I really hate how the new republic saw what happened to the old republic not having a proper military and did the same thing mon mothma should be impeached
@@rebellious_red7123The problem is that even in the old EU, the New Republic and eventually the Galactic Alliance actually did eventually become a military authoritarian regime under Darth Caedus and Admiral Daala, and this led directly to the resurrection of the Empire under the Fel dynasty. Even before then, the New Republic was falling apart politically before and during the early phase of the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion.
Yeah it's like where did there army go from the rebellion? In Ashoka there was one fleet and it was small, plus all the soldiers became guys in dumb blue uniforms with the old rebellion helmets
eu new republic had a lot of issues, and they had even less control over the galaxy as minor factions had popped up everywhere, that's why they got absolutely wrecked by the yuuzhan vong
These pirates are veterans of surviving in the Empire as well gained their foothold in the Empire fall, so they are hard as rocks. We even saw how the Underworld was gearing up in the Afthermath novels, leading to this situation. This is why you don't suddenly replace the Empire Fleets with much fewer fleets. We saw how they came up with a great ship in Ashoka that served as a balance between carrier and assault frigates, have two or three escort a Mon Cala Cruiser (plus other vessels) and have them be patrol fleets.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 also in Star Wars Resistance, the local pirates that constantly harass the Colossus station are in fact hired by and armed by The First Order.
Note that there wasn't a "single credit" in the hold in a casual spot as if left there after the last time the ship carried credits...that was a single credit placed in a very conspicuous spot of the floor inside the reinforced, sealed hold in mockery of anyone who breached that hold...not only in disregard of the lives of the crew who defended the ship and that hold, but a giant glowing middle finger (or the Star Wars equivalent) to any pirates as if to say "You just fought and died for NOTHING."
Also I feel Disney lifted that scene from Potc: Stranger Tides where Sparrow is down on his luck like that space captain and steals a bank vault, risks his crew only to find the vault door was left open and only a single coin remained.
Mean not unheared of pirates that use stealth to steal, specialy since a crew of 5-6 speclists would have such a bigger share compared to a full crew that need to take it by force.
I just really want to see Hondo Ohnaka in live action. I know he is definitively alive at this point since he later helps the Resistance. Also, everyone seems to have forgotten Hondo and how legendary he was, double-dealing with everyone during the Clone Wars with relative success. He was crucial ally during the Galactic Civil War as well. As far as pirates go, he was pretty honorable.
Hondos ship was docked at the place the kids went too in the bottom left of the screen when they first got there, hoping it’s foreshadowing his appearance but could easily just a be a lil Easter egg for the iykyk crowd
If only there were some kind of organisation with its own warships to keep the space-lanes safe for traders. A kind of Trade Federation, if you will...
Probably the successful pirates now have formed territories and take tolls (or protection money) from trade companies in return for their ships not being intercepted.
Technically, Treasure Island is public domain. The 1950 movie and Treasure Planet are Disney. Legally speaking, you can make as many stories and movies related to Treasure Island as much as you want as long as you don’t directly relate it to the Disney versions.
The problem with the New Republic is that many of its leaders experienced two wars in one lifetime. As a result, they had their fill of war, which may have contributed to the New Republic reducing the size of its fleet. Also, in order to make a new government as quickly as possible, they assimilated much of the Empire's old assets into their infrastructure. However, doing this caused several loyal Imperials to infiltrate the New Republic like Morgan Elsbeth's operation on Corellia. Essentially, it's for the best that the New Republic was destroyed by the First Order. Now, the galaxy's citizens will hopefully learn from their mistakes and rebuild a new government properly.
I liked when they covered how dumb the NR was in Mando season 2 or 3 where they were dismantling perfectly good Imperial military assets and destroying knowledge just because.
IMO I think that the only way to fight piracy in the Star Wars universe is local governments not single planets I’m talking hapes size enough power to defend borders and internally
I actually came up with a bit of a solution in my world building mental exercises. I chose a manufacturer like Hoersch-Kessel to design a deep space patrol shuttle with essentially the firepower of an X-Wing mixed with a small living cabin. 2 R6 astromech droids would help keep these shuttles going while assisting with the sensor scans and powering the automation that HKD specializes in. The pilot would be there supervising the day to day operations while providing piloting in emergency situations. Each pair of these shuttles would basically keep a pilot on duty in 12 hour rotations with mandatory breakfast and supper face-to-face meetings with their wingman. Mental health is important and all of that. I came up with a solution all the way up the chain in terms of progressively larger ships, and even a basic solution for the defense of individual planets. But basically the planets would receive a hangar and number of fighters to reflect the size of their population and an officer for each X number of fighters. They would command and operate these squadrons while the local population would provide the appropriate militia pilots to train. Etc and so forth.
@samuelstephen8147 it would be good if we eventually see him in live action unfortunately I don't think it will be in Skeleton crew mentioned maybe though
Down with the New Republic. They’re weak and cannot protect hyperspace lanes. We need change now. My uncle was lost 2 weeks ago. We haven’t heard news of his whereabouts. This government needs to be replaced.
Organized pirate organizations almost always are built by ex-military and professionals. During the age of sail, most pirates had extensive backgrounds from the various Navies or merchant ships. Pirate ships were run with the same efficiency as Navy ships. There were no partying or shenanigans going on daily. Hence the experience with boarding ships and professionalism seen while doing it. What a lot of people forget as well is that most of the times, pirates were shipping their own cargo and worrying about other ships trying to capture them. They made their money selling these stolen goods at legit trade hubs.
Probably better than navy ships where the captain may have believed in flogging (i.e. whipping) its sailors. Someone said that some pirate vessels were run more like democracies than a captain and his first mate (and loyalists) bullying people into obedience.
If only the republic would do what most states (countries) do here and have both a big national/external military forces and an internal military and law enforcement forces to handle these types of insecurities. You know like for example the US with its regular national military forces and the National Guard and reserve forces for the military and the Justice Department and its agencies and state and local law enforcement agencies. It’s why in the US and similarly strong states don’t have these issues with rampant piracy and the like. They get caught, tried, convicted, and dealt with long before they can develop like in Star Wars and in our past. It’s the main reason why these institutions were developed in the first place.
I think the USA being the world super power works because it's one big planet but this is a whole Galaxy that not only have a huge power vacuum all the syndicate was basically gone aswell leaving a giant whole
@ This principle isn’t just used by the US it’s used by many States (countries for those who are confused with what I mean) in the world to have a more stable society. In this case I was suggesting they make every of government (federal/Republic wide, regional, sector, planetary, etc) strong and have their own military and/or law enforcement agencies. This would stabilize the power vacuum you’re talking about if it’s done correctly.
The Republic isn't a real country though. It is the Holy Roman Empire but in space with more diversity, a less powerful government and no unifying religion/language. Generation Tech and other people who support the Republic mistake its longevity for stability, when in reality the Republic was not stable, it was simply stagnant. When the Republic was stable, it had a big military. It became stagnant after that disappeared.
going by history, the Caribbean during the pirate golden age can show just how difficult it was to end piracy. While France, Great Britain and Spain had powerful fleets that could stamp out the pirates, dedicating that military force to anti-pirate patrols over a large region would be costly as the arguably the most successful pirates where those that knew the islands and the sea better than the warship captains from Europe and manage to shake off their pursuers long before the cannons fired.
In recent days the Syrian war collapsed The war left warlords everywhere and a new Republic in charge of half of Syria while terrorist organizations pick up abandoned equipment. That's basically the collapse of the galactic empire in Star wars.
The New Republic assumed that the galaxy after the civil war would essentially be the same galaxy as before the clone wars, and therefore, they could just resume the golden age if they just returned to the old status quo. They were wrong. The Galaxy changed, and their desire to live in the past cost them their future.
Demilitarization of the rebel army is also a huge insult to all the rebel volunteers as well. Their probably was not a G.I. type bill which could lessen the impact of disbandment and grant outlets for hardened fighters back to civilian. Because of that all these soldiers, pilots, and starship operators need a new job and their main qualifications is mostly holding the lime against a superior foe and lived, which if you think about is perfect pirate material. They are creating their own problem while also ensuring they cannot solve it.
We also have to remember that at this point there are probably multi generation pirates. People whose parents or even grandparents got their start looting in the pre clone wars.
Funny you mention pirates with interdictors. In my Legends-based AU, I have a story planned where a crew of pirates plan to steal an old Immobilizer Cruiser that the New Republic is going to scrap, because they can't figure out how to use it properly. They actually succeed too, thanks to two former Imperials who join the heist. However, one of those Imps slowly turns the pirates against their captain, with the promise of a *lucrative* privateer contract. He delivers too. The contract is with the Empire of the Hand, and the new captain is a Chiss who calls himself Raw'nuru. Let's just say Luke and Mara should have made *sure* the clone they blew up in "Visions of the Future" actually was dead.
I wonder if we’ll see the Second Galactic Civil War in live action. Dave seemed to hint at that with “is the Galaxy any better than when the Empire was in control?”
Apparently we've seen the nikto pirate before... He seems to be Vane, the one Greef Karga disarmed with a blaster shot on Nevarro. We don't know yet if this series is taking place before, or after the events of The Mandalorian.
Of course, by the time the new republic was made, the empire had already purged the remaining CIS military strength After shutdown But somehow these droids never seem to disappear so they could be useful as a security force specifically maybe B2’s just maybe but that is just up in the air because it starts becoming harder to find them overtime because of what the empire did after shut down with them and starting to become something rare to find
The books greatly described why the New Republic demilitarized. Mon Monthma thought that the cause of the Empire was the militarism. So she cut of the New Republic's military by 90% so that the New Republic wouldn't militarize and transform into another empire. Leia on the other end saw the causes for the empire in the chaos and lawlesness of the old Republic which led for calls after order and strong military which the empire granted. In the end history repeated itself and the republic's security failings led to people supporting a fascist regime like the First Order. Mon Monthma was a political idealist who hated the empire and everything it stood for but she never posed herself a question why so many people supported the empire. She was basically locked in her social bubble and never saw how the republic was rotting.
Theory: silvo is the kid grown up. That cold open is in the future from what we see the kids doing. Now i know the pirate who lost an eye in the cold open is having it fixed in episode 2, but i think it was already a robotic eye and thats just a different point in it being fixed or installed. He just didnt seem phased when it was shot out so i think it could have already been a fake-eye (like in PotC). Probably wrong, but could be cool
The Imperial loyalist narrative of course is that the Empire provided order and piracy skyrocketed when chaos was allowed - leaving out of course that piracy is driven by economic desperation, which the Empire created through its mass exploitation of resources to fuel its war machine (see: the Deathstar recession). But yes, the New Republic needed a strong democracy that could defend against tyranny, and instead chose a weak one out of fear of being tyrannical.
my question is why was that Freighter running what seems to be an empty ship of nothing. Did it already drop off its cargo and it was heading home to collect their fee. Or was it already robbed by other pirates
Any pirates surviving into the New Republic era arrrrrrre going to be a special kind of problem. From the Privateers sanctioned by the Rebellion, to Marauders backed by the Imperial Remmnant, and the Freebooters that swore no allegiances save to their crews and plunder, the wilds of unregulated space were such a problem that the Emperor targeted these fleets and raiding individuals with no less than Grand Admiral Thrawn, who worked his way up the Imperial heiararchy specializing in purging pirate enclaves and strongholds. These are the survivors of that. 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ They will not be chumps.
Love your videos man it's just the facts none of the bull crap other star wars TH-camrs push about Disney I really don't care about that stuff I only care that I'm finally getting an abundance of new star wars material after decades of only new star trek material I'm so excited
All that talk about writing off employees as a loss instead of paying ransoms makes me want to see a competent attempt at Black Lagoon, but it's Star Wars.
We could probably draw a few parallels between the piracy in the early years of the New Republic and the golden age of piracy. If the Rebels had, indeed, created privateers to attack the Empire, and then released them at the end of the Galactic Civil War, those privateers might have turned to pirating civilian freighters of any faction once their funds ran out. In Star Wars, the solution to the New Republic's own golden age of piracy might be very similar to the one adopted by the British here on Earth: dedicate a powerful enough fleet of warships to hunt down and engage pirate groups, while offering sizable rewards for information, and even blanket amnesty to the pirates surrendering their now-stolen military-grade weapons and returning to a civilian way of life. This whole story, with a few Star Wars twists and flavour, could make for an interesting series. Finally, to keep piracy down will require much better investments from the core towards the security of their source of raw resources and manufactured goods - I mean of the outer rim. A model not unlike that of the US hegemony might work for a while, creating its own problems, and making for interesting stories again. If that all happens after the defeat of the First Order, then this might involve the New New Republic. 😅 Or we take a page out of France's book and call it the Third Republic. There are so many possibilities here...
@tk-6967 If I recall, and our creator can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the New Republic retained a core navy, albeit a small one, in order to be able to react to specific threats. As such, I would think the New Republic could dedicate a small fleet (or more than one if the issue is everywhere) in order to hunt down pirates in troubled spots. The idea is not to have enough ships to patrol everywhere as a deterrent, but to demonstrate the capability of the New Republic to hunt down pirates and make surrender with amnesty a lot more appealing. That was essentially the strategy used by Britain to quell piracy. In effect, Britain could not afford a navy large enough to be so ever present as to prevent piracy everywhere. The New Republic has the same issue, and a similar solution might work well enough. Imagine a scene with the Republic fleet showing up to the pirate base with enough force to give pirates pause, providing the Republic's ultimatum and retiring for however much time was given for pirates to answer.
@Zartren The New Republic relies on light ships that couldn't deal with pirates alone whilst the British had begun using progressively heavier ships as their power grew as far as I am aware. Also, there is probably a numbers difference and a culture difference. The Brits are obviously going to find it easier to bargain with other Brits than the NR I'd with random pirates from who knows which planet.
@tk-6967 Well the New Republic did field new cruisers and most likely had some MC80s and such as well. Even the small fleet seen in Ahsoka would have been perfectly capable of dealing with pirates. It definitely would have been viable. I will concede your last point, however. While blanket amnesty was quite in vogue with the New Republic, it might still have found it difficult to negotiate with pirates who would have been operating for decades at this point. Plus, the Outer Rim probably did not have that much say in Galactic affairs, making it even harder to relate. Still, speaking of potential stories, there is a lot that could be done still around this pirate problem. 🙂
@Zartren that wasn't a small fleet by NR standards, though. That was literally the escort fleet for the Home One, the NR's flagship, and a pretty pathetic fleet it was.
I get not wanting an authoritarian military but at least an actual navy and coast guard/trade defense protection. I mean we saw in the old republic no military at all always turns into a hastily adopted military with little oversight. Better to have a military created with careful consideration and oversight
The thing I don't like about this is as well is that the New Republic has all these all ISD's just sitting around, they could totally refit and use them to attempt to stifle this problem.
Piracy in our would was a plague for centuries, only the romans were able to destroy them in the Mediterranean, but I doubt that our modern public opinion would stomach their methods ! Against piracy are needed extreme & ruthless ways, as was done from early 18th century 'til early 20th. When confronting pirates you can act with "proportionate reaction" (sic), or telling them "Miranda Rights"
Funny how that happens when you HAVE a big enough fleet... WHOLE Armada actually, of pretty good an fairly strong warships... An instead of just using them as an intergalactic Police Force, a REAL ONE, not the equivalent of a Lone Wild West Intergalactic Sheriff Outsourcing... An dispered them across the huge Galaxy... With quite a bit of truly elite or even scary forces on a rotating forever patrol LOOKING for trouble an people to rescue pretty sure alot of Opening scenes like in 'Skeleton Crew' would be more like Rebel Mon Cals chasing the Pirates like the Empire used to do to them and/or outright Space battles between Pirate an Republic Forces which DID happen few times in the franchise... Instead of letting an Imp remnant DESTROY the ones they didn't destroy themselves since EVERYONE KNOWS their Galaxy is plenty things, safe is hardly one of them .. they HAD it, so why not use it? Instead of putting themselves in a "damn we're idiots, we HAD it, but got rid of it all, NOW we need BUT sorely lack 'it'.." kinda situation
Because that wouldn't work in a Galaxy as large as Star Wars. They probably couldn't even find everyone to vote on Coruscant let alone do whole Galactic regime changes.
I do wonder what a fully crewed freighter was doing in space without cargo. It might've just served as a reason for the pirate crew to mutiny against their captain as far as the showrunners are concerned, and a bit of a plot hole. It's probably not significant to the overall story anyway.
I've heard a few theories: 1. It was a distraction, the New Republic found out that pirates knew lots of credits were being moved along this trade route so they sent an empty ship with lots of security and an advanced mag lock cargo space so that the real ship with the money could slip past without being bothered. 2. The first mate (Bothan?) Passed bad info onto the captain so that the raid turns up nothing allowing him to stage a mutiny which would be supported.
The show made me think that the ship was a bait ship so they could say oh no the pirates stole all the money while they imbecile it hiding the fund's from like the new republic. Thier being the 1 coin left to antagonize the pirates as thanks for helping us out. 😅
It's partly the New Republics fault and partly what happens when there is a power vacuum. And most of the military under Palpatine didn't want to be part of it any more. We see that in the Star Wars Resistance series. Moreover, Pirates would usually live and operate outside of territorial space. Much like the Jedi not dealing with Slavery outside of Republic space as they had no authority. The same was most likely true in the opening scenes of Skelton Crew. They attacked outside of or just inside New Republic Territory. And then left New Republic Territory. Lastly, Pirates may have existed because of it being a transitional government. We saw this after WW2, after the fall of the Soviet Union, and the brief return to democracy after the dictatorship in the USA for four years. Sadly, the USA is entering a dictatorship for at least another 4 years. The reasons why were many as noted above--but mainly the fact there was a transitional government in the New Republic and piracy is much higher during that period.
The Republic/Empire had more than a million member systems. The Outer Rim areas were larger than the Core worlds by a significant margin. They had been poor for millenia, with strong independent streaks and used to being abandoned by the galactic government. Building up a military and the logistics strucutre to effectively control the Outer Rim would be a massive, massive investment that would require a Republic military several times larger than it had been at the height of the Galactic Civil War. Massive amounts of credits would be need to be poured into the Outer Rim to build up bases, infrastructure, military forces, etc. This would be horrifically expensive and be a commitment for decades. Even if it was politically feasible and teh Core Worlds were willing to allow this sort of money to be spent, that's money that the New Republic in turn cannot invest into itself or other things. Playing pirates is also whack a mole. It's a huge galaxy, with millions of inhabited worlds spread across even moreso light years. If you're being hit hard in one place? Relocate to another sector. The Republic in turn thus has to be available to protect all of their own territory, places that are vulnerable to pirates, and places that pirates operate out of. When hte pirates can relocate at a whim, when you have single ships and small fleets that can be anywhere in the galaxy, even when you don't factor in things like corruption, weapons everywhere.. It's essentially the stateless strategy all over again, leading to massive military spending and bankruptcy, and destruction of the galactic economy for places that won't pay out for centuries, and as soon as you deal with piracy in one area it springs up somewhere else. Then there's issues that a lot of independent planets won't accept the Republic trying to aid them or pursue pirates, and pirates can relocate to these sorts of areas. What do you do then when the Republic presence will be seen as invaders?
Here me out I think this is post new republic Mabye even post episode nine I know the opening scroll said the new republic has handled control but since the planet is isolated and everyone thinks it’s a myth the opening scroll could be from the point of view of the planet and the new republic is isolating the planet to protect it after star killer base or another war. And this would explained why the bartender was surprised about the credits
It depends whether that security is intended to ensure liberty. Without law, there is no freedom. Still, I would say there is a difference between law and security; the former can't ensure the latter in the short term. Otherwise... Surrendering a little liberty for the sake of a little security will see people deserve neither and lose both.
In the short term, law can't guarantee security, though it can either ensure freedom or deprive people of it. The two are not synonymous. It takes time, as well as political will, for law-based societies to achieve the desired security.
Dude you're probably my favorite Star Wars guys, because you don't take this shit tooo serious, but serious enough that you can actually talk about it as if it were a theoretical thing. And you're not above dropping a random "your mom" in the middle of a paragraph.
After watching this video, what stopped the Third Galactic Republic from building another Starlight Beacon? With such a space station, they can helped so many lives across the Outer Rim. Sure, the pirates will not like it and neither the Imperial Remnants. But as long as they are constantly bickering against one another in power struggles, what can stopped the Republic from doing what needed to be done?
Third Galactic Republic? There's only ever been two republics, but the Old Republic had many different "ages". Clone Wars era Republic, High Republic, Old Republic, etc etc. They were all the same government.... push comes to shove, you could even argue that the New Republic is just a continuation as many senators were the same. Now, why didn't the New Republic build another Starlight Beacon? Because that was an absolutely massive project that required billions of credits, a fully functioning galaxy spanning military to man it, and a Jedi Order that that was numbered in the 10s of thousands. The new Republic has, at most, a handful of scattered Jedi who have no Order, a very small fleet that was already stretched to far chasing Imperial remnants and maintaining New Republic space, an already corrupt senate. The High Republic were unable to defend the Starlight Beacon when they were at their most powerful, how is this new fledgling Government gonna do it?
@@mathewwilkins1613 Well, I looked at France's history and found out there are First, Second, Third and even Forth French Republics. So I just decided to go along with that because it made logical sense to me. And I know that the Starlight Beacon needed a lot of manpower, resources and money to construct and maintain. But that is the point here. If neither the Republic or the Empire cannot rule the Outer Rim, it is for the best to let the peoples of the Outer Rim governed themselves and form their own independent nation-states. Also, sorry for the late reply.
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I really hate how the new republic saw what happened to the old republic not having a proper military and did the same thing mon mothma should be impeached
The New Republic from the EU wouldn’t be having these issues
@@rebellious_red7123The problem is that even in the old EU, the New Republic and eventually the Galactic Alliance actually did eventually become a military authoritarian regime under Darth Caedus and Admiral Daala, and this led directly to the resurrection of the Empire under the Fel dynasty. Even before then, the New Republic was falling apart politically before and during the early phase of the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion.
Yeah it's like where did there army go from the rebellion? In Ashoka there was one fleet and it was small, plus all the soldiers became guys in dumb blue uniforms with the old rebellion helmets
eu new republic had a lot of issues, and they had even less control over the galaxy as minor factions had popped up everywhere, that's why they got absolutely wrecked by the yuuzhan vong
@D2RCR the Vong had every right to immigrate to the galaxy. It was the anti-immigrant policies of the New Republic that caused the war.
These pirates are veterans of surviving in the Empire as well gained their foothold in the Empire fall, so they are hard as rocks. We even saw how the Underworld was gearing up in the Afthermath novels, leading to this situation. This is why you don't suddenly replace the Empire Fleets with much fewer fleets.
We saw how they came up with a great ship in Ashoka that served as a balance between carrier and assault frigates, have two or three escort a Mon Cala Cruiser (plus other vessels) and have them be patrol fleets.
Not to mention that the First Order was supplying these pirates with plenty hardware.
@jeffreycarman2185 Thanks for that reminder that Warlord in Moff Gideon meeting was basically a pirate King on the shadows.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 also in Star Wars Resistance, the local pirates that constantly harass the Colossus station are in fact hired by and armed by The First Order.
@jeffreycarman2185 big time.
These pirate factions have survived multiple civil wars
Note that there wasn't a "single credit" in the hold in a casual spot as if left there after the last time the ship carried credits...that was a single credit placed in a very conspicuous spot of the floor inside the reinforced, sealed hold in mockery of anyone who breached that hold...not only in disregard of the lives of the crew who defended the ship and that hold, but a giant glowing middle finger (or the Star Wars equivalent) to any pirates as if to say "You just fought and died for NOTHING."
Also I feel Disney lifted that scene from Potc: Stranger Tides where Sparrow is down on his luck like that space captain and steals a bank vault, risks his crew only to find the vault door was left open and only a single coin remained.
@@Cyberdeamondead men tell no tales actually but yeah I got that too
Someone hit the shipment first maybe?
Mean not unheared of pirates that use stealth to steal, specialy since a crew of 5-6 speclists would have such a bigger share compared to a full crew that need to take it by force.
Perhaps the same people that let the cargo's intel "slip" to the pirates, made the heist, just to give the guilt to them .
I just really want to see Hondo Ohnaka in live action. I know he is definitively alive at this point since he later helps the Resistance. Also, everyone seems to have forgotten Hondo and how legendary he was, double-dealing with everyone during the Clone Wars with relative success. He was crucial ally during the Galactic Civil War as well. As far as pirates go, he was pretty honorable.
I completely agree, that would be awesome. But they would probably butcher it like with cad bane.
Ah, Hondo. The Star Wars equivalent of Captain Jack Sparrow!
@@Anonymous-xt1hf Cad Bane in live action was better than the non.
Hondos ship was docked at the place the kids went too in the bottom left of the screen when they first got there, hoping it’s foreshadowing his appearance but could easily just a be a lil Easter egg for the iykyk crowd
I don't think the "resistance" exists
space Pirates are always fun to have in Sci fi.
If only there were some kind of organisation with its own warships to keep the space-lanes safe for traders. A kind of Trade Federation, if you will...
The confederacy did nothing wrong
Probably the successful pirates now have formed territories and take tolls (or protection money) from trade companies in return for their ships not being intercepted.
TH-cam has decided that my comment was unacceptable despite having nothing to do with a failed seperatist movement from 1800s America.
@@Kitkat-986 Not sure how that would have been relevant to piracy, the destruction of At Achrann, or Star Wars.
@@sandal_thong Perhaps they were talking about the C-word of Independent Systems.
Darth Mickey having the copyright to Treasure Island may of been a factor
Technically, Treasure Island is public domain. The 1950 movie and Treasure Planet are Disney.
Legally speaking, you can make as many stories and movies related to Treasure Island as much as you want as long as you don’t directly relate it to the Disney versions.
The problem with the New Republic is that many of its leaders experienced two wars in one lifetime. As a result, they had their fill of war, which may have contributed to the New Republic reducing the size of its fleet. Also, in order to make a new government as quickly as possible, they assimilated much of the Empire's old assets into their infrastructure. However, doing this caused several loyal Imperials to infiltrate the New Republic like Morgan Elsbeth's operation on Corellia. Essentially, it's for the best that the New Republic was destroyed by the First Order. Now, the galaxy's citizens will hopefully learn from their mistakes and rebuild a new government properly.
This is why I love your commentary! It's so well thought out.
I liked when they covered how dumb the NR was in Mando season 2 or 3 where they were dismantling perfectly good Imperial military assets and destroying knowledge just because.
Agreed. RIP Dr. Pershing, could have gone far with his skills and passion
@cameronhermann9400 Yeah they screwed him so bad. He just wanted to do science. Put him in a supportive atmosphere and he'd do good work
12:52 - “Your Mom” 🤣🤣🤣
12:56 took me out 😂.
wait i DID hear it right ??? "Empire expanded to much of known galaxy and also YOUR MOM" bruh moment
Def had to back it up.
Love u big bro ❤. Thanks for all you do.
IMO I think that the only way to fight piracy in the Star Wars universe is local governments not single planets I’m talking hapes size enough power to defend borders and internally
Just saying, Wouldn't have happened to a Mandalorian Freighter.
I actually came up with a bit of a solution in my world building mental exercises. I chose a manufacturer like Hoersch-Kessel to design a deep space patrol shuttle with essentially the firepower of an X-Wing mixed with a small living cabin. 2 R6 astromech droids would help keep these shuttles going while assisting with the sensor scans and powering the automation that HKD specializes in. The pilot would be there supervising the day to day operations while providing piloting in emergency situations. Each pair of these shuttles would basically keep a pilot on duty in 12 hour rotations with mandatory breakfast and supper face-to-face meetings with their wingman. Mental health is important and all of that. I came up with a solution all the way up the chain in terms of progressively larger ships, and even a basic solution for the defense of individual planets. But basically the planets would receive a hangar and number of fighters to reflect the size of their population and an officer for each X number of fighters. They would command and operate these squadrons while the local population would provide the appropriate militia pilots to train. Etc and so forth.
"i smell profit"- Hondo
I really hope appears, or at least gets mentioned in Skeleton Crew.
@samuelstephen8147 it would be good if we eventually see him in live action unfortunately I don't think it will be in Skeleton crew mentioned maybe though
That last bit caught me off guard lmao
Well said as usual
12:56 the burn
Down with the New Republic. They’re weak and cannot protect hyperspace lanes. We need change now. My uncle was lost 2 weeks ago. We haven’t heard news of his whereabouts. This government needs to be replaced.
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What kind of pirates are these that don't ransom VIPs back to the companies?
Organized pirate organizations almost always are built by ex-military and professionals. During the age of sail, most pirates had extensive backgrounds from the various Navies or merchant ships. Pirate ships were run with the same efficiency as Navy ships. There were no partying or shenanigans going on daily. Hence the experience with boarding ships and professionalism seen while doing it.
What a lot of people forget as well is that most of the times, pirates were shipping their own cargo and worrying about other ships trying to capture them. They made their money selling these stolen goods at legit trade hubs.
Probably better than navy ships where the captain may have believed in flogging (i.e. whipping) its sailors. Someone said that some pirate vessels were run more like democracies than a captain and his first mate (and loyalists) bullying people into obedience.
If only the republic would do what most states (countries) do here and have both a big national/external military forces and an internal military and law enforcement forces to handle these types of insecurities. You know like for example the US with its regular national military forces and the National Guard and reserve forces for the military and the Justice Department and its agencies and state and local law enforcement agencies. It’s why in the US and similarly strong states don’t have these issues with rampant piracy and the like. They get caught, tried, convicted, and dealt with long before they can develop like in Star Wars and in our past. It’s the main reason why these institutions were developed in the first place.
I think the USA being the world super power works because it's one big planet but this is a whole Galaxy that not only have a huge power vacuum all the syndicate was basically gone aswell leaving a giant whole
@ This principle isn’t just used by the US it’s used by many States (countries for those who are confused with what I mean) in the world to have a more stable society. In this case I was suggesting they make every of government (federal/Republic wide, regional, sector, planetary, etc) strong and have their own military and/or law enforcement agencies. This would stabilize the power vacuum you’re talking about if it’s done correctly.
The Republic isn't a real country though. It is the Holy Roman Empire but in space with more diversity, a less powerful government and no unifying religion/language. Generation Tech and other people who support the Republic mistake its longevity for stability, when in reality the Republic was not stable, it was simply stagnant. When the Republic was stable, it had a big military. It became stagnant after that disappeared.
After watching The Mandalorian and Ahsoka, I have absolutely no trouble understanding why remote hyperspace routes are increasingly plagued by piracy.
If they want protection they have to pay for it; whether to a warlord, pirate band or New Republic.
going by history, the Caribbean during the pirate golden age can show just how difficult it was to end piracy. While France, Great Britain and Spain had powerful fleets that could stamp out the pirates, dedicating that military force to anti-pirate patrols over a large region would be costly as the arguably the most successful pirates where those that knew the islands and the sea better than the warship captains from Europe and manage to shake off their pursuers long before the cannons fired.
In recent days the Syrian war collapsed
The war left warlords everywhere and a new Republic in charge of half of Syria while terrorist organizations pick up abandoned equipment.
That's basically the collapse of the galactic empire in Star wars.
The New Republic assumed that the galaxy after the civil war would essentially be the same galaxy as before the clone wars, and therefore, they could just resume the golden age if they just returned to the old status quo. They were wrong. The Galaxy changed, and their desire to live in the past cost them their future.
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Demilitarization of the rebel army is also a huge insult to all the rebel volunteers as well. Their probably was not a G.I. type bill which could lessen the impact of disbandment and grant outlets for hardened fighters back to civilian. Because of that all these soldiers, pilots, and starship operators need a new job and their main qualifications is mostly holding the lime against a superior foe and lived, which if you think about is perfect pirate material. They are creating their own problem while also ensuring they cannot solve it.
Hey Alan could you do a video on what if the empire droids instead of organic imperial army troopers, navy troopers and stormtroopers
And also your mom.
Thanks man, needed a chuckle.
We also have to remember that at this point there are probably multi generation pirates. People whose parents or even grandparents got their start looting in the pre clone wars.
Funny you mention pirates with interdictors. In my Legends-based AU, I have a story planned where a crew of pirates plan to steal an old Immobilizer Cruiser that the New Republic is going to scrap, because they can't figure out how to use it properly. They actually succeed too, thanks to two former Imperials who join the heist. However, one of those Imps slowly turns the pirates against their captain, with the promise of a *lucrative* privateer contract. He delivers too. The contract is with the Empire of the Hand, and the new captain is a Chiss who calls himself Raw'nuru. Let's just say Luke and Mara should have made *sure* the clone they blew up in "Visions of the Future" actually was dead.
I wonder if we’ll see the Second Galactic Civil War in live action. Dave seemed to hint at that with “is the Galaxy any better than when the Empire was in control?”
Apparently we've seen the nikto pirate before...
He seems to be Vane, the one Greef Karga disarmed with a blaster shot on Nevarro. We don't know yet if this series is taking place before, or after the events of The Mandalorian.
those pirates are proberply working with the shadow council and raiding new republic ships to get credits for the council
Best ending to a video. EVER.
All Hail the Zann Consortium!!! 🤠👍
14:10 wouldn’t have happened if it hadn’t been for New Republic, Captain Carson Teva
I’m starting to think Werner Herzog was right about the Empire
Of course, by the time the new republic was made, the empire had already purged the remaining CIS military strength After shutdown But somehow these droids never seem to disappear so they could be useful as a security force specifically maybe B2’s just maybe but that is just up in the air because it starts becoming harder to find them overtime because of what the empire did after shut down with them and starting to become something rare to find
I wasn't reminded of where my allegiance should be so I've decided to join the Empire peace and security for our new New Galactic Empire
The books greatly described why the New Republic demilitarized.
Mon Monthma thought that the cause of the Empire was the militarism. So she cut of the New Republic's military by 90% so that the New Republic wouldn't militarize and transform into another empire. Leia on the other end saw the causes for the empire in the chaos and lawlesness of the old Republic which led for calls after order and strong military which the empire granted. In the end history repeated itself and the republic's security failings led to people supporting a fascist regime like the First Order.
Mon Monthma was a political idealist who hated the empire and everything it stood for but she never posed herself a question why so many people supported the empire. She was basically locked in her social bubble and never saw how the republic was rotting.
Everyone in the galaxy should hire and train PMC's or sheriffs to deal with crime without relying on some inept government
Theory: silvo is the kid grown up. That cold open is in the future from what we see the kids doing. Now i know the pirate who lost an eye in the cold open is having it fixed in episode 2, but i think it was already a robotic eye and thats just a different point in it being fixed or installed. He just didnt seem phased when it was shot out so i think it could have already been a fake-eye (like in PotC). Probably wrong, but could be cool
The Imperial loyalist narrative of course is that the Empire provided order and piracy skyrocketed when chaos was allowed - leaving out of course that piracy is driven by economic desperation, which the Empire created through its mass exploitation of resources to fuel its war machine (see: the Deathstar recession).
But yes, the New Republic needed a strong democracy that could defend against tyranny, and instead chose a weak one out of fear of being tyrannical.
Kinda like living with the fact Steve Urkel is an alien pirate
So Darth Jar Jar vs Darth Urkel?
There’s a third choice: despotic dolphin rule
Who’d guess when a fledgling rebel government takes over, there’d be other bad actors struggling to fill the same power vacuum
my question is why was that Freighter running what seems to be an empty ship of nothing. Did it already drop off its cargo and it was heading home to collect their fee. Or was it already robbed by other pirates
I would like to see some more Star Wars privateers.
Any pirates surviving into the New Republic era arrrrrrre going to be a special kind of problem. From the Privateers sanctioned by the Rebellion, to Marauders backed by the Imperial Remmnant, and the Freebooters that swore no allegiances save to their crews and plunder, the wilds of unregulated space were such a problem that the Emperor targeted these fleets and raiding individuals with no less than Grand Admiral Thrawn, who worked his way up the Imperial heiararchy specializing in purging pirate enclaves and strongholds.
These are the survivors of that. 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
They will not be chumps.
Have you ever read SPACE VIKING by H. Beam Piper ?
Love your videos man it's just the facts none of the bull crap other star wars TH-camrs push about Disney I really don't care about that stuff I only care that I'm finally getting an abundance of new star wars material after decades of only new star trek material I'm so excited
I don’t think they’ll do this but wouldn’t convoys make a difference against pirates?
its a cost issue, most independent freighters wouldn't be able to afford it
Can you do a vid on what star ship humans right now and would they be any good
Love your vid
Hungary as Ryloth? Ok, I can live with that but for some time now it seems more like Tatooine with our very own Jabba running the show
All that talk about writing off employees as a loss instead of paying ransoms makes me want to see a competent attempt at Black Lagoon, but it's Star Wars.
It would’ve been so cool if one of the skeletons on the kids’ ship looked like Hando Onaaka’s
Checks and balances!
We could probably draw a few parallels between the piracy in the early years of the New Republic and the golden age of piracy. If the Rebels had, indeed, created privateers to attack the Empire, and then released them at the end of the Galactic Civil War, those privateers might have turned to pirating civilian freighters of any faction once their funds ran out.
In Star Wars, the solution to the New Republic's own golden age of piracy might be very similar to the one adopted by the British here on Earth: dedicate a powerful enough fleet of warships to hunt down and engage pirate groups, while offering sizable rewards for information, and even blanket amnesty to the pirates surrendering their now-stolen military-grade weapons and returning to a civilian way of life. This whole story, with a few Star Wars twists and flavour, could make for an interesting series.
Finally, to keep piracy down will require much better investments from the core towards the security of their source of raw resources and manufactured goods - I mean of the outer rim. A model not unlike that of the US hegemony might work for a while, creating its own problems, and making for interesting stories again. If that all happens after the defeat of the First Order, then this might involve the New New Republic. 😅 Or we take a page out of France's book and call it the Third Republic.
There are so many possibilities here...
But the Republic is not unified like Britain; it is even less unified than the Holy Roman Empire was. The only security fleets are sector fleets.
@tk-6967 If I recall, and our creator can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the New Republic retained a core navy, albeit a small one, in order to be able to react to specific threats. As such, I would think the New Republic could dedicate a small fleet (or more than one if the issue is everywhere) in order to hunt down pirates in troubled spots.
The idea is not to have enough ships to patrol everywhere as a deterrent, but to demonstrate the capability of the New Republic to hunt down pirates and make surrender with amnesty a lot more appealing.
That was essentially the strategy used by Britain to quell piracy. In effect, Britain could not afford a navy large enough to be so ever present as to prevent piracy everywhere. The New Republic has the same issue, and a similar solution might work well enough.
Imagine a scene with the Republic fleet showing up to the pirate base with enough force to give pirates pause, providing the Republic's ultimatum and retiring for however much time was given for pirates to answer.
@Zartren The New Republic relies on light ships that couldn't deal with pirates alone whilst the British had begun using progressively heavier ships as their power grew as far as I am aware. Also, there is probably a numbers difference and a culture difference. The Brits are obviously going to find it easier to bargain with other Brits than the NR I'd with random pirates from who knows which planet.
@tk-6967 Well the New Republic did field new cruisers and most likely had some MC80s and such as well. Even the small fleet seen in Ahsoka would have been perfectly capable of dealing with pirates. It definitely would have been viable.
I will concede your last point, however. While blanket amnesty was quite in vogue with the New Republic, it might still have found it difficult to negotiate with pirates who would have been operating for decades at this point. Plus, the Outer Rim probably did not have that much say in Galactic affairs, making it even harder to relate.
Still, speaking of potential stories, there is a lot that could be done still around this pirate problem. 🙂
@Zartren that wasn't a small fleet by NR standards, though. That was literally the escort fleet for the Home One, the NR's flagship, and a pretty pathetic fleet it was.
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I get not wanting an authoritarian military but at least an actual navy and coast guard/trade defense protection. I mean we saw in the old republic no military at all always turns into a hastily adopted military with little oversight. Better to have a military created with careful consideration and oversight
The thing I don't like about this is as well is that the New Republic has all these all ISD's just sitting around, they could totally refit and use them to attempt to stifle this problem.
Piracy in our would was a plague for centuries, only the romans were able to destroy them in the Mediterranean, but I doubt that our modern public opinion would stomach their methods !
Against piracy are needed extreme & ruthless ways, as was done from early 18th century 'til early 20th.
When confronting pirates you can act with "proportionate reaction" (sic), or telling them "Miranda Rights"
Chances are the freight company has insurance. It could even be more profitable to write off the loss.
Those civilians needs to be under a convoy system. Each ship protecting each other.
Really a your mom joke smh lol perfect
Crime creates poverty
Just as poverty creates crime.
A vicious cycle...
Hondo my favorite pirate
New Republic doesn't have drip too. It's pathetic. Their officers look like they're ripped straight out of Futurama.
Funny how that happens when you HAVE a big enough fleet... WHOLE Armada actually, of pretty good an fairly strong warships... An instead of just using them as an intergalactic Police Force, a REAL ONE, not the equivalent of a Lone Wild West Intergalactic Sheriff Outsourcing... An dispered them across the huge Galaxy... With quite a bit of truly elite or even scary forces on a rotating forever patrol LOOKING for trouble an people to rescue pretty sure alot of Opening scenes like in 'Skeleton Crew' would be more like Rebel Mon Cals chasing the Pirates like the Empire used to do to them and/or outright Space battles between Pirate an Republic Forces which DID happen few times in the franchise...
Instead of letting an Imp remnant DESTROY the ones they didn't destroy themselves since EVERYONE KNOWS their Galaxy is plenty things, safe is hardly one of them .. they HAD it, so why not use it? Instead of putting themselves in a "damn we're idiots, we HAD it, but got rid of it all, NOW we need BUT sorely lack 'it'.." kinda situation
Why not a representive republic
Because that wouldn't work in a Galaxy as large as Star Wars. They probably couldn't even find everyone to vote on Coruscant let alone do whole Galactic regime changes.
I enjoy SM-33 in skeleton crew 👏
Well Smee is fun so far
I do wonder what a fully crewed freighter was doing in space without cargo. It might've just served as a reason for the pirate crew to mutiny against their captain as far as the showrunners are concerned, and a bit of a plot hole. It's probably not significant to the overall story anyway.
I've heard a few theories:
1. It was a distraction, the New Republic found out that pirates knew lots of credits were being moved along this trade route so they sent an empty ship with lots of security and an advanced mag lock cargo space so that the real ship with the money could slip past without being bothered.
2. The first mate (Bothan?) Passed bad info onto the captain so that the raid turns up nothing allowing him to stage a mutiny which would be supported.
How could the alderanians claim to be a diplomatic Mission after they shot at the police
The show made me think that the ship was a bait ship so they could say oh no the pirates stole all the money while they imbecile it hiding the fund's from like the new republic. Thier being the 1 coin left to antagonize the pirates as thanks for helping us out. 😅
The Republic needs a actual chief executive who act outside the Senate like a president type figure instead of a ceremonial chancellor.
Last time they had one of those he declared himself emperor.
0:19 haha is funny cus it true to America today ho ho ohhh 😅
Where’s Hondo Ohnaka?
The New Republic sees a problem
Bounty Hunters sees it as income
I would recommend a course on Udemy: Ship Security Officer for Beginners - Exam Preparation
Power apores a vacuum
It's partly the New Republics fault and partly what happens when there is a power vacuum.
And most of the military under Palpatine didn't want to be part of it any more.
We see that in the Star Wars Resistance series.
Moreover, Pirates would usually live and operate outside of territorial space. Much like the Jedi not dealing with Slavery outside of Republic space as they had no authority.
The same was most likely true in the opening scenes of Skelton Crew. They attacked outside of or just inside New Republic Territory. And then left New Republic Territory.
Lastly, Pirates may have existed because of it being a transitional government. We saw this after WW2, after the fall of the Soviet Union, and the brief return to democracy after the dictatorship in the USA for four years. Sadly, the USA is entering a dictatorship for at least another 4 years.
The reasons why were many as noted above--but mainly the fact there was a transitional government in the New Republic and piracy is much higher during that period.
The Republic/Empire had more than a million member systems. The Outer Rim areas were larger than the Core worlds by a significant margin. They had been poor for millenia, with strong independent streaks and used to being abandoned by the galactic government.
Building up a military and the logistics strucutre to effectively control the Outer Rim would be a massive, massive investment that would require a Republic military several times larger than it had been at the height of the Galactic Civil War. Massive amounts of credits would be need to be poured into the Outer Rim to build up bases, infrastructure, military forces, etc. This would be horrifically expensive and be a commitment for decades. Even if it was politically feasible and teh Core Worlds were willing to allow this sort of money to be spent, that's money that the New Republic in turn cannot invest into itself or other things.
Playing pirates is also whack a mole. It's a huge galaxy, with millions of inhabited worlds spread across even moreso light years. If you're being hit hard in one place? Relocate to another sector. The Republic in turn thus has to be available to protect all of their own territory, places that are vulnerable to pirates, and places that pirates operate out of. When hte pirates can relocate at a whim, when you have single ships and small fleets that can be anywhere in the galaxy, even when you don't factor in things like corruption, weapons everywhere..
It's essentially the stateless strategy all over again, leading to massive military spending and bankruptcy, and destruction of the galactic economy for places that won't pay out for centuries, and as soon as you deal with piracy in one area it springs up somewhere else.
Then there's issues that a lot of independent planets won't accept the Republic trying to aid them or pursue pirates, and pirates can relocate to these sorts of areas. What do you do then when the Republic presence will be seen as invaders?
Was that a "Your Mom," snuck in there?
No Jedi = pirates and warlords.
Here me out I think this is post new republic Mabye even post episode nine I know the opening scroll said the new republic has handled control but since the planet is isolated and everyone thinks it’s a myth the opening scroll could be from the point of view of the planet and the new republic is isolating the planet to protect it after star killer base or another war. And this would explained why the bartender was surprised about the credits
Pirate can not be solve only limited. space is just to vast to control.
Mom joke. Priceless
Yea Benjamin Franklin was wrong. Without security you can never have liberty you can only have havoc and anarchy.
The tyranny of the law less, after a gang can oppress you just as much as a king, and often have far less concern about long term planning.
It depends whether that security is intended to ensure liberty. Without law, there is no freedom. Still, I would say there is a difference between law and security; the former can't ensure the latter in the short term.
Otherwise...
Surrendering a little liberty for the sake of a little security will see people deserve neither and lose both.
In the short term, law can't guarantee security, though it can either ensure freedom or deprive people of it.
The two are not synonymous. It takes time, as well as political will, for law-based societies to achieve the desired security.
Well from what i have seen half of the outer rim is patrolled by one portly asian dude in an x wing.
Only so much he can be expected to do
Dude you're probably my favorite Star Wars guys, because you don't take this shit tooo serious, but serious enough that you can actually talk about it as if it were a theoretical thing. And you're not above dropping a random "your mom" in the middle of a paragraph.
I miss the legends NR
A dysfunctional government that usually needed Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando to solve anything?
@@Hartzilla2007 basically it's the other worse option that wouldn't make much of a difference.
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Easy the new republic in the Disney universe is a failure at least in the old eu they had guts
Looks like Brazil, since we turned into a republic we have been dealing with narcos even since XD Long live the empire, literally
This actually do make sense look at Germany after worl war 1 America atleast learbed that lassson with japan during ww2
After watching this video, what stopped the Third Galactic Republic from building another Starlight Beacon? With such a space station, they can helped so many lives across the Outer Rim. Sure, the pirates will not like it and neither the Imperial Remnants. But as long as they are constantly bickering against one another in power struggles, what can stopped the Republic from doing what needed to be done?
Third Galactic Republic? There's only ever been two republics, but the Old Republic had many different "ages". Clone Wars era Republic, High Republic, Old Republic, etc etc. They were all the same government.... push comes to shove, you could even argue that the New Republic is just a continuation as many senators were the same.
Now, why didn't the New Republic build another Starlight Beacon? Because that was an absolutely massive project that required billions of credits, a fully functioning galaxy spanning military to man it, and a Jedi Order that that was numbered in the 10s of thousands. The new Republic has, at most, a handful of scattered Jedi who have no Order, a very small fleet that was already stretched to far chasing Imperial remnants and maintaining New Republic space, an already corrupt senate. The High Republic were unable to defend the Starlight Beacon when they were at their most powerful, how is this new fledgling Government gonna do it?
@@mathewwilkins1613 Well, I looked at France's history and found out there are First, Second, Third and even Forth French Republics. So I just decided to go along with that because it made logical sense to me.
And I know that the Starlight Beacon needed a lot of manpower, resources and money to construct and maintain. But that is the point here. If neither the Republic or the Empire cannot rule the Outer Rim, it is for the best to let the peoples of the Outer Rim governed themselves and form their own independent nation-states.
Also, sorry for the late reply.
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The new republic in the EU definitely wouldn’t be having this problem.
Because the New Republic remained militarised and didn't follow the traditions of the Old Republic.
Mon Mothma wasn't any better than Palpatine. Leia should have been in charge !