How Regional Differences Changed The World Ends with You
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
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Oh look! It's that comment with corrections!
1. I mistakenly refer to Neku as antisocial when I should have said asocial.
2. The CAT mural actually had BOTH of its eyes changed. Additionally, the Brainy Cat pin in Final Remix retains the Japanese design in all regions.
And here i thought you only cared about the western localization. And all for it.
Not the original Japanese which you need help with tbh.
But thanks for this nonetheless.
Even with this corrections.
It still sucks we can't play the final remix in Japanese...
I just want to say something, in the spanish translation after we fight Beat in week 2 he says "Buy a forest and get lost in it", which is probably my favourite translation in the whole spanish version
I laughed wayyy to hard at that
The highlight of this video is unironically everyone moving from Fandom to a proper wiki
The idea of the Composer choosing who to become an angel is actually very interesting!
@@kyoukaorientalritualistic Makes the ending in Neo more interesting
the NEO translation discourse will hit like CRACK
in frets own words
"And I oop"
beat saying "I finna have seconds" makes my day every time I hear it
@@WVisionLJ bro got too much of a kick out of that canned air
the smooth taste of [[neo]]
> "While over here, I can get sent coasters of Coco for my birthday solely in an attempt be an assault on my mental health."
Man, who would commit such a *heinous* act!
No one would ever do that! No one except you is that needlessly psychopathic.
@@BlackJupiterjust think of it as a perk of our friendship 💙
cocoaster
One of the really interesting things about localising Japanese media to the West is how the cultures gradually become more familiar over time. For instance, certain words are no longer translated because the audience has probably heard them before. The first English dub of Cowboy Bebop altered the word "otaku" to "smelly nerd" because in the 90s most English speakers hadn't heard the term, but later dubs have kept the original, since it's pretty well known among anime fans now. On a related note, "senpai" and "kouhai" are usually left untranslated, since many English-speaking fans of anime will have heard of them, and there really IS no good English translation. They refer to a social reality that simply doesn't exist in the West, and as such there isn't anything in our cultures that you can really compare it to.
the japanese textbook i used in high school was published in the late 90s before white people started eating tofu, and i can tell you this because whenever it mentioned tofu it had to explain in brackets that tofu was "soy bean curd"
The double fakeout on going to talk about Joshua cracked me up too much lmao
I always thought the name was change because of the Louis Armstrong song “What a Wonderful World” but the movie makes sense
I kinda like the duality between the names. “Its a Wonderful Life” and “The World Ends With You” is rlly cool
Their official account was on deviantart? that's hilarious
Edit: I just checked out their page and it’s actually pretty cool! The artwork is such a core appeal of the game.
Yeah I learned about it recently too. Apparently it was used to for a contest for fans to submit concept art where the winners got free copies of the game
I wonder where the winners are now
A TWEWY video with a normal comment section with normal people? What's next? A third TWEWY game within the next 5 years?
Haha, if only!
If…
IF ONLY, PLEASE SERIOUSLY-
Awesome that you talked about the Italian localization too. I agree, it definitely needed to be mentioned in the end credits. Bellissimo video!
"Transformation is exclusive to the international version"
Dude they missed out
Not only transformation. Deja-vu, emptiness and one star alongside transformation are like the top 5 songs in the game
Uh... What? "Emptiness and..." *is* included in the Subarashiki Konosekai soundtrack...it's just a secret/bonus track at the end ("Track 35", and not labeled beyond that.)
Great video! One of my favorite games on the DS. I remember playing this game a bit when it first came out in Japanese and eagerly awaited in English. Played it and loved every second.
One very MINOR thing that I noticed when I went from Japanese to English was that Neku used to say 集中する instead of Focus. Now the translation is quite correct since it's conveying the correct message but I always thought it was interesting they used the word "focus" instead of "concentrate" or "Gotta concentrate" since concentrating takes more mental skills to carry out.
The point I am trying to make is that it truly amazes me how a different language can have a totally different meaning in a single one word, you could say we truly live in a wonderful world.
Yeah, is really funny how a Title Drop is very iconic, subarashiki kono sekai wants to show a little of the society of its time.
The location maintains that aspect, is an example of their great work
but never tell that to controversial twitter users 🦈
Youre pissing my pants, i finished compiling all of the DS in-battle quotes for someone who is comparing each individual line of text in japanese vs english of this game literally yesterday, the timing is incredibly funny
Smh can’t believe twewy is woke
woke up leave leave their hesitation
oh hey, its that guy who lets me shitpost in their discord server
Perfectly normal comment
~Perfectly normal person
Happy birthday TWEWY!!
I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO HERE STAY AWAY AT THE END
what I find funny with the different names is, that "the world ends with you" is the more positive message in the game, while "it's a wonderful world" is the more foreboding defeatist one.
hearing about the osts and knowing that some of my favorites were jp only makes me feel blessed that my first completion of the game was solo remix, which included both
Great stuff, glad you tackled the localization issues to an extent, especially with Neku and Beat.
the concept of localisation vs translation is so fascinating to me and i love twewy sm,, this is like the perfect video for me 💖💖💖
the localization gave me covid again
Ohhhh composers were never said to not be angels in the first game?
Thats pretty funny as a couple of years ago right before neo twewy came out I theorized on the reddit that joshua was secretly meant too be an angel level character and was just keeping a lower rank. Got into a long argument about it too. I thought my theory got confirmed by neo twewy but thought it was weird hazuki was also that strong but i guess it makes sense now
7:40 rarely if ever do you see video assets changed like this, for the same reason lip flaps aren't altered. If you make any changes, it means including both versions in their entirety for both audio tracks. For streaming that doubles your hosting server space needs, and when it comes time to do the home video release, that simply wont* fit one bluray disc. The other option is release both "Cuts" separately. Discotek has done this for many kid's shows, releasing one set each for Japanese and English language versions. Or take Director Cuts of movies. Hollywood movies will sometimes go through the effort of programming the bluray splice in International credits and on screen text, so it is possible, but and extra expense that's time consuming and error prone.
That said, "Dead Dead Demon's Dededede Destruction" is currently broadcasting with two versions up for streaming, with much of the on-screen text edited for the english language dialogue track. This seems to be an initiative from the Japanese production side (TV Tokyo). They also directly commissioned a studio to record the english dub, rather than leave it up to a licensor such as Crunchyroll.
Very interesting!
Never knew the US and JP versions each had their own selection of songs!
Had a chance to meet the Jp VA for Neku last week but Bandai said they would only sign Blue Lock merch *sobs*
HELL YEAH THE WIKI IS MOVING OFF FANDOM !! Sorry, I heard you say it and was delighted, that's fantastic news !
YOU USED STAY AWAY AT THE END
BASED
I am very glad a normal person looked at TWEWY's localization and changed. It was so annoying when NEO was out and the debates about the translation were anything but. Really good video and I enjoyed seeing the differences between JP and ENG TWEWY
I always love your videos, they are always so well put together and I love your style of comedy. Keep up the good work!
The Death March thing still keeps me up at night tho lol
7:40 "let me know if any other animes changes texts for locatlization"
what you call that? **gestures in the general directions of 4kids**
Hot take but I actually genuinely love Coco 🥰
11:18 they should have taken a page from Pokémon’s Gen 4 playbook and made the foreigner French
Wait now I’m a little lost or my mind hasn’t clicked yet
So you’re saying Joshua might wanted Neku to be a angel while also being composer
And there a chance that Joshua was being suicidal?🤔😣
Another thing about Coco is that (AFAIK) deliberately talking in a high-pitched, immature fashion in order to sound younger and more attractive is somewhat common among Japanese women. We don't really do that over here, so it might just be a case of Western audiences having a lower tolerance for her kind of behaviour, while Japanese fans find it more endearing.
Really glad I'm old guard enough to be completely unaware of localization drama in this fandom... Honestly my favorite thing about the localization is the use of "meme." Oh how none of us could have seen that word becoming what it is today.
*And what do you mean Uzuki wasn't responsible for [spoiler]???*
After being the KH community. I’m happy that TWEWY community is small. Even if it means that the games aren’t popular
I love TWEWY. Ever since Dream Drop Distance came out I had to get my hands on it and got it a few months after. I wasn't there before Kingdom Hearts, but damn this game means a lot to me. Genuinely happy KH had TWEWY characters, because if it didn't I wouldn't have found one of my favourite games ever. I didn't know how much it was changed, but God I love what we got. It actually saved my life. If it wasn't for this game I'd probably not be the same person, hell might not even be around.
So much stuff about localization starts off super aggressive right off the bat so I really appreciated this video's tone. I remember complaints about NEO retconning some of the angel lore in regards to Joshua, mainly with his age, I wonder if that was actually a result of the errors in the ENG reports. I definitely prefer translation over localization, but when it's not 4Kids tier it can be good. I like TWEWY's overall style for it but in general I do prefer just having to learn or infer cultural context, and I've read things from cultures far more alien to me than modern day Japan.
If I'm not mistaken, the original game in DS didn't get translated beyond english and japanese, right?
That makes me wonder what curious things may have happend in another languages translations for the game on the switch.
In Spain, the term "selfie" didn't exist until... 2010? Or similar. Yet, as it's quite common now, for the switch version (who got a Spanish translation), has the term appearing on the game. That's something that wouldn't have happened in the original.
So in that regard, the tone and semantics of different translations not only differ because of culture, but because 10 years have passed between the english localisation and other languages'
Omg I freaking love the world ends with you
GOATed translation.
I also appreciate noting the sub as its own localization. When you think about the demands/limitations on subtitles it's less direct than you might think.
Which is different again from the english dub, that has its own goals, including preserving the feeling of playing the game for the first time with these localizations.
Can't believe you did not talk about the gameplay changes. The postgame threads in international version are absolute horseshit, requiring Bravery that you will never achieve outside of grinding. It's so stupid that when you find Beat's backpack in postgame, he will likely be unable to re-equip it due to how grossly inflated the requirement is.
In Japanese? 260 (on the Maid Costume), that's it. Perfectly achievable if you aim for 100%; they still follow the rule of "how much guts would you need to wear this" rather than some weird game reason of "lol postgame equipment needs high requirements".
(you can find the relevant numbers on the TCRF wiki)
Emptiness and mentioned yay
Nice video
Why are many of your favorite Wikis performing a fork?
Because Fandom can go fork itself!
But seriously fandom is horrible and I hope yet more wikis flee from it as soon as possible.
It's been a while since I played TWEWY, can someone who has the info fresh in their mind explain Joshua's exact situation and what the change is compared to japanese? I remember the broad strokes but definitely not the details
This is a normal comment.
Translated.
What is the ending song?, i can't find it
NVM found it, it was Stay Away
new vid 😲😲
Interesting
Wait, there are people who hate TWEWY'S localisation? I never imagined anyone would have particularly strong opinions about the topic. Obviously, you're going to have to do a lot of creative reinterpretation with a game like TWEWY - not only is translating from Japanese to English difficult to begin with (attempting anything even resembling a literal translation is going to produce wooden dialogue), TWEWY also heavily involves niche Tokyo subcultures and local Shibuya culture, myths, legends etc. Honestly, I'm astonished it was even localised to begin with - plenty of games never leave Japan, after all.
People got really mad at Neo's localization in specific, though at the end of the day it was mainly a "I can't believe the translators turned the game woke" thing due to one or two lines.
People didn't actually have strong feelings on TWEWY's translation, it was just another victim of the culture war lol.
Since I grew up with basically only translations I have quite the dislike for any kind of localisation. And no, I don't mean the kind where you leave out or add a word, but when you change the meaning of things. That's what I hate. Everything else is okay to go.
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And here i thought you only cared about the western localization. And all for it.
Not the original Japanese which you need help with tbh.
But thanks for this nonetheless.
Anyone defending bad localization is not a normal person. Persona 3-5 is how you handle localization correctly. Oh the reality is Neo flopped because of the horrible localization. The first game still kept the intent Neo did not. It was neat to include the Italian localization.
>Persona 3-5 is how you handle localization correctly
Lol
Lmao
Honestly, you can tear into Persona 3-5 for localization changes that’s reminiscent of NEO as well.
@@thebigchungus4515 nope, maybe the Remake and one aspect of Royal, but P3-5 localization is well done. Square is a mess that keeps losing money due to altering things when they shouldn’t and not listening to common sense (the truth). You can’t spin that. Take care.
@@ironrex6979So I’m guessing you’re also aware of how the localization for P4 was done in 2 months crunch time and how that had an effect on how Teddie was viewed by overseas audiences (controversial to say the least), which then got carried over into subsequent rereleases and spin-offs? To the point that people like to label him as a pedophile and sex offender instead of the mental equivalent of a child that’s influenced by the people/environments around him and doesn’t understand a lot of what he’s hearing (i.e. scoring)?
Happy anniversary to one of my NEW favourite RPG franchises I have played this year, thank you TWEWY and NEO you have made me some GREAT memories this YEAR! (And also, awesome video BlackJupiter covering a MASSIVE topic for this WONDERFUL WORLD and I'll see ya next time buddy!) ;3