@@whitestallion531 my bike does 0-60 in around 3.5 and the quartermile in around 11.7so I know what you mean but cars that run 0-60 under 6 still feel fun to me..now my bike does feel slow compared to a 1000cc sportbike or a p100d Tesla tho that's for sure.
@@whitestallion531 that's so true lol and I feel it in my head and also my hands as the bike kinda Yanks away from your hands a little bit like small tugs
I agree and I own a Mustang and put a tuner on mine and it came alive...This Dodge looks amazing and would love to own either !! Wish I’d got the 2018 instead of the 2012!! Gen1 vs Gen3 5.0
I wouldn’t mind having a Mustang, but I love that low end torque, I love in my hellcat I can just do vicious burn outs, and when I’m on the freeway and I hit it it goes quick!
I appreciate your honesty... I have never been beat by a R/T or Scat Pack on the street even from a roll. Traction and power delivery is the key from the Mustang 5.0. Both cars are awesome and get the job done!!!
@@richardlong8014 wth? I drive my 2013 Boss 302 as it was designed. Beat the hell out of it on track. A performance car in general was tested at high rpm. My car has been solid beaten it's whole life
i agree with you 100%... Racer X is very honest about his comparisons... thank you Racer X for the great video and i hope to meet you both someday at a track. you 2 look like very fun and nice couple...
@@RacerX9 Yeeh i thought you were going to suger coet for the Dodge but you kepted it reel n true but i think meybe do uh do over n put the Michelins on the Dodge reer end, i got to sey honestly i too think the Dodge will do much better, coming from en 2019.5 Musteng GT 5.0 6 sp.menuel PP1 owner (sticken keys).
Great work Racer X......I finally sold my Scat and last week purchased a low mile 16 Hellcat Challenger. You were right...it is the car I could never have gotten the Scat to be. Holy crap....has to be experienced to understand.
Pretty tough sledding getting the cars to hook up. Hell even the 5.7 is really hard to get to hook up on the street! I appreciate the Sneaker Pimps clip you snuck in there! haha. Cheers
I own a scat pack, and I discovered putting it in manual, you'll spin a bit in first gear but when you shift in to second gear it almost instantly gets grip and then boom you're gone.
Even though you had trouble putting the power down with all that torque in cold conditions, the scatpack looks like it is more controllable. The mustang looked like it was a handful.
That’s what I love about Mustangs. Smaller engines than Brand X, but usually more efficient and the go to for a street racer, since the Fox body days...
I think you make a good point in ref to how each car makes it's power differently. The Mustang with it's DOHC VVT 4 valve per cylinder engine has to rev way up to realize it's potential. The 10 speed auto definitely helps. I could here the Coyote engine shifting multie times keeping the revs up high with minimal lag.
It's RPM they have the exact same planetaries in the trans and trans gear ratios...bet the mustang is 3.55 and not the 3.15s my mustang was it was horrifically slow on the hit stock..
This was a fun video. It's so funny that you have that intro about hey look this is what's going on here and people claiming/show rediculously low results but you have experience and know what you are doing and still are getting close to 5sec on the street. For a year I've been trying to get my tuned 19" VR30 Q50 into the 3.9 category and it's been a big struggle even though every one else tuned VR30 3.0t seems to find it so easy. I started out at 4.7-4.9 0-60 on the street but with a new tuner and better rear 275 tires I got down to 4.2 sec on the everyday street. I've had a few cars performance over the last 10 years where my car's performance never quite matches up to the internet's crowd's hype/numbers. Just funny how that works out. Sometimes leads me to think Dallas streets and or climate is cursed.
I use a track trans street diff combo set up and it works well for me with my 2019 charger scat. On the stock smaller tires I’ve hit the magic 4.3 0-6 probably was on an 18 of a tank at the time, on the on ramp to the parkway. I pressed, prayed and held on. I’ve never seen a challenger, charger head to head. I wonder. Love your videos. Thanks.
Great comparison! Best 0-60 in my Widebody Scat is 4.2 bone stock. I think the tires make all the difference. The Widebody's hook up pretty well even on the stock tires.
@@huntn0073 I have a scatpack, and I’m telling you... stock for stock.. mustang in the end always wins.. especially because they have some NASTY top end.
The Nexen Drag Radials that come standard on my 1320 really do a good job on the street. I had a 6speed Shaker Scat before the 1320 and traction with the Goodyear 245's was a complete joke. But the Nexens handle the power WAY better. Perhaps you should get some for Mrs X's Scat. I find them to be a great street tire. I haven't been to a prepped drag strip with my car, but I am more than happy with the way the 1320 handles and launches on the street. The car is completely stock with a hellcat airbox and tube and K&N drop in filter. Also I feel the Demon's adaptive suspension in the 1320 really helps it launch. Great video. Thanks for the content. Steve
Well I can’t say that the end result was much of a surprise to anyone lol. I trust your honesty, judgment, and experience with these performance vehicles; it just makes us that much more confident that the comparisons and reviews are fair. I will say that perhaps a 0-60 test on the street street surface just isn’t the best way to measure the two vehicles..well you did show us how unsafe it could be if the two cars were next to each other trying to race on a regular day LOL. I would love to see perhaps a 40 roll or a 60-130 with the two cars. Does the scat pack have enough hp and torque to hold off against that top end power on the coyote? Nonetheless I had a damn good laugh at this video. Very entertaining.
Thanks buddy.. much appreciated.. Yes if it had been a little warmer that might have helped. The stang is a beast on the top end. maybe a 30-100 is right measure..
Really like the real world approach to this, most people aren't thinking about racing while just casually driving around then another fast car pulls up and all of a sudden they want to race
I daily a 05 gt. My car isn’t fast by no means of today’s standards.but still ppl try to race me from time to time.knowing damn well they gonna win.or they’ll hover next to me while I’m just cruising .
Great comparison between what is more common cars on the street...that’s a huge weight disparity between the two! So, to be fairly close in a roll race, you probably gonna have to know where your car is making power...can you do 30 - 60, and maybe 60 - 80...in Mexico of course🤔
I run 305 on my Scat from a roll its a little better but in sport mode if I make a pass on the Highway it still chirps tires when I step on it. Love the channel X ❤
I had a 2020 scatpack charger last year 0-60 in 4.2 seconda but i hydroplaned in January with bald tires but im now getting a 2021 widebody charger in a week and a half just waiting on it to be delivered
Great video. I have a 2020 widebody and on the stock 305 tires with stock tire pressure I regularly put down 4.5 or better. Shows how much tire size plays in.
Another reason that the Scat Pack had a harder time putting power down is that extra 500 lbs, give or take, that it weighs over the Mustang. It requires more frictional force (traction) to get the car moving forward because the friction has to overcome the extra weight, AND it has a slightly worse front to rear weight distribution than the Mustang, hurting it even further. As an aside, if you look at the torque at the wheels of the Mustang in 1st gear with the A10,, it's very high because of the overall gear ratios, so the torque is there: 420 ft-lbs x 4.7 x 3.55 (for PP1) = 7008 ft-lbs delivered to the rear axles. The Scat pack is: 475 ft-lbs x 4.71 x 3.09 = 6,913 ft-lbs. The difference is the Scat pack is making that torque lower in engine speed, thus, slower car speed, thus, also harder to put down.
Cold tires are the biggest factor as to the reason why the 0-60's are so low. Especially with summer tires in sub 50-60 degree weather. I was able to achieve 4.56 0-60 in the stang (similar set up to the one tested) with Michelin AS3+ all seasons. (Kansas, 61 degrees ambient)
Like how we are comparing a scatpack to a GT. R/T vs a GT is the closer comparison. I'm a fan of both cars, so there's not really any bias towards any Brand. Just a better comparison
@@xqcpog7597 apparently you can't see the big picture. Weight, horsepower, and torque are only part of the equation. Price is another . Cost to upgrade etc etc.. But I'm sure you took that into the equation since your such smart guy;) Nice try. Comeback when you have something useful to argue about 😉
Came on to the video out of curiosity since my GF has a 2017 stickshift 5.0 and I’ve got a 2021 Charger RT. Sucks to have the slower car in the relationship, but I’m at ease knowing that I can save my money since the Scatpack won’t boost my ego (was going to trade in the RT). Thanks for the video. Well done as always.
On a cold day accurate 0-60 tests are almost impossible. If both cars had drag radials on a prepped surface like a dragstrip, the Scat Pack would win that test. I own a Procharged Mustang V6 and I generally get either car off the line because I can get traction. My car has very little torque at low RPM, 4.10 gears, and a higher stall torque converter. My 0-60 is 4 seconds giver or take about a tenth depending on the weather on drag radials. On the street with summer tires, I can get anywhere from a 4.5-5.2 seconds depending on the weather. If the temperature is in the low 50s or less, I don't even bother to try. As soon as the supercharger kicks in I lose traction. I've raced quite a few GTs and Scat Packs. The Scat Pack is quicker than the Mustang up to the eighth mile. However, the Mustang comes on strong after that. The Mustang has the advantage of being able to rev higher mainly because it has variable valve timing that controls the intake and exhaust valves independently. You can't do that with a pushrod engine that has a single camshaft like the Hemi. The 392 offsets that advantage with more displacement than the 5.0 Coyote. It's pretty much a driver's race in the quarter mile. In a roll race, the Mustang has the advantage.
@@johndoe-ei5cm that's true. the automatics with the performance package will give you 3.55 but with a manual you can choose anywhere between I believe a 3.15 to a 3.73 and a 3.73 makes a big difference
Tire compound similarities matter more than tire width, in my opinion. While both are 275mm in rear tire width, the MT were definitely a better tire offering better grip
The best 0-60 time I ever hit with my 2020 mustang GT 10 speed PP1 (per the internal accelerometer and on PS4S tires) was 4.5-4.6. The more common time for me is 4.7-4.9.
I banged out a 4.4 in my Challenger T/A 392 6 speed. I babied it out of the hole and didn't hammer on it until 3 grand in first gear. The outside temperature was mid 80s.
I get a very consistent 5.1 seconds from my 2010 Ford Flex Ecoboost. She’s heavy, but the all wheel drive helps make up for it. I’m thinking a little bit of methanol/water spray to the intake charge should get me well under 5s. Someone above mentioned cars that run under six seconds; Yes they are definitely fun to drive no matter what they are!
Great content as always sir. This triggered an interesting thought for me. In the days of carburetors, cooler air increased performance. It has been my (anecdotal) experience that my newer vehicles are down on power in cooler air. I’m sure it has to do with air delivery, and fuel mapping, but I’ve not been able to find a reliable source to explain this. Not part of your presentation, just got me thinking. Stay safe 👍, Chuck
I am def a MOPAR guy, but I truly dig and appreciate you being as unbiased, neutral and honest as possible. You need to be in politics!!! Be safe brother, great content
Love both cars, but these 6.4 cars are badass. The mustang gt has to really rev to feel strong, while the 6.4 is a brute. I don't even car if the gt is faster to 60 or in the 1/4. The 6.4 is just more fun.
When I had my 2015 8-speed automatic Scat if you barely tapped the throttle she would spin the tires. Those cars are all jumpy low end torque. Very fun cars to drive around town! 😁
Like you said there are alot of variables that go into 0-60 times, so they don't paint the whole picture for your driving experience. I enjoy the low end torque and sound of a HEMI.
Thankyou sir for the comparisons. I enjoy the “real world” driving tests as this relates to someone pulling next to ya at the red light, and thinking they have a quicker car. I have personally surprised a few muscle cars when I run a 4 flat, and 12 second quarter in my Audi Quattro. I also use the dragy to verify but my difference is 0 wheel spin:)
If you just use the drag strip mode you'll get a 4.4 just simply by flooring it, however I have the 20-in wheels and the optional rear axle ratio along with a 10-speed, I'm a pretty happy camper LOL
My Scat Pack Challenger with 275's on a 75 degree morning has a best of 4.0 sec. I have several 4.1 and 4.2 sec 0 to 60. Now with 40 and 50 degree mornings I can barely (with mush prayer) get 4.6 to 4.7 sec. I have lots of 5.1's too. Same tire air pressure, and launch technique. These cars make serious power in cool temps.
Too much questions here. Could be some spinning in the higher rpm on 2nd gear leading to a quicker 0-60. I have to be skeptical to the 3.7s figure. I have a 392 and would be happy if the car puts down these figures but man that is a far fetch... by far!
Great video! Crazy I could get an easy 5.5 in my N. I just bought a 2018 10R80! Loving every minute so far my best on some crap kumho tires is a 4.5 according to the in car timer.
Both are awesome but apples and oranges Mustang is a spots car and will always corner better. The Challenger is a muscle car. Prolly still can't beat the pony but damn it's badass
RacerX yep. scat should win 1/8 on track 9/10 times with the torque getting put down. hopefully my redeye charger will be able to with radials and a launch in 2nd gear lol
I have a 2019 Scat Pack 1320, and in drag mode on the street with 30lbs of air (my normal pressure for daily driving) I have gotten a best of 3.6 to 60 mph on the street. Happened only once in perfect air. But I consistently get 3.9 it doesn't matter if I use trans brake or just punch and go. The trans brake doesn't seem to do much for a non prep surface. So that goes to show how much better it launches because of the standard Nexen Drag Radial 275's and the adaptive suspension from the Demon. The best time I ever got in my 2016 Shaker Scat Pack Challenger with the 6speed manual was a 4.2, but that only happened once in perfect air. Traction was too much of a factor with the standard Goodyear 245's on that car. Plus launching in a manual car was a bit trickier. Other than that, I was lucky to get 4.7 consistently. Great video. Steve
Love the video,without actually racing the two cars. I am definitely old school.Back in the late sixties early seventies,that’s what it was all about. Pulling up at a red light and best driver, car combination win. And thinking back just running street tires,it was a lot slicker at the drag strip,than it was on the street.
@@kwilliams3161 it was a lot of fun. Cruising Main Street,picking a race and head out of town. I know it’s been basically 50 years, but times have really changed. If you could drive,9 times out of 10 the 4 speeds were faster. Don’t know how old you are, but in a great time now as far as powerful cars. These cars are ridiculously fast.
My Mustang GT 1080R with 480hp (Ford Performances Cold air intake kit with 87mm throttle body and procal 4 tune) like the Bullitt never loses any traction in Sportmode +. And I have yet to lose a non prepped race except to a Porsche or a car with a big time launch control and comparable horsepower.
Had to go outside and try a 0 to 60 today in my Scat Pack after watching this video. 37 degrees outside 275 General Gmax AS on the rear 245s on front, sport mode with traction control on ran a 4.2 and 4.5. I don't understand why you couldn't get the Scat Pack under 5 seconds even in the cold.
It was likely the surface and the grains in the air. If your getting 4.2 on a legit bare street that is extremely impressive in 37 degree weather. Did you reduce your tire pressures?
@@RacerX9 I live in the country so it is on plain country roads. Running 33 psi in my tires. I have no idea what the da is. I am using the 0 to 60 timer in my car not sure if it is accurate. I actually got a 3.9 this past summer on the same roads and a 12.3 in the quarter mile.
@@RacerX9 I just put new Continental Exteme 255 on the back of my R/T classic and ran 4.73 earlier today and followed that up with a 5.1 because I thought it was a fluke. It's an m6 with a stage 2 chip and some performance coils and plugs and that's about it.. pretty much stock. It was the EVIC timer though, so take it for what it's worth.
@@C63Ahmed no a 10 speed gt is faster than a gt350, gt350 is a track car so its a little heavier than a gt because of diff and oil coolers and heavy duty suspension that's why it handles so well and it only comes with a manual. a gt 10 speed is crazy fast and I've seen videos of them keeping up with hellcats to about 120 miles an hour then the hellcat pulls away because of the horsepower difference and weight doesn't matter as much.
The Scatpack numbers are way off. I just traded my Shaker in for a 2020 Scat Pack with the F1 Goodyear Stock tire. I pulled under 5 with the stock tires while in track mode
Those Michelin Pilot Sports on the Mustang are a great tire. I have the same on my Scatpack Shaker. ( 275/40-20 ) On the street, (the on board computer) manages a 4.7 zero to 60. Tire pressure at 40PSI !! 😲 I would love to see you do a comparison between the on board computer in the Scatpack with the Dragy.
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People don't understand how fast anything under 5 seconds is in real life..... honestly anything under 6 is a fun time.
10-4 on that! 0-60 under 6 sec. is a quick, fun car!
Till a car that do mid 3s or high 2s go right pass you.
Dexter Sullen 'TRUTH' i mean you’ll never win every race
@@whitestallion531 my bike does 0-60 in around 3.5 and the quartermile in around 11.7so I know what you mean but cars that run 0-60 under 6 still feel fun to me..now my bike does feel slow compared to a 1000cc sportbike or a p100d Tesla tho that's for sure.
@@whitestallion531 that's so true lol and I feel it in my head and also my hands as the bike kinda Yanks away from your hands a little bit like small tugs
Love both cars, currently driving a challenger RT.
But camaros, challengers, mustangs 😍I like em all.
I love when people see the beauty in all of them.
Now you know you gotta upgrade to the GT and not the scat pack lol
@@randyr77323 No lie I'm debating if I should buy a gt350 or a charger scat pack.
Love this. I drive a 2018 Mustang GT but I'm a fan of them all. Never understood why car people close themselves off to other brands
@@andrewhaley7426 They're closed minded.
I always love the comparisons no matter the outcome🔥
Thank you my friend
I agree and I own a Mustang and put a tuner on mine and it came alive...This Dodge looks amazing and would love to own either !! Wish I’d got the 2018 instead of the 2012!! Gen1 vs Gen3 5.0
@@markk709 2012 s197 is more than capable! Fbo and e85 and that thing moves!
I wouldn’t mind having a Mustang, but I love that low end torque, I love in my hellcat I can just do vicious burn outs, and when I’m on the freeway and I hit it it goes quick!
The hellcat is just a angry beast lol.. but thats part of the fun lol
Try a blower mustang then?
@@TheAdamone92 yeah people don't realize just how supercharging a Coyote 5.0 GT alone can take it to 720 hp.
I appreciate your honesty... I have never been beat by a R/T or Scat Pack on the street even from a roll. Traction and power delivery is the key from the Mustang 5.0. Both cars are awesome and get the job done!!!
I've had my buddy with his scat pack get me on a roll race when he got the jump. Whenever we launched at the same time I always pulled on him.
If you really think one car is faster every time, you are delusional. Racing is a good way to shorten the life of any car.
@@richardlong8014 wth? I drive my 2013 Boss 302 as it was designed. Beat the hell out of it on track. A performance car in general was tested at high rpm. My car has been solid beaten it's whole life
Of course it is a mustang I have a RT stock Challenger and Honda Accord hack back destroyed the mustang 5.0 mustang gt like like nothing stop lying
@@doloressalgado3427 smh, u on drugs or sum???
I like the way you do your comparisons they are honest and straight forward
As always stay safe and healthy?
Thank you James
i agree with you 100%... Racer X is very honest about his comparisons... thank you Racer X for the great video and i hope to meet you both someday at a track. you 2 look like very fun and nice couple...
@@RacerX9 Yeeh i thought you were going to suger coet for the Dodge but you kepted it reel n true but i think meybe do uh do over n put the Michelins on the Dodge reer end, i got to sey honestly i too think the Dodge will do much better, coming from en 2019.5 Musteng GT 5.0 6 sp.menuel PP1 owner (sticken keys).
The difference in the widebody scat pack is so crazy, i never ran over 5 seconds 0-60
same with my GT PP1. Tires matter so much. I average a 4.3-4.4 on the street and 3.8-4.1 on track. These stock 245 they through on cars are shit
normal 2020 scat got 4.3 first run on slight uphill
@@MrMegaMrfancy Sure it did
@@poopinator22 lol
@@poopinator22 I’ve ran a 4.4 on the street with 245 factory tires at sea level.
Great work Racer X......I finally sold my Scat and last week purchased a low mile 16 Hellcat Challenger. You were right...it is the car I could never have gotten the Scat to be. Holy crap....has to be experienced to understand.
niiice. ill get that hellcat charger one day lol
Ima forge my internals and add twin turbos it will definitely be what a hellcat is in terms of speed but different setup
Pretty tough sledding getting the cars to hook up. Hell even the 5.7 is really hard to get to hook up on the street! I appreciate the Sneaker Pimps clip you snuck in there! haha. Cheers
Absolutely.. spin spin sugar lol
Racer X, Always enjoy your videos. You are always fair and open with the opinions of different vehicles, thank you for keeping things true.
You bet Aaron.. much appreciated
Love your videos man! Such a natural narration, really is enjoyable to watch. You can tell how enthused you are, and how much you love these machines!
The best move you did in this video was putting your tires on scatpack, always on point good job 👍🏻
I own a scat pack, and I discovered putting it in manual, you'll spin a bit in first gear but when you shift in to second gear it almost instantly gets grip and then boom you're gone.
Even though you had trouble putting the power down with all that torque in cold conditions, the scatpack looks like it is more controllable. The mustang looked like it was a handful.
It looked more like a road problem to me
It looked more controllable because it was going slower 😂
That’s what I love about Mustangs. Smaller engines than Brand X, but usually more efficient and the go to for a street racer, since the Fox body days...
Ford for the win 🏆
😂 the monster truck
LOL.. a little bumpy
Both are awesome cars! That 5.0 really makes a ton of power all things considered.
Your Chris Farley clip killed me lol
lol .. good ole Chris
I think you make a good point in ref to how each car makes it's power differently.
The Mustang with it's DOHC VVT 4 valve per cylinder engine has to rev way up to realize it's potential. The 10 speed auto definitely helps. I could here the Coyote engine shifting multie times keeping the revs up high with minimal lag.
It's RPM they have the exact same planetaries in the trans and trans gear ratios...bet the mustang is 3.55 and not the 3.15s my mustang was it was horrifically slow on the hit stock..
This was a fun video. It's so funny that you have that intro about hey look this is what's going on here and people claiming/show rediculously low results but you have experience and know what you are doing and still are getting close to 5sec on the street.
For a year I've been trying to get my tuned 19" VR30 Q50 into the 3.9 category and it's been a big struggle even though every one else tuned VR30 3.0t seems to find it so easy. I started out at 4.7-4.9 0-60 on the street but with a new tuner and better rear 275 tires I got down to 4.2 sec on the everyday street. I've had a few cars performance over the last 10 years where my car's performance never quite matches up to the internet's crowd's hype/numbers. Just funny how that works out. Sometimes leads me to think Dallas streets and or climate is cursed.
At least it was a fair unbiased review I own a Mustang and watch your channel
I use a track trans street diff combo set up and it works well for me with my 2019 charger scat. On the stock smaller tires I’ve hit the magic 4.3 0-6 probably was on an 18 of a tank at the time, on the on ramp to the parkway. I pressed, prayed and held on. I’ve never seen a challenger, charger head to head. I wonder.
Love your videos. Thanks.
I have a 21 Scat Pack, and I have done 5 sec flat in street mode on an asphalt driveway.
Great comparison! Best 0-60 in my Widebody Scat is 4.2 bone stock. I think the tires make all the difference. The Widebody's hook up pretty well even on the stock tires.
Tires but they also have a stiffer suspension
@@AsapRockyOG Yes sir the Widebody Scat Packs have the stiffest suspension of all the Challengers.
The Mustang has the power to run 4.4s and 4.5s BUT you must have thick tires that are warmed up to handle the torque
Line lock the mustang, it helps a lot, even with some crappy tires you can get way better results.
@@mobent912 yeah you’re doing something wrong
Both cars feature line lock.
@UTubeCorruptAntiFreeSpeechLiberalCo it allows you to rev higher
Just picked up a 20 Charger Scat in Octane Red. You sir are a bad influence........... Thanks for all your videos and info.
awesome.. hope you love your new car
@@RacerX9 I got to drive it home about 140 miles. Was amazing good drive. Even on I15 north cutting through Vegas.....
Down side off all that torque. Would love to see a roll race between these 2 cars
Mustang wins every time
@@CarlosGarcia-ry4kf there's been alot of videos that show the opposite
@@huntn0073 I have a scatpack, and I’m telling you... stock for stock.. mustang in the end always wins.. especially because they have some NASTY top end.
Yes the mustang has several miles an hour over the scatpack in the quarter mile. The Scat gets the edge in the 8th .. at least on a prepped surface
I've seen alot of scats gap 5.0s on the quarter
The Nexen Drag Radials that come standard on my 1320 really do a good job on the street. I had a 6speed Shaker Scat before the 1320 and traction with the Goodyear 245's was a complete joke. But the Nexens handle the power WAY better. Perhaps you should get some for Mrs X's Scat. I find them to be a great street tire. I haven't been to a prepped drag strip with my car, but I am more than happy with the way the 1320 handles and launches on the street. The car is completely stock with a hellcat airbox and tube and K&N drop in filter. Also I feel the Demon's adaptive suspension in the 1320 really helps it launch. Great video. Thanks for the content. Steve
Well I can’t say that the end result was much of a surprise to anyone lol. I trust your honesty, judgment, and experience with these performance vehicles; it just makes us that much more confident that the comparisons and reviews are fair.
I will say that perhaps a 0-60 test on the street street surface just isn’t the best way to measure the two vehicles..well you did show us how unsafe it could be if the two cars were next to each other trying to race on a regular day LOL. I would love to see perhaps a 40 roll or a 60-130 with the two cars. Does the scat pack have enough hp and torque to hold off against that top end power on the coyote? Nonetheless I had a damn good laugh at this video. Very entertaining.
Thanks buddy.. much appreciated.. Yes if it had been a little warmer that might have helped. The stang is a beast on the top end. maybe a 30-100 is right measure..
Yes it does have enough power and torque it's 300lbs heavier and it's frontal area isn't cutting thru the air like a mustang....
Really like the real world approach to this, most people aren't thinking about racing while just casually driving around then another fast car pulls up and all of a sudden they want to race
I daily a 05 gt. My car isn’t fast by no means of today’s standards.but still ppl try to race me from time to time.knowing damn well they gonna win.or they’ll hover next to me while I’m just cruising .
Great comparison between what is more common cars on the street...that’s a huge weight disparity between the two! So, to be fairly close in a roll race, you probably gonna have to know where your car is making power...can you do 30 - 60, and maybe 60 - 80...in Mexico of course🤔
I run 305 on my Scat from a roll its a little better but in sport mode if I make a pass on the Highway it still chirps tires when I step on it. Love the channel X ❤
I had a 2020 scatpack charger last year 0-60 in 4.2 seconda but i hydroplaned in January with bald tires but im now getting a 2021 widebody charger in a week and a half just waiting on it to be delivered
Great video. I have a 2020 widebody and on the stock 305 tires with stock tire pressure I regularly put down 4.5 or better. Shows how much tire size plays in.
On a 392 scat i have 275 but i might put 295 should i ? Or go 305?
I think, you can test both from 60 to 120 or so, that would show us the differences without the spinning issue.... greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷
😆😆😆 those faces with the Scat wheel spins 😆😆 the look of a disappointed father
Another reason that the Scat Pack had a harder time putting power down is that extra 500 lbs, give or take, that it weighs over the Mustang. It requires more frictional force (traction) to get the car moving forward because the friction has to overcome the extra weight, AND it has a slightly worse front to rear weight distribution than the Mustang, hurting it even further. As an aside, if you look at the torque at the wheels of the Mustang in 1st gear with the A10,, it's very high because of the overall gear ratios, so the torque is there: 420 ft-lbs x 4.7 x 3.55 (for PP1) = 7008 ft-lbs delivered to the rear axles. The Scat pack is: 475 ft-lbs x 4.71 x 3.09 = 6,913 ft-lbs. The difference is the Scat pack is making that torque lower in engine speed, thus, slower car speed, thus, also harder to put down.
Cold tires are the biggest factor as to the reason why the 0-60's are so low. Especially with summer tires in sub 50-60 degree weather. I was able to achieve 4.56 0-60 in the stang (similar set up to the one tested) with Michelin AS3+ all seasons. (Kansas, 61 degrees ambient)
Like how we are comparing a scatpack to a GT. R/T vs a GT is the closer comparison. I'm a fan of both cars, so there's not really any bias towards any Brand. Just a better comparison
How? A R/T is 370 horsepower but weighs more vs a GT of 460 horsepower and weighs less? Are u that stupid?
@@xqcpog7597 apparently you can't see the big picture. Weight, horsepower, and torque are only part of the equation. Price is another . Cost to upgrade etc etc.. But I'm sure you took that into the equation since your such smart guy;) Nice try. Comeback when you have something useful to argue about 😉
This guy did not want the scat to win at all I’m dead
SPINNING AIN'T WINNING
Your definitely right about that buddy
@@RacerX9 I wonder how wider scat pack widebody tires would change the outcome.
@@bartekskadowski3360 tires being the same, the 5.0 will win.
@@TheAdamone92
With grip the low end torque of the scat would get it out the whole and up to 60mph quicker.
@@markurbancowboy tell that to the posted times, people I've raced, and these vids then. Idk how much proof you need but it's easy to find
Came on to the video out of curiosity since my GF has a 2017 stickshift 5.0 and I’ve got a 2021 Charger RT. Sucks to have the slower car in the relationship, but I’m at ease knowing that I can save my money since the Scatpack won’t boost my ego (was going to trade in the RT). Thanks for the video. Well done as always.
On a cold day accurate 0-60 tests are almost impossible. If both cars had drag radials on a prepped surface like a dragstrip, the Scat Pack would win that test. I own a Procharged Mustang V6 and I generally get either car off the line because I can get traction. My car has very little torque at low RPM, 4.10 gears, and a higher stall torque converter. My 0-60 is 4 seconds giver or take about a tenth depending on the weather on drag radials. On the street with summer tires, I can get anywhere from a 4.5-5.2 seconds depending on the weather. If the temperature is in the low 50s or less, I don't even bother to try. As soon as the supercharger kicks in I lose traction. I've raced quite a few GTs and Scat Packs. The Scat Pack is quicker than the Mustang up to the eighth mile. However, the Mustang comes on strong after that. The Mustang has the advantage of being able to rev higher mainly because it has variable valve timing that controls the intake and exhaust valves independently. You can't do that with a pushrod engine that has a single camshaft like the Hemi. The 392 offsets that advantage with more displacement than the 5.0 Coyote. It's pretty much a driver's race in the quarter mile. In a roll race, the Mustang has the advantage.
I completely agree with your assessment 🤜🔥
Don’t forget mustang 3.73 gear option and all scats 3.07 gears
@@johndoe-ei5cm that's true. the automatics with the performance package will give you 3.55 but with a manual you can choose anywhere between I believe a 3.15 to a 3.73 and a 3.73 makes a big difference
@@jamesduncan8717 I’m curious how a 4.10 rear gear 10r80 would be/feel like
Can I put a CAI mopar air intake system for challenger T/A with the hood assembly to make fully functional for my 2020 scat pack charger
Tire compound similarities matter more than tire width, in my opinion. While both are 275mm in rear tire width, the MT were definitely a better tire offering better grip
My eco boost would dust scats all the time. They would rev on me and sit there and spin and id get my 60 mph and go on my way lol
The best 0-60 time I ever hit with my 2020 mustang GT 10 speed PP1 (per the internal accelerometer and on PS4S tires) was 4.5-4.6. The more common time for me is 4.7-4.9.
So how Car and driver/Motor trend does in less than 5 seconds…? Nice video👍
I’m subscribing this guy is really smart and doesn’t studder, (outside footage) that was funny😂 good content man
Thank you my friend
my v6 mustang lowkey might have done well here haha
you never know.. the more power you have .. the harder it is to hook in cold conditions on the street
@@RacerX9 Especially when the Sun goes down and the road cools off.
I banged out a 4.4 in my Challenger T/A 392 6 speed. I babied it out of the hole and didn't hammer on it until 3 grand in first gear. The outside temperature was mid 80s.
Yes the temperature can make a world of difference when it comes to traction..
@@RacerX9 Yep. You'd have to put 305s on for that car to get traction in the cold.
I get a very consistent 5.1 seconds from my 2010 Ford Flex Ecoboost. She’s heavy, but the all wheel drive helps make up for it. I’m thinking a little bit of methanol/water spray to the intake charge should get me well under 5s. Someone above mentioned cars that run under six seconds; Yes they are definitely fun to drive no matter what they are!
Always great content. I own a 18' GT. However I love the challenger and chargers. Such nice big boy cars.
I remember when nobody cared about 0 to 60 as long as the car can do burnouts .
Both cars will certainly do those lol
And then came along roll racing lol
I laughed when you mocked the people always commenting they have a stock 5.7 running under 4s 0-60 😂.
4.7 here son
Good stuff, you are not jaded, you drive them them all.
I love your videos man you give great reviews please never stop!!!!
Great content as always sir. This triggered an interesting thought for me. In the days of carburetors, cooler air increased performance. It has been my (anecdotal) experience that my newer vehicles are down on power in cooler air. I’m sure it has to do with air delivery, and fuel mapping, but I’ve not been able to find a reliable source to explain this. Not part of your presentation, just got me thinking. Stay safe 👍, Chuck
I am def a MOPAR guy, but I truly dig and appreciate you being as unbiased, neutral and honest as possible.
You need to be in politics!!!
Be safe brother, great content
Love both cars, but these 6.4 cars are badass. The mustang gt has to really rev to feel strong, while the 6.4 is a brute. I don't even car if the gt is faster to 60 or in the 1/4. The 6.4 is just more fun.
lol the scat be like "whats this grip you speak of" still want the boat all the way tho
When I had my 2015 8-speed automatic Scat if you barely tapped the throttle she would spin the tires. Those cars are all jumpy low end torque. Very fun cars to drive around town! 😁
Like you said there are alot of variables that go into 0-60 times, so they don't paint the whole picture for your driving experience. I enjoy the low end torque and sound of a HEMI.
Ford guy here but you can't go wrong with either one of these cars.
you always do clear concise comparrisons ty sir
Absolutely Mike
Hey can you get ahold of a 2009 ls3 C6 ? I really wanna see what it can do against modern muscle cars
Watching some of your older videos. Excellent comparison video
why does a 5.0 liter naturally aspirated have 460hp when a 5.7 liter NA has 375 (challenger RT)
Great video. I love the mopar personally. Shaker hood is sweet.
They are an absolute blast to drive
Bro laughed and said wow every run 😂😂😂😂😂
Thankyou sir for the comparisons. I enjoy the “real world” driving tests as this relates to someone pulling next to ya at the red light, and thinking they have a quicker car. I have personally surprised a few muscle cars when I run a 4 flat, and 12 second quarter in my Audi Quattro. I also use the dragy to verify but my difference is 0 wheel spin:)
If you just use the drag strip mode you'll get a 4.4 just simply by flooring it, however I have the 20-in wheels and the optional rear axle ratio along with a 10-speed, I'm a pretty happy camper LOL
Why are 20s better than smaller sizes? I just bought a Mustang with 19s.
I agree. I have the Charger version and mine feels like its ice skating with tracion on in ECO Mode on stock 245. These cars are truely torquey
4.2sec 0-60 with drag radials in your other video. Man, A sticky tire is everything with these cars...
Ah you noticed... your are exactly right..
My Scat Pack Challenger with 275's on a 75 degree morning has a best of 4.0 sec. I have several 4.1 and 4.2 sec 0 to 60. Now with 40 and 50 degree mornings I can barely (with mush prayer) get 4.6 to 4.7 sec. I have lots of 5.1's too. Same tire air pressure, and launch technique. These cars make serious power in cool temps.
Awesome video, the two clips killed me tho 😂😂😂
It would be interesting to make the comparison with a Charger Scatpack, using different tires.
My best is 3.7 2019 Dodge Charger Scatpack. All about the perfect takeoff
Damm!!
So many variables to consider .. conditions make a huge difference
Too much questions here. Could be some spinning in the higher rpm on 2nd gear leading to a quicker 0-60. I have to be skeptical to the 3.7s figure. I have a 392 and would be happy if the car puts down these figures but man that is a far fetch... by far!
Not with stock all season tires
Yeah..im gonna say i seriously doubt that if you are stock 😂
scatpack for the W (even tho it took the L)
LOL there were no losers in this test
Need tires
Great video! Crazy I could get an easy 5.5 in my N. I just bought a 2018 10R80! Loving every minute so far my best on some crap kumho tires is a 4.5 according to the in car timer.
Solid work 👍
Both are awesome but apples and oranges Mustang is a spots car and will always corner better. The Challenger is a muscle car. Prolly still can't beat the pony but damn it's badass
I can care less about times on the street,its all about fun and there is nothing i love more then a tire shredding scatpack LOL
My grandson just bought a 17 Camaro SS. Definitely another contender.
I love my 2014 5.0! Great video content 🇺🇸
Can you put a link to that device in the description? I want to get one
I believe this is it.
www.amazon.com/Dragy-Performance-Bluetooth-MAPerformance-Lanyard/dp/B07JLY5CWN
got a 3.8 in my GT PP1 on track with only cold air intake. pretty insane. And craziest thing about it is it’s better from roll
The track is definitely a different game all together 👍.. the scat typically runs low 1.7 60 foot’s
RacerX yep. scat should win 1/8 on track 9/10 times with the torque getting put down. hopefully my redeye charger will be able to with radials and a launch in 2nd gear lol
RacerX if you’re ever in Florida and want to make a video with my 1,000whp trackhawk I would love it!
I have a 2019 Scat Pack 1320, and in drag mode on the street with 30lbs of air (my normal pressure for daily driving) I have gotten a best of 3.6 to 60 mph on the street. Happened only once in perfect air. But I consistently get 3.9 it doesn't matter if I use trans brake or just punch and go. The trans brake doesn't seem to do much for a non prep surface. So that goes to show how much better it launches because of the standard Nexen Drag Radial 275's and the adaptive suspension from the Demon. The best time I ever got in my 2016 Shaker Scat Pack Challenger with the 6speed manual was a 4.2, but that only happened once in perfect air. Traction was too much of a factor with the standard Goodyear 245's on that car. Plus launching in a manual car was a bit trickier. Other than that, I was lucky to get 4.7 consistently. Great video. Steve
That’s crazy. My 2013 V6 challenger SXT runs a consistent 5.2 here in Georgia. Getting a Scat Pack this Friday!
Quit the cap 🤣🤣🤣
this dude wanted the challenger to win so bad xD
What about the wide body do you think the wider tires would help?
Curious if you've changed those tires on the Scat to 275s yet and if so, does it help with traction?
some burnouts to heat the tires up might've helped
Love the video,without actually racing the two cars. I am definitely old school.Back in the late sixties early seventies,that’s what it was all about. Pulling up at a red light and best driver, car combination win. And thinking back just running street tires,it was a lot slicker at the drag strip,than it was on the street.
I wish I could of experienced that era .now everyone wants a automatic because it’s “faster”.
@@kwilliams3161 it was a lot of fun. Cruising Main Street,picking a race and head out of town. I know it’s been basically 50 years, but times have really changed. If you could drive,9 times out of 10 the 4 speeds were faster. Don’t know how old you are, but in a great time now as far as powerful cars. These cars are ridiculously fast.
I’ll always pick the Shaker hood Scatpack over anything else. It’s just damn damn good looking.
My Mustang GT 1080R with 480hp (Ford Performances Cold air intake kit with 87mm throttle body and procal 4 tune) like the Bullitt never loses any traction in Sportmode +. And I have yet to lose a non prepped race except to a Porsche or a car with a big time launch control and comparable horsepower.
Had to go outside and try a 0 to 60 today in my Scat Pack after watching this video. 37 degrees outside 275 General Gmax AS on the rear 245s on front, sport mode with traction control on ran a 4.2 and 4.5. I don't understand why you couldn't get the Scat Pack under 5 seconds even in the cold.
It was likely the surface and the grains in the air. If your getting 4.2 on a legit bare street that is extremely impressive in 37 degree weather. Did you reduce your tire pressures?
@@RacerX9 I live in the country so it is on plain country roads. Running 33 psi in my tires. I have no idea what the da is. I am using the 0 to 60 timer in my car not sure if it is accurate. I actually got a 3.9 this past summer on the same roads and a 12.3 in the quarter mile.
I also get 4.5 in any weather on perfect hit 4.0. On stock tires. Not a wide body either.
@@RacerX9 I just put new Continental Exteme 255 on the back of my R/T classic and ran 4.73 earlier today and followed that up with a 5.1 because I thought it was a fluke. It's an m6 with a stage 2 chip and some performance coils and plugs and that's about it.. pretty much stock. It was the EVIC timer though, so take it for what it's worth.
It's closer to compare the 10speed mustang and Camaro to a hellcat than a 6.4 Dodge. Ask me how I know
I think you might be the first person I’ve ever heard say that. Why would u compare the mustang to something with 200+ more hp?
@@C63Ahmed its like 1000 pounds lighter
@@luissweeney7062 yes but still with the lack of power it can’t even compete with a hellcat a shelby gt350 would be a better comparison
@@C63Ahmed GT350's are slower than a regular GT. The gearing is too wide and it's manual only.
@@C63Ahmed no a 10 speed gt is faster than a gt350, gt350 is a track car so its a little heavier than a gt because of diff and oil coolers and heavy duty suspension that's why it handles so well and it only comes with a manual. a gt 10 speed is crazy fast and I've seen videos of them keeping up with hellcats to about 120 miles an hour then the hellcat pulls away because of the horsepower difference and weight doesn't matter as much.
Scatpacks should not come with the same size as the RT. almost 100hp difference on the same tire size haha.
Gotta get the widebody scatpack. It really puts the power down wayyy better
The Scatpack numbers are way off. I just traded my Shaker in for a 2020 Scat Pack with the F1 Goodyear Stock tire. I pulled under 5 with the stock tires while in track mode
Those Michelin Pilot Sports on the Mustang are a great tire.
I have the same on my Scatpack Shaker. ( 275/40-20 )
On the street, (the on board computer) manages a 4.7 zero to 60.
Tire pressure at 40PSI !! 😲
I would love to see you do a comparison between the on board computer in the Scatpack with the Dragy.
Yea I hadem on my my srt jeep