How New Republic citizens viewed the Imperial Remnant
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- A lot of people dislike just how over the top and incompetent the new republic seems in the recent Mandalorian and Ahsoka tv shows. People complain how leaders like Mon Mothma are completely blind to the true dangers lying in wait for the new republic in the outer rim. The resurgent imperial remnant and the future first order are given almost free reign to do whatever they want. Today I want to take a look at a different perspective and view how the average citizen of the new republic, how the average politician saw the galaxy. If we understand their point of view I don't think its surprising at all, that the New Republic more or less ignored the imperial remnant.
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Palpating *Palpatine would not underestimate the value of appearing weak, it’s what caused Anakin to step in and save him from Mace Windu.
Who is Palpating?
@@DMSProduktions The SENATE!
@@gigamoumantai2696 LOL!
Palpating!!!!
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 Very funny!
Scattered with no central command? So exactly what imperial intelligence thought about the rebels as expressed in andor? You’d think the former rebels that used the exact same tactic of appearing disjointed until it’s too late would be wise to the tactic being used against them
This is definitely an underrated comment
I came here to say that.
THANK YOU!
The former Rebels (Hera, Leia and Mon Mothma) are aware. Senator Ziono, who admitted to not being a part of the Rebel Alliance, is not. Based on the glance the two other senators made to each other when Hera called out Ziono about not taking part in the war, I think the same can be said about those two. The only reason Mon Mothma isn't siding with Hera is because she's trying to appear impartial to prevent the government of just making her another Palpatine.
Why do you think she allowed the obvious fabrication of Leia approving the mission knowing full well that she hadn't.
To a lot of people, the idea of the Empire transforming from the dictatorship that's everywhere to a scattered insurgency would just be so alien as to be inconceivable.
"Scattered and broken" "no centralized command" Except for the "broken" part, that sounds like the Rebel Cells that ended the Empire and brought about the New Republic. Hera came up through one of those cells.
"Ironic"
Imagine if these guys met the Imperial Remnant from the Jedi Knight games; the one that had TONS of Dark Jedi. You'd have hallway scenes like the one with Baylan all the damn time.
The Imperial Remnant in Legends still had fully active fleets, major shipyards, multiple SSD scale warships and held significant territory. They were a legitimate threat, even when most of the Empire had fractured into Warlord States. Hell, in Legends, the Empire long outlives the Republic under a new Imperial Dynasty, descended from the Skywalker-Solo and Antilles families.
I love that everyone agrees Xiano looks like Allen
Don't forget that in Legends Palpatine was using the force to boost and coordinate the performance of the entire Imperial fleet like the Emperor of the Imperium of Man in Warhammer. With him dead or merely not helping they fell apart.
That’s kinda cool. His empire was kept together by sheer willpower.😂
Called Battle Meditation however it isn't the complete end all be all unless your greatly outskilled and outman.
@@Nubin2000 Maybe when a Jedi does it but Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy established that Sidious micromanaged and the Imperials were unknowingly dependent on it like like prescription pills they didn't even know they'd taken.
The Battle Meditation boosts the performance of the local Fleet at Endor. Not in the hole Empire. Palpatines aprupt death caused a backlash to the fleet at Endor.
The empire collapsed because of the ambitions of local warlords who took advantage of the power vacuum. Although the Emperor was powerful, he was not Sauron.
@@Emperor-Revan You're probably right regarding the entire fleet vs the Endor fleet but Palpatine likely had as much control over a hundred regional officials and Moffs that he kept in constant conflict with each other. No way they'd function together without him around.
Fish is how I view the New Republic
Based fish Republic
True, fish is also how a view the golem from Spyro from dawn of the dragon before it eats him like a bigger fish...XD idk I wanted in a way to fit a Spyro joke here...XD well if it’s gonna be weird I’ll might as well a random weird Spyro joke.....Spyro butt....XD there ya go now I made it weird 😱😉😝😏😂😜
The other thing to keep in mind is that someone like senator Xiono would have been in his late teens or his 20's at the end of clone wars, he lived through the transition from a republic to a despotic totalitarian state, and if you look at history a majority of dictators end up replaced by a system no less despotic.
Something tells me, even if Hera had proof they would just cover it up, or imprison anyone whom threatens/won't drop the imperial remnant topic much like when the Jedi order during dookus youth they would cover up any sith findings and proof the Jedi found or imprison those that threatened their duluded mind of the sith being completely extinct. Perhaps I am wrong, but as Allen had said a lot of the new Republic don't want/afford another war, so there's no telling how far they would go to cover up any evidence or continue the illusion that there's no more Empire so yeah I see this similar to "Jedi orders arrogance"when the Jedi refused to believe that any remnant of sith had actually survived, instead of investigating as Galadriell had made Gandalf to make sure Sauron was destroyed as everyone in middle earth believed he was.
You have to hand it to the Imperial Remnant the fact that were able to keep active legions of Stormtroopers on standy under the New Republic's nose is quite impressive.
It's a big galaxy.
The empire will rise again!
it reminds me of what nazi germany was doing in the the 1930s when they were re-arming their military doing it straight under everyone's noses, and not gathering any suspicion.
The New Republic won't try to fight an Empire's Ghost in the Outer Rim and Unknown Regions. The Imperial Remnant seems like nothing but burning embers of a dead empire until the First Order.
more like platoons and companies, at best...
I mean the Republic didn’t know about two massive armies being built right under their nose, one of them on their own dime. And didn’t know anything till after the first battle had started. So the New Republic ignoring the imperial remnants because they hope no leader emerges, ignoring imperial loyalist that can take out their ships, steal enough parts of super star destroyers to make a intergalactic ship. I would say the New Republic is pretty on point when it comes to emulating the Republic.
didnt Plagueis pay for starting costs? because how could republic pay for something they got 0 clue it even exists?
@@villekuronen6242Sifo used Jedi funds, which the Jedi got from the republic, to pay for the clone army. Neither party of the Republic knew they were buying a slave army.
The New Republic is so desperate for "peace" that they bury their heads in the sand so they don't have to see any threats. These senators think as long as they say the Empire is gone, it will stay gone. They willingly ignore these threats because they aren't willing to fight anymore.
@@SpottedHaresPlagueis payed for the Clone Army himself (through a lot of banking dealings I think, it’s been a while since I read the book). Sifo only ordered the army, because Palpatine and Plaguies thought it would be more convincing to the Kaminoans if the order came from a Jedi of the Republic rather than some random banker. They even told Sifo that they would foot the bill.
Let me start by saying that this is far and away the best SW channel on the internet. Thank you so much for doing what you do.
Then let me urge you (and everyone) to actually read Fukuyama, or listen to any interview he's given in the last 30 years. End of History's reputation is rooted in media misrepresentation a generation old that has been perpetuated by people who want to decry an idea that he never actually put forth. All based entirely on the title and a few contemporary reviewers who did not understand what he was saying. I'd particularly recommend "The Origins of Political Order" and "Political Order & Decay", as well as the recent interview he gave a few weeks ago on the podcast "The Rest is Politics: Leading".
He never said we were at the end of history, yet that idea amounts to almost his entire mainstream reputation. And I can hardly blame you for running with such a well-established narrative, and don't hold it against you personally in the least. But, the man deserves better.
Does he have any easily articulatable points that you could give as sample summary examples? Because being told "oh just go away and read these two books" without even a hint of how they differ from existing ideas about them sounds like a lot of homework for no guarantee of a reward.
@@Capt.Thunder Do I have a one-sentence sound bite that makes my point clearly and articulately? No. But here's this, taken from an auto-generated transcript of the interview he gave on Leading, which aired July 9, 2023:
Alastair Campbell: Now, Frank, I I don't do an interview when I'm being interviewed rather than interviewing as we are now, I don't do an interview of longer than five minutes without the interview. I did one this morning with a Belgian newspaper without the interviewer saying at some point. “Now, I really must ask you about your role in the lead up to the Iraq War”
And then, and I go into autopilot. And so I feel your equivalent Rory mentioned in the introduction is your book and this phrase, The End of History, and Rory mentioned Hagel and I believe the phrase was, was originally his.
Francis Fukuyama: Yes.
AC: So what, what did you, first of all, what did you mean? Secondly, has it surprised you the extent to which you have become so attached to this one phrase? And what has that whole process kind of taught you both about yourself and about the world?
FF: Well, OK, so just to to turn the autopilot on *all laugh*, so what was the end of history?
You know, history with a capital h you would probably describe in other terms as modernization or development today. And the question is, is there a progressive evolution of societies over very long periods of time that leads to certain forms of institutions?
And my answer to that back then and today is yes that I do think that there is a coherent process of modernization. And I think people that don't believe that should go live in Guatemala or Myanmar or some other, you know, very poor chaotic country. That doesn't have, you know, the advantages and opportunities that Britain or the United States or Canada, many other countries offer.
So that's the basic meaning of history. And then the end of history is where does that process look like it's headed? And for many decades, the Marxists said it's headed towards communism and there will be a higher form of civilization that will displace, you know, what they call bourgeois, a democracy tied to capitalism. And my argument was, I don't see that higher stage.
I, I don't see a preferable form of government and I think right now the only rival, right, that seems plausible is China, which is definitely authoritarian, it's quasi capitalist, but they've certainly been very good at providing stability and growth. But is that actually going to displace, you know, the Democratic model? I have my doubts about that, but I'm open to the possibilities.
Rory Stewart: Frank, can I come in just to reinforce Alistair's question? And Alistair of course, often makes jokes at his own expense that his obituary is going to have the word Tony Blair in the title and probably Iraq in the first line.
And you achieved extraordinary fame in your late thirties, I guess you were sort of 37 38 when the first article at the end of history came out and it's still something that literally I can stand up in almost any the audience in the world mention you in this book and everybody's heard of it.
What does it mean for someone's life to be, as it were, defined in your late thirties? And you're now talking to us when you're 70. What, what, what's the psychological experience of this?
FF: Well, look, I've learned to get over the, the frustrations that a long time ago, when I post something on social media or elsewhere, I almost never read the comments because inevitably somebody's gonna say, “oh Mr end of History, you know, what about this? What about that?” And, you know, it's been going on for more than 30 years. And so I, you know, who needs it?
You know, I do think in terms of my subsequent career, it's been actually a great boon because, you know, it got me a good academic position. I could write, you know, so I've written a total of 10 books. Now. I actually think that the two volume series I did on Political Order was really my effort to rewrite the end of history with much more knowledge about the world than, than I had when I was in my thirties.
And, you know, I made some corrections. And I think that, you know, most people on Twitter have not worked their way through those 1000 pages. *laugs* But I think that, you know, in terms of the, you know, the more elite perceptions of what I stood for, that may count for more than the meme that's out there.
AC: But in terms of how you explained it and defined it and how you were defining it at the time, you've kind of not been proven wrong.
FF: I don't believe I have because I think if you take a long term view of historical progress, you do get these setbacks and, and, and recessions. I mean, you think about what happened in the 19 thirties, collapse of democracy in Germany was a much bigger development than anything that's happened in the last 10 years. And then the world managed to recover. And even, you know, in the sixties and seventies, you had military coups all over the developing world, all over Latin America and that got reversed. So I just think that you can't make these big judgments based on the experience of the last 10 years.
@@FancyHatProductions I appreciate you taking the time, thank you. It was interesting.
I do find it funny that it's Tony Blair's spin doctor and one of the cringiest Blairite members of the Tory party who are doing the interview.
That said, I've read quite a lot of different authors, including the Elite Theorists, and I think that Fukuyama's take is still rather flawed from what he describes it as here.
The reason why liberal democracies established themselves throughout the world is not because they're a better or more effective system, it's because the current world hegemon (the USA) wants it that way and has a massive amount of both soft and hard power influence, which it exercises regularly. To quote Henry Kissenger: "To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous, but to be an ally of the USA is fatal."
The incentive structure is to appease the hegemon. Those that don't wish to play along are rallying around Russia and China in a bid to build a counter-network that is resilient to USA pressure, with so far only limited success.
Western liberal democracy, as we have it, has been around for barely 100 years at this point in its current form (i.e. with universal suffrage), and in most countries around the world it has been around for noticeably less than that (nor do they have as robust institutions as we do, although you could argue that our institutions are also better at hiding their corruption). We've barely begun this liberal experiment, so it's quite laughable to suggest that this is the system that is the indisputable default, especially when he attributes it to the system's merit.
I mean, have you seen the absolute joke-like state of western democracies these days? I'm not convinced it's working very well at all.
The biggest problem with the New Republic is that they are *politicians*. Politicians who are more concerned with maintaining their own status instead of actually *listening* to their advisors. You know, the ones who got their positions by actually being proficient in their profession. You do not hire an electrician and put them into a role as a dentist! It's too damn easy for them to dismiss the writing on the wall because they are *comfortable* as politicians and the perks that come with it. Including the arrogance.
I'm sorry. But when a expert on the practice of war, who has fought her life in the defense of something better than a totalitarian regime has a terrible feeling about an outside threat, (or even an inside threat) *I* will *listen* to her, not turn her into a galactic "meter maid". Hera Sendula is *not* a war monger, she is a soldier. And soldiers are there to do terrible things on behalf of the government they represent. *If* she's wrong, the only thing lost is jet fuel.
in a well functioning feedback loop, if politician does bad job he gets fired by electorate and replaced by someone better - trouble is when the feedback loop breaks - politicians develop hardcore electorate loyal to them, fed by propaganda machine...
What?! She took her own ship and five fighter to check where a hyperdriver was taken?! Better send an entire fleet we denied to her after her to get her.
F-in idiots
They're afraid of the fact that she could be right and don't want to face to facts that another war is coming
@@013wolfwarrior Spoken like a true Liberal Arts major. Did you even watch the whole video?
Also, the word of the day is "proofreading".
@@013wolfwarriorShe disobeyed a direct order given to her by people in the government, and on top of that brought (I forget the exact amount cause Ashoka sucks) 5 x wing pilots and x wings with her. She practically stole the x wings away from their assigned duties and took with her pilots. Whilst a fleet is def overkill for getting back such a group of people, Hera syndulla has plot armor, so if you brought just one large-ish ship then the new republic woulda lost
If she is allowed to do this and get away with it, what’s to stop other high ranking officers from doing the same and just taking military assets and doing what they want? And on top of this, idk about you, but if I was also a general in the new republic and proposed an idea for a mission we could do which would inevitably be denied. If I saw that Hera syndulla here gets to do something without permission, i would become to some degree discontent and distrustful of my government.
I love how Thrawn wanted the Body of ahsoka to confirm her death, as an single person who is in a whole other universe after such a tragic event like gettin transported in another universe by space whales.
Bit still the new Republic just assumes that thrawn is dead, somewhere in the unknown regions. They never had an Body or found his big as Ship
At this point in Star wars, if you dont see them die or the corpse some, the writers will bring them.back, hell even getting stabbed BY A GODDAM LIGHSABER can be completly healed in a day...
He literally made arguments that the general failed to counter. "We don't have any resources to spare on a wild hunch" and when he asks her for evidence she doesn't give him any, even during the court-martial when she had a scan of the hyperspace ring and the destroyed map to show them.
Taking in consideration that Hera partially accomplished her mission with the personal ship and 4 starfighter it sound hollow as reason. Expecially after the troubles in Mandalore including Moff Gideon escape that clearly point to spy among the NR and the scandal in Corellia that Hera and Ashoka just discovered. The problem with the map is that in that condition you need expert and time to obtain some data otherwise is just an old piece of junk and regarding the scan, i think that Xiono and the other Senators will have found other reason to dismiss them, frankly the entire hearing give the vibe of an old italian saying: non ci stà peggior sordo di chi non vuole sentire there is no worse deaf of somebody that don't want to hear
@@lukedalton It doesn't matter if the evidence would take a while to analyse, the point would be that she can show that she has what she believes to be evidence, rather than saying: "Yep, I did this for NO REASON your honour! Court Martial me harder, please!"
And who cares if there is a spy in the senate? Who cares if it's Generation Tech's uncle? He is still making perfectly good points.
You wouldn't be telling the Imperials anything that they don't already know about the Imperials' own plan. Just show it. Show the hyperspace ring and it jumping to hyperspace. Show the trajectory of the ring. Show the map.
Literally there is no excuse for her ridiculous behaviour.
@@Capt.Thunder the fact that there is a spy in the senate is not for Hera to not say anything but for the senators to use their braincell as it's a sign among many that things are fishy enough to warrant an investigation. There is no map, the map is gone the artifact is just some fancy junk that had millenia thanks to Baylan lightsaber, sure Hera can say that's a map but at this stage is just her words as there is no way to confirm this. Regarding showing the scan of the wing, ok what you are showing that someone that you don't know had created a ring that had go somewhere as they don't have a damn mean to trace them hell even the hyperspace lane that they have used are so difficult to get that only the Purgill can access it unless you have the map and the mean to use it. But frankly Hera can bring Thraw himself to the hearing and it will have not changed anything, Xiono and all the others don't want to hear that troubles are coming and so there is nothing that Hera can say that can make them change their minds and she know that, so she take some shot as she know that the verdict has been already written well before.
Once again, Alan ends up taking about bureaucracies again. He loves talking about them and is able to make it sound interesting instead of boring! 😊
I love hearing about the slog bureaucracy of the “efficient” empire while having thousands of bureaucrats filing data
Democracy isn't about being a better or more efficient government.
It's about being a legitimate government.
If your allegiance is to justice you will have to tolerate some inefficiency; and if your allegiance is to efficiency you will have to tolerate some injustice.
Democracy ALSO means listening and doing what the people want you Dragon Butts must know that by now...XD yes I made an immature spyro dawn of the dragon reference insult XD MUHAHA 😈🔥😆😏😝
@@Golems_wrathAnd sometimes, the people are wrong.
Like with slavery, for example. Or racism. Or genocide.
That's why it's better to have them vote for a representative who is willing and able to represent their constituents’s interests while being able to put their foot down when they ask for something that is:
A: Illegal
B: practically impossible
Or C: something that might sound good in the short term but will hurt them in the long term.
@@Lobsterwithinternetthat's absolutely true. Also hopefully my spyro butt joke was funny....XD I know it's immature lol. But it's true spyro does have a nice butt in dawn of the dragon....XD no wonder the golem wants to eat him and realistically would XD yummy XD it's not fault the developers were sus XD
@@Golems_wrath.…..🦞
@@Lobsterwithinternet The issue is that in a democracy everyone who gets power (politicians) are people who greatly desire power. Most people who want power don't want it for noble reasons. Most want the power to feel superior to others. Even those who may go into it at the beginning with high ideals will have to compromise and make deals with compromised people. Power also has its own tendency to corrupt. Over time corruption tends to fester and grow until the whole system is consumed by it, and it breaks down into authoritarianism and dictatorship.
Now what you want may exist in the theory of a Constitutional Monarchy, where there are elected representatives but ultimately the Monarch must give assent to anything and is the commander in chief of the armed forces.
Okay Allan I wasn't gonna saying anything about the look alike, but now I can say I see it.
Same. I mean the resemblance is uncanny.
Legit first thing that I thought when seeing the senator
It's always sad when people who are proven wrong time & time & time again, always make excuses.
This is America…
You shouldn’t trust something just because the government or media said something but you also shouldn’t ignore something just because the government or media said something.
Why does he have to be bad or incompetent? Why can’t we just have good guys who don’t just believe far out ideas?
Because that doesn't fit the Black-and-White morality of the original trilogy where the rebels were unequivalently good while everyone who supports the Empire were all as evil as Palpatine was.
Palpatine didn't want someone else picking up the pieces and succeeding him. If he wasn't there to do it then he wanted to watch the whole galaxy burn.
The New Republic not believing that the First Order was real before TFA is nothing. Half the fanbase can't even accept them as canon after already watching the whole trilogy.
The sequels arnt canon
You don’t think the government that was restored version of the government that willingly became the Empire would be stupid? You have watch anything from Starwars right?
@@SpottedHares False equivalence. Your characterisation conflates a description that works equally well for post rebellion events in Legends with the fact that most of the story, character and narrative changes in canon are just schit.
@@joshtaylor9626 sorry dragon butt...XD they canon XD take that Spyro dawn of the dragon reference insult joke XD. Actually oops it’s accidentally a compliment since TBF Spyro in that game has a nice butt...XD why’d I make that joke because sometimes being mature is boring XD also I can guarantee y’all said weirder jokes than me XD also they canon even if you hate them.
It definitely gives more credit to the saying, Peace Through Strength.
That Uncle Xiono jab caught me off guard and I nearly spat out my drink.
Also, don't overlook people's ability to stick their heads in the sand because they are currently comfortable and don't want to disrupt that confort
Btw, whatever happened to your "my allegiance is to the Republic, for democracy" ending saying?
Because the New Republic isn't worthy of that saying.
I still hate the concept of "Operation Cinder" as lazy storytelling.
The far more interesting storyline was that in Legends.
The instantaneous power vacuum brought on by the deaths of Vader and Palpatine following the abolishment of the galactic senate, left only fleet admirals and moffs with any authority. They immediately started fighting each other over power and resources.
It's actually crazy how quickly the Empire could have descended into anarchy while the New Republic picked off their fleets and planets one at a time.
Goes to show what happens when you're dealing with Black and White storytelling.
Frankly operation cinder is pretty much on character thinking of Palpy and is a reference of RL 'Nero Decree' by Adolf Hitler
remnants scattered and no central command doesnt mean they wont get someone to unite and command them all...... ignoring those factions just gives them all the time they need to get stronger and unite
Allan didn't give his usual sendoff declaring his allegiance to the republic and to democracy. He's switched sides guys.
"From a certain point of view" is certainly a theme in SW. Though despite their differing roles, there should still be some commonality in their shared goal of keeping their New Republic safe from potential ruin.
Constant vigilance. Adapt or die.
Mothma wanted to forgive and move on in peace, however as we had seen, not all of the "Former" Imperials shared in that ideal.
Sending a scout - it would've been proactive to investigate, but may have tipped off any enemy to an impending assault. Sending a task force - would have been proactive to investigate *and* deal with any problem they encountered.
Even in Legends, the New Republic was basically 'losing the peace', and hell it did it worse than *_DISNEY CANON'S_* New Republic (basically, take the current New Republic and jack it up to 200). A revolution like the Rebellion has to be led by Machiavellian Pragmatists, not idealists with a somewhat rose-tinted view (at best) of the government they're trying to restore.
Look on the bright side @GenerationTech. If the Senator is your uncle, then you have a future in the New Republic Senate as a future junior Senator from the Milky Way Sector
I love the second video of your uncle, Adam!
The new republic fell into that most deadly of though processes ; complacency in victory before it was assured. It is literally like the empire waa the first form of a final boss with the remnant and the First Order being the second and third, each time the new republic thought they had defeated the enemy, not watching carefully and got bitten in the butt. The fundamental condition to winning a war is removing an enemy's capacity and/or willingness to fight, and the republic politicians could not get the job done. It takes an armada of civilians sick of Palpatine's shit to truly, finally win.
I get what you mean. I remember the scene where Carson brings up Moff Gideon and then gets shot down by the claim that he was an individual actor. It reminded me that we as the audience where the only ones who had seen his meeting with the other faction members, and him requesting. support. Story of reminded me about just how much of a bird's eye view the audience has had. Now I still think that a lot of the new republic officials are being a little naive. Gideon was maintaining a Star Destroyer and had a major factory operation (the one Dinjarin, Cara Dune and the ex-Imperial blue up). Not to mention his people got the coordinates to extract him from custody, and this after he faked his first death. The thing is, Gideon's is dead, a lot of the New Republic, are probably thinking, here is someone who could have brought order the Imperial Remnant but thank God he picked a fight with the Mandalorian and got himself killed. It can be easy to assume that with him gone, everything that propped him up is gone as well. Hell, a lot of popular media like to treat things like this. The whole trope of the Bid Bad, is centered around the idea that if you take out this one guy all his resources will disappear into the ether. The Mexican government, DEA for the longest time promoted the Kingpin strategy for dealing with the drug cartels, the idea that if we took out the head of these super cartels, then the organization would just be destroyed, without even considering that all its members wouldn't just retire, and as smaller but still dangerous groups could still easily reform and keep doing the exact same thing. It is easy to convince yourself that if you take out this one problem you solve all the systemic issues propping it up disappear, or that a series of related events are indications of a systemic problem but an outlier. Especially, sense the latter case is true, confirmation bias is a dangerous thing, human are great at seeing patterns that don't exist. That is probably why is so hard for them to buy into things individuals like Hera say. Because while they might happen to be right, they are also bias. Part of her reason for being so sure that Thrawn is coming back is because of how much his actions, traumatized her during the war. Even Mon Mothma calls Hera out on pretending like she does not have a personal stake in this.
Learn to use paragraphs
Moff Gideon didn't have a factory that was a research lab and he didn't have a Star Destroyer that was a light cruiser
Holy fucking shit, you made an essay! I’m genuinely shock and surprise by this honestly.
Who knew watching Star Wars would lead to an interesting insight of Star Wars Politics.
I think the audience takes their omniscient view of the story for granted too much sometimes. And it's not just Star Wars.
The Disney canon mon mothma demilitarisation plan was a terrible one
It's very commendable of you to defend your uncle like that. But I think your relationship has blinded you from seeing the truth about him.
in cannon story gone too fast i can't belive that rebelion managed to take whole galatic empire in few months in legends is took decades and no fun imperial civil war
Ikr the Galactic Civil War lasted 15 years in Legends while the Empire fell in one year in Canon.
I think it makes some sense with like operation cinder and palpatine fully pulling out all major imperial assets or blowing them up where it legends they all immediately went to do their own thing
I don’t know considering how incompetent empire is portrayed it seems like as much of a stretch to think they last 15 years.
@@SpottedHares which empire pre or post Endor?
@@josephmeli4079 But it really doesn't. It's like saying the British had ten times the forces at Dunkirk, enough to hold a big chunk of mainland Europe only they themselves blew up and killed 90% of their own forces and then withdrew in "Englands Darkest Hour" just to lull the Nazis into a false sense of security. That's just asinine.
Interstellar is one of my favorite movies. In that show great distances can me distort time. Why can’t we fathom that Thrawn comes back after the First Order falls
I really like how you are linking the history and politics of the Star Wars Galaxy to our own world.
I love your content, it's such a refreshing angle on Star Wars and analysis in general. The mostly neutral and real-world parallels with the franchise really bring it to life for me. Keep up the great work.
At this point, someone like Hera looks like an Alex Jones-ian level of conspiracy theorist to the average person in the galaxy.
It's good to remember that freedom means you have the freedom to be wrong and make mistakes
"Your overconfidence is your weakness". "Your faith in your friends is your's". Maybe Palpatine really did foresee everything.
Uhh on tomorrow evening gotta watch that Senator topic video ^^ Good new week starting tomorrow & October 🤞🍂🍵🥪🍐
Very well said.
I’m Asian and this is not an “All Asians look the same” statement, but the longer I look, the more I find Alan looking like Xiono 😅
The bare grounds at Arlington hit me hard.
Saw kind of had a point, if he was still alive he would go against the imperial second Chance program in the new Republic he would hunt down every last imperial officer until there is nothing left then he can die easy knowing the Galaxy is safe without these people but bad people will always finds a way to come back and that was the first order!
Fortunate Son in 5:05 like the most content ID-ed song in history
Just because no one is making a ruckus in your backyard doesn't mean there isn't at your next-door neighbors.
Even if the Empire is scattered and without high command, it still doesn't make sense that they call it a non issue. Yes there are small groups around but they are still groups with heavy weapons, starships and a problem with you as a government.
When you don't give the credit to someone like Hera Syndulla, one of the ones that made it so you have that seat. Someone that still on the front line, you are making a big mistake in judgment.
Not sure it will happen, but would love to see Thrawn join up with the New Republic to battle the Yuuzhan Vong.
You can have that: By reading the books.
(The big flaw in being too 'understanding' of the NR situation in general is that none of these very real situations or attitudes actually add up to "All fleets and units must sit on their hands, No, don't send a light cruiser with the Rangers to take care of pirates terrorizing a friendly planet, even if that'd be a totally-easy pickup for our idealistic Republic that could use Outer Rim goodwill," "Or, no, *don't* check out the stolen warship hyperdrives you can follow cause... Cause don't! I think you're too emotional about the stolen warship hyperdrives smuggled by revealed traitors! Yeah, that's it! It's too personal, let them steal the stuff, for, umm, peace with the bad guys that aren't there?" )
The logic suggests there's more at play than reasonable skepticism.
poor writing
You do know similar things to this happened in real life, right?
That's why I say we need a C-plot line (a la "Andor") showing that Mon and Leia's hands are being tied by political machinations that they somehow can't control. Otherwise, we have to conclude that they're just stupid and weak.
@@kirkdarling4120 But we did have that in the show.
It was the scene where Mon Mothma was trying to get the Senate to act but they just didn't care.
And she's supposed to be shown to be weak in that scene, as it's the whole point of the persona she’s portraying: to throw off suspicions of her clandestine activities. She says so herself.
Just shows that most Star Wars fans can't pay attention to anything other than lightsabers, explosions, and blasters.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Yes, that was in "Andor." My point is that they need such a C-plot line in "Ahsoka."
I mean look what happened in the canadian parliament recently, makes sense it could happen so easily
Man, your analyses of these SW shows elevates the material so much for me! If Lucasfilm was smart, they'd bring you into the story group!
Hey Alan, you know we were just "Busting your Chops" because we love you.
Plus, you have a pretty thick skin with a health sense of humor.
nice analogies about our own World!
Wait, wait, that means that somewhere on the Holonet is like the Star Wars versions of Joe Rogan and Tim Pool. Holly cow how funny would that be to see in a TV show or Movie... Joe Rogan could just be interviewing Luke Skywalker about the force, Jedi History, and talking about martial arts on a screen in a Cantina. Tim Pool blasts on about how Leia is using fear of the Empire to prop up the military-industrial complex of Incom, Corrillian Engineering Corporation, Fondor Shipyards, Kyat Drive Systems, and Blasttech.
Not to change the subject but, have you ever wondered why, if the Sith Species originated on Korriban, there is a message about an ancient Zeffo Dark Sider written in ur'Kattat on the wall of a Nightsister Temple in a galaxy far far away?
Because they're ignoring the EU I favor of their own creation?
Please do more top ten list
I kinda like that they bring in more lore to the Sequels
Yea. This knowledge of what happens in the sequels makes me want to know how the Ashoka saga ends.
Day 200
PLEASE DO MORE TACTICS VIDEOS AND STRUCTURES LIKE THE CIS NAVY STRUCTURE AND RANKS
Honestly Alan, I don't know why you haven't been tapped to do a bit part.
@Alan Are you sure you weren't in the Ahsoka series?
I can relate to that thumbnail photo
7:02 Yeah, that is what people thought of the Rebel Alliance, until the Empire was defeated at Endor.
I was in the Gulf War as a Combat Security Contractor for two different companies and I guarantee oil and gas is why we fought over there but at least I know what I was fighting for, money.
The caution to the advice "do your own research first" is not to only look at research which will back up what you already think.
"Dayumm, homie, in high school you wuz..." 😂
Sooooo I’m glad me thinking the senator looks like you wasn’t just me 😅😅
I rate the glasses Alan 😎
Even Fukuyama is no longer a Fukuyamaist
best... thumbnail... EVER! 🤣
is that a red dwarf reference I see in the thumbnail?
My only problem with your defense of the senator is that you forgot to put in the balance what Hera asked.... she asked for a task force to find out the answers to the senators had questions about. She didn't ask for mobilization or 5 fleet! Just a task force to investigate.
I hear and agree with what you argument about hindsight, check and balance and doubting echo chambers. However, I do believe that a decorated general, a war hero, who comes to warn you of a possible great threat deserve at least a scouting party to help assesa if the threat is real! The way the senator framed her asking for ressources as a way to bolster her image/agenda irks me a lot.
So I understand the arguments you are bringing in these few videos about the subject and I agree with them. However ignoring a threat without taking action to valid/invalid intel is a serious flaw of procedure and a lack of prepardness.
I adore your vids, great work on your part as always
yep, in the end she accomplished the mission with the Ghost (her personal ubertricked ship that frankly make any imperial pilot not called Darth Vader in dire need of their brown pants) and 4 X-wing...i understand that resource are thin but 4 men and 4 starfighter to follow a lead to a warcriminal that escaped with the help of force wielder mercenaries, expecially after the event on Mandalore and the scandal in Corellia it's not that much. Sure the argument in defense of Xiono and the Republic behaviour are sound and vey belieavable but frankly the 'good' senator vibe is someone that want starve a possible rival of both resources and potential news appeareance. Because while Hera is a military revolutionary leader, she is also a very famous one with close connection with many republic leaders and she is the daughter of Star Wars version of Che Guevara (only much more succesfull), the day she decide to become a politician she can pick her senate seat and many like Xiono fear that
I used to crap on Mon Mothma a lot for how the New Republic turned out. Now I realized she was one of the least responsible.
when I saw the thumbnail I immediatly thought of "I am a fish, walking on land, breathing the air! That is intimidating!"
😂😂😂 Love the cellphone.
First, just let me say that like so many people here, I absolutely love your content. You give a lot of thought to these things, and it shows.
That said, there's a couple of points on this one that I think bear mentioning.. First... the general populace is often a lot more perceptive than politicians realize. You bring up Colin Powell and Iraqi WMDs, something that happened when you were 11 or 12... at the time, not only was the UN itself through the IAEA saying Iraq had no WMDs, but the American intelligence community was telling the President that, too. Powell knew he was lying as a result of Cheney telling the IC what cherry-picked conclusions needed to go into the official reports, and plenty of regular people were able to see what was going on, too. Hans Blixt, the UN chief inspector in Iraq, was openly saying there were no WMDs, and Saddam Hussein was _complying_ with US inspection demands. That's why in the end, Bush demanded he prove he had no WMDs, knowing it's impossible to prove a negative, and actually started the attack before the 72-hr deadline was up. And plenty of us watched it play out live, and were calling our Congresspeople to yelll at them. Again: the general populace pays more attention than pols think.
The second thing is something @Thisgraincharacter mentions: If there are scattered, disorganized elements of the Imperial Fleet out there... you have to hunt them to ground. There's just no excuse for the Defense Council not doing that, and unfortunately, that's a thing Leia should know. They may be disorganized and scattered now, but the more time you give them, the more likely they are to get organized. That's what people do: they connect with others who have similar goals and agendas. And that's something every successful politician understands. It's also something Hera should have pointed out.
Between that, and neither Hera nor Carson presenting the scans and telemetry of the massive hyperspace ring even though multiple astromechs could have corroborated one another's readings (including telemetry of its departure heading, showing it wasn't going someplace within the galaxy), the court-martial scene, as much as I loved Chopper's outburst, fell a little flat for me. The New Republic government is clearly plagued with people who just want to put their heads in the sand, and Imperial loyalists doing everything they can to help them do it, on a very real level, there's an unforgivable failure of leadership here, including Mon Mothma. She may not want a strong central government, but until the last pockets of the imperial war machine are destroyed, she needs it to be stronger than _this._
Also how many rebellion leaders are "former imperials" and now imagine trying to argue with people who are seeing the good in what they think are like minded people
After watching this video I am now anticipating Senator Xiono wanting to sit down with Thrawn, discuss their differences and come to a compromise while Thrawn is occupying mid-rim worlds.
I have a video idea! What if in episode 7 the new republic launched an attack on starkiller base before Hosnian prime was destroyed?
With what? At that point, the "New Republic defence fleet" was very accurately named. It was a large single fleet stationed in the Hosnian system that would reinforce local defence forces of member worlds. On top of that, the First Order had a substantial fleet, which would have responded to Starkiller Base's distress call. The New Republic Fleet would have been ground to dust in orbit of Starkiller base.
@@mathewwilkins1613 I mean if they destroyed D’qar instead. Ending the resistance
Like if Hera led the strike instead of Poe
What u never discuss or maybe I didnt see it is how everybody ages at the same rate on every planet like its earth . These guys go to planet to planet and nobody ever changes . In interstellar they spent 1 hour a planet but was like decades for people on earth
Different concepts of space travel.
13:48 if he is still on TH-cam in 60 years you'll see a update here😂😂❤
Thumbnail! 🤌
I fought in the 82nd SpaceBourne Rangers. We made 57 Space to Ground combat jumps. I have PTSD from it so I smoke alot of Death Sticks.
I think I'd have gotten PTSD and would've become arrested for war crimes after the battle of Jakku, and thus, I would not be able to pick a side, because I'd still be in prison rambling about the war
Always be skeptical.
now that you said he looks like your uncle I can't unsee it 🤣
These senators live in a galaxy where some humanoids have fish-heads, some have three eyes (both types present at these senate meetings,) a galaxy that is known to have giant Zillow beasts and Rancors and Banthas, etc., and then, add the fact that the Purrgil were witnessed by thousands if not millions of citizens on the planet of Lothal. Also, the citizens and senate should know the truth about the existence of Jedi considering it was only 30 or so years ago when thousands of Jedi, who, as it was also known, could do "impossible" things while they protected the galaxy. Whether or not the senators in question believe the Jedi guilty of a coup attempt or not, they know they existed. All these bizarre, "unbelievable" elements, from a Earth human point of view, is fanciful indeed, but in a Galaxy Far, Far Away, it's ridiculous for a galactic senator to not believe in the idea of "space whales" that were witnessed by so many people and even acknowledged as the co-liberators of Lothal. Basically, Senator Xiono's questioning rant about "things that they should believe," is absolutely ridiculous. This rant proves that either he is completely out of touch with the galaxy, completely incompetent, scared out of his mind, or a supporter of the Imperial Remnant. No matter which way you slice it, this senator is nearly as dangerous a threat to the New Republic as Grand Admiral Thrawn is. Gather all the clues together and you end up winning the game. And remember, a clue is a clue regardless of how believable it is. Context is often the key and experience counts.
By than standard, Palpatine shouldn't have overthrown the Republic and would have been outed as a Sith Lord decades ago.
But we allow unrealistic things to enable the story as long as they don't stretch credulity too far.
Well Purgill are know well animal, at least by stellar pilot as they are a know danger and as Hera pointed in the episode that introduced them, she had lost a lot of friend 'thanks' to them; what apparently is not a well know fact is their natural capacity of superluminal travel except as myth; the fact that maybe millions had seen them on Lothal and say that are dissapperead in space probably play on the core world bias against the outer rim people, basically they think it's a local exageration done by local yokel that don't know any better.
@@lukedalton that does make sense. I liken this concept to the (as I think it's called) the "Kentucky Gray People," where a whole group of people experience what they believed/understood to be an extraterrestrial siege of their farmhouse (back in the 40s or 50s I believe this happened.) Because the group was from the "backwaters" of Kentucky, the groups' testimony was/is often regarded as "hick folktales" (or something to that effect.)
@@skyden24195 You also have to understand that there are instances of people also seeing things that would be impossible like the 10,000 who witnessed The Miracle of Fatima where they say the sun danced acrossed the sky and even flew straight towards them.
With so many contradicting claims, you can't just take everyone’s word for it.
@@Lobsterwithinternet fair enough, but Senator Xiono lives in a galaxy that has more varied lifeforms and planetary civilizations, religions, species with abilities that are extremely unique from others, that, as a competent senator, Xiono has to realize this fact about the galaxy. And since he is a galactic senator, it's not like he's confined to his home planet like so many others in the galaxy are. There are citizens in the galaxy on republic member planets that have never been to space and have little real idea of what else is out there, but not a galactic senator. For Xiono to be that narrowminded of a Galactic Republic Senator, and further, on the defense council is dangerous and/or ridiculous. Perhaps he genuinely doesn't believe there is a threat, but to blanket deny the existence of possibilities has to be an indication of one of three things, 1. fear 2. stupidity 3. treasonous intent.
All that being said, I can believe a person like Senator Xiono to exist in a Galaxy Far, Far Away. After all, unfortunately, authority figures like him have existed throughout Earth's human history.
This Video made me think about Fabrizio Romano. He is both truthful and competent. Almost all Football Fans believe him with every word and sometimes he knows even more than the relatives of subject player.
You are a very smart person, FYI.
Imperial Tartar sauce forever.
Once the solution is discovered but peoples do not listen, what should we do? I'm basically in the same situation as Teva and Hera right now when it comes to the toxic and divisive fandom of Attack on Titan. I proposed a plan that can literally save both Paradis and the rest of the world. But yet, nobody bothered to listen. Well, they did on this site but TH-cam does not allowed me to talk about it in details. But still, they are very few in number and most people still don't take my plan seriously and wanted to remain toxic and hateful for the sake of being toxic and hateful in order to justify that their views are right. Some sided with Alliance, some sided with the Yeagerists and some sided with Marley. Like doing such things will helped in anyway.
The infighting between the Imperial Warlords is way way better explanation of why the large amount of star-destroyers got destroyed. Its very difficult way to convince people to preforme a suicide mission. Just see how difficult is was for the naval leaders of the Deutsche Kaiserliche Marine to convince the navy to perform a himmelstoss-commando in 1918 - the sailors mutinied.
The mutiny of the German Imperial Navy in 1918 was due to many factor, from revolutionary unrest fueled by famine to the mentioned suicide mission but more because by then it was clear that the war was lost and the entire mission and their death was just an hollow move in the name of some abstract concept of noble honor not a mission with a genuine possibility to really affect the outcome of the war
I wonder one thing - if Thrawn makes it back and does some significant impact on the New Republic - how will they be able to still be so blind to possible threats that they repeat the mistake of ignoring threats again when the first order rises? I guess Thrawn and the imp remnant will have much impact then after all
i dont even care about starwars. youre just the best freeform monologuist i have ever seen! :)