Meta territory: seeing if a digital algorithm can accurately replicate a wildly popular optical analog circuit that completely failed to accurately replicate a mechanical rotary speaker.
The true meta is that the rotary speaker was an attempt to replicate the space and depth of a pipe organ by way of the Doppler effect, which took on a life of its own upon missing that mark.
Contrary to popular belief, the uni-vibe was actually an attempt to replicate the natural modulation caused by the fluctuating altitude and motion of the earth's ionosphere, heard on powerful middle-wave Russian propaganda radio broadcasts reaching Japan in the 60s. From the original designer himself: th-cam.com/video/o1WGjQtU3CU/w-d-xo.html
have you ever thought about doing a series recreating famous pedal boards from history, like what jimi had on the floor at Woodstock or what Gilmour used at Knebworth.
As always! Fridays, "Oh I'll just get started on that job that needs doing...." "'That Pedal Show just uploaded a video'" Well, that's me for the next hour :)))
Has any thought been given to bringing the Strymon people onboard for shows like this? I know it takes a while to "get right" with really complex effects like the Mobius. Lots of rubbing and adjusting and learning to get it just as one likes. If you are reading the instructions off of a stack of stapled-together sheets you aren't taking the time (or don't have the time) to get things optimized, maybe? A person who works with/for Strymon might be able to tweek and adjust quickly and effectively. If Daniel had owned at Mobius for 40 years, he might love it like he loves his Electric Mistress?
That's not really a good advertisement for the Strymon Mobius. "Hey, it's great, you just need to get the design, production, and manufacturing team from Strymon to come and stay at your place for a couple weeks or so and then, after 40 years of your own tinkering, you'll never leave home without it! In fact, you'll never leave home because by then you'll be so old you won't be able to!"
Matt Gilbert that's not what he's saying at all. Involved units like the Mobius and H9 DO take time to get to know and there's nothing wrong with that. And they're still waaaayyy easier than the old rack stuff (Eventides, PCM, TC 2290 etc). Having someone from Strymon there to explain the design process and what goes behind the DSP programming would be awesome.
@@thesphericalguy9018 It kind of is what he's saying, mate. If you need to spend that much time and effort on this thing *and* bring in the people who designed it then, inevitably, it will subtract from the time spent playing. Time is a finite resource. Most adult players have work, family, and financial commitments. They are already time-poor. Unless they want to make this one thing (learning to use hi-tech digital "mega" effects their one, main hobby), it seems ill-advised.
@@mattgilbert7347 I agree there are better options for bedroom players who have limited time to spend tweaking, or people who prefer working with simpler stuff. But whether you like it or not 1 hour is not enough to cover a pro level multi fx unit with 12 distinct engines. Just because you don't want to put the time into units like these doesn't mean there's not a market for them. On the contrary they are extremely popular with pros and hobbyists alike. Like I said, try working with proper rack gear and then tell me this is "complicated".
Out of the box, it should sound just like some classic pedals, and then have tweaking available for people who want to create some new sounds. It shouldn't need loads of time invested into it, to make it sound like your favourite Chorus / Flange / Phase sounds.
That Pedal Show I second that. Ambient guitar (whilst not a unified style) is definitely a distinct playing style and approach these days. So any videos that explore textural sounds would be great. I have in the back of my mind that there was an early 2000s gritty British crime show that had ambient, bit crushed guitar in its soundtrack. Can't remember the name of the show but it had really cool music.
You guys need to do a rack episode. I started playing in the 90s after racks were gone. It'd be cool to see them side by side with modern and vintage pedals!
Just out of curiosity not trying to start anything at all, but do you feel like we will look back at kempers, axefx, and such with slightly negative feelings the same way people look back at racks of the 80s with "disgust" for lack of a better term?
Thats a tough question. I think the big difference with racks and stuff is they were going for a "modern" (80s) sound, whereas Kempers and stuff are going for a "classic" sound. So as digital technology gets better, people may look back at them like we do at bad special effects in old movies. That is if anyone is still playing guitar thirty years from now...
Ya it's not that rack show . I went through several rack units 25 years ago. Most of that stuff back then did 128 things and none as good as a single pedal
Had the Möbius for a long time and it slowly replaced my flanger, phaser and other pedals. Head to head they were sometimes indistinguishable. Now went back to individuals pedals because you know... guitarists need change :)
I know that Strymon products are great, several of my friends and players I respect swear by their Mobius and Timeline, etc. units.... but is it just me, or in some of these cases in this video, do the pedals that are being compared to the settings in the Mobius just SOUND BETTER than the Mobius does? More clarity, etc
I have a Mobius and a/b the Mobius Vibe setting against a Korg Nuvibe pedal- I can vouch for this, the Mobius vibe is clearly not as good as the Korg (which is an outstanding Vibe). It lacks the throb depth of the Korg- and yes, I know how to adjust the Mobius- s- i.e. the LOW END (throb) should be far left, the Low End function is a filter, to the right gets rid of the low end. Also, the stereo field from my Fulltone Choralflange is a bit wider than the stereo field on the Mobius. So, yes, the Mobius does a good job and has a few advantages over some pedals- but its not the be all-end it all and definitely has some limitations in regards to perfect emulation, at least in some settings. It's quiet and has lots of preset storage, and has full stereo in/out jacks, and a good selection of sounds. The Mobius stereo tremolo is especially nice and I don't think anything beats it, and the rotary is quite good. And the Mobius is STEREO- something a lot of one-effect pedals are not, and it sounds best in stereo, where it really distinguishes itself.And in this video there is no stereo sound--- ! On TH-cam I had a hard time hearing much difference between Mobius and a lot of the one-effect pedals..
Must say, I bought a möbius a few months back after your great demos of it and have never been sorry. I even find the vibe exceptional even though others have said it wasn't great. The flexibility of it sold it for me, so it fits my needs. Would still love a wazza chorus though even though I don't need it lol...thanks guys. Keep up the good work!
Definition of Möbius strip. : a one-sided surface that is constructed from a rectangle by holding one end fixed, rotating the opposite end through 180 degrees, and joining it to the first end.
Seriously I don’t mind these guys but they should’ve done their homework and match the settings from the individual pedals on the Mobius and then save them as presets Before doing the video ....they’re literally reading the manual while doing the comparison demo… More for entertainment value than anything
I think it's fair to conclude that these sounds are somewhere in there, but it'll make you work for it. It'll reward you for your efforts. Tweakers delight!
Flanger: Liked the Mobius better Phaser: Liked the Phase 100 better Rotary: Liked the RotoSpin better Vibe: Liked the Mobius Better Chorus: Really liked both I was expecting a little more from the mobius tbh
Investing hours in learning and programming a monstrous unit like the Mobius (which keeps us from real playing), just to use it for let's say 20 seconds in 3 songs of a 25 song setlist, is a thing only we guitarists do ;-) Anyways, the more I watch of your videos the more I just want to plug directly into the amp and rock it out purely ;-))
I do have to wonder, if you use it that seldom, why even own it? Something like the Mobius seems to me like it's intended for someone who uses different types of modulation a lot. If you only use it for a minute or two out of a gig, get a simple, inexpensive flanger or phaser.
Lol i know im half a decade late but if you take a strip of paper, and twist it once, then tape one end to the other, it can be argued that you have created a one sided object in 3 dimensional space. Of course it has 2 sides (4 if you count the edges, which you should lol). But it can be argued that it only has one. The arguement can hold up (depending on your company) because, you can draw one continuous line down the center of the 'mobius strip' and your line will hit the point where the line was started, and it will cover both the existent 'top' (depending on your perspective) side, as well as, the (theoretically misnomered) 'bottom side' without picking up your writing utensil. Its a cool thing to think about as a child when you still believe math is unimportant lol. Pardon my nerdiness lol
I'm thinking of buying this pedal, and I was concerned about the lack of eq control, specifically on Chorus, but I just downloaded the manual, and on page 8 (under the Mode Section), there is a function that allows one to adjust the brightness of the effect.
RE: the analog vs digital reproductions; it is amazing that the difference can be heard via a You Tube video played through laptop speakers. The Strymon is just so tidy and spot on. However it falls victim to the short comings of digital. Specifically, the top end of the Fq spectrum is lacking detail. Yes it is squeaky clean, but the signal is scrubbed of an infinite amount of harmonic nuances. I think the phasing and flanging effects are likely the best scenario to realize the effects of the digital curse as the effect(s) add and subtract Fq's in a sweeping manner. Truth is the human ear can detect 1 to the (-42) in terms of amplitude and Fq steps. We will need digital sample rates in the order of Ghz to even come close to capturing that sort of detail. Thank you gents for you pedal show for once again for feeding this gear heads brain. Well done !!
Another fantastic video gentlemen! To my ears the Mobius lost every round in this battle. I'm a big Strymon fan, but in my opinion their smaller individual pedals do a much better job at replicating these classic effects. The Mobius would work fine on stage, not so much in the studio.
If you grew up in Los Angeles, you know exactly what a Mobius strip is. They have a moving example of it at the museum of Science and Industry Los Angeles (now California Science Center)... you could push a button and a red arrow would "drive" along this strip.. and come back.. and you could see that it traveled on "both sides." - we loved it. Now I know it was named after a german.
Cool feature on the Mobius is being able to use the tap tempo to set the rate of the any of the modulation machines. Great for fast/slow rotary but also awesome to have for tremolo/vibe/phaser etc instead of turning knobs...
I, for one, am glad your videos are on the lengthy side, because you go into more depth with each pedal with plenty of tones and playing examples on your respective Strats, Teles, PRS and other guitars. Job well done.
Flanger alone is damn close to the beloved Mistress... worth the price of admission (for me) along with any simple chorus. I think the Mobius is a no brainer.
A Barberpole Phaser is an effect with two phasers linked in a way to create the auditory illusion that the phaser is always moving "up" or "down" instead of the back and forth Up/Down rhythm created by a normal phaser. The Line 6 FM4 does this as well. Once I found that sound I became hooked. I've really should pick up a small standalone unit that does this effect, hopefully at very slow speeds, so that I can stop carrying around the huge and heavy FM4. Great show, as always! EDIT: I did a little fresh goggling on phasing gear and apparently the Boss PH-3 has rise and fall barber pole phasing too. I'll have to check it out.
Guys - upload some of your live concerts you guys perform with groups! Want to see how your personal pedal boards work in a live settings. That would be cool to see!
good episode. You guys should do a jeorge tripps feature episode if you can get in touch with him. king of the way huge, master designer for dunlop and mxr, and god of all things fuzz face
However, there is the definition that Spock gives in the original Star Trek, and immortalised by Orbital as a looped sample...' there is the theory of The Möbius, a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop'. What that has to do with expensive modulation effects I have no idea, but a I always found it very pleasing.
For me it goes like this: portability and midi/routing tweakery = mobius, in all other cases I aim for individual pedals (plus a switcher for comfort). Where mobius is/was a great package, it always felt like a chore to decide what effects I should use before starting a tune, because I just love having the freedom to go for a leslie intead of a phase, trem instead of a vibe or whatever at a whim. Midi and all the endless parameters give me rash so I've allowed myself to be content with the old-school approach and its limitations. Great video again, guys!
I’m with you 100%. I’ve had all the processors and multi effect pedals over the last 30 years. I still use a Kemper for TV shows, long tours with a consistent set list, and sessions where I need a very wide variety of quick build rigs. But for vibe, ease of use, and tone, it’s old school pedals all the way for me.
The thing you missed about the Destroyer setting is setting it up to sound like an old gramophone kind of thing. I use it for the intro to "Folsom Prison Blues" during shows (and then kick it off once the singing comes it) It also almost perfectly replicates the intro to "Wish you Were Here"
Anyway, as you said, the Mobius is the perfect "I need a whole bunch of mod effects once each during a show" pedal. That's exactly why I own one. I have 4 overdrives, 2 fuzzes, 2 compressors, plus a few other fun things (Pog, ETC) on a board about the size of the one you guys use on the show. Mobius allows me to do Tom Sawyer and Purple Rain and use beautiful trem and leslie sounds during the set without making room for 7 different modulation pedals. I, too, like having knobs to fiddle with, but as a guy who's never owned the 70s pedal they're trying to replicate, I find the sounds in the Mobius to be really inspiring, and it allows me to get all the mod sounds I need for gigs, while keeping room for a whole bunch of analog gain stages, treble boosts, wahs, and all that other fun stuff on the board.
Try the mobius in stereo and then compare it to the mono versions. Use the panning features found on most engines and you will be blown away. Sounds great!
Hey guys! I'm still not sure what a dbucket brigade is defined as, or how it works, in general. Is there anyway you can clarify what it is a little more?
+Mikey Garcia Hello Mikey. A series of stages that pass signal along. Imaging a line of buckets. Start with water in the one and then pass it down the line. Wikipedia has a good explanation. Cheers!
+M DA Thank you! We were really reticent about playing anything much in the early days, and we've both loosened up a lot since then. Playing on video is really totally different from playing at home and in bands. Totally different head space. We're probably just a bit more comfortable with it these days. Thanks for watching!
Now that we have a reference of how the Möbius stacks up, would it be possible for you guys to show how the H9 stacks up to the analog modulation pedals, or even against the Mobius? Also, I would really like to hear your take on the new OCD v2 with the 'enhanced bypass' buffer, as well! Keep up the great work, fellows!
+Robert Simpson We think it'd be potato/potato with H9 and Möbius (ie negligible difference, the same as we concluded with the mega delays), but maybe we should go through it. OCDv2 - absolutely! We shall acquire one forthwith. Cheers!
Had a Mobius, best solution for an all in one modulation box. Sold it for single analog pedals modulations: can't beat those for headroom and 3d sounding, but that means a lot more space in pedal board. While recording the difference is way more subtle than by hearing it in the room. In the end the only downside of the Mobius is the impossibility to combine more than one modulation: chorus + flanger, vibrato + vibe etc. I'm still using single modulation pedals nowadays. Excellent video as always :)
Strange surprise personal preference: the Möbius phaser wasn't doing it for me compared to the Phase 100, but with overdrive kicked on suddenly switched preferences to the darker, more mid-heavy sound of the Möbius. Reminded me of Frank Zappa, without the wah pedal, and I love that sound.
Mick is right - the Mobius sounds blanketed, next to all the individual pedals … Is this just how it is, or were we missing a trick at this time? 🤔 If that’s just how the Mobius is, then is the MD-500, Terraform, etc etc all like that, too … ? I’m helping a friend who is looking at MD-500, Terraform & HX One right now … Should he try to stretch to the Mobius? Is this ‘blanket issue’ universal universal with MultiFX Modulation (the AD/DA converters) … ?! Thanks muchly!! 🙏🏼 Edit: “no dry analog through” is the problem, yeah? Is there any multiFX (esp. with Modulation) that has dry analog through?!
Just did a 2nd listen through of this. One thing that is very clear to me is once you kick in distortion, the analog circuits play SO much better with it than the möbius. To be perfectly honest it's really not even a contest with any of these. The one Strymon pedal that seems to play best with distortion is when a subtle Reverb is done on the Big Sky. Other than that, when running with distortion analog truly is king. The Big Sky is their best sounding pedal IMO maybe tied with El Capistan, but even El Cap seems to get a bit finicky with distortion. Tempted to just sell everything and get a tube tape echo, original Electric Mistress and CE-1 and call it a day-I think the only 2 pedals I would keep if I did that is my KOT and Big Sky. May end up going that route.
+Jon Leon Hi Jon, Mick here. Since we made this video we’ve done a lot of similar tests and a lot of listening and soul searching. Or at least I have. I agree entirely to the point that I’m now pretty much done with DSP. Can’t avoid it entirely, but certainly if the choice is there, I’m going analogue. You’re totally right about the Drive sounds. Cheers!
The vintage analog modulation pedals have more depth, movement, brightness & character … and the Mobius therefore sounds flat and dull, by comparison. But in a vacuum, the Mobius sounds good and is convenient/has a lot in 1 box (including presets, MIDI, stereo ins/outs and an expression in). The difference is, you can either have THE SOUNDS … or you can have very serviceable digital emulations, cheaper, in one (true?! 🤔) stereo box, and with loads of control). Mind you, separate boxes, that have separate settings that can each be twiddled with in real time, is its own type of control, that you don’t get over each effect in real time in a digital multiFX box (at least, not without sone crazy complicated ensemble of MIDI controllers … and even then, I’m not sure it’s possible?! 😬).
Great show guys!! Möbius is a great pedal but never held up against my individual pedals. Something was definitely lost in the EQ & headroom with the Möbius on .. also sounds the same here compared to the pedals. My one lasted a day (or less) on my board.
Dan, That Electric Mistress is Special - I agree. ( however ) I can get Really Close with my Mooer E-Lady Flanger. I was also Impressed that the Mobius nailed the Boss Chorus Tone ( but got smoked vs. the MXR Phase 100 ). I will still take my Free The Tone Tri Avatar Chorus ) over anything previously or currently available. Id love to see the Mobius vs. Eventide H-9. Another Fantastic Episode. Thanks Guys for all you do, it is very much Appreciated.
+Michael Caz Cheers Michael. Mick here. I have a Tri-Avatar too and absolutely love it! We were expecting more people to be asking about Möbius vs H9, but I think it'd be negligible in terms of sound preference. All about the user interface. Cheers, and thanks for watching!
Ferdinand Möbius developed an awesome theory of continuous transformations of the complex plane, his Möbius transformations are a projection of a figure that lives on a sphere to a plane below it! (like a map of the Earth), some pretty weird and wonderful thigns can be drawn with those things. Also, one of the most wonderful results of complex analysis is that every wave is just a combination of a bunch of very simple things, so maybe its called that way because complex analysis promotes a unified view of wave phenomena, Möbius is one of its most famous practitioners, and modulation effects are at their heart different ways of messing up a wave. Maybe there is a direct conection between all of those things, but who knows, I just know for sure that it sounds awesome!
The MXR Phase 100 is a 10 stage phaser of which 6 phases are "sweepable", ... It may not be possible to replicate in the Strymon. Perhaps that's why the Mobius wasn't sounding great.
+George L For us it's less about the stages and more about the fidelity in the actual tone of the thing George. It's the same with the Phase 90... and indeed pretty much any of those old analogue modulation devices. We didn't use a Phase 90 because one of Dan's is broken and the other is missing in action! Thanks for watching.
I might be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that the MXR Phase 100 has both 6 and 10 stages of phasing which you can change between. The small circles symbolizes 6 stages and the big circles symbolisez 10 stages. And the wide and narrow lines symbolizes the frequency width, which you can change between...
That electric mistriss. That noise would give me nuts though. But my goodness that sounds gets me every time. The Mobius is clean to a fault, there is something about modulation that needs to be analog. Wether is the noise that makes the character it still screams let me be analog. But in all particle common sense it is great value and sounds great and would work out way cheaper than buying vintage and would last a lot longer.
Listened to this on high quality studio monitors and the original pedals are vastly superior. I really think modulation needs to be in the analog domain. For some reason the Big Sky and El Cap come close enough to the real deal but digital stuff with those classic modulation circuits just can't cut it. Not sure why that is, because Strymon clearly have the reverbs and Delays down to a science and so close to the real thing it's much harder to tell the difference. The original Roland Chorus circuit, MXR phaser and EM still are worth seeking out and using vs any digital pedals.
+Jon Leon Indeed, clearly we wouldn't disagree. Delay is interesting - there still isn't an Echoplex or Echorec emulation that compares to the real thing when A/B'd, but for those delays that work best in - and indeed require - the digital domain, well, they're awesome. Same with reverbs - no spring emulation sounds like proper spring reverb really, but all the plates, halls etc etc... spectacular! All the modulation effects we love best were made with analogue stuff.... in the context of a mix it's going to be very difficult to tell, but that all-important inspiration factor comes from the analogue stuff. For me and Dan anyway... cheers!
Don't like it. Blue Sky is incredible. I took the Mobius home and after a few hours knew it wasn't IT. I have many phasers,flangers from vintage to modern but wanted to lower my pedal count. IMO it just did not have the depth and character of dedicated pedals. Also, you cannot layer pedals or move them around in the chain which makes a HUGE difference.
Christ Dan - CE-1 and Mistress are my joint favourite effects also, AND my bloody 1974 Phase 90 packed up yesterday! Like a parallel universe, watching this episode!! (Kick in the balls indeed for vintage pedals blowing up!!)
Thanks for the video. To my ears the Mobius just lacks a level of depth and breath in the fidelity compared to the individual pedals which I do not hear with other Strymon pedals. The Mobius seems to be narrowing the EQ range in all the comparisons requiring a separate EQ on the board to compensate. Given these factors in combination with the special power requirements of all Strymon pedals I reserve my GigRig Time Lord module for my Big Sky.
You have to put the Mobius in front of your amp and in the effects loop by using both inputs and outputs. Then flip the switch on back to pre/post. The Mobius then automatically puts certain effects in front of the amp, or in the effects loop depending on the effect. Allot of people don't know this about the Mobius.
Seems a top end eq difference between the moebius and the pedals it is emulating. Not a bad thing, but certainly a difference. A bit like a flat image of an object? Sorry, wrote that after 24 mins. See same conclusion later in video.
Hello Dan and Mick! Can you do a show on speakers? I think a lot of my friends and many people watching this don't know the difference between 4, 8 and 16 ohm, what is a 2x12 and how does it sound compared to a 1x12 wide body? And also how phase works when you are using for example a 2x12 and a 4x10 cab. Thank you very much for all of the videos, have learned more from you guys than in school for the last year... Keep up the great work!
The mobius is cool, but none of the effects stand out. You can tell when you've got a CE-1 or an electric mistress or a classic uni vibe, but the mobius just sounds like a bland normal kind of thing. I'm not turned on by the mobius like I am by some of the individual pedals. Now I do like the mobius better than some of the individual pedals. I like the sound of the mobius for the phaser better but it's not very distinctive like the phase 100 is
Meta territory: seeing if a digital algorithm can accurately replicate a wildly popular optical analog circuit that completely failed to accurately replicate a mechanical rotary speaker.
+David Dyte Yeah baby. It's a downward spiral of expectations! ;0) If that's not what modernity is about, then what is?!
The true meta is that the rotary speaker was an attempt to replicate the space and depth of a pipe organ by way of the Doppler effect, which took on a life of its own upon missing that mark.
Now if only my poor imitation of blues guitar playing could take on a life of its own.
Mind blown .... Job done
Contrary to popular belief, the uni-vibe was actually an attempt to replicate the natural modulation caused by the fluctuating altitude and motion of the earth's ionosphere, heard on powerful middle-wave Russian propaganda radio broadcasts reaching Japan in the 60s. From the original designer himself: th-cam.com/video/o1WGjQtU3CU/w-d-xo.html
have you ever thought about doing a series recreating famous pedal boards from history, like what jimi had on the floor at Woodstock or what Gilmour used at Knebworth.
David Mackenzie awesome idea!
David Mackenzie ....that's a great idea!!
Murry In Arizona one could do it with reissues and the like.
now thats an spiffing idea...worth it just for the chain order
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As always!
Fridays, "Oh I'll just get started on that job that needs doing...."
"'That Pedal Show just uploaded a video'"
Well, that's me for the next hour :)))
Has any thought been given to bringing the Strymon people onboard for shows like this?
I know it takes a while to "get right" with really complex effects like the Mobius. Lots of rubbing and adjusting and learning to get it just as one likes. If you are reading the instructions off of a stack of stapled-together sheets you aren't taking the time (or don't have the time) to get things optimized, maybe? A person who works with/for Strymon might be able to tweek and adjust quickly and effectively.
If Daniel had owned at Mobius for 40 years, he might love it like he loves his Electric Mistress?
That's not really a good advertisement for the Strymon Mobius.
"Hey, it's great, you just need to get the design, production, and manufacturing team from Strymon to come and stay at your place for a couple weeks or so and then, after 40 years of your own tinkering, you'll never leave home without it! In fact, you'll never leave home because by then you'll be so old you won't be able to!"
Matt Gilbert that's not what he's saying at all. Involved units like the Mobius and H9 DO take time to get to know and there's nothing wrong with that. And they're still waaaayyy easier than the old rack stuff (Eventides, PCM, TC 2290 etc). Having someone from Strymon there to explain the design process and what goes behind the DSP programming would be awesome.
@@thesphericalguy9018
It kind of is what he's saying, mate. If you need to spend that much time and effort on this thing *and* bring in the people who designed it then, inevitably, it will subtract from the time spent playing.
Time is a finite resource.
Most adult players have work, family, and financial commitments. They are already time-poor. Unless they want to make this one thing (learning to use hi-tech digital "mega" effects their one, main hobby), it seems ill-advised.
@@mattgilbert7347 I agree there are better options for bedroom players who have limited time to spend tweaking, or people who prefer working with simpler stuff. But whether you like it or not 1 hour is not enough to cover a pro level multi fx unit with 12 distinct engines. Just because you don't want to put the time into units like these doesn't mean there's not a market for them. On the contrary they are extremely popular with pros and hobbyists alike.
Like I said, try working with proper rack gear and then tell me this is "complicated".
Out of the box, it should sound just like some classic pedals, and then have tweaking available for people who want to create some new sounds. It shouldn't need loads of time invested into it, to make it sound like your favourite Chorus / Flange / Phase sounds.
This would be interesting to revisit with some newer multi mod pedals. Multi mod shootout. Mobius, Terraform, Synesthesia etc.
omg. That Electric Misstress is pure magic.
When I hear that Electric Mistress I hear The Police "Walking on the Moon".
+rcoveyduc Yeah baby!
Great song! Check out the instrumental version on TH-cam
The "S" in the printed word MOBIUS on the front of the pedal is, in fact, a Mobius Strip... : )
Lol too funny!
Yes, with the faint background part factored in, the S becomes a depiction of a mobius strip. Nice little gummicky touch. ☺️
"Who knows what the Mobius strip is. Probably has significance beyond this."
"I daresay."
😁
Do an episode on Bitcrushers and Lo-fi effects!
It's just far enough away from your comfort zone to warrant a fun episode!
+Jay Cobie Sounds great!
That Pedal Show I second that. Ambient guitar (whilst not a unified style) is definitely a distinct playing style and approach these days. So any videos that explore textural sounds would be great. I have in the back of my mind that there was an early 2000s gritty British crime show that had ambient, bit crushed guitar in its soundtrack. Can't remember the name of the show but it had really cool music.
Great opportunity to try that Truly Beautiful Disaster again, or another Devi Ever pedal!
I can't remember the name of the show but the music was Portishead..
You know life is falling into place when you buy a strymon möbius the week previous, and now Mick and Dan do an entire show dedicated to it.
+Dennis Yacono Yeah!
You guys need to do a rack episode. I started playing in the 90s after racks were gone. It'd be cool to see them side by side with modern and vintage pedals!
Just out of curiosity not trying to start anything at all, but do you feel like we will look back at kempers, axefx, and such with slightly negative feelings the same way people look back at racks of the 80s with "disgust" for lack of a better term?
Thats a tough question. I think the big difference with racks and stuff is they were going for a "modern" (80s) sound, whereas Kempers and stuff are going for a "classic" sound. So as digital technology gets better, people may look back at them like we do at bad special effects in old movies. That is if anyone is still playing guitar thirty years from now...
keith faust I second this! Especially since Dan has used rack systems in the past
oooo, yes and make sure it includes a TC 2290!
Ya it's not that rack show . I went through several rack units 25 years ago. Most of that stuff back then did 128 things and none as good as a single pedal
"WHY DONT YOU EVER TALK ABOUT HARMONIC TREM" ... my how far we have come
Had the Möbius for a long time and it slowly replaced my flanger, phaser and other pedals. Head to head they were sometimes indistinguishable. Now went back to individuals pedals because you know... guitarists need change :)
+TheSterlingSound We know the feeling! ;0)
Jeffrey Attakorah the corona chorus is itself replicating other chorus pedals... not sure
i just bought it,I already know i will probbly follow your same path
I know that Strymon products are great, several of my friends and players I respect swear by their Mobius and Timeline, etc. units.... but is it just me, or in some of these cases in this video, do the pedals that are being compared to the settings in the Mobius just SOUND BETTER than the Mobius does? More clarity, etc
don't have anything revert to so I guess I just suffer along with the Mobius
I have a Mobius and a/b the Mobius Vibe setting against a Korg Nuvibe pedal- I can vouch for this, the Mobius vibe is clearly not as good as the Korg (which is an outstanding Vibe). It lacks the throb depth of the Korg- and yes, I know how to adjust the Mobius- s- i.e. the LOW END (throb) should be far left, the Low End function is a filter, to the right gets rid of the low end. Also, the stereo field from my Fulltone Choralflange is a bit wider than the stereo field on the Mobius. So, yes, the Mobius does a good job and has a few advantages over some pedals- but its not the be all-end it all and definitely has some limitations in regards to perfect emulation, at least in some settings. It's quiet and has lots of preset storage, and has full stereo in/out jacks, and a good selection of sounds. The Mobius stereo tremolo is especially nice and I don't think anything beats it, and the rotary is quite good. And the Mobius is STEREO- something a lot of one-effect pedals are not, and it sounds best in stereo, where it really distinguishes itself.And in this video there is no stereo sound--- ! On TH-cam I had a hard time hearing much difference between Mobius and a lot of the one-effect pedals..
So true you are. When I used the mobius in stereo the panning features sounded incredible. This was totally missed in this presentation.
Never really been a huge fan of the "flanger" effect, but every time Dan's Electric Mistress comes out, my heart simply can't take it!
+Clay McCown Such a cool noise... :0)
So much better ‘in the room’ with it, too … 💚⚡️
Walrus Audios Polychrome Flanger Is absolutely fantastic as well. Check that one out if you can get your hands on one
"IT'S A KICK IN THE BALLS!" - Daniel Steinhardt, 2017
John Waldock that had me cracking up as well.
So if I'm a guitarist who knows what a Möbius strip looks like, does that mean I have to start listening to prog?
Yes.
Also, if you don't know. :-D
What do you mean, start?
it seems like a very single sided response
although Escer thought it was more complex than that LOL
I'm highly disappointed that they didn't know what a Mobius Strip is. its actually a very well known mathematical object....
matan ken Don't get your topology in a twist! They're just pedalboard guys.
Must say, I bought a möbius a few months back after your great demos of it and have never been sorry. I even find the vibe exceptional even though others have said it wasn't great. The flexibility of it sold it for me, so it fits my needs. Would still love a wazza chorus though even though I don't need it lol...thanks guys. Keep up the good work!
Definition of Möbius strip. : a one-sided surface that is constructed from a rectangle by holding one end fixed, rotating the opposite end through 180 degrees, and joining it to the first end.
is a surface with only one side (when embedded in three-dimensional Euclidean space) and only one boundary.
one side and one edge.
Alexander Webb M. C. Escher's drawings of a möbius strip is a thing of beauty
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Möbius_strip
So in other words, a tube.
Seriously I don’t mind these guys but they should’ve done their homework and match the settings from the individual pedals on the Mobius and then save them as presets Before doing the video ....they’re literally reading the manual while doing the comparison demo… More for entertainment value than anything
Over an hour? This is getting out of hand and I'm okay with it. What is wrong with me?
Er guys. Not a good idea to do a hey Siri look up as it's just gone off on my own iPhone 3 times lol
+Paul Lawrence Hahahaha! Excellent!
Mine did the same!. Lol
A truly interactive upload lol
I think it's fair to conclude that these sounds are somewhere in there, but it'll make you work for it. It'll reward you for your efforts. Tweakers delight!
Flanger: Liked the Mobius better
Phaser: Liked the Phase 100 better
Rotary: Liked the RotoSpin better
Vibe: Liked the Mobius Better
Chorus: Really liked both
I was expecting a little more from the mobius tbh
Investing hours in learning and programming a monstrous unit like the Mobius (which keeps us from real playing), just to use it for let's say 20 seconds in 3 songs of a 25 song setlist, is a thing only we guitarists do ;-) Anyways, the more I watch of your videos the more I just want to plug directly into the amp and rock it out purely ;-))
I do have to wonder, if you use it that seldom, why even own it?
Something like the Mobius seems to me like it's intended for someone who uses different types of modulation a lot. If you only use it for a minute or two out of a gig, get a simple, inexpensive flanger or phaser.
@@sreeser3512 Better words could not have them replied
Lol i know im half a decade late but if you take a strip of paper, and twist it once, then tape one end to the other, it can be argued that you have created a one sided object in 3 dimensional space. Of course it has 2 sides (4 if you count the edges, which you should lol). But it can be argued that it only has one. The arguement can hold up (depending on your company) because, you can draw one continuous line down the center of the 'mobius strip' and your line will hit the point where the line was started, and it will cover both the existent 'top' (depending on your perspective) side, as well as, the (theoretically misnomered) 'bottom side' without picking up your writing utensil. Its a cool thing to think about as a child when you still believe math is unimportant lol. Pardon my nerdiness lol
Wow, that CE-2W sounds incredible!
I'm thinking of buying this pedal, and I was concerned about the lack of eq control, specifically on Chorus, but I just downloaded the manual, and on page 8 (under the Mode Section), there is a function that allows one to adjust the brightness of the effect.
Tone on Mobius Chorus-- but not in all effects, i.e. Flanger has no tone control.
RE: the analog vs digital reproductions; it is amazing that the difference can be heard via a You Tube video played through laptop speakers.
The Strymon is just so tidy and spot on. However it falls victim to the short comings of digital. Specifically, the top end of the Fq spectrum is lacking detail. Yes it is squeaky clean, but the signal is scrubbed of an infinite amount of harmonic nuances.
I think the phasing and flanging effects are likely the best scenario to realize the effects of the digital curse as the effect(s) add and subtract Fq's in a sweeping manner.
Truth is the human ear can detect 1 to the (-42) in terms of amplitude and Fq steps.
We will need digital sample rates in the order of Ghz to even come close to capturing that sort of detail.
Thank you gents for you pedal show for once again for feeding this gear heads brain. Well done !!
+Scott Lurken You've very eloquently articulated what my ears are hearing Scott. Thanks for watching, and for sharing this.
The real thing sound better...it would seem
Another fantastic video gentlemen! To my ears the Mobius lost every round in this battle. I'm a big Strymon fan, but in my opinion their smaller individual pedals do a much better job at replicating these classic effects. The Mobius would work fine on stage, not so much in the studio.
If you grew up in Los Angeles, you know exactly what a Mobius strip is. They have a moving example of it at the museum of Science and Industry Los Angeles (now California Science Center)... you could push a button and a red arrow would "drive" along this strip.. and come back.. and you could see that it traveled on "both sides." - we loved it. Now I know it was named after a german.
Cool feature on the Mobius is being able to use the tap tempo to set the rate of the any of the modulation machines. Great for fast/slow rotary but also awesome to have for tremolo/vibe/phaser etc instead of turning knobs...
I, for one, am glad your videos are on the lengthy side, because you go into more depth with each pedal with plenty of tones and playing examples on your respective Strats, Teles, PRS and other guitars. Job well done.
Explore the Destroyer engine further. It has so much more to give
there are no answers... the are only more fucking questions.
FYI, the "S" at the end of the Mobius logo, is in fact a depiction a Mobius strip. 🌌
Fell in Love with the Rotoscoped Spin here ... great video thanks guys!
Why did the chicken cross the mobius strip?
To get to the same side.
Flanger alone is damn close to the beloved Mistress... worth the price of admission (for me) along with any simple chorus. I think the Mobius is a no brainer.
A Barberpole Phaser is an effect with two phasers linked in a way to create the auditory illusion that the phaser is always moving "up" or "down" instead of the back and forth Up/Down rhythm created by a normal phaser. The Line 6 FM4 does this as well. Once I found that sound I became hooked. I've really should pick up a small standalone unit that does this effect, hopefully at very slow speeds, so that I can stop carrying around the huge and heavy FM4. Great show, as always!
EDIT: I did a little fresh goggling on phasing gear and apparently the Boss PH-3 has rise and fall barber pole phasing too. I'll have to check it out.
+notbadfilms Thank you! I didn't know that (Mick here). Thanks for watching!
Thank YOU for making these great videos and taking the time to respond to my comment.
It's plenty of time after the fact but Mr. Black makes a barber pole flanger that's awesome. I know you said phaser but just giving ideas
Bring on the Eventide H9 demo
Guys - upload some of your live concerts you guys perform with groups! Want to see how your personal pedal boards work in a live settings. That would be cool to see!
* strymon mobius vs classic....... LOOK AT THAT 1960 STRAT*
good episode. You guys should do a jeorge tripps feature episode if you can get in touch with him. king of the way huge, master designer for dunlop and mxr, and god of all things fuzz face
However, there is the definition that Spock gives in the original Star Trek, and immortalised by Orbital as a looped sample...' there is the theory of The Möbius, a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop'. What that has to do with expensive modulation effects I have no idea, but a I always found it very pleasing.
For me it goes like this: portability and midi/routing tweakery = mobius, in all other cases I aim for individual pedals (plus a switcher for comfort). Where mobius is/was a great package, it always felt like a chore to decide what effects I should use before starting a tune, because I just love having the freedom to go for a leslie intead of a phase, trem instead of a vibe or whatever at a whim. Midi and all the endless parameters give me rash so I've allowed myself to be content with the old-school approach and its limitations.
Great video again, guys!
I’m with you 100%. I’ve had all the processors and multi effect pedals over the last 30 years. I still use a Kemper for TV shows, long tours with a consistent set list, and sessions where I need a very wide variety of quick build rigs. But for vibe, ease of use, and tone, it’s old school pedals all the way for me.
In conclusion, all of these are awesome. Still, I need a Binson Echorec, a Leslie Rotary, and an outboard Fender Reverb tank.
+SavimbaLives We heartily concur. :0)
I've got a 1969 Binson Echorec PE603-T (same as in TPS) for sale, but it's in Germany
Echorec pedal sounds super good tho
The thing you missed about the Destroyer setting is setting it up to sound like an old gramophone kind of thing. I use it for the intro to "Folsom Prison Blues" during shows (and then kick it off once the singing comes it)
It also almost perfectly replicates the intro to "Wish you Were Here"
Anyway, as you said, the Mobius is the perfect "I need a whole bunch of mod effects once each during a show" pedal. That's exactly why I own one. I have 4 overdrives, 2 fuzzes, 2 compressors, plus a few other fun things (Pog, ETC) on a board about the size of the one you guys use on the show. Mobius allows me to do Tom Sawyer and Purple Rain and use beautiful trem and leslie sounds during the set without making room for 7 different modulation pedals.
I, too, like having knobs to fiddle with, but as a guy who's never owned the 70s pedal they're trying to replicate, I find the sounds in the Mobius to be really inspiring, and it allows me to get all the mod sounds I need for gigs, while keeping room for a whole bunch of analog gain stages, treble boosts, wahs, and all that other fun stuff on the board.
He said Jerry Garcia and John Frusciante in the same sentence. Oh, and ice cream. And strats! Like I needed anymore reasons to love this show! 😁
LOL. Just purchased a Mobius yesterday and this pops up in the feed today. Perfect primer for the new pedal!
Nothing wrong with the Mobius, but the pedals have a more dynamic sound. After post-processing, the differences may be harder to spot.
Is this what you know or what you want things to be? Have you any idea how high the dynamics in every pedal are?
@@orangenotviolet 2 years ago, I had said ‘dynamic sound,’ not dynamic range. Big difference:)
Try the mobius in stereo and then compare it to the mono versions. Use the panning features found on most engines and you will be blown away. Sounds great!
I love you guys. I was waiting for this video (I'm owner of Mobius)!
same! very happy that this video is out
I'm not a big fan of Candy Apple Red. But I can't take my eyes off that Strat. It's gorgeous!!
+Matthew Krebs Sexy time! It's sooooo cool. Cheers!
Hey guys! I'm still not sure what a dbucket brigade is defined as, or how it works, in general. Is there anyway you can clarify what it is a little more?
+Mikey Garcia Hello Mikey. A series of stages that pass signal along. Imaging a line of buckets. Start with water in the one and then pass it down the line. Wikipedia has a good explanation. Cheers!
Mick's playing has really improved since the first pedal show.
+M DA Thank you! We were really reticent about playing anything much in the early days, and we've both loosened up a lot since then. Playing on video is really totally different from playing at home and in bands. Totally different head space. We're probably just a bit more comfortable with it these days. Thanks for watching!
That fulltone vibe sounded a bit chewy. That electronic mistress sounded to die for.
Can you guys do an episode on good clean amps to use with pedals? Like fender hot rod deluxe, victory v40, wampler bravado, morgan pr12 etc.
Now that we have a reference of how the Möbius stacks up, would it be possible for you guys to show how the H9 stacks up to the analog modulation pedals, or even against the Mobius?
Also, I would really like to hear your take on the new OCD v2 with the 'enhanced bypass' buffer, as well!
Keep up the great work, fellows!
+Robert Simpson We think it'd be potato/potato with H9 and Möbius (ie negligible difference, the same as we concluded with the mega delays), but maybe we should go through it. OCDv2 - absolutely! We shall acquire one forthwith. Cheers!
Also, there's no tone fidelity reason to not have analog dry through. My Boss CE2B has a mix knob. It makes the chorus even more usable.
+R Pettersen chorus and Flanger could have, but phaser based effects would be very difficult.
Haha Mick avoided Corona years in advance.
Great as always guys, thanks. So, best pedals for getting 2-5-1 turnarounds and Eb dim7 arpeggios under the fingers?
+James Dalziel Hahaha! Nice one Jamie, hope you're still enjoying beautiful Italy! An absolute pleasure hanging out with you. :0)
Had a Mobius, best solution for an all in one modulation box. Sold it for single analog pedals modulations: can't beat those for headroom and 3d sounding, but that means a lot more space in pedal board. While recording the difference is way more subtle than by hearing it in the room. In the end the only downside of the Mobius is the impossibility to combine more than one modulation: chorus + flanger, vibrato + vibe etc. I'm still using single modulation pedals nowadays.
Excellent video as always :)
thank you for the feedback, that was exactly what I wanted to know this entire video
trinitykorg its called... 2 mobiuses :) or 2 h9's in my case
Strange surprise personal preference: the Möbius phaser wasn't doing it for me compared to the Phase 100, but with overdrive kicked on suddenly switched preferences to the darker, more mid-heavy sound of the Möbius. Reminded me of Frank Zappa, without the wah pedal, and I love that sound.
Mick is right - the Mobius sounds blanketed, next to all the individual pedals … Is this just how it is, or were we missing a trick at this time? 🤔
If that’s just how the Mobius is, then is the MD-500, Terraform, etc etc all like that, too … ? I’m helping a friend who is looking at MD-500, Terraform & HX One right now … Should he try to stretch to the Mobius? Is this ‘blanket issue’ universal universal with MultiFX Modulation (the AD/DA converters) … ?! Thanks muchly!! 🙏🏼 Edit: “no dry analog through” is the problem, yeah? Is there any multiFX (esp. with Modulation) that has dry analog through?!
The MXR Phase 100 I love for Bass, while I like the Phase 90 for Guitar.
Just did a 2nd listen through of this. One thing that is very clear to me is once you kick in distortion, the analog circuits play SO much better with it than the möbius. To be perfectly honest it's really not even a contest with any of these. The one Strymon pedal that seems to play best with distortion is when a subtle Reverb is done on the Big Sky. Other than that, when running with distortion analog truly is king. The Big Sky is their best sounding pedal IMO maybe tied with El Capistan, but even El Cap seems to get a bit finicky with distortion. Tempted to just sell everything and get a tube tape echo, original Electric Mistress and CE-1 and call it a day-I think the only 2 pedals I would keep if I did that is my KOT and Big Sky. May end up going that route.
+Jon Leon Hi Jon, Mick here. Since we made this video we’ve done a lot of similar tests and a lot of listening and soul searching. Or at least I have. I agree entirely to the point that I’m now pretty much done with DSP. Can’t avoid it entirely, but certainly if the choice is there, I’m going analogue. You’re totally right about the Drive sounds. Cheers!
The vintage analog modulation pedals have more depth, movement, brightness & character … and the Mobius therefore sounds flat and dull, by comparison. But in a vacuum, the Mobius sounds good and is convenient/has a lot in 1 box (including presets, MIDI, stereo ins/outs and an expression in).
The difference is, you can either have THE SOUNDS … or you can have very serviceable digital emulations, cheaper, in one (true?! 🤔) stereo box, and with loads of control). Mind you, separate boxes, that have separate settings that can each be twiddled with in real time, is its own type of control, that you don’t get over each effect in real time in a digital multiFX box (at least, not without sone crazy complicated ensemble of MIDI controllers … and even then, I’m not sure it’s possible?! 😬).
Great show guys!! Möbius is a great pedal but never held up against my individual pedals. Something was definitely lost in the EQ & headroom with the Möbius on .. also sounds the same here compared to the pedals.
My one lasted a day (or less) on my board.
Dan, That Electric Mistress is Special - I agree. ( however ) I can get Really Close with my Mooer E-Lady Flanger. I was also Impressed that the Mobius nailed the Boss Chorus Tone ( but got smoked vs. the MXR Phase 100 ). I will still take my Free The Tone Tri Avatar Chorus ) over anything previously or currently available. Id love to see the Mobius vs. Eventide H-9. Another Fantastic Episode. Thanks Guys for all you do, it is very much Appreciated.
+Michael Caz Cheers Michael. Mick here. I have a Tri-Avatar too and absolutely love it! We were expecting more people to be asking about Möbius vs H9, but I think it'd be negligible in terms of sound preference. All about the user interface. Cheers, and thanks for watching!
Dan, you and your Electric Mistress need to get a room!
The harmonic trem on Mobius is just beautiful, you should've stayed on that longer. The same tone can be found on a Flint.
The Flint's harmonic trem is fantastic!
The mobius trem has the panning feature. Sounds amazing with two amps.
i heard Brian Adams
An episode on the MU-tron and other envelope filters would be amazing! cheers guys!
Ferdinand Möbius developed an awesome theory of continuous transformations of the complex plane, his Möbius transformations are a projection of a figure that lives on a sphere to a plane below it! (like a map of the Earth), some pretty weird and wonderful thigns can be drawn with those things. Also, one of the most wonderful results of complex analysis is that every wave is just a combination of a bunch of very simple things, so maybe its called that way because complex analysis promotes a unified view of wave phenomena, Möbius is one of its most famous practitioners, and modulation effects are at their heart different ways of messing up a wave. Maybe there is a direct conection between all of those things, but who knows, I just know for sure that it sounds awesome!
The MXR Phase 100 is a 10 stage phaser of which 6 phases are "sweepable", ... It may not be possible to replicate in the Strymon. Perhaps that's why the Mobius wasn't sounding great.
+George L For us it's less about the stages and more about the fidelity in the actual tone of the thing George. It's the same with the Phase 90... and indeed pretty much any of those old analogue modulation devices. We didn't use a Phase 90 because one of Dan's is broken and the other is missing in action! Thanks for watching.
I might be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that the MXR Phase 100 has both 6 and 10 stages of phasing which you can change between. The small circles symbolizes 6 stages and the big circles symbolisez 10 stages. And the wide and narrow lines symbolizes the frequency width, which you can change between...
That electric mistriss. That noise would give me nuts though. But my goodness that sounds gets me every time. The Mobius is clean to a fault, there is something about modulation that needs to be analog. Wether is the noise that makes the character it still screams let me be analog. But in all particle common sense it is great value and sounds great and would work out way cheaper than buying vintage and would last a lot longer.
Watching Mick confront an instruction manual is physically painful to watch.
Wow! The Mobius certainly gets close and well worth it.
Plays 8-bit computer noises in destroyer mode - "That's the best you're going to hear a 1960 Stratocaster sound."
Listened to this on high quality studio monitors and the original pedals are vastly superior. I really think modulation needs to be in the analog domain. For some reason the Big Sky and El Cap come close enough to the real deal but digital stuff with those classic modulation circuits just can't cut it. Not sure why that is, because Strymon clearly have the reverbs and Delays down to a science and so close to the real thing it's much harder to tell the difference. The original Roland Chorus circuit, MXR phaser and EM still are worth seeking out and using vs any digital pedals.
+Jon Leon Indeed, clearly we wouldn't disagree. Delay is interesting - there still isn't an Echoplex or Echorec emulation that compares to the real thing when A/B'd, but for those delays that work best in - and indeed require - the digital domain, well, they're awesome. Same with reverbs - no spring emulation sounds like proper spring reverb really, but all the plates, halls etc etc... spectacular! All the modulation effects we love best were made with analogue stuff.... in the context of a mix it's going to be very difficult to tell, but that all-important inspiration factor comes from the analogue stuff. For me and Dan anyway... cheers!
It’s like the möbius has a high pass filter on every sound
Don't like it. Blue Sky is incredible. I took the Mobius home and after a few hours knew it wasn't IT. I have many phasers,flangers from vintage to modern but wanted to lower my pedal count. IMO it just did not have the depth and character of dedicated pedals. Also, you cannot layer pedals or move them around in the chain which makes a HUGE difference.
Christ Dan - CE-1 and Mistress are my joint favourite effects also, AND my bloody 1974 Phase 90 packed up yesterday! Like a parallel universe, watching this episode!! (Kick in the balls indeed for vintage pedals blowing up!!)
Thanks for the video. To my ears the Mobius just lacks a level of depth and breath in the fidelity compared to the individual pedals which I do not hear with other Strymon pedals. The Mobius seems to be narrowing the EQ range in all the comparisons requiring a separate EQ on the board to compensate. Given these factors in combination with the special power requirements of all Strymon pedals I reserve my GigRig Time Lord module for my Big Sky.
Dig Mick covering "Run To You"... the English do like Bryan Adams, no? Chappers likes to play "It's Only Love", right.
The ability to save presets is a must for me, so I obviously prefer the Möbius.
You guys are the best. this was a decision I was having to make and this solved it! Thanks fellas!
You have to put the Mobius in front of your amp and in the effects loop by using both inputs and outputs. Then flip the switch on back to pre/post. The Mobius then automatically puts certain effects in front of the amp, or in the effects loop depending on the effect. Allot of people don't know this about the Mobius.
Time for a Bloopers Episode yet?
Judging by the amount of laughs I reckon they aleady keep them in ;o)
The Electric Mistress has a warmer, gooier viscous texture compare to the Silver mode of the Moebius.
That Electric Mistress is Andy Summers' Police tone-in-a-box.
+Lord of the Mound yep, that's the one, and Davy G :)
Mobious: time becomes loop. :) I believe Spock said that in the Startrek series. Once upon a time I had it as a sampe. Nice for a techno track.
You're getting "preventative comment defensive". The comments will come, and nothing can stop them. Do your show. 99% of us are super cool with it.
+Josh Flanagan Hahaha!!! Call it self preservation. 10 seconds of chat can save three hours of answering comments. :0) Thanks for watching!
Seems a top end eq difference between the moebius and the pedals it is emulating. Not a bad thing, but certainly a difference. A bit like a flat image of an object?
Sorry, wrote that after 24 mins. See same conclusion later in video.
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but the thing with your MXR 100 comparison is that it's not a 6-stage phaser - it's 10-stage.
Hello Dan and Mick! Can you do a show on speakers? I think a lot of my friends and many people watching this don't know the difference between 4, 8 and 16 ohm, what is a 2x12 and how does it sound compared to a 1x12 wide body? And also how phase works when you are using for example a 2x12 and a 4x10 cab. Thank you very much for all of the videos, have learned more from you guys than in school for the last year... Keep up the great work!
The mobius is cool, but none of the effects stand out. You can tell when you've got a CE-1 or an electric mistress or a classic uni vibe, but the mobius just sounds like a bland normal kind of thing. I'm not turned on by the mobius like I am by some of the individual pedals. Now I do like the mobius better than some of the individual pedals. I like the sound of the mobius for the phaser better but it's not very distinctive like the phase 100 is