I sold my timeline a few months ago after owning one for almost 7 years. Went down a rabbit hole of delay pedals and came out of it with a newly purchased timeline as of 2 days ago 😂. It’s that good. I didn’t realize how much id miss the simplicity of work flow and how awesome it sounds.
Thanks for asking me chaps! Great video. Honestly I really really liked the free the tone! But, yeah, to migrate from my beloved timeline and all my presets.... I don’t know if I have the energy hahah! Thanks again! Much love ❤️
I’ve been a Timeline user since it came out. Hundreds of gigs and it’s never let me down! I’ve tried a few other more recent releases and nothing has kicked it off my board. There’s a certain thing that the tape algorithm does when running stereo that I just can’t live without 👌🏼
I totally get You. Same dTape camp, here ;-) The way the delay repeats sound and can be set really ambient with Filter and Grit knobs... There is something magical in it. That feature alone is making this unit worth the money.
One of the reasons I so completely enjoy TPS is watching how much fun you two have geeking out over pedals and getting to partake a bit in that fun. The fact that these shows are also highly informative makes everything you all do just fabulous. Thanks!
I’ve owned the Timeline for about 7 years . Gigged it weekly for that entire time. I only scrape the surface of what it can do and only use about 3-4 delay sounds regularly. However, it’s worth owning and will probably never leave my board because, besides having excellent standard delay tones, I also like to use it as an inspiration generator at home by using its unique delay sounds and looper. I don’t ever see myself needing another delay pedal.....ever. The Timeline is now a timeless classic, it’ll always be regarded as a game changer for pedal boards, much like the 2290 was (and still is) for racks.
I came here to decide between Echo System and Timeline…. And walked away with the FF-1Y I don’t know what it was exactly, but the first time it’s played at 33:15 is just stunning. The ping pong, clarity, slight modulation… everything. It just nails what I wanted in a “simple” but robust delay pedal. Coming tomorrow. Super pumped. Thanks guys!
Just some thoughts about the lack of screen on the echosystem... I’ve had the echosystem since pretty close to when it came out. I’ve played many gigs with it now. I find that during gigs, the lack of screen isn’t an issue. For a while, I used the “bank preset system” with an external tap tempo. So that gives you 3 presets hot and ready, and fairly clear indication of which bank/preset you’re in/using. Eventually I wanted to be able to access more than 6 presets (2 banks of 3 presets each). At that point, if you’re using that many presets, then you probably want some kind of MIDI controller. You’d also probably want a more clear way of indicating the currently selected preset-a screen. Luckily many MIDI controllers have a screen so really, the only pain is when you’re playing around trying to find a sound... Although I’ve had a number of happy accidents where I find a really awesome sound when I’m looking for something specific, sometimes you just want to get the specific sound and play the damn song/part. That’s when it can be really useful to just have the engines and thing 1&2 parameter mappings memorized (or a screen) especially for the less conventional delay types/modes. Also, the advanced configuration is awesome because it allows for a lot of flexibility, but most of the time (even after over 2 years) I still need to double check the manual to make sure I’m changing the thing I think I’m changing... I had to google it during sound check once... I wanted to turn the cab sim on because the amp went down. I got it figured out just in time, but having a screen would’ve been much less stressful. I guess what I’m saying is that it can be inconvenient at times, but the sounds and features are just so damn good. It’s been the only pedal in the last two years that has never left my board. My advice to someone considering the echosystem but is intimidated by the manual-diving etc.: if you have the attention span to read this whole comment then you’ll do just fine.
I am considering replacing my EHX Grand Canyon by a more high end delay in few months time. And definelty the echosystem is on the short list. But I have to replace my reverb first and the order is passed for the Empress reverb. Such a great pedal company.
I agree. Used Timeline since it came out and the Empress kicked it off my main board and to a smaller grab and go board. The Echosystem, for me, just brings more to the table.
Yes, on page 14 in the DD-500 manual, you can Extend the Analog Delay Time. The repeats get even darker and more degraded = similar to the EHX Memory Man or the Analogman ARDX 20.
Man who remembers plugging in the big Reticon chips? Came up on a couple of those in pill containers in foam beds, in a tackle box the other day. I had the first incarnation of jam man in a rack mount... Wild Jimi Hendrix backwards solos so long ago
It's golden times for us guitarists. There is such a mass of pedals in every genre to choose of. Even affordable pedals come very close and do a good job for the average guitarist. ...and what comes to my mind writing this: What are we driven by to chase for the perfect sound, wich never exists? Are we trying to get a piece of the fame and abilities of so called "guitar gods" instead of practicing more and create our own sound? I own about 8 or 9 Trem pedals and every time a new one pops up i think "Maybe it's better than my other ones?" Is the newest Overdrive maybe "better" than the other 1500 that already exist or the 10 i already own? What is it what i'm driven by? Covering my own disabilities of my playing? No, i don't know why i'm in such a philosophical mood. 😎
Strymon managed to figure out very early on that analog dry through, large quantity of presets and high-quality DSP algorithms were going to be the new big thing for pedals. I have been a Timeline owner for about 3 years now and every time I use it it is just the exact sound I have in my head and is a serious tool in the studio. Kudos to Strymon, they really changed the world of Pedals.
Never bonded with a Timeline. It sounds great, it has tons of features, but every time I play it I'm like "Wow, cool!" and after five minutes either switch to playing without delay or switch to my analog delay that does just a small percentage of what Strymon can do, yet I can spend a lot of time playing it. To me Timeline is not an inspiration machine, but a workhorse that could handle all my delay needs (and a looper too) if I'd play in three bands of different musical genres. But for writing my own songs it just doesn't work somehow, though I really want to love it.
Couldn't agree more, had the exact same reaction. Ended up just leaving it on one or two settings, then selling it. Ended up going back to the ARDX20, and now switched to the Thermae from Chase Bliss, with a Mood and Blooper doing second and third delay options when needed. Found them just more inspiring and can get all the sounds I liked from the Timeline without all the menu tweaking.
The Timeline has become the SM57 of delays. They’ll always be around no matter what else comes out. Hardly anyone will ever be disappointed because they bought it. I have my Echosystem much to do because of your initial videos on it years ago. Love it. A bit complicated, but it is incredible.
I don't know what everyone else is talking about, I'm still stuck on Andy Timmons may have a signature delay coming out 😯 As far as Timeline, sold it for DD500. More options than about anything out there. Would love to play the Free The Tone Future Factory one day though.
AFAIK Andy just used a couple of old finicky memory mans. Now if they can get a new pedal to sound like those old beat up beautiful delays I’d buy it. It would be even more amazing if it was Electro Harmonix! Half analog half digital.
@@xthexadvantagex Yeah, he did. He always used 2 with modulation set for that 1/4 note and dotted 8th thing. But that's part of what has me curious. Will it be a digital pedal, or an analog stereo dual modulated memory man style delay pedal. Definitely interested to find out.
EQ on the Timeline...there is a High Pass filter available on most modes to cut low end, (stepped settings between 20 & 900 Hz). It is in a submenu. Delays will lose bottom end as they trail out, if you want to do that. ALSO, Filter doesn’t just darken. It does do that till about 2:00. But as you approach 2:00, ‘the low end is progressively reduced and and some highs are added back in to create an EQ curve similar to a tape delay the when the knob is at the maximum position.’ See the manual page 4 for details (Revision F or later). I did not know about this for YEARS, discovered it in a forum conversation last year. Glad I did; gives you more options!
Dan, on the Echosystem - you wanted the knob to change the delay time, you have to press SHIFT & Tap to change the blinking light to Green. Then the knob up top is continuously variable delay time :)
Thanks for revisiting mega delays! Delays are never boring, are they. And the winner is... Strymon Volante! I hate menus/screens, and the Volante gives me everything I need: precise delay time by midi; multi-head, drum, tape snd pristine digital, awesome spring reverb, and of course stereo ins and outs. Cheers!
The Timeline totally has a Dual engine that can be set in Series or Parallel. Not sure how or why Dan said it doesn’t. Pattern is not the only option for dual delays on it.
One of the things I love about the dd-500, is that you can set the dual delays to he either in serial or parallel, per preset pair...so, 01A and 01B can be in serial (one feeding into the other) and 02A and 02B can be in parallel for a whole different delay sound. :)
TimeLine does have dual delay lines. Its one of the Engines, strangely enough its called "Dual". Top panel right above Digital. PARALLEL sends delays 1 and 2 to Left and Right respectively if using stereo out.
@@ThatPedalShow TPS: 'Pretty sure it doesn't make coffees or teas for you while you play'. Commenter: 'Actually if you split the first menu into the return of the effects send and override the flux capacitor it'll make tea, coffee and throw in an iced vo-vo for good measure'.
Yup. Got it recently in Midnight Black. Swithered over the Boss-DD 200/500. Looked at Empress, Free the Tone models. Surprisingly contra to what others say, I actually found the Timeline to be far easier to navigate with main parameters more easily tweaked at a pinch. Plus I had a Night Sky so... Good marriage so far. Thanks guys. Good Tidings in Christmas 2022!
Remember watching this when it was fresh & it was awesome then & now it’s maybe even far more awesome, these two are soooo underrated for guitarists/tone band members establishment etc etc art, knowledge,fun
Two additional things I love about my DD-500 are 1) the ability to control the stereo mix of wet/dry and also dual delays, and 2) editing software that lets you design/edit/organize/backup everything from your laptop. And you can’t beat that info rich display.
The only thing I have found that has tempted me to "make do" as someone who won't ever afford to have a Timeline and Bigsky.. is the Dispatch Master... which shocks even me, because it has basically no features and 1 switch, on or off.. but it just sounds so so good.
Strymon pedals are top!!! I sold all my reverbs, delays and modulation pedals to get 3 top Pedals for all! :-) Started with Mobius... and one day I tried BigSky, and I saw the light. Timeline changed my way to listen and use delay pedals since it was so pure and unique. Neve gonna sold or change anything... till some beats then, which i find very difficult. Cheers from Portugal!
Started with a small box flashback - went with the DD500 and am quite happy with it. In the end it was a question of price (happy you pointed this out). As far as bang for the buck the DD500 is hard to beat ... as perhaps the most clear direct competitor to the Timeline in terms of features and ease of use at 2/3 the price ...
Cant see the hole show, after 30min I have to stop, because it so inspired that I have to play with my several delays for more than 90min before I finished watching:-) great!!! So much fun thumbs up
After I watched this one I bought a dd500, after massive disappointment for a few days I got the Timeline! The Timeline is the one for me in the studio.
Exactly. That delay covers all your needs for a delay in a studio. All the rest are just variations, that are good to have if, you have the cash. Lost of choices these days.
I have the Strymon's for six years. no brakeage no electronic faults been with me on Gigs everywhere. The Strymon Timeline - BigSky - Mobius are the holy trinity.
Love my Strymon TimeLine. Been using the Tape mode most of the time. And added in every tape type pedals from Strymon. Deco, Volante, and the BigSky Magneto mode. Tape goodness for days!
Sorry for the confusion. I meant I’m using my TimeLine on tape engine together with other Strymon pedals. the Volante, Deco tape saturation, and BigSky on the magneto mode. All 4 simulating tape machines.
The FF seems in some ways similar to the new Strymon Night Sky. I mean, the FF does to delay what the NS does to reverb. You start with a sort of “base” delay sound pristine digital), and have the means to sonically manipulate any of several parameters to create the delay(s) you want. It’s the ultimate delay playground.
Hey Guys, first things first - thank you for talking me into a Timeline a year or so ago. One of the best pedal choices I ever made. I think what is still great about it, is that not only the sound is really, really good, but that the UI is in my opinion the perfect mix of ease of use and access to „hidden“ features. Secondary functions or GUI-Navigation for me tend to take the attention away from the sound itself. Same thing with digital multiampsimulationmachines. Technology tends to get in the way of your inspiration, if your mind works differently than the tools you`re using. That said - at that pricepoint, all of those pedals should have a sound that is at least near to perfect - what matters is how your mind is adapting to one or the other - just as you proved :-). Cheers!
As an Empress Echosystem customer, I can say, the main big feature is the dual delay machine. Also, for small and medium pedalboard setups, you can do stereo or wet/dry on the fly, just by changing a preset because the Echosystem can route two lines (like a mixer). So, you cancel the sound for one channel by lowering the volume on the delay machine (either right or left) and you're having just one amp... Or changing from stereo to wet dry by just changing a preset where you put 0% delay time and feedback on one side and full wet effects on the another channel. My preferred setup is a left side digital delay, and a wet pitched delay (with a long tempo) on the second channel. I'm not being good using the looper because my big feets, lol. I hope for an update or something alike. I really wish the Empress Reverb or the Strymon Big Sky be a dual reverb pedal. Of course, I think that delays with multimachine delays focus on bringing many effects, but probably them don't replace a specific delay or echo from a pedal (or a tape machine). And the first thing to do on the Echosystem: Going into the setup, and turn to 0 dB the pad input, so the signal will not be attenuated (like for keyboards or so).
I have the echo system only because there’s something kinda cool about how it looks, pretty easy to use, how it works and sounds. And using midi with it really steps it up, plus there is a looper with an update. Excellent show guys! 👌🏽
I bought the empress reverb and echosystem and returned them a day later. Got the timeline and bigsky. For many reasons, the Strymon tone and feel is unmatched. Mostly though, it was due to to what you mentioned. It was beyond complicated and I just couldn’t deal with that. Happy to have my Strymons back.
to have had the Time Line and the echosytem today. the sound makes you forget the lack of screen. the difference in sound quality for me is really too important, not to mention the dual engine which allows almost limitless combinations of delay. on top of that, the ecosystem takes up half the space.
I like the way it sounds , but have the same concern. You could get a Selah Quartz to remedy that (and do Aimee other cleverness) but that’s lots of extra £
2290 was my go to years ago. Then I got a Timeline - It's fantastic. One thing about the Timeline is that it's sound is so recognisable when you hear it on so many recordings and film scores. It really is a classic that stands the test of time - it really is Timeless.
I know there's totally not enough time to cover everything in these pedals without the showing being 3 hours (yes please), but there is one thing I recently found while playing around with my DD-500 that I think Dan would really enjoy: If you go into the EQ parameters under the menu and turn up freq of your choosing (I enjoying doing it with the low band, but I think you can choose the specific freq in the mid band), depending on how you set the level and feedback, you can get some awesome feedback loops/self oscillation. I was playing around with it where I had the feedback low enough that it wouldn't oscillate, but had an expression pedal via midi adjusting the feedback level. So I sit back on the heal of the expression, and it sounds like a dark delay, and I crank it forward to the toe, and it starts going wild creating all sorts of noise. If you need something to cheer you up and make you smile during these dark quarantine days, that will definitely help...
Mick upgraded the firmware and also happily delved into a menu?! Who are you and what have you done with the real Mr Taylor? (also being a pedant, the Future Factory party tricks needs moving back on the timeline in the chapters, and the DD500 putting where the FTT is)
Great show, guys. I just wanted to make a couple of observations about the DD-500: - If you switch the stage parameter on the analog delay to "4096x4," you can get a lot longer delay time. - If you configure the A+B+C switches to have the Dual setting, you can get 6 delays going at the same time. Glorious insanity. >:D
I was wondering the same thing lately... still the king !! Love the Volante, but it don't overlap the Timeline in the ease of use, mainly due to the lack of screen. You're doing more and more Stereo rig, instead of Wet/Dry.... Love it ahahah
Picked up the FF after watching this episode. Nothing like it. The fidelity is amazing. Fantastic pedal. Stereo dual delays are on another level. Don’t discount it as a mono/series device. Infinitive tweakability. I’ve had fun with my H9’s but they’ll be relegated to the “out there” stuff and reverbs.
Loving my DD-500 = infinite tone-shaping & tweak-ability. You can do some deep-dive editing, and get most Any Delay Sound you can ever want or need. Boss has always done fantastic Delay pedals. I also use a Big Sky & F.T.T. Tri-Avatar Chorus. So many great choices & options. Stay Safe.
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I love this for so many reasons but as a musician that pays his bills as a UX/UI designer - I would LOOOOOOOVE to dive into the user experience and interface of pedals and how much of a role that plays in selection. When the field is level, it really does come down to what the player is looking for.
100 per cent this! I do a bit of moonlighting outside of TPS for stuff you’ll never see my name on. DD-500, 100 per cent because I can use it fast. And for that reason only. Mick here.
After getting back into guitar playing and pedals for awhile, this channel has been very helpful and informative in my exploration in pedals and sounds. I have had the Empress Zoia for longer than that. I realize the Zoia is kind of not so much in line with the content of your show as it is so flexible but requires a lot of learning. And so many people are using it for more than just effects. Your content is so interesting that I still get drawn in by your shows even as I am thinking about what the Zoia/Euroburo and Poly Hector could do here.. This latest one that I have watched has put so much of what is out there in context of the past and more recent delay type pedals. Great stuff. I know I will be watching more future and past content.
this is the one I have not tried yet and have no reference, really need to check one out since nothing has yet removed the timeline for me (with regard to fidelity, noise, sounds, design)
I'm a Chorus junkie (having played in a Rush tribute band) & their Tri Avatar is the Best Sounding Chorus I have ever heard. (no seasick pitch warble). I can get that Alex Lifeson Sound, but also Sounds Heavenly for my Acoustic gig's. F.T.T. makes top-of-the-line stuff.
They’re all great...I do enjoy the mash function on the tape setting of the TC (from personal experience), but the fidelity on that Free the Tone was unreal. In fact, the FTT is the only one I haven’t played or owned and it was super cool. I dunno, they all rule. Great job per usual and thank you for always putting so much time and effort into inspiring episodes. I hope you’re well, stay safe. All Love, Aaron
This show, you guys, are the reason I bought a TimeLine. I have since sold it, but only because, like Mick, I struggle with menus. But I bought an ARP-87 because of you as well, and it’s simple and I love it. Sometimes throw a Carbon Copy on as well. I never liked delay before and didn’t get it. But because of this show, I understand and I also know what I like. I like simple and use it almost like a reverb, because I’m not a big fan of reverb as an effect on a pedalboard. A spring, like in my Mesa is great. A delay into my Tweed Deluxe is my favorite. Thanks for doing this show and most of all thanks for teaching me about delay, I really enjoy it now. Much love from Tulsa.
Nice! That’s awesome Eric, thank you. All we care about is that people are inspired by sound - not by what’s ‘best’. We have to do the dumb titles to get anyone to click on it. Hopefully some of those who do can start to uncover some kind of path to sound and inspiration. As you know, we have no answers but hopefully we posed a better question or two. THANK YOU for being with us! Mick here!
@@ThatPedalShow thanks Mick and Dan. You guys, I’m sure you know, have inspired more than just me. The titles are always great and fit. I don’t think anyone would accuse you for selling out, and if they did, they have no idea what is going on, on your channel. You guys have taught me more than just delay, and most of all, you’ve taught me there is no best. I learned to stop listening with my wallet and eyes, started using my ears and found what I like. You guys help me to know what things do and what to listen for. Cheers.
I think the genius of the tc Flashback is how much of all of this is dished up in a small, analogue dry through, stereo package complete with a switchable buffer. Instant interaction but no end of tweaking if you like to find it.
Buying a Timeline. Strymon just has my ear, I've fallen in love with my Mobius nothing else comes close with the balance of features and options. Looking forward to using the Timeline in my rig. Great video!
Thanks gents, that's 80 mins I'll never get back but time very well spent. Suffice to say, Strymon were well ahead of their Time(Line) but the Free The Tone sounds like my Future (Factory).
I hate to the the bearer of bad news but you're not getting any of your minutes back.... The plus side is that you can use your minutes to be happy and TPS is definitely the right place for that
I've got a Nemesis and it's very nice and all, but there's just something magical about those slightly imperfect and gritty old Line6 algoritms.. They're still going strong within my HX Stomp!
With the DD-500, if you change the stage on the Analog setting, you can get longer delay times. Great stuff as usual guys. I love my DD-500 but theres no doubt that all of these delays sound great.
For some weeks I had both the timeline and the Echosystem, finally I chose by far the Echosystem due to quality of sound, engine modes and creativity. There is something in the timeline (incredible pedal anyway) that is like ambient/verb sound that applies to all the modes etc so it felt for me much more monotonous than the echosysten. Just a modest opinion as I am talking as a regular home player ;) thank you for your channel!! Love it!
Great episode! I'm hopelessly stuck on the Carbon Copy though. I know it's cheap and plain and boring compared to these splendid delay units, but there's something about that murky, dark, modulated sound that's just great. It's like a delay, a reverb and a chorus at the same time. MXR just nailed it with that thing.
The carbon copy and the echo plex will never leave my board. Carbon copy for slap back and mod and echo plex for the aged warbley, if that's a word, slower delay. The flashback x4 does the rest that I need. To me, nothing sounds as good as an echo plex.
In my wet/dry/wet setup the DD500 wins hands down. Dual discrete IO allows me to use it in the left and right wet amps FX loops without the signals being summed like the Timeline. Along with the RV500 it's a very versatile rig. Boss could make it a bit easier to program, but I've been using their wonky menus for so long when I got these it was like seeing a long lost friend. :) Cheers!
Guys, I have an old Brazilian-made Oliver (by Roland) DR-1000 rack mount digital reverb that I got in the early 90s. It does the shimmer thing. Nobody talked about "shimmer" at the time, but it did it then, and -- of course -- still does it.
If I had to pick one of those it's the Empress hands down. Personally, I like the idea of the Volante more. A strong engine dedicated to a couple very specific amazing sounds.
I have a Boss DD-200. I don't use it enough and have barely touched the sides. Like to use it instead of Reverb or with the Phase 90. Now I'm inspired to dive deeper. Cheers guys.
There’s a setting in the Analog mode on the DD-500 that lets “add more chips” which gives you more time. Took me forever to figure it out but I noticed an analog preset that had longer time. The tape and drum modes have hidden multi-head modes as well.
@@ThatPedalShow It drove me crazy for a good long while. In the end I didn’t keep it and I’ve tried the timeline a couple of times but ended up selling it as well. I find that end up fiddling with knobs too much or I’ll just cycle through the presets and play a couple of lines and move to the next one (I do that with multi-effects). I don’t find that they make me very creative musically. I seem to be overwhelmed with the options I guess. The Volante has worked better for me I guess because everything I need is in front of me.
Timeline is so usable live, always adds to what I'm doing and never gets in the way. It is extremely rare that I ever turn it off. I setup a preset per song, normally a quiet low mix reverby type sound or slapback and then a higher mix more prominent delay effect on B foot switch. This brings me to a few things that timeline isn't good for.. there isn't a option for a pristine rhythmic delay, think Boss style bouncy digital. So I run either a DD7 or DD200 stacked w timeline for that sound. Timeline always wants to diffuse into reverb that ducks below the guitar. The boss delays get very rhythmic and pulse to the beat without losing fidelity as the repeats fade, stacked they kick ass. The last complaint I have w timeline are the stereo features, and I think this is how the timeline will eventually be bested. The timeline doesn't really offer ping-pong or panning delays. They all sound excellent in stereo w a broad image but it the sound seems to never bounce back and forth. Strymon Dig mastered this, Boss Delays handle true stereo in an interesting way as well. Timeline is still king in my world though!!!
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it but it was Brian Eno that came up with the shimmer effect. Great job, guys! P.S. Again, sorry if previously mentioned, but the Pigtronix Echolution 2 Ultra Pro and Filter Pro has dry through and MIDI. I have the Filter Pro and it is excellent.
Congratulations on 250k. That being said, I’m curious why the channel hasn’t reached the heights of some of the other guitar channels out there. Do you have insight into this? It’s ultimately just numbers, and obviously not the reason why you all do what you do, I just feel like you do it better than anyone and yet you’re in some cases millions behind others within the niche. This is my first comment (have watched since 2016) and it’s a little bit of a downer, sorry! I love your work! My best to the entire TPS family.
I think what makes others get lots of views is that they do shorter, easier to digest videos. This channel does longer, more in depth/existential videos. I love both forms and I fully believe there’s a need for both.
This video really made me still want the Timeline so I ordered it! I think second is Future Factory even though that delay OD sounds terrible, then Echo System, then DD-500.
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I swear, That Pedal Show has cost me more money than any other channel on TH-cam.
The timeline might be the king but the dd-500 is surely the boss
And the Echo System is the empress, surely
Zing!
DD-500 might be the boss, but the Memory Boy is the... boy?
Corny
@@wulf67 But not a man.
I sold my timeline a few months ago after owning one for almost 7 years. Went down a rabbit hole of delay pedals and came out of it with a newly purchased timeline as of 2 days ago 😂. It’s that good. I didn’t realize how much id miss the simplicity of work flow and how awesome it sounds.
That pedal show, is still king of pedal shows for sure.
Ah bless you!
Watching this with my 6 day old son asleep on my chest. Thanks for keeping me sane!
Cheers! My young 10 month old has seen / heard many a TPS
congrats, Will! My kiddos love watching/listening to TPS too :)
@@danbrazieruk cheers Dan!
Congrats brother !!! Your son is off to a good start
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Thanks for asking me chaps! Great video. Honestly I really really liked the free the tone!
But, yeah, to migrate from my beloved timeline and all my presets.... I don’t know if I have the energy hahah!
Thanks again! Much love ❤️
looking great Rabea!
What reverb are you pointing to on your board? Is it a Strymon as well?
@@niebuhrsongs Bea runs the "Stryfecta" I think. Big Sky, Timeline and Mobius.
Dang, Rabea! Where did the rest of you go? If intentional, great job. If not, get to a doctor quick!! LOL
Normal people: what a 1 hour and 20 min TH-cam video 😡
That Pedal Show viewers: YAASSS over an hour of awesomeness 😁
Thank you!
@@ThatPedalShow I watch while I’m working in Calgary, and it’s the best way to start my day on Fridays. And almost an hour and a half?? Bonus!!
I thought exactly the same thing
TPS fans: Hour 20!? is that all? 😉
Gotta love this show.. 1+ hour of video, 15 minutes of acutal information. lol
I’ve been a Timeline user since it came out. Hundreds of gigs and it’s never let me down! I’ve tried a few other more recent releases and nothing has kicked it off my board. There’s a certain thing that the tape algorithm does when running stereo that I just can’t live without 👌🏼
Dude you’re the reason I use it! I remember coming into your room back in Guildford hearing you have it set up in stereo. Blew my mind!
I totally get You. Same dTape camp, here ;-) The way the delay repeats sound and can be set really ambient with Filter and Grit knobs... There is something magical in it. That feature alone is making this unit worth the money.
@@RabeaMassaad Ah yes! I'd forgotten about that. Can't believe the pedal has been out for nearly 10 years!
One of the reasons I so completely enjoy TPS is watching how much fun you two have geeking out over pedals and getting to partake a bit in that fun. The fact that these shows are also highly informative makes everything you all do just fabulous. Thanks!
Thank you Andreas, glad you enjoy it!
I’ve owned the Timeline for about 7 years . Gigged it weekly for that entire time. I only scrape the surface of what it can do and only use about 3-4 delay sounds regularly. However, it’s worth owning and will probably never leave my board because, besides having excellent standard delay tones, I also like to use it as an inspiration generator at home by using its unique delay sounds and looper. I don’t ever see myself needing another delay pedal.....ever. The Timeline is now a timeless classic, it’ll always be regarded as a game changer for pedal boards, much like the 2290 was (and still is) for racks.
I came here to decide between Echo System and Timeline…. And walked away with the FF-1Y
I don’t know what it was exactly, but the first time it’s played at 33:15 is just stunning. The ping pong, clarity, slight modulation… everything. It just nails what I wanted in a “simple” but robust delay pedal. Coming tomorrow. Super pumped. Thanks guys!
We feel the same way about it, there’s just something in it
Just some thoughts about the lack of screen on the echosystem...
I’ve had the echosystem since pretty close to when it came out. I’ve played many gigs with it now. I find that during gigs, the lack of screen isn’t an issue. For a while, I used the “bank preset system” with an external tap tempo. So that gives you 3 presets hot and ready, and fairly clear indication of which bank/preset you’re in/using.
Eventually I wanted to be able to access more than 6 presets (2 banks of 3 presets each). At that point, if you’re using that many presets, then you probably want some kind of MIDI controller. You’d also probably want a more clear way of indicating the currently selected preset-a screen. Luckily many MIDI controllers have a screen so really, the only pain is when you’re playing around trying to find a sound...
Although I’ve had a number of happy accidents where I find a really awesome sound when I’m looking for something specific, sometimes you just want to get the specific sound and play the damn song/part. That’s when it can be really useful to just have the engines and thing 1&2 parameter mappings memorized (or a screen) especially for the less conventional delay types/modes.
Also, the advanced configuration is awesome because it allows for a lot of flexibility, but most of the time (even after over 2 years) I still need to double check the manual to make sure I’m changing the thing I think I’m changing... I had to google it during sound check once... I wanted to turn the cab sim on because the amp went down. I got it figured out just in time, but having a screen would’ve been much less stressful.
I guess what I’m saying is that it can be inconvenient at times, but the sounds and features are just so damn good. It’s been the only pedal in the last two years that has never left my board.
My advice to someone considering the echosystem but is intimidated by the manual-diving etc.: if you have the attention span to read this whole comment then you’ll do just fine.
I am considering replacing my EHX Grand Canyon by a more high end delay in few months time. And definelty the echosystem is on the short list. But I have to replace my reverb first and the order is passed for the Empress reverb. Such a great pedal company.
I agree. Used Timeline since it came out and the Empress kicked it off my main board and to a smaller grab and go board. The Echosystem, for me, just brings more to the table.
Great summary, thanks for that
I skipped through your post. Should I skip the echosystem as well?
I read the comment and I’m ADD 😂
The epic delay pedal series you did years back lead me to buy a dd-500 and it's been the king for me ever since. So much more than just a delay
On the analog delay engine of the boss DD500, you just change the "Stage" parameter to "4096x4"and the delay time gets longer :)
Came here to say this!
Yes, on page 14 in the DD-500 manual, you can Extend the Analog Delay Time. The repeats get even darker and more degraded = similar to the EHX Memory Man or the Analogman ARDX 20.
Yes - its to simulate adding multiple BBD chips i.e. single one for 300ms, more for longer times but more filtering etc
Man who remembers plugging in the big Reticon chips? Came up on a couple of those in pill containers in foam beds, in a tackle box the other day. I had the first incarnation of jam man in a rack mount... Wild Jimi Hendrix backwards solos so long ago
Longer like infinite without going crazy? I mean constant and stable?
It's golden times for us guitarists.
There is such a mass of pedals in every genre to choose of. Even affordable pedals come very close and do a good job for the average guitarist.
...and what comes to my mind writing this:
What are we driven by to chase for the perfect sound, wich never exists? Are we trying to get a piece of the fame and abilities of so called "guitar gods" instead of practicing more and create our own sound? I own about 8 or 9 Trem pedals and every time a new one pops up i think "Maybe it's better than my other ones?"
Is the newest Overdrive maybe "better" than the other 1500 that already exist or the 10 i already own?
What is it what i'm driven by? Covering my own disabilities of my playing?
No, i don't know why i'm in such a philosophical mood. 😎
And there was me worried about why I own 4 chorus pedals, I shall sleep easier tonight thank you.
Strymon managed to figure out very early on that analog dry through, large quantity of presets and high-quality DSP algorithms were going to be the new big thing for pedals. I have been a Timeline owner for about 3 years now and every time I use it it is just the exact sound I have in my head and is a serious tool in the studio. Kudos to Strymon, they really changed the world of Pedals.
Man I remember that initial demo video for the Timeline - that set a whole new standard for what a humble "gear demo" could be.
Whether it is or it isn’t, it has certainly stood the test of time.
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@@EpicStuffMan1000 beat me to the punch! 😂
Bravo! Sir!
Agreed. Although, TBH, 10 years is not a very long period of time. Now stuff like the FuzzFace... :P :)
I was very impressed with the flashback x4
Never bonded with a Timeline. It sounds great, it has tons of features, but every time I play it I'm like "Wow, cool!" and after five minutes either switch to playing without delay or switch to my analog delay that does just a small percentage of what Strymon can do, yet I can spend a lot of time playing it.
To me Timeline is not an inspiration machine, but a workhorse that could handle all my delay needs (and a looper too) if I'd play in three bands of different musical genres. But for writing my own songs it just doesn't work somehow, though I really want to love it.
Kind of have a similar experience with the timeline
Couldn't agree more, had the exact same reaction. Ended up just leaving it on one or two settings, then selling it. Ended up going back to the ARDX20, and now switched to the Thermae from Chase Bliss, with a Mood and Blooper doing second and third delay options when needed. Found them just more inspiring and can get all the sounds I liked from the Timeline without all the menu tweaking.
I agreed! Just got timeline and bigsky today and it was amazing but make me less playing.
Same
@@AndrewNuttall I love the Thermae, just picked one up a few months ago.
The Timeline has become the SM57 of delays. They’ll always be around no matter what else comes out. Hardly anyone will ever be disappointed because they bought it.
I have my Echosystem much to do because of your initial videos on it years ago. Love it. A bit complicated, but it is incredible.
I don't know what everyone else is talking about, I'm still stuck on Andy Timmons may have a signature delay coming out 😯 As far as Timeline, sold it for DD500. More options than about anything out there. Would love to play the Free The Tone Future Factory one day though.
AFAIK Andy just used a couple of old finicky memory mans. Now if they can get a new pedal to sound like those old beat up beautiful delays I’d buy it.
It would be even more amazing if it was Electro Harmonix! Half analog half digital.
Whatever Andy does ends up great. Just sayin. Can’t wait to see what it may be.
@@xthexadvantagex Yeah, he did. He always used 2 with modulation set for that 1/4 note and dotted 8th thing. But that's part of what has me curious. Will it be a digital pedal, or an analog stereo dual modulated memory man style delay pedal. Definitely interested to find out.
I wouldn't be surprised if the company in question is JHS.
@@MrEdsousa That was my first thought.
EQ on the Timeline...there is a High Pass filter available on most modes to cut low end, (stepped settings between 20 & 900 Hz). It is in a submenu. Delays will lose bottom end as they trail out, if you want to do that.
ALSO, Filter doesn’t just darken. It does do that till about 2:00. But as you approach 2:00, ‘the low end is progressively reduced and and some highs are added back in to create an EQ curve similar to a tape delay the when the knob is at the maximum position.’ See the manual page 4 for details (Revision F or later). I did not know about this for YEARS, discovered it in a forum conversation last year. Glad I did; gives you more options!
Dan, on the Echosystem - you wanted the knob to change the delay time, you have to press SHIFT & Tap to change the blinking light to Green. Then the knob up top is continuously variable delay time :)
That's exactly the problem with the EchoSsytem ! I love so much the sound, but can't user interface...
Thanks for revisiting mega delays! Delays are never boring, are they. And the winner is... Strymon Volante! I hate menus/screens, and the Volante gives me everything I need: precise delay time by midi; multi-head, drum, tape snd pristine digital, awesome spring reverb, and of course stereo ins and outs. Cheers!
The Timeline totally has a Dual engine that can be set in Series or Parallel. Not sure how or why Dan said it doesn’t. Pattern is not the only option for dual delays on it.
One of the things I love about the dd-500, is that you can set the dual delays to he either in serial or parallel, per preset pair...so, 01A and 01B can be in serial (one feeding into the other) and 02A and 02B can be in parallel for a whole different delay sound. :)
Niiiiice!
TimeLine does have dual delay lines. Its one of the Engines, strangely enough its called "Dual". Top panel right above Digital. PARALLEL sends delays 1 and 2 to Left and Right respectively if using stereo out.
Hahaha!
@@ThatPedalShow TPS: 'Pretty sure it doesn't make coffees or teas for you while you play'. Commenter: 'Actually if you split the first menu into the return of the effects send and override the flux capacitor it'll make tea, coffee and throw in an iced vo-vo for good measure'.
Yup. Got it recently in Midnight Black. Swithered over the Boss-DD 200/500. Looked at Empress, Free the Tone models. Surprisingly contra to what others say, I actually found the Timeline to be far easier to navigate with main parameters more easily tweaked at a pinch.
Plus I had a Night Sky so... Good marriage so far.
Thanks guys.
Good Tidings in Christmas 2022!
Thanks for the ❤. Still don't know how to tweek the bastard properly but thats why I love her.
I'm still a DD3 guy(and probably dont use to full potential), but is so cool to hear someone who can play with delays like this 👏👏👏
@Daniel Hall you need both...dd3 after dm2 so you can delay the oscillations
I’m with Dan on this one - Timeline is intuitive and informative, perfectly balanced depth and ease, and of course sounds amazing.
Remember watching this when it was fresh & it was awesome then & now it’s maybe even far more awesome, these two are soooo underrated for guitarists/tone band members establishment etc etc art, knowledge,fun
Thanks Tony 🙏
Two additional things I love about my DD-500 are 1) the ability to control the stereo mix of wet/dry and also dual delays, and 2) editing software that lets you design/edit/organize/backup everything from your laptop. And you can’t beat that info rich display.
Good shout!
The only thing I have found that has tempted me to "make do" as someone who won't ever afford to have a Timeline and Bigsky.. is the Dispatch Master... which shocks even me, because it has basically no features and 1 switch, on or off.. but it just sounds so so good.
Owned an El Cap, AD900/99, Timeline, FX8, and a dozen or so more delay pedals. Now own the FtT FF. Couldn't be happier. Great video.
I love my dd500. My mate uses a line 6 hx effects just for delays. Sounds great!
Strymon pedals are top!!! I sold all my reverbs, delays and modulation pedals to get 3 top Pedals for all! :-) Started with Mobius... and one day I tried BigSky, and I saw the light. Timeline changed my way to listen and use delay pedals since it was so pure and unique. Neve gonna sold or change anything... till some beats then, which i find very difficult. Cheers from Portugal!
When I put the Timeline on my board it just became the centerpise of it. It's never going away.
Best show on TH-cam then and now. Thanks for everything you guys do.
Started with a small box flashback - went with the DD500 and am quite happy with it. In the end it was a question of price (happy you pointed this out). As far as bang for the buck the DD500 is hard to beat ... as perhaps the most clear direct competitor to the Timeline in terms of features and ease of use at 2/3 the price ...
I totally agree. Mick here.
Cant see the hole show, after 30min I have to stop, because it so inspired that I have to play with my several delays for more than 90min before I finished watching:-) great!!! So much fun thumbs up
Yes! Best result!
After I watched this one I bought a dd500, after massive disappointment for a few days I got the Timeline!
The Timeline is the one for me in the studio.
Exactly. That delay covers all your needs for a delay in a studio. All the rest are just variations, that are good to have if, you have the cash. Lost of choices these days.
what was wrong with DD-500? I'm using mine for 2 years already and it does exactly what I need. Slightly modulated delays with adjustable BPM
You finally mentioned my favorite delay pedal, the Pigtronix Echolution 2! Thanks gents. Keep up the good work and stay healthy.
Fancied a timeline, went for a DD500 and have a volante running alongside it. Covers everything for me. Great video guys as usual!
I have the Strymon's for six years. no brakeage no electronic faults been with me on Gigs everywhere. The Strymon Timeline - BigSky - Mobius are the holy trinity.
Love my Strymon TimeLine. Been using the Tape mode most of the time. And added in every tape type pedals from Strymon. Deco, Volante, and the BigSky Magneto mode. Tape goodness for days!
Not sure what your comment is saying. Can you add Volante presets and features into the timeline?
Sorry for the confusion. I meant I’m using my TimeLine on tape engine together with other Strymon pedals. the Volante, Deco tape saturation, and BigSky on the magneto mode. All 4 simulating tape machines.
Jesus Christ. I've been away from this show for months. Finally getting back into it. God I've missed you guys!!!!!
Crucial timing, gentlemen. This is the very dragon I'm chasing at the moment
Great review fellas. Thanks covering the most critical issues here.
The FF seems in some ways similar to the new Strymon Night Sky. I mean, the FF does to delay what the NS does to reverb. You start with a sort of “base” delay sound pristine digital), and have the means to sonically manipulate any of several parameters to create the delay(s) you want. It’s the ultimate delay playground.
Hey Guys, first things first - thank you for talking me into a Timeline a year or so ago. One of the best pedal choices I ever made. I think what is still great about it, is that not only the sound is really, really good, but that the UI is in my opinion the perfect mix of ease of use and access to „hidden“ features. Secondary functions or GUI-Navigation for me tend to take the attention away from the sound itself. Same thing with digital multiampsimulationmachines. Technology tends to get in the way of your inspiration, if your mind works differently than the tools you`re using. That said - at that pricepoint, all of those pedals should have a sound that is at least near to perfect - what matters is how your mind is adapting to one or the other - just as you proved :-). Cheers!
Mick describing the multi repeat tap function on the Echosystem as ‘dreadfully cool’ was cathartic as hell, just articulated perfectly the way I felt.
As an Empress Echosystem customer, I can say, the main big feature is the dual delay machine. Also, for small and medium pedalboard setups, you can do stereo or wet/dry on the fly, just by changing a preset because the Echosystem can route two lines (like a mixer).
So, you cancel the sound for one channel by lowering the volume on the delay machine (either right or left) and you're having just one amp... Or changing from stereo to wet dry by just changing a preset where you put 0% delay time and feedback on one side and full wet effects on the another channel.
My preferred setup is a left side digital delay, and a wet pitched delay (with a long tempo) on the second channel.
I'm not being good using the looper because my big feets, lol. I hope for an update or something alike.
I really wish the Empress Reverb or the Strymon Big Sky be a dual reverb pedal.
Of course, I think that delays with multimachine delays focus on bringing many effects, but probably them don't replace a specific delay or echo from a pedal (or a tape machine).
And the first thing to do on the Echosystem: Going into the setup, and turn to 0 dB the pad input, so the signal will not be attenuated (like for keyboards or so).
I have the echo system only because there’s something kinda cool about how it looks, pretty easy to use, how it works and sounds. And using midi with it really steps it up, plus there is a looper with an update. Excellent show guys! 👌🏽
I bought the empress reverb and echosystem and returned them a day later. Got the timeline and bigsky. For many reasons, the Strymon tone and feel is unmatched. Mostly though, it was due to to what you mentioned. It was beyond complicated and I just couldn’t deal with that. Happy to have my Strymons back.
The EchoSystem sounds incredible, but the lack of a screen is a real barrier for me.
Same opinion , the interface doesn't cut it imho
I am the exact opposite! To each their own :)
to have had the Time Line and the echosytem today. the sound makes you forget the lack of screen. the difference in sound quality for me is really too important, not to mention the dual engine which allows almost limitless combinations of delay. on top of that, the ecosystem takes up half the space.
I like the way it sounds , but have the same concern. You could get a Selah Quartz to remedy that (and do Aimee other cleverness) but that’s lots of extra £
It definitely requires a lot of secondary knob functions and button press combos. But it’s so lush.
2290 was my go to years ago. Then I got a Timeline - It's fantastic. One thing about the Timeline is that it's sound is so recognisable when you hear it on so many recordings and film scores. It really is a classic that stands the test of time - it really is Timeless.
Loved seeing Rhett, Bea, and Andy. More of that please! Also, I need the Free The Tone on my board asap, that thing sounds godly
I know there's totally not enough time to cover everything in these pedals without the showing being 3 hours (yes please), but there is one thing I recently found while playing around with my DD-500 that I think Dan would really enjoy:
If you go into the EQ parameters under the menu and turn up freq of your choosing (I enjoying doing it with the low band, but I think you can choose the specific freq in the mid band), depending on how you set the level and feedback, you can get some awesome feedback loops/self oscillation. I was playing around with it where I had the feedback low enough that it wouldn't oscillate, but had an expression pedal via midi adjusting the feedback level. So I sit back on the heal of the expression, and it sounds like a dark delay, and I crank it forward to the toe, and it starts going wild creating all sorts of noise.
If you need something to cheer you up and make you smile during these dark quarantine days, that will definitely help...
Mick upgraded the firmware and also happily delved into a menu?! Who are you and what have you done with the real Mr Taylor?
(also being a pedant, the Future Factory party tricks needs moving back on the timeline in the chapters, and the DD500 putting where the FTT is)
What in God's holy name are you blathering about?
Great show, guys. I just wanted to make a couple of observations about the DD-500:
- If you switch the stage parameter on the analog delay to "4096x4," you can get a lot longer delay time.
- If you configure the A+B+C switches to have the Dual setting, you can get 6 delays going at the same time. Glorious insanity. >:D
Thanks Dominic!
I was wondering the same thing lately... still the king !! Love the Volante, but it don't overlap the Timeline in the ease of use, mainly due to the lack of screen.
You're doing more and more Stereo rig, instead of Wet/Dry.... Love it ahahah
Picked up the FF after watching this episode. Nothing like it. The fidelity is amazing. Fantastic pedal. Stereo dual delays are on another level. Don’t discount it as a mono/series device. Infinitive tweakability. I’ve had fun with my H9’s but they’ll be relegated to the “out there” stuff and reverbs.
Loving my DD-500 = infinite tone-shaping & tweak-ability. You can do some deep-dive editing, and get most Any Delay Sound you can ever want or need. Boss has always done fantastic Delay pedals. I also use a Big Sky & F.T.T. Tri-Avatar Chorus. So many great choices & options. Stay Safe.
I love this for so many reasons but as a musician that pays his bills as a UX/UI designer - I would LOOOOOOOVE to dive into the user experience and interface of pedals and how much of a role that plays in selection. When the field is level, it really does come down to what the player is looking for.
100 per cent this! I do a bit of moonlighting outside of TPS for stuff you’ll never see my name on. DD-500, 100 per cent because I can use it fast. And for that reason only. Mick here.
It’s a close thing, but I think the DD500 has taken the title
Great show chaps That Pedal Show at it's best - the sheer bloody enjoyment of mucking around with delay pedals
The DD500 can also be run in Series, or Parnell. The Screen is so much better than the Timeline. Those two factors were a huge selling point for me.
After getting back into guitar playing and pedals for awhile, this channel has been very helpful and informative in my exploration in pedals and sounds. I have had the Empress Zoia for longer than that. I realize the Zoia is kind of not so much in line with the content of your show as it is so flexible but requires a lot of learning. And so many people are using it for more than just effects.
Your content is so interesting that I still get drawn in by your shows even as I am thinking about what the Zoia/Euroburo and Poly Hector could do here.. This latest one that I have watched has put so much of what is out there in context of the past and more recent delay type pedals. Great stuff. I know I will be watching more future and past content.
That Free The Tone sounds sooooooooooooo good. The fidelity seems to be a level up from the others.
Yep! That’s what we thought. :0)
this is the one I have not tried yet and have no reference, really need to check one out since nothing has yet removed the timeline for me (with regard to fidelity, noise, sounds, design)
Seriously how clean is that thing? And the tweakability, I reeeeeally want one now.
I'm a Chorus junkie (having played in a Rush tribute band) & their Tri Avatar is the Best Sounding Chorus I have ever heard. (no seasick pitch warble). I can get that Alex Lifeson Sound, but also Sounds Heavenly for my Acoustic gig's. F.T.T. makes top-of-the-line stuff.
@@dariusliadon sooooooooooo clean.
I’ve owned one, not really fan of too many parameters but if you have the patience and time; One of the best delays ever made
They’re all great...I do enjoy the mash function on the tape setting of the TC (from personal experience), but the fidelity on that Free the Tone was unreal. In fact, the FTT is the only one I haven’t played or owned and it was super cool. I dunno, they all rule. Great job per usual and thank you for always putting so much time and effort into inspiring episodes. I hope you’re well, stay safe.
All Love,
Aaron
This show, you guys, are the reason I bought a TimeLine. I have since sold it, but only because, like Mick, I struggle with menus. But I bought an ARP-87 because of you as well, and it’s simple and I love it. Sometimes throw a Carbon Copy on as well. I never liked delay before and didn’t get it. But because of this show, I understand and I also know what I like. I like simple and use it almost like a reverb, because I’m not a big fan of reverb as an effect on a pedalboard. A spring, like in my Mesa is great. A delay into my Tweed Deluxe is my favorite. Thanks for doing this show and most of all thanks for teaching me about delay, I really enjoy it now. Much love from Tulsa.
Nice! That’s awesome Eric, thank you. All we care about is that people are inspired by sound - not by what’s ‘best’. We have to do the dumb titles to get anyone to click on it. Hopefully some of those who do can start to uncover some kind of path to sound and inspiration. As you know, we have no answers but hopefully we posed a better question or two.
THANK YOU for being with us! Mick here!
@@ThatPedalShow thanks Mick and Dan. You guys, I’m sure you know, have inspired more than just me. The titles are always great and fit. I don’t think anyone would accuse you for selling out, and if they did, they have no idea what is going on, on your channel. You guys have taught me more than just delay, and most of all, you’ve taught me there is no best. I learned to stop listening with my wallet and eyes, started using my ears and found what I like. You guys help me to know what things do and what to listen for. Cheers.
I think the genius of the tc Flashback is how much of all of this is dished up in a small, analogue dry through, stereo package complete with a switchable buffer. Instant interaction but no end of tweaking if you like to find it.
Tce is absolute cheaply made trash
Buying a Timeline. Strymon just has my ear, I've fallen in love with my Mobius nothing else comes close with the balance of features and options. Looking forward to using the Timeline in my rig. Great video!
I was literally asking myself this earlier today. I seem to have joined the TPS hive mind
Awesome.
Totally agree with you about DD500 display... such a great feature.
I have had the Timeline for over nine years . If it broke I would buy another in a heart beat !
Thanks gents, that's 80 mins I'll never get back but time very well spent. Suffice to say, Strymon were well ahead of their Time(Line) but the Free The Tone sounds like my Future (Factory).
I hate to the the bearer of bad news but you're not getting any of your minutes back....
The plus side is that you can use your minutes to be happy and TPS is definitely the right place for that
*looks at old beaten road worn DL4*
Not today old friend
You’re still mine
I feel the same way about my dd-20 😕
I've got a Nemesis and it's very nice and all, but there's just something magical about those slightly imperfect and gritty old Line6 algoritms.. They're still going strong within my HX Stomp!
Handy party trick with the dd500 is to use it as an analog Tremolo pedal by modulating the dry signals level! Works pretty cool too !
With the DD-500, if you change the stage on the Analog setting, you can get longer delay times. Great stuff as usual guys. I love my DD-500 but theres no doubt that all of these delays sound great.
Ah. Thanks. I knew there was a way!
@@ThatPedalShow No problem, sir
Yes... I’ve tried ‘em all and have settled (once and for all) on the timeline. It is the Xerox of delay pedals!
Ordered the Future Factory a week ago. This validates my decision. 👍
It is ASTONISHING in my humble opinion. Mick here. Soooo inspiring.
For some weeks I had both the timeline and the Echosystem, finally I chose by far the Echosystem due to quality of sound, engine modes and creativity. There is something in the timeline (incredible pedal anyway) that is like ambient/verb sound that applies to all the modes etc so it felt for me much more monotonous than the echosysten. Just a modest opinion as I am talking as a regular home player ;) thank you for your channel!! Love it!
Good gear is great tone. Taste may change through the years but like the 808, Klon, Big Muff and many others, good tone will stand the test of time.
Yes! This is one of the reasons I love my Nord so much! Yes, there are a lot of controls, but I can see everything; nothing is in a deep menu!
Great episode! I'm hopelessly stuck on the Carbon Copy though. I know it's cheap and plain and boring compared to these splendid delay units, but there's something about that murky, dark, modulated sound that's just great. It's like a delay, a reverb and a chorus at the same time. MXR just nailed it with that thing.
It’s awesome. Does analogue delay better than anything here! Mick here.
The carbon copy and the echo plex will never leave my board. Carbon copy for slap back and mod and echo plex for the aged warbley, if that's a word, slower delay. The flashback x4 does the rest that I need. To me, nothing sounds as good as an echo plex.
CC is an eternal board fixture for me
+1
My love affair with Telecasters started with me discovering That Pedal Show. I love your Blonde Tele, Dan. All your Tele's for that matter
In my wet/dry/wet setup the DD500 wins hands down. Dual discrete IO allows me to use it in the left and right wet amps FX loops without the signals being summed like the Timeline. Along with the RV500 it's a very versatile rig. Boss could make it a bit easier to program, but I've been using their wonky menus for so long when I got these it was like seeing a long lost friend. :) Cheers!
Guys, I have an old Brazilian-made Oliver (by Roland) DR-1000 rack mount digital reverb that I got in the early 90s. It does the shimmer thing. Nobody talked about "shimmer" at the time, but it did it then, and -- of course -- still does it.
If I had to pick one of those it's the Empress hands down. Personally, I like the idea of the Volante more. A strong engine dedicated to a couple very specific amazing sounds.
I have a Boss DD-200. I don't use it enough and have barely touched the sides. Like to use it instead of Reverb or with the Phase 90. Now I'm inspired to dive deeper. Cheers guys.
There’s a setting in the Analog mode on the DD-500 that lets “add more chips” which gives you more time. Took me forever to figure it out but I noticed an analog preset that had longer time. The tape and drum modes have hidden multi-head modes as well.
Aha, thank you. See it’s stuff like that that just doesn’t make sense to me to hide it away like that!
@@ThatPedalShow It drove me crazy for a good long while. In the end I didn’t keep it and I’ve tried the timeline a couple of times but ended up selling it as well. I find that end up fiddling with knobs too much or I’ll just cycle through the presets and play a couple of lines and move to the next one (I do that with multi-effects). I don’t find that they make me very creative musically. I seem to be overwhelmed with the options I guess. The Volante has worked better for me I guess because everything I need is in front of me.
@@ThatPedalShow all about making it a more authentic simulation. But I agree takes more energy to get your head around.
Hidden just scares me off.
@@2speedy4u22 yeah, Dan even commented that the DD500 modelled the noise in the chip.
Your ability to demo guitars and pedals is the best I’ve seen on TH-cam. Very impressive guys.
Timeline is so usable live, always adds to what I'm doing and never gets in the way. It is extremely rare that I ever turn it off. I setup a preset per song, normally a quiet low mix reverby type sound or slapback and then a higher mix more prominent delay effect on B foot switch. This brings me to a few things that timeline isn't good for.. there isn't a option for a pristine rhythmic delay, think Boss style bouncy digital. So I run either a DD7 or DD200 stacked w timeline for that sound. Timeline always wants to diffuse into reverb that ducks below the guitar. The boss delays get very rhythmic and pulse to the beat without losing fidelity as the repeats fade, stacked they kick ass. The last complaint I have w timeline are the stereo features, and I think this is how the timeline will eventually be bested. The timeline doesn't really offer ping-pong or panning delays. They all sound excellent in stereo w a broad image but it the sound seems to never bounce back and forth. Strymon Dig mastered this, Boss Delays handle true stereo in an interesting way as well. Timeline is still king in my world though!!!
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it but it was Brian Eno that came up with the shimmer effect. Great job, guys! P.S. Again, sorry if previously mentioned, but the Pigtronix Echolution 2 Ultra Pro and Filter Pro has dry through and MIDI. I have the Filter Pro and it is excellent.
Thank you!
Congratulations on 250k. That being said, I’m curious why the channel hasn’t reached the heights of some of the other guitar channels out there. Do you have insight into this? It’s ultimately just numbers, and obviously not the reason why you all do what you do, I just feel like you do it better than anyone and yet you’re in some cases millions behind others within the niche.
This is my first comment (have watched since 2016) and it’s a little bit of a downer, sorry! I love your work! My best to the entire TPS family.
Our videos are long, we don’t do cheap focus stuff, one of us is a middle aged bald guy, probably a few reasons
I think what makes others get lots of views is that they do shorter, easier to digest videos. This channel does longer, more in depth/existential videos. I love both forms and I fully believe there’s a need for both.
something about the sound of FF...so beautiful! love it
Yep, us too. ;9)
This video really made me still want the Timeline so I ordered it! I think second is Future Factory even though that delay OD sounds terrible, then Echo System, then DD-500.
Awesome video guys. For me, my top delays are GFI Specular Tempus, Empress Reverb, Empress Echosystem, Meris Polymoon.