Mitsubishi would never now, they made the eclipse a crossover and auctioned off their heritage collection of sports car they had in a museum. They don't care for enthusiasts anymore.
I talked to a Salesman at Mazda in Oregon while car shopping. Old school older gentleman, 20+ years with Mazda sales. He said that the RX9 is definitely going to be a thing, that Mazda is doing a bunch under wraps with the rotary!
This comment gives me hopium. I think I convinced my grandfather to get an ND Miata since he wants 1 last sports car again in his life (he is about 80 but he was able to get in and out of the ND). He wants a red soft top with stick, which is how I would spec mine too.
That’s cool back in the early 2006 I had a couple rx7z and 04 rx8 Use to go to my local Mazda dealer for oem parts over the years anyways they been saying the rx9 was happening back in 2012! Man the concepts over the years always gave me hope! But I’m so happy it’s finally happening I miss the sports cars Mazda would produce and there racing history of horse and rider!
The MX30 R-EV is already coming (next year?) so they have the power plant and a proof of concept that they can make a car with it. Nothing is stopping them from putting that powerplant in their RWD chassis (used in the CX60, CX90) and delivering a long wheelbase GT-style sports car. The RX9 fits that bill perfectly. I cant wait to see where they go with this. The MX30 R-EV is already groundbreaking.
The rotary engine is being used as a generator for the batteries so they can pass emissions. I am praying that Mazda will have a back door way to use the rotary as the main power unit to propel the car. If Mazda does not I am sure that there will be a lot of rotary enthusist that will figure away to do so. The new two rotor engine is a 1.6 where the old two rotor was a 1.3. The goal for me would be to mod the 1.6 and keep the batteries to help give torque down low.
Sounds like they will use a hybrid system like the non plug-in hybrid Lexus rx450 . I drove one and did not expect it to be so fun. Power delivery feels like supercharger.
Electric vehicle modding is gonna get wild if ebikes are anything to go by. There are dudes putting 50,000W on a...bicycle. Just you guys wait...electric car tuning is gonna be AMAZING. Give it a couple years. You will see. Just adding double volts practically doubles power. Think of how easy that is...it is gonna make tuning become so easy the government is gonna have to get involved with heavy regulatuons. For example...I run 1100W through a "250w" brushless motor. Just added more volt battery and a higher amp motor controller. Motor runs perfectly fine at 4x the power without any modifications.
@@badgermetalthese are a great source for hybrid powertrains...i used to work at a wreckers and we would sell engine and trans for these for only a few hundred bucks and they had the electric motor attached. Not sure about batteries, but I know the powerplants went for peanuts.
@@AaronHenduhahaha you’re nuts hell no evs arent modable in the slightest i wouldnt say swapping the entire internal system being tuning thats a swap different things people also dont have 10s of thousands of dollars to chuck at battery packs thats straight up delusion
No "it ruined everything" tag? My life is a lie. This is the end, i can't anymore. Edit: He actually updated the thumbnail now and add the ruined everything tag 😂😅
I work on the Mazda line at Mazda Toyota Manufacturing. I wasn't a fan until I noticed the Kodo design, how luxurious the interiors are, and the tactility of the buttons. I'm happy that they're going to produce a car like this. Our Japanese advisors are PASSIONATE about their product. I'd get a Mazda if I wasn't deadset on a used Cayenne turbo or S7.
I think it’s be a hit as Mazda didn’t price it clean out of sight. Now Mitsubishi needs to get back in the game with a new 3000GT “inspired” halo car and it’s GAME ON!
This happened in Japan until the GFC. Prior to that the Japan real estate market was feeding the tuner market. Eventually people got old had kids and nobody had the money to replace them. While their cars are dope, they are only worth something if someone younger wants to buy them
Just wanted to say thank you for signing my hat at Cosmic Drift, I didn’t get a chance to say thank you(understandably so). Awesome chill dude! Thanks again!!
@@jessejlewismeng lol na🤣 i was just fan boying a bit. Due to being active military Im not able to just go out do fun stuff like i would like to so i figured id ask so i have something as a memory. If i was able to go that 1st day, i would have asked tpain and hert as well🤷🏻♂️
They have done a lot to work on the fuel efficiency of modern rotary, especially whats in their hybrids. Port+direct injection and exhaust recirculation etc. supposedly has increased efficiency by 30% give or take. The new concept looks cool though. Mazda has probably the best looking modern design in JDM at the moment, especially for daily driver cars. Toyota being second. Super intriguing. Its worth noting though that they just increased crate engine prices on Mazda rotarys by like double according to Rob Dahms recent vid sooooo lol
You made a great point. The exact reason I did not buy a firebird or a camaro is because I am short and I cannot see out of them. So I bought a fox body
In a market flooded by SUVs and Crossovers... the world needs more sports cars. Thank you for showing they can still be beautiful and drive-inspiring, Mazda!
Glad to see the rotary is coming back into play. This to me means even if it’s not the star of the show yet, just bringing it to the modern era will cause more R&D to make it a reality.
I want one. This is one of the most beautiful cars I’ve ever seen. I also like the idea of electric propulsion so there’s max power on demand all the time being charged by a constant speed engine.
The TH-camr, Shooting Cars, did an approx. 8 min vid on Pop-Ups and mentioned this as part of one of the reasons they disappeared. While I can certainly see that being a contributor for their decline in the past; given the thinner profile of a pop-up design like this, I think it has a legitimate chance, since there's not as much protruding bulkiness present to be able to injure pedestrians in any meaningful way compared to ones of the past. It'd sure be nice to see them come back.
Its going to be like the mx30 rev. The REV gives 53 miles on battery to the wheels. The rotary the acts as a generator, giving 400 miles more to the battery.
I owned a 2015 Mustang for 9 years and just took home a 2024 Camaro. Granted mine has the camera mirror, but I don't have ANY trouble seeing out of the sides and front of the Camaro. It fits me well and has arguably better front visibility vs. the Mustang. The camera mirror was off putting... for about a half hour. Now it's one of those "how did I get by without this?" things.
What do I think of it? I think I'm more excited about the Honda Prelude because it looks like it's actually going to come out relatively soon and in the same design as what was shown off at the show. Do I like that it's a hybrid and probably has a CVT for the transmission? No, but at this point, I'm just glad that they're coming out with a new coupe-shaped sports car at all. This is Honda I'm talking about, after all. They're one of the most conservative car companies on the planet.
I'm kinda skeptical about it cause we've seen sick looking concepts before, but this one is definitely the best looking one so far, so I got some hopium that they might end up building it. Although the fact that the dorito is just gonna be for charging the battery is gonna be a big bummer. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a rotary in the first place since it's not really connected to the axles so it's gonna feel like an RX7 with a CVT. It's better than nothing but not really how I'd personally want the hybrid to work. If/when they do I can already see people taking out the batteries and the electric motors, fitting a decent gearbox and some big turbos and going all ham with it.
Rotary makes for a lightweight range extender offsetting need for a heavy battery. A torquey AND light EV could be awesome. Better yet, dorito power could still spin the wheels as a parallel hybrid. Looks awesome to me.
@@Jurban1115 Would agree if it did spin the wheels, to some capacity but otherwise you're just gonna have a constant BRAAAAAAAAAA sound cause it'll be running at the same RPM the whole time
What a Miata needs is low end torque. I got a bit of that with my Fast Forward supercharger (220WHP). I get a lot more of that with my Chevy Bolt (the distance it takes the Miata to reach 65, the bolt hits 77). "EV" torque in a Miata would be wonderful. My Volts hybrid system was (IMHO) the best. Engine, generator / motor and motor. When the battery is low enough (leaves 2KWh), the engine powers the generator that powers the motor. At WOT, the motor, motor / generator turns into a motor, and engine provide power to the tires. Hopefully, Mazda uses the same.
as long as they keep the seamless design I think it will age very well like all their other models. They're one of the few brands whos modern offerings don't look outdated in literally less than 5 years. The ND is as close to the NA as possible while being new.
First, I hope they do build it. Second, I hope they realize that it will be much more of a success if they configure it as the Rotary engine driving the wheels, with assistance from the electric motor. Much like a P1 McLaren. And third, I hope they use a better name for it.
They should build 2 versions of this car one that is electric powered hybrid with the rotary then one that is rotary powered with hybrid electric power assist.
Inline-6 Mazda6 is what I'm waiting for. 3.0L twin turbo has SO much potential. With how insane that EPA restrictions have gotten, I don;t think we'll ever see another rotary. Those pop-up headlights also won;t work for countries with DRL requirements. Or at least they'd be up all the time.
Hopefully this is Mazda's plan to be able to keep the rotary alive, indirectly, so support the market and keep going with R&D for as long as possible. Would also be cool is Mazda kinda facilitated the process to convert it to purely rotary driven.
@@oba9041 If they were to roll out one for the general public to purchase that would be a game-changer. They will not have to worry about carbon emissions since it is H2. We will need a lot of nuclear power to produce the H2 to keep up with the demand in the fuel.
The RX8 had a hydrogen variant prototype. Hydrogen works well in a rotary due to its ability to disperse quickly and evenly in the combustion chamber and burn quickly and completely. However the car could run on gasoline too because the hydrogen storage is still a major limitation (for any car) and the RX8's range on hydrogen alone was incredibly small, maybe 100km max. Plus we are talking about rotary efficiency here which also contributed to the terrible range on hydrogen. I think the only way this formula could work is if we had some kind of solid-state hydrogen storage tank (instead of gaseous or liquid hydrogen), hybridization, and turbocharging.
Interesting, I will further look into Mazda's attempt in H2. I always think that the Japanese has something going for there push for H2 as fuel for vehicles. Seeing a corolla running on H2 on a ICE is promising.
I own an FD and would love to see a new rx7 but, I don't see it happing. I think the exterior looks awesome but it would prolly be to expensive for them making a one off engine for a small company like Mazda. Rotary's don't have the best reputation in the automotive world as well so would they even be able to sell them to the general consumer? let alone to a rotary fan like myself that doesn't want an electric RX7? Seems like HUGE gamble for such a tiny automotive company.
Well I love it that mazda is trying but if the rotors ain't going to the wheels it's kind of a bummer I mean atleast 1 rotor 0.6 or what ever it is in the mx 30 just to be like 60ish hp so that you can enjoy it revving and you can still have a clever trans clutch control to disengage when you're not in sport mode so that the engine powers the battery only🤷🏻♂️
I’m pretty sure the Iconic SP will be developed as two separate models (like they did with the RX-8 and NC sharing the same chassis). A smaller MX-5 softop and a slightly larger coupe RX-9 or whatever. The Miata would be electric with just one rotary range extender like the MX-30 r-ev. The RX would have more power and two rotors. I can’t wait. I rented a Mazda 3 for about 2k miles and even if it was an auto with na engine it was such a fun car to drive! I own a more powerful car with stiffer wheels and still that Mazda 3 was such a joy. Unfortunately I can’t buy it where I live cause my city has strict regulations about hybrid and ev cars. Please Mazda, make a Mazda 3 r-ev soon!
Cool concept but I think I like the Furai better. It was Mazdas concept car in 2008 I believe that burned. It was a more aggressive looking mid-engined rotary. One of my favorite looking cars
I REALLY hope they use the electric as some sort of acceleration assist like with the Mclaren P1 (yes I know its a supercar, my point still stands). that would be KILLER If they just use the rotary for a range extender in a sports car I would be dissapointed but I would understand why as the rotary is a very good engine for use as a range extender.
Show zosh some love man 😢 He is going through it and could use some help from people like you in the industry to lift his spirits. I’d hate to see someone like him fail.
Imagine if they accidently made it affordable too. Since this is a prototype, I doubt a lot of this will make it to production. For example; the camera mirrors, pop-up's (for regulations), Bumpers will need to be added somewhere. I hope they keep that smooth look though.
this is the FIRST Mazda car design I have every liked. In fact I think it's one of the most beautiful car designs in the past 20 years! Am looking at buying some Mazda stock because of this new awesome direction they seem to be heading!
The tailights should be epitrochoid plus a rear diffuser mounted rotary shaped F1 style LED that pulses differently at different speed and braking intensity. The tailights on that prototype look too much like indented lotus tailights with an an ellipse to obfuscate them. I like the pop-up headlights but I think they should be more traditional size and utilize a lens and halogen configuration (warm daylight color light). LED headlights are silly, annoying, and dangerous. Make a simple switch to disarm airbags on either side. Front wheel drive EV power when in stop and go traffic, but when you floor it, rear rotary power kicks in. When throttle is neutral, EV resumes but rotary stays on to recharge battery. Since EV motor is in front you could also utilize regenerative braking for decelleration. Also, since there is already a large battery, an electric supercharger could augment the rotary engine power and efficiency for "spirited" driving. (edit: maybe use peltier plates to cool the oil/engine plus generate electricty.)
The SP looks like a handsome Lightning Mcqueen. I would be on board for a "hybrid" that uses an electric motor for launching, giving you a nice 0-60, then the ICE could take over.
The other thing with mazda is they have been making the new mx5 thats lighter than the older mx5’s whilst hitting safety ratings and it should mean the rx-9 shouldn’t weight a silly amount for a sports car
The big hurdles for the rotary engine are emissions, reliability, and torque. The hybrid system helps with emissions and torque, removing the need for turbos, aiding in reliability
Some people are way too imaginative thinking new race car would use just combustion engine. honestly just be happy that its not electric. Some sort of hybrid system will always going to be the only option from now on.
If you watch the most recent Turbos and Temples from mighty car mods a year or so ago, they stopped by Mazda and the guy they talked to had similar words. They've remained pretty consistent over the years.
This is cool and all but honestly I would rather them make a new Mazda6 and MX-6 coupe with the new I6 turbo they have. I love the rotary and the RX line, but I’m a Mazda enthusiast in general and I think an i6 sports car would be better than a series hybrid rotary all day.
That’s why I don’t even know why people are even hyped for this concept. There’s no true engine-to-wheel propulsion. It’s like the Rotary is only for show despite being a “range extender”. This car is pointless.
What I like about the mx5 is how understated it is. I don't care for any of the other more try hard "sport car" options and this.. it falls into that other category.
There are new tech when it comes to rotary. The generator industry has modernized it. They could even use a a rotary to power the batteries on an electric car. Company - Liquid piston.
Looked like a realy nice coupe version of an mx5, that front end on and mx5 nd would be bellissimo. Anyone else notice it had almost 0 body panels too, like they made the whole thing one peice.
I like the rotary idea, actually, they want to get all the benefits of an electric car performance wise while generating the power with a rotary engine, that'll give the car an actual breathing dynamic like internal combustion cars. 🤷🏻♀️
@@jetcitykitty I agree. Even though most enthusiasts and myself included have been waiting for Mazda to bring back the rotary sports car - It would be awesome if Mazda made an EV that didn't need to be plugged into a charging station. One of the main reasons Japan has been slow to adopt fully electric cars is that their power grid simply doesn't have enough electricity to charge the cars and the infrastructure. Conversely, one of the main factors stopping consumers from purchasing EVs is their limited range, long charge times and lack of available charging stations. This rotary powered generator would solve all of those issues and provide the ability of using alternative fuels (hydrogen). I just hope it retains most of the gorgeous styling of the concept and most importantly won't tip the scales at 1800 kg.
yea, you could have like a clear glass cover with "pop ups" under this cover that function the same but under a body flush mount clear cover, would pass safety requirements.
Important clarification: It has a two rotor engine (which I'm assuming they'll call 16C based on all the present information), not two rotary motors. Thanks for the neat video.
If this is anything like the Z, let's all just accept that it might technically exist in the future but nobody will be able to get one for absolutely no reason at all
I like the proto type I think the front end is perfect, except I don’t like the rear end and I can’t say anything about the interior since it wasn’t shown.
Using a rotary engine as a range extender for a battery electric vehicle with a small battery is absolutely genius This greatly reduces the cost and weight of the system... all while solving the largest problem with electric cars: range You don't need to carry around 1200 lb of batteries when most of your driving from day to day is just 50 miles around the city... better to carry around a super lightweight 200 lb rotary engine & 300lbs of batteries. Then when it's road trip time you fill up the tank and you can make pit stops wherever you like This also allows the rotary engine to function in exactly the way that it is the most efficient: super consistent low RPM speed
Something Mazda has been really good at in the past is that the concept cars are very very close to the production version. Look at the original Miata and look at the FD RX7. The concept RX7 was basically just a shaved production version.
Man I get it why they went with a hybrid system. And yes it's sad it's strictly rotary powered. But with the way A rotary engine is designed and makes sense to have it as a Generator of some sort. I can kind of see it having less of a draw than your conventional engines with hybrid systems. Since it already rotates in a circle of some sort. Which means it could probably output more power than a normal engine could because of that fact. That and if they use a 48 V system they can put bigger Electric motors at to give it even more power. And there won't be such a delay between the motor kicking on and the hybrid system as well
The rotary IDEA is awesome…. BUT with all the quirks that come with a rotary engine such as the infamous apex seals and the need for rotary engines to be driven “hard” I truly don’t see it being used in modern vehicles. ESPECIALLY being used as a “GENERATOR” for an electric drivetrain. In terms of combustion engine generated electric energy… the piston engine is just more reliable and consistent. But one can still dream for a modern booster rotary. 😴 💭🍕
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I wonder if they have considered the liquid version of the rotary.
NO you talk about hair products for 2min + - Go away.
Man, if only Mitsubishi also joined the party that'd be sick
lol.
Yeah that comes down to what Nissan wants to do with the company honestly.
Mitsubishi would never now, they made the eclipse a crossover and auctioned off their heritage collection of sports car they had in a museum. They don't care for enthusiasts anymore.
Mitsubishi effed up when they killed the EVO and turned the Eclipse into a crossover…
Fr I want an fto at least
I talked to a Salesman at Mazda in Oregon while car shopping. Old school older gentleman, 20+ years with Mazda sales. He said that the RX9 is definitely going to be a thing, that Mazda is doing a bunch under wraps with the rotary!
Also this was months ago around May/June I got this info 🤙🏽
Hello, my fellow Oregonian/northwesterner. 👋
This comment gives me hopium. I think I convinced my grandfather to get an ND Miata since he wants 1 last sports car again in his life (he is about 80 but he was able to get in and out of the ND). He wants a red soft top with stick, which is how I would spec mine too.
That’s cool back in the early 2006
I had a couple rx7z and 04 rx8
Use to go to my local Mazda dealer for oem parts over the years anyways they been saying the rx9 was happening back in 2012! Man the concepts over the years always gave me hope! But I’m so happy it’s finally happening I miss the sports cars Mazda would produce and there racing history of horse and rider!
The MX30 R-EV is already coming (next year?) so they have the power plant and a proof of concept that they can make a car with it. Nothing is stopping them from putting that powerplant in their RWD chassis (used in the CX60, CX90) and delivering a long wheelbase GT-style sports car. The RX9 fits that bill perfectly. I cant wait to see where they go with this. The MX30 R-EV is already groundbreaking.
The rotary engine is being used as a generator for the batteries so they can pass emissions. I am praying that Mazda will have a back door way to use the rotary as the main power unit to propel the car. If Mazda does not I am sure that there will be a lot of rotary enthusist that will figure away to do so. The new two rotor engine is a 1.6 where the old two rotor was a 1.3. The goal for me would be to mod the 1.6 and keep the batteries to help give torque down low.
Sounds like they will use a hybrid system like the non plug-in hybrid Lexus rx450 . I drove one and did not expect it to be so fun. Power delivery feels like supercharger.
Electric vehicle modding is gonna get wild if ebikes are anything to go by. There are dudes putting 50,000W on a...bicycle. Just you guys wait...electric car tuning is gonna be AMAZING. Give it a couple years. You will see. Just adding double volts practically doubles power. Think of how easy that is...it is gonna make tuning become so easy the government is gonna have to get involved with heavy regulatuons. For example...I run 1100W through a "250w" brushless motor. Just added more volt battery and a higher amp motor controller. Motor runs perfectly fine at 4x the power without any modifications.
@@badgermetalthese are a great source for hybrid powertrains...i used to work at a wreckers and we would sell engine and trans for these for only a few hundred bucks and they had the electric motor attached. Not sure about batteries, but I know the powerplants went for peanuts.
@@AaronHenduhahaha you’re nuts hell no evs arent modable in the slightest i wouldnt say swapping the entire internal system being tuning thats a swap different things people also dont have 10s of thousands of dollars to chuck at battery packs thats straight up delusion
(Possibly the extra displacement is for whatever they propose you should use for fuel, I suppose, though.)
No "it ruined everything" tag? My life is a lie. This is the end, i can't anymore.
Edit: He actually updated the thumbnail now and add the ruined everything tag 😂😅
Good bait-click
I work on the Mazda line at Mazda Toyota Manufacturing. I wasn't a fan until I noticed the Kodo design, how luxurious the interiors are, and the tactility of the buttons. I'm happy that they're going to produce a car like this. Our Japanese advisors are PASSIONATE about their product. I'd get a Mazda if I wasn't deadset on a used Cayenne turbo or S7.
Hol up? Like the Saleen S7?
@@ssaiyyrissssuzzuyyaa Audi, most likely.
@@davidd9619helluva of a cross shop
@@ssaiyyrissssuzzuyyaathought that too 💀
I think it’s be a hit as Mazda didn’t price it clean out of sight. Now Mitsubishi needs to get back in the game with a new 3000GT “inspired” halo car and it’s GAME ON!
Sell a rebadged version with different front and back as the 4000GT.
Unfortunately, the game is off. There is no comparison.
This happened in Japan until the GFC. Prior to that the Japan real estate market was feeding the tuner market. Eventually people got old had kids and nobody had the money to replace them. While their cars are dope, they are only worth something if someone younger wants to buy them
Just wanted to say thank you for signing my hat at Cosmic Drift, I didn’t get a chance to say thank you(understandably so). Awesome chill dude! Thanks again!!
Did you get a smooch or nah
@@jessejlewismeng lol na🤣 i was just fan boying a bit. Due to being active military Im not able to just go out do fun stuff like i would like to so i figured id ask so i have something as a memory. If i was able to go that 1st day, i would have asked tpain and hert as well🤷🏻♂️
Stop with the "Ruined everything" graphic please
They have done a lot to work on the fuel efficiency of modern rotary, especially whats in their hybrids. Port+direct injection and exhaust recirculation etc. supposedly has increased efficiency by 30% give or take. The new concept looks cool though. Mazda has probably the best looking modern design in JDM at the moment, especially for daily driver cars. Toyota being second. Super intriguing. Its worth noting though that they just increased crate engine prices on Mazda rotarys by like double according to Rob Dahms recent vid sooooo lol
You made a great point. The exact reason I did not buy a firebird or a camaro is because I am short and I cannot see out of them. So I bought a fox body
In a market flooded by SUVs and Crossovers... the world needs more sports cars. Thank you for showing they can still be beautiful and drive-inspiring, Mazda!
Glad to see the rotary is coming back into play. This to me means even if it’s not the star of the show yet, just bringing it to the modern era will cause more R&D to make it a reality.
I want one. This is one of the most beautiful cars I’ve ever seen. I also like the idea of electric propulsion so there’s max power on demand all the time being charged by a constant speed engine.
Thought pop up headlights going away was mainly due to new crash restrictions. Pop ups are too sharp, doubt any production car would have it
The TH-camr, Shooting Cars, did an approx. 8 min vid on Pop-Ups and mentioned this as part of one of the reasons they disappeared.
While I can certainly see that being a contributor for their decline in the past; given the thinner profile of a pop-up design like this, I think it has a legitimate chance, since there's not as much protruding bulkiness present to be able to injure pedestrians in any meaningful way compared to ones of the past.
It'd sure be nice to see them come back.
Its going to be like the mx30 rev. The REV gives 53 miles on battery to the wheels. The rotary the acts as a generator, giving 400 miles more to the battery.
I owned a 2015 Mustang for 9 years and just took home a 2024 Camaro. Granted mine has the camera mirror, but I don't have ANY trouble seeing out of the sides and front of the Camaro. It fits me well and has arguably better front visibility vs. the Mustang. The camera mirror was off putting... for about a half hour. Now it's one of those "how did I get by without this?" things.
Congratulations Camaro is the better car unless you only care about 800 whip
She's definitely a looker 🥵🥵🥵 if only they just made a 787b-bodied car for the road
What do I think of it? I think I'm more excited about the Honda Prelude because it looks like it's actually going to come out relatively soon and in the same design as what was shown off at the show. Do I like that it's a hybrid and probably has a CVT for the transmission? No, but at this point, I'm just glad that they're coming out with a new coupe-shaped sports car at all. This is Honda I'm talking about, after all. They're one of the most conservative car companies on the planet.
The RX vision was a over all better looking concept vehicle.
I'm kinda skeptical about it cause we've seen sick looking concepts before, but this one is definitely the best looking one so far, so I got some hopium that they might end up building it.
Although the fact that the dorito is just gonna be for charging the battery is gonna be a big bummer. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a rotary in the first place since it's not really connected to the axles so it's gonna feel like an RX7 with a CVT. It's better than nothing but not really how I'd personally want the hybrid to work.
If/when they do I can already see people taking out the batteries and the electric motors, fitting a decent gearbox and some big turbos and going all ham with it.
Rotary makes for a lightweight range extender offsetting need for a heavy battery. A torquey AND light EV could be awesome. Better yet, dorito power could still spin the wheels as a parallel hybrid. Looks awesome to me.
Mazda has always kept very close to their concepts. Hopefully this is another
@@Jurban1115 Would agree if it did spin the wheels, to some capacity but otherwise you're just gonna have a constant BRAAAAAAAAAA sound cause it'll be running at the same RPM the whole time
you brought up the nissan Z and it made me remember that i still haven’t seen one in person or heard anything about them dropping the dealer mark up.
It would be nice to see, especially as a rotary hybrid. That’s if they go that route…they need to get back into the game!!
outer body style is INSTANTLY EPIC and beautiful.
That long hood isn't even necessary for a rotary engine. I'd rather see them use their new inline six in that car.
Thanks for bringing up Mazda's focus on driver visibility. I don't need any cameras in my Rx-8 because I have an excellent view all around my car.
I’m so impressed by the fact that the bodywork of the Iconic SP has so few crease lines. It’s so damn clean!
What a Miata needs is low end torque. I got a bit of that with my Fast Forward supercharger (220WHP). I get a lot more of that with my Chevy Bolt (the distance it takes the Miata to reach 65, the bolt hits 77). "EV" torque in a Miata would be wonderful.
My Volts hybrid system was (IMHO) the best. Engine, generator / motor and motor. When the battery is low enough (leaves 2KWh), the engine powers the generator that powers the motor. At WOT, the motor, motor / generator turns into a motor, and engine provide power to the tires. Hopefully, Mazda uses the same.
as long as they keep the seamless design I think it will age very well like all their other models. They're one of the few brands whos modern offerings don't look outdated in literally less than 5 years. The ND is as close to the NA as possible while being new.
First, I hope they do build it. Second, I hope they realize that it will be much more of a success if they configure it as the Rotary engine driving the wheels, with assistance from the electric motor. Much like a P1 McLaren. And third, I hope they use a better name for it.
They should build 2 versions of this car one that is electric powered hybrid with the rotary then one that is rotary powered with hybrid electric power assist.
This
3, one that is powered by the inline 6 as well
All of the above guys!!
Im really looking forward to the bodykits morely from ReAmemiya and TcpMagic if they make them
Any new car drops...
David: IT RUINED EVERYTHING
The Mazda 3 is the best looking car in it;s segment....was at the dealer grandfather looking for a Miata but all the modern Mazdas just look so good.
I believe 'see better' refers to the great driving views of 90's JDM cars. In a 300ZX for example the road is right in front of you.
How many videos can you make that have "ruined everything" in the title
SP has history at mazda. Rx3 and rx4 came in SP trim as the top trim. Maybe that's why most don't get the SP name. 50 years...
Inline-6 Mazda6 is what I'm waiting for. 3.0L twin turbo has SO much potential.
With how insane that EPA restrictions have gotten, I don;t think we'll ever see another rotary.
Those pop-up headlights also won;t work for countries with DRL requirements. Or at least they'd be up all the time.
Hopefully this is Mazda's plan to be able to keep the rotary alive, indirectly, so support the market and keep going with R&D for as long as possible. Would also be cool is Mazda kinda facilitated the process to convert it to purely rotary driven.
We get hydrogen and e-fuels developed enough before 40 years from now and emissions will be the last thing worried about
The rotary is the best ICE engine for hydrogen gas combustion. Still produces NOx. It only makes sense if hydrogen refuelling is ubiquitous
Rotary engines run with hydrogen would be awesome!
Mazda has made hydrogen concepts in the past but they never sold them to the public. At least to my knowledge
@@oba9041 If they were to roll out one for the general public to purchase that would be a game-changer. They will not have to worry about carbon emissions since it is H2. We will need a lot of nuclear power to produce the H2 to keep up with the demand in the fuel.
@@SAM_Felipe agreed.
The RX8 had a hydrogen variant prototype. Hydrogen works well in a rotary due to its ability to disperse quickly and evenly in the combustion chamber and burn quickly and completely. However the car could run on gasoline too because the hydrogen storage is still a major limitation (for any car) and the RX8's range on hydrogen alone was incredibly small, maybe 100km max. Plus we are talking about rotary efficiency here which also contributed to the terrible range on hydrogen. I think the only way this formula could work is if we had some kind of solid-state hydrogen storage tank (instead of gaseous or liquid hydrogen), hybridization, and turbocharging.
Interesting, I will further look into Mazda's attempt in H2. I always think that the Japanese has something going for there push for H2 as fuel for vehicles. Seeing a corolla running on H2 on a ICE is promising.
You know i feel that theres a little bit of second gen lotus Elise combined with a FC RX7
I own an FD and would love to see a new rx7 but, I don't see it happing. I think the exterior looks awesome but it would prolly be to expensive for them making a one off engine for a small company like Mazda. Rotary's don't have the best reputation in the automotive world as well so would they even be able to sell them to the general consumer? let alone to a rotary fan like myself that doesn't want an electric RX7? Seems like HUGE gamble for such a tiny automotive company.
Not only did I get to be excited for a new concept car, but watching this I also found what my chili was missing.
It's a good day now.
Well I love it that mazda is trying but if the rotors ain't going to the wheels it's kind of a bummer I mean atleast 1 rotor 0.6 or what ever it is in the mx 30 just to be like 60ish hp so that you can enjoy it revving and you can still have a clever trans clutch control to disengage when you're not in sport mode so that the engine powers the battery only🤷🏻♂️
I’m pretty sure the Iconic SP will be developed as two separate models (like they did with the RX-8 and NC sharing the same chassis). A smaller MX-5 softop and a slightly larger coupe RX-9 or whatever. The Miata would be electric with just one rotary range extender like the MX-30 r-ev. The RX would have more power and two rotors. I can’t wait. I rented a Mazda 3 for about 2k miles and even if it was an auto with na engine it was such a fun car to drive! I own a more powerful car with stiffer wheels and still that Mazda 3 was such a joy. Unfortunately I can’t buy it where I live cause my city has strict regulations about hybrid and ev cars. Please Mazda, make a Mazda 3 r-ev soon!
I got an FD rx7 eariler this year and i`m telling you, if the RX9 come out at the price range of the supra, imam 100% buying one
Congrats!
Dude it's time for a new thumbnail
This needs to come out asap, I don't care what kind of motor just as long as it's 300+ HP
Cool concept but I think I like the Furai better. It was Mazdas concept car in 2008 I believe that burned. It was a more aggressive looking mid-engined rotary. One of my favorite looking cars
A car that doesn’t look like every other car, I’m sold
It looks sexy. It looks like a Lotus, curves of a Ferrari. Beautiful car ❤
I REALLY hope they use the electric as some sort of acceleration assist like with the Mclaren P1 (yes I know its a supercar, my point still stands). that would be KILLER
If they just use the rotary for a range extender in a sports car I would be dissapointed but I would understand why as the rotary is a very good engine for use as a range extender.
David, tell them to build it. I think they'll listen to you. You're by far the most likeable car TH-camr with pull. They need to build it
Owning multiple RX8s I'm so exited. I love rotary!!!
Show zosh some love man 😢 He is going through it and could use some help from people like you in the industry to lift his spirits. I’d hate to see someone like him fail.
Imagine if they accidently made it affordable too.
Since this is a prototype, I doubt a lot of this will make it to production. For example; the camera mirrors, pop-up's (for regulations), Bumpers will need to be added somewhere.
I hope they keep that smooth look though.
this is the FIRST Mazda car design I have every liked. In fact I think it's one of the most beautiful car designs in the past 20 years! Am looking at buying some Mazda stock because of this new awesome direction they seem to be heading!
Whatever it is it will be great!!!! but we do need more Mazda P5 Love!!!!
calling an electric car with a rotary generator a rotary sports car is really a stretching it
That’s literally what the SP is.
People are hyping over nothing. There’s no true engine-to-wheel propulsion.
This thing is a disappointment.
im willing to bet money the pop up headlights wont happen. Espescially how small they are.
The tailights should be epitrochoid plus a rear diffuser mounted rotary shaped F1 style LED that pulses differently at different speed and braking intensity. The tailights on that prototype look too much like indented lotus tailights with an an ellipse to obfuscate them. I like the pop-up headlights but I think they should be more traditional size and utilize a lens and halogen configuration (warm daylight color light). LED headlights are silly, annoying, and dangerous. Make a simple switch to disarm airbags on either side. Front wheel drive EV power when in stop and go traffic, but when you floor it, rear rotary power kicks in. When throttle is neutral, EV resumes but rotary stays on to recharge battery. Since EV motor is in front you could also utilize regenerative braking for decelleration. Also, since there is already a large battery, an electric supercharger could augment the rotary engine power and efficiency for "spirited" driving. (edit: maybe use peltier plates to cool the oil/engine plus generate electricty.)
I miss my s5 fc turboII with 2400 lbs.
The SP looks like a handsome Lightning Mcqueen. I would be on board for a "hybrid" that uses an electric motor for launching, giving you a nice 0-60, then the ICE could take over.
Awesome news. Side note, loving that wall design.
I used to think rotary was cool and practical.
It is not either.
But 'maybe' as a charging unit in a hybrid.
I'm liking the new Miata styling tho.
The other thing with mazda is they have been making the new mx5 thats lighter than the older mx5’s whilst hitting safety ratings and it should mean the rx-9 shouldn’t weight a silly amount for a sports car
Dude …that dude with the hair 😂. Great video 👏👏
I wonder if that rotary generator can be made light enough to power a flying EV. If so, it'd be a game changer.
They already use small rotaries all over in aviation. It is their most suited purpose.
@@AaronHendu but not as a generator for a battery powered electric vehicle.
As a former 1993 RX-7 R1 owner Mazda needs to bring back RX-7 equivalent with a 3 rotor turbo hybrid assisted battery power not the other way around.
The big hurdles for the rotary engine are emissions, reliability, and torque. The hybrid system helps with emissions and torque, removing the need for turbos, aiding in reliability
saw thatdudeinblue and that it was thatguymarin, now i have a new channel to watch
The Japanese Domestic Market market is in trouble.
Mitsubishi where u at? We miss u
Some people are way too imaginative thinking new race car would use just combustion engine. honestly just be happy that its not electric. Some sort of hybrid system will always going to be the only option from now on.
I remember The Minority Report. The car that Tom was, he sat in it sideways. I could be wrong about this, except I believe it was a Lexus.
If you watch the most recent Turbos and Temples from mighty car mods a year or so ago, they stopped by Mazda and the guy they talked to had similar words. They've remained pretty consistent over the years.
This is cool and all but honestly I would rather them make a new Mazda6 and MX-6 coupe with the new I6 turbo they have. I love the rotary and the RX line, but I’m a Mazda enthusiast in general and I think an i6 sports car would be better than a series hybrid rotary all day.
Pop-up up-and-down headlights! Aside from that, this is exciting to see. I just hope it follows through in some form!
Every new car ruins everything every week 😂
A rotary that charges a battery, no thanks
Love your work brother 👍
It's a great EV design. It's just not an "RX" rotary
I saw a video a couple months back where Mazda stated the rotary would only come back to charge batteries in electric cars. A shame, I loved my RX7.
That’s why I don’t even know why people are even hyped for this concept. There’s no true engine-to-wheel propulsion. It’s like the Rotary is only for show despite being a “range extender”.
This car is pointless.
What I like about the mx5 is how understated it is. I don't care for any of the other more try hard "sport car" options and this.. it falls into that other category.
There are new tech when it comes to rotary. The generator industry has modernized it. They could even use a a rotary to power the batteries on an electric car. Company - Liquid piston.
Looked like a realy nice coupe version of an mx5, that front end on and mx5 nd would be bellissimo.
Anyone else notice it had almost 0 body panels too, like they made the whole thing one peice.
I like the rotary idea, actually, they want to get all the benefits of an electric car performance wise while generating the power with a rotary engine, that'll give the car an actual breathing dynamic like internal combustion cars. 🤷🏻♀️
While at the same time getting energy from sustainable fuels and "charging" the battery with an engine is pretty novel.
@@jetcitykitty I agree. Even though most enthusiasts and myself included have been waiting for Mazda to bring back the rotary sports car - It would be awesome if Mazda made an EV that didn't need to be plugged into a charging station. One of the main reasons Japan has been slow to adopt fully electric cars is that their power grid simply doesn't have enough electricity to charge the cars and the infrastructure. Conversely, one of the main factors stopping consumers from purchasing EVs is their limited range, long charge times and lack of available charging stations. This rotary powered generator would solve all of those issues and provide the ability of using alternative fuels (hydrogen). I just hope it retains most of the gorgeous styling of the concept and most importantly won't tip the scales at 1800 kg.
If standard pop up headlights don't work why can't we just have slides that cover the headlights? It'd still be cool as hell but nobody does it
yea, you could have like a clear glass cover with "pop ups" under this cover that function the same but under a body flush mount clear cover, would pass safety requirements.
Important clarification: It has a two rotor engine (which I'm assuming they'll call 16C based on all the present information), not two rotary motors. Thanks for the neat video.
If this is anything like the Z, let's all just accept that it might technically exist in the future but nobody will be able to get one for absolutely no reason at all
I love pop up headlights, have you seen the pop up headlight design some one did for the 350z? I love it
I like the proto type I think the front end is perfect, except I don’t like the rear end and I can’t say anything about the interior since it wasn’t shown.
I’m in Dallas, TX. WHAT CURVY ROADS? It’s flat and all we have are highways. Try keeping up with that black Altima without a bumper in a Miata.
Using a rotary engine as a range extender for a battery electric vehicle with a small battery is absolutely genius
This greatly reduces the cost and weight of the system... all while solving the largest problem with electric cars: range
You don't need to carry around 1200 lb of batteries when most of your driving from day to day is just 50 miles around the city... better to carry around a super lightweight 200 lb rotary engine & 300lbs of batteries.
Then when it's road trip time you fill up the tank and you can make pit stops wherever you like
This also allows the rotary engine to function in exactly the way that it is the most efficient: super consistent low RPM speed
No rotary directly to wheels, no rotary sports car. This is betrayal.
I see some Pontiac Salsa in it as well. Thought pop-ups were taken down for pedestrian safety. 🤔
Not gonna lie I'm digging the pop up head lights
Something Mazda has been really good at in the past is that the concept cars are very very close to the production version. Look at the original Miata and look at the FD RX7. The concept RX7 was basically just a shaved production version.
This is a terrible idea. A regular hybrid is a FAR superior system.
Man I get it why they went with a hybrid system. And yes it's sad it's strictly rotary powered. But with the way A rotary engine is designed and makes sense to have it as a Generator of some sort. I can kind of see it having less of a draw than your conventional engines with hybrid systems. Since it already rotates in a circle of some sort. Which means it could probably output more power than a normal engine could because of that fact. That and if they use a 48 V system they can put bigger Electric motors at to give it even more power. And there won't be such a delay between the motor kicking on and the hybrid system as well
The rotary IDEA is awesome….
BUT with all the quirks that come with a rotary engine such as the infamous apex seals and the need for rotary engines to be driven “hard” I truly don’t see it being used in modern vehicles. ESPECIALLY being used as a “GENERATOR” for an electric drivetrain.
In terms of combustion engine generated electric energy… the piston engine is just more reliable and consistent.
But one can still dream for a modern booster rotary. 😴 💭🍕
Imagine a Mazdaspeed edition. Would be nice to battle against the supra and Z. Imagine if Mitsubishi brought back the Evo and...ECLIPSE...GSX
I knew you'd be pleasantly surprised, Dave 😊