To all experiencing BPD and CPTSD, I see you and I hear you. I was diagnosed with both and I understand where a lot of this all comes from. Complex developmental trauma takes everything to treat and every second of it is worth it because you are all so very much worth it.
Thank you for sharing your story, it has encouraged me to speak up as well. I was recently diagnosed with CPTSD and MDD. It’s a tough healing journey, yet a journey worth the embark!
@@goetcetc564 I feel that. Feel loved by you as much as you can. Dealing with life, and being an adult is hard, but I'm lucky enough it got just better enough for me. Keep it up, you just gotta try hard and hit your lucky break. Or go all the way to the mental health stability line of your dreams. Sorry this is corny. But I empathize. I've been there too.
Thank you, it's a very kind of you. I was diagnosed with bpd, then changed into cptsd, but neither can destroy me! (I'm optimistic now, don't know what I'll become in an hour) hope you feel well too
BPD has been a diagnosis of convenience for trauma-uninformed clinicians for decades, often assigned to female patients they did not understand ("careful, she's borderline"). For anyone given this convoluted diagnosis, I would strongly encourage you to ask the clinician who diagnosed you if they are trauma-informed. If they get defensive or cannot say anything but what PTSD stands for, get another opinion. If you want to be nice, recommend the book The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk. If they haven't heard of the book... don't walk, run away.
@Niphyra Agree. Making an accurate diagnosis should take time for a clinician and should not get easier to do over time. I wish the whole diagnosis process could become obsolete or at least re-vamped to include trauma-informed diagnoses.
That book is gold when it comes to understanding trauma as a victim. I have cptsd and read this book 6 years ago, and it changed my life. I finally understood, that it was normal to get severely ill after what I had to endure for the first 18 years of my life.
You are right on target with that whole "careful, she's borderline" crap. I got a BPD diagnosis before I even got a proper cptsd diagnosis. I was just a scared kid. It is some dismissive sexism, especially for little girls with ADHD mixed in there. They have given and then retracted at least half a dozen diagnosis on me and still won't test for autism which I find to be pretty ridiculous. I'm middle-aged now, you would think they would listen to me. They have taken BPD off of my diagnosis list again I think. They keep putting it on and taking it off and putting it on taking it off and so on. Inconsistency is a real Beast in this field.
Signs it is PTSD, not BPD 1:57 1. BPD has an inconsistent self-concept 2:26 2. CPTSD usually does not provoke fear of abandonment 2:55 3. People with CPTSD are less likely to self-harm 3:20 4. with CPTSD, you are more likely to avoid relationship
@@jeanjessmommysharlyn2771 i think yes this is what the video implies but that's... Overly simplified. Not everyone with the anxious attachment style has BPD. I feel confident asserting that much.
I do have CPTSD. It’s the consequence of parental neglect, ADHD rejection and long term bullying. I don’t like to call myself a victim. I am a product of indifference and silence from relatives and educational institutions. Teachers out there. If you see patterns, not only say something, make sure you recommend mental healthcare professionals There’s a lot of single abusive/neglecting parents out there that don’t even know what they’re doing.
DM I have more of the CPSD cluster of symptoms. I and more than one therapist have said that I clearly have trauma symptoms. But I do have fluctuations between high and low self-esteem. Between grandiosity and shame.
Single parent doesn't equal abusive or neglectful. The single part is irrelevant. Let's not bash parents who work harder to play both roles without help.
When I was in elementary schools, my teachers suggested to my mom and step dad that I get tested for learning disability because I was having so much trouble learning, especially math. Every time it was suggested, both parents, especially my mother, would have a fit and shut the teachers down. How should teachers work with parents who won’t listen? I think my parents knew what they were doing to us, and that my development in school was delayed due to the trauma I experienced at a young age.
1. BPD has an inconsistent self-concept. 1:57 2. CPTSD usually does not provoke fear of abandonment. 2:26 3. People with CPTSD are less likely to self-harm. 2:55 4. With CPTSD, you are more likely to avoid relationships. 3:20
Misdiagnosis for BPD seems to happen mostly to Autistic and ADHD folks who have C-PTSD (more commonly misdiagnosed among women/femmes). I don't believe this is a coincidence. The unstable sense of self in BPD can be due to a combination of complex trauma/abuse and Autistic mirroring, while the unstable negative/positive self-image can be a combination of complex trauma/abuse and ADHD Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria. In my experience and studying, BPD diagnoses are most often given to a neurodivergent person with C-PTSD. When your Complex trauma includes tons of abandonment, esp used as a weapon by a narcissistic parent/guardian, then you absolutely will have fear of abandonment. If your C-PTSD includes a ton of bullying, you absolutely will be terrified of rejection. Rejection and bullying happen disproportionately to Neurodiverse persons. We need more neuro in our psych and more research on comorbidities. The information within academic and clinical psych is still woefully behind, underfunded, and under-researched, especially when it comes to Autism. We are only now undoing part of the extremely ableist, bigoted rhetoric that is accepted about Autism. A small part. As with everything, these subjects are much more complexly layered even than they appear.
If you or someone you love has BPD or CPTSD, remember that you're not a monster as some people portray, but rather you're a soldier fighting your inner demons and past traumas. You may have a long way to go, but you are strong and capable. Never give up and never lose sight of your loved ones. You got this. Bless you all.❤️ NOTE: CPTSD is not only found from military soldiers, but average citizens that has gone through something traumatic like car accident or witnessing death.
PTSD would be the single incidents like car accident or witnessing death as you mentioned. CPTSD is a result of repeated trauma over a long period of time. Like being abused by family or romantic partners.
I almost got diagnosted with BPD but then it turned out that I have CPTSD and my mom had BPD, and all the similar symptoms were me mirroring and projecting her in order to survive, so much that I did them unconsciously when I grew older. Psychotherapy helped a lot but still I have a long way to go!
Damn whoever helped you figure out your diagnosis did a really good job (I’m sure you played a big part in that too)!! I’ve had multiple doctors/therapists trying to figure out which diagnostic boxes my symptoms fall into for over a year now, I know other people who’ve gone decades getting the wrong diagnoses too. So many mental health professionals fail to look beyond what is immediately in front of them but that never is the whole story. I wish figuring this stuff out didn’t have to be so difficult :(
This is me also! I found being able to have space from BPD parent allowed me to grow and not show BPD symptoms as I was able to be my own person for once.
Oh crap this might be my case too. My mom's diagnosed with borderline, I'm diagnosed with borderline traits but I always felt something was different about my bpd behaviour. Or that I was a "quiet BPD" meaning I usually turn inwards and hurt myself when I feel rejection and abandonnement. But I also have a lot of trauma that's spanned out over my life, like CPTSD. Idk what to dooooo....
I can relate too! My mom isn’t diagnosed with anything because she refuses to consider there might be anything “wrong” with her. But I wonder if she has conditions like BPD and/or OCPD. My therapist and I think I have OCD (among other things) but my med prescriber thinks I have OCPD because I tick off more boxes for that than OCD, but honestly I feel like most of the traits I identified as having are things that I picked up from my mom. She’s been my primary caregiver for 26 years for better or for worse, it would be no surprise to me that she would teach me her behaviors as what a person is supposed to do. I started differentiating from her at the end of high school and she did NOT like that. I think I’ve become a better person for it, far less manipulative and needy than I used to be. I didn’t know I was doing anything wrong until I realized that my mom wasn’t normal and some of my behaviors weren’t acceptable or liked by most people. I still haven’t broken free from her to become independent yet, but I’m trying!
"Always in high alert." Hyper vigilance isn't always actively looking out for danger but behaviors that you have developed and normalized to avoid it without thinking too much about it. Such as paying attention to how people walk and the sound of their steps to perceive their mood. Switching topics when you and the person you're with were steering the conversation towards a subject that set off your abuser, thinking it'll upset them too Shutting doors and closing cabinets quietly because you got your butt jumped for letting the door close loudly behind you or your abuser slammed things a lot when they were angry. Always using headphones so you can quietly listen to whatever you want because your abuser got onto you for not keeping things quiet when you were with them.
I describe CPTSD as a cluster of many symptoms on a spectrum. You arent gonna find 2 people the same. Its like yes the overlaps, if you draw three overlapping circles with CPTSD in the center. Those 3 circles would be PTSD, borderline and bipolar disorder. This is my opinion and experiences only. Take care friends 🌱
I'm diagnosed with all three, PTSD, borderline and bipolar. And I know it's definitely CPTSD not regular PTSD because I have been abused my whole life, first by my parents and then into adolescence and adults by romantic partners. Definitely have BPD as well and have known that for a while. The bipolar I never really suspected and am still wondering whether it's the case but I'm not one to deny diagnoses.
@@MorgonBranning have you ever asked your doctor why they believe it's bipolar and not something else? If not, make sure you advocate for yourself, since you know yourself best.
@@ej62133 personally my current mental health care and meds provider just seems kinda lazy and wanted to go with the “easiest” diagnosis so they had an excuse to put me on meds. The meds don’t help or change anything they just make me really tired, meds don’t work for BPD like they do for bipolar. They literally said when they gave me a dual diagnosis BPD/bipolar that BPD sucks because it can’t be medicated but bipolar can and tried to take my BPD diagnosis when they added PTSD because of overlapping symptoms which I think is uninformed and lazy health care, you can have multiple similarly presenting disorders but they seem to have a weird fixation on wanting to simplify every symptom into one or two diagnoses. I’m looking into switching care providers soon so fingers crossed on getting actual diagnoses (including ADHD which they insist is impossible that I have because even though I have almost literally every symptom I did well in school and apparently to them you have to have had extreme trouble in school and with grades to have ADHD which just isn’t true as a blanket statement).
@@MorgonBranning I've been on both sides of the desk in the MH community as a peer, so I can relate with the frustration of doctors trying to shut clients up by flexing their credentials. Definitely look for a better fit, because it sounds as if your doctor just wants feathers in their cap instead of actually listening and working with their clients.
As an autistic, I have curious to see the similarities and differences between autism in women and BPD; it is a common misdiagnosis as well, especially in women. It is also possible to have both.
@@MaliaMydnight I was diagnosed with bpd but after watching videos of people especially females who are autistic I think I may have autism it seems most logical to me I always felt very different even feeling honestly alien. It's really hard getting medical help especially if you don't have medical aid so I struggle so much in past when trying to get a mental diagnosis I knew what I was feeling was not normal or good. So now I'm again here with struggling to go for autism diagnosis I don't know where to start health staff sometimes so mean and non understanding.
I was diagnosed as bipolar as teen, then with PTSD after Iraq, but I also think I have BPD from my F'd up childhood and I might be autistic as well. I'm guessing it's possible to be all four?
well no one wants the bpd label … everyone now wants the autistic diagnosis because it’s widely accepted and there’s no stigma like a bpd stigma. sucks but it’s true. so many women with bpd want an autistic diagnosis badly to break away from the thought of being a “bad person” … it’s an epidemic
I definitely have C-PTSD instead of the PTSD I was diagnosed with. It's basically impossible for me to trust anyone because everyone in my life proved they couldn't be trusted time and time again.
I was diagnosed with Complex PTSD a few years ago. Avoiding relationships is so huge for me. Haven't been in one since 2006. I host a podcast called The Complex PTSD Guy, I guess it's ok to mention here.
I been diagnosed BPD and to make simple it. This disorder more focus on relationship. This is our cycle 1.We attach to new person 2.we overshare our problem 3.they get tired and starting to make a distance 4.we clingy so that we can avoid abandonment 5.if they still leave us alone, we find new person. 6. Repeat it from number 1
I have cptsd from growing up with abusive and neglectful parents, a very dramatic divorce they went through in which I was placed in the care giver position, constant bullying and discrimination in educational centers I assisted, in jobs I had, a long term turned toxic relationship turned long term toxic situationship... All of which has left me in an extreme constant high alert, always analyzing and decoding people around me. Constantly denying my own needs and avoiding to ask for help. Its really tough you guys. I have isolated myself and gone through some extreme anxiety the last year. I dont know how to explain the feeling, I hope everyone going through anything like this sees the light at the end of the tunnel and finds the strength to pull through... You got this ❤️
Really enjoyed the little fusion disorder dance at 1:32 , all jokes aside, thanks for shedding light on these issues, people need to understand the severity of mental health.
These two disorders are so similar and can be difficult to differentiate. I’ve been learning about both disorders in school but this is a clear explanation of both so thank you and a great way to define childhood trauma so thank you 🙏🏽💜
@@brainy717 I think they might be in med school 😁 I do wish mental health and wellness was taught in primary school though, would alleviate so much suffering.
thanks for being respectful towards bpd. i find that most online convos surrounding bpd often boil down to either "everyone with bpd is a disgusting monster who wants to hurt you" or teenagers insisting they have it after watching a single video. was refreshing to see something more objective for once. this video was really informative, my ex has cptsd while i have bpd & it's kind of funny how accurate your descriptions were to us.
As someone who was formally diagnosed with PTSD by my psych, this video makes me want to cry. I witnessed the of my mother in my childhood, and there's definitely a sharp contrast in my mannerisms pre and post. It's a daily struggle, but I push myself to get up and live every day.
Wow! Super excited that you asked me I have a few ideas based on what is see folks conflating on and offline. 1.What is magical thinking 2. The difference between cronic mental health challenges like counterdependency and codependency and attachment styles 3. And what is the false self?
I have an inconsistent sense of self for sure and I definitely have a fear of abandonment. That’s why I tend to avoid relationships. I also have this sort of automatic self shut off switch, that when I get close to someone in a relationship, I shut off and pull away and lose interest. Happens all the time. Like…I WANT a deep and meaningful relationship, but when it gets there I lose interest in the person. I’m happier and less stressed out when things are kept at a distance, but at the same time I desire that close level of intimacy. Then when I get it I no longer want it. It’s weird. I would NEVER think about self harm though. Never in a million years. I am actually very resilient, self aware and proactive in my life. I’m an amateur boxer, I do yoga multiple times per week and I always kill it at my job. And I’m very social in my life. I know I have CPTSD, but not sure if I have BPD as well. I feel like I’m some ways I do, but I’m very mentally healthy in my daily life so idk.
I agree it's cptsd but also try to search about dismissive avoidant attachment style.. it's a cognitive behavioral therapy by ms. Thais gibson i learn a lot from it...
All that you stated it seems like my guy best friend...do you have a tendency to push people away especially if they love you or wants a serious relationship? His like that, but also wants a friend's with benefits things and made people confused with his behaviors..but for him his just being his self...
@@jeanjessmommysharlyn2771 Yeah I’m like that. It’s very hard for me to catch feelings but when I do I get terrified and I want out of the situation because I feel like I’m losing control of myself. That feeling of complete vulnerability makes me nauseous and gives me anxiety. I have a lot of love to give, but every time I’ve done it I’ve gotten pushed away and it almost broke me completely. This has happened multiple times. The last time it felt like heroin withdrawal (what I imagine heroin withdrawal to be like), I was hugging the toilet throwing up and it took me over a year to recover and not having random bouts of crying. I wouldn’t wish what I went through on my worst enemy. That is something you couldn’t pay me a billion dollars to make me go through again. So because I expect to get pushed off when I open myself up, I just don’t do it anymore. I remain detached, I seek fwb types of situations and it’s a lot better. It’s physically painful for me to be in a relationship and not open myself up. So I just don’t get into relationships.
@@nickp3949 ahhhh i didn't know that's what it feels for him... we're best friends for 3 years we had a lot of fun, playful, teasing, flirting,joking he likes that...and fwb but i always tell him why are you playing games... because he doesn't want a relationship...i keep on trying a lot of different approach..but i can't keep fwb if i do have feelings for him. So..what else can i do? I always give him some space i understand.. I don't pressure him but when it comes to commitment i guess he feel pressured...can we be friends in fb? Or your also avoidant? He never initiate in texting but once i text him, he reply fast.
This is very important thank you for bringing attention to this. My mother has bpd and I survived all the storms of her disorder as a child and I, in turn, developed cptsd, since I was in full survival mode the majority of my childhood. i share a lot of similarities to my mother as it is simply because I was raised by her, but I do not have BPD. These resources are incredibly important and its important to understand where these similarities come from in your life if you or someone you know struggle with either or both these.
i was first diagnosed with CPTSD, and then it changed to BPD. they are very alike, i feel like i could see myself in both. but after watching this video, i can see that i definitely have BPD.
Wow I've been wondering if I had BPD but everything you said about CPTSD was right on the money. Made my eyes go really wide, thank you for this video.
please make more videos about BPD! they are very informational and helpful ❤️ also, could you make a video on how to help people when they don’t want to reach for help!
@@Psych2go I would love if u make more videos about bpd too and I love this video as I was diagnosed with both and now I understand how they different from my personal daily experiences xx
My best friend is diagnosed with BPD and i got diagnosed with CPTSD, we both shared a lot of similarities, we even wondered if one of us got the wrong diagnosis but we both agreed that there are some differences between us, you mentioned all of it, thanks a lot for that.
I've been married to my husband since 2014. The descriptions your discussing has help understand more. My husband said he loves me but he's disconnected with feelings and doesn't show he love me. I'm so frustrated I want a divorce but he wants to work it out. This is hard for mw.
Thank you for making this video. Counselors with degrees need to be aware of this. It seems like a lot of people get put into the wrong category and it can really cause long term issues and a false self identity that’s really confusing.
I love ur channel! If I ever have nothing to watch on yt I immediately come over to this channel and I find myself watching at least 3 videos at a time! Your amazing
That’s interesting you were diagnosed young, I’m pretty sure that psychologists are either not allowed to diagnose people under the age of 18 with a personality disorder or it is extremely discouraged.
This is the best explanation I have seen about the differences. Thank you 👍🙂 I was diagnosed with complex-type PTSD a couple years ago, but I wasnt 100% sure if it was C-PTSD, or BPD. Now I am confident that the diagnosis was correct, it is definitely C-PTSD.
Okay this makes more sense to me now, because i always thought it was BPD symptoms that im dealing with but actually it's CPTSD. I was bullied for a very long time in school non stop, which in turn made me have nightmares of the events and people that hurt me, im 20 years old and i still get those nightmares constantly, it stresses me out and i honestly became "used" to it. My emotions are also very complex and i tend to snap at others a lot when they trigger some sort of unsolved trauma that i still deal with. Which ruined quite a lot for me. Even having a steady job is hard because i think being around people who i dont even know will in turn repeat the same traumatic event i've experienced. This video made me understand my mental health a bit more, sadly i don't have the the money to cover any therapy costs or medication costs.
I have BPD, am an avid #MentalHealthAwareness advocate and spoken word performer, and I love this so much. I travel the country trying to bring that awareness on stages, in classrooms, hospitals, and on my TH-cam channel, so I get excited when I see other advocates.
Im so glad my therapist is smart ! I was diagnosed with Bipolar and CPTSD which I can see being hard to diagnose & could easily get confused with BPD . Thanks for the video ! I have friends with BPD and this helped me to understand how to better help them when they are struggling ♥️
Oh my god I literally had this chat with my therapist a few weeks ago. I told her that my mood swings are severe but it turns out it was just my ptsd and that it apparently causes really bad mood swings. I mean it’s understandable I have ptsd considering what I went through but I was surprised when she told me
A little FYI. If you have PTSD that is untreated for more than 10 yrs, you will gradually develop a PD. ICD-10, see F:42 on long-term effects. Just sayin' Have a great day everybody.
I am diagnosed with BPD. A friend of mine questioned if it had C-PSD. I think because I have the sub-type “Quiet Borderline,” he didn’t view me as showing signs of bpd. However when I researched the differences between the two, I see my diagnosis was accurate. I have a deep, intense & enduring fear of abandonment, fluctuating self-concept and I seek out relationships but will withdraw for fear of rejection/abandonment.
I hope you'll be okay and I hope you find a safe environment that will allow you to heal. Please be patient with yourself and treat yourself with as much kindness as you can muster.
Another note from what I found researching these, in prolonged Narcissistic or emotional abuse someone can develop BPD or CPTSD, or both. Keep in mind that in emotional and narcissistic abuse, it may not be BPD or Quiet BPD. With prolonged abuse, especially those who grew up with/were in a relationship with a narcissist, it’s more likely CPTSD with Borderline traits and features. That’s where the line gets super hazy between the two. Self Concept and intense rage episodes that you may or may not remember is really the biggest defining factor between the two. Because CPTSD can mimic all kinds of borderline traits including the intense fear of abandonment.
This was so helpfull. I've been thinking I had cptsd in a very long time, this opened an eye for the alternative. BI just wanna point out, the ordinary healthcare in sweden hasn't helped me. It felt pointless last 1½ year to seek help. But the ordinary healthcare where I live, doesn't have the resources and make false trust for the people that needs help. And I pray for everyone! Don't stop look for help if you know you need help, You will find the help and You Deserve it. The help out there it will be there for you, don't worry
it always really pissed me off when I got the bpd diagnosis, and I argued it enough with knowledge and logic that it was removed from my record lol. I am textbook cptsd.
I can say with my own Complex PTSD which I was diagnosed with in 2017, it really impacted my ability to learn and memorize things in grade school up to college until I was taught how to learn differently and get info into my long-term memory. I definitely avoid relationships, haven't been in one since 2006!
I have BPD, was misdiagnosed for years. And this hits right on the mark. I think my worst symptom is the fear of abandonment. It is hard to realize when I’m acting on the impulse.
Thank you so much for making this video. I'm in weekly therapy and diagnosed with PTSD, definitely complex after 42 years straight of traumatic events, but after watching videos about BPD I was really confused because I related to the people with BPD, but this made it clear to why I definitely don't have BPD and therefore I don't need DBT...I was worried I wasn't getting the help I should be getting to be a better mommy and human.
I have not been diagnosed with either disorder, but it was comforting to know that negative reactions such as inconsistent self-concept and flashbacks are treatable.
There is a movement in the practitioner community to merge the two disorders in the DSM. As someone with CPTSD, partially brought on by being raised with a BPD parent, am absolutely FRIGHTENED by this. I have all the empathy in the world for BPF sufferers, but the two disorders are fundamentally different. They may appear to be the same, but the root cause and personality factors are dramatically different. Thanks for shedding light on this and I hope that those in the practitioner community who conceive of the two as similar get some better perspective.
This is done intentionally. Muddying the waters, giving the general public a wrong idea about mental health issues. That's how it becomes easier for 👿s to blend in... A very sad topic. But good to know. ;)
BPD with trust issues… it’s SO hard because i wanna be with others and i want them in my life like i need them but it’s so hard to let people in when everyone before hurt and abandoned you
This has been very helpful because it's been confusing. I was diagnosed with BPD but I could never relate to it because I never feared abandonment and being alone. I especially never feared being alone. I am hurt when people emotionally abuse by flaking on me, but I don't fear losing those people. I love being alone. I like having the right people around but a lot of persons are inconsiderate of my feelings.
Thank you so much!! This is exactly the stumbling block my therapy comes across every time, and this video makes it so much easier for me to understand why and to explain it to my therapist
I got diagnosed with both, and its really confusing because i dont know whether i should believe any of them or not. P.s.: i got diagnosed with bpd at the mental hospital and with ptsd at my therapy
Yeah I went to a mental health hospital...maybe don't trust them. Was diagnosed with ptsd in therapy....I think they prob meant cptsd. Mental health field needs more development tbh. They don't really support ppl fr
lol i feel that about the inaccurate/confusing mental hospital diagnoses. the mental hospital diagnosed me with bipolar but my psychiatrist told me i have bpd not bipolar
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I was misdiagnosed around 7 years ago with BPD and I found out at the end of last year that it was CPTSD all along. This video helped me understand why I may have been diagnosed, thank you for helping me understand
I have wondered for years if I had borderline but this really shows me I don't and that I'm acting more like cptsd victim, aside from the dating but I've avoided a lot of people for years and prefer to be left alone most of the time, even now. I do have a fear of abandonment but it's mostly for my dog because she's old and might die soon or in a few years. for everyone else, I'm just afraid of being attacked and criticized by them and I feel like I can't trust anyone in that way. I metaphorically pushed my boyfriend away just a few days ago because I thought he was verbally attacking me and I realized he wasn't when he held me and calmed me down. Then I realized something in my mind made my partner an enemy and a combination of every single abuser in my life so I had such a strong reaction towards him over simple sentences that triggered it.... the same sentences my abusers would always say. But in the moment, of course, it was hard to realize that he didn't mean it the same way so I lashed out to protect myself. And after I calmed down and realized how I behaved, I felt ashamed and guilty. I've also had two panic attacks in our relationship when he tried to make moves on me. I thought he was raping me and felt like someone else even though I knew it was him yet I couldn't control the way I reacted and panicked. I feel bad for my boyfriend and all the trauma behavior he has to put up with to be with me. But don't worry, I've been seeing therapists for years and group therapy and medication.
Inconsistent self-identity is normal in CPTSD too. In fact it's more common among young girls who are molested and/or raped as kids. The truth is every single BPD symptom can also be experienced by CPTSD sufferers. Which is why I question the authenticity of the DX. BPD was made up because men didn't understand women's PTSD. It's not true that people with cPTSD are less likely to self harm and the fear of abandonment is often both frantic and avoiding. It depends on your relationship to the person. People you are extremely close to you may struggle to lose and lash out. People you aren't close with you avoid.
this is a very helpful video. before i got diagnosed with CPTSD i was convinced that i had BPD. i think the biggest symptom that should have made me realize that i have CPTSD was the constant nightmares and hyper vigilence
If it helps anyone, I self-injure and I have CPTSD, not BPD. But the way I self-injure is thru skin picking (hard to talk about, but again, might help someone). Until I started having flashbacks and nightmares about my abusive childhood, I didn't know why I did it and kept it a secret. Then I traced it to my mom and never being perfect for her (i.e, if I'm perfect, she'll love me). So I think it's connected to CPTSD since I don't have the other primary BPD traits. Sometimes I don't even know I'm picking. My diagnosis is CPTSD.
Hey everyone, as someone diagnosed with C-PTSD from a horrific childhood with a single BPD mother (financial, physical, verbal abuse and neglect from a very young age) I want to recommend IFS (Internal Family Systems) therapy which is done by a trained IFS counsellor. This type of therapy where you see yourself and others as having different parts (wounded part, protector part, etc.) which work together was life changing for me. IFS and MDMA-assisted therapy were the paramount experiences of my healing journey after years of trying different talk therapy, traditional and spiritual modalities. I hope this helps!
Pointed question for ya'll, to the people who have dated people with CPTSD. Do you also think/call these people: narcassistic, socipathic, incurable monsters that should be avoided and argue with them about their mental illness? Or is that only reserved for people with BPD?
Can we all just acknowledge the elephant in the room and understand that human beings are not puppies and kittens to be bought and sold and not an exchangeable commodity? It is more common to have cptsd and bpd in the adoptee and fostered individual community then the regular population and we need to see to it that a - adoption is not going to continue to consist of 100, 000 us citizen s a year any longer. And b- we are going to actually protect the adoptees whose adoptions really could have been prevented by allowing them to keep their identies and medical history and everything else everyone who isn't adopted gets without question and we don't. Don't break people and then blame them for being broken.
I have C-PTSD thanks to my mother and my son was diagnosed with BPD at 12 years old... It broke my heart and I seriously thought I was going to lose him. He's 19 yrs old now and he still struggles, BUT he doesn't contemplate suicide any more, thank God
Oh boy oh boy oh boy I found this helpful! I'm struck speechless in my state of absolute gratitude.. This video found me at the perfect time! I think I may have a little bit of BPD but mostly I relate with CPTSD more
My doctor diagnosed me with CPTSD a few year ago now. But I’ve recently learnt it’s not been added to the DSM5 and not actually officially recognised as a mental illness. No wonder I’ve found it very difficult to get the support and help I need.
Renowned traumatologist, John Briere, is said to have quipped that if Complex PTSD were ever given its due - that is, if the role of dysfunctional parenting in adult psychological disorders was ever fully recognized, the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders used by all mental health professionals) would shrink to the size of a thin pamphlet. It currently resembles a large dictionary. In my experience, many clients with Complex PTSD have been misdiagnosed with various anxiety and depressive disorders, as well as bipolar, narcissistic, codependent and borderline disorders. Further confusion arises in the case of ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder), as well as obsessive/compulsive disorder, which is sometimes more accurately described as an excessive, fixated flight response to trauma. This is also true of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) and some dissociative disorders which are similarly excessive, fixated freeze responses to trauma. This is not to say that those so diagnosed do not have issues that are similar and correlative with said disorders, but that these labels are incomplete and unnecessarily shaming descriptions of what the client is afflicted with. Calling complex PTSD “panic disorder” is like calling food allergies chronically itchy eyes; over-focusing treatment on the symptoms of panic in the former case and eye health in the latter does little to get at root causes. Feelings of panic or itchiness in the eyes can be masked with medication, but all the other associated problems that cause these symptoms will remain untreated. Moreover most of the diagnoses mentioned above imply deep innate characterological defects rather than the learned maladaptations to stress that children of trauma are forced to make- adaptations, once again that were learned and can therefore usually be extinguished and replaced with more functional adaptations to stress. - Pete Walker
!!! this is actually so helpful to me? i was thinking i had bpd but i definitely think i was wrong and just have cptsd. i felt like some of the bpd symptoms didnt align with me anyways, so im glad to know its not that ig!!
thank you for this, i had been thinking i had bpd (already diagnosed with cptsd) but the more I hear about how the symptoms manifest I doubt its bpd. this is why i wish the criteria would go in further detail. everything is so broad and general that its easy to check off all the symptoms.
I have CPTSD, and I self harm. I haven’t cut myself in a few years, which I’m proud of myself for that. But if I’m having flashbacks, I hit myself in the head. I think I do this as a way of shocking my brain back to reality, and as a way of distracting myself from the mental pain. I have trust issues with new people. Not only do I have CPTSD, but I also am on the autism spectrum, and I’m totally blind. And before people start thinking I’m crazy just because I said I’m totally blind, I use voice to text whenever I type and stuff like that. I’ve been bullied about my blindness, and I’ve been taken advantage of because of my physical handicap. It’s actually gotten to the point where I don’t even want to share publicly that I’m totally blind.
adhd doesn't really have many overlapping symptoms with cptsd, you could very easily have both. adhd is a learning disability, while cptsd is a mental illness.
After going through a divorce process with a narcissist, the court agreed Phycologist claimed I had personality disorder not other wise stated. I knew something wasn't right and didn't take the value of that evaluation. I knew my ex wife was dangerous and mentally unstable. Even though the guardian at lietum was going to give the kids to their unstable mother I planned a stakeout and we caught the mother of my two kids leaving the then 2 year old home alone for over 30 minutes. It proved that the phycologist was wrong on his assessment and the guardian at lietum failed to do her job. It was a game changer that tip things into my favor. However, it should never have gone that route. However, narcissist are good at masking themselves with these phycological evaluations and the Minnesota Personality Test is very flawed.
This explains my username and why I don’t speak to women who clearly have interest. I literally worry that if I speak to them it might end up in a relationship, so I intentionally never say anything to them. I am so freaking scared of a relationship. I have no car and not a lot of money, no one is gonna convince me that being myself will keep someone in a relationship with me. Idk this is just kinda random thoughts I guess. I don’t tell people how I feel irl, I do it here cause no one actually knows me here.
For almost all of my life I thought I was a BP. The symptoms fit and certain people told me I must be a BP. Turns out that it were mainly my narcissistic abusers who wanted me to believe it, while I always felt that this just isn't me. In my early 40s I realised I'm an HSP, I've always been a dreamer and I'm an Introvert, as well. After leaving a relationship that brought me to the edge, I realised my mother is a covert Narc and this man is, as well. One year ago I chose a healthy man and I'm healing from what I understood is CPTSD. One main factor is missing in this video, imo: Leaving a toxic environment will heal CPTSD, will heal the survivor of narcissistic abuse. I never knew I could trust, be totally relaxed, be kind. But I am. Took me 50 years to find myself.
Just been diagnosed with EUBPD. Had never heard of it before. I’ve pushed everyone away from me that I love because I don’t feel I have anything to offer anyone. I don’t believe people when they tell me they love me. Why would they?? I can’t stand myself! I hope to start to understand myself now. Hopefully I can build bridges with the people that I love.x
BPD hits to the note for me as I struggle with self-identity and keeps saying if this is me for being miserably abused for 10 years and not to mention, I'm bad with handling my emotions as well 😭
This is a good example of how BPD can become a part of cPTSD, BPD cannot exist without abuse present it's the basis of the disorder, literally described by Marsha Linahan, creator of the DBT program as "growing up in an invalidating environment", this behavior doesn't just pop up out of nowhere, like other symptoms of PTSD, they're behaviors developed to cope in bad situations.
I was diagnosed as having BPD and PTSD (among other things), but I’m pretty sure my PTSD is CPTSD, because it’s not just from a single event or circumstance, but during my Psych evaluation, my test for PTSD only wanted to focus on one source of trauma (and even that trauma was carried out over six years, sooo…), so I’m very sure that I have both…
Could cptsd become bpd if left untreated? I had a traumatic childhood and a bit of emotional neglect in my adolescence. I had been though therapy for the trauma for several months (I was 11). I had been through therapy for extreme anxiety, then was put on medication for adhd. (Both helped a bit) I was supported a lot through friends, well-meaning ( though unhealthy relationships ) parental figures. I had struggles with trust and never dated. I did a lot of self talk to combat negative feelings. I had moved to a new country on my own when I was 26. I felt freer and more adult then. It was at that time I had thought I could trust people more. There were people I hung out with I would have never hung out in my hometown. It was a time I wished to be open minded. I decided to be in a committed relationship by 30. It only lasted 6 months. I had a triggering event with that relationship. It really changed me. I had broken up with that person on the day of the event. It hurt them too because I had seen them in a very harsh and unrealistic light. After a week, I had realized the root cause of the event. Trying to mend that relationship was impossible and I was unsure if that person would get back together with me. After that, I was at a loss. I didn’t relate to the person I was before. I had paranoid thoughts about my friends not really liking me or want to connect with me. I had never felt so strongly about my friends like that. I isolated myself but I was angry that no one reached out. I felt utterly alone. I had felt the same feelings when I was a child, living in abuse. Despair with no hope. It lasted a year. I don’t think I’ve recovered fully and I haven’t returned to being as happy as I used to be, but I’m climbing up and up. I reached out to new people. I took therapy again. I dated then found a new relationship. It’s a better one since I’m now aware of how my thoughts could hurt others. I had some triggering events, but in this relationship, they actually talk me through my feelings. My therapist helps me too with DBT. She hadn’t said I was bpd, but I definitely do think so now. I don’t think I was bpd (overtly) before that tramatic event, but I definitely do think so now because I am now aware of the black and white switches I get. So, yeah. Could cptsd become bpd? Or can bpd “turn on” after a triggering event, even though those symptoms never showed themselves before that event?
I had some repeated bullying problems over the years, where I was the victim and, for some time, would have nightmares about what happened. It even started when I was a child, not to mention I felt I had a hard time trusting people after being mistreated, so I'm wondering if I might have C-PTSD.
Very helpful indeed! I saw a psychologist who said I have both C-ptsd as well as possible BDP. I definitely fell under both umbrellas, but feel the former affects me more than the later, or rather created it.
I have been diagnosed with bpd really quick because i self harm a lot. Two years ago my therapist diagnosed me with cpsd. I have so many overlaps with both disorders even though in this video the differences got explained so much. Some say its clearly cptsd but for example my neurologist says it's clearly bpd because of my self harm..... So confusing......
How do you feel today?
Pretty good
I feel okay, you..?
Anxious
Annoyed
tired :))
and my anxiety has seemed to be worse today
To all experiencing BPD and CPTSD, I see you and I hear you. I was diagnosed with both and I understand where a lot of this all comes from. Complex developmental trauma takes everything to treat and every second of it is worth it because you are all so very much worth it.
Thank you for sharing your story, it has encouraged me to speak up as well. I was recently diagnosed with CPTSD and MDD. It’s a tough healing journey, yet a journey worth the embark!
please feel loved.
lost all my friends at this point. in such a hole.
@@goetcetc564 I feel that. Feel loved by you as much as you can. Dealing with life, and being an adult is hard, but I'm lucky enough it got just better enough for me. Keep it up, you just gotta try hard and hit your lucky break. Or go all the way to the mental health stability line of your dreams. Sorry this is corny. But I empathize. I've been there too.
Thank you, it's a very kind of you. I was diagnosed with bpd, then changed into cptsd, but neither can destroy me! (I'm optimistic now, don't know what I'll become in an hour) hope you feel well too
BPD has been a diagnosis of convenience for trauma-uninformed clinicians for decades, often assigned to female patients they did not understand ("careful, she's borderline"). For anyone given this convoluted diagnosis, I would strongly encourage you to ask the clinician who diagnosed you if they are trauma-informed. If they get defensive or cannot say anything but what PTSD stands for, get another opinion. If you want to be nice, recommend the book The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk. If they haven't heard of the book... don't walk, run away.
Interesting. So your opinion is that BPD is basically a misogynist label for ignorant or prejudiced practitioners?
@@natashasays Now that you said it this way...Yep.
@Niphyra Agree. Making an accurate diagnosis should take time for a clinician and should not get easier to do over time. I wish the whole diagnosis process could become obsolete or at least re-vamped to include trauma-informed diagnoses.
That book is gold when it comes to understanding trauma as a victim. I have cptsd and read this book 6 years ago, and it changed my life. I finally understood, that it was normal to get severely ill after what I had to endure for the first 18 years of my life.
You are right on target with that whole "careful, she's borderline" crap. I got a BPD diagnosis before I even got a proper cptsd diagnosis. I was just a scared kid. It is some dismissive sexism, especially for little girls with ADHD mixed in there. They have given and then retracted at least half a dozen diagnosis on me and still won't test for autism which I find to be pretty ridiculous. I'm middle-aged now, you would think they would listen to me. They have taken BPD off of my diagnosis list again I think. They keep putting it on and taking it off and putting it on taking it off and so on. Inconsistency is a real Beast in this field.
Signs it is PTSD, not BPD
1:57 1. BPD has an inconsistent self-concept
2:26 2. CPTSD usually does not provoke fear of abandonment
2:55 3. People with CPTSD are less likely to self-harm
3:20 4. with CPTSD, you are more likely to avoid relationship
Thanks
I guess people who have Cptsd are dismissive avoidant
Thank you 😩
@@jeanjessmommysharlyn2771 i think yes this is what the video implies but that's... Overly simplified. Not everyone with the anxious attachment style has BPD. I feel confident asserting that much.
Enlightening indeed.
I do have CPTSD. It’s the consequence of parental neglect, ADHD rejection and long term bullying.
I don’t like to call myself a victim. I am a product of indifference and silence from relatives and educational institutions.
Teachers out there. If you see patterns, not only say something, make sure you recommend mental healthcare professionals
There’s a lot of single abusive/neglecting parents out there that don’t even know what they’re doing.
I experienced the same thing and it has honestly heavily impacted my success in life. At least I can get better.
DM I have more of the CPSD cluster of symptoms. I and more than one therapist have said that I clearly have trauma symptoms. But I do have fluctuations between high and low self-esteem. Between grandiosity and shame.
Single parent doesn't equal abusive or neglectful. The single part is irrelevant. Let's not bash parents who work harder to play both roles without help.
When I was in elementary schools, my teachers suggested to my mom and step dad that I get tested for learning disability because I was having so much trouble learning, especially math. Every time it was suggested, both parents, especially my mother, would have a fit and shut the teachers down. How should teachers work with parents who won’t listen? I think my parents knew what they were doing to us, and that my development in school was delayed due to the trauma I experienced at a young age.
same experience here. caused a state of burnout that has lasted pretty much from age 14 to now (im 21)
1. BPD has an inconsistent self-concept. 1:57
2. CPTSD usually does not provoke fear of abandonment. 2:26
3. People with CPTSD are less likely to self-harm. 2:55
4. With CPTSD, you are more likely to avoid relationships. 3:20
wow i have CPTSD
@@lifesoldier wow your pfp is the directX SDK logo. wtf?
@@glitchyjoe64 yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can you have both?
Misdiagnosis for BPD seems to happen mostly to Autistic and ADHD folks who have C-PTSD (more commonly misdiagnosed among women/femmes). I don't believe this is a coincidence. The unstable sense of self in BPD can be due to a combination of complex trauma/abuse and Autistic mirroring, while the unstable negative/positive self-image can be a combination of complex trauma/abuse and ADHD Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria. In my experience and studying, BPD diagnoses are most often given to a neurodivergent person with C-PTSD.
When your Complex trauma includes tons of abandonment, esp used as a weapon by a narcissistic parent/guardian, then you absolutely will have fear of abandonment. If your C-PTSD includes a ton of bullying, you absolutely will be terrified of rejection. Rejection and bullying happen disproportionately to Neurodiverse persons. We need more neuro in our psych and more research on comorbidities. The information within academic and clinical psych is still woefully behind, underfunded, and under-researched, especially when it comes to Autism. We are only now undoing part of the extremely ableist, bigoted rhetoric that is accepted about Autism. A small part.
As with everything, these subjects are much more complexly layered even than they appear.
This is what I was looking for. This. Thank you! (I was a psych major and am having to learn from TH-cam apparently)
I have a feeling we will someday view BPD the same way we view the diagnosis of "hysteria" that was so prevalent in the past.
@@samanthaw8837 that's such an interesting take. I wonder if that will be the case.
Correct! Bigoted to women & POC. I truly believe I am neurodivergent but my demographic rarely gets a diagnosis.
This is so accurate
If you or someone you love has BPD or CPTSD, remember that you're not a monster as some people portray, but rather you're a soldier fighting your inner demons and past traumas. You may have a long way to go, but you are strong and capable. Never give up and never lose sight of your loved ones. You got this. Bless you all.❤️
NOTE: CPTSD is not only found from military soldiers, but average citizens that has gone through something traumatic like car accident or witnessing death.
Or many years of childhood and a adolescent abuse, or being in an abusive romantic relationship of whatever length.
PTSD would be the single incidents like car accident or witnessing death as you mentioned. CPTSD is a result of repeated trauma over a long period of time. Like being abused by family or romantic partners.
- In an environment you cannot escape. -
Even when you 'just' believe you cant .
The earliest name I know of is 'Prisoner of War Syndrome'.
Another important note is that you develop cptsd from more than 1 traumatic event
Military soldiers are usually diagnosed with PTSD not CPTSD.....I worked with the CDN military as a mental health therapist
I almost got diagnosted with BPD but then it turned out that I have CPTSD and my mom had BPD, and all the similar symptoms were me mirroring and projecting her in order to survive, so much that I did them unconsciously when I grew older. Psychotherapy helped a lot but still I have a long way to go!
Damn whoever helped you figure out your diagnosis did a really good job (I’m sure you played a big part in that too)!! I’ve had multiple doctors/therapists trying to figure out which diagnostic boxes my symptoms fall into for over a year now, I know other people who’ve gone decades getting the wrong diagnoses too. So many mental health professionals fail to look beyond what is immediately in front of them but that never is the whole story. I wish figuring this stuff out didn’t have to be so difficult :(
This is me also! I found being able to have space from BPD parent allowed me to grow and not show BPD symptoms as I was able to be my own person for once.
Oh crap this might be my case too. My mom's diagnosed with borderline, I'm diagnosed with borderline traits but I always felt something was different about my bpd behaviour. Or that I was a "quiet BPD" meaning I usually turn inwards and hurt myself when I feel rejection and abandonnement. But I also have a lot of trauma that's spanned out over my life, like CPTSD. Idk what to dooooo....
I can relate too! My mom isn’t diagnosed with anything because she refuses to consider there might be anything “wrong” with her. But I wonder if she has conditions like BPD and/or OCPD. My therapist and I think I have OCD (among other things) but my med prescriber thinks I have OCPD because I tick off more boxes for that than OCD, but honestly I feel like most of the traits I identified as having are things that I picked up from my mom. She’s been my primary caregiver for 26 years for better or for worse, it would be no surprise to me that she would teach me her behaviors as what a person is supposed to do. I started differentiating from her at the end of high school and she did NOT like that. I think I’ve become a better person for it, far less manipulative and needy than I used to be. I didn’t know I was doing anything wrong until I realized that my mom wasn’t normal and some of my behaviors weren’t acceptable or liked by most people. I still haven’t broken free from her to become independent yet, but I’m trying!
Yo same
"Always in high alert." Hyper vigilance isn't always actively looking out for danger but behaviors that you have developed and normalized to avoid it without thinking too much about it.
Such as paying attention to how people walk and the sound of their steps to perceive their mood.
Switching topics when you and the person you're with were steering the conversation towards a subject that set off your abuser, thinking it'll upset them too
Shutting doors and closing cabinets quietly because you got your butt jumped for letting the door close loudly behind you or your abuser slammed things a lot when they were angry.
Always using headphones so you can quietly listen to whatever you want because your abuser got onto you for not keeping things quiet when you were with them.
You nailed it.
100%. Most of these things I don't even realize, it's just so natural.
thank you for commenting this!!
Whoops please don't mind me thinking that everyone could tell mood based on footsteps....
I describe CPTSD as a cluster of many symptoms on a spectrum. You arent gonna find 2 people the same. Its like yes the overlaps, if you draw three overlapping circles with CPTSD in the center. Those 3 circles would be PTSD, borderline and bipolar disorder. This is my opinion and experiences only. Take care friends 🌱
I'm diagnosed with all three, PTSD, borderline and bipolar. And I know it's definitely CPTSD not regular PTSD because I have been abused my whole life, first by my parents and then into adolescence and adults by romantic partners. Definitely have BPD as well and have known that for a while. The bipolar I never really suspected and am still wondering whether it's the case but I'm not one to deny diagnoses.
@@MorgonBranning have you ever asked your doctor why they believe it's bipolar and not something else? If not, make sure you advocate for yourself, since you know yourself best.
@@ej62133 personally my current mental health care and meds provider just seems kinda lazy and wanted to go with the “easiest” diagnosis so they had an excuse to put me on meds. The meds don’t help or change anything they just make me really tired, meds don’t work for BPD like they do for bipolar. They literally said when they gave me a dual diagnosis BPD/bipolar that BPD sucks because it can’t be medicated but bipolar can and tried to take my BPD diagnosis when they added PTSD because of overlapping symptoms which I think is uninformed and lazy health care, you can have multiple similarly presenting disorders but they seem to have a weird fixation on wanting to simplify every symptom into one or two diagnoses. I’m looking into switching care providers soon so fingers crossed on getting actual diagnoses (including ADHD which they insist is impossible that I have because even though I have almost literally every symptom I did well in school and apparently to them you have to have had extreme trouble in school and with grades to have ADHD which just isn’t true as a blanket statement).
@@MorgonBranning I've been on both sides of the desk in the MH community as a peer, so I can relate with the frustration of doctors trying to shut clients up by flexing their credentials. Definitely look for a better fit, because it sounds as if your doctor just wants feathers in their cap instead of actually listening and working with their clients.
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As an autistic, I have curious to see the similarities and differences between autism in women and BPD; it is a common misdiagnosis as well, especially in women. It is also possible to have both.
this, i was diagnosed bpd, cptsd and adhd but am getting tested to now see if the bpd may actually be autism as autism runs heavy in our family
I'm female, autistic and have CPTSD and BPD. How can I help?
@@MaliaMydnight I was diagnosed with bpd but after watching videos of people especially females who are autistic I think I may have autism it seems most logical to me I always felt very different even feeling honestly alien. It's really hard getting medical help especially if you don't have medical aid so I struggle so much in past when trying to get a mental diagnosis I knew what I was feeling was not normal or good. So now I'm again here with struggling to go for autism diagnosis I don't know where to start health staff sometimes so mean and non understanding.
I was diagnosed as bipolar as teen, then with PTSD after Iraq, but I also think I have BPD from my F'd up childhood and I might be autistic as well. I'm guessing it's possible to be all four?
well no one wants the bpd label … everyone now wants the autistic diagnosis because it’s widely accepted and there’s no stigma like a bpd stigma. sucks but it’s true. so many women with bpd want an autistic diagnosis badly to break away from the thought of being a “bad person” … it’s an epidemic
I definitely have C-PTSD instead of the PTSD I was diagnosed with. It's basically impossible for me to trust anyone because everyone in my life proved they couldn't be trusted time and time again.
Yep. Same here.
I’m so sorry :(
I was diagnosed with Complex PTSD a few years ago. Avoiding relationships is so huge for me. Haven't been in one since 2006. I host a podcast called The Complex PTSD Guy, I guess it's ok to mention here.
i felt the same about people, i did EMDR and now i feel free of that mistrust
bad?
I been diagnosed BPD and to make simple it. This disorder more focus on relationship.
This is our cycle
1.We attach to new person
2.we overshare our problem
3.they get tired and starting to make a distance
4.we clingy so that we can avoid abandonment
5.if they still leave us alone, we find new person.
6. Repeat it from number 1
I think I have BPD. :’(
It gets better as we get older as well
@@Hellakiddie yes definitely
Or 3 is skipped if we meet someone with NPD. Then it becomes the NPD abuse cycle.
I have cptsd from growing up with abusive and neglectful parents, a very dramatic divorce they went through in which I was placed in the care giver position, constant bullying and discrimination in educational centers I assisted, in jobs I had, a long term turned toxic relationship turned long term toxic situationship... All of which has left me in an extreme constant high alert, always analyzing and decoding people around me. Constantly denying my own needs and avoiding to ask for help. Its really tough you guys. I have isolated myself and gone through some extreme anxiety the last year. I dont know how to explain the feeling, I hope everyone going through anything like this sees the light at the end of the tunnel and finds the strength to pull through... You got this ❤️
I see you ❤
Two years later, I see you, too. ❣ Isolation is relatively peaceful.
We are in the same boat. Stay strong my friend
Really enjoyed the little fusion disorder dance at 1:32 , all jokes aside, thanks for shedding light on these issues, people need to understand the severity of mental health.
These two disorders are so similar and can be difficult to differentiate. I’ve been learning about both disorders in school but this is a clear explanation of both so thank you and a great way to define childhood trauma so thank you 🙏🏽💜
Another great way is for parents to actually listen to me before it's to late
*learning about both disorders in school* you guys are taught mental health?!
@@brainy717 I think they might be in med school 😁 I do wish mental health and wellness was taught in primary school though, would alleviate so much suffering.
@@KnitBone so true.... We have non existent teaching about mental health tbh
thanks for being respectful towards bpd. i find that most online convos surrounding bpd often boil down to either "everyone with bpd is a disgusting monster who wants to hurt you" or teenagers insisting they have it after watching a single video. was refreshing to see something more objective for once. this video was really informative, my ex has cptsd while i have bpd & it's kind of funny how accurate your descriptions were to us.
As someone who was formally diagnosed with PTSD by my psych, this video makes me want to cry. I witnessed the of my mother in my childhood, and there's definitely a sharp contrast in my mannerisms pre and post. It's a daily struggle, but I push myself to get up and live every day.
I see you. Take care 🌹
Extremely helpful, people online are conflating the two conditions. This video is extremely clear.
Thanks for sharing. Glad you find it helpful!! What content would you like us to cover next?
Wow! Super excited that you asked me I have a few ideas based on what is see folks conflating on and offline. 1.What is magical thinking 2. The difference between cronic mental health challenges like counterdependency and codependency and attachment styles 3. And what is the false self?
I have an inconsistent sense of self for sure and I definitely have a fear of abandonment. That’s why I tend to avoid relationships. I also have this sort of automatic self shut off switch, that when I get close to someone in a relationship, I shut off and pull away and lose interest. Happens all the time. Like…I WANT a deep and meaningful relationship, but when it gets there I lose interest in the person. I’m happier and less stressed out when things are kept at a distance, but at the same time I desire that close level of intimacy. Then when I get it I no longer want it. It’s weird.
I would NEVER think about self harm though. Never in a million years. I am actually very resilient, self aware and proactive in my life. I’m an amateur boxer, I do yoga multiple times per week and I always kill it at my job. And I’m very social in my life. I know I have CPTSD, but not sure if I have BPD as well. I feel like I’m some ways I do, but I’m very mentally healthy in my daily life so idk.
Sounds like CPTSD.
I agree it's cptsd but also try to search about dismissive avoidant attachment style.. it's a cognitive behavioral therapy by ms. Thais gibson i learn a lot from it...
All that you stated it seems like my guy best friend...do you have a tendency to push people away especially if they love you or wants a serious relationship? His like that, but also wants a friend's with benefits things and made people confused with his behaviors..but for him his just being his self...
@@jeanjessmommysharlyn2771 Yeah I’m like that. It’s very hard for me to catch feelings but when I do I get terrified and I want out of the situation because I feel like I’m losing control of myself. That feeling of complete vulnerability makes me nauseous and gives me anxiety. I have a lot of love to give, but every time I’ve done it I’ve gotten pushed away and it almost broke me completely. This has happened multiple times. The last time it felt like heroin withdrawal (what I imagine heroin withdrawal to be like), I was hugging the toilet throwing up and it took me over a year to recover and not having random bouts of crying. I wouldn’t wish what I went through on my worst enemy. That is something you couldn’t pay me a billion dollars to make me go through again. So because I expect to get pushed off when I open myself up, I just don’t do it anymore. I remain detached, I seek fwb types of situations and it’s a lot better. It’s physically painful for me to be in a relationship and not open myself up. So I just don’t get into relationships.
@@nickp3949 ahhhh i didn't know that's what it feels for him... we're best friends for 3 years we had a lot of fun, playful, teasing, flirting,joking he likes that...and fwb but i always tell him why are you playing games... because he doesn't want a relationship...i keep on trying a lot of different approach..but i can't keep fwb if i do have feelings for him. So..what else can i do? I always give him some space i understand.. I don't pressure him but when it comes to commitment i guess he feel pressured...can we be friends in fb? Or your also avoidant? He never initiate in texting but once i text him, he reply fast.
This is very important thank you for bringing attention to this.
My mother has bpd and I survived all the storms of her disorder as a child and I, in turn, developed cptsd, since I was in full survival mode the majority of my childhood. i share a lot of similarities to my mother as it is simply because I was raised by her, but I do not have BPD. These resources are incredibly important and its important to understand where these similarities come from in your life if you or someone you know struggle with either or both these.
I have bpd and this has been educational thank you psych2go
This happened with my sister. Doctor thought it was BPD but was actually CTPSD. She’s finally got some clarity and I hope others find it too 💖
i was first diagnosed with CPTSD, and then it changed to BPD. they are very alike, i feel like i could see myself in both. but after watching this video, i can see that i definitely have BPD.
Imagine going to the doctor and, instead of being given treatment, you're given an acronym and told 'this is what you are'
Wow I've been wondering if I had BPD but everything you said about CPTSD was right on the money. Made my eyes go really wide, thank you for this video.
please make more videos about BPD! they are very informational and helpful ❤️
also, could you make a video on how to help people when they don’t want to reach for help!
Sure thing! Thanks for the suggestion. We will let the team know.
Psych2Go thank you so much! 😊 keep up the great work
@@Psych2go I would love if u make more videos about bpd too and I love this video as I was diagnosed with both and now I understand how they different from my personal daily experiences xx
I have both & I’m a therapist. Healing is crucial. 💗
Can i speak to you about this.
My best friend is diagnosed with BPD and i got diagnosed with CPTSD, we both shared a lot of similarities, we even wondered if one of us got the wrong diagnosis but we both agreed that there are some differences between us, you mentioned all of it, thanks a lot for that.
Wow the way you break these very complex personality concepts/diagnoses down in a way that is easy to understand I truly amazing! Thank you!
I've been married to my husband since 2014. The descriptions your discussing has help understand more. My husband said he loves me but he's disconnected with feelings and doesn't show he love me. I'm so frustrated I want a divorce but he wants to work it out. This is hard for mw.
Thank you for making this video. Counselors with degrees need to be aware of this. It seems like a lot of people get put into the wrong category and it can really cause long term issues and a false self identity that’s really confusing.
I love ur channel! If I ever have nothing to watch on yt I immediately come over to this channel and I find myself watching at least 3 videos at a time! Your amazing
As someone with cptsd, my heart goes out to those with bpd, it’s difficult for me to understand them so these vids help.
I'm fairly certain i got misdiagnosed with "BPD" when i was a kid... Great video... Thanks for highlighting the differences...
Me too
That’s interesting you were diagnosed young, I’m pretty sure that psychologists are either not allowed to diagnose people under the age of 18 with a personality disorder or it is extremely discouraged.
@@HokeyPokey81300 Hmmm... I did not know that ? I have no memory of it myself, and what i know, is what i was told by my late mom, in my early 20's...
This is the best explanation I have seen about the differences. Thank you 👍🙂
I was diagnosed with complex-type PTSD a couple years ago, but I wasnt 100% sure if it was C-PTSD, or BPD.
Now I am confident that the diagnosis was correct, it is definitely C-PTSD.
Okay this makes more sense to me now, because i always thought it was BPD symptoms that im dealing with but actually it's CPTSD. I was bullied for a very long time in school non stop, which in turn made me have nightmares of the events and people that hurt me, im 20 years old and i still get those nightmares constantly, it stresses me out and i honestly became "used" to it. My emotions are also very complex and i tend to snap at others a lot when they trigger some sort of unsolved trauma that i still deal with. Which ruined quite a lot for me. Even having a steady job is hard because i think being around people who i dont even know will in turn repeat the same traumatic event i've experienced.
This video made me understand my mental health a bit more, sadly i don't have the the money to cover any therapy costs or medication costs.
I have BPD, am an avid #MentalHealthAwareness advocate and spoken word performer, and I love this so much. I travel the country trying to bring that awareness on stages, in classrooms, hospitals, and on my TH-cam channel, so I get excited when I see other advocates.
Im so glad my therapist is smart ! I was diagnosed with Bipolar and CPTSD which I can see being hard to diagnose & could easily get confused with BPD . Thanks for the video ! I have friends with BPD and this helped me to understand how to better help them when they are struggling ♥️
Oh my god I literally had this chat with my therapist a few weeks ago. I told her that my mood swings are severe but it turns out it was just my ptsd and that it apparently causes really bad mood swings. I mean it’s understandable I have ptsd considering what I went through but I was surprised when she told me
The voiceover is very nice. A really good mix of professional and soothing that’s really rare.
A little FYI.
If you have PTSD that is untreated for more than 10 yrs, you will gradually develop a PD.
ICD-10, see F:42 on long-term effects.
Just sayin'
Have a great day everybody.
That explains a lot….😳
Ah shit. That makes so much sense honestly.
I am diagnosed with BPD. A friend of mine questioned if it had C-PSD. I think because I have the sub-type “Quiet Borderline,” he didn’t view me as showing signs of bpd. However when I researched the differences between the two, I see my diagnosis was accurate. I have a deep, intense & enduring fear of abandonment, fluctuating self-concept and I seek out relationships but will withdraw for fear of rejection/abandonment.
I just went through a very traumatic event, and this video really helped me understand my emotions. Thank you.
I hope you'll be okay and I hope you find a safe environment that will allow you to heal. Please be patient with yourself and treat yourself with as much kindness as you can muster.
Another note from what I found researching these, in prolonged Narcissistic or emotional abuse someone can develop BPD or CPTSD, or both. Keep in mind that in emotional and narcissistic abuse, it may not be BPD or Quiet BPD. With prolonged abuse, especially those who grew up with/were in a relationship with a narcissist, it’s more likely CPTSD with Borderline traits and features. That’s where the line gets super hazy between the two. Self Concept and intense rage episodes that you may or may not remember is really the biggest defining factor between the two. Because CPTSD can mimic all kinds of borderline traits including the intense fear of abandonment.
This was so helpfull. I've been thinking I had cptsd in a very long time, this opened an eye for the alternative.
BI just wanna point out, the ordinary healthcare in sweden hasn't helped me.
It felt pointless last 1½ year to seek help.
But the ordinary healthcare where I live, doesn't have the resources and make false trust for the people that needs help.
And I pray for everyone!
Don't stop look for help if you know you need help, You will find the help and You Deserve it.
The help out there it will be there for you, don't worry
i'd like to see a video on how the treatment differs between the disorders :) thanks for the awesome video.
it always really pissed me off when I got the bpd diagnosis, and I argued it enough with knowledge and logic that it was removed from my record lol. I am textbook cptsd.
Dear lovely person that's reading this, we may not know each other but I wish you all the best in life! ✨
I believe in you! Love - Nat ❤️
I can say with my own Complex PTSD which I was diagnosed with in 2017, it really impacted my ability to learn and memorize things in grade school up to college until I was taught how to learn differently and get info into my long-term memory. I definitely avoid relationships, haven't been in one since 2006!
I have ASD(Autism Spectrum Disorder) but it's nice to know more about other disorders and how they function.
I'm on the spectrum as well I'm high functioning nice to meet you.
@@kyleslavik6324 nice to meet you as well.
@@lonewolfnergiganos4000 do you have high functioning autism since your on the spectrum.
I have BPD, was misdiagnosed for years. And this hits right on the mark.
I think my worst symptom is the fear of abandonment. It is hard to realize when I’m acting on the impulse.
Thank you so much for making this video. I'm in weekly therapy and diagnosed with PTSD, definitely complex after 42 years straight of traumatic events, but after watching videos about BPD I was really confused because I related to the people with BPD, but this made it clear to why I definitely don't have BPD and therefore I don't need DBT...I was worried I wasn't getting the help I should be getting to be a better mommy and human.
DBT is a good treatment for cptsd though
Now I understand a bit better why I was diagnosed with both of these. Thank you for this video!
I have not been diagnosed with either disorder, but it was comforting to know that negative reactions such as inconsistent self-concept and flashbacks are treatable.
There is a movement in the practitioner community to merge the two disorders in the DSM. As someone with CPTSD, partially brought on by being raised with a BPD parent, am absolutely FRIGHTENED by this. I have all the empathy in the world for BPF sufferers, but the two disorders are fundamentally different. They may appear to be the same, but the root cause and personality factors are dramatically different. Thanks for shedding light on this and I hope that those in the practitioner community who conceive of the two as similar get some better perspective.
This is done intentionally. Muddying the waters, giving the general public a wrong idea about mental health issues. That's how it becomes easier for 👿s to blend in... A very sad topic. But good to know. ;)
BPD with trust issues… it’s SO hard because i wanna be with others and i want them in my life like i need them but it’s so hard to let people in when everyone before hurt and abandoned you
This has been very helpful because it's been confusing. I was diagnosed with BPD but I could never relate to it because I never feared abandonment and being alone. I especially never feared being alone. I am hurt when people emotionally abuse by flaking on me, but I don't fear losing those people. I love being alone. I like having the right people around but a lot of persons are inconsiderate of my feelings.
Thank you so much!! This is exactly the stumbling block my therapy comes across every time, and this video makes it so much easier for me to understand why and to explain it to my therapist
I got diagnosed with both, and its really confusing because i dont know whether i should believe any of them or not.
P.s.: i got diagnosed with bpd at the mental hospital and with ptsd at my therapy
Cptsd and ptsd are not the same.
@@lfairy6130 i know that, thats why im confused
Yeah I went to a mental health hospital...maybe don't trust them. Was diagnosed with ptsd in therapy....I think they prob meant cptsd. Mental health field needs more development tbh. They don't really support ppl fr
lol i feel that about the inaccurate/confusing mental hospital diagnoses. the mental hospital diagnosed me with bipolar but my psychiatrist told me i have bpd not bipolar
And now I understand the differences my therapist was talking about. Thank you.
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Thank you! Felt very seen for my BPD and love seeing more educational videos about it!
Thumbs up if you were more confused after watching the video.
I was misdiagnosed around 7 years ago with BPD and I found out at the end of last year that it was CPTSD all along. This video helped me understand why I may have been diagnosed, thank you for helping me understand
I have a bad C-PTSD but retraumatization is still ongoing at the hospital
Because one of the responsible is the director of that hospital
I have wondered for years if I had borderline but this really shows me I don't and that I'm acting more like cptsd victim, aside from the dating but I've avoided a lot of people for years and prefer to be left alone most of the time, even now. I do have a fear of abandonment but it's mostly for my dog because she's old and might die soon or in a few years. for everyone else, I'm just afraid of being attacked and criticized by them and I feel like I can't trust anyone in that way. I metaphorically pushed my boyfriend away just a few days ago because I thought he was verbally attacking me and I realized he wasn't when he held me and calmed me down. Then I realized something in my mind made my partner an enemy and a combination of every single abuser in my life so I had such a strong reaction towards him over simple sentences that triggered it.... the same sentences my abusers would always say. But in the moment, of course, it was hard to realize that he didn't mean it the same way so I lashed out to protect myself. And after I calmed down and realized how I behaved, I felt ashamed and guilty. I've also had two panic attacks in our relationship when he tried to make moves on me. I thought he was raping me and felt like someone else even though I knew it was him yet I couldn't control the way I reacted and panicked. I feel bad for my boyfriend and all the trauma behavior he has to put up with to be with me. But don't worry, I've been seeing therapists for years and group therapy and medication.
Not my therapist trying to figure out if I have BPD or just trauma 🤭
Inconsistent self-identity is normal in CPTSD too. In fact it's more common among young girls who are molested and/or raped as kids. The truth is every single BPD symptom can also be experienced by CPTSD sufferers. Which is why I question the authenticity of the DX. BPD was made up because men didn't understand women's PTSD.
It's not true that people with cPTSD are less likely to self harm and the fear of abandonment is often both frantic and avoiding. It depends on your relationship to the person. People you are extremely close to you may struggle to lose and lash out. People you aren't close with you avoid.
this is a very helpful video. before i got diagnosed with CPTSD i was convinced that i had BPD. i think the biggest symptom that should have made me realize that i have CPTSD was the constant nightmares and hyper vigilence
If it helps anyone, I self-injure and I have CPTSD, not BPD. But the way I self-injure is thru skin picking (hard to talk about, but again, might help someone). Until I started having flashbacks and nightmares about my abusive childhood, I didn't know why I did it and kept it a secret. Then I traced it to my mom and never being perfect for her (i.e, if I'm perfect, she'll love me). So I think it's connected to CPTSD since I don't have the other primary BPD traits. Sometimes I don't even know I'm picking. My diagnosis is CPTSD.
Hey everyone, as someone diagnosed with C-PTSD from a horrific childhood with a single BPD mother (financial, physical, verbal abuse and neglect from a very young age) I want to recommend IFS (Internal Family Systems) therapy which is done by a trained IFS counsellor. This type of therapy where you see yourself and others as having different parts (wounded part, protector part, etc.) which work together was life changing for me. IFS and MDMA-assisted therapy were the paramount experiences of my healing journey after years of trying different talk therapy, traditional and spiritual modalities. I hope this helps!
Pointed question for ya'll,
to the people who have dated people with CPTSD.
Do you also think/call these people:
narcassistic, socipathic, incurable monsters that should be avoided and argue with them about their mental illness?
Or is that only reserved for people with BPD?
Can we all just acknowledge the elephant in the room and understand that human beings are not puppies and kittens to be bought and sold and not an exchangeable commodity? It is more common to have cptsd and bpd in the adoptee and fostered individual community then the regular population and we need to see to it that a - adoption is not going to continue to consist of 100, 000 us citizen s a year any longer. And b- we are going to actually protect the adoptees whose adoptions really could have been prevented by allowing them to keep their identies and medical history and everything else everyone who isn't adopted gets without question and we don't. Don't break people and then blame them for being broken.
I have C-PTSD thanks to my mother and my son was diagnosed with BPD at 12 years old... It broke my heart and I seriously thought I was going to lose him.
He's 19 yrs old now and he still struggles, BUT he doesn't contemplate suicide any more, thank God
Oh boy oh boy oh boy I found this helpful! I'm struck speechless in my state of absolute gratitude.. This video found me at the perfect time! I think I may have a little bit of BPD but mostly I relate with CPTSD more
Thank you!!!
This just strengthens my belief that I have been misdiagnosed.
come for the mental health insight, stay for the beautiful animations. :') this video was so pretty.
My doctor diagnosed me with CPTSD a few year ago now. But I’ve recently learnt it’s not been added to the DSM5 and not actually officially recognised as a mental illness. No wonder I’ve found it very difficult to get the support and help I need.
Renowned traumatologist, John Briere, is said to have quipped that if Complex PTSD were ever given its due - that is, if the role of dysfunctional parenting in adult psychological disorders was ever fully recognized, the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders used by all mental health professionals) would shrink to the size of a thin pamphlet. It currently resembles a large dictionary. In my experience, many clients with Complex PTSD have been misdiagnosed with various anxiety and depressive disorders, as well as bipolar, narcissistic, codependent and borderline disorders. Further confusion arises in the case of ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder), as well as obsessive/compulsive disorder, which is sometimes more accurately described as an excessive, fixated flight response to trauma. This is also true of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) and some dissociative disorders which are similarly excessive, fixated freeze responses to trauma.
This is not to say that those so diagnosed do not have issues that are similar and correlative with said disorders, but that these labels are incomplete and unnecessarily shaming descriptions of what the client is afflicted with. Calling complex PTSD “panic disorder” is like calling food allergies chronically itchy eyes; over-focusing treatment on the symptoms of panic in the former case and eye health in the latter does little to get at root causes. Feelings of panic or itchiness in the eyes can be masked with medication, but all the other associated problems that cause these symptoms will remain untreated. Moreover most of the diagnoses mentioned above imply deep innate characterological defects rather than the learned maladaptations to stress that children of trauma are forced to make- adaptations, once again that were learned and can therefore usually be extinguished and replaced with more functional adaptations to stress. - Pete Walker
I first learnt about BPD after watching Arcane. I can relate to Jinx a lot.
!!! this is actually so helpful to me? i was thinking i had bpd but i definitely think i was wrong and just have cptsd. i felt like some of the bpd symptoms didnt align with me anyways, so im glad to know its not that ig!!
thank you for this, i had been thinking i had bpd (already diagnosed with cptsd) but the more I hear about how the symptoms manifest I doubt its bpd. this is why i wish the criteria would go in further detail. everything is so broad and general that its easy to check off all the symptoms.
I have CPTSD, and I self harm. I haven’t cut myself in a few years, which I’m proud of myself for that. But if I’m having flashbacks, I hit myself in the head. I think I do this as a way of shocking my brain back to reality, and as a way of distracting myself from the mental pain. I have trust issues with new people. Not only do I have CPTSD, but I also am on the autism spectrum, and I’m totally blind. And before people start thinking I’m crazy just because I said I’m totally blind, I use voice to text whenever I type and stuff like that. I’ve been bullied about my blindness, and I’ve been taken advantage of because of my physical handicap. It’s actually gotten to the point where I don’t even want to share publicly that I’m totally blind.
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I got diagnosed with adult ADD, but in the back of my mind, I've always felt I really have CPTSD.
adhd doesn't really have many overlapping symptoms with cptsd, you could very easily have both. adhd is a learning disability, while cptsd is a mental illness.
After going through a divorce process with a narcissist, the court agreed Phycologist claimed I had personality disorder not other wise stated. I knew something wasn't right and didn't take the value of that evaluation.
I knew my ex wife was dangerous and mentally unstable. Even though the guardian at lietum was going to give the kids to their unstable mother I planned a stakeout and we caught the mother of my two kids leaving the then 2 year old home alone for over 30 minutes. It proved that the phycologist was wrong on his assessment and the guardian at lietum failed to do her job. It was a game changer that tip things into my favor. However, it should never have gone that route.
However, narcissist are good at masking themselves with these phycological evaluations and the Minnesota Personality Test is very flawed.
Also me: avoids relationships because it's easier than having to explain my weird brain disease.
100% can relate, great video thankyou. Definitely clears up my uncertainty
This explains my username and why I don’t speak to women who clearly have interest. I literally worry that if I speak to them it might end up in a relationship, so I intentionally never say anything to them. I am so freaking scared of a relationship. I have no car and not a lot of money, no one is gonna convince me that being myself will keep someone in a relationship with me. Idk this is just kinda random thoughts I guess. I don’t tell people how I feel irl, I do it here cause no one actually knows me here.
For almost all of my life I thought I was a BP. The symptoms fit and certain people told me I must be a BP. Turns out that it were mainly my narcissistic abusers who wanted me to believe it, while I always felt that this just isn't me. In my early 40s I realised I'm an HSP, I've always been a dreamer and I'm an Introvert, as well. After leaving a relationship that brought me to the edge, I realised my mother is a covert Narc and this man is, as well. One year ago I chose a healthy man and I'm healing from what I understood is CPTSD.
One main factor is missing in this video, imo: Leaving a toxic environment will heal CPTSD, will heal the survivor of narcissistic abuse. I never knew I could trust, be totally relaxed, be kind. But I am. Took me 50 years to find myself.
Just been diagnosed with EUBPD.
Had never heard of it before.
I’ve pushed everyone away from me that I love because I don’t feel I have anything to offer anyone.
I don’t believe people when they tell me they love me. Why would they?? I can’t stand myself!
I hope to start to understand myself now.
Hopefully I can build bridges with the people that I love.x
BPD hits to the note for me as I struggle with self-identity and keeps saying if this is me for being miserably abused for 10 years and not to mention, I'm bad with handling my emotions as well 😭
This is a good example of how BPD can become a part of cPTSD, BPD cannot exist without abuse present it's the basis of the disorder, literally described by Marsha Linahan, creator of the DBT program as "growing up in an invalidating environment", this behavior doesn't just pop up out of nowhere, like other symptoms of PTSD, they're behaviors developed to cope in bad situations.
I was diagnosed as having BPD and PTSD (among other things), but I’m pretty sure my PTSD is CPTSD, because it’s not just from a single event or circumstance, but during my Psych evaluation, my test for PTSD only wanted to focus on one source of trauma (and even that trauma was carried out over six years, sooo…), so I’m very sure that I have both…
It's helpful. Everything said states I do not have BPD but do have cptsd. Good video
I really needed to come across this so thank you very much.
Could cptsd become bpd if left untreated?
I had a traumatic childhood and a bit of emotional neglect in my adolescence.
I had been though therapy for the trauma for several months (I was 11).
I had been through therapy for extreme anxiety, then was put on medication for adhd. (Both helped a bit)
I was supported a lot through friends, well-meaning ( though unhealthy relationships ) parental figures.
I had struggles with trust and never dated. I did a lot of self talk to combat negative feelings.
I had moved to a new country on my own when I was 26. I felt freer and more adult then. It was at that time I had thought I could trust people more. There were people I hung out with I would have never hung out in my hometown. It was a time I wished to be open minded.
I decided to be in a committed relationship by 30.
It only lasted 6 months.
I had a triggering event with that relationship. It really changed me. I had broken up with that person on the day of the event. It hurt them too because I had seen them in a very harsh and unrealistic light. After a week, I had realized the root cause of the event. Trying to mend that relationship was impossible and I was unsure if that person would get back together with me.
After that, I was at a loss. I didn’t relate to the person I was before. I had paranoid thoughts about my friends not really liking me or want to connect with me. I had never felt so strongly about my friends like that.
I isolated myself but I was angry that no one reached out. I felt utterly alone. I had felt the same feelings when I was a child, living in abuse. Despair with no hope.
It lasted a year. I don’t think I’ve recovered fully and I haven’t returned to being as happy as I used to be, but I’m climbing up and up.
I reached out to new people. I took therapy again. I dated then found a new relationship. It’s a better one since I’m now aware of how my thoughts could hurt others. I had some triggering events, but in this relationship, they actually talk me through my feelings. My therapist helps me too with DBT. She hadn’t said I was bpd, but I definitely do think so now.
I don’t think I was bpd (overtly) before that tramatic event, but I definitely do think so now because I am now aware of the black and white switches I get.
So, yeah. Could cptsd become bpd? Or can bpd “turn on” after a triggering event, even though those symptoms never showed themselves before that event?
I had some repeated bullying problems over the years, where I was the victim and, for some time, would have nightmares about what happened. It even started when I was a child, not to mention I felt I had a hard time trusting people after being mistreated, so I'm wondering if I might have C-PTSD.
Very helpful indeed! I saw a psychologist who said I have both C-ptsd as well as possible BDP. I definitely fell under both umbrellas, but feel the former affects me more than the later, or rather created it.
I have been diagnosed with bpd really quick because i self harm a lot. Two years ago my therapist diagnosed me with cpsd. I have so many overlaps with both disorders even though in this video the differences got explained so much. Some say its clearly cptsd but for example my neurologist says it's clearly bpd because of my self harm..... So confusing......