Roman Catholicism's False Gospel | Collision w/ Jeff Durbin
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- This is a portion of our show Collision. Jeff responds to Tim Staples from Catholic Answers and the claim that Justification by Faith Alone is nowhere to be found in Church History or the Bible. Collision is exclusively available on All-Access at apologiastudios.com/shows/col.... To watch the full 54 minute response follow the link and check it out. We release a new episode every week.
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For all those who *CLAIM* they believe in *"Scripture ALONE"* , they ALL should be *SILENT* and hand out the *"BIBLE ALONE"* The moment people *start telling other people what THEY think the bible says* and apply it to what THEY think it means, *the bible is NOT ALONE* They become hypocrites! And, that is how every heresy begins, the Protestants and the cults simply can't leave the scripture ALONE.
Please notice all the comments asking for the music to be eliminated. It adds nothing and takes away much.
Please re release this video without the annoying background music
@@catholic4sure976
What does that even mean? You're a member of the cult of Catholicism, right? Okay, so what is the Gospel according to the Roman Catholic Church? Isn't that the most important thing? Shouldn't we just start there?
The most common comments on the video? That annoying music looping in the background. I would assume you all have noted that and omit it in the future. Thank you!
“Non-denominational just means you’re a ‘Baptist’ with a cool website” ~ Comedian Tim Hawkins
i am non denom. just means i seek truth of my Savior thru the Bible. not thru certain men
@@rocketsurgeon1746Real 💯
Non-denominational means you follow the teachings of Christ, and not the Dogma of the man behind the pulpit. Most non-denominational Christians I know couldn't possibly be any further from Baptists.
@@markwildt5728It depends on which version of the Bible you're using...
@@rocketsurgeon1746 As a former non denom and Fundie Baptist, I just cobbled together different interpretations from denominational adherents.
I am a Catholic and i love pastor Jeff. Battle of egos in Christianity and it affects both Catholics and Christians. Jesus is the way and our traditions in many countries will always vary. Our relationship with our LORD is personal. Pastor Jeff or the Pope in Rome won't grant us salvation Jesus will.
They never claim to provide us salvation. If you truly are a Catholic, you would know this.
Yea but the grace of God Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross is not sufficient for Catholics. They believe that its grace + unbiblical sacraments and traditions not just grace through faith. U guys don’t believe that the cross made u righteous in the sight of God and that u are no longer a sinner.
@@sushmitasundar8729 False. We are all sinners. You dont know nothing about the Catholic faith and you just proved it.
@@isawthelight Yes we were all sinners. That’s the point. Jesus saved us apart from anything we could do and gave us HIS righteousness. Do u believe that because of his finished work that God sees u as righteous? That it was apart from anything u can do and will continue to do? If so, why go to purgatory to be “purified” so u can be righteous in front of God? U already should have Jesus’ righteousness and therefore not require any more cleansing.
@@sushmitasundar8729 First Im not a Roman Catholic so I cant really respond to purgatory. One thing I do know is that the Catholic church believes we are Saved by Grace Alone. By believing in Jesus and only by Grace are we saved. Good works just comes because we are in Christ Jesus. But no matter what we do we all fall short of the Glory of God. But by his Grace we are saved if we believe.
“I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness came by the works of the law, then Christ died in vain.”
- Galatians 2:21
Amen!
Did you really just say that non denominational Christians don’t know what they believe & why? You’re essentially asserting that we are not able to read scripture. The Holy Spirit leads & guides a regenerated person, not a specific denomination. Incredibly ignorant statement.
I think all denominations have an epidemic of uninformed Christians. I was talking to a Catholic friend and he didn't even know who John the Baptist was, or what repentance is. This can be argued for why the average Christian does need a firm guiding hand like the Catholic or Orthodox church, especially education-wise, but the best thing is to simply read the Bible and pray for God to help you understand it.
You have 33,000 denominations ,hows that individual interpreting working for you.
Huge generalization that Jeff made
Yeah, I am not agreeing with his comment on that either.
Appreciate your ministry brother.
jeff you should debate trent horn on this issue
He wont..
He scared
Trent Horn? 🤣🤣🤣
@jessebryant9233 now there's that Christian charity and kindness. Fascinating
@@thenotorious2322 I've looked at all his videos, he is not ever, and I literally mean ever had a one-on-one conversation with any of the Catholic apologist. There's a reason for that
Jeff, I'm curious, have you ever considered engaging in debate with Trent Horn on these matters? I have reason to believe that he would be more than eager to participate.
James has debated trent before.
Jeff, not James.
@@joelburch9174 James is Jeff’s mentor. That’s what I’m getting at.
It'd be light work. He already spanked James on calvinism. Jeff doesn't want any of that. He's better sticking to rebutting without letting the other side have a try at answering.
@@bebocoronado In what way did he spank James?? Through context or select Church Father interpretations? Trent doesn’t exactly have an original thought from what i saw. He seems to read from 2nd and 3rd hand sources and reads snippet sections plainly, dogmatically inflating sections. What did i miss?
From what ive seen, Jeff exegetes scripture, Trent repeats church fathers reading scripture. Trent never seems to “touch@ scripture under his own ability. Surely as a catholic and supposed child of God hes able??? Scripture says those born from above know gods voice through scripture and the holy spirit. Not third hand by means of “better men”.
I am not trying to out you down but surely you could better explain Trent’s position??? Trent certainly doesn’t do a good job of it.
How to be Christian did a great video showing why the false teachings of this sect are illogical. I encourage watching it to improve your reading comprehension and to learn more about Christian teachings :)
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Watched it, not great. He’s got his own logical mistakes to deal with (one example would be conflating action verbs with stative verbs). Either interpretation is logically possible taking Romans, Ephesians, James, and Genesis together…which is probably why Catholics and Protestants still disagree on this issue.
Is belief a work? @@jonsawyer6977
That channel is perhaps one of the worst resources for Christian theology.
@@KnightFel I agree. I know that channel. And if one is looking for really bad apologetics, it's one of the examples ~ among many.
As is often the case, the Church Fathers' statements are removed from their context and distorted by Protestant apologists. It is interesting to note that the same St. Clement of Rome stated the following just two chapters prior to the one quoted in this video: "Let us cleave, then, to those to whom grace has been given by God. Let us clothe ourselves with concord and humility, ever exercising self-control, standing far off from all whispering and evil-speaking, BEING JUSTIFIED BY OUR WORKS, and not our words....Let us therefore earnestly strive to be found in the number of those that wait for Him, in order that we may share in His promised gifts. But HOW, beloved, shall this be done? If our understanding be fixed by faith towards God; if we earnestly SEEK the things which are pleasing and acceptable to Him; if we DO the things which are in harmony with His blameless will; and if we FOLLOW the way of truth, CASTING AWAY from us all unrighteousness and iniquity, along with all covetousness, strife, evil practices, deceit, whispering, and evil-speaking, all hatred of God, pride and haughtiness, vain glory and ambition. For they that DO such things are hateful to God; and not only they that DO them, but also those that take pleasure in them that DO them" (St. Clement of Rome to the Corinthians, Capitula 30 & 35). St. Clement is stating that we do not have the right to boast in ourselves (cf. Eph. 2:5-10 & Clement to the Corinthians, Caput 30) but are reliant upon God and His grace, for the Lord is the primary actor in our salvation and we simply respond and cooperate with the grace that He has freely offered us. St. John Chrysostom responds to the notion that one can be justified by the works of the Mosaic Law apart from the Law of Faith/Liberty/Christ/Grace. This He says is not so and that by the Grace of Faith (Alone) which is the first grace a believer receives is absolutely necessary for justification and ultimately salvation unto glory. St. John Chrysostom also says this and is not a friend, whatsoever, of Pastor Durbin: "'He that believes in the Son has everlasting life.’ ‘Is it enough, then, to believe in the Son,’ someone will say, ‘in order to have everlasting life?’ By no means! Listen to Christ declare this himself when he says, ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord! Lord!” shall enter into the kingdom of heaven’; and the blasphemy against the Spirit is alone sufficient to cast him into hell. But why should I speak of a part of our teaching? For if a man believe rightly in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit, but does not LIVE RIGHTLY, his faith will AVAIL HIM NOTHING TOWARD SALVATION” (Homilies on the Gospel of John 31:1).
Through faith are you made righteous.
Durbin understands that faith without works is a "dead faith": th-cam.com/video/aBGZljY7smE/w-d-xo.html go to the thirty-four minute mark. Christians believe that Faith = Salvation + Works and not Faith + Works = Salvation
Clement didn't subscribe to faith+works. "BEING JUSTIFIED BY OUR WORKS, and not our WORDS" The quote that you capitalized is in relation to "actions speak louder than words" So if you are a preacher, but don't walk the walk, how can you be justified? Anyone can build themselves up by reciting scripture. But if you do not express your Faith by your works, then you have no faith and are not justified. You are a hypocrite, whom Jesus admonished many many times.
Reading this (and thank you for sharing) I can see how the RCC thought that you must do good works in addition to having faith to be saved. But this should have been taken into context with all the other passages in scripture which affirm (true)Faith = Salvation. Because if you love Jesus, you will obey Him and abide in Him. To simply proclaim Him your Lord is just "words".
The ultimate problem of F+W=S when you place "works" before Salvation in the above equation is that makes Works start to become about YOU. You do works not for God, but for yourself so you can get to Heaven. But God says, here is my Son, believe and trust in Him because He took your sins away, not by your own doing but by His. So then when you receive this wonderful Gift, you are glad, and rejoice and love Him because of it. When you love an authority (such as a parent or Jesus), you obey them (works). But When you are indifferent to an authority, you might obey them but only for the sake of not being punished. Also, just because you do good works, it does not necessarily prove your love for Him. Maybe you are doing good works because you look good to your neighbors. Which is why "faith alone" is so important.
I hope you understand now.
@@zacharyevans8152 Acts 16:31; Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Ephesians 1:13; and Philippians 3:9.
@@Fjaelyep amen!
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@@Fjaelyep @zacharyevans8152 @@esustalkspace Acts 16:31: I concur that we must believe to be saved. Romans 3:28: speaks about works of the Mosaic Law not works of love (see Gal. 5:6). Romans 4:5 speaks about the same Mosaic Law, not works of love that cooperate with faith; notice that immediately following v. 5, David's example is propped up in vv. 6-8 where Paul quotes Psalm 32, a Psalm of repentance from sin. Romans 5:1, stripped from its context and ignores what comes immediately after, viz., Paul's true understanding of being justified by faith, that is through loving virtuous acts: "Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces ENDURANCE, and endurance produces CHARACTER, and character produces HOPE, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us" (vv. 3-4). Galatians 2:16 & 3:24 again speak about works of the Mosaic Law and not works of love. Ephesians 1:14 speaks generally about the inheritance itself. The inheritance is a down payment that He offers until all things come to pass, where God judges those who will be saved and those who will be damned. The very word "arrabon" in Greek denotes a temporary state until the full amount is paid. It is still possible for some to fall away by rejecting God until that comes to pass (see Hebrews 10:26-31 & Gal. 5:4). You utterly misunderstand Philippians 3:9 because this clearly speaks about righteousness not coming from the Mosaic Law. I wholeheartedly concur with that! Notice what Paul says in vv. 13-16: "Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained." Paul speaks again about enduring unto the end, the same thing he states in Romans 5, and then says that we must hold on to what we have already attained through faith because if we don't, we will not be saved. That is why he tells the Philippians to imitate him in v. 17, and then speaks about those who have become enemies of Christ by turning away from him (vv. 18-19).
Traditions of men make void the word of God.
The apostles spread the gospel and laid down the traditions of faith they gave us.
The Word of God without its tradition of authority and practice is witnessed in Protestantism and skepticism and no unity or structure,
So great that Pastor Jeff takes the time to go through these controversies step by step, using the scripture as it should be used and getting to the real crux of the matter. There are so many progressives twisting the scripture these days, the Pastor gives an object lesson in how to dismantle the lies and false doctrines. In our church people accept as a fact that Christians disagree on biblical interpretation and that we therefore cannot claim that the Bible says anything definitively at all. We actually celebrate diversity and consider our doctrinal tolerance as a strength and sign of maturity. Thank God for leaders like Pastor Jeff! A true shepherd of the flock!
They’re not two dueling deposits. It’s sacred scripture and sacred tradition. Both are divinely inspired. If there was no authority to interpret sacred scripture, then the faith would have been lost in the fist few centuries, because people were coming out with their own interpretations. Some believed Jesus was a separate god, similar to the pagan gods, but if the authority of early church hadn’t interpreted the Gospels and letters of the people closest to Christ we’d have a Christian non-denom believing Jesus was a god like Apollo or Zeus.
We need an ultimate authority on earth, that’s the Catholic Church.
I point all my brothers in Christ to Pints with Aquinas Podcast, or to listen to the full Catholic Answers show.
What is the sacred tradition that rome claims? What is it that Jesus or the apostles did, taught, wrote or said that is not in the scriptures? If you can not answer these questions then it is just man made traditions.
@@tricord2939 Id refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church as to where all traditions have been written and preserved over time. But even if you look back to early church councils and bishops, they all are linked to the sacred traditions of the CC.
Yes !! Thank you for saying this !!!
Catholic answers cherry picks certain scriptures to fit the traditions of the RC church. If you study scripture in it's fullest context, you will see a big difference. In terms of the errors in the early church, Paul takes the heretics to task,, as do the church fathers. You may want to go back and watch this video again. As a former Catholic, and a devout one at that, I see where you are coming from, but 'no cigar".,
How you can say that the Catholic church treats both scripture and tradition equally? That's what the RC apologists say, and it's easy to fall for. In these perilous times, I listened to many Catholic podcasts on how to protect yourself from spiritual attack. Not one of them even mentioned reading the bible! Even Bishop Strickland, whom I greatly admire, didn't even mention reading the bible in one of his recent videos on this subject!!!
Let's take Mary, the mother of God. Do you really need an authority to interpret the scripture that clearly states that there is only ONE mediator, Christ Jesus, between man and God? Is it really that hard to understand? The scriptures were written years before the institutional church gained power and decided that they would be the ultimate authority in interpreting them. So, what, then, was the purpose for the very people who walked with our Lord, in writing down what He said? Was that all for nothing?
The Catholic apologists say that Mary points the way to Jesus. Then why did she instruct the children at Fatima to build a shrine to HER? Why, did I hear trad Catholics give all the glory to Mary, when one of their prayers was answered? No mention of Jesus. None. Why, when I received correspondence from devout Catholics, they would sign off with "In Jesus, through Mary"? Why is Mary considered Mediatrix of all graces? Does God really need her to help Him distribute those graces? I know that Catholic apologists will make reference to the wedding at Cana to justify this. Mike Winger goes into great detail on that one, and even though I like Trent Horn, who likes to refute Mike, again, "no cigar". Gavin Ortlund is also good.
Many years ago, before I reverted back to the Catholic church, I used to be a pagan. I used to practice witchcraft. Thank God, I never joined a coven and was not into it as heavily as I could have been. But witchcraft is witchcraft. What do you think the Rosary is? It's very similar to the pagan practices in which we learned to recite certain formulas and/or mantras (the Rosary is a repetitive prayer, much like a mantra) to a God or Goddess to get our intentions answered. And then, there's "contemplative prayer", which is what you do when you meditate on the mysteries of scripture, while praying the Rosary. Won't go into that, here!
Look up the similarities between the Goddess Diana, and Mary, the mother of Jesus. If the Catholics appeased the pagans by adopting their traditions to bring them onto the church (think Christmas and Easter), then why wouldn't they do the same regarding the Goddess Diana???
Yes, the Catholic church does recognize both scripture and tradition; but, in reality, tradition trumps scripture. But they won't tell you that. I left the Catholic church for several reasons, but when tradition contradicts scripture, then something is wrong. Very wrong.
Thank you for taking the time to read this long post, and may God be with you.
I agree with most of what you say in the long post, but in short response I’d say that for the sacred scripture to be understood and utilized you need a an Authority. Jesus gave this Authority to Peter which has followed papal succession to today. You may not all of what the RC has to say, but the church is made up of broken people. The spirit and faith is what carries the RC church today. The same spirit that lead the early church fathers carries us today. We all fall short to the Glory of God, but with Christ and the help of His church, redemption is possible.
jeff sees no distinction between works, good works, and works of the law?
Exactly what I noticed too, he seems to think it's all the same thing which it isn't.
Great video
Wow. Incredible quotes.
You should debate a Catholic theologan
This should be good!
Very good content brother.
Brother Jeff's MESSAGE SUMS IT UP!✝️
Also I could see catholic apologist saying yes the words "faith alone" appear in church history. However, they mean a faith filled with love, hope, and charity.
Right! And they mean THE faith, not what evangelical Protestants mean by individual faith.
Well that Catholic apologist would be wrong
@@seanpermann5570how so
I so wish you would go on Pints with Aquinas or have them on your show.
I second this. Would be epic.
Reformed teacher pastors are so clear on Justification by faith alone. That was great!
Excellent!
My Experience having come from a Pentecostal charismatic church ... a LOW VIEW of scripture, opens the door to poor doctrine Thanks Jeff for all your works OF FAITH
♥️ I was also in a Pentecostal church never once did I hear the gospel ♥️
2 Corinthians 4 kJV
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
✝️ gospel 🩸
1 Corinthians 15 kJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
✝️🩸
Romans 3 kJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
✝️ The gospel of your salvation 🩸
Ephesians 1 kJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
I grew up in a Pentecostal charismatic church. I don't know what you mean by low view of scripture.
@@sally9352
Yeah. Too general a picture.
It would vary from congregation to congregation.
Still, early Pentecostalism did
overemphasise one thing
at the expense of others.
If the Scriptures is misused,
the practice of it gets abused.
Proper exegesis gives Balance.
@billymandalay3989 I agree, but you can say that about every denomination. It really depends on the Church you go to.
I'm Pentecostal and we don't have a low view of the scripture. Your church wasn't built correctly then.
The background music adds nothing and it makes it harder to hear what’s being said
lol what
Maranatha!
We all need to help each other always. There but for the glory of God go I
so he started his video by making a strawman argument and tells his viewers the Catholic church believes in Sola Ecclesia? 🤦♂️
that wasn't a strawman
@@seanpermann5570 dude the Catholic Church DOESNT TEACH Sola Ecclesia, "Sola ecclesia" is the MISperception made by James White against the Catholic Church therefore ITS STRAWMAN.
What is a strawman argument?
If I perceived you are X when you do not claim you are X and then I insist you are X just because I perceived you are X then all I do is make myself foolish by arguing with a strawman and not with you. Now do you know what a strawman argument is????
Amen, Jeff. Keep speaking the truth of Gods word boldly!
Which word is that? Baptist, Anabaptist? Lutheran? CoE (aka Anglican), Methodist? Presbyterian, Calvin?
@@johnchrysostomon6284
Which word?
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Solomon
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation
Hope this helps!
@@NostalgicPiano Everyone knows that God exists. Have you ever heard of an atheistic tribe?
You have an appointment with death and an appointment with God, whether you believe in God or not.
@@johnchrysostomon6284God's!
@@Elizabeth-rk3do
Hey, was your comment related to my post??
The difficulty here is that when you dig deep into John Calvin's work, what you find is that his justifications on the self-attestation of scripture is based completely on feelings.
"This, however, we do, not in the manner in which some are wont to fasten on an unknown object, which, as soon as known, displeases, but because we have a thorough conviction that, in holding it, we hold unassailable truth; not like miserable men, whose minds are enslaved by superstition, but because we *feel* a divine energy living and breathing in it..."
Jeff Durbin, is it okay that you refer to Abraham as Father Abraham... Or should you be calling no man on Earth father, because you have but one Father in heaven?
I think it's ok for a church to just be called Christian. Our church has very clear doctrines of belief but there is no denomination that is claimed.
The original men called themselves Jews.
Cyril of Alexandria writes, "We must try therefore and that most straitly, writings on the Divine doctrines, and if any should go along with the sacred Scriptures and speed its clear and most unerring way therein, let it be acclaimed by us too with testimonies to its orthodoxy: but if it form its language cold and astray and amiss, yea rather giver of destruction to the readers, let it hear from every mouth, ‘But ye are uttering and telling us another error.’" (Five Tomes Against Nestorius, Book 1, paragraph 3).
Cyril of Jerusalem (350 A.D.): The Church is called Catholic, then, because it extends over the whole world, from end to end of the earth, and because it teaches universally and infallibly each and every doctrine which must come to the knowledge of men, concerning things visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly, and because it brings every race of men into subjection to godliness, governors and governed, learned and unlearned, and because it universally treats and heals every class of sins, those committed with the soul and those with the body, and it possesses within itself every conceivable form of virtue, in deeds and in words and in the spiritual gifts of every description. ... And, if you ever are visiting in cities, do not inquire simply where the house of the Lord is for the others, sects of the impious, attempt to call their dens houses of the Lord, nor ask merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the name peculiar to this holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God.
Augustine (393 A.D.) We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and which is called Catholic, not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard. ... If all men throughout the world were such as you most vainly accuse them of having been, what has the chair of the Roman church done to you, in which Peter sat, and in which Anastasius sits today. ... If the very order of the Episcopal order is to be considered, how much more, surely, truly, safely do we number them from Peter himself, to Whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said: ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquor it.’ Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anicletus, Anecletus by Averistus… …In this succession, not a Donatist Bishop can be found.
Lactantius (304-310 A.D.): [The Heretics], having lost the name of Christ, they have ceased to be Christians, and have put on human and foreign names. It is therefore, the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this the domicile of faith, this the temple of God. Whoever does not enter there, or whoever does not go out from here, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation.
Pope Steven I (268 A.D.): And other heretics if they have parted themselves from the Church, can have nothing to do with its power and grace since all power and grace is settled in the Church, where presides presbyters [bishops] who possess both the power both of baptizing, and of imposing hands, and of ordaining.
Cyprian of Carthage (251 A.D.): There speaks Peter, upon whom the Church would be built, teaching in the name of the Church and showing that even if a stubborn and proud multitude withdraws because it does not wish to obey, yet the Church does not withdraw from Christ. The people joined to the priest, and the flock clinging to their shepherd in the Church. You ought to know, then, that the bishop is in the Church and the Church in the bishops; and if someone is not with the bishop, he is not in the Church. They vainly flatter themselves who creep up, not having peace with the priest of God, believing that they are secretly in communion with certain individuals. For the Church, which is one and Catholic is not split nor divided, but is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere one to another. ... While the bond of concord remains and the indivisible sacrament of the Catholic Church continues, each Bishop disposes and directs his own work, as one who must give an account of his admiration to the Lord.
Clement of Alexandria (202 A.D.): From what has been said then, it seems clear to me that the true Catholic Church, that which is really ancient is one. … We say therefore, that in substance, in concept, in origin, and in eminence, the ancient and Catholic Church is alone, gathering as it does into the unity of the one faith…those already chosen, those predestined by God who knew that before the foundation of the world, they would be just.
Tertullian (200 A.D.): Where was Marcion, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago-in the reign of Antonius for the most part-and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the papacy of the blessed Eleutherius, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled. ... But if you are near Italy, you have Rome - from where our authority derives. How happy is that Church, on which apostles poured out their whole doctrine along with their blood, where Peter endured a passion like that of our Lord, where Paul was crowned with a death like John’s.
Irenaeus (180 A.D.): But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul -that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition.
The Martyrdom of Polycarp (155 A.D.): And of the elect, he was one indeed, the wonderful martyr Polycarp, who in our days was an apostolic and prophetic teacher, bishop of the Catholic Church in Smyrna. For every word which came forth from his mouth was fulfilled and will be fulfilled.
Ignatius of Antioch (110 A.D.) Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Heretics abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our savior, Jesus Christ, Flesh which suffered for our sins, which the Father, in His goodness, raised up again.
I love these discussions.. I don't like the background music though. I feel like it gets in the way.
Thank you! I actually just read through this part in Genesis and it makes so much sense! Thanks for expounding.
Bishop Barron made a video on his channel in response to this. It's titled "Are We Saved by Faith Alone? - Bishop Barron's Sunday Sermon"
@@AnonOmous-hs4gb Right.
"You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
He said you had to believe Mary was assumed into heaven in order to be saved. I won’t be taking any advice from one who perverts the gospel.
The Roman Catholic Church is such a huge mission field that most Christians completely ignore, thinking something along the lines of, “well, they are close enough”. If your version of Jesus did not finish his work on the cross, needs help from a Co Redemptrix or various other intercessors that are long dead, if your works and traditions can somehow help him in his quest to save you….. you aren’t THAT close. Thank you for covering this topic and I pray we see more of it- it is desperately needed!!
Why would you try and convert the original Christians and lead them away from the gospel??
Nice strawman buddy, Catholics don’t disagree with you. Christ most certainly did finish His work on the cross and He doesn’t need help from other intercessors…but because we are all one spiritual body in Christ intercession is not a problem.
I also don’t understand why so many people are intent on calling Catholicism the “Roman” Catholic Church, there are so many different rites such as the Byzantine Catholic Church
@@AveChristusRex789Well technically, his work wasn’t finished on the cross. Without the resurrection our faith is in vein
If you think Catholics believe that, you aren’t really prepared to speak on the topic because you’ve clearly never engaged a serious/well-taught Catholic…straw-man out the wazoo
@@AveChristusRex789 What is purgatory, if not the fact that "unconfessed sins" be punished in an undefined timeframe in a place that is not spoken of in scripture, for the actions of an individual who is a "Christian" but has failed to keep the faith purely and without error? Its temporal punishment? Sounds like Hell, but reimagined by lunatics.
Purgatory, itself, flies in the face of the Redemptive Nature that is the Life, Death and Resurrection of Yeshua.
If he accomplished his work, then Purgatory is a lie to fearmonger people into obedience to man made requirements by the Roman Catholic Church (as it formed in the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, hence Roman Catholic Church... Because Byzantium adopted Orthodoxy).
If Purgatory is a true thing, then Yeshua did not accomplish his work and therefore, more must be required before full Grace and Redemption. And what is "unconfessed"? Unconfessed as in not spoken to a Priest, or unconfessed as in not given unto the all-knowing, all-powerful being who knows all known and unknown, confessed and unconfessed? If one has truly turned to Christ, then all is confessed, but it is not all confided in a man of the cloth. Unless the man of the Cloth has presumed himself an authority unwarranted, by a power not inherited. To which now he gatekeeps heaven (under the pretense of piety and holiness) from people he considers worthy or unworthy.
Intercession with the dead is akin to King Saul reaching out to Samuel after the Prophet's death. If you have to reach out to the dead, forgetting the authority and power granted Yeshua, then you're not just wrong, its blatant heresy. To call it intercession is a misuse of the term in the context of scripture, considering that at no point did the Disciples ever command communication or prayer to the dead. Especially when considering that such an example, as previously stated, did occur. And no, just because one believes in God rather than witchcraft, doesn't make it better or good.
And if we need to communicate with others, those who are not divine like Yeshua, then it removes the whole concept of Yeshua as being the only one who has redeemed us to the father, because he explicitly stated that no man comes to the Father except through him. Mary didn't do that. Paul didn't either. Not Peter. Not Bartholomew, not Stephen, the First Martyr, either. They spread the Gospel, but they are neither the author, the Word in Flesh, nor the Redeemer made Manifest.
Its not a strawman if there's considerations within the Catholic Church that clearly indicate that Christ's work was not, in fact, sufficient for one to receive grace upon belief and confession of faith.
Excellent exposition.
We can only serve one master.
“You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24)
This verse is brought up and talked about later in the video. Don’t know if you watched through to that point to see it, just in case you hadn’t seen that portion of the video
@@cubancavalier3051 I didn't listen that far, thanks for the heads up.
So after listening to the whole thing, Pastor Jeff makes a distinction between living faith and dead faith. He says faith without works is dead faith, and that dead faith doesn't save you. This is not against RCC doctrine, it seems Jeff is making a distinction without difference.
@@user-hj8vd2od9h Truth Unites channel does a very good job explaining the difference between catholics and protestants. He said catholics misunderstand protestants when we say faith alone. When a protestant thinks of the word faith he doesn't just think "belief in God". He also thinks that you will go through a transformation in your life and learn how to be a christian and walk with God loving God and it is through loving God that we obey his commands. All of that is wrapped up in the word faith. And it is not by our works we earn our salvation. So honestly we do have an agreement on faith, but a lot of catholics I've encountered believe if you do not do good works you won't get to heaven which is completely false.
@@inchristalone25 I greatly appreciate the nuance and respect of Truth Unites. Pastor Jeff seems to need more of it.
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The difference seems to be rather clear. Biblical Christians believe that works are the RESULT OF salvation, Catholics seem to teach that works are NECESSARY FOR salvation. Of course, before salvation, the Bible says that all our works are like menstrual rags... Chicken and egg?
The background music is so distracting for people with hearing issues and for people who wear hearing aids! The content from Apologia Studios is so rich and educational it doesn’t need the background noise. Hope everyone has a great day!
I’ve seen this same comment in his other videos. I guess he hasn’t seen them or none of his people have told him or doesn’t take the sentiments expressed by his viewers into consideration
@@EJ-gx9hlI'm sure he makes the videos himself with all the time he has on his hands
@@Hunyandi so then it’s his team who may see comments and don’t mention it to him
I'm Protestant, and I looked into Roman Catholicism because I want to be sure I'm honoring God in the right way.
I think the reason I could do this with an open heart is because I don't believe Protestantism saves me. I have no reason to believe I'll lose my salvation if I'm not specifically Protestant.
Catholics are told the only way to be saved is through the RCC.
Jehovah's Witnesses are also taught they are saved through their church. So if you ask them they will swear they can look into JW's doctrine etc and question it as much as they want. They convince themselves they CAN investigate, they just don't WANT to.
I think you have to be a very brave Roman Catholic to really look at your church with an open mind and heart.
This guy won’t debate Jimmy Akin from Catholic Answers. You know he is wrong because he talks about Roman Catholic. No such thing as a Roman Catholic. It’s the Catholic Church. Roman is a rite. You’re wrong. Catholicism does not teach what you claim. Have you read the CCC?
Can’t wait for you to debate tent horn
This is a 35 minute video with what? Two 15 second clips of his opponent? How is this actually helpful to anything if you don't even let your opponent explain their position?
womp womo
It isn’t meant to be a debate, or even a rebuttal, as far as I can tell it’s mostly an anti-Catholic sermon.
@@ChaChaDancin Womp womp, it’s definitely a rebuttal
Speaking of James chapter 2 and Catholic apologetics, bear in mind that Dr. James White has dedicated an entire chapter (20) of it in his monumental work: The God Who Justifies. No apologist of the Catholic church has even attempted to touch this since James' book was published back in 2001 !!!
That’s not true! Robert Sungenus refutes him totally in his book titled “NOT BY FAITH ALONE”
@@catholic4sure976
Romans 5:1
Therefore, being justified by faith we have peace with God. 🕊 💕
@@Elizabeth-rk3do Yes, but that's not what Protestants preach.
@@catholic4sure976 I know that my sins have been forgiven. I know that I have eternal life and will live forever with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 💕 I don't need the Roman Catholic Church to stand between me and God.
@@Elizabeth-rk3do I wouldn't bet on your sins being forgiven. You are still a self-willed rebellious little child who refuses to obey God. You say Jesus Christ is your "Lord and Savior" and then you refuse to obey him, who commanded you to obey the Church and its bishops. What kind of love for Christ is that? Faith without works is dead, and yours is dead on arrival.
Woe to those who mislead others away from the truth of Christ.
Read Romans everyday for a month. If Romes doctrine is so important, where is it? Not a word about the Eucharist. So glad God delivered me from the RCC
Edit: if the Eucharist is necessary for salvation it would be mentioned in Romans.
You’re looking in the wrong book.
The audience knew that Jesus wasn’t speaking metaphorically.
“The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
St John 6:53 DRC1752
Jesus doesn’t correct any misunderstanding. He doubles down on his meaning.
“Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.”
St John 6:54 DRC1752
The Catholic understanding of these doctrines are readily available online.
@@christusenciagahe did the same thing with the woman at the well and Nicodemus. Just cuz he doubles down doesn't mean that's what he's implying. John 3,4, and 6. All 3 instances show people taking Jesus literally. How can a man be born again? Where do I get this water? And then...how can we eat his flesh? It's spiritual, not literal. For it to be literal would make Jesus method of teaching inconsistent. He didn't correct Nicodemus or the Samaritan either.
@christusenciaga oddly, they didn't bite Jesus right there on the spot. The last supper was 2 YEARS after John 6. How many people died in those 2 years? Did they all go to hell? Now take John 6:35-37 literally. The bread of life is BELIEVIG IN JESUS.
@@illadvized7623 What do you mean by spiritual?
In John 3, Jesus is talking about baptism. I mean, literally immediately after that passage, what is he doing? Getting baptized by John and then baptizing others.
@@ogmakefirefiregood 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out.
Which part am I supposed to disagree with?
It's sad, but interesting that pretty much all one needs to do to clear up most of the "disagreement" within Christianity is to simply read the Bible. The whole Bible. In context.
Plenty of people "simply read the Bible. The whole Bible. In context." And still disagree. A teaching authority is needed and it certainly isn't his holiness Jeff Durbin.
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No, it takes more then just reading the bible. If that were the case, we would not have all these different false protestant religions popping up.
@@dman7668 Read my comment again.
"For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
"You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
"He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and every one that does he prunes* so that it bears more fruit... Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned"
That’s what every reformed baptist, free will baptist, fundamentalist baptist, southern baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Anglican, non denominational, 7th day Adventist, Jehova’s witness, Unitarian, Pentecostal, Methodist, Mennonite, Amish, Assemblies of God, church of Christ, Nazarene, etc says. Just read your Bible in context and you’ll agree with me.
Ok so if I’m hearing this correctly, when Paul says we are justified by faith apart from works of the law he MEANS, we are justified by faith ALONE. But when James says we are justified by works and NOT by faith alone he MEANS, we ARE justified by faith ALONE but our faith is VINDICATED by works that are a RESULT of our faith.
So, a three step process to get the scriptures to line up with your theology-
Step 1: Ignore Peters warning about twisting Paul’s writings
Step 2: add words to Pauls text to make it agree with you
Step 3: change/and/or redefine the words of James text that disagree with you.
Voila! The Bible teaches “Sola Fide”
What a sweet system! Obviously just reading the Bible won’t get you to that conclusion but if you follow this easy process it’s a guarantee:)
When you lay it out like that you really have to do mental gymnastics to get to that conclusion. I've never understood how James saying you are not saved by faith alone actually means you are saved by faith alone.
Jeff, when you say that James is wisdom literature, do you mean it's not an actual letter from James himself? Or do you call it wisdom literature because of what James teaches in it?
I always get excited about these videos until that constant music loop in the background makes me want to take my phone a ram it into the wall
Not sure I agree with your comment about non-denominationals. Seems like a sweeping generalization. There could many reasons a mature Christian who knows what they believe may choose to not to identify with a denomination, other than simply a born-again Christian.
Agreed. He talks about generalization and then tries to generalize all non denominational people
How do you decide what is inspired revelation? How do you decide what books belong in your bible? Is the table of contents inspired scripture?
This is great!
This guy won’t debate Jimmy Akin from Catholic Answers. You know he is wrong because he talks about Roman Catholic. No such thing as a Roman Catholic. It’s the Catholic Church. Roman is a rite.
@@MagnumLapua338 I don't want to speak for Jeff Durbin but if the debate topic is about Pope Francis, I'm almost certain he'll be happy to debate. Debate topic: Is Pope Francis a Roman Catholic?
Yeah, I know it's like asking "is the Pope Catholic?". Can someone who is a Marxist and a communist be a Pope?
@@totobermundo have you read the CCC? Jeff Durban hasn’t and he won’t debate Jimmy Akin on anything Catholic. If you and Jeff read the CCC then you both would realize how wrong your are. There is no such thing as Roman Catholic. So there is no pope for the Roman Catholic Church. Roman is a rite. The pope is for the Catholic Church.
Science has proven Jesus started the universal church.
@@MagnumLapua338 Yeah, sure. Who cares who won debates. Debate winners are subjective. Still the question is, can Marxist and a communist be a pope?
Thanks P. Jeff this gives a lot of clarity. Have been in this argument before with the RCC .
Do you have more info about the beginning where you were talking about the problem with non denominational Christians? I identify as nondenominational because I do not see the reason to have a divide in beliefs or the nuances with each of the churches . In my perspective, if we are following the Bible, why do we also need a label called “Baptist” or “Methodist,” etc.? What’s the point in categorizing in your perspective?
'non denominational' is a category.
There is no point. The first established church was the Roman Catholic Church and then orthodox. Reformation led by Luther was the reason why there is division. After that came the other denominations, the early apostles are the fathers of the church while Luther of Protestantism or for example Helen G White the founder of Seventh day Adventist. So apostles who actually know god vs man made religions.
@@_BillyMandalayIt's really not it's just simply bible believing christians
The White Horse Inn podcast did an entire episode on justification by faith alone in the church fathers.
I like how protestants just change things whenever they want to fit their own interpretation.
Where?
The issue is Roman Catholics put the church before God's Word, were we put God's Word before the Church
The church is Gods word. Upon this rock I will build my church. If you ever attended Latin traditional mass you would understand that it is based on the Gospel.
The Church has God's word. Jesus established a Church to teach God's word, both orally and written. The Bible is the Catholic Church's written word of God that they put together to teach alongside with the oral tradition of the apostles. The Church teaches God's word without any error or contradiction.
Jesus established His Church. He Never (as we can read in the Gospels) ordered any of the Apostles to write any books to add to the existing Sacred Scriptures aka the Old Testament, BUT He did order them to build His Church, to preach & to Baptize, to forgive or retain sins, etc. And, it was the Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, who wrote the Gospels & the Epistles of the New Testament and the Church who determined which of all the writings would be added as the New Testament, and then the Church who painstakingly preserved the entire Bible down to the centuries until the invention of the printing press made that job much easier and so affordable everyone can now afford to have one in their own homes - so that you & I can read it. But woe to us if we back hand the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, who gave us such a spectacular gift!
It is well spoken! Thank you for this excerpt!🙏📖
The people he quoted were bishops of the Catholic Church..which proves that one has to be in the Catholic Church..and not by faith alone or sola scriptural. Jesus said that the True Church was himself ..his body and what you do to the church body you do to Jesus..including separating from his Church body..that's the teaching he revealed to Paul
Reading through the comments makes me incredibly sad. Jesus prayed that we may all be ONE. SO many nonCatholics seem so hateful towards anyone who doesn’t agree 100 % with their 500 years (or less) traditions started in the 16th century. Most Protestants are very ignorant or absolutely dismissive of the complete 2000 years of Christian history. When and how did Christianity begin? My understanding is that a Jewish man named Jesus, in the year approximately 30 A.D., proclaimed Himself to be the long awaited Jewish Messiah, gathered around him 12 disciples He designated as His “inner group” of Apostles who believed He was the Messiah and were sent into all the world by Jesus to bare witness, baptize, proclaim the Good News and establish Jesus’s ONE Church. All this is recorded in the 73 inspired and inerrant Christian Scriptures canonized and written by the Church during the first and second centuries of that same ONE Church. Lots of heresies along the way. Lots of separating from Jesus’s ONE Body, the Church, along the way because this group or that group or that individual man or woman just positively KNEW they knew what the Apostles taught and what the Scriptures recorded was “off”, starting from almost day one. Still going on. Split after split after split. The so called “reformation” in the 16th century is proof beyond any doubt that continues to be heartbreaking. Was this “reformation” God’s will? Is all the discord within the Body of Christ’s Body today God’s will? I only know that I love Jesus with all my heart and I strive for the charity to love my neighbors as my self. And by God’s grace, I strive to obey and follow Jesus in His ONE Church, established through His Apostles, that the Scriptures proclaim as the One, Holy, Catholic, and APOSTOLIC Church.
Amen. I was Catholic for 18 years. I got saved, dove into scripture, and it was so blatantly clear that Catholic doctrine contradicts scripture. I had no choice but to leave. Glory to God.
Praise God.
In John 8:36 Jesus makes a wonderful statement of victory. He says, “So if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed.”
I’m a former Roman Catholic too🙌🙌🙌❤️❤️
I was Protestant for 19 years until I found it to be heretical. Now I live in the Truth with is Catholicism
Same here! Still trying to save my parents from the heresy of Roman catholicism. Videos like this are a great help! Praise God for shining a light on the truth - His Word!
@@mikemuscat9615 your parents are already saved. Are you denying the baptism in the name of the triune God: Father, Son&Holy Ghost?
Calvinists gonna Calvinist. The Catholic church is the one true holy and apostolic church. Repent of your heresies
Take your own advice
LOL, our heresies? What about your cloned pantheon god system and praying to the saints for blessings? Or the old pagan practice of theopagy? Yeah, that is your Eucharist.
@@seanpermann5570 thank you doing the thing haha
Nobody denies that initial justification is totally a free gift of God's abundant grace. It's not how we start a race that matters but rather how we finish it. We will be tested and proven worthy of the kingdom of God. If just making a decision for Christ is enough for salvation, then there is really no difference between a believer and an atheist.
St Paul said to Timothy "if you command these things, you will save both yourself and your hearers." The elect still have to work out their salvation with fear and trembling for God is at work in them to will and to do for his good pleasure; and that's the undeniable word of God.
When we love God we will obey his commands. That is what is wrapped up in the word faith. When we put our trust in God we love Him and obey Him, that's how we end up doing good, the Holy Spirit is allowed to move in us and transform us to be like Christ.
@@inchristalone25 All that is very nice in theory or rather how things ought to be, but unfortunately, things are different in practice. We have a sinful nature and we ought to make every effort to overcome it with the help and power of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not going to automatically overcome Satan and sin for you. You have to personally apply the victory of the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ over sin and the devil in your daily battle with evil. Do not be deceived the gospel is full of red lights, warnings and instructions of how to overcome sin which overwise will lead to condemnation and death; for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. Therefore, work out your salvation with fear and trembling for God is at work in you both to will and to do for his good pleasure.
Saved by grace through faith working itself out through love
You think you know it all when it comes to the Catholic faith. I dare you to debate Catholic apologists Trent Horn or Scott Hahn and let's see how far you'll go.
I'll do it. Heresy is heresy lies are lies. Bring it on. I'll shut them down
@@YAHWEH-SAVES777do it, challenge them. Better yet, challenge any former Evangelical who are now Catholic apologists. That would be fun.
@@YAHWEH-SAVES777😂😂😂😂 please do! Embarrass yourself
He would go very far!!
Great video. Sola scriptura!
There really is no defense or justification for the Roman Catholic Church. The only way for the Roman Catholic Church to stand is to keep Scripture and the Gospels buried under the fallible foundation of its false gospel perpetuated by its self exalting papacy and the ungodly magesterium.
One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church ,the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it !
It's the bride of Christ !
Romans 4:8“Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”
Jeff loves adding "alone" in the Bible where it doesn't exist.
To be deep in Scripture is to cease to be Roman Catholic
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Which is why there are no bibles in a Catholic church. They don't want you learning for yourself. The vatican says that only THEY can properly interpret the Bible. It is a false religion being taught by a false teacher. Be careful who you listen to.
Very true. John Chrysostom is a great example!
And to cease to believe in sola scriptura
@@thefuckinglindoI think you misread the comment and mistakenly made an exceedingly foolish comment
Is there a way to set an debate between Jeff and a well versed Catholic?
I would love that, not just a" reaction" video.
Amen brother Jeff, thanks for this ✌️
I’ve been waiting for this one. Thank you! Someone please send this to Tim so he can respond lol
Jeff won’t debate Jimmy Akin from Catholic Answers. You know he is wrong because he talks about Roman Catholic. No such thing as a Roman Catholic. It’s the Catholic Church. Roman
is a rite.
@@MagnumLapua338This is a silly argument for 3 reasons:
1. The seat of your patriach, which all of the rites of the Roman churches submit to, is in Rome.
2. There's no such thing as a "Roman Rite". It's called the Latin Rite. Nobody is calling it the "Latin Catholic Church".
3. "Catholic" means universal. The principle of exclusion and the medieval understanding of extra ecclesiam by anathematizing the Greeks is in opposition to every semblance to the word "catholic". The faith was handed down once and for all by the Apostles, and thus also the parameters of the faith. When one restricts the faith by adding anathema upon doctrines which aren't deviations from the Faith, or by adding prerequisites to be considered part of the Faith, including the requirement of believing the bodily assumption of Mary, that person can hardly claim the sole title of "catholic".
@@corsairplays6413 Have you read the CCC? If so you missed the name of the Church. Its the Catholic Church. Roman Rite is the Novus Ordo. Glad that you admit the apostolic succession of the Catholic church. Just because people are fallible and they do not hold true to the meaning of a word doesn't mean the meaning of the word changes. The Catholic Church made up of 24 churches is the universal church started by Christ proven by science.
@@MagnumLapua338 My friend, you have barely any idea what you're talking about, or you've been catechised poorly. The Novus Ordo is an entirely new rite that was created at Vatican II, the Latin rite came about in the 3rd century. Just because you have a patriarchate doesn't mean that the practice of apostolic succession through the so-called sacrament of holy orders dates back to the Apostles. We could go into detail about how there were multiple bishops in each city during the time of Paul, how the office of episcopos (bishop) and presbyteros (elder) are synonymous in the NT, the laying of hands as meant for all converts, etc etc.
Your last two sentences seem contradictory. If the Roman church is both "catholic" and "infallible", then for what reason did it anathematize the Greeks? Because they departed from the See of Rome? That's absurdity. The idea of a supreme bishop that must be submitted to is ahistoric and demonstrably so from the writings of the Church Fathers, despite the eisegesis of Rome. It's not "proven by science". Stop trolling.
@@corsairplays6413 Clearly you have not read the CCC. You must not understand words have meanings.
Such a solid video. Very insightful. I know a lot of new Christians see the supposed “contradiction” in Romans and James but there is no contradiction. Glory to God alone
Amen.
James does contradict the protestant doctrine of sola fide. There are literally no mental gymnastics you can do that establishes that James buys into justification by faith alone. He flat out rejects this idea in James 2:24.
There’s no contradiction in Romans and James because Romans doesn’t teach the Protestant doctrine of sola fide.
“God will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.” Romans 2:6-8
@@CurtosiusMaximus828 The thing is are you always acting good at all times? Do you always obey truth?
If you do not rely solely on Christs Work for you on the cross, but on your own good works for salvation, aren`t you saying then that Christs work on the Cross is not sufficient for you to save you from the eternal punishment for your sins (hell)?
Blessings to you.
@@Repent_and_believe_the_gospel
The idea of pitting good works (works of love) against the sufficiency of the cross is a Protestant philosophical dilemma, it’s not one found in scripture or tradition.
Catholic theology condemns the idea that a person can work their way to heaven. Faith, Hope and Charity (charity being works of love) are necessary for salvation. And according to Saint Paul, “I can have all faith as to move mountains, but if I have not charity, I am nothing”.
What we teach is that it is the Holy Spirit, not us in and of ourselves, that works through us (Philippians 2:13) and by our cooperation with grace unto those goods works, we receive the merits attained to us through those good works. This is what Protestants constantly strawman by accusing us of teaching a “works based salvation” which the council of Trent explicitly condemns. The problem is Protestants usually learn “Catholic theology” from other Protestants who learned it from other Protestants and so on. And that’s why Protestants usually know nothing about Catholic theology.
Again, what we believe is 100% biblical. We are saved by grace which leads to faith working through love. Not faith ALONE.
Would have liked to have heard the rest of Mr. Staple’s comments.
Now I understand why they taught us logic at my Catholic school. If you were to understand logic you would find all the fallacies in his rhetoric. Teaching fallacies is a serious sin Jeff, God rewards greatly those who bring one of his lost sheep back to the Truth. Would you not think that He would equally despise false narratives about His Sacred Word?
The Eastern Catholic Church allows married men to become priests while still observing the old traditions and teachings. They are very aligned with REASON. So if you want to continue to preach the Word because you love Jesus more than anyone or anything, you ought to look into the Eastern Catholics. Let the Lord's Will be done onto you and not yours. Our biggest struggle is between our ego and God's Will
The true church is founded on God’s word and has its unity in Christ. The catholic claim that their teachings go back to the apostles is easily refuted with a small amount of reading of the church fathers themselves or the scholarship about them. It takes prayer, going back to the original sources, and resolve to ignore the mottos and fluff of the catholic claims.
@@globuloz5191 In this affair, the Church is a servant and not a mistress; a depositary and not a judge. She exercises the office of a minister, not of a magistrate, ministerium non magisterium. She delivers a testimony, not a judicial sentence. She discerns the canon of the Scriptures, she does not make it; she has recognised their authenticity, she has not given it. And as the men of Sichem believed in Jesus Christ by means of the impure but penitent woman who called them to him, we say to the Church: "Now we believe, not because of thy saying; for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world."
We have believed, then, through her means, not on her account. We found her on her knees; she showed us her Master; we recognised him, and we knelt down along with her. Were I to mingle in the rear of an imperial army, and should I ask those around me to show me their prince, they would do with respect to him, for me, what the Church has done with regard to the Scriptures. They would not call their regiment the ecumenical army; they would not say that the emperor has no authority but what is derived from its testimony. The authority of the Scriptures is not founded, then, on the authority of the Church: it is the Church that is founded on the authority of the Scriptures.
@@globuloz5191 Protestants do need to understand things about the church fathers, and the councils which developed the biblical canon, but we are referring to Catholic doctrines that are not in alignment with scripture.
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only from 30 to 1500, huh...
@inchristalone25 which scriptures? The ones Protestants removed? Circular logic...
@@anthonyoer4778 what scriptures did Protestants remove that back up these doctrines?
I would enjoy a debate with Jay Dyer. I’m sure others would as well.
Jay Dyer is not at the same level as a Jeff Durban or Tim Staples. Btw, what is his current theology?
Hey Jeff, can you make a video on Methodist next time??
Would love to hear your thoughts!
Buckle up!
Would like to see a debate with guys like Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin or William Albrecht
He wont debate Trent Horn in person either because Trent Horn already stumped Jeffs mentor Dr. White. Dr white knows it and turned off all the comments on his channel because people kept asking him about his inability to answer the questions Trent brought up and if he will debate Trent again. Real cult behavior to cut off free speech.
They won't. Calvinists are even further from the truth than most.
watched the whole video, what a headache listening to this guy specially when he tried wigging his way out of James 2.
This was goo-ood!
14:45 please, go on for days. I'd like to hear it all. The truth will set us free.
Pope Durbin pontificates again. How can that beard be wrong?
Jeff, you should debate IdolKiller, Sam Shamoun and Trent Horn when you get a chance.
He should debate the dimond brothers and it’s a shame he can’t speak Spanish so he can debate Luis toro.
So many (especially Catholics) seem to think that Jeff should debate EVERYBODY else. But you'll notice, not Catholics are weighing in and correcting Jeff. Interesting...
James White is debating Trent Horn this winter
@@jessebryant9233 my suggestion for those particular folks for debates is because all three have been recently going out of their way to attack Reformed Theology. Idolkiller in particular has growing support because of his ex Calvinist roots (same with Sam)
I've gotta disagree about Shamoun. The man's behavior over the last few years cost him his dialogue privileges. There's no reason to believe that he'll debate in good faith based on his character assassination of Dr White, the Anthony Rogers debate fiasco, and the way he's treated all the fledgling Protestants who go to his channel. You don't reward behavior like that with a debate.
They also need to ask who the audience Paul and James were writing to and why they were writing to them
Pope Durbin - so glad you have received the gift to infallibly interpret Scripture!!
Oh so the Jews had a pope to interpret Old Testament scripture come on now. Find one mention of that in the Bible
Well said Jeff and exegeted truthfully. Man always tries to justify themselves but it is God who gives justice, including justifying us through faith in Him, thus we are saved unto (to then do) good works in accordance with His Will. All of it by God for God that we may live with and for Him eternally- amazing Grace. All Glory be to Him! The One true living God and Him whom He sent Jesus the Messiah.
Non denominational denominations are afraid to be called baptists 😂. That’s so true. But why is that?
I would love to see a debate on this!
You may find many many debates on these things on TH-cam. James White has debated dozens of Catholics on almost, if not all, of their extra doctrines.
What many Catholics say when referencing Martin Luther is that he was an heretical priest all because he was using scripture to point out some of the wrong practices of the RCC. He did not want to leave the Catholic church to start his own "religion". His desire was for the Catholic church to turn back towards the Bible. The prideful RCC was not having any of that (seems to be some parallels to the Pharisees being threatened by the truth that Jesus was bringing). The corruption that took place at the highest levels of the RCC during the middle ages should also do away with their notion of apostolic succession (even though for me, the Bible resolves this issue in that there were no other Apostles of Jesus Christ called after Paul and John was the last one to die. There is no evidence that Apostleship was transferable).
"you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth"
1 Timothy 3:15
Amen!
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Yes. True quotation. The church of the living God. That's definitely not apostate, evil Roman Catholicism if you hoped it to be understood that way.
@@luboshcamber1992 what other Church, besides the Catholic Church, also existed in the 1st Century which could have been what the author was referring to here in 1 Timothy 3:15?
According to the whole chapter of 1 Timothy 3, this Church would have to, at the very least, consider itself to be the pillar and foundation of Truth And this Church would have to have Bishops and Deacons - at the very least - in its hierarchy.
Please share your opinion based on your knowledge, what Church, still in existence today, meets this criteria of 1 Timothy 3 which can historically be found to exist in the 1st Century?
@luboshcamber1992 well, I don't think the true Church of the Living God adheres to the unbiblical man-made doctrine of sola scriptura if that's what you think the true Church is
Found this video very misleading
Does anyone know if Jeff Durbin has ever debated Trent Horn?
Hey jeff, since you insisted that I should listen to the bible instead of leaders of denominational group, are you saying that supposed am not aware of catholic doctrines or reformed doctrines, and If I read the bible for myself I would understand the bible on my own, even if my interpretation contradicts both the catholic and reformed doctrines? Because my standard is the bible (my interpretation of it) so if Jeff durbin disagrees with me, I have to follow the bible??? 🤦♂️
They shoot themselves in the foot when they reject infallibility. Basically means that nobody ought to listen to their interpretation and it’s free to agree with the Catholic Church or even reject the inspiration of Scripture
Pastor Jeff doesn’t disappoint, God truly blessed this man with the gift of wisdom to better build the body. Glory to the most high!
gave him the gift of gab!
I am a Catholic and i love pastor Jeff. Battle of egos in Christianity and it affects both Catholics and Christians. Jesus is the way and our traditions in many countries will always vary. Our relationship with our LORD is personal. Pastor Jeff or the Pope in Rome won't grant us salvation Jesus will.
@@gman_78 if I have 2 min to live and I want to be saved how would you go about bringing me to salvation?
@@Diego-uthamanburnttheOGs He'd dump some water over your head and say now you're baptized ! lol
@@jsharp9735 hit me with a super soaker full of “holy water”