Thanks for the coverage and explanation! As is covered in our press release, all of the changes outlined in the Consent Decree have been made and in place for some time now. We're all relieved to have this looming case behind us now and are excited to continue moving forward with awesome new features on current platforms (ex: VB WRX CAN Flex Fuel) and explore new potential! - Marshall@COBB
Pinning this post so everybody can see. Thank you so much for replying I know it's always scary when things like this happen because consumers and even somebody like myself we don't fully understand it so we end up talking about it and becomes one big echo chamber. I'm glad to see that things are getting better for you guys because the last thing I want or the last thing anybody in our community wants is for you guys to be hurt in a way that you can't make cool stuff. 🤘
So was the green speed a waste of time then. If you guys would bring back the option to delete emission codes it would generate more sales. Facebook market place is full of accessports for sale. A lot of people went tactrix or other software.
@@rjd7697 I agree with this. However something is gonna have to change for cars eventually. I don't believe it's full electrification but it's definitely something.
Yep.... If everyone just switched to led light bulbs, we'd save 9 billion tons of carbon dioxide EVERY year. Cars are responsible for 3-4. Hell, don't even get me started on carbon credits for companies. I'm starting to feel like this is all just done for money tbh. Oh let's switch ac fans from mechanical to electric to save less than a mpg.... I wonder how much pollution was caused during manufacturing, transporting, and disposal of those. If anything, I'd be okay with an extra tax based upon engine displacement like Japan, or emissions from the factory
@@MongoooooooOr here’s an idea instead of putting the burden on the entire population to swap to electric. We focus on setting up infrastructure support for that power need and ensure anything that runs off electricity isn’t using fossil fuels… like idk nuclear power would be a pretty solid long term solution and new designs have extremely low risk but that wouldn’t make the right people money.
“Clean air act” 🤣🤣🤣 while they fly private jets to their meetings, such 🤡’s. One flight from California to Vancouver,BC puts out more emissions than my car will in my lifetime.
@@stronkworks Just a correction here. No most aviation fuel is not leaded. What you would be referring to is called 100LL (low lead) and AVGAS, these are used in small piston engine powered aircraft. When it comes to the most used fuel in aviation, that would be called JET A, and that is almost exactly like diesel fuel that you put in a truck. This is what Jet engines and turbo props all run on.
The clean air act was put in place by congress so the EPA does have a right to enforce it. The federal judge decreed that federal agencies don’t have the right to enforce regulations that the agencies themselves impose. The agencies do have a right to enforce acts of congress. The fact they have Cobb violating the clean air act means they have them dead to rights. As a bmw guy I hope the EPA doesn’t find out about MHD.
@@benrojas5444 yeah it sucks that mega corporations have lobbyists that pay off their pollution issues yet us little guys get the hammer. All for a facade that carbon emissions are the major cause of climate change. It’s one giant lie and a grab for power.
@@nickyear-w7749 Hmm. Some Russian reverse engineered Subaru’s s/w. With enough funds, everything can be obtained and open sourced. The elite will not win in the end. Impossible.
This sounds unconstitutional. You cannot force someone to give up or destroy their property without compensation. This is no different than a gun confiscation. The EPA, ATF, FBI, and NSA, all need to go.
the EPA shouldn't even exist. the whole thing is just a money grab. tuned cars with deletes don't contribute anything CLOSE to the majority of what causes pollution. government overreach at its finest. these are shitty times for car enthusiasts
Sad, not not a surprise. You know that ain't gonna stop the military, big corporations, and their rich pals from causing piles of pollution. No they will take away our toys instead, and try to hamfist us into EVs.
It’s a way to try and push ev. They know that the Motorsport community has a big influence on what’s cool to have. Most people aren’t into modifying cars but they want the cool cars.
If anyone read the entire article from the EPA clearly shows that COBB is the first company that sadly in 3-6 years might not even be here anymore but also others like Perrin, Nameless, GS, etc… and also a huge hit to distribution companies. It is extremely sad because private jets, ships and many more are much much worse than what they are hitting COBB for 😢
Let alone the CARBON footprint of manufacturing their GREEN SCAM MOBILES etc. These ghouls who support this sh** claim to be educated but never once bothered to question what is required for ELECTRIC cars. By the time the process is done, which starts at mining and ends at polluting this place with batteries they have yet to safely dispose of and the inefficiency and volatility of the electrical infrastructure, you're left with NO improvements to environment, poorer people, dangerous climate whether with heating or cooling your home. The damage to the ecosystem alone should stop green bs in its tracks if the epa was actually about saving the earth, not being a money grab/control vehicle for human freedom. They keep ALL THE RACING still, Nascar, f1, gt, etc, government fly and drive NON green vehicles on our dime (central banks actually) and someone they think a mild alteration of a cars running parameters will kill polar bears and cause storms. No it's geo engineering combined with thousands of natural factors that cause this, but when they know what they're doing, it's all just a act.
i don't ever remember electing officials to run the EPA and make rules and changes... weird how they have more power then then the people who fund them.
This is getting ridiculous. They are even cracking down on sellers of modified cars in New Jersey and threatening them with fines and jail time for selling a modified car.
I figured the EPA was going to bring the hammer down eventually.. I'm sure COBB will carry on business as usual, but with more changes coming and behind the scenes stuff. Cummins Inc will have an estimated annual revenue of around $34 Billion for 2024.. $1.6 billion is still a crazy amount to be fined, but Cummins Inc will comply and shrug it off. COBB Tuning annual revenue is roughly 18 million, for comparison. Good times.. Thanks for this vid, HMW!
Yeah, you want to pollute! Subaru released the car in compliance and Cobb circumvented those regulations. The regulations are there for a reason; it’s not all about you. Subaru needs to make a real performance car, the 2.4 is hardly a performance engine.
@@rdham64 Yea Karen. My (and most) tuned Subarus are running E85 or E98. We produce 1/5 of the allowed emissions. If not for big oil all cars would be running E100. In case you don't know it, consult a chemists. The results of ethanol combustion are CO2 and WATER. The 2 most common NATURAL ingredients in our atmosphere. C2H5OH + 3O2 → 2CO2 + 3H2O + heat. I'll put the emissions of my tuned E85 Subaru against any IC car and my car will be cleaner by a wide margin. That's why I said what I did: What you do to your car is irrelevant. All that should matter is what the sniffer detects. But liberals like you want to tel me HOW to do it instead of just what needs to be done. Like I said, it's all about CONTROL.
Never happening. Anyone choosing to have kids at this point is as bad as the CULT behind the scenes running it. This world is f***'ed and will continue to get more f***'ed.
This just proves that our current government is "SUPER AMAZING" and they really care about our well being and they're " ABSOLUTELY LOOKING OUT FOR OUR BEST INTERESTS " this is why we need to do everything in our power to vote them back in power so we can continue to have things like this happen in the future. 👀
@@execration_texts yeah Westerners just let all this transpire. Been ongoing since the Civil War and accelerated by FDR and his predecessor. Americans are making another lurch further into socialism/communism now as well. This is what the herd does. It is unavoidable. Even the Bible says so.
I wonder if any of this can be reversed due to the Supreme Court Chevron Deference ruling? EPA should be enforcing laws written by congress… not creating their own laws.
I feel like the EPA is just looking for low hanging fruit here. Picking on a company that doesnt have big time lawers to back em. Also im sure the amount of catless cars out there represent less than 1% of cars.
Agreed. What are they reaching for by picking on Cobb? It's basically arbitrary enforcement at this point. Also, I'd guess most cars that are catless are likely flex fuel. I could be wrong, but doesn't that ironically mean that vehicles converted to flex pollute less than what the stock setup pollutes while running 93?
I'm all for regulating emissions, but going after enthusiasts, a TINY percentage of drivers, is just really dumb when you consider the actual minimal impact of it.
I was breaking in a motor swap, that couldn't physically be tuned due to green speed rolling out, unannounced to the public until the day of. My break in tune with a low rev limit and wastegate boost was the last tune I was able to keep on the AP, no other map would have worked unless I bought new heads, again, and rebuilt my engine, again. I HAD to go open source, I didn't want to, that's for sure. A lot of us had no choice but to switch to OS.
People who were complaining about the sti being discontinued.. things like this were the exact reasons why.. I also understand why this is all happening but it still sucks.
@@brian6speed the sti as it was could not make standards and was bringing the entire Subaru lineup down too much. As to whether it's coming back, I cannot say.
@@brian6speed As hybrid I believe, unless they think they can get away with it by having hybrids bring down their fleet specs. I doubt it was Toyota. The FA24 turbo as it is pretty inefficient fuel economy and emissions wise. A tuned up or EJ version would probably be getting the same mileage as a V8.
Do you mean you understand the need for this to happen? Because there is no need. It is all a BS narrative that ill-informed people accept as fact, but which is actually a concocted lie.
@@HeavyMetalWRX We need something new for what? Because there is no need. It is all a BS narrative that ill-informed people accept as fact, but which is actually a concocted lie. You should actually do your homework. Problem is you drink the propaganda Koolaid like a good slave and have not actually looked into the junk science.
So this has been taken a little out of context. This has been going on for about 2 years and the case finally settled. The whole point of green speed was because of this. COBB has already put in place the plan to be compliant ( hence requiring AP manager to be updated when connecting to the internet and then requiring AP, defeat device, to be updated before you can use it. So this doesn't affect things as much as people think currently because COBB has already complied with the agreed fixes. Also VB CAN Gateway soon!! Even though I have a VA with CAN...
I just heard of a large diesel performance shop with this similar case, and more fines north to $10 million. The fight is on now. This is unjust and these companies need support. We need to demand proof our cars are indeed causing us to die via air and climate change. I feel like the EPA got a green light from somewhere within the last few weeks and I would like to know more. Hopefully the right attorneys are getting involved. 👊
@heavymetalwrx You shouldn’t shy away from the political side of this issue. It’s fundamentally political. One political party is the direct source of all these regulations, therefore directly impacting all car owners looking to modify their vehicles. California has the worst & most aggressive anti-ice laws & regulations. What political party runs CA? What party introduced these regulations? If you don’t drive a Tesla, you are their enemy. Pretty straight forward. I would really like to see you take a stand against these EPA democrats ruining all the fun things we enjoy doing as a community.
The reason I don't want to discuss the political side is because I embrace change and do look forward to cars evolving beyond what I've known my whole life. Idk if full electrification is the way but something's gotta change, and eventually it will, whether it's because of politics, science, or just humans necessity to do something new.
Why are you so emotional? Have you thought about doing some deep breathing and focusing on rational analysis. Try reducing your bias as much as possible, put yourself in other people's shoes; if you are even marginally intelligent you might arrive at several conclusions that eclipse the myopic nonsense you probably regularly blast out into the echo chamber. A derivative of this process is that you'll be happier, another is that people will recognize that they've been incorrect in their own assumptions concerning your level of intelligence.
Embrace what? race tracks going away, mods for our cars, shops going away, people losing jobs, getting fined yea that's sounds great! That's why the whole car community needs to come together if we want to keep what we have and not have it taken from us. It s political and will always be.
@@glock2213 embrace the change in cars. There rid always something new. We always find a way. I get people don't like the EPA and everything that's happening and I agree, it sucks. HOWEVER I was promised innovation as a kid and I'm still waiting for that day. Race tracks won't go away, shops won't go away, jobs won't go away. Things are always just DIFFERENT. Same ..but different. ✌️
This doesn’t effect just the Subaru community this hits everybody in the car community! Car guys we have to protect our stuff as best as we can! It’s political regardless if you believe it or not so pay attention and educate yourself on who you vote for and how to educate other car guys so we don’t get penalized like someone in the comments mentioned private jet usage, the negatives of lithium mining, etc. Keep car culture alive!
This is more for a COBB tuners where they no longer can disable oxygen sensors or any emission tuning deletes. This has been enforced since late 2022. If you have been tuned prior to that nothing changes. You can still modify your car just do it a right way.
@@subterraneanguitartech I don't think this will affect anything pricing wise. If anything it'll make used catless items more expensive since it'll be the only way to buy them.
‘19 wrx on Cobb with a dmann tune from before this all went down here. I have flex and it was discontinued and my car is basically stuck where it is now without me removing a bunch of stuff before dmann can touch it again. It’s really dumb
Lame, they have trying to work within the system at least as far a CA is concerned. It doesn't seem like they have been trying to circumvent the system.
Can a WRX be tuned and still be EPA compliant? Can we still get our cars tuned with the accessport? The EPA said COBB could still sell there tuners, so i would think you still can. We just can't remove the catalytic converter and bypass the codes. Am I getting this Right?
Eh. The language is important here with regards to anything employees have. "Request that Cobb Tuning's employees forfeit..." blah blah. Not require - because that's essentially impossible. So they have to request it from the employees. The employees can say no. And the following line, "Require Cobb tuning to offer to buy back" - so, Cobb Tuning has to offer to buy back. The employees can refuse the offer. The ruling doesn't force Cobb to in any way penalize or reprimand employees for refusing from what I can see. So, employee meeting at Cobb: "Hey guys. We would like you to remove x y z devices from your cars and we can buy them back." Employees: "Nah." Five minute meeting. Requirements fulfilled.
Why because she will twaddle her twat on every one making them all slimy? A vote will not make an iota of difference. Never has. Never will. You believe in fantasies and fairytales.
I think Cobb should appeal this and take it all tbe way to the Supreme Court under the premise that the court already made in regards to Chevron Deference.
They don’t have a large legal team, that would be a suicide mission. They’re gonna have to lay low for a while considering more than 10% of their yearly revenue is now just gone.
@ludicrousspeeds4938 wow, that's sad to hear man. Maybe other tuning companies can come together and file a class action aga8nst the EPA, again focusing on the chevron deference decision. Something needs to be done. 1st it was the diesel tuners, now Cobb, then it 2ill be hondata, mega squirter, haltech and so on.
Setting up smart 10 minute city format no one will need a vehicle, you can walk to the local food ration station and get your bug protein pack. Then walk back to your coffin apartment where your VR head set is and drive your digital car so you don’t “pollute” the tree’s with carbon they need to create oxygen for us to breathe. What could possibly go wrong. 😅 I’m calling it right now
I suppose the EPA better ban ALL vehicles on the road older than the mid 90s. Cats weren't required back then, why are we allowed to continue driving them? While they're at it, restrict the number of airline flights I'm allowed to take each year, that'll really provide "clean' air for our future and our children. This is a fucking joke, they need to use their resources towards something that actually benefits society. I'm not an EV hater, but why don't they currently set goals and regulations for future EV disposal/recycling?? It's not an issue yet, but we're not going to be able to just crush EVs.....can't just leave them in a junkyard to rot. The environmental repercussions at the end of an EVs life are just as serious as the harm caused during their battery manufacturing.
In 1970, President Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency and signed the Clean Air Act, which required all new cars sold after 1975 to have a catalytic converter.
@@suqmadiq68 for the US, sure. The rest of the world didn't follow suite until the 90s. Also all diesels didn't require cats until the 90s in the US, either. Point being that the EPA today is arbitrarily deciding that a niche market for car modification is harming our environment. Why are US import laws allowing catless cars from all over the world to be imported? (25 year import law) I'm not against importing, cause I feel they're impact on the environment is negligible as well, similar to modifying modern vehicles. I feel someone/some party is in charge of these laws that doesn't know better, or they have an ulterior motive unrelated environmental protection.
They will eventually one way or the other make it impossible to not have an enslavement vehicle with all the spyware and tethered to the grid in 15 minute cities.
@@HeavyMetalWRX no tgv deletes, no external waste gait, no vent to atmosphere bovs, and no comp series Aos’s. For basic bolt ons and daily drivers much remains the same, I agree with you there. For anything that remotely messes with the exhaust, intake, fueling, and pcv system it’s such a hassle and now I anticipate will get more expensive as COBB seeks to offset costs of the fine. It will be more difficult then ever to make the car more reliable on track or spirited driving all of which advocates for adjustments to the above systems to make the car more reliable. It’s frankly all just a government money grab but I digress.
The EPA can't actually do this anymore because of Chevron it's kind of like all the laws that they're trying to make for weapons manufacturers laws are there for a reason rules are meant to be broken and if they can't figure out what the difference is then what's the point of the government?
What you going on about!! Elon has donated millions to trumps campaign recently trying to sell more electric cars. Trump even admitted it in one of his rallies lol
It will happen regardless. Ppl are obsessed with the j** Isreal a** kisser puppet a little too much. The agenda has been ongoing since the founding of the cfr, only it's maybe been at a slower pace than expected. The clocks aren't going to reset. Though due to the ineffective as hell elect cars+infrastructure, all this will due is cause them to financial penalize us for operating i.c.e cars or heating our homes with anything shy of ulgas feces.
I tend to agree as I was thinking this while listening to the video. A lot of the time I just listen to the videos while getting to my deliveries. But I’m pretty good at isolating what I’m actually trying to hear.
@@truckinguy92 I've had three people over the last year and a half mentioned the audio but I won't ever be removing that I've actually lowered the volume a bit more but it comes out different in different types of speaker situations So if you have decent headsets or headphones you tend to hear the music more but the way I have it mixed is for phone audio which is how majority of the people at least according to my analytics listen on.
Makes you wonder how haltech gets away. Oh wait, they don’t claim to be legal street use. Maybe Cobb should make their stuff not legal and forget about epa.
Haltech prices their stuff such that nobody will use it on street. Thus EPA does not need to go after them aggressively. Also a Haltech modified vehicle can be identified by any cop because the gauge cluster is not OEM.
Just when i got into moddinf my car the government comes in with its green air shit act ... 😢.. but lets build ev's that great worst pollution. I dont get it
Glad something like this opens your eyes to that.... enjoying stickshift and engines is about as "toxic masculinity" as it gets... using the govt agencies to regulate us into evs from every angle and tell us it's for our own good and gaslight us if we try to say we enjoy ice cars is the Democrat playbook. I was not inherently a trump supporter before either, but once something you care about gets on the wrong side of the Democrat cross hairs and your community becomes one of the "bad guys", the only option for any self advocacy becomes trump
Remember kids: It’s not actually “about the environment bro!” But actually: about taking control and possession of your property Everyone here should- after this video- Go do a quick 3 minute read on “the great leap forwa rd” Ask yourself: “if they want to control the people- wouldn’t they want to control the food?” Laugh nervously because this is all apart of the UN 2030 “sustainability” goals which is just communism with “the environment bro!” As the wrapping paper Large corporations and countries and elites will continue to pollute while you have your entire life controlled.
Why does the EPA tell Cobb that they need to comply with Californiastan if they're in Texas? Am I missing something? Isn't this overstepping boundaries?
For me it makes sense.. If you want a fast car that is working well and you don't have to worry about all the issues that these over the top bolt on parts will cause, then buy a Porsche. Period. These upgrades are fun for a moment but its not what make sense in the long run. Either from the OEM's perspective or for the environment.
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Thanks for the coverage and explanation! As is covered in our press release, all of the changes outlined in the Consent Decree have been made and in place for some time now. We're all relieved to have this looming case behind us now and are excited to continue moving forward with awesome new features on current platforms (ex: VB WRX CAN Flex Fuel) and explore new potential! - Marshall@COBB
Pinning this post so everybody can see. Thank you so much for replying I know it's always scary when things like this happen because consumers and even somebody like myself we don't fully understand it so we end up talking about it and becomes one big echo chamber. I'm glad to see that things are getting better for you guys because the last thing I want or the last thing anybody in our community wants is for you guys to be hurt in a way that you can't make cool stuff. 🤘
So was the green speed a waste of time then. If you guys would bring back the option to delete emission codes it would generate more sales. Facebook market place is full of accessports for sale. A lot of people went tactrix or other software.
Is COBB going to appeal? Or just cave?
Nice any update on when tunes will be available for the 2024 Golf R's?
@@HeavyMetalWRX Race Car Friends approves this message lol.
Yes. Tuned cars are such a danger to us all. Probably the worse issue Americans are facing now. Good job Feds
@@rjd7697 I agree with this. However something is gonna have to change for cars eventually. I don't believe it's full electrification but it's definitely something.
Yep.... If everyone just switched to led light bulbs, we'd save 9 billion tons of carbon dioxide EVERY year. Cars are responsible for 3-4. Hell, don't even get me started on carbon credits for companies. I'm starting to feel like this is all just done for money tbh. Oh let's switch ac fans from mechanical to electric to save less than a mpg.... I wonder how much pollution was caused during manufacturing, transporting, and disposal of those. If anything, I'd be okay with an extra tax based upon engine displacement like Japan, or emissions from the factory
Elections have consequences.
@@MongoooooooOr here’s an idea instead of putting the burden on the entire population to swap to electric. We focus on setting up infrastructure support for that power need and ensure anything that runs off electricity isn’t using fossil fuels… like idk nuclear power would be a pretty solid long term solution and new designs have extremely low risk but that wouldn’t make the right people money.
@@Sir_Obliviousness but we've watched too many Chernobyl documentaries growing up for that to work sadly haha, I'm hoping Japan makes hydro fun
“Clean air act” 🤣🤣🤣 while they fly private jets to their meetings, such 🤡’s. One flight from California to Vancouver,BC puts out more emissions than my car will in my lifetime.
it's more like 10000 lifetimes... for one flight.
Valid point. Passenger planes alone also. This is b.s.
And most aviation fuel is still leaded no less
Because we are the “useless eaters” they want to kill off
Go do yourself a favor and listen to James Lindsey
@@stronkworks Just a correction here.
No most aviation fuel is not leaded. What you would be referring to is called 100LL (low lead) and AVGAS, these are used in small piston engine powered aircraft.
When it comes to the most used fuel in aviation, that would be called JET A, and that is almost exactly like diesel fuel that you put in a truck. This is what Jet engines and turbo props all run on.
Just FYI supreme court recently stated the the EPA has no powers to legislate or enforce any kind of mandate, COBB should definetly not pay and sue
Proof?
The clean air act was put in place by congress so the EPA does have a right to enforce it. The federal judge decreed that federal agencies don’t have the right to enforce regulations that the agencies themselves impose. The agencies do have a right to enforce acts of congress. The fact they have Cobb violating the clean air act means they have them dead to rights. As a bmw guy I hope the EPA doesn’t find out about MHD.
@@SirtyDanchez i stand corrected thanks for the info
@@benrojas5444 yeah it sucks that mega corporations have lobbyists that pay off their pollution issues yet us little guys get the hammer. All for a facade that carbon emissions are the major cause of climate change. It’s one giant lie and a grab for power.
@@SirtyDanchezwell when trump gets back in we can pressure him to have it revoked
If I was Cobb, I would open source the tuning software and spread it as much as I can. There are people out there who can use it, make improvements.
So there is a guy is Russia who has a product called Diemod that modifies the stock ecu to do all the things you want.
@@nickyear-w7749 Not really finding any results searching for this, do you have a link?
@@nickyear-w7749 Hmm. Some Russian reverse engineered Subaru’s s/w. With enough funds, everything can be obtained and open sourced. The elite will not win in the end. Impossible.
open source ftw whenever you can...or go stand alone.
Came here to say this
This sounds unconstitutional. You cannot force someone to give up or destroy their property without compensation. This is no different than a gun confiscation. The EPA, ATF, FBI, and NSA, all need to go.
Careful - don’t trigger the be t a male sellouts that struggled with the ladies in high school and now soldout
99% of "Americans" do not care. We freedom lovers are a dying breed.
3 letter agencys are all unconstutional
the EPA shouldn't even exist. the whole thing is just a money grab. tuned cars with deletes don't contribute anything CLOSE to the majority of what causes pollution. government overreach at its finest. these are shitty times for car enthusiasts
Sad, not not a surprise. You know that ain't gonna stop the military, big corporations, and their rich pals from causing piles of pollution.
No they will take away our toys instead, and try to hamfist us into EVs.
China India get a pass because they help corporate “amerikuh maaaaaaaaaaan”
It’s just communism masquerading as “the environment bro!!”
It’s a way to try and push ev. They know that the Motorsport community has a big influence on what’s cool to have. Most people aren’t into modifying cars but they want the cool cars.
If anyone read the entire article from the EPA clearly shows that COBB is the first company that sadly in 3-6 years might not even be here anymore but also others like Perrin, Nameless, GS, etc… and also a huge hit to distribution companies. It is extremely sad because private jets, ships and many more are much much worse than what they are hitting COBB for 😢
Let alone the CARBON footprint of manufacturing their GREEN SCAM MOBILES etc. These ghouls who support this sh** claim to be educated but never once bothered to question what is required for ELECTRIC cars. By the time the process is done, which starts at mining and ends at polluting this place with batteries they have yet to safely dispose of and the inefficiency and volatility of the electrical infrastructure, you're left with NO improvements to environment, poorer people, dangerous climate whether with heating or cooling your home. The damage to the ecosystem alone should stop green bs in its tracks if the epa was actually about saving the earth, not being a money grab/control vehicle for human freedom. They keep ALL THE RACING still, Nascar, f1, gt, etc, government fly and drive NON green vehicles on our dime (central banks actually) and someone they think a mild alteration of a cars running parameters will kill polar bears and cause storms. No it's geo engineering combined with thousands of natural factors that cause this, but when they know what they're doing, it's all just a act.
We're gonna be buying this stuff from a guy in a dark alley soon.
i don't ever remember electing officials to run the EPA and make rules and changes... weird how they have more power then then the people who fund them.
Ahhh yessss the country u can modify ur gender but not ur car
You idiots all voted for this
Don’t bring us into this, I’m opposed to this ruling too.
This is getting ridiculous. They are even cracking down on sellers of modified cars in New Jersey and threatening them with fines and jail time for selling a modified car.
@@Cats_Are_Scary WTF that's ridiculous!
north or south?😣
@@Revyliftss Will Texas become their own country soon? They have one of the largest economies in the world and lots of oil and natural gas.
Thanks for filling me in!🤘And support the "Troi Oi"! Kevin Vo! 🤩
Kevin and I need to do another video soon.
RIP Cobb. I had a V1 accessport during the glory days where they had multiple maps for catted, catless, turbo swaps etc.
Should just open source old AP software and establish new AP support and software for the new ones they put out.
I figured the EPA was going to bring the hammer down eventually.. I'm sure COBB will carry on business as usual, but with more changes coming and behind the scenes stuff. Cummins Inc will have an estimated annual revenue of around $34 Billion for 2024.. $1.6 billion is still a crazy amount to be fined, but Cummins Inc will comply and shrug it off. COBB Tuning annual revenue is roughly 18 million, for comparison. Good times..
Thanks for this vid, HMW!
It’s not about helping “the environment bro”
It’s purely about taking control and possession of property
The EPA is a fucking joke 😂All the 3 letter agency's need cleaned out
Yes, but remember this when you vote. There is one party that talks and talks and one party that gets it.
Yeah, you want to pollute! Subaru released the car in compliance and Cobb circumvented those regulations. The regulations are there for a reason; it’s not all about you.
Subaru needs to make a real performance car, the 2.4 is hardly a performance engine.
@@rdham64 Yea Karen. My (and most) tuned Subarus are running E85 or E98. We produce 1/5 of the allowed emissions. If not for big oil all cars would be running E100. In case you don't know it, consult a chemists. The results of ethanol combustion are CO2 and WATER. The 2 most common NATURAL ingredients in our atmosphere. C2H5OH + 3O2 → 2CO2 + 3H2O + heat. I'll put the emissions of my tuned E85 Subaru against any IC car and my car will be cleaner by a wide margin. That's why I said what I did: What you do to your car is irrelevant. All that should matter is what the sniffer detects. But liberals like you want to tel me HOW to do it instead of just what needs to be done. Like I said, it's all about CONTROL.
Never happening. Anyone choosing to have kids at this point is as bad as the CULT behind the scenes running it. This world is f***'ed and will continue to get more f***'ed.
@@stickman-1they'd get this whether or not ppl vote.
What’s crazy is my 450+ whp sti actually gets better gas mileage than stock lol. But according to the epa it should be on the road lol.
Hahaha I’ve gotten better average mpg since going e60 too
This just proves that our current government is "SUPER AMAZING" and they really care about our well being and they're " ABSOLUTELY LOOKING OUT FOR OUR BEST INTERESTS " this is why we need to do everything in our power to vote them back in power so we can continue to have things like this happen in the future. 👀
Woke policies and govt abuse. People will bitch, but vote the same way.
@absolutelyfailz4480 I agree, same.
Race car: many countries are doing this - it’s because the UN is actually running the show.
Population reduction and control of your property
@absolutelyfailz4480 yea cars as in EV's! Elon donated millions to trumps campaign recently
Voting is an idiocracy. It is who counts that votes that matters said Stalin.
Keep voting for idiots and you'll get more of this. The government is too big and is overstepping it's bounds.
They don't disclose their involvement about geo engineering but they can get the results they want to justify Greenpeace
Face the music. Do not delude yourself. Voting will not make an iota of difference. Never has. Never will. You believe in fantasies and fairytales.
@@Anonymint-vj7bt 4 years of Biden/Harris has destroyed this country.
The clean air act was signed in by Nixon
@@execration_texts yeah Westerners just let all this transpire. Been ongoing since the Civil War and accelerated by FDR and his predecessor. Americans are making another lurch further into socialism/communism now as well. This is what the herd does. It is unavoidable. Even the Bible says so.
I wonder if any of this can be reversed due to the Supreme Court Chevron Deference ruling? EPA should be enforcing laws written by congress… not creating their own laws.
Excellent point!
Yes. People need to start groups like Gun owners of America, maybe Tuners of America 🤔. They need to challenge these cases and get them overturned.
@@jonathanb1987a solid amount of people would get on board with that
I feel like the EPA is just looking for low hanging fruit here. Picking on a company that doesnt have big time lawers to back em. Also im sure the amount of catless cars out there represent less than 1% of cars.
Agreed. What are they reaching for by picking on Cobb? It's basically arbitrary enforcement at this point. Also, I'd guess most cars that are catless are likely flex fuel. I could be wrong, but doesn't that ironically mean that vehicles converted to flex pollute less than what the stock setup pollutes while running 93?
🐯🚫 (catless) is the wqy i drive my KA24det much better flow and sound of the turbo. Catch me if you can.....epa
I'm all for regulating emissions, but going after enthusiasts, a TINY percentage of drivers, is just really dumb when you consider the actual minimal impact of it.
I was breaking in a motor swap, that couldn't physically be tuned due to green speed rolling out, unannounced to the public until the day of. My break in tune with a low rev limit and wastegate boost was the last tune I was able to keep on the AP, no other map would have worked unless I bought new heads, again, and rebuilt my engine, again. I HAD to go open source, I didn't want to, that's for sure. A lot of us had no choice but to switch to OS.
EPA complains about an air filter but the FDA can get bride for products. Complete sense!!
People who were complaining about the sti being discontinued.. things like this were the exact reasons why.. I also understand why this is all happening but it still sucks.
isn't an sti coming out in 2025? ppl claim toyota didn't want sti competing against the gr corolla.
@@brian6speed the sti as it was could not make standards and was bringing the entire Subaru lineup down too much. As to whether it's coming back, I cannot say.
@@brian6speed As hybrid I believe, unless they think they can get away with it by having hybrids bring down their fleet specs.
I doubt it was Toyota. The FA24 turbo as it is pretty inefficient fuel economy and emissions wise. A tuned up or EJ version would probably be getting the same mileage as a V8.
Do you mean you understand the need for this to happen? Because there is no need. It is all a BS narrative that ill-informed people accept as fact, but which is actually a concocted lie.
This is simply about electrification of cars, nothing else.
I don't think electrification is the answer but we definitely need something new.
Nope. It's about one thing: Control. Control what you can say, what you can think and what you can do.
@@HeavyMetalWRX We need something new for what? Because there is no need. It is all a BS narrative that ill-informed people accept as fact, but which is actually a concocted lie. You should actually do your homework. Problem is you drink the propaganda Koolaid like a good slave and have not actually looked into the junk science.
Cobb should take this straight to the Supreme Court.
So this has been taken a little out of context. This has been going on for about 2 years and the case finally settled. The whole point of green speed was because of this. COBB has already put in place the plan to be compliant ( hence requiring AP manager to be updated when connecting to the internet and then requiring AP, defeat device, to be updated before you can use it. So this doesn't affect things as much as people think currently because COBB has already complied with the agreed fixes. Also VB CAN Gateway soon!! Even though I have a VA with CAN...
Speaking of j pipes can you tell me a little bit about your experience with your custom one? Issues, codes and whatnot.
I just heard of a large diesel performance shop with this similar case, and more fines north to $10 million.
The fight is on now. This is unjust and these companies need support. We need to demand proof our cars are indeed causing us to die via air and climate change. I feel like the EPA got a green light from somewhere within the last few weeks and I would like to know more.
Hopefully the right attorneys are getting involved. 👊
@heavymetalwrx You shouldn’t shy away from the political side of this issue. It’s fundamentally political. One political party is the direct source of all these regulations, therefore directly impacting all car owners looking to modify their vehicles.
California has the worst & most aggressive anti-ice laws & regulations. What political party runs CA? What party introduced these regulations? If you don’t drive a Tesla, you are their enemy. Pretty straight forward. I would really like to see you take a stand against these EPA democrats ruining all the fun things we enjoy doing as a community.
The reason I don't want to discuss the political side is because I embrace change and do look forward to cars evolving beyond what I've known my whole life. Idk if full electrification is the way but something's gotta change, and eventually it will, whether it's because of politics, science, or just humans necessity to do something new.
Why are you so emotional? Have you thought about doing some deep breathing and focusing on rational analysis. Try reducing your bias as much as possible, put yourself in other people's shoes; if you are even marginally intelligent you might arrive at several conclusions that eclipse the myopic nonsense you probably regularly blast out into the echo chamber. A derivative of this process is that you'll be happier, another is that people will recognize that they've been incorrect in their own assumptions concerning your level of intelligence.
Embrace what? race tracks going away, mods for our cars, shops going away, people losing jobs, getting fined yea that's sounds great! That's why the whole car community needs to come together if we want to keep what we have and not have it taken from us. It s political and will always be.
@HeavyMetalWRX Electric Cars powered by natural gas and coal electricity while the battery contents are mined by slave labor.
@@glock2213 embrace the change in cars. There rid always something new. We always find a way. I get people don't like the EPA and everything that's happening and I agree, it sucks. HOWEVER I was promised innovation as a kid and I'm still waiting for that day. Race tracks won't go away, shops won't go away, jobs won't go away. Things are always just DIFFERENT. Same ..but different. ✌️
This doesn’t effect just the Subaru community this hits everybody in the car community! Car guys we have to protect our stuff as best as we can! It’s political regardless if you believe it or not so pay attention and educate yourself on who you vote for and how to educate other car guys so we don’t get penalized like someone in the comments mentioned private jet usage, the negatives of lithium mining, etc. Keep car culture alive!
Voting will not make an iota of difference. Never has. Never will. You believe in fantasies and fairytales.
Our cars arent political buddy. Its just basic proven science. Otherwise, couldnt you just pray the EPA away?
First will be Parts Manufacturers.....2nd will be Tuner performace shops
Looks like ill be ordering a Link fury. If i can't turn off the CEL for rear 02 and TGV deletes the AP does me no good.
Wonder if this will delay the Flex kit for the VB. Sadness.
This is more for a COBB tuners where they no longer can disable oxygen sensors or any emission tuning deletes. This has been enforced since late 2022. If you have been tuned prior to that nothing changes. You can still modify your car just do it a right way.
I was about to post the same, folks don’t read at all.
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Hmm should I not wait to pick up a Cobb catback? Price may be going up methinks
@@subterraneanguitartech I don't think this will affect anything pricing wise. If anything it'll make used catless items more expensive since it'll be the only way to buy them.
funny you say that. i just picked up a vb wrx cobb titanium exhaust for around 1.1k with taxes. pretty good deal methinks.
‘19 wrx on Cobb with a dmann tune from before this all went down here. I have flex and it was discontinued and my car is basically stuck where it is now without me removing a bunch of stuff before dmann can touch it again. It’s really dumb
375wph/350tq on e60. Went flex at 30k miles and so glad I did it back then. Car now has 130k miles on it running strong. D-Mann tuning ftw
Lame, they have trying to work within the system at least as far a CA is concerned. It doesn't seem like they have been trying to circumvent the system.
This is what I thought. When I talked to Marshall he said they are running everything through the board and making sure compliance was 100%.
Can a WRX be tuned and still be EPA compliant? Can we still get our cars tuned with the accessport?
The EPA said COBB could still sell there tuners, so i would think you still can. We just can't remove the catalytic converter and bypass the codes. Am I getting this Right?
@@WRooXter that is correct!
Sort of.. they can't increase emissions. So if you tune it dumb rich, it'll still be an issue.
Not everyone wants to plug their car in! When will the govt understand this???
Eh. The language is important here with regards to anything employees have. "Request that Cobb Tuning's employees forfeit..." blah blah. Not require - because that's essentially impossible. So they have to request it from the employees. The employees can say no. And the following line, "Require Cobb tuning to offer to buy back" - so, Cobb Tuning has to offer to buy back. The employees can refuse the offer. The ruling doesn't force Cobb to in any way penalize or reprimand employees for refusing from what I can see. So, employee meeting at Cobb: "Hey guys. We would like you to remove x y z devices from your cars and we can buy them back." Employees: "Nah." Five minute meeting. Requirements fulfilled.
A vote for kamala is the closest thing you can do towards ending the stick shift
Why because she will twaddle her twat on every one making them all slimy?
A vote will not make an iota of difference. Never has. Never will. You believe in fantasies and fairytales.
I dont think Trump even knows what a stick shift is.
Pray cobb has the lawyer power to fight for us.
so if you dont have an accessport, buy one as soon as you can b4 the changes?? And for current users, don't update your AP?
This is only related to catless and emissions things which already aren't allowed.
This Cobb settlement was already settled since the beginning
Do you know if this affects Canada also or is this just an American issue?
'First time?' - VW owners, probably
I think Cobb should appeal this and take it all tbe way to the Supreme Court under the premise that the court already made in regards to Chevron Deference.
They don’t have a large legal team, that would be a suicide mission. They’re gonna have to lay low for a while considering more than 10% of their yearly revenue is now just gone.
@ludicrousspeeds4938 wow, that's sad to hear man. Maybe other tuning companies can come together and file a class action aga8nst the EPA, again focusing on the chevron deference decision. Something needs to be done. 1st it was the diesel tuners, now Cobb, then it 2ill be hondata, mega squirter, haltech and so on.
Hope they can recover from this and find a work around 😭
I'm sure they will. This has been on the books for a while for a lot of companies, just hurts to see.
Vote Trump
Setting up smart 10 minute city format no one will need a vehicle, you can walk to the local food ration station and get your bug protein pack. Then walk back to your coffin apartment where your VR head set is and drive your digital car so you don’t “pollute” the tree’s with carbon they need to create oxygen for us to breathe. What could possibly go wrong. 😅 I’m calling it right now
Remember when we voted on these policies.. ohh wait.
I suppose the EPA better ban ALL vehicles on the road older than the mid 90s. Cats weren't required back then, why are we allowed to continue driving them? While they're at it, restrict the number of airline flights I'm allowed to take each year, that'll really provide "clean' air for our future and our children. This is a fucking joke, they need to use their resources towards something that actually benefits society. I'm not an EV hater, but why don't they currently set goals and regulations for future EV disposal/recycling?? It's not an issue yet, but we're not going to be able to just crush EVs.....can't just leave them in a junkyard to rot. The environmental repercussions at the end of an EVs life are just as serious as the harm caused during their battery manufacturing.
In 1970, President Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency and signed the Clean Air Act, which required all new cars sold after 1975 to have a catalytic converter.
@@suqmadiq68 for the US, sure. The rest of the world didn't follow suite until the 90s. Also all diesels didn't require cats until the 90s in the US, either. Point being that the EPA today is arbitrarily deciding that a niche market for car modification is harming our environment. Why are US import laws allowing catless cars from all over the world to be imported? (25 year import law) I'm not against importing, cause I feel they're impact on the environment is negligible as well, similar to modifying modern vehicles. I feel someone/some party is in charge of these laws that doesn't know better, or they have an ulterior motive unrelated environmental protection.
They will eventually one way or the other make it impossible to not have an enslavement vehicle with all the spyware and tethered to the grid in 15 minute cities.
Open source FTW!
Not much has changed (besides catless tuning). I think tuning wise we will be ok but it doesn't hurt having options.
@@HeavyMetalWRX no tgv deletes, no external waste gait, no vent to atmosphere bovs, and no comp series Aos’s. For basic bolt ons and daily drivers much remains the same, I agree with you there. For anything that remotely messes with the exhaust, intake, fueling, and pcv system it’s such a hassle and now I anticipate will get more expensive as COBB seeks to offset costs of the fine. It will be more difficult then ever to make the car more reliable on track or spirited driving all of which advocates for adjustments to the above systems to make the car more reliable. It’s frankly all just a government money grab but I digress.
Does this affect access port?
Why don't they focus on industry. Certainly heavy industry does far more damage than our cars do.
@andrewoxner2941 it's just smoke and mirrors. They only care about money.
Chevron defense is dead. They aren't allowed to write "rules" and enforce them as law. Go get em.
The EPA can't actually do this anymore because of Chevron it's kind of like all the laws that they're trying to make for weapons manufacturers laws are there for a reason rules are meant to be broken and if they can't figure out what the difference is then what's the point of the government?
Government needs to go
Outright criminal to regulate the market like this. It's one thing to fine the customer but I still don't think that is right. Bunch of thugs.
Vote for trump 🇺🇸🇺🇸 or we will all be driving electric cars soon.
#mycarmychoice!
What you going on about!! Elon has donated millions to trumps campaign recently trying to sell more electric cars. Trump even admitted it in one of his rallies lol
It will happen regardless. Ppl are obsessed with the j** Isreal a** kisser puppet a little too much. The agenda has been ongoing since the founding of the cfr, only it's maybe been at a slower pace than expected. The clocks aren't going to reset. Though due to the ineffective as hell elect cars+infrastructure, all this will due is cause them to financial penalize us for operating i.c.e cars or heating our homes with anything shy of ulgas feces.
love the video, just please get rid of the background music, very distracting
@@r.ctravis3250 I will never do that! It's literally half of my thing lol
I tend to agree as I was thinking this while listening to the video. A lot of the time I just listen to the videos while getting to my deliveries. But I’m pretty good at isolating what I’m actually trying to hear.
@@truckinguy92 I've had three people over the last year and a half mentioned the audio but I won't ever be removing that I've actually lowered the volume a bit more but it comes out different in different types of speaker situations So if you have decent headsets or headphones you tend to hear the music more but the way I have it mixed is for phone audio which is how majority of the people at least according to my analytics listen on.
Thanks a big chuck of change… 😮😅
Makes you wonder how haltech gets away. Oh wait, they don’t claim to be legal street use. Maybe Cobb should make their stuff not legal and forget about epa.
Haltech prices their stuff such that nobody will use it on street. Thus EPA does not need to go after them aggressively. Also a Haltech modified vehicle can be identified by any cop because the gauge cluster is not OEM.
Anyway guys, buy a Haltec and send it.
Dude....all their stuff has State EO numbers...wtf EPA
This seems like a massive overreach
Old news
@@Craiggg12345 This was filed by the EPA literally yesterday.
ur mom on my nuts is old news
@@HeavyMetalWRXDude, this was the result of the April 2022 Green speed update. This isn't new to anyone
@@apr7853 News to me.
@@HeavyMetalWRXthey did this years ago grandpa.
Cobb will likely pick up and go to a different country.
Orange
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Electricity
Road
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Eggs
Apples
Cars
Houses
Blame the democrats
Just when i got into moddinf my car the government comes in with its green air shit act ... 😢.. but lets build ev's that great worst pollution. I dont get it
@@alexreyes9237 honestly like I said majority of the modding community won't directly be affected.
@HeavyMetalWRX yeah but the effects probably stopped things from developing that was in the pipe lines.
Buy a skyline:)
No more tunning from Cobb!! Lund is now under investigation
@@davecarpenter9548 they are still tuning. They put out a notice today saying exactly that.
@@HeavyMetalWRX oh nice I heard they will not be able to adjust boost pressure as it’s in the fine details?
Does EPA ever go after Taylor Swift?
Who are these dictators doing this though?
Way to go Biden Harris Administration. A tuned car won't dump as much emissions as someone that put mods on and didn't tune. SMH
Ok i was a harris supporter now im voting trump
Glad something like this opens your eyes to that.... enjoying stickshift and engines is about as "toxic masculinity" as it gets... using the govt agencies to regulate us into evs from every angle and tell us it's for our own good and gaslight us if we try to say we enjoy ice cars is the Democrat playbook. I was not inherently a trump supporter before either, but once something you care about gets on the wrong side of the Democrat cross hairs and your community becomes one of the "bad guys", the only option for any self advocacy becomes trump
I love cars and motorcycles, but I will admit. Drag racing on electric scooters is extremely thrilling.
Time to vote for republicans!!!!
Remember kids: It’s not actually “about the environment bro!”
But actually: about taking control and possession of your property
Everyone here should- after this video- Go do a quick 3 minute read on “the great leap forwa rd”
Ask yourself: “if they want to control the people- wouldn’t they want to control the food?”
Laugh nervously because this is all apart of the UN 2030 “sustainability” goals which is just communism with “the environment bro!” As the wrapping paper
Large corporations and countries and elites will continue to pollute while you have your entire life controlled.
Damn Liberals! I am going stand alone ECU at this point. Cobb is a ticking bomb.
Why does the EPA tell Cobb that they need to comply with Californiastan if they're in Texas? Am I missing something? Isn't this overstepping boundaries?
Can’t stand the EPA. they are so full of shit
In order to solved this we need Trump to be president!
OMGGGGGG
Yes I pooped myself when I saw that number ☠️
EPA is trash, wtf?!
For me it makes sense.. If you want a fast car that is working well and you don't have to worry about all the issues that these over the top bolt on parts will cause, then buy a Porsche. Period.
These upgrades are fun for a moment but its not what make sense in the long run. Either from the OEM's perspective or for the environment.
@@nitefly-music te nice thing is the OEM cat is actually not as restrictive as people believe. It flows pretty well.
Lol
Comments full of ignorance. Make Public Education Great Again lmfao 🤡🤡🤡