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"You have faith, I have deeds. Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds". "Only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven". "Whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven and whatsoever you loosen on earth is loosened in heaven" "Recieve The Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." ☦️🇻🇦 Outside The One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus there is no Salvation. "With God all things are possible". "Faith without works is DEAD." th-cam.com/play/PLUcjoO2Bj8AsiGYdzfqZyXae1lhMw_p2s.html
Works with faith is salvation if you have faith but don’t show it then what good is faith alone.If you see a homeless man that’s hungry and you can help him you won’t just be like God will help him I have faith in it but Maybe God put you there to help him so that is works in faith not just faith alone
@@brianmachuca5074 Salvation in the Bible is NEVER works with faith. The apostle Paul insists that salvation is given to us only by grace. It is impossible for us to obtain a perfect righteousness by our own faith or our own good works. It is Christ’s faith and His works that count. This is why God gives us salvation by grace-as a gift. “For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8 Grace and works are exact opposites. Rewards come by the practice of works, but mercy comes by the application of grace. In the Bible, salvation is ALWAYS and exclusively by grace.
I'm going to simply say this for everyone. You don't do good works to be saved. You don't just assume you're saved in Faith naturally. If you love the Lord, as you change your heart and transform your life, you do good works because you are saved just like in the fifth commandment when you want to honor thy father and thy mother. And you're promised a long life and so forth. If you do well, God also promises people who do the good works because they're naturally saved. We'll also live life in a different way. So how repeat it? You don't do good works to be saved. You don't have Faith in a blind way. You naturally will do good works because you are saved not to be saved. That's why we become new creatures in Christ. And have a new spirit, a new heart. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. The Catholic Church literally canonized the bible. The bible was created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
Solomon turned his HEART away from the Lord and built altars to other gods. Other OT characters like Saul murdered people and turned from God. Anyone seeking EVIDENCE of Solomon’s faith at that time would not have seen any evidence and would have labelled him unsaved. Solomon is the wisest man that ever lived and he is definitely in heaven, as is Saul. Was Solomon saved when his HEART turned to other gods and when he built high places to them? Of course he was! To argue that a saved believer cannot commit heinous sin is not supported by scripture. One has to misinterpret the text to form that false belief. 1 Kings 11:4-10 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives TURNED AWAY his HEART after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. 9 And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the Lord God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, 10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the Lord commanded.
I was that man 5 years ago I found Jesus and was reborn and I am runing from that old man to him every day God bless you and come to nm my home is yours
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@Peter Cho Thanks and that Rock is Christ 1 Corinthians 10:4. Jesus church was built on Jesus and His finished work on Calvary. The Lord is my Rock and my fortress. Always the Rock refers to the Lord. I’ve subscribed to your TH-cam channel and I now have started a youtube channel Kindly subscribe in Jesus name
I’m so glad to have another “on the street” video with Jeff. I know it’s a little harder than in the early days, but the more of these on the channel the better, IMO.
Been married to a lawyer for a loonnnnngggg time. Arguing with one is like trying to nail Jello to the wall. Those folks have to figure it out themselves. Because they are always right, and even if they’re not, they’re very sure they are. If it’s His will, God will chase this man down and smack him in the face with the truth, and there’s no arguing with that.
@@handeyecoordinationskills While the biblical Mary is with God and said to listen and to do what Jesus said to do, the the false Mary of catholicism: the "queen of heaven, mother of God", is a false prophetess, that is only found in paganism. And rightly so; since Romanism is nothing more that paganism with an extremely light garb of Christian verbiage to sell it to the highly deceived laity.
@Patrick Parkrr Apologia literally has a whole like 15 or so minute video of nothing but clips of Jeff sharing the Gospel. So in not sure what you're getting at but brother Jeff knows the Gospel very well and shares it regularly.
@@og1jinnobe117 It really helps when you understand that James isn't talking about justification given the surrounding context. Rather, he is talking about the results of one already justified.
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder. 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[b] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
icypirate11 It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. Worshipping the bible is idolatry, we are ONLY called to worship Jesus. It is important to note that the Catholic Church canonized the bible and the bible was literally created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity and how we are called to worship. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus the *same* way through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. There was no Pastor Jeff sharing his interpretation of scripture at his non-denomination church nor was there Martin Luther and his thousands of Protestantism denominations. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
Ya see, the problem is, everyone thinks we Catholics believe that we can “work our way to salvation”… but that implies exclusivity regarding “works”. Jesus tells us himself that “you will know them by their fruits”. This is what we catholics mean. How can you call yourself a Christian if you do not produce the fruit of the vine?
@@CornerstoneMinistry316 The Sacraments we’re instituted by Jesus himself… they’re efficacious signs of grace and needed for salvation. Obviously not all are but baptism and the Eucharist are certainly needed. If you’re a Christian and not Catholic that doesn’t mean you’re going to hell, but Jesus said you have no life in you if you don’t eat his body and drink his blood.
@@cooldude71120All respect and love from me, brother. Jesus wasn’t born over the law but under it. Part of the Old Testament law was keeping from consumption of blood, if you did this then you were ostracized from the community and condemned, even the apostles knew this. In order for Jesus to die for our salvation, pay the price for our sin, He would have had to be completely sinless. If He had consumed the blood of himself, He certainly would have broken the law and dirtied Himself with sin which makes His sacrifice empty. Jesus was known for speaking in parables, metaphors, ways for us to understand because we had such a hard time grasping the prior revelations of God. We were evil. When He says to drink His blood and eat His flesh (bread and wine), He was speaking symbolically… “in remembrance of me”-as said by Jesus and cited later by Paul. Jesus was not feeding apostles his physical nor spiritual blood, it was a metaphor for them to grasp the idea of the breaking of his body and spilling of his blood in order to cleanse them of their sin. Do it in remembrance of Him, but it is not physically blood and flesh. I love you, open to talk about it ! Doing something in remembrance is what makes it not so literal. If we do something in remembrance of someone, we are not reliving the events literally but figuratively to honor them.
The fruit doesnt come by the work alone; faith is a seed, the seed produces a tree, and then the tree gives the fruit. Two things you did only: planting the seed, and watering it. The planting would be accepting Jesus; watering would be hearing the word. The fruit is the product of the seed; the fruit Christ produces goes more than just doing the work, this has to do with born again; being born again comes by the Spirit, not the work.
This works the same way if a dedicated professional catholic approaches an unprepared baptist or any other protestant, as half of them don't know their Bible either. And I say so as a baptist church member.
As a Catholic (who personally loves a lot of what Apologia does) this "Catholic" guy is well-intentioned but doesn't accurately represent Catholic beliefs. The Catholic Church teaches: - The books of the Bible are inspired by God, including the Epistles of Paul, Peter, James, etc. They're not just human opinions, but the inerrant word of God. - James and Paul do not each have a different soteriology. There is only one gospel message by which people are saved, and the whole of Scripture agrees. - No one can earn their salvation. The idea that we can earn our salvation is a heresy (Pelagianism) condemned by the Catholic Church. We are saved by grace.
Thanks for this man. Do you believe you are saved by grace alone though? Meaning, nothing we do earns us salvation and that it is only by the grace of God poured out on us that we believe and are saved?
Well, to be honest, I'm a little concerned when I see a word like "alone" being inserted into phrases, because it seems to dissected. I mean, if we're saved by grace alone, what about Jesus? He's not grace, but obviously we need him for salvation. Faith is also necessary, but that's different from grace as well, so because of that, strictly speaking we're not saved by grace alone. See what I mean? Not trying to be nitpicky, just explaining why I don't see it as cut and dry as "grace alone" even though I totally believe what the Catholic Church teaches: that we can't earn our salvation by our own good works, but it's an unmerited gift from God. In fact, the only way we can do good works is through God's grace given to us first.
@@isaaclongworthcc I hear that man. When I and other Christians say "alone", we mean that we are saved solely by the grace of God through faith and NOT by any of our own works or merit. Meaning, even if we are a "good person" we cannot enter into heaven because we are all sinners. Therefore, the only way we can get to heaven is by God granting repentance to us, therefore we say we are saved by His grace alone. Does that make sense?
Yeah, that makes more sense thanks for clarifying! In that case, as you describe it, I would say that we're saved by grace alone but not by faith alone. Grace alone seems much more supported by scripture, whereas faith alone is explicitly denied by Scripture. I definitely agree with you that none of us are "good" enough to get into Heaven of our own accord, we need God's grace. My sinful deeds have earned Hell, but Jesus' work on the cross bought my salvation.
So then how can you or Jeff properly interpret scripture? How do you know your not being deceived? How can you trust that your interpretation is the correct one?
@@colegest9742 The Word of God (Scripture) interprets itself. Scripture interprets scripture. We must remember that Scripture is not just some book. According to Heb 4:12, it is alive and active. It doesn't need a living being to bring out its meaning. This also leads to the teaching that not only does Scripture interprets itself, but it also interprets us. It is the written/verbal life of the Word of God. Sola Scriptura! So to answer your question, in order to know if we're understanding scripture correctly, we must first understand that the Word of God does not contradict itself. If it seems contradicting to a person, then they must not be understanding it correctly. A possible follow up question is how may a person find the answer to their question if they haven't fully studies the Bible? Well, that is why Scripture tells us that Church fellowship/leadership is important. That you may seek help from your fellow brothers and sisters. :) Sola Scriptura!
@@colegest9742 If you google "Chris Harrison Bible cross-references", he showed an image that shows how a passage is explained or interpreted in another passage or part of the bible. Goes to show that the answer or explanation to what you're looking for is probably explained in another passage. Pretty awesome photo!
@@colegest9742 it's very important to read the verses before and after, right before you have John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” This explains the meaning of John 6:53-56.
He's a lawyer. I find the most educated in the beast system in which we live are the most deceived and hardest to undeceive, because of their *PRIDE* in their intellect.
@@evenruderanger7617 You have eyes to see and ears to hear. Glory be to GOD! I'm glad to see another true believer. God's in charge. He does all that is good. anything i do thats good comes from him. Bless you Ranger.
Exactly, and he ended up trying to control the convo b/c he had no solid footing. Even his 'legal' retort was demolished with Jeff's rebuttal. Just sad how some people do not want to abide sound reasoning, especially someone as learned and intelligent as this man.
Man every time I watch Apologia church and witness their knowledge and love of scripture, I am ashamed that as a believe in Jesus, I do not have the same knowledge they do. Lord help me thirst for your word more each day!
It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. Worshipping the bible is idolatry, we are ONLY called to worship Jesus. It is important to note that the Catholic Church canonized the bible and the bible was literally created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity and how we are called to worship. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus the *same* way through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. There was no Pastor Jeff sharing his interpretation of scripture at his non-denomination church nor was there Martin Luther and his thousands of Protestantism denominations. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
@@SuperrBoyful Amen! I always wonder how such learned people can study the bible with such passion and come away with "God is the author of evil". It seems like that would make Him the biggest sinner of all.
@@homerfrancis9018 & Banner I always felt we are to worship God through Christ. Just as we, after we believe the Spirit of Truth do works that are not in vain. Faith without works is dead. The Word also says "if you love me you will keep my commandments" Andrew I love the word and study every day some passage or another, cross reference, defining words and all, maybe I'm always learning something new, maybe I am never coming to the truth, cause I still see that we are to follow the commands as well and do what ever the Spirit leaded us to while testing the Spirit with scripture. Not being a Catholic I still see this guys point on the book of James.I too get nervous when talking the bible face to face with others, I usually think of everyone as knowing the gospel and who on Gods green earth would want to deny it. Any way what say you to help me see this any different that what a Catholic would. I don't celebrate Christ Mass or Easter, and always ask the Spirit to lead me to anyone in need when I go in public. Am I wrong or missing something? If our Faith isn't growing aren't we falling away?
@@SuperrBoyful If scripture is the word of God and we are to worship God and God only, then your statement is self condemning according to what you first said.
@@jadato-the-o3565 You’re right, scripture is the word of God & we are only to worship Jesus Christ. That’s what Catholics have been preaching for over 2,000 years. Protestants however believe Martin Luther’s relatively new doctrine of “Bible Alone” and think it’s the only thing Jesus Christ left us & is to be interpreted independently. This idea is not scriptural or anything remotely close to what early Christians believed. I suggest you study Early Christianity starting with the post-apostolic Christians and finishing with the Early Church Fathers & you’ll see the dilemma in protestantism. The doctrine of “Bible alone” is a man-made doctrine created by Martin Luther, who interestingly enough was also Catholic & only wanted to fix a few things about the Church. The intent was never to create over 25,000 different denominations which began around 1500 AD. We see in the Bible, we were never meant to interpret scripture independently. 2 Peter 1:20 “Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things." When you study early Christianity & the Bible in it’s proper context, you’ll notice there was clearly a tradition that encompassed before scripture, & scripture arose from that tradition, also known as the “mass.” 2 Thessalonians 2:15 “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.”
@@josiahpulemau6214 Can’t take the milk until he humbles himself and comes as a babe. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 1 Peter 1:22-25; 2:1-3 KJV
@@scooterp7009 You can even go as far as that, I agree sir. Back to the root of it. A man of works without the faith is as good as a man who is all about the world. Good point and backed by scripture. Glory to God
When I looked to works to get out of my sin I failed time and time again, when I looked to Christ He pulled me out of that pit, where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.
The really sad thing is that the Catholic guy doesn't think he is the opposition. He thinks they differ on a nonessential. When in fact our salvation rests only in Christ's atonement on the cross. The Catholic was insistent that we had a part the atonement by our merits, which revealed a huge chasm between Pastor Durbin, and the Catholic gentleman.
@andya2665 it is true that we do offer God some atonement on our part. This is quite biblical if you look up the word atonement in the Bible. Although our sins are forgiven, their are temporal consequences for sin. For example, we slap out sibling in the face, we ask God for forgiveness and God forgives us, we still owe some restitution to the person we wounded. That really is an important part of reconciliation to God to try to atone for our sins. Jesus is not doing everything for you, you must participate in your own justification. That is why Saint Paul writes to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
I love watching, listening and learning from Pastor Jeff. He’s an inspiration in a fallen world, sharing the knowledge of God with everyone in such a loving and patient way. Thank you Pastor Jeff, you have touched me and through me others !
Wow man. These guys are awesome at what they do. ALL GLORY TO GOD. But Jeff is the most patient most informed best debater of truth that I ever saw. The johny Cochran of religious debates.
So how do you explain James? Is it true that Luther didn’t want James in the canon? Is it true that Luther added the German word for “only” into the scripture?
What part of James? As an ex-Catholic, I think I know what to you're referring to, but I want you to copy and paste your text here so I can know for sure. There is an answer to your dilemma.
@@davidhall2197 The entirety of James refers its seems to behavior. It is a quite striking epistle that tells us how to act in faith. It seems as though there is a temptation to make the scripture subject to dialectic tension between seeming metaphysical contradictions. Pastor Jeff challenged this man asking him if James contradicts Peter. The Bible does not contradict itself. So to ask that question is to really throw out the baby with the batch water. I asked 3 questions in my OP. Do you have answers for them?
@@deanodebo To your other two questons: 2. There is still controversy today whether he wanted to exclude it or not, but there is no controversy about his hostility toward it. 3.Yes, he did. But it was not in James. It was in Romans 3. And I sure as heck don't condone it, either. There was no need to add it. Scripture speaks for itself. In my opinion and many a Bible scholar, you're not seeing what James was saying. When biblical hermeneutics is applied, it IS faith alone that redeems us. Paul makes this clear in his letter to the Ephesians Chapter 2. If it is faith and works, then it is earned and not a gift freely given by God. Our works are a result of our faith. Even Jesus said, when asked by His disciples, how would we know our brothers and sisters in Him from those that are not, "YOU will know THEM by their fruits." That's the gist of James' letter. James 2 Faith and Works 14 What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17 In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. 18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show ME your faith without the works, and I will show YOU my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was our father Abraham not justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 YOU SEE that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God. 24 YOU SEE that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was Rahab the prostitute not justified by works also when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. God already sees the hearts of men, an ability man cannot see. Therefor, the works are an external witness of our faith before man, not God. Like a wedding ring is an external sign for all to see one is married. Sheep don't go baah-baah to become or remain sheep, they bleat because they ARE sheep. Likewise, as Christians, if we are truly Christians, our works are a result of our faith because we ARE His children, not to become or remain. Now, you may say, "Yes, but we can walk away from those works and reject His salvation. No, you can't. Again, if one is really a "slave" to Christ. The Holy Spirit will hound that person to submission. "Greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world." I know, I've been there. He was brutal on me. Lesson learned, but still being sanctified daily. I'm an ex-Catholic, I know what they teach. After reading scripture and seeking sources outside the RCC, including the ancient languages, I see where Luther and the Reformers were right. That was 40 years ago. Now, I don't belong to any of the Reformation era churches, they have real problems in their communion of their own). I consider myself a simple Evangelical Christian. Holding fast, yes, to the Apostles and Nicene Creeds of old. None of this "progressive" Christianity (known to be called by us orthodox, small o, Christians) being taught today. "This is my story and I'm sticking to it."
@@davidhall2197 All good brother and God bless you. And I’m not Catholic either. But the view is simplistic. And you’re doing the This and this therefore that I don’t believe you have the power to “therefore” I’m not making a positive claim. I’m commenting on pastor Jeff’s claims, on applying logic and putting scripture into a dialectic tension, as if the creator of logic is subordinate to it. You’re doing the same thing I would challenge you not to discount our choices. We are commanded certain things. Why? That’s my question to you: Why are we commanded to behave in certain ways?
@@deanodebo In obedience to the Father, as a witness to the risen Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit who indwells us. Amen! Not for our salvation. Again, All glory to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen! .
I'm Catholic and I think that this person does a very poor job of representing the Roman Catholic faith. I think the point that should be made is both faith and works (not works exclusively) - i.e. rejecting hypergrace theology. Not mutually exclusive - I think Pastor Durbin did a great job defending the Catholic side. However - there is purgatory in the Bible Matt 12:32, book of maccabees, letter of paul - as well as tradition from judaism to catholicism.
I'm sorry but there's no purgatory. There's heaven and hell. That's the danger in Catholicism. There so many things in that religion that are literally lies.
2 Maccabees 12:41-46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 16:19-16:26, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 and Hebrews 12:29. Scripture wouldn't be asking us to pray for the dead if Heaven and Hell were a determined dichotomy for those people. If they're already in Hell, what would prayers do?
@@motleyminded85 You've made excellent points. My problem with these videos is Durbin & Team choose low hanging fruit for these types of interviews. The guy CLEARLY said he was merely brought up Catholic but has his own take on scripture. Why don't they organize an interview with Matt Frad of "Pints with Aquinas" here on YT where they would actually have access to Catholic theologians who truly understand the tenets of the faith and early Church history (as Catholicism predates Protestantism)??? They could do the same with Orthodoxy too, as both condemn Protestant theology as heretical. If Apologia & Team were able to dismantle THOSE beliefs, wouldn't that be a greater victory for the conversion of thousands to his brand of Protestantism than would interviewing people one by one who don't have a good grasp on the basics of their faith?
Just as Christian by name isn't the same as Christian in practice, being Catholic by name doesn't always mean Catholic in practice. Also, yes, we are saved by Grace. Since we are saved by Grace, how can Protestants proclaim that Catholics, who have deep faith and reverence for Christ, are going to Hell?
Some Catholics do know their Bible, but the Bible is communicated in a very different way. If your a daily mass goer, you’ll get a vast majority of the Bible in three years. Bible study and daily devotional reading is greatly encouraged.
Why is that always a line given to Catholics? Plenty of people from Protestantism are secular too and wouldn't call themselves religious. Many Catholics aren't that familiar with the particular scripture, just like Protestants.
@@patrickoconnor9700 You gotta give credit where credit is due: Prots know their Bible. As rule, way better than most Catholics. The reason is the Bible is their sole rule of faith, so they’d better have it down pat. We Catholics have rely on other means with scripture. The Church authority, sacred tradition, and scripture go hand & hand for us. Depending on the Catholic, one could supersede the other. The guy in this video: church authority. He knows the faith because someone in authority told him. Sacred tradition makes sense. I was like him a few ago, but now all three work in concert.
Catholics don’t believe in working our way into heaven. This is a false representation of Catholic teaching. In fact, in the council of Trent, the very council called in response to the reformation, the idea that we can work our way into heaven is explicitly condemned as heresy. Why don’t you talk to a Catholic who knows their faith well and argue against what the Church actually teaches? You’re arguing with a Catholic who does not understand what the Church teaches about faith and works.
Pastor Durbin needs to man up and try debating someone who knows their faith, like someone from Catholic Answers. I’m sick of pastor durbin just finding random blokes on the street who have very limited to incorrect knowledge of the Catholic faith and using that as what all Catholics believe. This video in particular is extremely dishonest as the man doesn’t even identify as Catholic. Videos like these are wicked and deceitful and separate the Christian flock from Christ’s true Church. Pastor Durbin, if you read this, I dare you to debate Trent Horn.
The guy walked up to them at an abortion protest. Satan is the father of lies but he appears as an angel of light. Satan uses Catholicism to insert his lies into Gods truth.
Bible Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Catholics call priest Father Bible Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Catholics Every church with statues of Peter or Mary or some other Saint Bible Mathew 6:7 But when ye pray , use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Catholics vainly repeating Hail Mary and Our Father
@@Snookchaser007 You should continue to read scripture where Paul calls himself a spiritual father to the Church of Corinth(1 Corinthians 4:14-17.). Obviously Christ was speaking metaphorically as I’m sure you call your father a father and your teachers teacher. As for the graven images, keep reading exodus as the rest of the book is all about God giving the Israelites specific instructions on the ark of the covenant, vestments, and sacred images. We don’t worship any images but keep them as reminders of the spiritual family whom we love. Don’t quote verses out of context.
Douay-Rheims Eph 2:8-9 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory(boast). ISV Eph 2:8-9 For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God 9 and not the result of actions, to put a stop to all boasting.
This is an unfair battle.. if Jeff went up against guys like Scott Hahn or Trent Horn he would lose decisively. The Catholic Church may have been the church Christ set up with Peter (Matthew 16:18)
@@johnsambo9379 yes it very well maybe! I believe it’s either Catholic or orthodox that Jesus set up with His apostles. Certainly not any of the Protestant denominations
@@johnsambo9379 The church is made up of Jesus Christ followers who believe Jesus is Lord and savior, if it's anything else you have fallen for traditions of men.
You shall know them by their fruits!! If you love me keep my commandments, tradition of the Jesus and his apostles and the scriptures are so important!!!
Forever learning and never able to come to the truth… This lawyer is puffed up with knowledge but Love builds up. He needs to put his faith in the simplicity of the gospel and stop deflecting and trying to be wise in his own understanding,
Everything this guy said about the Catholic Church was mistaken, absolutely everything: (1) We teach that only works done in grace can be justifying. (2) St. Paul never confesses to be saved (1 Corinthians 9). (3) Jesus confesses that what we do will save or condemn us (Matthew 25). I found all these errors in the first three minutes! The errors continue, ad nauseam. That's why Protestants get all the Catholics who don't know their faith, and why the Catholics get the best and brightest that Protestantism ever produced: Cardinal John Henry Newman, G.K. Chesterton, Cardinal Avery Dulles, Fr. Richard John Neuhaus, Dr. Peter Kreeft, Dietrich Von Hildebrand, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Thomas Merton (Celebrated Trappist Monk), Bishop John Lipscomb, Bishop Jeffrey Steenson, Dr. Robert Sungenis, Ulf Ekman (Swedish Founder of Word of Faith Evangelical Society), Dr. Scott Hahn (Valedictorian Gordon Conwell Seminary), Francis Beckwith (President Evangelical Society), on and on the list goes.
Pastor started saying you can’t work out your salvation when in Philippians 2:12 says” work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” 1 Timothy 6:18-19 tell them to do good works, to be generous ready to share, thus accumulating as treasure a good foundation for the future, so as to win the life that is true life.
And if you continued reading in the context it was presented instead of trying to prove a fallacy, it says “12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.” It’s through Christ that we do the works, not by ourselves. Because then that destroys the entire concept of the crucifixion and message of the gospel. Same goes for Timothy, if you continue to read verse 19-20 in the context it is written in, it proves what the pastor was saying.
Here we go again! A protestant finding a random "Catholic" that does not know his faith, then claiming victory over catholicism. Lol.... Jeff durbin is a Calvinist, his church started on the 16th century and Jeff believes God is the cauz of our sin. What a craaaaaaazy and Dangerous teaching that is.
James wasn’t talking about justification in the sense of being declared righteous by God. He was talking about a living faith being vindicated before men. Works prove you have genuine faith and are not just merely claiming to have faith.
the only problem I see here (and I see this a lot in these kinds of videos) is that there are other Catholics who could 'argue' the Catholic position more strongly than the one being 'interviewed'.
This attorney isn't knowledgeable in the Catholic Faith. You shall not be saved by Works of the Law ( Old Testament) but you shall be saved by Faith and the works of Faith
@@joepena1395 Why do you assume that James and Paul is talking about the same type of faith? Can you prove that James is speaking about faith as it pertains to salvation?
@@joepena1395 Nobody can buy or work his way up to heaven, believe in the gospel and repent, then you are born again in Christ and good works will follow. Because, you are a changed person in heart and mind, you don't hurt yourself and people around you anymore through deliberate sin, instead you are doing the will of the father, love your neighbor, share the gospel, charity work.
Hi Jeff, thank you for your work as a preacher. I have a question regarding your partners assessment of faith being scripture reading and prayer without good works or mentioning of the Holy Eucharist, during this interview having claimed to be a catholic (be it a good one or fallen away catholic). God being in each of us elevates your abortion arguments in other videos however for this video the refuting response is that if you live by the law and interpretive understanding of the Catholic doctrine then you will be subject to the Law; live by the Spirit of the Law and you will not only be forgiven ( at confession then holy communion before doing penance) but can be walking with Jesus instead of walking beside him when having sinned and not gone to receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Thank you for your reading time, Bruce
Perfect presentation of the gospel super quickly before he had to leave, I pray more people will Come water that seed and God will grow it, in Jesus name ❤
Preaching the gospel using debate tactics, interrupting, speaking down to, and not listening. Sounds like a formula for success... in getting clicks on TH-cam.
Struggling to hear with the muffling of the microphones, I 'm desperate to hear what's being said. Can you guys take care of the mic's next time please 🙏
Study more. The Catholic Church is completely biblically based. The Catholic Church gave the world the bible. Read the early Church Fathers. You can't refute them.
And you need to go to a priest to get your sins forgiven?! That’s the downfall of the Catholic Church right there. The Catholic Church pushing that you have to go to a priest to talk to God is an absolute load of complete bollocks. We don’t need a middleman to talk to God and pray and ask for forgiveness. And I was brought up in a catholic household.
@@johnsambo9379 Doing good works in accordance with a saving faith doesn’t mean we are working are way into heaven or meriting salvation. Why do you think purgatory is heresy?
@@JJ-il8vf he probably was just being a little overly harsh. Or hopefully just a bit over enthusiastic. I think the proof text on purgatory struggles to hold up when tested and read in context. I think the Bible is very clear about judgement and how it’s going to happen
@@JJ-il8vf Clearly you have never read nor studied the Catechism of the Catholic Church, nor the documents from Vatican II. The "infallible" council of Trent declared anathema upon anybody who says that salvation is by grace through faith alone, and not by works
@@williamwebster9565 yes, that doesn’t sanction pelagianism though. It means we can’t just simply believe Christ is Lord to be saved. We must act on that faith - not through our own personal motivation, but through grace.
Pastor Durbin! I hope you or any of your associates see this! I live in San Diego. I am hungry and desperate to do apologetics. However, I don’t know of any group that does this. Please any help would be greatly appreciated!
@@MarcanthonyTho idol (definition) - an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship. we dont have any of that. it's the most grave of sins next to blasphemy. sorry, but im not hindu.
I love the people Of the Catholic Church , and the faith. At some life long friends💓 I believe in being saved by grace, a course Romans 10 -9 in 10.. That's like so many other faith And what they believe. We're all going to stand at the judgment seat of Christ💓🤴🤱🌟
I’m tired of this argument. Catholics do not believe, nor have we ever believed you can work your way to Heaven. Never! Protestants like these completely misunderstand what is meant by “works.” Everything is by God’s grace. Salvation is by God’s grace. However, it’s pretty hard not to do good works if you are truly a follower of Christ. Being good to your neighbor is a good work. Visiting prisoners, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked, are good works. And we must do these works, as we cannot claim to be a Christian and do nothing. That’s probably why the Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on the planet.
@@crobeastnessestablished and then twisted and perverted into a false religion by adding unbiblical beliefs to it. Repent and trust in the free gift apart from works. Jesus is Lord and no catholic works can save you.
@@brewhaha515 wait so you at least admit she was established by Jesus himself. So then you believe the gates of hell prevailed and therefore Jesus' promise was false. James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" Also, what teaching is umbilical?
@@crobeastness let’s get straight to the point. You are catholic right? Next question. How are we saved? Is it through faith alone or faith plus works? The James scripture you quoted is saying that because we are saved by grace through faith alone that we do end up doing good works, because we love God, and the good works we do are proof of our salvation, but they are NOT to be mistaken as the reason for our salvation! Therefore we do not HAVE to perform good works to EARN salvation. Salvation is a FREE gift and nothing we do can earn it. Catholic teachings say to be saved you must have faith AND do works right?where in the Bible does it teach that stuff? Also what’s up with indulgences and penance, can you explain that to me?
What we see here is a pastor that knows what he’s talking about and a largely confused part-time believer. I salute Pastor Durbin for having so much patience with this person.
I have a lot of respect for Pastor Jeff Durbin as an amazing street preacher. I do though disagree with him on his notion that works have nothing to do with our salvation. His associate cited Titus 3:5, which states "He (God) saved us not because of works done by us", which is true but only refers to the point at which we were first saved. Then from that point we must " work out our salvation with fear and trembling" (Phillipians 2-12-13). Why, because there will come the final judgement where the Lord Jesus will be sitting on his throne and the sheep will be separated from the goats according their works (Mathew 25:34-46).and those that did the "will of my father in heaven" (Mathew 7:21) will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and those that refused to do the fathers will will go into the " eternal lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Mathew 25:34-46). What could be more clearer than works play a pivotal part in our salvation?.I have great admiration for Pastor Jeff Durbin that he adopted a son as I was also adopted and because he is so patient and all the good work he does with his ministry. I just wish he would stop telling people that works have nothing to do with our salvation , when the Bible says it does.
Wonder how Jeff reconciles with St Paul's words in Philipians 2:12 where he encourages us to, "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling". How would Jeff want St Paul to re-write that to fit his fallible interpretations of scripture. You have to remember,...Catholics are the original Christians,..and the Canon of scripture wouldnt even exist if it not for the Catholic church. Remember,..for the first 1500 years of christianity,...all there were Catholics whos teaching has been consistent for 2000 years. Picking on badly catechized Catholics is easy. Jeff you should debate Trent Horn, or Tim Staples, Or Jimmy Ackins, or evenn Scott Hahn. That would be interesting.
Philippians 2 is talking about how you should treat people and not glorify your self, not even Jesus glorified himself but came to serve. So be in "Fear" caution, take care, be careful, pay attention, to what you are doing and how you treat other and how you appear to others. This is a reference of James 2, justifying your salvation to others but not to God, to prove to others your are saved, act in this way. Its not talking about justification before God as Paul describes only by faith and grace and not of works.
What is Works if not living out your faith - Loving God and loving your neighbour. What is Love - Cor1:13 It is by the Grace of God that we are saved and God gives us gifts to be used for His Glory - remember the parable of the talents? 2 returned a profit for the Master and 1 buried the talent out of fear (or laziness). They all new the Master but not all obeyed. What happened to the one who did not obey? So if we have faith but do nothing with it what happens to us?
To franklin youre absolutely right james is refering to faith and works we as catholics believe we are saved thru jesus even protestants believe we must repent of their sins just symantics the catholic faith is very jesus centered
we do good works because we're saved not because we want to be saved. Going out and preaching the gospel is considered as a good work. how is this so hard for protestants to understand.
For goodness sakes, Jeff. The Catholic Church doesn't teach that our works save us. It is only by the Grace of God that we are saved. The idea that Catholics "try to work our way to Heaven" is such an old, distorted argument. Try debating someone that actually knows what they're talking about. It's easy to pick some random, unprepared guy off the street.
@@Lerian_V my mom is very devout, went to Catholic school all my life and was force to go to mass every Sunday until i was like 21 and still left, became an atheist for a while until i reverted. This seems to be a very Catholic problem. Muslims for example dont leave the faith, same with evangelicals. But i gotta say, once u stopped being atheist and seeking out all the religious claims across the world, it honestly baffles me why there are any Hindus and protestants in the world. Those seem the 2 most obvious write-offs. Then i started finding out slowly there is a whole culture of anti-catholicism that is present in protestantism. It's scary and no wonder they believe in things like qanon. Their culture is one big conspiracy theory.
@@crobeastness My mom was devout as well; she was Charismatic. But it was my dad that influenced my church-going. My mom would not have inculcated in me the character, discipline and devotion as much as my dad did. She was mercy while my dad was the law. As an adult male, I couldn't find any reason to leave a faith smart and tough person like my dad found to be reasonable enough to practice. I think I understand the protestants' penchant for conspiracy theories. When you know a truth but wills to distort it to achieve a certain goal, you necessarily will have to manufacture another "truth" to fill in. It's like eating junk. Just like we can't starve our stomach, we can't starve our mind of truth. We must feed on something healthy or unhealthy.
@@motleyminded85that's a lie. They teach you loyalty to the church and pope and take away from Jesus's sacrifice by saying Mary is just as important and the priests summon Christ into the eucharist
@@CornerstoneMinistry316 Whaaaaat???? They do not teach you that Mary is "just as important." You wanna talk about lying, let's start there. People revere and honor Mary because, as Jesus' mother, she is the most holy human to ever walk this earth and she is capable of interceding for us. Have you never prayed for someone or asked someone to pray for you? Catholics ask Mary, because she is closest to her son. As far as the Pope goes, he is just a leader of the Church. In the Bible, Jesus appoints Peter as the first Pope of his Church. If you trace the history of Christianity, you will find the Catholic Church and the Popes trace back to Peter. Jesus said, "Upon this rock I build my Church." Protestants rejected that and built their own. That's why there are over 100 denominations of Protestant churches.
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j yeah and what you say is exactly the point of view of the catholic church. Works are the best proof of your faith so, no work=no faith=no salvation wich is contrary to what luther said "believe boldly and sin as boldly and you will be saved" wich is not something anyone who love God would even think of. The "sola fide" pernicious argument is just a misinterpretation of a simple message: anyone can GET to the faith, but many wont be saved (even john talks about some of the elect being lost)
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j yes but as i said, no faith=no works=no salvation. That is exactly what is precised in james 2:24. There is nothing the magisterium of the church teaches that contradicts scripture. And christ said himself that the church he left on earth when he left would stand untill the end time, the only church that stands since then is the catholic church, left to peter who was personally asked to lead the flock and to be the second stone that would continue christ's apostolic mission on earth. Also luther said and did many thing like saying that the best remedy to the flesh was.. sex. And i wont mention the time he said he fought the devil by shoving it into his rectum. Or that poor peasants should submit to bad ruler as a punishment from God, before rebeling against the church because of its bad management. Or that his friend and patron, Melanchton was a renowned kabbalist occultist, or that his oldest son became a famous alchemist.
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j the church does not teach salvation is the fruit of works it teaches striving to do things by love from God and avoiding sin is the only way to prove our faith. With all the oportunities God gives us (like the parable of the three sons and the fields) But sometime the oportunities are very small, that doesnt mean we wont be saved, to each according to his means (the good thief for example did not much but all he could) In fact one of the biggest saint of the 20th century, Thérèse of Lisieux had a particular mission to prove that even a humble and criplled young girl can get to sainthood through small and seemingly insignificant but hard and persistent works. Noone worship mary or the saints and in fact all the words from the "hail mary" are directly from the bible. We simply thank them and let ourselves be inspired by their great life while asking them to help and pray for us. I could tell you with reverence that you are a good person and ask you to pray for me, that would not mean i worship you.
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j confession and the perfect comunion of the saints in the spirit are from the bible, as told by christ himself. He said "confess your sin to one another" and "i give the apostles the authority that any sin they will forgive i will wash" so christ himself left the sacraments of confession and absolution to his church. Doing it in a box with a priest is the only way to have both. And is there a better way to ensure privacy?
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j the church in the bible did not just talk about people nor building (noone claims that) it talked about functions and seats being transmitted all the way back from the apostles
Oh man, I really want to listen to this, but please if you guys are able, can you fix the static issue? It sounds like, either electrical interference, or a bad cable. Please, please, fix it. It is painful listening at points because of the fuzz-out.
As a former devoted catholic, I used to attend the mass 5 times a week, pray the rosary daily, was a leader of a Catholic group/movement on my campus, and was visiting the seminary to become a priest! I once was questioned, If I am to die at this moment, where would I open my eyes afterwards. Although I was a devoted catholic, I didn't have an answer, the person questioning me, opened the Bible at first John chapter 5, and as he read I was amazed. The passage actually speaks about a true believer in Jesus, whom has earned assurance of gaining eternal life in heaven, through Christ. It also says that if that believer doesn't acknowledge this assurance - eternal life in heaven - he is explicitly implying that God is a liar! After this encounter, I decided to study my bible daily, although I was a Catholic who reads his bible(which is very rare here in my country). After a year of studying my Bible i saw how much the Catholic church is far from the Bible. If you are a Catholic reading this I would suggest you search the following topics: -The authority of scripture -Justification and salvation: this is one of the most important topics, how am I to be reconciled with God according to the Bible!? What must I do to be saved!? -The mass and transubstantiation (Emphasis on Hebrews 10,the "lost" book in Catholicism) -The role of saints in The Bible -The role of virgin Mary in The Bible -Purgatory and the Bible -The pope :Is he biblical, is he even in the first church!? -The first church and the history of the Catholic church, did it really start with Jesus or with Constantine centuries later paving the way and with Gregory the first being the first "pope" (590A.D) -The apocryphal books, why did they first show up in mid 15th century? -Baptism, Is it for the babies?? , does it have to do anything with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit!? -The sacred mysteries/sacraments and the Bible: why in a time of history they were 12 and 9 and 5 and now they stand at 7? Is the sacred mystery of confession biblical!? "The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth." Psalms 145:18 God bless you all! MUCH LOVE!
you make me laugh you fell for the lie of E-Z faith, one without someone telling you what to do, a self-authorized version of the NT Church. where the individual assumes the title of Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Teacher, Exorcist and Vicar of Christ along with being the infallible interpreter of the Holy Scriptures with a direct line to heaven guided by the Holy Spirit. He took the bait and now he's hooked on a "non denomination church" as he calls it. It has no name. He was told that he needs a relationship, not a religion, ""Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me." Let Jesus answer you In John, chapter 6, Jesus had not only called the 12 Apostles, there was also much larger group of other disciples. Things seemed to be going pretty well. That is until Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away? Simon Peter gives the same answer that I find myself saying to those who tell me I should leave the Catholic Church for this reason or that one, “Lord, to whom shall we go?” If I weren't Catholic, I'd look for the Church that the world despises, for the world despised Jesus, and he would be there. - Fulton Sheen
@@thetruthshallsetyoufree2040 your kidding yourself Vs 55, Jesus said, "For My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed." Vs 56, Jesus said, "He that eats My flesh and drinks My blood dwells in Me, and I in him." Did He say, 'He that eats a symbol of My flesh...'. How can a mere symbol fulfill this promise? Does only a symbol of Christ dwell in us? I thought GOD Himself dwelt within us, 1John 4:12-13. Vs 59, This verse shows that Jesus taught this discourse to all the people. Vs 60, They doubt a third time when many disciples said, "This is a hard saying, who can hear it"? The Jews were instilled by many Old Testament verses, admonishing them not to consume blood. See Deut 12:23, Lev 17:11and 14. They must have thought this was something akin to cannibalism. Is this what you think too? At any point did Jesus back down? Explain to me, if this chapter is symbolic, why did He not explain the symbolism to them? Vs 61, Jesus did not back down, for He said, "Does this offend you?" He knew their thoughts and He certainly knew the Old Testament verses about the consumption of blood. In the next verse, He separated spiritual things from earthly things. Vs 63*, Jesus said, "It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing. The words I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life." Did He say He was speaking figuratively or in parables? This is the second verse detractors use to try to "prove" that Jesus spoke figuratively for the whole chapter. Did Jesus say "My" flesh? No, He said "the" flesh. What Jesus had said was, that we cannot accept this mystery if we accept it in too human a way, by having an earthly view of things. Those who can only think of cannibalism, are they not having an earthly view? See John 3:6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Verse 63 means that we should not have a carnal human understanding of His words, but a spiritual understanding. In John, chapter 6, Jesus had not only called the 12 Apostles, there was also much larger group of other disciples. Things seemed to be going pretty well. That is until Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away? Simon Peter gives the same answer that I find myself saying to those who tell me I should leave the Catholic Church for this reason or that one, “Lord, to whom shall we go?” No matter what a certain priest does, no matter what scandals hit the church, despite whatever corruption or abuse of power might exist, and despite whatever mistakes the Church has made throughout history, “to whom shall we go?” for here is the body and blood of Christ given for a sinner as miserable as I.
Hi Jeff, I admire you spreading the word of God and Jesus's teachings. I was raised as a Catholic like many and many can lose their faith along the way. It's sad to see a Catholic or Baptist that has been taught the bible as a kid and along their adulthood starts making their own laws that is somehow suited for them and still claim as Christians. I wish that I can stand alongside you and as you spread God's work even when they hated you for it. Right now, I can only spread the word of God to my husband and two kids so that they don't go stray from God as they grow up. And pray that they will keep the word of God when I am no longer with them. Once I thought that the bible was written for the Jewish people at that time. Jesus parables are difficult to uncover. But we have to upheld his laws face value. I don't doubt God nor Jesus. But I have a question? Can you explain to me the passage where if you are married and you as to look at another, you should gouge your eyes? Are we to literally act on that? I have been married for 20yrs but this passage means that I have sinned. So I need to resist and repent and to sin no more. But Jeff, to me God created men and some men are made so beautiful that I can not resist to look and admiring them. So what can you tell me about this matter. Am I being unfaithful to my husband? But in my mind I am.
Why does Apologia insist on monetizing their videos? It is an extreme distraction to have the gospel interrupted by worldly ads that are even pornographic. Is this necessary? Can God not provide to support your ministry without trusting in worldly dollars??
@Charles then why does Justin Peters or John MacArthur NOT have ads on their videos? Can you verify what you say, because I don’t think that is the case. But thanks for the response. I’d like to hear from Apologia about this.
@Charles I did see an article which seemed to corroborate your statement, but why do we not, as Christians, start our own video platform that promotes godliness without the stain of this world (to the best we can as fallen creatures, saved by grace). Same with Facebook, Twitter, InstaSin, and all the rest. Get off these horrible platforms! There has to be an alternative!
As reformed Baptists, don’t you believe that baptism is not a saving work? And yet he quotes Titus, which plainly says He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.
Apologia studios is so dishonest. At 5:00 he openly states he's not Catholic and doesn't accept Catholic teaching, but was just raised Catholic, and they describe him as a Catholic. Smh.
This type of response seems very common. People who are so entrenched in works theology don't want to let that go and simply receive the free gift of salvation. It's so illogical and crazy.. you're offered the most amazing gift ever, yet would rather live in slavery because you're too proud to surrender. Let's pray for this man.
I was raised Catholic. The Catholic familial bond is so hard to break. You can show them hypocrisy within the church, and they won’t allow themselves to see it. Usually it’s out of love and respect for their parents. They think, “How could the people who raised me, the people I love so much be so incredibly wrong?” It’s really just willful ignorance based on that feeling alone.
I've been really focusing in one Mark 4:12. Interesting if we pair Mark 4:12 with John 3:16-18. Am i viewing this different then proper? Given God is outside of time, is that saying in 3:18 those who do not believe has been judged already. Specifically the verb tenses for the "Has not believed" or "Has been judged already" and the other piece of the equation Eph 1:4, that God predestined those who will be saved already which the cycle in this logical chain back to Mark 4:12 that those who won't believe are the ones God is actively hiding the Gospel from... What's the point, might assert that many many (possibly a couple more) who we might ever witness to God is actively hiding the Gospel from, lets the be saved, but shouldn't as they have been judged already. It just strikes me exactly as the Catholic attorney is read verses directly from the Bible and says well i don't believe that, might assert humbly that the key point of what the attorney was rejecting was salvation by grace/faith alone and demonstrate Mark 4:12 in action??? Love watching Jeff && Company, wish them the best!
This Catholic wasn’t able to articulate the Catholic faith very well. As a Catholic we do believe the Bible is inerrant. But we believe there was also a tradition that was passed down that supports the Bible (not in a contradictory or correctional way). At the beginning of every mass we recite the apostles creed I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.
Oh that 'Paul vs. James' thing is partly what my church USED TO base their "right division" theology on until we studied deeply enough to understand the congruency of the two.
Two things: 1. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus seems to advocate that "only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven." It's not just in chapter 7 either. Why is this rarely included in conversations on salvation? 2. Jeff often asks, "...so you disagree with Paul (or Peter)?" This is a snuck premise in that it assumes no interpretation is required of Paul or Peter's writings. Maybe I'm wrong. But I also might not be.
Good thoughts! Regarding the sermon on the mount, the opening pericope of Matthew 5:17-20 (after the blessed are statements) provides the context for the rest of the sermon. I won't copy-paste the Scripture cuz I'm a bit lazy lol, but go read it! Jesus says that he is the one who has come to fulfill the law and the prophets. To fulfill the law, he must keep every command perfectly. Earlier, Jesus already said that he has come to fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15). And, as he goes on through the sermon on the mount, providing the divine interpretation of the law, he actually raises the standard of what it means to keep and fulfill the law eg. if you even look with lust, you commit adultery. So to the point, at the end of the pericope, Jesus says that we must have a righteousness exceeding the scribes and Pharisees (who were known to be the strictest lawkeepers) in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Who can do that!? Who has never looked with lust or wished their brother dead in anger? The answer is already given to us. Remember, Jesus said that he has come to fulfill the law, not that you and I fulfill the law, because the whole point is that we can't! And so the post-cross reader of Matt 5:20 need not despair, but rejoice! Because Jesus is victorious, and by grace, through faith, apart from any work of law, our sin has been imputed to him, and most importantly, his perfect righteousness has been imputed to us, so that whosoever is believing in him can enter the kingdom of heaven! Regarding the second point, of course interpretation is being done, but I didn't hear Jeff citing any difficult or controversial verses. At a basic level, we believe that God inspired and gave Scripture in such a way that it is understandable and accessible even to the simple man; we're not gnostics! If you have 30 mins (or 15 if you watch on 2x speed like me) I'd recommend this video on what Protestants mean by the clarity of Scripture: th-cam.com/video/H6S8RFY5sQY/w-d-xo.html This channel is criminally too small, because there is some really quality, and charitable, Catholic-Protestant dialogue here. Further, it is good audio and video, so it is pleasant to watch. Peace in God's name! We can rejoice in Advent and the Lord's day today.
Oh, one other thought! Of course we know that those who do God's will, are righteous, doers of good deeds and charity, endure to the end, etc, will be saved. But this is because all who are justified by faith alone are sanctified by grace alone. God causes his people to observe his statutes (Ezek 36:26-27, Phil 2:12-13), so as the saying goes, while we are saved by faith alone, saving faith is never alone. Saving faith always produces obedience (some thirty, some sixty, some hundredfold), but the obedience is never the grounds of our justification, for if it was by works, it is not by grace (Rom 11:6).
@@benjamincolson I'll need to meditate more on your points and the passages you mentioned. Thanks for responding! I should say that I am unsure where I fall on the catholic-protestant spectrum (if you'll grant that there is one). In fact, most of my convictions have been weakened, as I have been encouraged by my pastors to understand "the royal gospel" -- a view that has been advocated by Mathew Bates, NT Wright, Tim Mackie, Scott McKnight, etc. I guess I am at a point where I can't confidently say that there is one way to see scripture. That's why I struggle to affirm the clarity of scripture. I don't want to struggle to affirm it, though. I'd love to actually have some convictions again.
@@ryanfisher8121 I know what it's like to be where you're at. For me, whenever I stumble across a new world of interpretation that I never knew of before (whether it be John Walton on Genesis 1, the strange world of full preterism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or anything) there is always this season of questioning everything foundational about what I have always believed. Over time, I've learned to be more comfortable with that state of needing to reevaluate my convictions from a new angle, without falling into despair that I have it all wrong in the meantime. My advice to you is to continue to remain prayerful, and remain fully captive to God's word, not letting anyone or anything distract you from Christ (I recommend that you read and pray over Eph 4:14-15, Col 2:1-4, 1 Pet 3:15, and 1 Cor 1-2). With the idea of the royal gospel, I think that there is certainly truth there, but we also musn't forget that in 1 Cor 15, Paul says that Jesus died "for our sins" and so we have to ask what it means that Jesus died "for our sins." So Reformed theology, penal substitution, and salvation by grace through faith to be saved from our sins works alongside of, rather than in opposition to, the message that Jesus is king of the world who has conquered death, and he is reigning and subduing his enemies, bringing his rule and peace to the nations. BTW, that is why I appreciate the postmillenialism of Apologia and other Reformed churches, because they respect that aspect of the gospel that goes beyond individual salvation. The benefit of being torn between two important positions (in your case, Catholicism and Protestantism) is that it is always sanctifying. I'll pray for you today; thanks for replying! Did you get a chance to watch that video? It is actually part of a whole series on Scripture.
@@benjamincolson I did watch that video!! I forgot that I could watch videos at 2x speed. That is helpful and also dangerous... I am willing to affirm that salvation is by faith alone. But faith has been defined to me as diehard allegiance to the King. According to my pastor, this saving faith would therefore include doing the will of the Father, as Jesus points out in Matthew 7:21. I am going to read the sermon on the mount again tonight and try to see it from your perspective.
So the first thing to do when a person quotes a Scripture challenging Catholic belief is to get them to look at the context of the verse they are quoting. This is especially important when dealing with the question of Salvation, because the New Testament speaks of Salvation in at least there ways: past tense (we are saved), present tense (we are being saved), and future tense (we will be saved). Protestants tend to stress salvation in the past tense, while catholics and orthodox tend to stress either the present tense or future tense. Titus 3:4-5 is dealing with past tense salvation, The salvation that has already been accomplished and which the individual had no active part in, is our liberation from sin. This is made clear by Titus 3:3 where Paul reminds Titus of our condition before regeneration: we were enslaved by passion, foolish, disobedient and misled. Initial salvation or justification (as Paul calls it in Romans) involves regeneration, which liberates us from our enslavement to sin and makes us free to know, love and serve God. It is effected by the "washing or rebirth and renewal in the Holy Spirit" and makes us heirs in hope of eternal life. Once born again by water and the Holy Spirit, and made alive in Christ, we enter into the process of sanctification and striving for that holiness without which no person can see God (Hebrews 12:14). The error of many evangelical Protestants is the assumption that, if a person has received the first stage of salvation - i.e. have been made alive in Christ through the gift of regeneration - the other two stages are guaranteed to follow. Nothing could be further from the truth. Once born again were are enabled and required but not compelled to co-operate with grace so as to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). This is where our works become a necessary part of salvation. It is important to note that at the Final Judgment, our entrance into God's kingdom (or rejection therefrom) is based on our works (Matthew 25, Matthew 7:21- 27), not our faith alone.
i was raised Catholic. I had to leave to find Jesus. He wasn't there. The Catholic Church keeps their congregants ignorant by not reading the Bible. not to mention my Mother was a die hard Catholic and was the meanest human being ever in my life. Did nothing to help evangelize her child.
So what was your family's excuse and yours for not reading Scripture The Church forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful . . . to learn the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ, by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ. Catechism Of the Catholic Church (CCC 133)www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/ Pope St. Gregory I (died 604 AD) “The Emperor of heaven, the Lord of men and of angels, has sent you His epistles for your life’s advantage-and yet you neglect to read them eagerly. Study them, I beg you, and meditate daily on the words of your Creator. Learn the heart of God in the words of God, that you may sigh more eagerly for things eternal, that your soul may be kindled with greater longings for heavenly joys.” Pope Clement XI (1700 - 1720) To forbid Christians to read Sacred Scripture, especially the Gospels, is to forbid the use of light to the sons of light, and to cause them to suffer a kind of excommunication. Pope Pius VI (April 1st 1778 AD) “the faithful should be excited to the reading of the Holy Scriptures: for these are the most abundant sources which ought to be left open to every one, to draw from them purity of morals and of doctrine” Pope Pius VII (1800 - 1823) "encourage their people to read the Holy Scriptures ; for nothing can be more useful, more consoling, and more animating, because they serve to confirm the faith, to support the hope, and to influence the charity of the true Christian." Pope Leo XIII (1893) “The solicitude of the apostolic office naturally urges and even compels us…to desire that this grand source of Catholic revelation (the Bible) should be made safely and abundantly accessible to the flock of Jesus Christ” Pope Pius X (1903 - 1914) “Nothing would please us more than to see our beloved children form the habit of reading the Gospels - not merely from time to time, but every day.” Pope Benedict XV (1914 - 1922) “Our one desire for all the Church’s children is that, being saturated with the Bible, they may arrive at the all-surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ” Pope Pius XII (1943) “... This author of salvation, Christ, will men more fully know, more ardently love and more faithfully imitate in proportion as they are more assiduously urged to know and meditate the Sacred Letters, especially the New Testament ...” Pope John Paul II (1979) “catechesis must be impregnated and penetrated by the thought, the spirit and the outlook of the Bible and the Gospels through assiduous contact with the texts themselves” Pope Benedict XVI (2006) “I urge you to become familiar with the Bible, and to have it at hand so that it can be your compass pointing out the road to follow. By reading it, you will learn to know Christ.” Pope Francis (2015) “The Bible is not meant to be placed on a shelf, but to be in your hands, to read often - every day, both on your own and together with others” Gee, good thing you don’t like condescending emails, right? Anyway, I am not rebuking God’s Word, I am rebuking man’s word and, in particular, I am rebuking your word. Your fallible, man-made, non-authoritative, biased and bigoted word. You speak of the “laughable infallible teachings of the [M]agisterium,” yet you tend to also speak as if you yourself are infallible. Do you believe your private interpretations of Scripture to indeed be infallible? And, if not, will you then admit that your private, fallible interpretations of Scripture, in regard to Purgatory and other such Catholic teachings, could be wrong? You won’t admit that, though, will you? You know why? Pride, Freddy boy...pride. You are too proud to admit that you could be wrong. That your interpretations are indeed fallible and, therefore, prone to error. I find it less than honest that Mr. pinhead mentions particular quotes from paragraphs of the Catechism without giving any context for those quotes, and does his best to twist the meanings of those quotes. He is one of these former Catholics who knows "everything" there is to know about the Catholic Church and its teachings and who feels a special call to save Catholics from the darkness of Romanism that he was, at long last, able to escape from.
It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. Worshipping the bible is idolatry, we are ONLY called to worship Jesus. It is important to note that the Catholic Church canonized the bible and the bible was literally created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity and how we are called to worship. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus the *same* way through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. There was no Pastor Jeff sharing his interpretation of scripture at his non-denomination church nor was there Martin Luther and his thousands of Protestantism denominations. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
So you never once attended Mass, then? Scripture is read at every Mass every day throughout the entire world. And the Church encourages Catholics to read their Bibles. Careful of the false witnessing there.
But paul said everyone should work for his own salvation with fear and trembling. So what works are you not justified and what work should be done for your slavation?
Jeff looks like a baseball coach here lol... Great witnessing. Apologia Studios, please fix your audio.. I've noticed periodic problems in the podcast and also this video. Just trying to help! God bless!
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"You have faith, I have deeds. Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds".
"Only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven".
"Whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven and whatsoever you loosen on earth is loosened in heaven"
"Recieve The Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."
☦️🇻🇦 Outside The One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus there is no Salvation. "With God all things are possible".
"Faith without works is DEAD."
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We call the question on the self apointed authority of this "pastor" Jeff D. He is no pastor and cannot prove his authority.
Works with faith is salvation if you have faith but don’t show it then what good is faith alone.If you see a homeless man that’s hungry and you can help him you won’t just be like God will help him I have faith in it but Maybe God put you there to help him so that is works in faith not just faith alone
@@brianmachuca5074 Salvation in the Bible is NEVER works with faith. The apostle Paul insists that salvation is given to us only by grace. It is impossible for us to obtain a perfect righteousness by our own faith or our own good works. It is Christ’s faith and His works that count. This is why God gives us salvation by grace-as a gift.
“For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8
Grace and works are exact opposites. Rewards come by the practice of works, but mercy comes by the application of grace. In the Bible, salvation is ALWAYS and exclusively by grace.
I'm going to simply say this for everyone. You don't do good works to be saved. You don't just assume you're saved in Faith naturally. If you love the Lord, as you change your heart and transform your life, you do good works because you are saved just like in the fifth commandment when you want to honor thy father and thy mother. And you're promised a long life and so forth. If you do well, God also promises people who do the good works because they're naturally saved. We'll also live life in a different way. So how repeat it? You don't do good works to be saved. You don't have Faith in a blind way. You naturally will do good works because you are saved not to be saved.
That's why we become new creatures in Christ. And have a new spirit, a new heart. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Religious people: “I think”. Christians: “Scripture says”.
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It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. The Catholic Church literally canonized the bible. The bible was created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
I fought God much of my life. One transgression at a time, I built the bars to my own cage. Trapped, I called out for Christ, and he answered.
I’m so happy to hear that, I love you even if I don’t know you. I wish you to walk with Christ all your life
Amen
That’s right give up fight and adore Christ at adoration.
If you have Faith in Christ, you will naturally do good works...they go hand in hand. Nice video as always...glory to God!
Solomon turned his HEART away from the Lord and built altars to other gods. Other OT characters like Saul murdered people and turned from God. Anyone seeking EVIDENCE of Solomon’s faith at that time would not have seen any evidence and would have labelled him unsaved. Solomon is the wisest man that ever lived and he is definitely in heaven, as is Saul.
Was Solomon saved when his HEART turned to other gods and when he built high places to them? Of course he was!
To argue that a saved believer cannot commit heinous sin is not supported by scripture. One has to misinterpret the text to form that false belief.
1 Kings 11:4-10
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives TURNED AWAY his HEART after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.
7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.
9 And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the Lord God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the Lord commanded.
Christ is Risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and to those in the tombs bestowing life! True Gospel!
Thats right, faith without works is dead, but works alone do not save us
That's how it works. We can't work or pay our way up to heaven, but good works will follow if a person in spiritually born again in Christ
Good works be the fruit, not the root
I was that man 5 years ago I found Jesus and was reborn and I am runing from that old man to him every day God bless you and come to nm my home is yours
Me too, Glory to God
@@dustinpardo29 Me three. Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. In Jesus Mighty name, Amen.
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Hello my friend, how is that you was reborn?
I’m so glad to have another “on the street” video with Jeff. I know it’s a little harder than in the early days, but the more of these on the channel the better, IMO.
I agree, I think the 2016 street videos were the best, I hope they get back to it.
Been married to a lawyer for a loonnnnngggg time. Arguing with one is like trying to nail Jello to the wall. Those folks have to figure it out themselves. Because they are always right, and even if they’re not, they’re very sure they are. If it’s His will, God will chase this man down and smack him in the face with the truth, and there’s no arguing with that.
My brother is a lawyer.
“Catholic lawyer”: “That’s a matter of opinion”
Jeff: “No, That’s what JESUS said!” 😂😂
@Johnny Irenchi Most Catholics don't even know their Cataclysm.
@Templar Opps, to much World of Warcraft for me lol
@@handeyecoordinationskills so who has the authority according to gods word mary or paul?
@@dwaynejohnson4662 why do you bring Mary into this? She wrote!
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While the biblical Mary is with God and said to listen and to do what Jesus said to do, the the false Mary of catholicism: the "queen of heaven, mother of God", is a false prophetess, that is only found in paganism.
And rightly so; since Romanism is nothing more that paganism with an extremely light garb of Christian verbiage to sell it to the highly deceived laity.
Jeff knows other people’s world views better than they do. This is inspiring 💯
@Patrick Parkrr Apologia literally has a whole like 15 or so minute video of nothing but clips of Jeff sharing the Gospel. So in not sure what you're getting at but brother Jeff knows the Gospel very well and shares it regularly.
James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
@@og1jinnobe117 It really helps when you understand that James isn't talking about justification given the surrounding context. Rather, he is talking about the results of one already justified.
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[b] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
icypirate11 It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. Worshipping the bible is idolatry, we are ONLY called to worship Jesus. It is important to note that the Catholic Church canonized the bible and the bible was literally created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity and how we are called to worship. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus the *same* way through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. There was no Pastor Jeff sharing his interpretation of scripture at his non-denomination church nor was there Martin Luther and his thousands of Protestantism denominations. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
Ya see, the problem is, everyone thinks we Catholics believe that we can “work our way to salvation”… but that implies exclusivity regarding “works”. Jesus tells us himself that “you will know them by their fruits”. This is what we catholics mean. How can you call yourself a Christian if you do not produce the fruit of the vine?
This is false. The Catholic church teaches there are things you HAVE to do for salvation called the 7 sacraments
@@CornerstoneMinistry316 The Sacraments we’re instituted by Jesus himself… they’re efficacious signs of grace and needed for salvation. Obviously not all are but baptism and the Eucharist are certainly needed. If you’re a Christian and not Catholic that doesn’t mean you’re going to hell, but Jesus said you have no life in you if you don’t eat his body and drink his blood.
@@cooldude71120All respect and love from me, brother. Jesus wasn’t born over the law but under it. Part of the Old Testament law was keeping from consumption of blood, if you did this then you were ostracized from the community and condemned, even the apostles knew this. In order for Jesus to die for our salvation, pay the price for our sin, He would have had to be completely sinless. If He had consumed the blood of himself, He certainly would have broken the law and dirtied Himself with sin which makes His sacrifice empty.
Jesus was known for speaking in parables, metaphors, ways for us to understand because we had such a hard time grasping the prior revelations of God. We were evil. When He says to drink His blood and eat His flesh (bread and wine), He was speaking symbolically… “in remembrance of me”-as said by Jesus and cited later by Paul.
Jesus was not feeding apostles his physical nor spiritual blood, it was a metaphor for them to grasp the idea of the breaking of his body and spilling of his blood in order to cleanse them of their sin.
Do it in remembrance of Him, but it is not physically blood and flesh.
I love you, open to talk about it !
Doing something in remembrance is what makes it not so literal. If we do something in remembrance of someone, we are not reliving the events literally but figuratively to honor them.
The fruit doesnt come by the work alone; faith is a seed, the seed produces a tree, and then the tree gives the fruit.
Two things you did only: planting the seed, and watering it.
The planting would be accepting Jesus; watering would be hearing the word.
The fruit is the product of the seed; the fruit Christ produces goes more than just doing the work, this has to do with born again; being born again comes by the Spirit, not the work.
@@relativemx1369 correct, hence why Catholics do not teach “Faith alone” or “works alone” but rather both together.
This works the same way if a dedicated professional catholic approaches an unprepared baptist or any other protestant, as half of them don't know their Bible either. And I say so as a baptist church member.
@Jake C I second that. Would love to watch that kind of debate.
Jake C Exactly !
As a Catholic (who personally loves a lot of what Apologia does) this "Catholic" guy is well-intentioned but doesn't accurately represent Catholic beliefs.
The Catholic Church teaches:
- The books of the Bible are inspired by God, including the Epistles of Paul, Peter, James, etc. They're not just human opinions, but the inerrant word of God.
- James and Paul do not each have a different soteriology. There is only one gospel message by which people are saved, and the whole of Scripture agrees.
- No one can earn their salvation. The idea that we can earn our salvation is a heresy (Pelagianism) condemned by the Catholic Church. We are saved by grace.
Thanks for this man. Do you believe you are saved by grace alone though? Meaning, nothing we do earns us salvation and that it is only by the grace of God poured out on us that we believe and are saved?
Well, to be honest, I'm a little concerned when I see a word like "alone" being inserted into phrases, because it seems to dissected. I mean, if we're saved by grace alone, what about Jesus? He's not grace, but obviously we need him for salvation. Faith is also necessary, but that's different from grace as well, so because of that, strictly speaking we're not saved by grace alone. See what I mean? Not trying to be nitpicky, just explaining why I don't see it as cut and dry as "grace alone" even though I totally believe what the Catholic Church teaches: that we can't earn our salvation by our own good works, but it's an unmerited gift from God. In fact, the only way we can do good works is through God's grace given to us first.
@@isaaclongworthcc I hear that man. When I and other Christians say "alone", we mean that we are saved solely by the grace of God through faith and NOT by any of our own works or merit. Meaning, even if we are a "good person" we cannot enter into heaven because we are all sinners. Therefore, the only way we can get to heaven is by God granting repentance to us, therefore we say we are saved by His grace alone. Does that make sense?
Yeah, that makes more sense thanks for clarifying! In that case, as you describe it, I would say that we're saved by grace alone but not by faith alone. Grace alone seems much more supported by scripture, whereas faith alone is explicitly denied by Scripture. I definitely agree with you that none of us are "good" enough to get into Heaven of our own accord, we need God's grace. My sinful deeds have earned Hell, but Jesus' work on the cross bought my salvation.
@@isaaclongworthcc Thanks for that explanation man. Why do you say faith along is explicitly denied by Scripture?
R. Catholic: "...at least in my mind."
Bible: "Your mind is deceitful."
So then how can you or Jeff properly interpret scripture? How do you know your not being deceived? How can you trust that your interpretation is the correct one?
@@colegest9742 The Word of God (Scripture) interprets itself. Scripture interprets scripture. We must remember that Scripture is not just some book. According to Heb 4:12, it is alive and active. It doesn't need a living being to bring out its meaning. This also leads to the teaching that not only does Scripture interprets itself, but it also interprets us. It is the written/verbal life of the Word of God. Sola Scriptura!
So to answer your question, in order to know if we're understanding scripture correctly, we must first understand that the Word of God does not contradict itself. If it seems contradicting to a person, then they must not be understanding it correctly.
A possible follow up question is how may a person find the answer to their question if they haven't fully studies the Bible? Well, that is why Scripture tells us that Church fellowship/leadership is important. That you may seek help from your fellow brothers and sisters. :)
Sola Scriptura!
@@colegest9742 If you google "Chris Harrison Bible cross-references", he showed an image that shows how a passage is explained or interpreted in another passage or part of the bible. Goes to show that the answer or explanation to what you're looking for is probably explained in another passage. Pretty awesome photo!
@@servano08 How do you interpret John 6:53-56
@@colegest9742 it's very important to read the verses before and after, right before you have John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” This explains the meaning of John 6:53-56.
This guy wouldn't listen to one complete thought without interrupting
He's a lawyer.
I find the most educated in the beast system in which we live are the most deceived and hardest to undeceive, because of their *PRIDE* in their intellect.
@@evenruderanger7617 You have eyes to see and ears to hear. Glory be to GOD! I'm glad to see another true believer. God's in charge. He does all that is good. anything i do thats good comes from him. Bless you Ranger.
@@fuzzycounsellor9147 Good observation. Thats what I notice too, you hit the nail on the head.
Hopefully he sees this and realizes that anout himself.
Exactly, and he ended up trying to control the convo b/c he had no solid footing. Even his 'legal' retort was demolished with Jeff's rebuttal. Just sad how some people do not want to abide sound reasoning, especially someone as learned and intelligent as this man.
Man every time I watch Apologia church and witness their knowledge and love of scripture, I am ashamed that as a believe in Jesus, I do not have the same knowledge they do. Lord help me thirst for your word more each day!
It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. Worshipping the bible is idolatry, we are ONLY called to worship Jesus. It is important to note that the Catholic Church canonized the bible and the bible was literally created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity and how we are called to worship. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus the *same* way through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. There was no Pastor Jeff sharing his interpretation of scripture at his non-denomination church nor was there Martin Luther and his thousands of Protestantism denominations. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
@@SuperrBoyful Amen! I always wonder how such learned people can study the bible with such passion and come away with "God is the author of evil". It seems like that would make Him the biggest sinner of all.
@@homerfrancis9018 & Banner I always felt we are to worship God through Christ. Just as we, after we believe the Spirit of Truth do works that are not in vain. Faith without works is dead. The Word also says "if you love me you will keep my commandments" Andrew I love the word and study every day some passage or another, cross reference, defining words and all, maybe I'm always learning something new, maybe I am never coming to the truth, cause I still see that we are to follow the commands as well and do what ever the Spirit leaded us to while testing the Spirit with scripture. Not being a Catholic I still see this guys point on the book of James.I too get nervous when talking the bible face to face with others, I usually think of everyone as knowing the gospel and who on Gods green earth would want to deny it. Any way what say you to help me see this any different that what a Catholic would. I don't celebrate Christ Mass or Easter, and always ask the Spirit to lead me to anyone in need when I go in public. Am I wrong or missing something? If our Faith isn't growing aren't we falling away?
@@SuperrBoyful If scripture is the word of God and we are to worship God and God only, then your statement is self condemning according to what you first said.
@@jadato-the-o3565 You’re right, scripture is the word of God & we are only to worship Jesus Christ. That’s what Catholics have been preaching for over 2,000 years. Protestants however believe Martin Luther’s relatively new doctrine of “Bible Alone” and think it’s the only thing Jesus Christ left us & is to be interpreted independently.
This idea is not scriptural or anything remotely close to what early Christians believed. I suggest you study Early Christianity starting with the post-apostolic Christians and finishing with the Early Church Fathers & you’ll see the dilemma in protestantism.
The doctrine of “Bible alone” is a man-made doctrine created by Martin Luther, who interestingly enough was also Catholic & only wanted to fix a few things about the Church. The intent was never to create over 25,000 different denominations which began around 1500 AD. We see in the Bible, we were never meant to interpret scripture independently.
2 Peter 1:20
“Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things."
When you study early Christianity & the Bible in it’s proper context, you’ll notice there was clearly a tradition that encompassed before scripture, & scripture arose from that tradition, also known as the “mass.”
2 Thessalonians 2:15
“So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.”
"Paul went to...."
Jeff: "Everywhere "
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He keeps getting away from the meat of the conservation.
@yeah no
The bottom line is that everything he was saying was an attempt to not listen to what was being told to him.
Can't have meat til he's off the milk
@@josiahpulemau6214
Can’t take the milk until he humbles himself and comes as a babe.
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1 Peter 1:22-25; 2:1-3 KJV
@@scooterp7009
You can even go as far as that, I agree sir. Back to the root of it. A man of works without the faith is as good as a man who is all about the world. Good point and backed by scripture. Glory to God
yeah no He was referring to the letter of James where it says faith without words is dead.
A gospel engaging question these days. I see you have your face covered but more importantly have your sins been covered?
Great comment
When I looked to works to get out of my sin I failed time and time again, when I looked to Christ He pulled me out of that pit, where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.
I pray for patience like Jeff has in dealing with opposition like this.🙏
Absolutely!
The really sad thing is that the Catholic guy doesn't think he is the opposition. He thinks they differ on a nonessential. When in fact our salvation rests only in Christ's atonement on the cross. The Catholic was insistent that we had a part the atonement by our merits, which revealed a huge chasm between Pastor Durbin, and the Catholic gentleman.
@@andya2665 except you're wrong
@@andya2665 Hello my friend, faith without work (merits) it's nothing
@andya2665 it is true that we do offer God some atonement on our part. This is quite biblical if you look up the word atonement in the Bible. Although our sins are forgiven, their are temporal consequences for sin.
For example, we slap out sibling in the face, we ask God for forgiveness and God forgives us, we still owe some restitution to the person we wounded. That really is an important part of reconciliation to God to try to atone for our sins. Jesus is not doing everything for you, you must participate in your own justification. That is why Saint Paul writes to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Pride is a dangerous emotion...
I love watching, listening and learning from Pastor Jeff. He’s an inspiration in a fallen world, sharing the knowledge of God with everyone in such a loving and patient way. Thank you Pastor Jeff, you have touched me and through me others !
Me to. Not all of us can be that articulate.
Anyone else getting some terrible static?
Yes
Wow man. These guys are awesome at what they do. ALL GLORY TO GOD. But Jeff is the most patient most informed best debater of truth that I ever saw. The johny Cochran of religious debates.
So how do you explain James?
Is it true that Luther didn’t want James in the canon?
Is it true that Luther added the German word for “only” into the scripture?
What part of James? As an ex-Catholic, I think I know what to you're referring to, but I want you to copy and paste your text here so I can know for sure. There is an answer to your dilemma.
@@davidhall2197
The entirety of James refers its seems to behavior. It is a quite striking epistle that tells us how to act in faith.
It seems as though there is a temptation to make the scripture subject to dialectic tension between seeming metaphysical contradictions. Pastor Jeff challenged this man asking him if James contradicts Peter. The Bible does not contradict itself. So to ask that question is to really throw out the baby with the batch water.
I asked 3 questions in my OP. Do you have answers for them?
@@deanodebo To your other two questons:
2. There is still controversy today whether he wanted to exclude it or not, but there is no controversy about his hostility toward it.
3.Yes, he did. But it was not in James. It was in Romans 3. And I sure as heck don't condone it, either. There was no need to add it. Scripture speaks for itself.
In my opinion and many a Bible scholar, you're not seeing what James was saying. When biblical hermeneutics is applied, it IS faith alone that redeems us. Paul makes this clear in his letter to the Ephesians Chapter 2. If it is faith and works, then it is earned and not a gift freely given by God. Our works are a result of our faith. Even Jesus said, when asked by His disciples, how would we know our brothers and sisters in Him from those that are not, "YOU will know THEM by their fruits." That's the gist of James' letter.
James 2
Faith and Works
14 What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17 In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show ME your faith without the works, and I will show YOU my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was our father Abraham not justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 YOU SEE that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God. 24 YOU SEE that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was Rahab the prostitute not justified by works also when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
God already sees the hearts of men, an ability man cannot see. Therefor, the works are an external witness of our faith before man, not God. Like a wedding ring is an external sign for all to see one is married. Sheep don't go baah-baah to become or remain sheep, they bleat because they ARE sheep. Likewise, as Christians, if we are truly Christians, our works are a result of our faith because we ARE His children, not to become or remain. Now, you may say, "Yes, but we can walk away from those works and reject His salvation. No, you can't. Again, if one is really a "slave" to Christ. The Holy Spirit will hound that person to submission. "Greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world." I know, I've been there. He was brutal on me. Lesson learned, but still being sanctified daily.
I'm an ex-Catholic, I know what they teach. After reading scripture and seeking sources outside the RCC, including the ancient languages, I see where Luther and the Reformers were right. That was 40 years ago. Now, I don't belong to any of the Reformation era churches, they have real problems in their communion of their own). I consider myself a simple Evangelical Christian. Holding fast, yes, to the Apostles and Nicene Creeds of old. None of this "progressive" Christianity (known to be called by us orthodox, small o, Christians) being taught today.
"This is my story and I'm sticking to it."
@@davidhall2197
All good brother and God bless you. And I’m not Catholic either.
But the view is simplistic. And you’re doing the
This and this therefore that
I don’t believe you have the power to “therefore”
I’m not making a positive claim. I’m commenting on pastor Jeff’s claims, on applying logic and putting scripture into a dialectic tension, as if the creator of logic is subordinate to it.
You’re doing the same thing
I would challenge you not to discount our choices. We are commanded certain things. Why?
That’s my question to you:
Why are we commanded to behave in certain ways?
@@deanodebo In obedience to the Father, as a witness to the risen Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit who indwells us. Amen! Not for our salvation.
Again, All glory to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen!
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I'm Catholic and I think that this person does a very poor job of representing the Roman Catholic faith. I think the point that should be made is both faith and works (not works exclusively) - i.e. rejecting hypergrace theology. Not mutually exclusive - I think Pastor Durbin did a great job defending the Catholic side. However - there is purgatory in the Bible Matt 12:32, book of maccabees, letter of paul - as well as tradition from judaism to catholicism.
I'm sorry but there's no purgatory. There's heaven and hell. That's the danger in Catholicism. There so many things in that religion that are literally lies.
That verse doesn’t teach there is a purgatory
2 Maccabees 12:41-46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 16:19-16:26, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 and Hebrews 12:29. Scripture wouldn't be asking us to pray for the dead if Heaven and Hell were a determined dichotomy for those people. If they're already in Hell, what would prayers do?
@@motleyminded85 Those verses/chapters/letters do not support purgatory....except Maccabees which is why the RCC includes that book.
@@motleyminded85 You've made excellent points. My problem with these videos is Durbin & Team choose low hanging fruit for these types of interviews. The guy CLEARLY said he was merely brought up Catholic but has his own take on scripture. Why don't they organize an interview with Matt Frad of "Pints with Aquinas" here on YT where they would actually have access to Catholic theologians who truly understand the tenets of the faith and early Church history (as Catholicism predates Protestantism)??? They could do the same with Orthodoxy too, as both condemn Protestant theology as heretical. If Apologia & Team were able to dismantle THOSE beliefs, wouldn't that be a greater victory for the conversion of thousands to his brand of Protestantism than would interviewing people one by one who don't have a good grasp on the basics of their faith?
Just as Christian by name isn't the same as Christian in practice, being Catholic by name doesn't always mean Catholic in practice. Also, yes, we are saved by Grace. Since we are saved by Grace, how can Protestants proclaim that Catholics, who have deep faith and reverence for Christ, are going to Hell?
"The Titus reference threw me...". Most Roman Catholics don't know the bible.
It's very sad. I come from a Catholic family and they dont know much even though they are very involved with the Church.
Some Catholics do know their Bible, but the Bible is communicated in a very different way. If your a daily mass goer, you’ll get a vast majority of the Bible in three years. Bible study and daily devotional reading is greatly encouraged.
Yet they will argue their opinions and what seems right to them with those that do know their Bibles.
Why is that always a line given to Catholics? Plenty of people from Protestantism are secular too and wouldn't call themselves religious. Many Catholics aren't that familiar with the particular scripture, just like Protestants.
@@patrickoconnor9700 You gotta give credit where credit is due: Prots know their Bible. As rule, way better than most Catholics. The reason is the Bible is their sole rule of faith, so they’d better have it down pat. We Catholics have rely on other means with scripture. The Church authority, sacred tradition, and scripture go hand & hand for us. Depending on the Catholic, one could supersede the other. The guy in this video: church authority. He knows the faith because someone in authority told him. Sacred tradition makes sense. I was like him a few ago, but now all three work in concert.
Catholics don’t believe in working our way into heaven. This is a false representation of Catholic teaching. In fact, in the council of Trent, the very council called in response to the reformation, the idea that we can work our way into heaven is explicitly condemned as heresy. Why don’t you talk to a Catholic who knows their faith well and argue against what the Church actually teaches? You’re arguing with a Catholic who does not understand what the Church teaches about faith and works.
Pastor Durbin needs to man up and try debating someone who knows their faith, like someone from Catholic Answers. I’m sick of pastor durbin just finding random blokes on the street who have very limited to incorrect knowledge of the Catholic faith and using that as what all Catholics believe. This video in particular is extremely dishonest as the man doesn’t even identify as Catholic. Videos like these are wicked and deceitful and separate the Christian flock from Christ’s true Church. Pastor Durbin, if you read this, I dare you to debate Trent Horn.
@Pepe delores One can hope.
The guy walked up to them at an abortion protest. Satan is the father of lies but he appears as an angel of light. Satan uses Catholicism to insert his lies into Gods truth.
Bible Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Catholics call priest Father
Bible Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Catholics Every church with statues of Peter or Mary or some other Saint
Bible Mathew 6:7 But when ye pray , use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Catholics vainly repeating Hail Mary and Our Father
@@Outdoorsguy1212 The Catholic Church is the number one opposition to abortion in the world. Apparently you arnt involved with the pro life movement
@@Snookchaser007 You should continue to read scripture where Paul calls himself a spiritual father to the Church of Corinth(1 Corinthians 4:14-17.). Obviously Christ was speaking metaphorically as I’m sure you call your father a father and your teachers teacher.
As for the graven images, keep reading exodus as the rest of the book is all about God giving the Israelites specific instructions on the ark of the covenant, vestments, and sacred images. We don’t worship any images but keep them as reminders of the spiritual family whom we love.
Don’t quote verses out of context.
People tend to fight it, instead of that child like mindset to accept it ! Praise Jesus! for your work.
Funny how you'll only debate an uninformed Catholic on the street. Never seen you talk to someone who knows the right answers to your heresies.
It's not that. Catholicism is heresy so they never have answers.
Douay-Rheims Eph 2:8-9 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God;
9 Not of works, that no man may glory(boast).
ISV Eph 2:8-9 For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God 9 and not the result of actions, to put a stop to all boasting.
This is an unfair battle.. if Jeff went up against guys like Scott Hahn or Trent Horn he would lose decisively. The Catholic Church may have been the church Christ set up with Peter (Matthew 16:18)
Not true and your Pope is Satanic.
The Orthodox church is the original and unchanged church.
@@johnsambo9379 yes it very well maybe! I believe it’s either Catholic or orthodox that Jesus set up with His apostles. Certainly not any of the Protestant denominations
@@johnsambo9379 The church is made up of Jesus Christ followers who believe Jesus is Lord and savior, if it's anything else you have fallen for traditions of men.
You shall know them by their fruits!! If you love me keep my commandments, tradition of the Jesus and his apostles and the scriptures are so important!!!
Such patience with this man! He seemed nervous and they let him fumble through and still preached the gospel! God bless you all.
Forever learning and never able to come to the truth…
This lawyer is puffed up with knowledge but Love builds up. He needs to put his faith in the simplicity of the gospel and stop deflecting and trying to be wise in his own understanding,
Awesome comment
Everything this guy said about the Catholic Church was mistaken, absolutely everything:
(1) We teach that only works done in grace can be justifying.
(2) St. Paul never confesses to be saved (1 Corinthians 9).
(3) Jesus confesses that what we do will save or condemn us (Matthew 25).
I found all these errors in the first three minutes! The errors continue, ad nauseam. That's why Protestants get all the Catholics who don't know their faith, and why the Catholics get the best and brightest that Protestantism ever produced: Cardinal John Henry Newman, G.K. Chesterton, Cardinal Avery Dulles, Fr. Richard John Neuhaus, Dr. Peter Kreeft, Dietrich Von Hildebrand, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Thomas Merton (Celebrated Trappist Monk), Bishop John Lipscomb, Bishop Jeffrey Steenson, Dr. Robert Sungenis, Ulf Ekman (Swedish Founder of Word of Faith Evangelical Society), Dr. Scott Hahn (Valedictorian Gordon Conwell Seminary), Francis Beckwith (President Evangelical Society), on and on the list goes.
Pastor started saying you can’t work out your salvation when in Philippians 2:12 says” work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” 1 Timothy 6:18-19 tell them to do good works, to be generous ready to share, thus accumulating as treasure a good foundation for the future, so as to win the life that is true life.
Exactly
And if you continued reading in the context it was presented instead of trying to prove a fallacy, it says “12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.” It’s through Christ that we do the works, not by ourselves. Because then that destroys the entire concept of the crucifixion and message of the gospel. Same goes for Timothy, if you continue to read verse 19-20 in the context it is written in, it proves what the pastor was saying.
Here we go again! A protestant finding a random "Catholic" that does not know his faith, then claiming victory over catholicism. Lol....
Jeff durbin is a Calvinist, his church started on the 16th century and Jeff believes God is the cauz of our sin. What a craaaaaaazy and Dangerous teaching that is.
He is sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as we are commanded. Hopefully this man will read and study the Bible more. I’m not a Calvinist.
Really? 'A man is justified by works and not by faith alone' - James 2:24
Are you apart of the twelve tribes in dispersion?
James wasn’t talking about justification in the sense of being declared righteous by God. He was talking about a living faith being vindicated before men. Works prove you have genuine faith and are not just merely claiming to have faith.
@@masont2429 Amen.
This feller doesn't get that "protecting yourself legally" isn't as ven on the list of priorities...
the only problem I see here (and I see this a lot in these kinds of videos) is that there are other Catholics who could 'argue' the Catholic position more strongly than the one being 'interviewed'.
Preach
I miss your street witnessing videos. Hope new ones are coming!
May the Lord Jesus open this mans ears to hear the truth... THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST louder than his own opinions..
This attorney isn't knowledgeable in the Catholic Faith.
You shall not be saved by Works of the Law ( Old Testament) but you shall be saved by Faith and the works of Faith
By Grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.
@@enrikefranco8725
So what does James 2:24 say ?
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
@@joepena1395 Why do you assume that James and Paul is talking about the same type of faith? Can you prove that James is speaking about faith as it pertains to salvation?
@@Rhantismos23 why do you assume every mention of 'works' in the new testament is the same type of works?
@@joepena1395 Nobody can buy or work his way up to heaven, believe in the gospel and repent, then you are born again in Christ and good works will follow. Because, you are a changed person in heart and mind, you don't hurt yourself and people around you anymore through deliberate sin, instead you are doing the will of the father, love your neighbor, share the gospel, charity work.
Hi Jeff, thank you for your work as a preacher. I have a question regarding your partners assessment of faith being scripture reading and prayer without good works or mentioning of the Holy Eucharist, during this interview having claimed to be a catholic (be it a good one or fallen away catholic). God being in each of us elevates your abortion arguments in other videos however for this video the refuting response is that if you live by the law and interpretive understanding of the Catholic doctrine then you will be subject to the Law; live by the Spirit of the Law and you will not only be forgiven ( at confession then holy communion before doing penance) but can be walking with Jesus instead of walking beside him when having sinned and not gone to receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Thank you for your reading time, Bruce
They need to debate Patrick Madrid ,Tim staples and Trent horn. Then let see how they fare
Perfect presentation of the gospel super quickly before he had to leave, I pray more people will
Come water that seed and God will grow it, in Jesus name ❤
Preaching the gospel using debate tactics, interrupting, speaking down to, and not listening. Sounds like a formula for success... in getting clicks on TH-cam.
Struggling to hear with the muffling of the microphones, I 'm desperate to hear what's being said. Can you guys take care of the mic's next time please 🙏
Study more. The Catholic Church is completely biblically based. The Catholic Church gave the world the bible. Read the early Church Fathers. You can't refute them.
The early church didn't recognize the supremacy of Rome. Rome isn't biblically based, it's basis is sola ecclesia.
And you need to go to a priest to get your sins forgiven?! That’s the downfall of the Catholic Church right there. The Catholic Church pushing that you have to go to a priest to talk to God is an absolute load of complete bollocks. We don’t need a middleman to talk to God and pray and ask for forgiveness. And I was brought up in a catholic household.
Yeah he needs to find a real Roman Catholic to debate. This is the equivalent to straw manning a position.
From the get-go I can tell the Catholic is poorly catechzied. We don’t believe we work our way into salvation as Catholics.
Yes you do. You believe good works help you to get saved. You also believe in Purgatory which is heresy.
@@johnsambo9379 Doing good works in accordance with a saving faith doesn’t mean we are working are way into heaven or meriting salvation.
Why do you think purgatory is heresy?
@@JJ-il8vf he probably was just being a little overly harsh. Or hopefully just a bit over enthusiastic. I think the proof text on purgatory struggles to hold up when tested and read in context.
I think the Bible is very clear about judgement and how it’s going to happen
@@JJ-il8vf Clearly you have never read nor studied the Catechism of the Catholic Church, nor the documents from Vatican II. The "infallible" council of Trent declared anathema upon anybody who says that salvation is by grace through faith alone, and not by works
@@williamwebster9565 yes, that doesn’t sanction pelagianism though. It means we can’t just simply believe Christ is Lord to be saved. We must act on that faith - not through our own personal motivation, but through grace.
Pastor Durbin! I hope you or any of your associates see this!
I live in San Diego. I am hungry and desperate to do apologetics. However, I don’t know of any group that does this. Please any help would be greatly appreciated!
yikes. imagine thinking the the Bible isn't a Catholic book.
@@crobeastness go pray to your idols
@@MarcanthonyTho idol (definition) - an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.
we dont have any of that. it's the most grave of sins next to blasphemy. sorry, but im not hindu.
I love the people Of the Catholic Church , and the faith. At some life long friends💓 I believe in being saved by grace, a course Romans 10 -9 in 10.. That's like so many other faith And what they believe. We're all going to stand at the judgment seat of Christ💓🤴🤱🌟
I’m tired of this argument. Catholics do not believe, nor have we ever believed you can work your way to Heaven. Never! Protestants like these completely misunderstand what is meant by “works.”
Everything is by God’s grace. Salvation is by God’s grace. However, it’s pretty hard not to do good works if you are truly a follower of Christ. Being good to your neighbor is a good work. Visiting prisoners, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked, are good works. And we must do these works, as we cannot claim to be a Christian and do nothing. That’s probably why the Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on the planet.
The king of deflection! Well done guys for consistently directing him back to the main point.
yikes. imagine thinking the Catholic Church wasn't established by Jesus.
@@crobeastnessestablished and then twisted and perverted into a false religion by adding unbiblical beliefs to it. Repent and trust in the free gift apart from works. Jesus is Lord and no catholic works can save you.
@@brewhaha515 wait so you at least admit she was established by Jesus himself. So then you believe the gates of hell prevailed and therefore Jesus' promise was false.
James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also"
Also, what teaching is umbilical?
@@crobeastness let’s get straight to the point. You are catholic right? Next question. How are we saved? Is it through faith alone or faith plus works?
The James scripture you quoted is saying that because we are saved by grace through faith alone that we do end up doing good works, because we love God, and the good works we do are proof of our salvation, but they are NOT to be mistaken as the reason for our salvation!
Therefore we do not HAVE to perform good works to EARN salvation. Salvation is a FREE gift and nothing we do can earn it.
Catholic teachings say to be saved you must have faith AND do works right?where in the Bible does it teach that stuff?
Also what’s up with indulgences and penance, can you explain that to me?
@@brewhaha515 Christianity is bigger than the Bible. Stop putting God in a box. His unfolding plan for His church is beyhond your comprehension.
What we see here is a pastor that knows what he’s talking about and a largely confused part-time believer. I salute Pastor Durbin for having so much patience with this person.
I’m a lawyer, with no wisdom.. sounds like most “educated” people. All knowledge, no wisdom. Sad times we live in.
I have a lot of respect for Pastor Jeff Durbin as an amazing street preacher. I do though disagree with him on his notion that works have nothing to do with our salvation. His associate cited Titus 3:5, which states "He (God) saved us not because of works done by us", which is true but only refers to the point at which we were first saved. Then from that point we must " work out our salvation with fear and trembling" (Phillipians 2-12-13). Why, because there will come the final judgement where the Lord Jesus will be sitting on his throne and the sheep will be separated from the goats according their works (Mathew 25:34-46).and those that did the "will of my father in heaven" (Mathew 7:21) will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and those that refused to do the fathers will will go into the " eternal lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Mathew 25:34-46). What could be more clearer than works play a pivotal part in our salvation?.I have great admiration for Pastor Jeff Durbin that he adopted a son as I was also adopted and because he is so patient and all the good work he does with his ministry. I just wish he would stop telling people that works have nothing to do with our salvation , when the Bible says it does.
Praise to the Father for your vigilance, Jeff!
Wonder how Jeff reconciles with St Paul's words in Philipians 2:12 where he encourages us to, "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling".
How would Jeff want St Paul to re-write that to fit his fallible interpretations of scripture. You have to remember,...Catholics are the original Christians,..and the Canon of scripture wouldnt even exist if it not for the Catholic church. Remember,..for the first 1500 years of christianity,...all there were Catholics whos teaching has been consistent for 2000 years. Picking on badly catechized Catholics is easy. Jeff you should debate Trent Horn, or Tim Staples, Or Jimmy Ackins, or evenn Scott Hahn. That would be interesting.
Philippians 2 is talking about how you should treat people and not glorify your self, not even Jesus glorified himself but came to serve. So be in "Fear" caution, take care, be careful, pay attention, to what you are doing and how you treat other and how you appear to others. This is a reference of James 2, justifying your salvation to others but not to God, to prove to others your are saved, act in this way. Its not talking about justification before God as Paul describes only by faith and grace and not of works.
That was interesting. He was committed to winning an argument not hearing the truth.
Just like these Pastors.
Truth? Over 4000 religions on earth, all professing "truth".
What is Works if not living out your faith - Loving God and loving your neighbour.
What is Love - Cor1:13
It is by the Grace of God that we are saved and God gives us gifts to be used for His Glory - remember the parable of the talents? 2 returned a profit for the Master and 1 buried the talent out of fear (or laziness). They all new the Master but not all obeyed. What happened to the one who did not obey?
So if we have faith but do nothing with it what happens to us?
So glad he preaches with respect and biblical exegesis.
a protestant has biblical exegesis?
To franklin youre absolutely right james is refering to faith and works we as catholics believe we are saved thru jesus even protestants believe we must repent of their sins just symantics the catholic faith is very jesus centered
we do good works because we're saved not because we want to be saved. Going out and preaching the gospel is considered as a good work. how is this so hard for protestants to understand.
I think that Mike’s profession gets in the way of truth, the man was trained to push back 😄
Im just curious:
This video was taken a year ago, why did pastor jeff not wearing a mask? Just curious.
Faith without works is dead James 2
Works is the fruit
This is better than any comedy show! Love your work!
For goodness sakes, Jeff. The Catholic Church doesn't teach that our works save us. It is only by the Grace of God that we are saved. The idea that Catholics "try to work our way to Heaven" is such an old, distorted argument. Try debating someone that actually knows what they're talking about. It's easy to pick some random, unprepared guy off the street.
As a Catholic myself, this guy is hardly a Christian, let alone Catholic. He's at best a new age "Christian."
of course they would post a video of the poorly catechized Catholic. then again, its kind of our fault for poor catechesis.
@@crobeastness I blame the parents first. They are the ones who should have made sure their child was adequately catechized.
@@Lerian_V my mom is very devout, went to Catholic school all my life and was force to go to mass every Sunday until i was like 21 and still left, became an atheist for a while until i reverted. This seems to be a very Catholic problem. Muslims for example dont leave the faith, same with evangelicals.
But i gotta say, once u stopped being atheist and seeking out all the religious claims across the world, it honestly baffles me why there are any Hindus and protestants in the world. Those seem the 2 most obvious write-offs. Then i started finding out slowly there is a whole culture of anti-catholicism that is present in protestantism. It's scary and no wonder they believe in things like qanon. Their culture is one big conspiracy theory.
@@crobeastness My mom was devout as well; she was Charismatic. But it was my dad that influenced my church-going. My mom would not have inculcated in me the character, discipline and devotion as much as my dad did. She was mercy while my dad was the law. As an adult male, I couldn't find any reason to leave a faith smart and tough person like my dad found to be reasonable enough to practice.
I think I understand the protestants' penchant for conspiracy theories. When you know a truth but wills to distort it to achieve a certain goal, you necessarily will have to manufacture another "truth" to fill in. It's like eating junk. Just like we can't starve our stomach, we can't starve our mind of truth. We must feed on something healthy or unhealthy.
This is what happens when you are taught doctrine but not relationship
Good thing Catholicism teaches both!
@@motleyminded85that's a lie. They teach you loyalty to the church and pope and take away from Jesus's sacrifice by saying Mary is just as important and the priests summon Christ into the eucharist
@@CornerstoneMinistry316 Whaaaaat???? They do not teach you that Mary is "just as important." You wanna talk about lying, let's start there. People revere and honor Mary because, as Jesus' mother, she is the most holy human to ever walk this earth and she is capable of interceding for us. Have you never prayed for someone or asked someone to pray for you? Catholics ask Mary, because she is closest to her son. As far as the Pope goes, he is just a leader of the Church. In the Bible, Jesus appoints Peter as the first Pope of his Church. If you trace the history of Christianity, you will find the Catholic Church and the Popes trace back to Peter. Jesus said, "Upon this rock I build my Church." Protestants rejected that and built their own. That's why there are over 100 denominations of Protestant churches.
Why protestants seems to be so attached to sola scriptura when john 2:24 literally says "you are not justified by faith alone but also by works"
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j yeah and what you say is exactly the point of view of the catholic church. Works are the best proof of your faith so, no work=no faith=no salvation wich is contrary to what luther said "believe boldly and sin as boldly and you will be saved" wich is not something anyone who love God would even think of.
The "sola fide" pernicious argument is just a misinterpretation of a simple message: anyone can GET to the faith, but many wont be saved (even john talks about some of the elect being lost)
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j yes but as i said, no faith=no works=no salvation. That is exactly what is precised in james 2:24.
There is nothing the magisterium of the church teaches that contradicts scripture.
And christ said himself that the church he left on earth when he left would stand untill the end time, the only church that stands since then is the catholic church, left to peter who was personally asked to lead the flock and to be the second stone that would continue christ's apostolic mission on earth.
Also luther said and did many thing like saying that the best remedy to the flesh was.. sex.
And i wont mention the time he said he fought the devil by shoving it into his rectum.
Or that poor peasants should submit to bad ruler as a punishment from God, before rebeling against the church because of its bad management.
Or that his friend and patron, Melanchton was a renowned kabbalist occultist, or that his oldest son became a famous alchemist.
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j the church does not teach salvation is the fruit of works it teaches striving to do things by love from God and avoiding sin is the only way to prove our faith.
With all the oportunities God gives us (like the parable of the three sons and the fields)
But sometime the oportunities are very small, that doesnt mean we wont be saved, to each according to his means (the good thief for example did not much but all he could)
In fact one of the biggest saint of the 20th century, Thérèse of Lisieux had a particular mission to prove that even a humble and criplled young girl can get to sainthood through small and seemingly insignificant but hard and persistent works.
Noone worship mary or the saints and in fact all the words from the "hail mary" are directly from the bible.
We simply thank them and let ourselves be inspired by their great life while asking them to help and pray for us.
I could tell you with reverence that you are a good person and ask you to pray for me, that would not mean i worship you.
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j confession and the perfect comunion of the saints in the spirit are from the bible, as told by christ himself.
He said "confess your sin to one another" and "i give the apostles the authority that any sin they will forgive i will wash" so christ himself left the sacraments of confession and absolution to his church.
Doing it in a box with a priest is the only way to have both.
And is there a better way to ensure privacy?
@@user-oy4hj8sm8j the church in the bible did not just talk about people nor building (noone claims that) it talked about functions and seats being transmitted all the way back from the apostles
I ask Catholics, how's your progress in saving yourself?
What's their answer?
@NicoCoco I used to say that when I was an atheist. That means...
@NicoCoco yes! I'm a born again Christian.
@NicoCoco Hallelujah!
Do you ask them any other confusing questions or you simply try to big note yourself on TH-cam?
I have a genuine question.. (not an argument) if someone who commits a horrible crime believes in Jesus and the Bible, do they still go to heaven?
Not without repentance and contrition as nothing profane shall enter Heaven.
"" Elvis??? I thought he left the building?? Jk LOLOL
Oh man, I really want to listen to this, but please if you guys are able, can you fix the static issue? It sounds like, either electrical interference, or a bad cable. Please, please, fix it. It is painful listening at points because of the fuzz-out.
I miss these kind of videos
Around 10:55, are they talking about a mask or mass?
As a former devoted catholic, I used to attend the mass 5 times a week, pray the rosary daily, was a leader of a Catholic group/movement on my campus, and was visiting the seminary to become a priest!
I once was questioned, If I am to die at this moment, where would I open my eyes afterwards. Although I was a devoted catholic, I didn't have an answer, the person questioning me, opened the Bible at first John chapter 5, and as he read I was amazed. The passage actually speaks about a true believer in Jesus, whom has earned assurance of gaining eternal life in heaven, through Christ.
It also says that if that believer doesn't acknowledge this assurance - eternal life in heaven - he is explicitly implying that God is a liar!
After this encounter, I decided to study my bible daily, although I was a Catholic who reads his bible(which is very rare here in my country). After a year of studying my Bible i saw how much the Catholic church is far from the Bible.
If you are a Catholic reading this I would suggest you search the following topics:
-The authority of scripture
-Justification and salvation: this is one of the most important topics, how am I to be reconciled with God according to the Bible!? What must I do to be saved!?
-The mass and transubstantiation (Emphasis on Hebrews 10,the "lost" book in Catholicism)
-The role of saints in The Bible
-The role of virgin Mary in The Bible
-Purgatory and the Bible
-The pope :Is he biblical, is he even in the first church!?
-The first church and the history of the Catholic church, did it really start with Jesus or with Constantine centuries later paving the way and with Gregory the first being the first "pope" (590A.D)
-The apocryphal books, why did they first show up in mid 15th century?
-Baptism, Is it for the babies?? , does it have to do anything with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit!?
-The sacred mysteries/sacraments and the Bible: why in a time of history they were 12 and 9 and 5 and now they stand at 7? Is the sacred mystery of confession biblical!?
"The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth." Psalms 145:18
God bless you all! MUCH LOVE!
you make me laugh you fell for the lie of E-Z faith, one without someone telling you what to do, a self-authorized version of the NT Church. where the individual assumes the title of Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Teacher, Exorcist and Vicar of Christ along with being the infallible interpreter of the Holy Scriptures with a direct line to heaven guided by the Holy Spirit. He took the bait and now he's hooked on a "non denomination church" as he calls it. It has no name. He was told that he needs a relationship, not a religion, ""Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me."
Let Jesus answer you In John, chapter 6, Jesus had not only called the 12 Apostles, there was also much larger group of other disciples. Things seemed to be going pretty well. That is until Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away? Simon Peter gives the same answer that I find myself saying to those who tell me I should leave the Catholic Church for this reason or that one, “Lord, to whom shall we go?”
If I weren't Catholic, I'd look for the Church that the world despises, for the world despised Jesus, and he would be there. - Fulton Sheen
@@kurtgibson2773 that's good
Laughing is good
John 6 has nothing to do with the eucharist
Cheers 🥳
@@thetruthshallsetyoufree2040 your kidding yourself Vs 55, Jesus said, "For My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed."
Vs 56, Jesus said, "He that eats My flesh and drinks My blood dwells in Me, and I in him."
Did He say, 'He that eats a symbol of My flesh...'. How can a mere symbol fulfill this promise?
Does only a symbol of Christ dwell in us? I thought GOD Himself dwelt within us, 1John 4:12-13.
Vs 59, This verse shows that Jesus taught this discourse to all the people.
Vs 60, They doubt a third time when many disciples said, "This is a hard saying, who can hear it"?
The Jews were instilled by many Old Testament verses, admonishing them not to consume blood.
See Deut 12:23, Lev 17:11and 14. They must have thought this was something akin to cannibalism.
Is this what you think too?
At any point did Jesus back down? Explain to me, if this chapter is symbolic, why did He not explain the symbolism to them?
Vs 61, Jesus did not back down, for He said, "Does this offend you?"
He knew their thoughts and He certainly knew the Old Testament verses about the consumption of blood.
In the next verse, He separated spiritual things from earthly things.
Vs 63*, Jesus said, "It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing. The words I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Did He say He was speaking figuratively or in parables? This is the second verse detractors use to try to "prove" that Jesus spoke figuratively for the whole chapter. Did Jesus say "My" flesh? No, He said "the" flesh. What Jesus had said was, that we cannot accept this mystery if we accept it in too human a way, by having an earthly view of things. Those who can only think of cannibalism, are they not having an earthly view?
See John 3:6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Verse 63 means that we should not have a carnal human understanding of His words, but a spiritual understanding.
In John, chapter 6, Jesus had not only called the 12 Apostles, there was also much larger group of other disciples. Things seemed to be going pretty well. That is until Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away? Simon Peter gives the same answer that I find myself saying to those who tell me I should leave the Catholic Church for this reason or that one, “Lord, to whom shall we go?” No matter what a certain priest does, no matter what scandals hit the church, despite whatever corruption or abuse of power might exist, and despite whatever mistakes the Church has made throughout history, “to whom shall we go?” for here is the body and blood of Christ given for a sinner as miserable as I.
@@kurtgibson2773 I would've replied
But I doubt you are a person who wants the truth
Just want to hear the lies you've been taught
@@thetruthshallsetyoufree2040 you mean your phony lies and slander that you cant back up at al
Hi Jeff, I admire you spreading the word of God and Jesus's teachings. I was raised as a Catholic like many and many can lose their faith along the way. It's sad to see a Catholic or Baptist that has been taught the bible as a kid and along their adulthood starts making their own laws that is somehow suited for them and still claim as Christians. I wish that I can stand alongside you and as you spread God's work even when they hated you for it. Right now, I can only spread the word of God to my husband and two kids so that they don't go stray from God as they grow up. And pray that they will keep the word of God when I am no longer with them. Once I thought that the bible was written for the Jewish people at that time. Jesus parables are difficult to uncover. But we have to upheld his laws face value. I don't doubt God nor Jesus. But I have a question? Can you explain to me the passage where if you are married and you as to look at another, you should gouge your eyes? Are we to literally act on that? I have been married for 20yrs but this passage means that I have sinned. So I need to resist and repent and to sin no more. But Jeff, to me God created men and some men are made so beautiful that I can not resist to look and admiring them. So what can you tell me about this matter. Am I being unfaithful to my husband? But in my mind I am.
He's a brave man, willing to debate on his beliefs. I pray he comes to the true knowledge of God.
Why does Apologia insist on monetizing their videos? It is an extreme distraction to have the gospel interrupted by worldly ads that are even pornographic. Is this necessary? Can God not provide to support your ministry without trusting in worldly dollars??
@Charles then why does Justin Peters or John MacArthur NOT have ads on their videos? Can you verify what you say, because I don’t think that is the case. But thanks for the response. I’d like to hear from Apologia about this.
@Charles I did see an article which seemed to corroborate your statement, but why do we not, as Christians, start our own video platform that promotes godliness without the stain of this world (to the best we can as fallen creatures, saved by grace). Same with Facebook, Twitter, InstaSin, and all the rest. Get off these horrible platforms! There has to be an alternative!
Their actions don’t play a part in their salvation remember so they can do things like that... lol
thanks again Jeff and crew you do a great job. It helps me much I can't always put scripture together like that. Very helpful 🙏🙏
As reformed Baptists, don’t you believe that baptism is not a saving work? And yet he quotes Titus, which plainly says He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.
Apologia studios is so dishonest. At 5:00 he openly states he's not Catholic and doesn't accept Catholic teaching, but was just raised Catholic, and they describe him as a Catholic. Smh.
This type of response seems very common. People who are so entrenched in works theology don't want to let that go and simply receive the free gift of salvation. It's so illogical and crazy.. you're offered the most amazing gift ever, yet would rather live in slavery because you're too proud to surrender. Let's pray for this man.
we dont believe in works based salvation. we dont believe in sola fide, but we do believe in sola gratia.
I was raised Catholic. The Catholic familial bond is so hard to break. You can show them hypocrisy within the church, and they won’t allow themselves to see it. Usually it’s out of love and respect for their parents. They think, “How could the people who raised me, the people I love so much be so incredibly wrong?”
It’s really just willful ignorance based on that feeling alone.
Yes that question is spot on. I felt the same way.
I've been really focusing in one Mark 4:12. Interesting if we pair Mark 4:12 with John 3:16-18. Am i viewing this different then proper? Given God is outside of time, is that saying in 3:18 those who do not believe has been judged already. Specifically the verb tenses for the "Has not believed" or "Has been judged already" and the other piece of the equation Eph 1:4, that God predestined those who will be saved already which the cycle in this logical chain back to Mark 4:12 that those who won't believe are the ones God is actively hiding the Gospel from... What's the point, might assert that many many (possibly a couple more) who we might ever witness to God is actively hiding the Gospel from, lets the be saved, but shouldn't as they have been judged already. It just strikes me exactly as the Catholic attorney is read verses directly from the Bible and says well i don't believe that, might assert humbly that the key point of what the attorney was rejecting was salvation by grace/faith alone and demonstrate Mark 4:12 in action??? Love watching Jeff && Company, wish them the best!
This Catholic wasn’t able to articulate the Catholic faith very well. As a Catholic we do believe the Bible is inerrant. But we believe there was also a tradition that was passed down that supports the Bible (not in a contradictory or correctional way).
At the beginning of every mass we recite the apostles creed
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.
Oh that 'Paul vs. James' thing is partly what my church USED TO base their "right division" theology on until we studied deeply enough to understand the congruency of the two.
Two things:
1. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus seems to advocate that "only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven." It's not just in chapter 7 either. Why is this rarely included in conversations on salvation?
2. Jeff often asks, "...so you disagree with Paul (or Peter)?" This is a snuck premise in that it assumes no interpretation is required of Paul or Peter's writings. Maybe I'm wrong. But I also might not be.
Good thoughts!
Regarding the sermon on the mount, the opening pericope of Matthew 5:17-20 (after the blessed are statements) provides the context for the rest of the sermon. I won't copy-paste the Scripture cuz I'm a bit lazy lol, but go read it! Jesus says that he is the one who has come to fulfill the law and the prophets. To fulfill the law, he must keep every command perfectly. Earlier, Jesus already said that he has come to fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15). And, as he goes on through the sermon on the mount, providing the divine interpretation of the law, he actually raises the standard of what it means to keep and fulfill the law eg. if you even look with lust, you commit adultery. So to the point, at the end of the pericope, Jesus says that we must have a righteousness exceeding the scribes and Pharisees (who were known to be the strictest lawkeepers) in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Who can do that!? Who has never looked with lust or wished their brother dead in anger? The answer is already given to us. Remember, Jesus said that he has come to fulfill the law, not that you and I fulfill the law, because the whole point is that we can't! And so the post-cross reader of Matt 5:20 need not despair, but rejoice! Because Jesus is victorious, and by grace, through faith, apart from any work of law, our sin has been imputed to him, and most importantly, his perfect righteousness has been imputed to us, so that whosoever is believing in him can enter the kingdom of heaven!
Regarding the second point, of course interpretation is being done, but I didn't hear Jeff citing any difficult or controversial verses. At a basic level, we believe that God inspired and gave Scripture in such a way that it is understandable and accessible even to the simple man; we're not gnostics! If you have 30 mins (or 15 if you watch on 2x speed like me) I'd recommend this video on what Protestants mean by the clarity of Scripture: th-cam.com/video/H6S8RFY5sQY/w-d-xo.html This channel is criminally too small, because there is some really quality, and charitable, Catholic-Protestant dialogue here. Further, it is good audio and video, so it is pleasant to watch.
Peace in God's name! We can rejoice in Advent and the Lord's day today.
Oh, one other thought! Of course we know that those who do God's will, are righteous, doers of good deeds and charity, endure to the end, etc, will be saved. But this is because all who are justified by faith alone are sanctified by grace alone. God causes his people to observe his statutes (Ezek 36:26-27, Phil 2:12-13), so as the saying goes, while we are saved by faith alone, saving faith is never alone. Saving faith always produces obedience (some thirty, some sixty, some hundredfold), but the obedience is never the grounds of our justification, for if it was by works, it is not by grace (Rom 11:6).
@@benjamincolson I'll need to meditate more on your points and the passages you mentioned. Thanks for responding!
I should say that I am unsure where I fall on the catholic-protestant spectrum (if you'll grant that there is one). In fact, most of my convictions have been weakened, as I have been encouraged by my pastors to understand "the royal gospel" -- a view that has been advocated by Mathew Bates, NT Wright, Tim Mackie, Scott McKnight, etc.
I guess I am at a point where I can't confidently say that there is one way to see scripture. That's why I struggle to affirm the clarity of scripture. I don't want to struggle to affirm it, though. I'd love to actually have some convictions again.
@@ryanfisher8121 I know what it's like to be where you're at. For me, whenever I stumble across a new world of interpretation that I never knew of before (whether it be John Walton on Genesis 1, the strange world of full preterism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or anything) there is always this season of questioning everything foundational about what I have always believed. Over time, I've learned to be more comfortable with that state of needing to reevaluate my convictions from a new angle, without falling into despair that I have it all wrong in the meantime. My advice to you is to continue to remain prayerful, and remain fully captive to God's word, not letting anyone or anything distract you from Christ (I recommend that you read and pray over Eph 4:14-15, Col 2:1-4, 1 Pet 3:15, and 1 Cor 1-2).
With the idea of the royal gospel, I think that there is certainly truth there, but we also musn't forget that in 1 Cor 15, Paul says that Jesus died "for our sins" and so we have to ask what it means that Jesus died "for our sins." So Reformed theology, penal substitution, and salvation by grace through faith to be saved from our sins works alongside of, rather than in opposition to, the message that Jesus is king of the world who has conquered death, and he is reigning and subduing his enemies, bringing his rule and peace to the nations. BTW, that is why I appreciate the postmillenialism of Apologia and other Reformed churches, because they respect that aspect of the gospel that goes beyond individual salvation.
The benefit of being torn between two important positions (in your case, Catholicism and Protestantism) is that it is always sanctifying. I'll pray for you today; thanks for replying! Did you get a chance to watch that video? It is actually part of a whole series on Scripture.
@@benjamincolson I did watch that video!! I forgot that I could watch videos at 2x speed. That is helpful and also dangerous...
I am willing to affirm that salvation is by faith alone. But faith has been defined to me as diehard allegiance to the King. According to my pastor, this saving faith would therefore include doing the will of the Father, as Jesus points out in Matthew 7:21. I am going to read the sermon on the mount again tonight and try to see it from your perspective.
This guy has been so fear mongered into wearing masks and safety nets in his gospel he’s been blinded and deafened. Prayers for mike and his soul
So the first thing to do when a person quotes a Scripture challenging Catholic belief is to get them to look at the context of the verse they are quoting. This is especially important when dealing with the question of Salvation, because the New Testament speaks of Salvation in at least there ways: past tense (we are saved), present tense (we are being saved), and future tense (we will be saved). Protestants tend to stress salvation in the past tense, while catholics and orthodox tend to stress either the present tense or future tense.
Titus 3:4-5 is dealing with past tense salvation, The salvation that has already been accomplished and which the individual had no active part in, is our liberation from sin. This is made clear by Titus 3:3 where Paul reminds Titus of our condition before regeneration: we were enslaved by passion, foolish, disobedient and misled. Initial salvation or justification (as Paul calls it in Romans) involves regeneration, which liberates us from our enslavement to sin and makes us free to know, love and serve God. It is effected by the "washing or rebirth and renewal in the Holy Spirit" and makes us heirs in hope of eternal life.
Once born again by water and the Holy Spirit, and made alive in Christ, we enter into the process of sanctification and striving for that holiness without which no person can see God (Hebrews 12:14). The error of many evangelical Protestants is the assumption that, if a person has received the first stage of salvation - i.e. have been made alive in Christ through the gift of regeneration - the other two stages are guaranteed to follow. Nothing could be further from the truth. Once born again were are enabled and required but not compelled to co-operate with grace so as to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). This is where our works become a necessary part of salvation. It is important to note that at the Final Judgment, our entrance into God's kingdom (or rejection therefrom) is based on our works (Matthew 25, Matthew 7:21- 27), not our faith alone.
i was raised Catholic. I had to leave to find Jesus. He wasn't there. The Catholic Church keeps their congregants ignorant by not reading the Bible. not to mention my Mother was a die hard Catholic and was the meanest human being ever in my life. Did nothing to help evangelize her child.
So what was your family's excuse and yours for not reading Scripture
The Church forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful . . . to learn the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ, by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ. Catechism Of the Catholic Church (CCC 133)www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/
Pope St. Gregory I (died 604 AD) “The Emperor of heaven, the Lord of men and of angels, has sent you His epistles for your life’s advantage-and yet you neglect to read them eagerly. Study them, I beg you, and meditate daily on the words of your Creator. Learn the heart of God in the words of God, that you may sigh more eagerly for things eternal, that your soul may be kindled with greater longings for heavenly joys.”
Pope Clement XI (1700 - 1720) To forbid Christians to read Sacred Scripture, especially the Gospels, is to forbid the use of light to the sons of light, and to cause them to suffer a kind of excommunication.
Pope Pius VI (April 1st 1778 AD) “the faithful should be excited to the reading of the Holy Scriptures: for these are the most abundant sources which ought to be left open to every one, to draw from them purity of morals and of doctrine”
Pope Pius VII (1800 - 1823) "encourage their people to read the Holy Scriptures ; for nothing can be more useful, more consoling, and more animating, because they serve to confirm the faith, to support the hope, and to influence the charity of the true Christian."
Pope Leo XIII (1893) “The solicitude of the apostolic office naturally urges and even compels us…to desire that this grand source of Catholic revelation (the Bible) should be made safely and abundantly accessible to the flock of Jesus Christ”
Pope Pius X (1903 - 1914) “Nothing would please us more than to see our beloved children form the habit of reading the Gospels - not merely from time to time, but every day.”
Pope Benedict XV (1914 - 1922) “Our one desire for all the Church’s children is that, being saturated with the Bible, they may arrive at the all-surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ”
Pope Pius XII (1943) “... This author of salvation, Christ, will men more fully know, more ardently love and more faithfully imitate in proportion as they are more assiduously urged to know and meditate the Sacred Letters, especially the New Testament ...”
Pope John Paul II (1979) “catechesis must be impregnated and penetrated by the thought, the spirit and the outlook of the Bible and the Gospels through assiduous contact with the texts themselves”
Pope Benedict XVI (2006) “I urge you to become familiar with the Bible, and to have it at hand so that it can be your compass pointing out the road to follow. By reading it, you will learn to know Christ.”
Pope Francis (2015) “The Bible is not meant to be placed on a shelf, but to be in your hands, to read often - every day, both on your own and together with others”
Gee, good thing you don’t like condescending emails, right? Anyway, I am not rebuking God’s Word, I am rebuking man’s word and, in particular, I am rebuking your word. Your fallible, man-made, non-authoritative, biased and bigoted word.
You speak of the “laughable infallible teachings of the [M]agisterium,” yet you tend to also speak as if you yourself are infallible. Do you believe your private interpretations of Scripture to indeed be infallible? And, if not, will you then admit that your private, fallible interpretations of Scripture, in regard to Purgatory and other such Catholic teachings, could be wrong? You won’t admit that, though, will you? You know why? Pride, Freddy boy...pride. You are too proud to admit that you could be wrong. That your interpretations are indeed fallible and, therefore, prone to error.
I find it less than honest that Mr. pinhead mentions particular quotes from paragraphs of the Catechism without giving any context for those quotes, and does his best to twist the meanings of those quotes.
He is one of these former Catholics who knows "everything" there is to know about the Catholic Church and its teachings and who feels a special call to save Catholics from the darkness of Romanism that he was, at long last, able to escape from.
It’s astonishing when bible worshippers have no fundamental understanding of how the bible came to be. Worshipping the bible is idolatry, we are ONLY called to worship Jesus. It is important to note that the Catholic Church canonized the bible and the bible was literally created FOR the church. Protestantism and the thousands of denominations that came with it polluted Christianity and how we are called to worship. For the first 1000 years after Jesus died EVERY Christian was worshipping Jesus the *same* way through “mass” and Catholic Tradition. There was no Pastor Jeff sharing his interpretation of scripture at his non-denomination church nor was there Martin Luther and his thousands of Protestantism denominations. Only uninformed Christians fall for this rubbish.
So you never once attended Mass, then? Scripture is read at every Mass every day throughout the entire world. And the Church encourages Catholics to read their Bibles. Careful of the false witnessing there.
But paul said everyone should work for his own salvation with fear and trembling. So what works are you not justified and what work should be done for your slavation?
the moment Jeff enters in 🍿 FINAL BOSS
Don’t worship man
Nah, this guy who calls himself Catholic is the tutorial. Find true Catholics and debate them instead.
Jeff looks like a baseball coach here lol... Great witnessing. Apologia Studios, please fix your audio.. I've noticed periodic problems in the podcast and also this video. Just trying to help! God bless!