I disagree about Hera being out-of-line. Immediately after a state's foundation, especially a state founded on a violent revolution, the Defense Council should not be filled with people spouting "there is no War in Ba Sing Se, our walls keep us safe." It should be filled with people who can be counted on to be vigilant towards the possibility of new or returning dangers.
Because she was the current threat, having stolen new republic property (she no longer owns the ghost) and convinced a team of pilots to follow her. They needed a bigger force than she had to bring her in.
My Xiono hottake: "Huh, turns out Borsk Fey'lya was actually a Vietnamese dude this whole time. I guess the "fuzzy space mouse" thing was just a cosplay."
Tbh, i feel he is the canon version of Borsk Fey'lah. He went head to head with Leia in the Legends and you get a glimpse of this when 3PO showed up in this episode.
The one good thing that came out of him was Kazuda Xiono. However, the problem with Hamato Xiono is we barely know the guy or his motivations. For all we know, Hamato Xiono could have been one of many senators who was inspired by Senator Padme Amidala's speech during the Clone Wars regarding how the Republic should be spending its resources on helping its citizens, not military operations. He is more of a politician who dislikes war and sees it as senseless violence that endangers innocent people like his family. Also, from Resistance, his uniform looks a bit more militaristic as if some event changed him to be more active off-world to help the New Republic and its defense organizations. Overall, the New Republic should use every opportunity it could get to help people across the Galaxy rather than prep for another war even if the latter option is the most logical and pragmatic approach due to the Known Galaxy being part of a story that is literally called STAR WARS. I agree that the New Republic's beginnings reminded me of the United States of America in its infancy following the end of the American Revolution and how they sought to be neutral to help build America into a strong, independent nation.
There is a reason why people should separate duties from personal opinions as Hera said friends and comrades were lost maybe this time the New Republic is playing it safe focusing on economic recovery a balanced policy but even then they stagnate themselves because of it.
Honestly you dont even have to be inspired by any speech to think that investing into infrastructur and improving peoples live is more important than funding the military if there is no apparent threat and Hera is providing no evidence that there is an actual threat. For this reason it is also reasonable to assume that Hera has a personal agenda or that Hera simply doesnt know how to deal with a galaxy being at peace since she basically came from a family of rebels and fought for the rebels later on.
@@paulstephensia1412 The New Republic stagnated, yes. But it tried to be better than its predecessor and focus on helping the people more than creating a stronger military. They don't want to repeat the false promise the Old Republic gave to its citizens before showing their deception when the Empire was created. What makes the Empire far evil is that they care more about the military than the well-being of the people with the belief in false security. Yes, there are threats in the Unknown but sacrificing the happiness of people for more security and order makes life meaningless: isolation, slavery, cage, etc. There will be wars but sacrificing one's dignity to win a war is meaningless like Baylan said, "Impatience for victory guarantees defeat." The Empire was impatient to secure peace in the Galaxy (their desired victory) through the belief that total order and security would do so. The Empire in Legends learned their mistake via the formation of the Fel Empire, under the guidance of the Imperial Knights, even though there were problems in that regime.
The problem with Mon Mothma is she always thought everything could be solved through politics. Even after the Empire rose she still thought she could reason with Palpatine. It’s only after she is shown how foolish that line of thinking is does she focus on fighting…but still beyond reluctant to do so.
This is a writing problem as much as anything. For example, Hera had access to Huyang's very detailed scans of the Eye of Sion to present as proof of stolen hardware being used. She also proved that the military hardware was being stolen from Republic shipyards. Her mistake was even letting Xiono bring up Thrawn or Ezra. Hera should have thrown back at him that unknown parties were stealing military assets from the New Republic. A simple reminder of history: the Clone Wars did *not* begin on Geonosis. They began a decade earlier when a *shipping company* decided that they could refit their cargo freighters into battleships and conquer Naboo. Indeed, making the threat more nebulous like that would help scare more Senators with the possibility that it wouldn't take an Imperial Remnant to destabilize the Republic. A rogue corporation could do it, and *had* done it within many Senators' lifetimes.
@@mrs.manrique7411 - But Mon Mothma should. Heck, if I can think of this then she definitely should have. But instead she mostly just stands there looking concerned.
Yea it is writing problem. Even if they might not think it is Thrawn, with these much evidence it warrants a investigation by the council or allow Hera to send a small task force. It is not like she requested the whole fleet to investigate. At least assign a 3rd party task force to investigate and vet Hera's evidence. They want to show the new republic as incompetent, but i think this is too much.
When i first saw that character, i said to myself “what, has that generation tech guy gotten a role in star wars” but now that i see them side by side, it’s clear tha Xiono is a bit older.
As dickish as Xiono was acting, and as foolhardy as his dismissal of the Imperial Remnant is, most of what he was concerned about was valid. He said it -- a General abusing her authority to pursue a personal vendetta. Hera did *not* bring solid, hard evidence to the Senate even *when* she had it, or should have had it. She never mentioned the data from the tracking device, never brought up that those loyal to the Empire had taken a Super Star Destroyer hyperdrive, never gave flight recordings from her cockpit showing the Eye of Scion. Nothing! She continuously relied on her own experiences, belittled those who had different experiences, and it was a favour from a friend that got her out of hot water. She got at least two X-wing pilots *killed* for nothing. I don't blame Xiono one bit for being suspicious of her.
No he wasn't incorrect about the Imperial revenant no way one imperial warlord could create entire fortress on a supposed Dead Planet but yet he thinks it's just one crazy Imperial warlord and in General he is just a crybaby when C3PO came to give evidence to help her case and get her out of getting court-martial but yet he didn't want the Droid to give the evidence for some reason and I hope it wasn't because he is Droid racist he is a fool to not be worried about the Imperial revenant as if they unite they can destroy the new Republic especially if any commander likes thrawn would show up and it's like he's ignoring the evidence that is already there as no way he hasn't heard of the Imperial Revenant sending off hyperspace drives that doesn't sound like a scattered group of Imperial supporters to me and we can't forget about all the other evidence from the Mandalorian TV show that he should know about
To be fair, it's possible that her evidence was presented off-screen. But at the same time, I fully agree with it being Hera's fault, she could have easily claimed that the theft of a SSD hypercore in itself is a very, very dangerous event with very severe consequences and that she was simply following up on that risk
Just bc we didn't see it doesn't mean that she didn't do those things. Showing that stuff being done would've, unfortunately, been a waste of money & minutes that needed to be spent on the central story, not a side one.
Hera’s failure to support her actions with evidence she had access too is a pretty good point for how Xiono could dismiss her so easily. It’s too bad that Hera didn’t submit any evidence so she could be portrayed as more than having a personal vendetta while portraying Xiono as willfully ignorant and incompetent, but under closer examination, the opposite is almost true. The optimist in me hopes it’s to portray Hera’s struggle to adapt to a political environment after a lifetime as a soldier but they way they portray Xiono as obnoxious in his dismissal and near-derision of Hera does little to make the conflict between them feel as nuanced as it perhaps should. Xiono himself appears to be made a simple contrarian just to make Hera, despite her legitimate failures to support her claims of Thrawn’s imminent threat, look like the victim of other people’s inactions rather than her own actions.
@@smookypooch If something important happens off screen, you have to make it clear that it happened on screen. An easy fix for this situation would be: "You saw the data recordings I sent you, there is clearly something happening here." It would take only a few seconds to shore up Hera's case, instead we get the presentation of her as is
The divide between outer and inner rim made me think of a concept in Latin American history called “The Mask of Ferdinand”. This was where rebels fought the French authorities in Latin America in the name of the deposed Spanish king. When the king returned they then rebelled against him having no real love for a distant ruler. The outer rim had little reason to love or restore the republic but plenty of reason to rebel. So perhaps for someone like Hera we have a “mask of the republic” rebelling for a cause that you don’t really believe in and does you no good but it is better then the alternative.
I have a theory that Star wars conflicts during the movies beyond their nomenclature of factions basically is showing constant Core vs Rim Wars: Republic vs Separatists; Empire vs Rebellion ; First Order vs New Republic... these are all conflicts between a centralized governement in the core develloped worlds against powers representing the interests of rim under develloped worlds. Essentially the Galaxy seems to be at an infraction point where the demographic shifts in the last centuries towards the Rim has created a situation where the Core is taking too many ressources from the growing rim worlds without giving anything in return apart from bad bureaucratic ruling. The Galaxy is becoming too Big, too spread out for centralized rule. The structure of a single galactic governement seems to be non functionnal. Maybe the Hyperspace tech is too slow for informations and authority to circulate efficiently across the Galaxy. The Core no longer produces anything and doesn't rule efficiently, so mechanically the Rim wants more independance, maybe autonomy. The core knows deep down their influence and relevance is slipping hence they oppress the Rim and take the ressources in classic Thucydides trap fashion only internally. This cycle we are seeing in the saga at this point in history can only end in galactic partition. Maybe a new governement system or a transport/communication tech breakthrough may be the catalyst for a united Galaxy once again but it won't be soon.
As the late bail organa once said "some minds cannot be altered no matter what they hear." Xiono embodies this quote. During the court martial, xiono refused to change his mind about hera or the possibility of thrawn's return or the threat of the remaining imperials despite the various incidents involving the imperial remnants and morgan elsbeth, and her mercenaries. Although he did have a point about the lack of evidence regarding said imperial remnants working together.
But Xiono doesn't understand that the imperial remnants can be playing the same game that the rebel aliance at the beginning? Seem a lesser threat disorganized when is the opposite and only waiting for the right moment to strike. Or liking numbers so much, and being that big shoot in the military structure in the New Republic, why he can see all the imperial warmachine that what was not found? Battalions of stromtroopers missing... Star Destroyers and lesser ships missing... He can't make the question: where are they?
@@DavidBernad-e3m also he didn't fight in the war so he doesn't understand military strategies. Not everyone needs to fight in a galactic war but still as you pointed out he doesn't understand that the imperials are using the rebellion's own methods against them.
Sadly in our history we have big examples of people understimating a(hypothetical) enemy. The byzantines reputed the arabs only a bunch of nomadic tribes, and look how they crippled the Empire, same for the Chinese with the mongols. And naturally no one, either in the UK or in the USA tought that Japan would've been capable of crushing the combined allied forces in the Pacific, at least in the first months of the war.
I actually didn’t see that in resistance. 🤔 Hamato Xiono seemed to be more worried about General Hux giving a speech like “the new republic has been lying to everyone and aiding the resistance” and derided his son for putting their family in danger.
I think Xiono is just an opportunist. He's a member of the defense council but keeps cutting Leia (the actual head of the defense council) out of the loop so he can build his support and take over. His reason for attacking Hera? She's connected to Mon Mothma. Embarass Hera and you embarass Mon Mothma in front of the council members he wants on his side. Maybe he is an Imperial sympathizer or has grief with Hera for some reason, but simple political ambition explains both scenes he's been in so far. Plus he's a huge jerk.
Xiono was probably taking a page from Palpatine's rise to power, except Palpatine wanted to be the ultimate authority where I don't think Xiono is as ambitious.
I look at him as he's trying to do what Padme was trying to do during the Clone Wars. Making sure resources are used for the people and not another war
While I appreciate the defense of the differences of opinion necessary for the functioning of a democracy, I don't think that's what Filoni's shooting for with Xiono. He may not be an outright Imperial sympathizer, but he's definitely representative of the problems that made the New Republic fall so quickly to the First Order. Filoni's painting the society of the core worlds as corrupt and not a little bit dumb, a weakness that's easily capitalized on by the fascists lurking in the shadows.
The thing that is lost among most people is the degree that most officers in countries like the United States are educated. Higher ranking ones like a General would have at least a Masters degree or equivalent. They have also spent time in the "political" side of rising thru the ranks that has to do with networking and gaining favor of others. Even General's like Han Solo who had field commissions would have found it hard to make it after the fall of the Empire. And who knows maybe that was what split him and Leia. She on the other hand had all of the skills to play that game. Even at the level of middle management you get to see how strange things can get from being the person doing to being the person saying what to do.
He's the new Borsk Fey'lya. If Thrawn approaches the NR with a false promise of peace, Xiono would bite down on the hook and say that he'd rather work with Thrawn than with Hera.
@@bernoulli85 I understand he died doing something noble at the last moments of his life probably turned for the better a book before but i just don't remember what books he was in without research. He was always a pain in the butt iirc. I also wanna say I recall him in young jedi knights, but probably not. Then there was the errr, umm, did he die in the Thrawn Trilogy or did he do something right during the Yuuzang Vong war? Wikipedia would be so helpful right now, but I am sure you know off the top of your head to be able to make an obscure remark about the final moment of his life and then just dangle that useless bit of information
Yeah he sacrificed himself taking about of Yuuzang Vong, I always admired him for that. I haven't read every single book with him in it so I dont know his history all the way through but I always thought he and his Bothan buddies were super cool.@@AdmiralStoicRum
Its kind of crazy that Hera just didnt go to Leia in the beginning to get approval. Hera knows that Leia is in the position to grant approval and no questions would have been asked and they know each other from the Rebels days so i guess she just didnt for mysterious reasons.
To be fair, when Mon Mothma pressed Hera on the issue of the approval, Hera said " Yes. . . eventually". You can take that as Hera going to her, and Leia didn't support her ar first, and over the course of the show finally agreed.
Due process. If Hera went straight to Leia, she’s stepping over the chain of command, which isn’t honest to democracy. While yes, Hera is right, it’s still the principle of the matter of not using personal connections to get what you want in a depmacry and to stay true to the system and oaths and military chain of command
@@stuglife5514 no one mentions "Chain of command" in the episode, if it was a thing im sure the Senator would have brought it up instead of a little robot racism.
@@BrokenCurtain she doesnt need to appear on screen to give her permission, it could have been like in the episode and Hera offscreen gets permission or it could have been a hologram communication waay easier to fake a double.
Funny thing is, the only reason we're siding with Hera in this is because we have seen that she is right. Anyone who doesn't have access to the information Hera or we have would and saw what we saw would likely cheer on Xiono for keeping Hera in check. Let's look at history, almost every revolution in history has either ended in anarachy due to no one keeping the new system functioning or dictatorship from an ambitious politician or general taking advantage of personal and public favor as well as the undeveloped systems in place. I've got to respect the man
It is not a good reason, there were evidences such insurrection behaviour happening all around. The least the council could do is do a 3rd party investigation and vet information given by Hera. Also Hera is not asking for a whole fleet to prepare for war just a small task force to retreive more evidence.
bro what? There was literally evidence that everything she is saying is true. What about that female captain who the space whales passed by???? all she has to say is yep there was some huge ass space whales and they jumped. it's just bad writing. I like this show but this "court" scene was pretty awful.
No, I just think he's dumb for not even trying to hear out the possibility of what she's saying. I get that from his point of view it looks like she's lying but these people know who Thrawn is and how dangerous he is. He should have known as soon as he heard Thrawn's name that he's gambling the lives of many people up against wasting resources. They could have said they'd be willing to find Thrawn but under no circumstances save Ezra and that she wouldn't be allowed to go and see if she still stuck to her story then.
@@pawel0s1I think the machinations of some New Republic politicians are one reason why Han, Leia, and Luke found dealing with them and fighting the Empire so frustrating.
Ahsoka summed it up; it's not loyalty, it's greed. Senator Xiono doesn't look like he has missed too many meals as of late, and all one really has to do is follow the money.
Xiono's a crafty, cunning buzzard who looks after his own interests and the republic to an extent. He really doesn't care what happens as long as him and his family r taken care of.
5:459:15 I vehemently disagree. There's more than enough politicians and core world governments that would've taken Hera at her word and would've devoted resources for a proactive operation to prevent a theoretical danger. Certainly Palpatine would've listened if Thrawn told him about a threat from afar that might materialize; he even made Thrawn a Grand Admiral for that very same reason. And I'm sure the Jedi Council under Yoda might've at least allocated some resources to help Hera if she was asking the Old Republic for help instead. I can understand if Xiono has something to lose, if Hera wants something more than just a task force. For example, if Hera wants to assume control of the entire navy to rally a manhunt for Thrawn and Ezra, then yes, Xiono's bitching at Hera would make sense, but that isn't the case here. Hera is just asking for a task force, and they lose nothing if she comes home empty-handed. Xiono is just being an ass, for the sake of being an ass, just like Borsk Fey'lya before him. He literally loses nothing if Hera takes some ships on a wild goose chase, which makes his resistance to her all the more baffling and vindictive. It's like he just gets up in the morning thinking of new ways to screw Hera over. It'd make more sense if Xiono is being blackmailed by the Empire; like say, Thrawn's men have holos of him sleeping with other senators' wives, and they threaten to release said holos unless he hampers Hera Syndulla's operation; or maybe he just preferred life under the Empire and secretly wants Thrawn to win, since he's probably old enough to remember that the Old Republic was a dysfunctional pile of crap and the Empire was more effective and efficient than it. At least those explanations would make far more sense as to why Xiono has such a raging hate-boner for Hera on the Senate floor.
Ah, but from Xiono's perspective he does have something to lose. If he allows one general to divert one task force for personal reasons (for that is what he sees this as), then the next time a general (or heaven forbid, an admiral) comes to him asking to use military resources for personal reasons, their request now has precedence. Enough of these, and anyone with a military rank, and half the politicians in the galaxy, can use military resources to do whatever they want. Not to mention that there are only so many task forces to go around, or that moving them is incredibly expensive and a government only has so much money to use for a million different things, some of which are important to Xiono. But you did raise a good point about there likely being some ulterior motive. I don't think it has to be something that extreme (though of course it could be) - maybe he just wants to take some money out of the defense budget for a pet project of his. It could even be a case of caring so much about something important that he ignores something more important.
@@samueldimmock694 Then wouldn't it be better for Xiono to let Hera go off with her task force, then when she finds nothing, Xiono can use that case to tell an admiral to stuff it if he asks for resources?
Xiono is a Polichicken. The type of person who avoids fighting in a war. Then after the dust has settled sneaks into a position of power to lord over the people who did the fighting. I have run into people like him in over 50 years of life.
@@samueldimmock694 It also doesn't make sense writing wise, there were already evidence of insurrections. The least the council could do is assign the investigation to another 3rd party general/ task force if they think Hera have a personal agenda in this case. Let the 3rd party investigator vet the information Hera provided.
I'm honestly shocked that nobody brought up "clearly our enemies think they can bring back Thrawn, so we should definitely try stopping them, even if we don't know if he actually can come back"
He's playing the role of the Bothan, Borsk Fey'lya, from Heir to the Empire. There is no doubt an agenda behind his actions. It would have been great if Filoni used a bothan for the role.
It is true we do need to remember that we are seeing these events from the perspective of Hera and the people fighting against thrawn, we have direct knowledge of thrawns return, as a viewer from the fourth wall, so we can not expect the senators and characters to act how we would, we have knowledge they do not.
Either the senator is imperial remnant, has ties to the banking sector or is willfully ignorant to the threats that are coming. All are scary possibilities.
But there is a huge issue. Xionno bypassed the defence council and called vote behind leia's back because Hera did something she was not supposed to while doing something he wasn't supposed to do. He himself didn't follow proper procedure. This seems to indicate he has something personal against Hera. How does a committee vote on an issue while the head of it's department is not only missing but informed of it meeting
You are correct. Leia should have been there by hologram, or she should have ordered Hera not to appear and challenged Xionno (who was only her peer) to do something about it.
Empathy is one of the most powerful tools can have when encountering any type of situation. Learn as much as you can about the other individual and try to put yourself in their shoes, because once you figure out what their mindset is, you'll be able to better deal with them. Well said Alan, lesson of the month for me❤
It's not that the senator is a contrarian to Hera, it's that he seems to be so against the idea of the possibility of a resurgent empire he is unwilling to even allow the name remnant for the forces which is colouring his decision making. He clearly lives in a bubble of pacifism, he wants everyone else to have his opinion because that would be great and so he can't understand how fanatics will do irrational things without any reason to destroy what he loves. Simple naivety for a politician really, maybe losing his homeworld helped enlighten him to the madness.
@@michaelmaiara4770 that never happened. He survived Hosnian Prime blowing up and then went into hiding from the First Order, that is the last we hear of the coward for now.
The scene with hera speaking of Thrawns return in front of the senate and noone believing her was literally stolen from the original Thrawn trilogy. There, it is Han that tries to convince them and Borrsk Fey'lya plays the role (throughout the first two books) that Xiono does in Ahsoka.
Seriously, if any one had half a brain they'd immediately open a deep investigation on this guy after his bizarre and almost comically suspicious behavior.
I don't think that Filoni is that dumb to do a childlike thing as portraying every person who disagrees with the protagonists as a evil agent of the empire lol.
He may just be taking money from the empire or crime syndicates to just be absolutely terrible to weaken or just trying to discredit rivals to claim more power for himself
I think Xiono is just a good situation of someone who takes their job very seriously if not too seriously. He wants to make sure corruption isn't getting into the New Republic (Even though it already has). I think he's gonna be a good guy that we have to win over to our side type of situation. Like after Thrawn appears on the New Republic radar, he will be more than willing to provide to keep the people safe. As well as eat his words, I think we just gotta give him time to understand the situation he's in (Thrawns Return).
The problem is that once Thraw return, well the s...t will hit the fan so violently that all Xiono desire to help will be important and helpfull like a snowflake in a massive wildfire
@@lukedalton Or Thrawn tells everyone Sabine is the reason he's back, thus leading Xiono to regain his credibility while also ending up slannering the Ghost Crew as the ones held resposbile.
@@coletrain583 hmmm who is more believable? One of last higher rank member of the Star Wars universe nazi regime equivalent personally guilty of war crimes or a group of war heroes, member of the rebellion from the beginning etc. etc. Plus if there wasn't for Hera not giving a damn about Xiono order they will not even know that Thraw is back .
@@coletrain583 it's not a question of defending anyone is that can be summed up with 'Thrawn word against the one of the heroes' (yep i get that there can be video proof of this but i haven't see any camera recording the effective event) and nobody in the Republic that is not already an imperial supporter had any reason to believe him instead of what basically consist in Rebellion royalty. Plus even if this happen for (plot) reason, Xiono is not out of troubles, they know that Thraw is back only because Hera ignored his order and they had missed him by second. i
Even from a purely internal perspective, his positions aren't all that out of whack. The conversation implies that Hera has put a great deal of effort to use New Republid resources to search for Thrawn and Ezra. After years of this post Endor and no actual evidence, there's likely a great deal of political resistance. However, the New Republic reaction to events is horribly managed. They have a Dark Jedi that slaughters the crew of a capital ship, which is then tied to the theft/appropriation of a Star Dreadnaught sized engine that's tkaen to an Outer Rim world. Then you have one of the few Jedi within the Republic going in pursuit. That alone is sufficient cause to send a recon force out to the area supported by a cruiser and for a massive investigation as to how a Core shipyard is taken over by the Imperial Remnant and assassin droids come and go on one of the key systems of the Republic. Instead there's a hero of the Rebellion taking a few fighters with her to backup a Jedi against a Dark Jedi and unknown threat that has clearly shown massive infiltration of the New Republic's naval support structure. The fact that a cruiser task force is sent out after Hera rather than to investigate is a sign of far, far too much undue influence of the Defense Council on military operations than is healthy. Also the fact that upon threat of Court Martial Hera's story is called ridiculous when.. You have three cruisers seeing hyperspacing whales jumping along and are told it's Jedi business defies the narrative. Again, there is likely immediate cause for conference of the Defense Council - but their reactions are wholly out of line. The necessity of a chain of command and adherence to civilian leadership is a virtually sacred duty. The review there is a failure of the Republic Admiralty to review the situation and in turn brief the council. Whether or not Thrawn is alive this is clearly a priority Jedi affair (which the Republic is almost automatically bound to support) involving immense military scale corruption within the planetary infrastructure. That's something that New Republic Intelligence should have put it's boot (or flipper) down on.
Immediately called that he's an imperial simp or plant the moment he opened his mouth. While his concerns are valid, his immediate and absolute dismissal of new information and the way he treats Threepio, who's well implied by the entire council's reaction to Xiono calling him a "mere droid" to be a well known figure in the rebel alliance and essentially a war hero shows to me an almost irrational rush to bury the entire affair of Thrawn's possible return as quickly as possible, because unless the guy's been living under a rock I don't buy that he doesn't know who C-3PO is if he wanted to be any sort of intelligent politician. Also Hera's request wasn't exactly unreasonable. If the idea is to hunt down and stomp out Imperialist remnants, and they *know* some existed because Xiono himself even acknowledged Moff Gideon and the battle of Mandalor, even if he dismissed it as an "isolated incident", it proves the possibility that Imperial Remnants exist in the universe hidden from sight. Even if Hera lacked immediate evidence, why would she...herself a known Alliance hero and general for almost the entirety of its existence, not even be given the benefit of a doubt or at least some resources to make sure? He vehemently challenged even that since the beginning. His fast and absolute dedication to not even hearing out the hypothetical threat, and attempting to brush it under the rug as quickly as possible just screams to me of intentional political collusion to protect something. I wouldn't be surprised if he was instrumental in later ruining Leia Organa's reputation by bringing to light that Darth Vader was her father, and helping to politically keep the New Republic fractured and weak so the First Order could come in and do their thing. He's either totally an imperial sympathizer, a horrible politician, or a badly written character. We'll see which in time.
Xiono here is basically my country (Brazil's) stance towards the Ukrainian x Russian conflict: evading meaningful answers, minimizing the prospect of a war, both-sides-ism and lowkey simping for Russia (in Xiono's case, the Empire). Ironically enough in-universe Xiono's homeworld of Hosnian Prime is going to be obliterated further down the line but the very evil he helped pay no mind to.
And Xiono happened to be off-world when it happened, so the question is was that a wake-up call for him or will he just try to present himself as the new Leia Organa for political gain? (Along with exploiting his son's war hero status as a Resistance fighter pilot.)
He’s the Disney equivalent of Sen. Borsk Fey’lya from the books. Maneuvering to make his world dominant in the new galactic order by undermining Leia and Adm. Ackbar’s faction. They probably changed him to human to avoid the SFX budget for another hairy alien. His role on the books was to be the “with friends like these” antagonist.
He's either your typical unqualified politician who has a massive chip on his shoulder or he's an Imperial remnant agent. There's a good case for either or, loads of coincidence surrounding his family all being off world when Starkiller base blrw up a bunch of planets.
I cant understand why so many people are claiming Hera had no evidence? She literally caught an entire scrapyard full of imperial loyalists sending hyper drives off somewhere and put a tracker on an escaping ship leading to that system. It's like finding 5 mice in your kitchen you catch 4, the fifth runs off with paint on its feet leaving a trail to their nest and you just ignore it shrug your shoulders and pretend you didn't even catch the 4 mice currently in your hands.
Yeah the part about holding a vote without Leia is a big part in me believing he’s a imperial pawn, either an agent or paid off or something to cause trouble / slow down the more rebellious new republic leaders
Look, if this were real I would agree that Xiono is playing politics and has nothing to do with any Imperial remnant. But this is Disney Star Wars. They don't really do "deep characters" and complicated motivations. It's nearly always skin deep, which means Xiono is likely a closet Imperial and probably worse.
Wasn't it heavily implied in Resistance that Sen. Xiono was a First Order simp, or at the very least part of that faction in the NR? I recall that scene with uh DJ in TLJ talking about the MIC being pretty applicable to him. This show further reinforces that by a ton. I think it was a great move to use that obscure unlikeable character here, making them even more so. He's totally undermining the NR on purpose.
@@mrs.manrique7411 I don't really want to rewatch that dumpster fire, but I might have to at least throw that single episode on where he actually shows up instead of being mentioned. Anyway, I remember my takeaway from his character in Resistance was that which I mentioned earlier. To get into more detail, regarding him being part of the pro-Imperial faction of the senate that was around in the Aftermath trilogy I think? Linking to that is that monologue from TLJ about how all the corps are selling to both NR/FO and all the politicians are making money off it, etc. So as far as this time period goes, we're being shown that the NR is quite infiltrated by Imp simps to a large degree. From the manufacturing/shipyards to the plants/spies elsewhere in the bureaucracy, now it's people in power in the senate. Xiono is perfect in that role showing us that the senate is already failing. We have to get to the state of things in the sequels somehow, and as much as we dislike it they've been doing a good job at showing us how much the NR sucks. Kinda falls in line with aspects of society today tbh.
I see Senator Xiono as somewhat in the the same vein as Poe and Admiral Holdo. I love Poe's Character, but his actions lead to the destruction of a very important battlegroup that can specifically destroy a Dreadnought. Due to his lack of planning the Resistance could not engage the Main Fleet with the Supremacy Star Destroyer. Hera sends a small task fleet to investigate Thrawn and got 2 pilots killed with little to show for it besides a minor report.
The problem and that was a failure of Johnson, is that without Poe attack the Fulminatrix will have decimated the Resistance fleet so for any pratical purpose the loss of the bomber fleet was a necessary move to save what remained of their forces
@@lukedalton Pretty much. Poe himself says that dreadnoughts are fleet killers. If Poe followed Leia’s orders, they would have just been destroyed later by the dreadnought anyway, making preserving those bombers pointless.
I was simply baffled by him saying her report read like a fairy tale. Sheltered in the core worlds or not, he lives in STAR WARS. The galaxy is so absurd, things like space whales and false Jedi should be Tuesday to him.
Right? Like Thrawn’s original defeat and destruction of the death star wasn’t in school curriculum? Purgil and Jedi, Hera’s explanation wasn’t far fetched.
A general shouldn’t need permission to go investigate the whereabouts of a known criminal who escaped by destroying everyone on a prison transport. Why would a defense counsel not approve that?
No, every non normal(traning, manuvers, etc.) NEED civilian goverment aproval. No general or admiral can send comandoes without that. This is why police is for ivestigation and chasing criminals military for country defence. Heck even US costal guard during peace is under DoHS not DoD.
@@lamarravery4094 I get there needs to be an overall oversight, but there needs to be some room for a general to be able to pursue and investigate leads on a convicted criminal, who hired a mercenary to free who massacred an entire ship full of military personnel. Or if she has to answer to a defense counsel then that should have been their focus not the threat of Thrawn.
@@elainel4642 They're trying to build a Republic, if you have a general doing whatever she wants, that's an empire. We know she has the best of intentions, she sees a threat to the Republic, but she has to follow the rules. Look what happened to MacArthur during the Korean War, he was our best general and he didn't follow orders to stop advancing. Truman knew the Chinese would get involved if we got close to their borders and that's what happened. Truman was so pissed at McArthur and had to fire him.
It's actually history kinda repeating itself believe it or not I think even Palpatine admitted himself that the majority of senators were too greedy or fearful of threats or certain situations that he didn't really need to influence the many senators in the Senate room, really at all Edit: Obviously it's a little different because Palpatine was leader of The Republic and later the Empire but Mon Mothma is currently the leader of The New Republic, though mistakes are being made and it's caused from multiple reasons not necessarily one person
Oh Palpatine was just biding his time until he could remove the Senate. He was Sith and Sith were born to rule after all. No need for a pesky 'Committee' trying to override him at any moment. He was to be Supreme Rule of the Galaxy. The problem was even after he removed the Senate, he discovered that he actually couldn't rule alone. Even with Vader acting as his Enforcer, the galaxy was just too big for one man. In this way he did discover what Mon Motha is now. Lessers with aspirations to power are only self interested. They will only look after their own self interests and not be the good little obedient drones he wanted them to be. Palpatine was privately very unhappy with the state of his Empire. The only difference between him and the current Council of the New Republic is that Palpatine could just off the offending waste of his time.
@@graveyardshift6691 Yeah pretty much but Palpatine was able to do what most sith from the past weren't able to Or at least rule slightly longer and rein on top when the odds were slightly against him at first
People like Xiono are essential in a democratic government, even if he's wrong in this moment. Civilian control of the military and a reluctance to solve issues with military action are positives.
1:06 Actually, most government systems wouldn't be as bad as the New Republic. The NR is sinking under red tape mere years into their founding. Most regimes start out strong and proactive, and only rot with time. Like the Holy Roman Empire, which was a powerful empire during the early Middle Ages, but a dying husk by the time of Napoleon; they existed for about a thousand years. If the NR was any bit realistic, they'd help Hera Syndulla with her search, and only after several years of failure, turning up nothing, would they call off the search and tell her to get over Ezra's death. They would also start investigating those two Dark Jedi and those stolen SSD hyperdrives rather thoroughly, and would've approved of Hera taking a fleet to Seatos. Heck, the real-world USA would've probably thrown Hera all the support she needs. The Yanks have approved of riskier stuff than a glorified scout patrol looking for a lost war hero. This is why Xiono's resistance to Hera makes no bloody sense. There is literally nothing to lose for Xiono if he approved of Hera's mission from the start. If anything, with his world being a manufacturing world, even the false alarm of a war would get him money since his world could produce and sell military starships to sectors who might be scared of Thrawn's return. Instead, Xiono is just being an ass for the sake of being an ass, just like Borsk Fey'lya before him, making the New Republic worthless in the eyes of the viewers, just like it was in the NJO novels. All it does is show us that Thrawn taking over is probably for the best. If Thrawn wasn't going to cap off his victory by slaughtering the rebel heroes, his victory would've been seen as the best ending, and it probably could have saved the galaxy a lot of grief. Thrawn might've even turned against Palpatine when the old man comes back, given the fact that Palpatine went full-in on Stardust with his Xyston-class Star Destroyer Fleet, which Thrawn opposed back when the same concept was being put forth as the Death Star.
This soooo much. Really my main problem with all the senate meeting scenes is that the characters don't seem (to me at least) to be acting realistically. If they had shown some logical reason for him to be so antagonistic toward Hera, it would be fine in my eyes. But basically the instant we first see him, he is opposing her. Maybe mention some failed attempts to find Thrawn in the past that lead to some deaths of people under her or something... like what we see happen. Give him some actual ammunition against her instead of him just staunchly refusing to consider Thrawn survived. And on the other hand, if the intention is to have him be an imperial sympathizer... he wouldn't be so antagonistic toward Hera; a war hero who has the ear of the Chancellor and Leia. That would just draw attention. He would try to appease her or work around her behind the scenes. TLDR: Just make the characters smarter in their interactions, at least in the Senate scenes. Just my opinion.
I mostly agree but counterpoint the United States had no federal military after the revolution had ended. It wasn’t until the whisky rebellion that a federal military gained support. What then was meant to be a meeting to alter the “articles of confederation” which was the weak constitution of the time turned into an entire reorganization of the United States government and the adoption of a brand new constitution. However I agree with you that in this situation the new Republic should have learned from a weak republic with no military which is what allowed palatine to manipulate the clone wars. The clone wars was their whisky rebellion. The difference is an empire took over before the republic could truly reform.
@@Big_Red1 I seem to remember Xiono making a passing reference to previous attempts to find Thrawn (he said something like "yet another attempt to use military resources for what has become a personal quest to find your friend", which suggests to me that there have been numerous other attempts to find him, and support for those attempts has waned over time). If there had been enough of these attempts, I could see the senate committee dismissing any evidence Hera might present without bothering to inspect them (she's just making stuff up, like she did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that...), though the Dark Jedi and stolen military hardware the OP mentioned is another matter entirely.
Something's definitely gone wrong if the evidence Hera found didn't cause an immediate investigation. As I mentioned above, there does seem to be good reason for the defense committee not to trust Hera, but that should just mean putting someone else in charge. But just because there's a problem doesn't mean it's the Senators at fault. You can't expect people to act on information they weren't given, and based on how Hera interacted with the Defense Committee, it's clear that she'd assume they were choosing to ignore the evidence without bothering to check that they'd received it. Maybe military high command is the source of the problem. Maybe it's someone on the Senators' staff. There are a lot of places where a government can break, and while it's easiest to blame the people in charge, they're not always at fault (though oftentimes they are, and I'm not assuming that isn't the case here, I just don't want to assume the opposite without evidence).
If you don't want to allocate even a small but of recources to prevent/seek out threats that will literally destroy everything you've built im sorry but i would rather have Jar Jar over that type of person it really felt like he didn't like Hera tbh
💯 I love your super based takes so much. Everything gets divided into extremes these days, whereas most of us fall somewhere in the middle. Balance is key in everything. 💖
Xiono I'm assuming is aligned with the Imperials, either that or is completely incompetent and/or in denial (makes me sad to hear he survived, one of the bright parts of this show for me was thinking "yup, he dies, bet he wishes he believed in the Imperial Remnant"). Mon Mothma (ever since the updated universe started happening, basically everything other than her appearance in RotJ) is a weak leader and in my opinion a bad one, she's more concerned about trying to placate people, you're never going to be able to make everyone happy. She doesn't have a backbone to do anything (or even have anything done) in Andor. Let us not forget that if she had been allowed to "lead" in Rogue 1 (Without the Rogue 1 crew and the general ignoring her and doing their own thing), the original death star either wouldn't have been destroyed or if it was would have happened much later because the plans wouldn't have been retrieved. Really most of what this show has revealed so far is that there is already corruption throughout the entire republic and the corrupt ones seem like the most competent, the others are mostly idiots who don't see (either deliberately or through their own stupidity) what is going on and absolutely don't want anyone to prove them wrong. Allen keeps talking about Hera having no facts but she should have some (ie the scans of the giant hyperspace ring, the fact that it was connected to the Imperial loyalists on corellia) but the show (and some of the politicians) just don't want to accept it, or Hera just isn't mentioning it. So either the people in the world are all evil or incompetent, or the writing of the show is poor, or a mix of both.
13:00 "A general who knows his enemy, and who knows himself, need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles." -Sun Tzu There's a variety of different phrasings, I'm sure I'm part because Chinese doesn't translate very directly to western languages. But that's the gist of it.
Can someone explain why they didn’t have the coffins loaded up in the chimera already to go the instant Thrawns help showed up? He knew they were coming. The night mothers have force powers or magic so they should be able to open their own tombs and load up their 💩, why they have to have it sprawled all over the hanger instead of in an empty room(s) is beyond belief
I mean, we don't know what is in the coffins. For all we know, they were stored in such a way for the protection of others. So they should spend as little time as possible on the Chimera itself.
@bellgrand Ya they could’ve loaded them 3 days ahead of when they showed up and they’d spend the same amount of time in the chimera as they currently are as no matter what they’d need 3 days to load them so my point still stands
When you live on a world full of ancient magic, much of which either comes from an ancient evil or is involved in keeping it at bay, and most of which you no longer fully understand and/or lack the power to alter or bypass, a lot of things make sense that ordinarily would not. There's probably something special about the tombs that can't be replicated, making it a bad idea to have the coffins anywhere else for longer than absolutely necessary.
Xiono's reasoning was actually very good, and Hera really constantly tried to abuse her power and position being rebellion hero. In this small case New Republic is working as actual normal government, that can't blindly trust single general with no evidence and waste resources for mission that takes origin from rumors and intuition.
Exactly. And when we eventually get to TFA, Hera is nowhere to be seen and is largely absent from the sequel trilogy until the battles of Jakku and Exegol where we see the Ghost put in a quick cameo. Something happened to Hera that caused her to retire or be drummed out of the military and I believe battling Thrawn and becoming frustrated with the politics of the NR is what caused her to walk away and disappear for a while.
Disney is lucky creators like you flesh out what to me felt like forced written conflict. Especially as it seemingly ended inconclusively thanks to a fan service moment, but again you helped make it barely believable. 😂
What bothered me the most about this exchange is she never told the council about the SSD hyperdrive that was illegally allocated to Morgan Elsbeth🤦🏽♂️🤷🏾♂️ there's the prof right there... L😮💨
While we don't know much about Xiono's allegiance, I do think he was right in denying Hera's request. He is part of the Defense Council and has to decide where to assign the New Republic's ever diminishing fleet to (we've already seen in The Mandalorian that a single starfighter squadron is patrolling the Arkanis Sector, and that's around the same time as the Ahsoka series [we don't know if other squadrons or larger ships are actually out there patrolling that sector, but considering the context clues in The Mandalorian series, I'd say it's a good bet that there is no one else {how often did Din Djarin bump into Captain Carson despite the different planets they were on?}]). He has to allocate where the fleet needs to go, and sending these very important and dwindling number of ships on a wild goose chase wouldn't be very sensible for one in his position. Think about it, if you were told a person that disappeared to parts unknown years ago thanks to a magic space wizard and some giant space whales that could jump into hyperspace was returning, would you believe it? I know I'm sounding like I'm discrediting Thrawn's threat level, but how many (loyal) people in the New Republic are actually aware of him? Mon Mothma, Leia, Hera & her Ghost crew, and those who served in the early rebellion are the only ones I can think of that know he's a very real threat. Like Alan said, Thrawn disappeared pretty early on in the rebellion, and his accomplishments before that were not many for those in the Imperial Navy to log in (I'd say that was on purpose due to him being an alien from the Unknown Regions, Imperial sympathizers within the New Republic likely destroying any intel on the man probably helped too). Everyone being dismissive of Thrawn shouldn't be mocked in doing so. We the audience know what he's truly capable of because we've seen Rebels & read the books, but admittedly very precious few in the whole of the Star Wars galaxy do (and thanks to the efforts of those sympathizers, only those people would ever truly know). So yes, Xiono's decision in denying Hera's request was completely justifiable. Was it the wrong choice? Absolutely, but as they say: hindsight in 20-20.
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Hey he looks kinda like you generation tech....XD
Actually he look likes yang
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I disagree about Hera being out-of-line. Immediately after a state's foundation, especially a state founded on a violent revolution, the Defense Council should not be filled with people spouting "there is no War in Ba Sing Se, our walls keep us safe." It should be filled with people who can be counted on to be vigilant towards the possibility of new or returning dangers.
@@Hesaysalot This is such a stupid take on what centrism is.
My favorite is they didn’t have the resources to help Hera but sent three Capital ships to get her once they found she was AWOL. 😂
It’s an accurate depiction of how the government spends money to be fair 🤣🤣
As a veteran, that was the most realistic part of the entire show 😂😂
@@texasvet2729110%
That's literally how militaries be IRL lol
Because she was the current threat, having stolen new republic property (she no longer owns the ghost) and convinced a team of pilots to follow her. They needed a bigger force than she had to bring her in.
I was screaming at him through the TV. It's people like Xiono that are the reason The New Republic fell so quickly.
It's Dave's interpretation of Katherine Kennedy, the head of Luscafilms.
@@WolfeSaberstill beating that dead horse?
I agree. It’s so depressing that people like him are even allowed on a democratic council.
I think the new republic fell so quickly because the first order fired a giant laser that split into 7 different beams and blew up all their planets
@@Justin-AL and how did you think that happened in the first place?
My Xiono hottake: "Huh, turns out Borsk Fey'lya was actually a Vietnamese dude this whole time. I guess the "fuzzy space mouse" thing was just a cosplay."
😂
A pretty good cosplay, all things considered.
Tbh, i feel he is the canon version of Borsk Fey'lah. He went head to head with Leia in the Legends and you get a glimpse of this when 3PO showed up in this episode.
The one good thing that came out of him was Kazuda Xiono. However, the problem with Hamato Xiono is we barely know the guy or his motivations. For all we know, Hamato Xiono could have been one of many senators who was inspired by Senator Padme Amidala's speech during the Clone Wars regarding how the Republic should be spending its resources on helping its citizens, not military operations. He is more of a politician who dislikes war and sees it as senseless violence that endangers innocent people like his family. Also, from Resistance, his uniform looks a bit more militaristic as if some event changed him to be more active off-world to help the New Republic and its defense organizations. Overall, the New Republic should use every opportunity it could get to help people across the Galaxy rather than prep for another war even if the latter option is the most logical and pragmatic approach due to the Known Galaxy being part of a story that is literally called STAR WARS. I agree that the New Republic's beginnings reminded me of the United States of America in its infancy following the end of the American Revolution and how they sought to be neutral to help build America into a strong, independent nation.
So basically Brazil and India's reaction to Russia vs Ukraine
There is a reason why people should separate duties from personal opinions as Hera said friends and comrades were lost maybe this time the New Republic is playing it safe focusing on economic recovery a balanced policy but even then they stagnate themselves because of it.
Honestly you dont even have to be inspired by any speech to think that investing into infrastructur and improving peoples live is more important than funding the military if there is no apparent threat and Hera is providing no evidence that there is an actual threat. For this reason it is also reasonable to assume that Hera has a personal agenda or that Hera simply doesnt know how to deal with a galaxy being at peace since she basically came from a family of rebels and fought for the rebels later on.
@@Stego1819 well said.
@@paulstephensia1412 The New Republic stagnated, yes. But it tried to be better than its predecessor and focus on helping the people more than creating a stronger military. They don't want to repeat the false promise the Old Republic gave to its citizens before showing their deception when the Empire was created. What makes the Empire far evil is that they care more about the military than the well-being of the people with the belief in false security. Yes, there are threats in the Unknown but sacrificing the happiness of people for more security and order makes life meaningless: isolation, slavery, cage, etc. There will be wars but sacrificing one's dignity to win a war is meaningless like Baylan said, "Impatience for victory guarantees defeat." The Empire was impatient to secure peace in the Galaxy (their desired victory) through the belief that total order and security would do so. The Empire in Legends learned their mistake via the formation of the Fel Empire, under the guidance of the Imperial Knights, even though there were problems in that regime.
The problem with Mon Mothma is she always thought everything could be solved through politics. Even after the Empire rose she still thought she could reason with Palpatine. It’s only after she is shown how foolish that line of thinking is does she focus on fighting…but still beyond reluctant to do so.
I couldn’t agree, more specially how that turned out when when the first order wiped out Hian prime
This is a writing problem as much as anything. For example, Hera had access to Huyang's very detailed scans of the Eye of Sion to present as proof of stolen hardware being used. She also proved that the military hardware was being stolen from Republic shipyards. Her mistake was even letting Xiono bring up Thrawn or Ezra. Hera should have thrown back at him that unknown parties were stealing military assets from the New Republic. A simple reminder of history: the Clone Wars did *not* begin on Geonosis. They began a decade earlier when a *shipping company* decided that they could refit their cargo freighters into battleships and conquer Naboo. Indeed, making the threat more nebulous like that would help scare more Senators with the possibility that it wouldn't take an Imperial Remnant to destabilize the Republic. A rogue corporation could do it, and *had* done it within many Senators' lifetimes.
Hera definitely doesn’t know how to “politic.”
@@mrs.manrique7411 - But Mon Mothma should. Heck, if I can think of this then she definitely should have. But instead she mostly just stands there looking concerned.
Yea it is writing problem. Even if they might not think it is Thrawn, with these much evidence it warrants a investigation by the council or allow Hera to send a small task force. It is not like she requested the whole fleet to investigate. At least assign a 3rd party task force to investigate and vet Hera's evidence.
They want to show the new republic as incompetent, but i think this is too much.
A thousand times this. Hera has acted completely incompetent as a fleet commander so the writers can make us hate this guy.
Spot on! This is the equivalent to Andors ISB debating isolated rebel cells. I know the NR is setup to fail, but the blatant stupidity/writing is odd.
When i first saw that character, i said to myself “what, has that generation tech guy gotten a role in star wars” but now that i see them side by side, it’s clear tha Xiono is a bit older.
As dickish as Xiono was acting, and as foolhardy as his dismissal of the Imperial Remnant is, most of what he was concerned about was valid. He said it -- a General abusing her authority to pursue a personal vendetta. Hera did *not* bring solid, hard evidence to the Senate even *when* she had it, or should have had it. She never mentioned the data from the tracking device, never brought up that those loyal to the Empire had taken a Super Star Destroyer hyperdrive, never gave flight recordings from her cockpit showing the Eye of Scion. Nothing! She continuously relied on her own experiences, belittled those who had different experiences, and it was a favour from a friend that got her out of hot water. She got at least two X-wing pilots *killed* for nothing. I don't blame Xiono one bit for being suspicious of her.
No he wasn't incorrect about the Imperial revenant no way one imperial warlord could create entire fortress on a supposed Dead Planet but yet he thinks it's just one crazy Imperial warlord and in General he is just a crybaby when C3PO came to give evidence to help her case and get her out of getting court-martial but yet he didn't want the Droid to give the evidence for some reason and I hope it wasn't because he is Droid racist he is a fool to not be worried about the Imperial revenant as if they unite they can destroy the new Republic especially if any commander likes thrawn would show up and it's like he's ignoring the evidence that is already there as no way he hasn't heard of the Imperial Revenant sending off hyperspace drives that doesn't sound like a scattered group of Imperial supporters to me and we can't forget about all the other evidence from the Mandalorian TV show that he should know about
To be fair, it's possible that her evidence was presented off-screen. But at the same time, I fully agree with it being Hera's fault, she could have easily claimed that the theft of a SSD hypercore in itself is a very, very dangerous event with very severe consequences and that she was simply following up on that risk
Just bc we didn't see it doesn't mean that she didn't do those things. Showing that stuff being done would've, unfortunately, been a waste of money & minutes that needed to be spent on the central story, not a side one.
Hera’s failure to support her actions with evidence she had access too is a pretty good point for how Xiono could dismiss her so easily. It’s too bad that Hera didn’t submit any evidence so she could be portrayed as more than having a personal vendetta while portraying Xiono as willfully ignorant and incompetent, but under closer examination, the opposite is almost true.
The optimist in me hopes it’s to portray Hera’s struggle to adapt to a political environment after a lifetime as a soldier but they way they portray Xiono as obnoxious in his dismissal and near-derision of Hera does little to make the conflict between them feel as nuanced as it perhaps should.
Xiono himself appears to be made a simple contrarian just to make Hera, despite her legitimate failures to support her claims of Thrawn’s imminent threat, look like the victim of other people’s inactions rather than her own actions.
@@smookypooch If something important happens off screen, you have to make it clear that it happened on screen. An easy fix for this situation would be: "You saw the data recordings I sent you, there is clearly something happening here." It would take only a few seconds to shore up Hera's case, instead we get the presentation of her as is
The divide between outer and inner rim made me think of a concept in Latin American history called “The Mask of Ferdinand”. This was where rebels fought the French authorities in Latin America in the name of the deposed Spanish king. When the king returned they then rebelled against him having no real love for a distant ruler.
The outer rim had little reason to love or restore the republic but plenty of reason to rebel. So perhaps for someone like Hera we have a “mask of the republic” rebelling for a cause that you don’t really believe in and does you no good but it is better then the alternative.
That's an awesome story. "Give us back our King! . . . . . Wait, nevermind, screw this guy " lmao
I have a theory that Star wars conflicts during the movies beyond their nomenclature of factions basically is showing constant Core vs Rim Wars: Republic vs Separatists; Empire vs Rebellion ; First Order vs New Republic... these are all conflicts between a centralized governement in the core develloped worlds against powers representing the interests of rim under develloped worlds. Essentially the Galaxy seems to be at an infraction point where the demographic shifts in the last centuries towards the Rim has created a situation where the Core is taking too many ressources from the growing rim worlds without giving anything in return apart from bad bureaucratic ruling. The Galaxy is becoming too Big, too spread out for centralized rule. The structure of a single galactic governement seems to be non functionnal. Maybe the Hyperspace tech is too slow for informations and authority to circulate efficiently across the Galaxy. The Core no longer produces anything and doesn't rule efficiently, so mechanically the Rim wants more independance, maybe autonomy. The core knows deep down their influence and relevance is slipping hence they oppress the Rim and take the ressources in classic Thucydides trap fashion only internally. This cycle we are seeing in the saga at this point in history can only end in galactic partition. Maybe a new governement system or a transport/communication tech breakthrough may be the catalyst for a united Galaxy once again but it won't be soon.
As the late bail organa once said "some minds cannot be altered no matter what they hear."
Xiono embodies this quote.
During the court martial, xiono refused to change his mind about hera or the possibility of thrawn's return or the threat of the remaining imperials despite the various incidents involving the imperial remnants and morgan elsbeth, and her mercenaries.
Although he did have a point about the lack of evidence regarding said imperial remnants working together.
But Xiono doesn't understand that the imperial remnants can be playing the same game that the rebel aliance at the beginning? Seem a lesser threat disorganized when is the opposite and only waiting for the right moment to strike.
Or liking numbers so much, and being that big shoot in the military structure in the New Republic, why he can see all the imperial warmachine that what was not found? Battalions of stromtroopers missing... Star Destroyers and lesser ships missing...
He can't make the question: where are they?
@@DavidBernad-e3m unfortunately some people like xiono for example never learn that ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.
@@DavidBernad-e3m also he didn't fight in the war so he doesn't understand military strategies.
Not everyone needs to fight in a galactic war but still as you pointed out he doesn't understand that the imperials are using the rebellion's own methods against them.
Sadly in our history we have big examples of people understimating a(hypothetical) enemy. The byzantines reputed the arabs only a bunch of nomadic tribes, and look how they crippled the Empire, same for the Chinese with the mongols. And naturally no one, either in the UK or in the USA tought that Japan would've been capable of crushing the combined allied forces in the Pacific, at least in the first months of the war.
Nelson Lee is doing an amazing job. I'm hating Senator Xiono, but I'm loving Lee's portrayal of him.
I mean, in resistance, he's implied to be a First Order sympathizer, so, he's probably imp friendly
Christ I hope not
Fukin imp simp
Never watched that show but good to see the corruption here
I actually didn’t see that in resistance. 🤔 Hamato Xiono seemed to be more worried about General Hux giving a speech like “the new republic has been lying to everyone and aiding the resistance” and derided his son for putting their family in danger.
No no no no he was ordering Kazuda to go in hiding after the event in the Hosnian system. He's not Imp he really is just pissed off at war.
I started cracking up when I pressed your video and it switched from the thumbnail to Alan they could be brothers!
I think Xiono is just an opportunist. He's a member of the defense council but keeps cutting Leia (the actual head of the defense council) out of the loop so he can build his support and take over. His reason for attacking Hera? She's connected to Mon Mothma. Embarass Hera and you embarass Mon Mothma in front of the council members he wants on his side.
Maybe he is an Imperial sympathizer or has grief with Hera for some reason, but simple political ambition explains both scenes he's been in so far. Plus he's a huge jerk.
Xiono was probably taking a page from Palpatine's rise to power, except Palpatine wanted to be the ultimate authority where I don't think Xiono is as ambitious.
@@lamarravery4094it's hard to say what the writers have planned for Xiono. Maybe.
There's really only two options: he's either a traitor or an idiot.
@@daniels7907worse he is a competent idiot
I look at him as he's trying to do what Padme was trying to do during the Clone Wars. Making sure resources are used for the people and not another war
While I appreciate the defense of the differences of opinion necessary for the functioning of a democracy, I don't think that's what Filoni's shooting for with Xiono. He may not be an outright Imperial sympathizer, but he's definitely representative of the problems that made the New Republic fall so quickly to the First Order. Filoni's painting the society of the core worlds as corrupt and not a little bit dumb, a weakness that's easily capitalized on by the fascists lurking in the shadows.
More or less. He reminds me of Kavanaugh (sp?) from Stargate: Atlantis. He was a dickhead and a half but that didn't mean he was always wrong.
Man's showcasing such a high level of incompetence that it could be mistaken for betrayal.
The thing that is lost among most people is the degree that most officers in countries like the United States are educated. Higher ranking ones like a General would have at least a Masters degree or equivalent. They have also spent time in the "political" side of rising thru the ranks that has to do with networking and gaining favor of others. Even General's like Han Solo who had field commissions would have found it hard to make it after the fall of the Empire. And who knows maybe that was what split him and Leia. She on the other hand had all of the skills to play that game. Even at the level of middle management you get to see how strange things can get from being the person doing to being the person saying what to do.
If Shia LaBeouf portrayed Aladdin, yeah, we'd basically have Ezra in Ahsoka.
He's the new Borsk Fey'lya. If Thrawn approaches the NR with a false promise of peace, Xiono would bite down on the hook and say that he'd rather work with Thrawn than with Hera.
I remember the name (Borsk) and that he was an ass. But not much else of the character.
@@AdmiralStoicRumhe’s a hero
@@bernoulli85 I understand he died doing something noble at the last moments of his life probably turned for the better a book before but i just don't remember what books he was in without research. He was always a pain in the butt iirc.
I also wanna say I recall him in young jedi knights, but probably not.
Then there was the errr, umm, did he die in the Thrawn Trilogy or did he do something right during the Yuuzang Vong war? Wikipedia would be so helpful right now, but I am sure you know off the top of your head to be able to make an obscure remark about the final moment of his life and then just dangle that useless bit of information
Yeah he sacrificed himself taking about of Yuuzang Vong, I always admired him for that. I haven't read every single book with him in it so I dont know his history all the way through but I always thought he and his Bothan buddies were super cool.@@AdmiralStoicRum
Or more likely tell the entire Republic that it was Sabine who brought him back, thus destroying Hera's credibility and proving Xiono's point.
Its kind of crazy that Hera just didnt go to Leia in the beginning to get approval. Hera knows that Leia is in the position to grant approval and no questions would have been asked and they know each other from the Rebels days so i guess she just didnt for mysterious reasons.
To be fair, when Mon Mothma pressed Hera on the issue of the approval, Hera said " Yes. . . eventually". You can take that as Hera going to her, and Leia didn't support her ar first, and over the course of the show finally agreed.
Due process. If Hera went straight to Leia, she’s stepping over the chain of command, which isn’t honest to democracy. While yes, Hera is right, it’s still the principle of the matter of not using personal connections to get what you want in a depmacry and to stay true to the system and oaths and military chain of command
It would have made sense, but that also would have meant bringing back Carrie Fisher with some CGI necromancy - I don't like that idea.
@@stuglife5514 no one mentions "Chain of command" in the episode, if it was a thing im sure the Senator would have brought it up instead of a little robot racism.
@@BrokenCurtain she doesnt need to appear on screen to give her permission, it could have been like in the episode and Hera offscreen gets permission or it could have been a hologram communication waay easier to fake a double.
Funny thing is, the only reason we're siding with Hera in this is because we have seen that she is right. Anyone who doesn't have access to the information Hera or we have would and saw what we saw would likely cheer on Xiono for keeping Hera in check. Let's look at history, almost every revolution in history has either ended in anarachy due to no one keeping the new system functioning or dictatorship from an ambitious politician or general taking advantage of personal and public favor as well as the undeveloped systems in place. I've got to respect the man
It is not a good reason, there were evidences such insurrection behaviour happening all around. The least the council could do is do a 3rd party investigation and vet information given by Hera. Also Hera is not asking for a whole fleet to prepare for war just a small task force to retreive more evidence.
bro what? There was literally evidence that everything she is saying is true. What about that female captain who the space whales passed by???? all she has to say is yep there was some huge ass space whales and they jumped. it's just bad writing. I like this show but this "court" scene was pretty awful.
No, I just think he's dumb for not even trying to hear out the possibility of what she's saying. I get that from his point of view it looks like she's lying but these people know who Thrawn is and how dangerous he is. He should have known as soon as he heard Thrawn's name that he's gambling the lives of many people up against wasting resources. They could have said they'd be willing to find Thrawn but under no circumstances save Ezra and that she wouldn't be allowed to go and see if she still stuck to her story then.
Who would side with the republic? They are total idiots made like that to lead the plot into the forsaken trilogy.
@@pawel0s1I think the machinations of some New Republic politicians are one reason why Han, Leia, and Luke found dealing with them and fighting the Empire so frustrating.
Ahsoka summed it up; it's not loyalty, it's greed. Senator Xiono doesn't look like he has missed too many meals as of late, and all one really has to do is follow the money.
Knowing that he survived the destruction of Hosnian Prime in 34 ABY (seen on Star Wars: Resistance) makes me pissed off even more
Xiono's a crafty, cunning buzzard who looks after his own interests and the republic to an extent. He really doesn't care what happens as long as him and his family r taken care of.
5:45 9:15 I vehemently disagree. There's more than enough politicians and core world governments that would've taken Hera at her word and would've devoted resources for a proactive operation to prevent a theoretical danger. Certainly Palpatine would've listened if Thrawn told him about a threat from afar that might materialize; he even made Thrawn a Grand Admiral for that very same reason. And I'm sure the Jedi Council under Yoda might've at least allocated some resources to help Hera if she was asking the Old Republic for help instead.
I can understand if Xiono has something to lose, if Hera wants something more than just a task force. For example, if Hera wants to assume control of the entire navy to rally a manhunt for Thrawn and Ezra, then yes, Xiono's bitching at Hera would make sense, but that isn't the case here. Hera is just asking for a task force, and they lose nothing if she comes home empty-handed. Xiono is just being an ass, for the sake of being an ass, just like Borsk Fey'lya before him. He literally loses nothing if Hera takes some ships on a wild goose chase, which makes his resistance to her all the more baffling and vindictive. It's like he just gets up in the morning thinking of new ways to screw Hera over.
It'd make more sense if Xiono is being blackmailed by the Empire; like say, Thrawn's men have holos of him sleeping with other senators' wives, and they threaten to release said holos unless he hampers Hera Syndulla's operation; or maybe he just preferred life under the Empire and secretly wants Thrawn to win, since he's probably old enough to remember that the Old Republic was a dysfunctional pile of crap and the Empire was more effective and efficient than it. At least those explanations would make far more sense as to why Xiono has such a raging hate-boner for Hera on the Senate floor.
Ah, but from Xiono's perspective he does have something to lose. If he allows one general to divert one task force for personal reasons (for that is what he sees this as), then the next time a general (or heaven forbid, an admiral) comes to him asking to use military resources for personal reasons, their request now has precedence. Enough of these, and anyone with a military rank, and half the politicians in the galaxy, can use military resources to do whatever they want. Not to mention that there are only so many task forces to go around, or that moving them is incredibly expensive and a government only has so much money to use for a million different things, some of which are important to Xiono.
But you did raise a good point about there likely being some ulterior motive. I don't think it has to be something that extreme (though of course it could be) - maybe he just wants to take some money out of the defense budget for a pet project of his. It could even be a case of caring so much about something important that he ignores something more important.
@@samueldimmock694 Then wouldn't it be better for Xiono to let Hera go off with her task force, then when she finds nothing, Xiono can use that case to tell an admiral to stuff it if he asks for resources?
Xiono is a Polichicken. The type of person who avoids fighting in a war. Then after the dust has settled sneaks into a position of power to lord over the people who did the fighting. I have run into people like him in over 50 years of life.
@@samueldimmock694 It also doesn't make sense writing wise, there were already evidence of insurrections. The least the council could do is assign the investigation to another 3rd party general/ task force if they think Hera have a personal agenda in this case. Let the 3rd party investigator vet the information Hera provided.
This is not about character or reality - it's merely plot mechanics... the reason they don't accept her evidence - STORY!
It was just setting up the tension for the eventual return. It was clumsy and formulaic but it was effective.
I actually thought you had a cameo on the show as the Senator Xiono. I'm not kidding. Thumbs UP
I'm honestly shocked that nobody brought up "clearly our enemies think they can bring back Thrawn, so we should definitely try stopping them, even if we don't know if he actually can come back"
He's playing the role of the Bothan, Borsk Fey'lya, from Heir to the Empire. There is no doubt an agenda behind his actions.
It would have been great if Filoni used a bothan for the role.
Definitely has viral fey,lya vibes even the way he dresses and looks
Hera: 'Waited to see who came out on top?' SICK BURN!
It is true we do need to remember that we are seeing these events from the perspective of Hera and the people fighting against thrawn, we have direct knowledge of thrawns return, as a viewer from the fourth wall, so we can not expect the senators and characters to act how we would, we have knowledge they do not.
Exactly. WE know what's happening, but Hera shared basically none of the information with the committee...and if shocked they don't believe her.
gratz to the role, you killed it
Either the senator is imperial remnant, has ties to the banking sector or is willfully ignorant to the threats that are coming. All are scary possibilities.
All boring options and indicative of amateur hour writing. Why can't Disney hire competent writers and show runners? What an abortion of a show.
@TheJobyDick the vast majority disagree with you, I believe. This, by far, has been the best year for Star Wars since Disney took over.
@@seandawson5899 I'm not terribly worried about what the opinion of others is, tho
@@seandawson5899it seems Joby deleted their comment. Well, guess that's the end of it.
I actually thought that YOU played Xiono!❤
But there is a huge issue. Xionno bypassed the defence council and called vote behind leia's back because Hera did something she was not supposed to while doing something he wasn't supposed to do. He himself didn't follow proper procedure. This seems to indicate he has something personal against Hera. How does a committee vote on an issue while the head of it's department is not only missing but informed of it meeting
You are correct. Leia should have been there by hologram, or she should have ordered Hera not to appear and challenged Xionno (who was only her peer) to do something about it.
Empathy is one of the most powerful tools can have when encountering any type of situation. Learn as much as you can about the other individual and try to put yourself in their shoes, because once you figure out what their mindset is, you'll be able to better deal with them.
Well said Alan, lesson of the month for me❤
It's not that the senator is a contrarian to Hera, it's that he seems to be so against the idea of the possibility of a resurgent empire he is unwilling to even allow the name remnant for the forces which is colouring his decision making. He clearly lives in a bubble of pacifism, he wants everyone else to have his opinion because that would be great and so he can't understand how fanatics will do irrational things without any reason to destroy what he loves. Simple naivety for a politician really, maybe losing his homeworld helped enlighten him to the madness.
The sad thing is his planet ends up being the target of a First Order attack during Resistance.
@@michaelmaiara4770 that never happened. He survived Hosnian Prime blowing up and then went into hiding from the First Order, that is the last we hear of the coward for now.
The scene with hera speaking of Thrawns return in front of the senate and noone believing her was literally stolen from the original Thrawn trilogy. There, it is Han that tries to convince them and Borrsk Fey'lya plays the role (throughout the first two books) that Xiono does in Ahsoka.
He might be very scared what the Empire returning is. He probably survived it and doesn't wanna think the war didn't end
Seriously, if any one had half a brain they'd immediately open a deep investigation on this guy after his bizarre and almost comically suspicious behavior.
Exactly
I’m convinced he’s an Imperial Loyalist
Would be a massive Retcon, on the level of Jaster maarel
nah i don't think so
I mean, i recently heard that if Resistance season 3 had happened that would’ve been the reveal.
I don't think that Filoni is that dumb to do a childlike thing as portraying every person who disagrees with the protagonists as a evil agent of the empire lol.
He may just be taking money from the empire or crime syndicates to just be absolutely terrible to weaken or just trying to discredit rivals to claim more power for himself
I think Xiono is just a good situation of someone who takes their job very seriously if not too seriously. He wants to make sure corruption isn't getting into the New Republic (Even though it already has). I think he's gonna be a good guy that we have to win over to our side type of situation. Like after Thrawn appears on the New Republic radar, he will be more than willing to provide to keep the people safe. As well as eat his words, I think we just gotta give him time to understand the situation he's in (Thrawns Return).
The problem is that once Thraw return, well the s...t will hit the fan so violently that all Xiono desire to help will be important and helpfull like a snowflake in a massive wildfire
@@lukedalton Or Thrawn tells everyone Sabine is the reason he's back, thus leading Xiono to regain his credibility while also ending up slannering the Ghost Crew as the ones held resposbile.
@@coletrain583 hmmm who is more believable? One of last higher rank member of the Star Wars universe nazi regime equivalent personally guilty of war crimes or a group of war heroes, member of the rebellion from the beginning etc. etc. Plus if there wasn't for Hera not giving a damn about Xiono order they will not even know that Thraw is back .
@@lukedalton I'm not defending war criminals. I'm just saying if it weren't for Sabine' choice, Thrawn wouldn't have came back. That's the argument.
@@coletrain583 it's not a question of defending anyone is that can be summed up with 'Thrawn word against the one of the heroes' (yep i get that there can be video proof of this but i haven't see any camera recording the effective event) and nobody in the Republic that is not already an imperial supporter had any reason to believe him instead of what basically consist in Rebellion royalty. Plus even if this happen for (plot) reason, Xiono is not out of troubles, they know that Thraw is back only because Hera ignored his order and they had missed him by second. i
Even from a purely internal perspective, his positions aren't all that out of whack. The conversation implies that Hera has put a great deal of effort to use New Republid resources to search for Thrawn and Ezra. After years of this post Endor and no actual evidence, there's likely a great deal of political resistance.
However, the New Republic reaction to events is horribly managed. They have a Dark Jedi that slaughters the crew of a capital ship, which is then tied to the theft/appropriation of a Star Dreadnaught sized engine that's tkaen to an Outer Rim world. Then you have one of the few Jedi within the Republic going in pursuit.
That alone is sufficient cause to send a recon force out to the area supported by a cruiser and for a massive investigation as to how a Core shipyard is taken over by the Imperial Remnant and assassin droids come and go on one of the key systems of the Republic.
Instead there's a hero of the Rebellion taking a few fighters with her to backup a Jedi against a Dark Jedi and unknown threat that has clearly shown massive infiltration of the New Republic's naval support structure. The fact that a cruiser task force is sent out after Hera rather than to investigate is a sign of far, far too much undue influence of the Defense Council on military operations than is healthy.
Also the fact that upon threat of Court Martial Hera's story is called ridiculous when.. You have three cruisers seeing hyperspacing whales jumping along and are told it's Jedi business defies the narrative. Again, there is likely immediate cause for conference of the Defense Council - but their reactions are wholly out of line. The necessity of a chain of command and adherence to civilian leadership is a virtually sacred duty.
The review there is a failure of the Republic Admiralty to review the situation and in turn brief the council. Whether or not Thrawn is alive this is clearly a priority Jedi affair (which the Republic is almost automatically bound to support) involving immense military scale corruption within the planetary infrastructure. That's something that New Republic Intelligence should have put it's boot (or flipper) down on.
Leia: Send this message to your father
Kaz: Ma’am it just says go f yourself
(Saw this meme on discord)
I think Xiono is meant to be the embodiement of the arrogant complacency that eventually allowed for the anihilation of the Hosnian system to happen.
His kneejerk reaction on defining the Imperial Remnant is a sign of his corruption
100% 😂
When asked if he would had served in the war, he should’ve responded no the clones fought that and then the empire took over
Immediately called that he's an imperial simp or plant the moment he opened his mouth. While his concerns are valid, his immediate and absolute dismissal of new information and the way he treats Threepio, who's well implied by the entire council's reaction to Xiono calling him a "mere droid" to be a well known figure in the rebel alliance and essentially a war hero shows to me an almost irrational rush to bury the entire affair of Thrawn's possible return as quickly as possible, because unless the guy's been living under a rock I don't buy that he doesn't know who C-3PO is if he wanted to be any sort of intelligent politician.
Also Hera's request wasn't exactly unreasonable. If the idea is to hunt down and stomp out Imperialist remnants, and they *know* some existed because Xiono himself even acknowledged Moff Gideon and the battle of Mandalor, even if he dismissed it as an "isolated incident", it proves the possibility that Imperial Remnants exist in the universe hidden from sight. Even if Hera lacked immediate evidence, why would she...herself a known Alliance hero and general for almost the entirety of its existence, not even be given the benefit of a doubt or at least some resources to make sure? He vehemently challenged even that since the beginning. His fast and absolute dedication to not even hearing out the hypothetical threat, and attempting to brush it under the rug as quickly as possible just screams to me of intentional political collusion to protect something. I wouldn't be surprised if he was instrumental in later ruining Leia Organa's reputation by bringing to light that Darth Vader was her father, and helping to politically keep the New Republic fractured and weak so the First Order could come in and do their thing.
He's either totally an imperial sympathizer, a horrible politician, or a badly written character. We'll see which in time.
i thought that was u in a wig at first on the thumbnail🤣🤣
I actually thought about photoshopping my head into one of the xionos 😆
No offense, but when I first saw Xiono's character, my first thought was wait, is that the gentech guy? Lol
@GenerationTech did you serve on the Senate?
Senator Xiono is the doppelgänger of Generation Tech
Xiono here is basically my country (Brazil's) stance towards the Ukrainian x Russian conflict: evading meaningful answers, minimizing the prospect of a war, both-sides-ism and lowkey simping for Russia (in Xiono's case, the Empire).
Ironically enough in-universe Xiono's homeworld of Hosnian Prime is going to be obliterated further down the line but the very evil he helped pay no mind to.
And Xiono happened to be off-world when it happened, so the question is was that a wake-up call for him or will he just try to present himself as the new Leia Organa for political gain? (Along with exploiting his son's war hero status as a Resistance fighter pilot.)
Properly nuanced analysis man. Enjoying the content, keep it up!
He’s the Disney equivalent of Sen. Borsk Fey’lya from the books. Maneuvering to make his world dominant in the new galactic order by undermining Leia and Adm. Ackbar’s faction. They probably changed him to human to avoid the SFX budget for another hairy alien. His role on the books was to be the “with friends like these” antagonist.
If you have ever seen a general in a senate hearing. They always speak with respect. Its part of military protocol..
He's either your typical unqualified politician who has a massive chip on his shoulder or he's an Imperial remnant agent. There's a good case for either or, loads of coincidence surrounding his family all being off world when Starkiller base blrw up a bunch of planets.
I cant understand why so many people are claiming Hera had no evidence? She literally caught an entire scrapyard full of imperial loyalists sending hyper drives off somewhere and put a tracker on an escaping ship leading to that system.
It's like finding 5 mice in your kitchen you catch 4, the fifth runs off with paint on its feet leaving a trail to their nest and you just ignore it shrug your shoulders and pretend you didn't even catch the 4 mice currently in your hands.
Hes gotta be an imperial sympathizer. Theres no way he would be so adamant about stopping hera otherwise. Kudos to the actor.
Yeah the part about holding a vote without Leia is a big part in me believing he’s a imperial pawn, either an agent or paid off or something to cause trouble / slow down the more rebellious new republic leaders
His Arguments are good. Without the knowledge that we have, we would all act exactly as him.
Xiono is the Star Wars Dolores Umbridge.
Look, if this were real I would agree that Xiono is playing politics and has nothing to do with any Imperial remnant. But this is Disney Star Wars. They don't really do "deep characters" and complicated motivations. It's nearly always skin deep, which means Xiono is likely a closet Imperial and probably worse.
At first I thought it was a devils advocate situation. But then he took it personally😂😂
Wasn't it heavily implied in Resistance that Sen. Xiono was a First Order simp, or at the very least part of that faction in the NR? I recall that scene with uh DJ in TLJ talking about the MIC being pretty applicable to him. This show further reinforces that by a ton. I think it was a great move to use that obscure unlikeable character here, making them even more so. He's totally undermining the NR on purpose.
I really don’t think resistance was claiming Xiono was supporting the First Order. I think he was merely appeasing them out of fear.
@@mrs.manrique7411 I don't really want to rewatch that dumpster fire, but I might have to at least throw that single episode on where he actually shows up instead of being mentioned. Anyway, I remember my takeaway from his character in Resistance was that which I mentioned earlier. To get into more detail, regarding him being part of the pro-Imperial faction of the senate that was around in the Aftermath trilogy I think? Linking to that is that monologue from TLJ about how all the corps are selling to both NR/FO and all the politicians are making money off it, etc.
So as far as this time period goes, we're being shown that the NR is quite infiltrated by Imp simps to a large degree. From the manufacturing/shipyards to the plants/spies elsewhere in the bureaucracy, now it's people in power in the senate. Xiono is perfect in that role showing us that the senate is already failing.
We have to get to the state of things in the sequels somehow, and as much as we dislike it they've been doing a good job at showing us how much the NR sucks. Kinda falls in line with aspects of society today tbh.
Well hello there my friend Allen❤
I see Senator Xiono as somewhat in the the same vein as Poe and Admiral Holdo. I love Poe's Character, but his actions lead to the destruction of a very important battlegroup that can specifically destroy a Dreadnought. Due to his lack of planning the Resistance could not engage the Main Fleet with the Supremacy Star Destroyer. Hera sends a small task fleet to investigate Thrawn and got 2 pilots killed with little to show for it besides a minor report.
Granted, those bombers had a life expectancy of a mayfly and the durability of tissue paper.
@Lobsterwithinternet yea honestly those bombers were more dangerous to the young flight crews then the First order
The problem and that was a failure of Johnson, is that without Poe attack the Fulminatrix will have decimated the Resistance fleet so for any pratical purpose the loss of the bomber fleet was a necessary move to save what remained of their forces
@@lukedalton Pretty much.
Poe himself says that dreadnoughts are fleet killers. If Poe followed Leia’s orders, they would have just been destroyed later by the dreadnought anyway, making preserving those bombers pointless.
But wasn't dealing with dreadnaughtcis why Supermacy came and started tracking them?
I was simply baffled by him saying her report read like a fairy tale. Sheltered in the core worlds or not, he lives in STAR WARS. The galaxy is so absurd, things like space whales and false Jedi should be Tuesday to him.
Right? Like Thrawn’s original defeat and destruction of the death star wasn’t in school curriculum? Purgil and Jedi, Hera’s explanation wasn’t far fetched.
He is a politician so all here care about is his election
When they saved Coruscant, I do wish they had saved the New Republic too!
Was the thing I had been the most excited to see, going into that film.
A general shouldn’t need permission to go investigate the whereabouts of a known criminal who escaped by destroying everyone on a prison transport. Why would a defense counsel not approve that?
They're not at war right now, there has to be oversight.
No, every non normal(traning, manuvers, etc.) NEED civilian goverment aproval. No general or admiral can send comandoes without that. This is why police is for ivestigation and chasing criminals military for country defence. Heck even US costal guard during peace is under DoHS not DoD.
@@lamarravery4094 I get there needs to be an overall oversight, but there needs to be some room for a general to be able to pursue and investigate leads on a convicted criminal, who hired a mercenary to free who massacred an entire ship full of military personnel. Or if she has to answer to a defense counsel then that should have been their focus not the threat of Thrawn.
@@elainel4642 They're trying to build a Republic, if you have a general doing whatever she wants, that's an empire. We know she has the best of intentions, she sees a threat to the Republic, but she has to follow the rules. Look what happened to MacArthur during the Korean War, he was our best general and he didn't follow orders to stop advancing. Truman knew the Chinese would get involved if we got close to their borders and that's what happened. Truman was so pissed at McArthur and had to fire him.
Senator Xiono looks like Allen.
It's actually history kinda repeating itself believe it or not
I think even Palpatine admitted himself that the majority of senators were too greedy or fearful of threats or certain situations that he didn't really need to influence the many senators in the Senate room, really at all
Edit: Obviously it's a little different because Palpatine was leader of The Republic and later the Empire but Mon Mothma is currently the leader of The New Republic, though mistakes are being made and it's caused from multiple reasons not necessarily one person
Oh Palpatine was just biding his time until he could remove the Senate. He was Sith and Sith were born to rule after all. No need for a pesky 'Committee' trying to override him at any moment. He was to be Supreme Rule of the Galaxy.
The problem was even after he removed the Senate, he discovered that he actually couldn't rule alone. Even with Vader acting as his Enforcer, the galaxy was just too big for one man.
In this way he did discover what Mon Motha is now. Lessers with aspirations to power are only self interested. They will only look after their own self interests and not be the good little obedient drones he wanted them to be. Palpatine was privately very unhappy with the state of his Empire. The only difference between him and the current Council of the New Republic is that Palpatine could just off the offending waste of his time.
@@graveyardshift6691 Yeah pretty much but Palpatine was able to do what most sith from the past weren't able to
Or at least rule slightly longer and rein on top when the odds were slightly against him at first
@@carlosperalta4351 I'll give him that.
Am I the only one who saw Senator Xiono and thought...
"What the heck is Allen doing here? Who's running Generation Tech?"
People like Xiono are essential in a democratic government, even if he's wrong in this moment. Civilian control of the military and a reluctance to solve issues with military action are positives.
Unless he’s an imperial spy / paid off by them
Honestly the thing that bugs me the most about several of these videos is you treat it like he didn't start the personal attacks
1:06 Actually, most government systems wouldn't be as bad as the New Republic. The NR is sinking under red tape mere years into their founding. Most regimes start out strong and proactive, and only rot with time. Like the Holy Roman Empire, which was a powerful empire during the early Middle Ages, but a dying husk by the time of Napoleon; they existed for about a thousand years. If the NR was any bit realistic, they'd help Hera Syndulla with her search, and only after several years of failure, turning up nothing, would they call off the search and tell her to get over Ezra's death. They would also start investigating those two Dark Jedi and those stolen SSD hyperdrives rather thoroughly, and would've approved of Hera taking a fleet to Seatos.
Heck, the real-world USA would've probably thrown Hera all the support she needs. The Yanks have approved of riskier stuff than a glorified scout patrol looking for a lost war hero. This is why Xiono's resistance to Hera makes no bloody sense. There is literally nothing to lose for Xiono if he approved of Hera's mission from the start. If anything, with his world being a manufacturing world, even the false alarm of a war would get him money since his world could produce and sell military starships to sectors who might be scared of Thrawn's return. Instead, Xiono is just being an ass for the sake of being an ass, just like Borsk Fey'lya before him, making the New Republic worthless in the eyes of the viewers, just like it was in the NJO novels.
All it does is show us that Thrawn taking over is probably for the best. If Thrawn wasn't going to cap off his victory by slaughtering the rebel heroes, his victory would've been seen as the best ending, and it probably could have saved the galaxy a lot of grief. Thrawn might've even turned against Palpatine when the old man comes back, given the fact that Palpatine went full-in on Stardust with his Xyston-class Star Destroyer Fleet, which Thrawn opposed back when the same concept was being put forth as the Death Star.
This soooo much. Really my main problem with all the senate meeting scenes is that the characters don't seem (to me at least) to be acting realistically. If they had shown some logical reason for him to be so antagonistic toward Hera, it would be fine in my eyes. But basically the instant we first see him, he is opposing her. Maybe mention some failed attempts to find Thrawn in the past that lead to some deaths of people under her or something... like what we see happen. Give him some actual ammunition against her instead of him just staunchly refusing to consider Thrawn survived.
And on the other hand, if the intention is to have him be an imperial sympathizer... he wouldn't be so antagonistic toward Hera; a war hero who has the ear of the Chancellor and Leia. That would just draw attention. He would try to appease her or work around her behind the scenes.
TLDR: Just make the characters smarter in their interactions, at least in the Senate scenes. Just my opinion.
I mostly agree but counterpoint the United States had no federal military after the revolution had ended. It wasn’t until the whisky rebellion that a federal military gained support. What then was meant to be a meeting to alter the “articles of confederation” which was the weak constitution of the time turned into an entire reorganization of the United States government and the adoption of a brand new constitution.
However I agree with you that in this situation the new Republic should have learned from a weak republic with no military which is what allowed palatine to manipulate the clone wars. The clone wars was their whisky rebellion. The difference is an empire took over before the republic could truly reform.
@@Big_Red1 I seem to remember Xiono making a passing reference to previous attempts to find Thrawn (he said something like "yet another attempt to use military resources for what has become a personal quest to find your friend", which suggests to me that there have been numerous other attempts to find him, and support for those attempts has waned over time).
If there had been enough of these attempts, I could see the senate committee dismissing any evidence Hera might present without bothering to inspect them (she's just making stuff up, like she did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that...), though the Dark Jedi and stolen military hardware the OP mentioned is another matter entirely.
Something's definitely gone wrong if the evidence Hera found didn't cause an immediate investigation. As I mentioned above, there does seem to be good reason for the defense committee not to trust Hera, but that should just mean putting someone else in charge.
But just because there's a problem doesn't mean it's the Senators at fault. You can't expect people to act on information they weren't given, and based on how Hera interacted with the Defense Committee, it's clear that she'd assume they were choosing to ignore the evidence without bothering to check that they'd received it. Maybe military high command is the source of the problem. Maybe it's someone on the Senators' staff. There are a lot of places where a government can break, and while it's easiest to blame the people in charge, they're not always at fault (though oftentimes they are, and I'm not assuming that isn't the case here, I just don't want to assume the opposite without evidence).
Now I realised just that I am always so absorbed by your videos, that I forgot to give you likes!
If you don't want to allocate even a small but of recources to prevent/seek out threats that will literally destroy everything you've built im sorry but i would rather have Jar Jar over that type of person it really felt like he didn't like Hera tbh
Erm did you forget jarjar put palps in power?
My dude Allen is always gonna keep it real, even down to the title of the video, respect 🤣
I think he’s the canon version of borosk falia, the bothon chancellor from legends
If he was a bothan, he’d be a bothan, xiono is a character from Star Wars: resistance
💯 I love your super based takes so much. Everything gets divided into extremes these days, whereas most of us fall somewhere in the middle. Balance is key in everything. 💖
Xiono I'm assuming is aligned with the Imperials, either that or is completely incompetent and/or in denial (makes me sad to hear he survived, one of the bright parts of this show for me was thinking "yup, he dies, bet he wishes he believed in the Imperial Remnant"). Mon Mothma (ever since the updated universe started happening, basically everything other than her appearance in RotJ) is a weak leader and in my opinion a bad one, she's more concerned about trying to placate people, you're never going to be able to make everyone happy. She doesn't have a backbone to do anything (or even have anything done) in Andor. Let us not forget that if she had been allowed to "lead" in Rogue 1 (Without the Rogue 1 crew and the general ignoring her and doing their own thing), the original death star either wouldn't have been destroyed or if it was would have happened much later because the plans wouldn't have been retrieved. Really most of what this show has revealed so far is that there is already corruption throughout the entire republic and the corrupt ones seem like the most competent, the others are mostly idiots who don't see (either deliberately or through their own stupidity) what is going on and absolutely don't want anyone to prove them wrong. Allen keeps talking about Hera having no facts but she should have some (ie the scans of the giant hyperspace ring, the fact that it was connected to the Imperial loyalists on corellia) but the show (and some of the politicians) just don't want to accept it, or Hera just isn't mentioning it. So either the people in the world are all evil or incompetent, or the writing of the show is poor, or a mix of both.
"Good's only role in a Kingdom is to check the aspirations of the evil. Evil at least, has a plan when it comes to ruling an Empire."
Senator Xiono in live action looks like Allan if he decided to become a politician.
Allen still hasn't acknowledged the fact that he looks EXACTLY like Xiono
Funny, I just realize now that Alan and the Xiono actor look alike😂, slow mind me.
13:00 "A general who knows his enemy, and who knows himself, need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles."
-Sun Tzu
There's a variety of different phrasings, I'm sure I'm part because Chinese doesn't translate very directly to western languages. But that's the gist of it.
Can someone explain why they didn’t have the coffins loaded up in the chimera already to go the instant Thrawns help showed up? He knew they were coming. The night mothers have force powers or magic so they should be able to open their own tombs and load up their 💩, why they have to have it sprawled all over the hanger instead of in an empty room(s) is beyond belief
I mean, we don't know what is in the coffins. For all we know, they were stored in such a way for the protection of others. So they should spend as little time as possible on the Chimera itself.
@bellgrand
Ya they could’ve loaded them 3 days ahead of when they showed up and they’d spend the same amount of time in the chimera as they currently are as no matter what they’d need 3 days to load them so my point still stands
@@dakotalange2858maybe they didn't know when exactly morgan would show up
When you live on a world full of ancient magic, much of which either comes from an ancient evil or is involved in keeping it at bay, and most of which you no longer fully understand and/or lack the power to alter or bypass, a lot of things make sense that ordinarily would not. There's probably something special about the tombs that can't be replicated, making it a bad idea to have the coffins anywhere else for longer than absolutely necessary.
You know...he kind of looks like Alan's evil twin.
On the bright side, that confirms Alan is the heroic twin.
Xiono's reasoning was actually very good, and Hera really constantly tried to abuse her power and position being rebellion hero. In this small case New Republic is working as actual normal government, that can't blindly trust single general with no evidence and waste resources for mission that takes origin from rumors and intuition.
Exactly. And when we eventually get to TFA, Hera is nowhere to be seen and is largely absent from the sequel trilogy until the battles of Jakku and Exegol where we see the Ghost put in a quick cameo.
Something happened to Hera that caused her to retire or be drummed out of the military and I believe battling Thrawn and becoming frustrated with the politics of the NR is what caused her to walk away and disappear for a while.
Wait. Wait. Xiano looks like you. Just older, more pimple damage, with a wider skull.
Disney is lucky creators like you flesh out what to me felt like forced written conflict. Especially as it seemingly ended inconclusively thanks to a fan service moment, but again you helped make it barely believable. 😂
Xiono knows where Mothma hid the bodies...
Alan did always give off pro imperial energy.
Glad I’m not the only one that thinks this 🤣
What bothered me the most about this exchange is she never told the council about the SSD hyperdrive that was illegally allocated to Morgan Elsbeth🤦🏽♂️🤷🏾♂️ there's the prof right there... L😮💨
The video title is everything.
I don't respect a lot of TH-camrs there's only one other but you're fast becoming the second I didn't think this was possible...
What a lovely presentation of psychology within politics! Love it! And also affirms why I hate politics! lol
Do People dislike him because I don't dislike him. When You have characters like this it makes the show real.
Great Video!
These comments feel like people didn’t actually watch the video and listen to what you said. Also the Gus Fring reference was funny. Keep it up man 🤙
Well, considering how Dave Filoni has kept people guessing, would it really be that obvious? I would say wait and see.
While we don't know much about Xiono's allegiance, I do think he was right in denying Hera's request. He is part of the Defense Council and has to decide where to assign the New Republic's ever diminishing fleet to (we've already seen in The Mandalorian that a single starfighter squadron is patrolling the Arkanis Sector, and that's around the same time as the Ahsoka series [we don't know if other squadrons or larger ships are actually out there patrolling that sector, but considering the context clues in The Mandalorian series, I'd say it's a good bet that there is no one else {how often did Din Djarin bump into Captain Carson despite the different planets they were on?}]). He has to allocate where the fleet needs to go, and sending these very important and dwindling number of ships on a wild goose chase wouldn't be very sensible for one in his position.
Think about it, if you were told a person that disappeared to parts unknown years ago thanks to a magic space wizard and some giant space whales that could jump into hyperspace was returning, would you believe it? I know I'm sounding like I'm discrediting Thrawn's threat level, but how many (loyal) people in the New Republic are actually aware of him? Mon Mothma, Leia, Hera & her Ghost crew, and those who served in the early rebellion are the only ones I can think of that know he's a very real threat. Like Alan said, Thrawn disappeared pretty early on in the rebellion, and his accomplishments before that were not many for those in the Imperial Navy to log in (I'd say that was on purpose due to him being an alien from the Unknown Regions, Imperial sympathizers within the New Republic likely destroying any intel on the man probably helped too).
Everyone being dismissive of Thrawn shouldn't be mocked in doing so. We the audience know what he's truly capable of because we've seen Rebels & read the books, but admittedly very precious few in the whole of the Star Wars galaxy do (and thanks to the efforts of those sympathizers, only those people would ever truly know). So yes, Xiono's decision in denying Hera's request was completely justifiable. Was it the wrong choice? Absolutely, but as they say: hindsight in 20-20.