I also have an omnyo switchglaive build that also accidentally doubles as a lightweight tank. It's the only build I made in the base game where it's base concept survived to DotD with only small changes like 6 piece inari and a splitstaff secondary on top of the same senmei bonuses I had since the start.
As it stands, the community leans mostly toward 6p Benzaiten for versatility since it's both a fun and powerful ability while Inari acts as a secondary set bonus for elemental damage boosts. All the other grace set bonuses are passive buffs for things like specific elements of drop rates. I think there should be more graces akin to benz, something that rewards your playstyle.
I'd also like to upgrade the weapon and armor rarity when ethereals come, as well as the ability to change their grace into anything we want with a special consumable at the blacksmith.
I do believe that yokai shift needs to be buffed to be more durable and have more active skills exclusive to them
I completely agree. You have captured my feelings. I LOVED this game and played it from launch until May and then again in July for the DLC. I played Nioh 2 for less than a month before annoyance and boredom set in. All the great things about the game are there, but the main point is missing. Why am I doing this? And what fresh hell is crafting system now? Finally, I can see the population dwindling. Partly because the social aspect of trading oranges is now pretty much obselete. 2 more DLC? They better hurry,bro!
What do you mean with Endgame? It's literally a single player adventure made for letting you enjoy your 60+ hours and then move on...
The endgame in a singleplayer game is when the credits roll and you move on.
I've been using Xenoswarm's Raijin Samurai build. It's fun and I still need to tweak it here and there, but yeah, it's not really enticing at the moment
Using master swordsman/golden gourd set with dual sword. Spend days to re-forge and relevel an entire set rolled with +active skill star attribute, just to realize it does a negligible increase in damage.
I bought it at launch, but my back log is so big. I am still a long way from actually sitting down and playing it.
......You sound like William.
And I am just wierd but that made this video even more meaningful. Like the guy himself was like "FIX THIS".
Good stuff, kind sir.
Dash ki consumption. Solid video, good points, good insights
I actually didn't care too much about the star effects and for DLC1 I just forged the grace sets, tempered them a bit, did some orange inherit, and went on to enjoy the game. The 2nd DLC however, forced me to join the grind since the newest ethereal graces can't be forged... Now that I have almost cleared all quests in DotW, I still haven't gotten even close to having a decent Susanoo grace set. Heck, I haven't even gotten a usable ethereal tonfa (my main). Like wtf?!! I keep getting shit like vajra (lightning) tonfa with corruption grace, yin-yang (water) tonfa with fire grace, etc. I feel like I'm playing fking vanilla Diablo 3 with those kinds of stupid loot drops.
Hey there, paused the video when you asked to comment what armor we're rocking. I've got the 5 piece Genmei Onmyo set with the rest of my equipment going towards Benzaiten's grace. The Versatility at 6 pieces seems just too good to pass up, but because of that I've hardly looked at other grace sets = (
Very good points, I hope they listen.
So many great points!
And why the hell did you wait for 2 weapons in the first DLC? They're doing the same they did in Nioh 1.
1 weapon in the first dlc and another in the second. Why the hell did you thought it was going to be different?
Yeah bosses r to easy to kill
I agree with your points especially with grinding, i gave up on grace builds with star effects. Used my swallow tail mixed with golden gourd armor through dream of the demon. I love this game a lot and put many hrs into it, good to address these issues, Especially for those who have put in hundreds of hrs including myself
I had a feeling this game would assume to be dead soon ever since I found out when they lacked variety for the demon forms and most of the skills for old weapons. I just knew it. 😒
Still more variety than Nioh 1.
Enemy variety isn't the problem. It's how this game is designed to be a grinding game.
After getting to the abyss I realized what you were saying about half the armor sets not being used. There's only like 1 or 2 combinations that actually do decent damage (the current metas) that I'd say the hard-core players are using like the critical build. From looking thru vids and reddit posts of recent and old builds it seems like they've just been nerfing every new build that someone comes up with that saves people time from having to hit a boss a million times while playing perfectly to kill them.
Also btw I'm using a shuten doji axe build with atlas bear and nuppepo rage buff with 6 piece oyamatsumi and 7 piece magatsuhi. Not as strong as my critical hatchets that do 40+k with a backstab advancing storm. But it still hits 18k from the back while also being a decent tank.
Hey Onos! I love all your Nioh 2 Videos! Your tips & tricks really helped me push the limit of my character. Nioh 1 & 2 are my favorite games ever. completing alI 999 levels of the Abyss in N1 was such a cool journey. I agree with your video tho, there are some things that could be better. Such as better story and rng rolls. But honestly I love everything about this game especially the challenge and versatility of builds. I ran out of things to do tho, Im just playing the missions over & over, Ive maxed out everything but I dont want to stop playing because its so fun. I hope Team Ninja watches this video. I cant wait till the next DLC and hopefully a new Abyss. Thanks Man, Take Care
This has serious break up letter vibes x)
It's too sad to see it man. I used to play a whole lot. Hell I was in a couple of your streams while you were researching. The dlc dropped, and I haven't touched it. The way they nerf is just too hard. I can forgive to an extent some of your points, (TO AN EXTENT) meaning I don't see them as SUCH huge problems, but the main one is the nerfs. They've shown that they still don't know how to nerf, even after the whole of Nioh 1. So now I'm in a position where I just wait for all the dlcs to release before I play again. Because I might make something strong now, and next dlc they'll make a set or skill that makes my month old build TOO strong, which is then nerfed. Sad things man. Great video! Really insightful.
I can agree on the grinding. I'm at my 70 try on Yoshitsune, trying to get his sword dance skill and it just doesn't drop. I'm starting to give on the game.
Had the same with the second 2 dual skills did forever and didn't got any skill while kusarigama and normal katana skills dropped in like 1-2h
Maybe just ignore them for me I definitely wanted them simply because I thought they will change the gameplay but thinking back I only used them because they looked new or because I simply grinded for them but the normal skills are more then enough to have a lot of fun ( kusa, single sword, dual sword )
@@llawlied6902 I was grinding on the sub mission without luck. So, I decided to try the main mission and I got the skill like in 3 tries.
Don't know if the chances are better there or if it's the same algorithm, but it worked.
I love this title! It was an absolute lifesaver during lockdown but that was then when i had time to pore into it now things have started to recover i just dont have that kind of time & when i found out that all my builds would need remodelling with the dlc & soo much rng within it it has put me off returning to it! I totally agree with this vid & hope team ninja listen 👂
Same as in Nioh 1 I achieved Platinum and also same as Nioh 1 I don't feel like playing it ever again. Don't even know why because I had lots of fun with both games despite all the well known downsides.
As someone who plays fighting games a lot, when a game is dying, all it really takes is a small but dedicated player base. A game doesn’t necessarily need a large amount of players so long as the ones that stay are dedicated enough to keep playing. At least that’s how I feel after playing fighting games where, even during their year of release they usually die in most cases (mainly anime fighters with some of my favorites like BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, and especially UNICLR in this situation with lack of players)
All 3 games you mentioned are so hard to find online matches where I live, but there's a very active community who do private online matches as well as physical gatherings regularly
First playthrough: basic ninja build.
2nd playthrough: usually flying kato poison build.
Post dlc: Benkei magic "build."
Sound familiar?
None of which were "optimized," because I didn't have the kinda luck it takes to get an inheritable damage scale perk, nor did I invest too much into graces or stars. But I could make do. But that's the problem with armor sets. For all the diversity they offer, few of them are enticing or they have obvious results in build synergy. I don't even care too much about graces for the same reason. And that goes quadruple for youkai abilities.
Great video. My build was an axe build and my armor set bonuses were FWR, hp regain on amrita absorption, attack, tenacity, increased stats with amrita gauge, and toughness.
I completely understand the grind. It's why I quit. It's too much. The amount of farming is absurd and the RNG for equipment effects is horrible
Right now, my Nioh 2 Group is still alive (December 2021) it has 12k+++ members. Not much of member compared to newer games but we post like 30+ Posts daily, looks like its still so Active to Me😎
The monk set with dragon dance inheritables.
Felt OP in the beginning of dotd, then it was kind of challenging for a bit, but you could upgrade meanwhile, while the dlc bosses are really tough. Yet, it just has been a grind and since I'm at 180+18, 19 on most gear, and there's nowhere to go, I am playing other games right now that were back in my box.
I feel like you hit a point there. It just feels senseless after a while.
Not gunna lie I am burnt out, basically got the set I wanted and have basically run out of things to do. I could farm for hours apon hours to get a very small gear increase, but I know that it will be replaced next DLC, so there is nothing to strive for at the moment.
I agree with what you said. Nioh is one of my favourite games along with many other ps games, but something is missing. Metal gear solid 4 for example, I played and finished that game 47 times. Since then, my record with the most playthroughs was 12, in dark souls 3. Heroes 3 might and magic is a 21 years old game, and if you download the hota version you are going to see thousands of players in the multiplayer lobby. What made this game so playable??? They look all fun, I love challenges, even those lvl 1 runs, but again something very important is missing. A few months ago I went back to ps1 games and I had the same feeling of excitement as I used to when I play them for the very first time. In 10 years if I want to go back to dark souls or battlefield it will never be the same. To conclude, It seems like the devs are working only on the size of the maps (AC odyssey), complex mechanics (nioh) and graphics (horizon zero down). But they are missing one of the most important ingredient which makes the game a part of our hearts. In regards to Nioh, they focused too much on the mecanics, the story is decent, but man I wished to see new areas.
Wow 47 times?? I still haven't played Metal Gear Solid 4 at all - need to add that to my list!
Just subbed. Your content is great man, cheers. I really hope TN sees this. I'm almost finished with NG+ lvl 210, still pretty low, I love the game, but I'm starting to wonder what the point is. Sure I wanna become God Tier, but repetitive grinding the same things is tiresome, especially with some killer new games coming out pretty soon. I hope they unleash some surprises. Keep up the great work.
i am using Master Swordsman set combining with 2 piece of Yoshitsune for my sword build. Now I am in NG++. I do agree with you. Even I have not finished NG++, I feel like I don't want to play anymore. It is getting boring to go over the boss again and again. It is necessary to have a good end for a good game instead of just trapping the players inside it. Thanks for speaking out these points. Hopefully, team ninja could hear this.
Me being a fan of arpgs. If you’re trying to get the top 1% best gear with all the star skills it need to be really really hard to achieve. Look at Diablo 2, 3 and PoE. All wildly successful and loved games and it’s a extreme grind fest to get the best gear. Not even the top players on the leaderboards have the best gear. I’ve never gotten the perfect gear in any of those games and I’ve played them a lot.
You can create a cool/fun build without having perfect gear in Nioh 2. So from an arpg players point of view, the grind isn’t too much. I’m fine with having the correct grace and not the star skill I want because I can still have fun with the build I have in mind and clear the content.
I do agree that Yokai shift is not fun to use so I avoid using it as well. And we need good end game content. Although I’m not a fan of Nioh 1s abyss so I’d rather they invent something else.
Sets/graces need to be created in a way to increase build diversity. Having some restrictions while pushing damage/survivalbility towards some aspects of the game. Having damage buff on single skills is not the way to go. Being too loose is also not the way to go (referring to active skill damage, poisoned, elemental damage etc). I like the Versatility effect from Benzaiten and the Singular Mastery effect from Tosa set.
Spot on man! Every point you made is exactly right. There definitely are problems in Nioh 2, for sure; but I think a lot of people are just complaining cuz they can't get what they want/ or can't get stupid OP.
@@ricardodarcangelo2437 Yeah I see a lot of build guides on YT that focuses on one shoting bosses. The same with Nioh 1 really with LW builds where you cleared the hardest content while being invulnerable.
But I guess these players is a sizeable portion of the Nioh community simply because this is a supposed hard "souls like" game but unlike the other hard "souls like" games this game lets you become super OP and destroy it's content. So I do understand that the grind is a huge con for them.
But there are other types of players in the Nioh community too (like us who don't mind the grind and like a good challange). And TN need to cater to us too.
I think the biggest flaw in Nioh 2 is the balance of the economy. The time you spend on grinding for gear, grinding for resources, crafing and clearing content over the time you play this game isn't balanced.
And I do think that save scumming or kodama trading is a super boring form of grinding. I'd much rather kill dudes to grind than kodama trading.
I do hope they make some sort of D3 style greater rift variant for Nioh 2. it's simple, varied and satisfying enough to grind for a long time. Leader boards would be cool too.
Excellent points and I completely agree! By the 3rd DLC in Nioh 1, I was completely burnt out, I didn't even touch it. Now with the 1st DLC in Nioh 2, I'm like, "What? This again?!" I guess we all should have known better. Before Nioh 2 came out (the beta), everyone was calling it just "Nioh 1.5" (cue the Jason Bateman "I don't know what I was expecting" look...)
Granted the Nioh 2 dlc is longer than 2 Nioh 1 dlc's combined and has better bosses.
99 onmyo, 99 constitution, switchglaive and splitstaff with A+ scaling, 5 pcs onmyo warrior set, unvaried magic%, rokugezo +poise, abilty damage bonus; onmyo magic defense scaling, buff intensive build with carnage and nuppeppo core. all i do is make it rain with sanmyo blades and spam the high-L1triangle ability on the staff or high-L1square on switchglaive, this combined with buffs, leech, sloth and regen makes me unstoppable and deal massive damage
As a casual player I feel like I have "finished" Nioh by completing the story of NG. NG+ looks like pointless grind for no payoff. What's the point of crafting a more powerful build if I completed the story already? What's the reward? The thing to aim for? Maybe I don't "get it" but I also enjoyed every minute of the NG and since there is no more story I fell like I have seen all it has to offer.
I completed the game on level 70ish Warrior of the East set running magic and Raijin's Claw switchglaive. Worked perfectly fine. I managed to overwhelm most of the bosses with debuffs, avatar buffs and aggression.
I also feel like NG+ and ++ players know what they are getting into from the start. They know they are not going to see any new story and the goal is better gear. So asking for an endpoint is kind of pointless because that endpoint, IMO, is with you the player. You decided to embark on a re-tread of a familiar path with your motivation being better gear and spending more time with the blacksmith. That's it. You made your choice. You can always at any point call it a day and move on. I don't mean that disrespectfully, just as a matter of fact.
I'm not super invested though so I may not "get it" compared to career players.
And there it is. You get it man.
Well great vid as always i just started using some grace 3 benz bow and riffle i didnt want to change my build being using ninja build since the start kato i feel like my build has gotten weaker for some reason so i begin tweeking playing with gardian spirit yoki shift a waste of time am stronger playing regularly than switching to yoki form
I'm using the Dual sword master armour set bonus, along with a few items from the Kurama swordmaster set bonus
I agree with everything you said, i haven't played since the last DLC just to check out the new weapon and grind a bit on DOTD but a few days after that i stopped playing, its a good game but theres nothing making me to get back in it and play consistently
It's been a while since I logged into Nioh 2. Main reason being what you described. I love this game to death, and I loved the first game to death too, but I don't feel like there is anything left to do after completing the game.
Also, I'm using the birthright set bonus. The one where timed blocks give you regeneration.
Good points, the grinding is not as rewarding as it should be considering the whole point of grinding is to become more powerful. Aside from that my big gripe is the inventory. Either remove the item limit for the inventory or at least allow us to destroy items in the storehouse without making us put them back into the inventory first. I don't need to spend any more hours messing with this annoying inventory system, deciding what and what not to keep, tedious process, worrying about giving up something I might want to use later.
Also, although the picture scrolls were an excellent addition I'd like more of an explanation on how to get them. I know about the white grave revenants which for some reason there's way too few of in the game, but what about how to get one from completing a picture scroll mission in expedition. I noticed that I do acquire most of the picture scrolls as a helper after completing a mission with a host, however most of the cooler picture scrolls that I really want I will play through in expedition as a helper and not obtain them afterward, even if I message and ask the host to replay and complete the same scroll multiple times. What's up with that?
If Yokai shift didn't give you another lifebar there would be reason for it to be buffed. It is fine as a panic button or life insurance but I wouldn't mind if it lost this property if it meant it could be buffed in other areas.
After I got into DoD, I stopped using any set bonuses off armor. I use Onmyo/Heart/Magic. It's not top tier op, but it works for me. I use a split grace set with the two that give bonuses to onmyo magic on the Samurai General set.