WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Help, is the professional association for physicians involved in gender health, and propagates the policies and standards of care for the field. They formerly admitted that in most children, gender dysphoria will disappear before, or early in, puberty with their recommended studies demonstrating that up to 94% of children referred for gender dysphoria (77-94% in one set of studies and 73-88% in another) grow out of their gender dysphoria naturally. The bitter irony is that WPATH now pushes "gender affirming care" instead of advocating counseling for these kids.
@@GF-qb3uo They need to be stopped and as your saying most grow out of this nonsense. People should be locked up for pushing this stuff on kids and robbing them of a future in some cases if they have surgery.
@@MrRABC1 I agree 100%. In 10 years, society will look back in horror at this time, much as we do now at the lobotomy craze of the early/mid 20th century, with which it has many parallels. The Federalist has on article of the similarities ("10 Ways The Transgender Push Mirrors The Lobotomy Craze") which appeared in an earlier form in 4thWaveNow, a blog for LGB-supportive parents concerned about the increasing trend to medically “transition” gender-nonconforming youth ("Lobotomy: The rise and fall of a miracle cure").
@@GF-qb3uo Sad indeed. However, many if not most of the new group of patients exhibiting gender dysphoria are young teenage girls, i.e. many of them have already entered puberty. I believe that the (mostly mental) pains of puberty, in combination with these ideas of "changing sex", is driving this avalanche of patients that we see. (I don't know about you, but I, and most of my friends, have VERY few fond memories of the puberty process itself. The other day I learned that while a butterfly larva goes through the pupa stage and becomes more or less mush, the nervous system is conserved, so that they still remember scents and so on when they finally emerge as butterflies. We humans instead become mental mush during our "pupaerty".)
One of my daughters was till puberty more of a tomboy and wanted to be a boy...she is 19 now and since puberty she can't recall why she was this tomboy girl...and she is absolutely straight...and a beautiful, regular young lady...
I have read so many comments from people saying that about themselves! And so many expresses great grattitude for either being born before these ultimate years of great pressure to getting chemically castrated and having healthy body parts removed by surgeons, or having parents who just let their children be tomboy'ish or girly until they'd passed through puberty and things changed. So many being happy with their lìfe, and grateful for being parents; a possibility that they wouldn't have had if they had received "affirming care".
Me too. I was the biggest tomboy and thought I wanted to be a boy. Now I'm a grown adult who likes girly things because I was allowed to mature the way I was intended to. I have children that I likely would not have had if I were a child today.
When I was a little girl, I was the biggest Tom boy you would have met. I didn't wear Girl clothes at all. I hated makeup and jewelry. I had only male friends and preferred to play sports or do traditionally male hobbies. I vividly remember being mad when puberty hit, and i started growing breasts. I joked that I was a boy living in a girls body. Then puberty finished. Turns out I'm bisexual. And while I'm definitely not the epitome of femininity. I am definitely a woman. My sex does not define my personality. It really scares me to think about how if I was young today, how I would have been pushed into hormones and surgeries. I love my breasts and the curves of my body. It just took time for me to grow into them and figure out who I was.
@@brokenandcraked Honey I know you’ve been lied to but that’s not how that works. No transgender person would’ve pressured you to transition because you like sports. You would not have been kidnapped and forced to transition. This does not happen
I think it's pretty obvious sometimes which kid is gonna grow up gay and some parents are now turning to transing their children to deal with their homophobia.
That is an excellent point and one that has been rolling around in my head for a while. Thanks for putting it into words. They prefer to mutilate their child than to allow it a gay identity.
Lol it’s not homophobic dumbass. You completely just made up. Being gay is physically unnatural and a clear negative mutation, and I mean this only as a physical aspect. If two male Lions were gay together then that would go against the means and purpose of nature, they can’t reproduce and same with humans they can’t have sex in any normal way. Same with lesbian. Every single species on earth have one natural setting and that is to be capable of reproducing with your partner. And btw a lot of parents would love to have grandchildren someday, a gay child takes that dream away from them. Again I’m not against gay people but everything i have said are proven and very valid facts. If I was gay, I know deep down i would be disappointed and sad that I can’t have children in a natural way or with my lover.
So a high percentage are just gay. Just like many people have been saying. I think there are also a lot of children who have been molested and feel they'd be safer if they transitioned to the opposite gender.
Just because a girl likes what people associate with boys doesn't mean she doesn't want to be a boy and vice versa.....if we would stop pushing this agenda and let people be people instead of insisting they choose a label this would all stop being such a pastime
I never like playing dolls and I love climbing trees. Nobody have ever asked me if I'm a tomboy and I never thought about being a tomboy. I know I'm a girl and I enjoy doing men's work at the same time dressing up and looking sexy being woman.
Theres also a huge link with claiming dysphoria and having a personality disorder, one of the reasons they arent capable of having calm debates and instead resort to threats and other aggressions aimed at destroying someones life.
My mother is left handed and she used to get her knuckles rapped with a ruler at school if she used her left hand to write. Only her art teacher would just let her be. This was back in the 50s. And rightly we now look back and see how ridiculous and wrong it was to try and enforce right handed-ness. You'd think we'd have learnt to let people be and not try to fit them in boxes by now. Just let them grow up without intervention, they'll find their way on their own, just as everyone before them has done.
@@jeremywickwire565 There's showing emotion and then there's insanity like JP indulges in. Back in the "good old days" they called it "hysterics" in women.
Puberty is supposed to be uncomfortable sometimes. You have to go through it. Trying to escape it is to run away from yourself, from finding out who you are
I grew up with two brothers and was a tomboy and hated frills and eventually became a carpenter and fell in love with airplanes and cars! Then it was discovered that I had a Mechanical Reasoning and Mechanical Aptitude beyond GRADE 18 which defined as being equal to someone who graduates grade 12 and has 6 years of university equivalent. And none of these philosophies weren't in our schools then, and I didn't turn out to be a lesbian!!
I grew up gay and I was a very feminine little girl who loved dolls and doll's prams and tea sets. I loved doll's houses and frilly dresses. I'm as queer as a bent farthing.
When I was a little girl of bout 6 I obsessively wanted a false beard. I saved up and bought a nice bushy red one. To my surprise my family would not be seen out with me wearing it. I don't remember how it eventually got retired. Thoroughly straight, 4 kids. I know it was because I missed my dad who was bearded and who had died. Today I may have been whipped off and surgically and hormonally butchered.
Im the exact opposite. Grew up a giant tomboy. Played in the dirt, did mixed martial arts, hated dresses and anything remotely girly, only played eith the boys, ect. But I'm absolutely straight as an arrow and while im still a tomboy i wear makeup and evem dresses occasionally. I woukd have been butchered and shot up with hormones to high hell if i grew up in todays time. I thank god everyday i grew up in the 90s
This is the problem with these queeny type gay guys they give a very specific stereotypical view of homosexuality that conforms to some peoples (seemingly ingrained) biases. But it's not their fault. At no point did they have the option of being in the closet.
@@dogsarebossshe has a PhD in maths. She wrote for the economist and one day her boss asked her why children kept coming home from school declaring they were trans. She went to write an article and discovered she was met with push back and that this was a subject no one would touch. She thinks the trans movement is a linguistic one. She wrote a book because of the trauma of de-transitioner’s called “Trans: when ideology meets reality.” (#2 in gender and the law on Amazon). She lectures everywhere. She states that the medical profession is sterilizing gay kids, and or women who are undiagnosed with other mental health conditions such as anxiety/depression and even autism. We don’t have any data or research to show that transitioning children is the way to go. “Biological sex is no longer accepted as a basic fact of life. It is forbidden to admit that female people sometimes need protection and privacy from male ones.” H. Joyce
One of the saddest things I have seen on TH-cam is a man who because he was an effeminate boy was transitioned to a girl and now an adult has detransioned back to male. He said bitterly "So now I am a gay man without a penis."
Also, prominent mothers of gnc little boys have openly said they set their sons on this path of medical harm because they and/or their husbands refused to accept their sons may be gay. (Jeanette Jennings and Susie Greene for example.)
Kai Shapley's parents were fundamentalist "christians" who decided their less-than-3yr old boy "might be gay. And that could not happen. That would NOT happen." They googled conversion therapy and beat him when he played with the "wrong" toys. When that didn't make him less effeminate, they transed him, starred in a documentary, now cart him around to be the pure sweet young face of pediatric gender affirming "care." He's been medicalized now. Likely permanently sterile & anorgasmic. For life. I hate people like his parents. I never say I hate people, but I HATE those monsters and all like them.
I know trans people who were "straight", and then when they transitioned, they stayed attracted to the same sex as before. Essentially becoming gay after transitioning. No, not everyone who identifies as trans does so just to date the opposite gender. We wouldnt see MORE trans people in a time where you can be accepted as being gay way more easily than being trans and you can legally get married and all that. Most people don't. It's still WAY easier to date as a gay identity than as a trans one. Yes, there is a correlation to people who are same sex attracted and people who want to transition or don't identify with gendered labeling, but there's also environmental and cultural factors to consider. Someone who has been able to question their identity compared to social standards is more likely to be able to do that in other facets of their life as well, and stop trying to fit in with the expectations of others around them.
Children experiencing puberty also report, almost unanimously, feeling awkward and self-conscious about their changing bodies and not only how they viewed themselves, but how others viewed them through this stage as well. Without any outside interference, meaning other people including adults, pushing the idea of gender non conformence during this stage of development, most of the children went on to live happy lives in traditional gender roles.
Of course because if they haven't had Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs met as they grow up & they're not in safe place or they've been taken advantage of they can't form a whole organic personality because of how much is grounded in trauma & confusion & now professionals aren't even allowed to explain that.
This is kind of my case. I am a man who played "fem" games with girls. Teachers told mom I was gay since I was very young. I turned out to be attracted to men... But my crisis of sex orientation (due to religious ideology) also brought me the strong feeling of not being a man or being closer to women without really feeling a woman. Ten years later I accepted I can be a man and that I still can wear and behave however I like and identify as a cisgender man. I would never think that my conclusion about my identity has to be the same for everyone. Now, my sister had a similar story, but she is 100% straight. She simply liked "boyish" games. I am still gender non-conforming in many ways and I don't stand sexism. Whoever thinks that this video or my story is a reason to discourage trans-affirming care for kids is not understanding what this care means. No one has actually promoted surgeries for trans-kids. Let's avoid taking this data as a justification for bullying trans and gender non-conforming people and sabotaging policies to ensure their wellbeing. Ironically, if we were not so sexist and homophobic, I think, we would have fewer people thinking that they're transgender merely due to their sex orientation. If you think that people detransitioning is a huge problem, in the first place you should recognize it is a mess created by sexism and homophobia, and transphobia is by no means the way to fix it. At the end, whatever people decide with their lifes, let's not bully each other. Trans kids are REAL and deserve respect and love. I don't have the right to question your identity based on my identity.
This is obvious to anyone who has passed through childhood and had enough friends to see the pattern. One of my best friends was a tom boy, short hair, dressed like a boy, loved football and climbing, highly competitive with the boys, preferred msle company as a kid. Came put as gay when she grew up. If she grew up now I wonder how quickly she would be put in a trans box.
@@merocaine Let's see. Grew up tom boy, came out as lesbian when adult. Wonders if they grew up now if she'd be put into the trans box. Being a tom boy does not make one trans, never has. So... Answer: no, because she's lesbian, not Trans.
@@twiztedsynz totally missed the point. Of course she was a lesbian, what I said is if she grew up now, because she liked boys toys and clothes as a child, would dumb ass adults assume she was trans and push her in that direction. It happens now already, see some of the testimony of women who detransitioned as adults, re tavistock clinic.
@@merocaine Again, no, she would still be a Lesbian. She was not, and never was, Trans. Not all doctors or places are like Tavistock which was complicated and messy AF. PROPERLY done, a kid who is experiencing possible dysphoria or other gender issues, will see a psychologist and therapist on top of a family doctor, and they will work together to figure out if the kid is just going through that "tom boy" phase, or if they truly are Trans. Just because Tavistock was a trash place, doesn't mean all gender focused help centres are trash as well. So yes, your friend could go to a place and still be seen as "just" a lesbian.
I was one of those kids who was fairly non-conforming as a young boy in the early 80’s - loved dolls, women’s shoes, vacuum cleaners, all my friends were girls, I loved Kylie and Madonna. There was even a brief period, before puberty and therefore with no understanding of sexual attraction - where I thought I must be a girl because I was interested in boys - I’m so glad I didn’t grow up recently otherwise I’d have been castrated and stuck in a maxi-dress.
I'm straight and I was a tom boy through and through But I LOVED dressing up for proms and balls and fancy girly things. I'll play in the dirt and on the same day dress up for an event as simple as dinner. Which I may do tonight for my husband😂 Let kids be kids and figure out that stuff when they are done growing COMPLETELY The average age for a brain to mature fully in a woman is around 23-24 year old, for men, I believe its 25-26. Just let them grow up
I think their choices during puberty informed, and determined, their sexuality. That doesn't strike me as a difficult concept to understand, like rocket science would be for the vast majority of us. It's just common sense!
Where have all the adults gone? We're any ever here? I looked at adults like I wanted to be one. Well then I became an adult. I've been looking many yrs. But I don't think I've met any adults.
When I was growing up there were about fifty kids in _The Neighborhood_ (six streets semi connected together in the suburbs) between 5-18 when I was about 10. Of those 50 there was about a 50/50 split between boys and girls, of the 25 girls there were 5 you would consider Tom-Boys. Of those 5 Tom-boys 4 grew up to become mothers, 3 were married to men, 1 was a perpetual divorcee (I think she got married to about five men over the years) and one grew up to be gay~ 3 of the non- Tom-boys were also gay. None of those 50 kids became trans.
I remember when venom and PayPal froze and closed the accounts of a group called "Gays against Grooming". There are many gay people that are getting a bad rap because of all the other ones who want to push it on our kids.
So you're okay with perpetuating the sludge that used to be gays just a few years ago, only now it's trans people? Good little doggies got yours, now screw everyone else, huh?
Another comment on this one. She might be right about puberty teaching people who they are - in the end. But during puberty, you feel even less clear on who you are than before conception. It is a bit like going through a mental spin cycle. Or circling a roundabout in Autobahn speed. You do not know while your in it which road you will be on when you finally leave the roundabout. I apologise for being so negative about puberty. It is something we all need to go through. (I am not very positive about death either, and we will have to go through that as well.) But to me, it was not a very positive experience. It was necessary, I can see that, but not pleasant while it lasted.
People forget that it became popular to mutilate yourself before, going so far as to remove limbs because they "felt like it". Do what you want, but don't push it like it's sane.
Surely, 'gender non-conformity' means that a person would not think of themselves as fitting the stereotypes for their gender. It seems too great a leap to make to then say that 'gender non-conformist' thoughts means that someone would view themselves as members of the opposite sex. It would seem logical that homosexual children go through 'realisations' about their orientation, while still identifying with their biological sex.
Also, dont tell your kids that being gay is an option. Tell them that men marry women and that thats whtas normal. As for the other people, they are a minority and its not the norm. I was a tomboy, but my parents taught me gay was wrong and i grew up straight. Thhey also forced me to wear dresses to church and i hated it but i got used to it and now i like dresses but only wear them when going out. Dont give kids too much info. Make it simple.
Puberty taught them who they were - couldn't have put it better! I was the biggest tom boy out when younger and only really had male friends - Until about 12, then I made friends with a pack of girls and suddenly really fancied some of the boys in my school. Now 36, a mother, could not be more conformist in my views on what makes a man attractive and have mostly female friends. BUT if I had been 8 today I probably would have been transitioned. Terrifying
No, you wouldn't have been transitioned. And what about those of us who "used to be the biggest tom boy out there" and did NOT turn out to be some sort of stereotypical woman? You know, the mom, the dresses, the make up, the blah, blah, blah? What if at puberty, I was "taught" that I like both boys and girls, that there are days I feel less feminine and more masculine? In today's society, that doesn't matter either because people will still deny that it's legitimate to be like that.
Oh dear. A product of this generations terrible ideology. I think you think you have not been 'taught' and trust me you have - You have breathed in an ideology that tells you that it is a crisis to be a women that feels 'more masculine than feminine' (whatever that actually means - as these ideas in your mind come from your own set of stereotypes in relation to these two words, yet ironically you pat yourself on the back and believe you are existing free from stereotypes.) It is not a crisis. @@twiztedsynz
Sure, puberty taught them what they were, and if puberty taught them that they were trans, or gender fluid, or ace, or what have you? What does that say?
@@casteretpollux Gender conforming behavior is a boy doing what boys typically do and girls doing what girls typically do. For example my little boy used to play in the sand pit with his trucks much more than my little girl did. She preferred playing with her Lego animals and building houses for them.
Tell these students to focus on their studies. Be whatever gender you want. Just remember the immigrants children are busy studying and working hard to get into the better schools. You will be working for them if you do not settle down and focus on making a good life for yourself. Very competitive world. Wake up
@@tracimetcalf3374 not really. Tired of immigrants taking over. Our parents worked hard for our children to have a good life. Tired of immigrants just coming here and taking over. You must earn your place first.
It's behavior that strays from the generally expected norms for either gender, such as girls preferring boxing to barbies or boys preferring barbies to boxing. Clearly, those preferences are fine, but as HJ says, they point strongly to a likelihood of being same-sex attracted after puberty.
@@sosimple3585so they are anomaly freaks, so close to no relevance to humanity. This should be spoken about in the same amount as the minority of their existence
@@trixietru It's an unscientific term. It is subjective not objective. What is normal? What is conforming? One short hair cut? A pair of docs ? Not wanginga Barbie ?
According to trans activists, anyone who doesn't agree with any part of their agenda is a TERF. Which is 99.9% of the world population. Instead of succumbing to the information control tactics of slurring anyone who tells the truth about the cult, listen to what is said, not who said it.
Logically you can not change genders, you can say your gender fluid, or whatever ever gender specific, but your still male or female logically and because biology dictates gender. Not feelings, you can express whatever feelings you have about gender. But it’s still female and male, it’s biology, and it will be biology tomorrow. And the day after and the week after and the month and they year after ever-after, Dressing up in the opposite gender specific clothing is called transvestite, not transgender, You can’t change words meanings. Trans gender is a term someone started using because they didn’t like transvestite. But cha are Blanche, ya are,
Well, as a gender fluid person, I'm not changing biology. My biology is in part what makes me gender fluid. I know it's hard to grasp that for some people but... not my fault people limit themselves and understanding of what gender is.
@@AdrianMunch I'd laugh but that joke is so old and bigoted that it's not worth the effort. How about this. Men are human. Women are human. What parts they have is no business of mine, yours, or anyone else.
But society in the past has condemned them for being gay. Right yes some of them grow out of phases And some dont. Society and its attitudes has a lot to do with it. The bigotry The homophobic attitudes People are different and society had to accept that much.
She's not talking about being homosexual being a phase for these people back then, she's talking about the discomfort of these people being gay, thus developing gender dysphoria, so they can be "straight", however going through puberty/growing up allowed them to accept themselves as Gay, and their Gender Dysphoria went away. It's not about society being homophobic, its about internalized homophobia leading to gender dysphoria, which quite a lot of society now supports.
But also, she seems to be saying something about when sexuality/attraction and sexual expression develop. It seems to be that the cognitive part (awareness) doesn’t fully develop until puberty, thereby the feelings of anxiety cease.
She's confident because she is right. WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Help, is the professional association for physicians involved in gender health, and propagates the policies and standards of care for the field. They formerly admitted that in most children, gender dysphoria will disappear before, or early in, puberty with their recommended studies demonstrating that up to 94% of children referred for gender dysphoria (77-94% in one set of studies and 73-88% in another) grow out of their gender dysphoria naturally. The bitter irony is that WPATH now pushes "gender affirming care" instead of advocating counseling for these kids.
@@YoukilisTHSGEMB Willful ignorance doesn't serve one well in life. In the chance additional data might help, here's two studies. 1. One the largest and longest term studies on gender dysphoric youth found 87.8% desisted: Singh, et al. "A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder." Front Psychiatry. 29 Mar 2021. 2. The results of the world’s largest dataset on patients who have undergone sex-reassignment procedures demonstrated no advantage of surgery or hormonal interventions in relation to subsequent mood or anxiety disorder-related health care visits or prescriptions or hospitalizations following suicide attempts. ("Correction to Bränström and Pachankis." American Journal of Psychiatry. 1 Aug 2020). This study was initially touted by the authors and media to demonstrate the opposite regarding surgical interventions, but this conclusion was reversed, as shown in the correction ("Branstrom and Panchakis, "Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total Population Study." American Journal of Psychiatry. 4 Oct 2019 )
If anything, one can argue that the "trans" movement has increased teen suicides as the teen suicide rate nearly doubled between 2008 and 2018, a time period which encompasses the rise of the movement.
@@bogella2225 I guess when you ignore reality, you can ignore that the suicide rate for gender nonconforming teens was lower when "gender affirming care" was not a thing. Nothing bigoted about it. It's data.
For you reading who is concerned with the idea of children being "mutilated" id like to be honest with you. Statistically, transpeople exist. And contrary to her ideas, a majority of transwomen (born male) like women and vice versa for transmen. There is more presence of lgb people when it comes to transpeople and that is very likely because its a lot more accepted in those circles This is because most likely, gender expression and sexual preference isnt inherently bound. Now ofcourse, children shouldnt be able to make this choice. And thats why we have puberty blockers. You might know that they can cause bone deterioration and a slowing down in braindevelopment. This is true. However, the effects of the bone deterioration only happens if the blockers are misused (used longer than intended) and braindevelopment isnt "slowed" its the same speed as before it just doesnt get the additional boost that it would get during puberty. Which it ofcourse gets back once the blockers are of and puberty insues. Ideal situation is that they can use blockers until its been made sure by several different proffessionals that the child NEEDS the hormones or that the hormones would drastically increase the childs quality of life. Or... until they are 18 and can choose themselves. Transpeople do exist, historically aswell, in literally every culture, theres been precedent for people who wish to be the other gender or sex. Now ill finish off by outing the gal up there, helen Joyce is a journalist, she covers only transissues and associates happily with jk rowling, rowling openly supports groups which out sensitive transpeople in the society, causing violence against them. Now even if you arent convinced we should let the kids be trans i trust you dont believe violence is good for anyone. Consume this media with care, because though much lf it does seem born out of concern, much of it isnt. And if you find yourself being "cancelled" remember that its very difficult to discern concern from hatred. Thank you for your time❤
Horrible. Don’t talk to YOU! Freedom of speech and freedom of association are the bedrocks of civilisation. Anyone afraid of either has something to hide.
WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Help, is the professional association for physicians involved in gender health, and propagates the policies and standards of care for the field. They formerly admitted that in most children, gender dysphoria will disappear before, or early in, puberty with their recommended studies demonstrating that up to 94% of children referred for gender dysphoria (77-94% in one set of studies and 73-88% in another) grow out of their gender dysphoria naturally. The bitter irony is that WPATH now pushes "gender affirming care" instead of advocating counseling for these kids.
Most people aren't attracted to how someone is identifying but are attracted according to the person's sex. It's called sexual orientation not gender orientation for a reason.
@@jlb7608 Sorry I don't want to make you look silly but that's not true. If someone has told you this then they are lying to you and/or themselves. There are people who are bisexual of course who aren't that bothered. However most people are attracted to someone's sex not gender. They maybe be initially attracted but once they realise the physical reality they lose attraction. That's a rare occurrence because most trans identifying people don't pass. For example, homosexual females and heterosexual males will only have intimate relations with females. It's not transphobic, it's just their orientation and that should be respected.
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Anusodomisation must be made illegal
Puberty taught them who they were.
That is a powerfully true statement. Almost as if puberty has a purpose 🤔
Thats why leftists push puberty blockers
WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Help, is the professional association for physicians involved in gender health, and propagates the policies and standards of care for the field. They formerly admitted that in most children, gender dysphoria will disappear before, or early in, puberty with their recommended studies demonstrating that up to 94% of children referred for gender dysphoria (77-94% in one set of studies and 73-88% in another) grow out of their gender dysphoria naturally. The bitter irony is that WPATH now pushes "gender affirming care" instead of advocating counseling for these kids.
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They need to be stopped and as your saying most grow out of this nonsense. People should be locked up for pushing this stuff on kids and robbing them of a future in some cases if they have surgery.
@@MrRABC1 I agree 100%. In 10 years, society will look back in horror at this time, much as we do now at the lobotomy craze of the early/mid 20th century, with which it has many parallels. The Federalist has on article of the similarities ("10 Ways The Transgender Push Mirrors The Lobotomy Craze") which appeared in an earlier form in 4thWaveNow, a blog for LGB-supportive parents concerned about the increasing trend to medically “transition” gender-nonconforming youth ("Lobotomy: The rise and fall of a miracle cure").
@@GF-qb3uo Sad indeed. However, many if not most of the new group of patients exhibiting gender dysphoria are young teenage girls, i.e. many of them have already entered puberty. I believe that the (mostly mental) pains of puberty, in combination with these ideas of "changing sex", is driving this avalanche of patients that we see. (I don't know about you, but I, and most of my friends, have VERY few fond memories of the puberty process itself. The other day I learned that while a butterfly larva goes through the pupa stage and becomes more or less mush, the nervous system is conserved, so that they still remember scents and so on when they finally emerge as butterflies. We humans instead become mental mush during our "pupaerty".)
Helen Joyce is a woman of courage & character and a hero of our times imo
100%
Yes being a misgendering bully, so strong, so brave. 🤡
Helen Joyce, the Voice of Reason
Put this lady on every news cast please
Why she says the same wrong things all the others say
If we support questioning the answers will emerge without medical and surgical interventions. FIRST DO NO HARM.
One of my daughters was till puberty more of a tomboy and wanted to be a boy...she is 19 now and since puberty she can't recall why she was this tomboy girl...and she is absolutely straight...and a beautiful, regular young lady...
I have read so many comments from people saying that about themselves! And so many expresses great grattitude for either being born before these ultimate years of great pressure to getting chemically castrated and having healthy body parts removed by surgeons, or having parents who just let their children be tomboy'ish or girly until they'd passed through puberty and things changed. So many being happy with their lìfe, and grateful for being parents; a possibility that they wouldn't have had if they had received "affirming care".
Me too. I was the biggest tomboy and thought I wanted to be a boy. Now I'm a grown adult who likes girly things because I was allowed to mature the way I was intended to. I have children that I likely would not have had if I were a child today.
We need to leave kids alone. They will sort themselves out if given time.
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Just the term "Affirming care" scares the shit outa me. I hate all of this.
@@MrRABC1like 90% of gender comferming care is just letting them us pronouns
When I was a little girl, I was the biggest Tom boy you would have met. I didn't wear Girl clothes at all. I hated makeup and jewelry. I had only male friends and preferred to play sports or do traditionally male hobbies.
I vividly remember being mad when puberty hit, and i started growing breasts. I joked that I was a boy living in a girls body.
Then puberty finished. Turns out I'm bisexual. And while I'm definitely not the epitome of femininity. I am definitely a woman. My sex does not define my personality.
It really scares me to think about how if I was young today, how I would have been pushed into hormones and surgeries. I love my breasts and the curves of my body. It just took time for me to grow into them and figure out who I was.
@@brokenandcraked Honey I know you’ve been lied to but that’s not how that works. No transgender person would’ve pressured you to transition because you like sports. You would not have been kidnapped and forced to transition. This does not happen
@@yeetyeet1655 I can't tell if you're just really misinformed or if you're trying to gaslight me.
@@brokenandcraked Sweetheart the NHS has a 5 year wait time for gender clinics. This cannot possibly happen
@@yeetyeet1655 Thank you for clarifying that you are gaslighting me.
@brokenandcraked It literally does. I am presenting facts. You are presenting your feelings and uninformed speculation
Let the lawsuits begin.
It couldn't happen to a more deserving group of ghoulish doctors.
Too bad tens of thousands of kids are being permanently damaged and sterilized while this is still allowed.
Don’t hurt your body!
I think it's pretty obvious sometimes which kid is gonna grow up gay and some parents are now turning to transing their children to deal with their homophobia.
Whilst pretending to be progressive!
@@clairhonnor6211 Exactly!
That is an excellent point and one that has been rolling around in my head for a while. Thanks for putting it into words. They prefer to mutilate their child than to allow it a gay identity.
Lol it’s not homophobic dumbass. You completely just made up. Being gay is physically unnatural and a clear negative mutation, and I mean this only as a physical aspect. If two male Lions were gay together then that would go against the means and purpose of nature, they can’t reproduce and same with humans they can’t have sex in any normal way. Same with lesbian. Every single species on earth have one natural setting and that is to be capable of reproducing with your partner.
And btw a lot of parents would love to have grandchildren someday, a gay child takes that dream away from them. Again I’m not against gay people but everything i have said are proven and very valid facts.
If I was gay, I know deep down i would be disappointed and sad that I can’t have children in a natural way or with my lover.
Conversion therapy
Helen Joyce is just amazing.
So a high percentage are just gay. Just like many people have been saying. I think there are also a lot of children who have been molested and feel they'd be safer if they transitioned to the opposite gender.
Just because a girl likes what people associate with boys doesn't mean she doesn't want to be a boy and vice versa.....if we would stop pushing this agenda and let people be people instead of insisting they choose a label this would all stop being such a pastime
Kinda regresses back to gender stereotypes ironically
I never like playing dolls and I love climbing trees. Nobody have ever asked me if I'm a tomboy and I never thought about being a tomboy. I know I'm a girl and I enjoy doing men's work at the same time dressing up and looking sexy being woman.
when I was little I used to say I want to be a boy but now I love being a girl
Theres also a huge link with claiming dysphoria and having a personality disorder, one of the reasons they arent capable of having calm debates and instead resort to threats and other aggressions aimed at destroying someones life.
This should be expected, like some are left handed others bi-handed. We don't give them brain surgery.
Or actually let's cut off their hands so they don't write with the wrong ones anymore.
Exactly! I'm left-handed and would have been seen as non-conforming. Let's cut off her hand as part of individual experession!
My mother is left handed and she used to get her knuckles rapped with a ruler at school if she used her left hand to write. Only her art teacher would just let her be. This was back in the 50s. And rightly we now look back and see how ridiculous and wrong it was to try and enforce right handed-ness.
You'd think we'd have learnt to let people be and not try to fit them in boxes by now. Just let them grow up without intervention, they'll find their way on their own, just as everyone before them has done.
Jordan Peterson has said the same thing
But they wont listen to Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson is in the same camp as JK Rowling as far as they’re concerned, possibly even worse.
Was he crying when he said it. ?
@@1i11ies8I thought men are supposed to be able to show emotion. You must not be a very good liberal. Shame on you.
@@jeremywickwire565 There's showing emotion and then there's insanity like JP indulges in.
Back in the "good old days" they called it "hysterics" in women.
@@Gatheist Because JP is an unhinged wackadoo that at one point used to make sense, but now should be a patient seeking out help.
Puberty is supposed to be uncomfortable sometimes. You have to go through it. Trying to escape it is to run away from yourself, from finding out who you are
I grew up with two brothers and was a tomboy and hated frills and eventually became a carpenter and fell in love with airplanes and cars!
Then it was discovered that I had a Mechanical Reasoning and Mechanical Aptitude beyond GRADE 18 which defined as being equal to someone who graduates grade 12 and has 6 years of university equivalent. And none of these philosophies weren't in our schools then, and I didn't turn out to be a lesbian!!
I grew up gay and I was a very feminine little girl who loved dolls and doll's prams and tea sets. I loved doll's houses and frilly dresses. I'm as queer as a bent farthing.
When I was a little girl of bout 6 I obsessively wanted a false beard. I saved up and bought a nice bushy red one. To my surprise my family would not be seen out with me wearing it. I don't remember how it eventually got retired. Thoroughly straight, 4 kids. I know it was because I missed my dad who was bearded and who had died. Today I may have been whipped off and surgically and hormonally butchered.
Im the exact opposite. Grew up a giant tomboy. Played in the dirt, did mixed martial arts, hated dresses and anything remotely girly, only played eith the boys, ect. But I'm absolutely straight as an arrow and while im still a tomboy i wear makeup and evem dresses occasionally. I woukd have been butchered and shot up with hormones to high hell if i grew up in todays time. I thank god everyday i grew up in the 90s
@@jessicadesrosiers7467I'm with you, good thing I had only boys, wouldn't know what to do with a girl😅😅
Good for you.
This is the problem with these queeny type gay guys they give a very specific stereotypical view of homosexuality that conforms to some peoples (seemingly ingrained) biases. But it's not their fault. At no point did they have the option of being in the closet.
Helen James. You are the voice of reason. I’ve been saying this for years. ❤
Who is this Helen James character? X
You mean Helen Joyce😮
@@dogsarebossshe has a PhD in maths. She wrote for the economist and one day her boss asked her why children kept coming home from school declaring they were trans. She went to write an article and discovered she was met with push back and that this was a subject no one would touch. She thinks the trans movement is a linguistic one. She wrote a book because of the trauma of de-transitioner’s called “Trans: when ideology meets reality.” (#2 in gender and the law on Amazon). She lectures everywhere. She states that the medical profession is sterilizing gay kids, and or women who are undiagnosed with other mental health conditions such as anxiety/depression and even autism. We don’t have any data or research to show that transitioning children is the way to go. “Biological sex is no longer accepted as a basic fact of life. It is forbidden to admit that female people sometimes need protection and privacy from male ones.” H. Joyce
@@TheNesbittExperience crikey! You could have saved yourself some time there, if you'd read my comment properly. X
@@dogsareboss who is Helen James? I’m missing something here. You meant Helen Joyce, no?
"PUBERTY TAUGHT THEM WHO THEY WERE".
One of the saddest things I have seen on TH-cam is a man who because he was an effeminate boy was transitioned to a girl and now an adult has detransioned back to male. He said bitterly "So now I am a gay man without a penis."
That’s so sad
Also, prominent mothers of gnc little boys have openly said they set their sons on this path of medical harm because they and/or their husbands refused to accept their sons may be gay. (Jeanette Jennings and Susie Greene for example.)
Wow, then you really must hate your kid to do a thing like that.
Kai Shapley's parents were fundamentalist "christians" who decided their less-than-3yr old boy "might be gay. And that could not happen. That would NOT happen." They googled conversion therapy and beat him when he played with the "wrong" toys. When that didn't make him less effeminate, they transed him, starred in a documentary, now cart him around to be the pure sweet young face of pediatric gender affirming "care." He's been medicalized now. Likely permanently sterile & anorgasmic. For life.
I hate people like his parents. I never say I hate people, but I HATE those monsters and all like them.
I know trans people who were "straight", and then when they transitioned, they stayed attracted to the same sex as before. Essentially becoming gay after transitioning. No, not everyone who identifies as trans does so just to date the opposite gender. We wouldnt see MORE trans people in a time where you can be accepted as being gay way more easily than being trans and you can legally get married and all that. Most people don't. It's still WAY easier to date as a gay identity than as a trans one. Yes, there is a correlation to people who are same sex attracted and people who want to transition or don't identify with gendered labeling, but there's also environmental and cultural factors to consider. Someone who has been able to question their identity compared to social standards is more likely to be able to do that in other facets of their life as well, and stop trying to fit in with the expectations of others around them.
Well I was gender conforming as a kid and now I'm trans and bi so what if that fools
Basic common sense, insane that people try to cancel you for it these days
Gender nonconformity and gender dysphoria are not the same however
Children experiencing puberty also report, almost unanimously, feeling awkward and self-conscious about their changing bodies and not only how they viewed themselves, but how others viewed them through this stage as well. Without any outside interference, meaning other people including adults, pushing the idea of gender non conformence during this stage of development, most of the children went on to live happy lives in traditional gender roles.
Of course because if they haven't had Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs met as they grow up & they're not in safe place or they've been taken advantage of they can't form a whole organic personality because of how much is grounded in trauma & confusion & now professionals aren't even allowed to explain that.
Yeh, we've gone backwards
This is kind of my case. I am a man who played "fem" games with girls. Teachers told mom I was gay since I was very young. I turned out to be attracted to men... But my crisis of sex orientation (due to religious ideology) also brought me the strong feeling of not being a man or being closer to women without really feeling a woman. Ten years later I accepted I can be a man and that I still can wear and behave however I like and identify as a cisgender man. I would never think that my conclusion about my identity has to be the same for everyone. Now, my sister had a similar story, but she is 100% straight. She simply liked "boyish" games. I am still gender non-conforming in many ways and I don't stand sexism. Whoever thinks that this video or my story is a reason to discourage trans-affirming care for kids is not understanding what this care means. No one has actually promoted surgeries for trans-kids. Let's avoid taking this data as a justification for bullying trans and gender non-conforming people and sabotaging policies to ensure their wellbeing. Ironically, if we were not so sexist and homophobic, I think, we would have fewer people thinking that they're transgender merely due to their sex orientation. If you think that people detransitioning is a huge problem, in the first place you should recognize it is a mess created by sexism and homophobia, and transphobia is by no means the way to fix it. At the end, whatever people decide with their lifes, let's not bully each other. Trans kids are REAL and deserve respect and love. I don't have the right to question your identity based on my identity.
This is obvious to anyone who has passed through childhood and had enough friends to see the pattern. One of my best friends was a tom boy, short hair, dressed like a boy, loved football and climbing, highly competitive with the boys, preferred msle company as a kid. Came put as gay when she grew up. If she grew up now I wonder how quickly she would be put in a trans box.
Short answer: No, she'd still be lesbian.
@@twiztedsynz missed the point there
@@merocaine Let's see.
Grew up tom boy, came out as lesbian when adult.
Wonders if they grew up now if she'd be put into the trans box.
Being a tom boy does not make one trans, never has.
So...
Answer: no, because she's lesbian, not Trans.
@@twiztedsynz totally missed the point. Of course she was a lesbian, what I said is if she grew up now, because she liked boys toys and clothes as a child, would dumb ass adults assume she was trans and push her in that direction. It happens now already, see some of the testimony of women who detransitioned as adults, re tavistock clinic.
@@merocaine
Again, no, she would still be a Lesbian.
She was not, and never was, Trans.
Not all doctors or places are like Tavistock which was complicated and messy AF. PROPERLY done, a kid who is experiencing possible dysphoria or other gender issues, will see a psychologist and therapist on top of a family doctor, and they will work together to figure out if the kid is just going through that "tom boy" phase, or if they truly are Trans.
Just because Tavistock was a trash place, doesn't mean all gender focused help centres are trash as well.
So yes, your friend could go to a place and still be seen as "just" a lesbian.
Love Helen Joyce. Brilliant, pragmatic lady.
This is so important!!
I was one of those kids who was fairly non-conforming as a young boy in the early 80’s - loved dolls, women’s shoes, vacuum cleaners, all my friends were girls, I loved Kylie and Madonna. There was even a brief period, before puberty and therefore with no understanding of sexual attraction - where I thought I must be a girl because I was interested in boys - I’m so glad I didn’t grow up recently otherwise I’d have been castrated and stuck in a maxi-dress.
Who’d o’thunk it ✨ Thankyou Helen 👍🏼
I'm straight and I was a tom boy through and through
But I LOVED dressing up for proms and balls and fancy girly things.
I'll play in the dirt and on the same day dress up for an event as simple as dinner. Which I may do tonight for my husband😂
Let kids be kids and figure out that stuff when they are done growing COMPLETELY
The average age for a brain to mature fully in a woman is around 23-24 year old, for men, I believe its 25-26. Just let them grow up
I think their choices during puberty informed, and determined, their sexuality. That doesn't strike me as a difficult concept to understand, like rocket science would be for the vast majority of us. It's just common sense!
We’ll finally someone making sense
I love countertenors (men who sing in the soprano range) and male ballet dancers. Trust me, there are plenty of straight men in those professions
Where have all the adults gone? We're any ever here? I looked at adults like I wanted to be one. Well then I became an adult. I've been looking many yrs. But I don't think I've met any adults.
ive been attracted to women my entire life especially growing up as a child
Stupid question but you're dude right
I was definitely a tomboy. But I didn't want to be a boy. My interests just fell in the boy category.
When I was growing up there were about fifty kids in _The Neighborhood_ (six streets semi connected together in the suburbs) between 5-18 when I was about 10. Of those 50 there was about a 50/50 split between boys and girls, of the 25 girls there were 5 you would consider Tom-Boys. Of those 5 Tom-boys 4 grew up to become mothers, 3 were married to men, 1 was a perpetual divorcee (I think she got married to about five men over the years) and one grew up to be gay~ 3 of the non- Tom-boys were also gay. None of those 50 kids became trans.
boys who like ballet end up surrounded by the cutest girls, they are the opposite of gay.
cap
This is such bullshit comment. Being surrounded by women does not make you straight 🥴
I have been saying this from the very beginning!
I was a tomboy and still have problems with being feminine because I am hyperactive and aggressive but I am definitely not a lesbian...
I remember when venom and PayPal froze and closed the accounts of a group called "Gays against Grooming". There are many gay people that are getting a bad rap because of all the other ones who want to push it on our kids.
So you're okay with perpetuating the sludge that used to be gays just a few years ago, only now it's trans people?
Good little doggies got yours, now screw everyone else, huh?
Quiet you're not allowed to say facts 🙊
Now, she makes sense,..
Another comment on this one.
She might be right
about puberty teaching people who they are
- in the end. But during puberty, you feel even less
clear on who you are than before conception.
It is a bit like going through a mental spin cycle.
Or circling a roundabout in Autobahn speed.
You do not know while your in it which road
you will be on when you finally leave the roundabout.
I apologise for being so negative about puberty.
It is something we all need to go through.
(I am not very positive about death either,
and we will have to go through that as well.)
But to me, it was not a very positive experience.
It was necessary, I can see that, but not pleasant
while it lasted.
People forget that it became popular to mutilate yourself before, going so far as to remove limbs because they "felt like it".
Do what you want, but don't push it like it's sane.
Surely, 'gender non-conformity' means that a person would not think of themselves as fitting the stereotypes for their gender. It seems too great a leap to make to then say that 'gender non-conformist' thoughts means that someone would view themselves as members of the opposite sex.
It would seem logical that homosexual children go through 'realisations' about their orientation, while still identifying with their biological sex.
Also, dont tell your kids that being gay is an option. Tell them that men marry women and that thats whtas normal. As for the other people, they are a minority and its not the norm. I was a tomboy, but my parents taught me gay was wrong and i grew up straight. Thhey also forced me to wear dresses to church and i hated it but i got used to it and now i like dresses but only wear them when going out. Dont give kids too much info. Make it simple.
Everybody knows this already. Trans kids and adults still exists and still need support
Puberty teaching us.... who would have thought... not... people act as if this is new.
Puberty taught them who they were - couldn't have put it better! I was the biggest tom boy out when younger and only really had male friends - Until about 12, then I made friends with a pack of girls and suddenly really fancied some of the boys in my school. Now 36, a mother, could not be more conformist in my views on what makes a man attractive and have mostly female friends. BUT if I had been 8 today I probably would have been transitioned. Terrifying
No, you wouldn't have been transitioned.
And what about those of us who "used to be the biggest tom boy out there" and did NOT turn out to be some sort of stereotypical woman? You know, the mom, the dresses, the make up, the blah, blah, blah? What if at puberty, I was "taught" that I like both boys and girls, that there are days I feel less feminine and more masculine?
In today's society, that doesn't matter either because people will still deny that it's legitimate to be like that.
Oh dear. A product of this generations terrible ideology. I think you think you have not been 'taught' and trust me you have - You have breathed in an ideology that tells you that it is a crisis to be a women that feels 'more masculine than feminine' (whatever that actually means - as these ideas in your mind come from your own set of stereotypes in relation to these two words, yet ironically you pat yourself on the back and believe you are existing free from stereotypes.) It is not a crisis. @@twiztedsynz
I suffered through the whole video. This is the thinking that ... This is what comes out of the north end of a south bound bull.
Ad hominid
Needs to be much more from UK etc., that have been through this.
🥰✊Helen Joyce is a Godsend…. Wrapped in irony as I do believe she’s atheist 🛐😂
Sure, puberty taught them what they were, and if puberty taught them that they were trans, or gender fluid, or ace, or what have you? What does that say?
Common sense!!!
"Gender non confoming" is a subjective opinion not a science based category.
But almost everyone can understand what it means.
Apparently everyone knows what gender-conforming behavior is, except you.
@@littlecatfeet9064 What is it then? We are talking about pre pubertal children.
Because it deals with society and not biology, yes. I’m not sure what your point is though.
@@casteretpollux Gender conforming behavior is a boy doing what boys typically do and girls doing what girls typically do. For example my little boy used to play in the sand pit with his trucks much more than my little girl did. She preferred playing with her Lego animals and building houses for them.
Tell these students to focus on their studies. Be whatever gender you want. Just remember the immigrants children are busy studying and working hard to get into the better schools.
You will be working for them if you do not settle down and focus on making a good life for yourself. Very competitive world. Wake up
Why would it be a bad thing to work for the son of an immigrant ? Odd thing to worry about
@@tracimetcalf3374 not really. Tired of immigrants taking over. Our parents worked hard for our children to have a good life.
Tired of immigrants just coming here and taking over. You must earn your place first.
Helen !
how is this not common sense?
wtf is gender nonconforming. what a weird word
It's behavior that strays from the generally expected norms for either gender, such as girls preferring boxing to barbies or boys preferring barbies to boxing. Clearly, those preferences are fine, but as HJ says, they point strongly to a likelihood of being same-sex attracted after puberty.
@@sosimple3585so they are anomaly freaks, so close to no relevance to humanity. This should be spoken about in the same amount as the minority of their existence
Both are sick
2 genders
She just loves saying 'gender nonconforming' soooooo much.
She used words related to gender in a discussion about gender? Shocking
Wow! Imagine someone talking about gender nonconformity and using the words “gender nonconforming”!
What are the odds?!?!?
@@terrypussypower Sorry if that went over your head.
So what?
@@trixietru It's an unscientific term. It is subjective not objective. What is normal? What is conforming? One short hair cut? A pair of docs ? Not wanginga Barbie ?
This woman is a notorious TERF 😔
According to trans activists, anyone who doesn't agree with any part of their agenda is a TERF. Which is 99.9% of the world population. Instead of succumbing to the information control tactics of slurring anyone who tells the truth about the cult, listen to what is said, not who said it.
You can’t call her that because she doesn’t identify as one.
Logically you can not change genders, you can say your gender fluid, or whatever ever gender specific, but your still male or female logically and because biology dictates gender. Not feelings, you can express whatever feelings you have about gender. But it’s still female and male, it’s biology, and it will be biology tomorrow. And the day after and the week after and the month and they year after ever-after, Dressing up in the opposite gender specific clothing is called transvestite, not transgender, You can’t change words meanings. Trans gender is a term someone started using because they didn’t like transvestite. But cha are Blanche, ya are,
Well, as a gender fluid person, I'm not changing biology. My biology is in part what makes me gender fluid. I know it's hard to grasp that for some people but... not my fault people limit themselves and understanding of what gender is.
@@twiztedsynz I address everyone “You ! You there! “
@@AdrianMunch which is... good for you I guess? Not sure how that specifically relates to the basis of your comment though...
@@twiztedsynz How about this then, Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, That means the rest came from Uranus.
@@AdrianMunch I'd laugh but that joke is so old and bigoted that it's not worth the effort.
How about this. Men are human. Women are human. What parts they have is no business of mine, yours, or anyone else.
Gay was always the most salient of sexual deviation. Affirming it allowed metastasis.
But society in the past has condemned them for being gay. Right yes some of them grow out of phases
And some dont. Society and its attitudes has a lot to do with it. The bigotry
The homophobic attitudes
People are different and society had to accept that much.
Homophobia is rampant -
She's not talking about being homosexual being a phase for these people back then, she's talking about the discomfort of these people being gay, thus developing gender dysphoria, so they can be "straight", however going through puberty/growing up allowed them to accept themselves as Gay, and their Gender Dysphoria went away. It's not about society being homophobic, its about internalized homophobia leading to gender dysphoria, which quite a lot of society now supports.
But also, she seems to be saying something about when sexuality/attraction and sexual expression develop. It seems to be that the cognitive part (awareness) doesn’t fully develop until puberty, thereby the feelings of anxiety cease.
Yes, she's saying that trans genderism is the new homophobia
That was then, this is now. Gay marriage is now legal and socially accepted except in highly religious communities.
Except that there are very low instances of those who want to de-transition.
I swear people only listen to her because she is confident, not because she is right
She's confident because she is right. WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Help, is the professional association for physicians involved in gender health, and propagates the policies and standards of care for the field. They formerly admitted that in most children, gender dysphoria will disappear before, or early in, puberty with their recommended studies demonstrating that up to 94% of children referred for gender dysphoria (77-94% in one set of studies and 73-88% in another) grow out of their gender dysphoria naturally. The bitter irony is that WPATH now pushes "gender affirming care" instead of advocating counseling for these kids.
@@GF-qb3uo yeah no
@@YoukilisTHSGEMB Willful ignorance doesn't serve one well in life. In the chance additional data might help, here's two studies.
1. One the largest and longest term studies on gender dysphoric youth found 87.8% desisted: Singh, et al. "A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder." Front Psychiatry. 29 Mar 2021.
2. The results of the world’s largest dataset on patients who have undergone sex-reassignment procedures demonstrated no advantage of surgery or hormonal interventions in relation to subsequent mood or anxiety disorder-related health care visits or prescriptions or hospitalizations following suicide attempts. ("Correction to Bränström and Pachankis." American Journal of Psychiatry. 1 Aug 2020). This study was initially touted by the authors and media to demonstrate the opposite regarding surgical interventions, but this conclusion was reversed, as shown in the correction ("Branstrom and Panchakis, "Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total Population Study." American Journal of Psychiatry. 4 Oct 2019 )
@@YoukilisTHSGEMBvery strong argument you have there. Amazing citations.
@@isaiahh3754 I could, but you wouldn't listen to them anyway
It's all in your head.
If we ignore sucides...
If anything, one can argue that the "trans" movement has increased teen suicides as the teen suicide rate nearly doubled between 2008 and 2018, a time period which encompasses the rise of the movement.
@@GF-qb3uo When I ignore reality you have a bigoted point.
@@bogella2225 I guess when you ignore reality, you can ignore that the suicide rate for gender nonconforming teens was lower when "gender affirming care" was not a thing. Nothing bigoted about it. It's data.
@@GF-qb3uo It is bigoted when you cherry pick data to feed your hate filled narrative.
For you reading who is concerned with the idea of children being "mutilated" id like to be honest with you.
Statistically, transpeople exist.
And contrary to her ideas, a majority of transwomen (born male) like women and vice versa for transmen.
There is more presence of lgb people when it comes to transpeople and that is very likely because its a lot more accepted in those circles
This is because most likely, gender expression and sexual preference isnt inherently bound.
Now ofcourse, children shouldnt be able to make this choice. And thats why we have puberty blockers.
You might know that they can cause bone deterioration and a slowing down in braindevelopment.
This is true. However, the effects of the bone deterioration only happens if the blockers are misused (used longer than intended) and braindevelopment isnt "slowed" its the same speed as before it just doesnt get the additional boost that it would get during puberty. Which it ofcourse gets back once the blockers are of and puberty insues.
Ideal situation is that they can use blockers until its been made sure by several different proffessionals that the child NEEDS the hormones or that the hormones would drastically increase the childs quality of life.
Or... until they are 18 and can choose themselves.
Transpeople do exist, historically aswell, in literally every culture, theres been precedent for people who wish to be the other gender or sex.
Now ill finish off by outing the gal up there, helen Joyce is a journalist, she covers only transissues and associates happily with jk rowling, rowling openly supports groups which out sensitive transpeople in the society, causing violence against them. Now even if you arent convinced we should let the kids be trans i trust you dont believe violence is good for anyone.
Consume this media with care, because though much lf it does seem born out of concern, much of it isnt. And if you find yourself being "cancelled" remember that its very difficult to discern concern from hatred.
Thank you for your time❤
Horrible. Don’t talk to her. Freedom is mass irresponsibility without repurcussion.
Horrible. Don’t talk to YOU! Freedom of speech and freedom of association are the bedrocks of civilisation. Anyone afraid of either has something to hide.
I hope this is satire.
@@deschloro what sexuality are you
@@deschlorohas to be
I call BS
hogwash
WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Help, is the professional association for physicians involved in gender health, and propagates the policies and standards of care for the field. They formerly admitted that in most children, gender dysphoria will disappear before, or early in, puberty with their recommended studies demonstrating that up to 94% of children referred for gender dysphoria (77-94% in one set of studies and 73-88% in another) grow out of their gender dysphoria naturally. The bitter irony is that WPATH now pushes "gender affirming care" instead of advocating counseling for these kids.
I don't see any conflict. You can be attracted to any gender and be any gender that makes you happy. Where's the conflict?
Most people aren't attracted to how someone is identifying but are attracted according to the person's sex. It's called sexual orientation not gender orientation for a reason.
@@zenbumblebee that's just not true. People who are attracted to women date trans women.
Sexual preference and gender expression are not related.
@@jlb7608 Sorry I don't want to make you look silly but that's not true. If someone has told you this then they are lying to you and/or themselves. There are people who are bisexual of course who aren't that bothered. However most people are attracted to someone's sex not gender. They maybe be initially attracted but once they realise the physical reality they lose attraction. That's a rare occurrence because most trans identifying people don't pass. For example, homosexual females and heterosexual males will only have intimate relations with females. It's not transphobic, it's just their orientation and that should be respected.
@@zenbumblebee you are misinformed.