Trans: Ideology Meets Reality - Parallax Views
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- What is the transgender movement?
Over the past several years, the issue of trans rights has seeped into all aspects of politics and academia. With this issue coming to the forefront of social debate, many wonder what is the trans movement and what impact could it have on civil liberties.
In this episode of Parallax Views, IEA Head of Cultural Affairs Marc Glendening sits down with activist and author Dr. Helen Joyce to discuss her new book, Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality, and what the future of the transgender movement could entail.
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What are your thoughts? Is this a religious-based system? How does this movement fit within a liberal society? Please let us know in the comments!
What is terrifying about the movement is that treats opposition as heresy. Anyone who disagrees with you is an evil non-person who deserves to die. This threatens to drag us back to the religious wars that slaughtered millions in Europe *during* the "Enlightenment". The bloodbath was ended by a "liberal settlement", but that settlement is now under serious threat from identity politics and identity political violence.
Very religious. Culty.
It doesn't fit in as it seeks to supercede society, destroy the rights of women, the safeguarding of children, the infiltration of law, health, retail, refuges, education, bathrooms, speech, parents rights etc., they can dress how they want within reason and call themselves what they want, the grc was a huge mistake because statistics can no longer be relied on due to conflated figures for crime. This has led to misgendering of men in particular so rapists and child abuser can self identify into womens prisons where they continue their rapes on women. Its gone to far and needs rowing back and defending immediately
I would like to ask her if there is a female equivalent to the powerful man who wishes to be considered a woman. A powerful woman who wishes to be considered a man.
It is and it does not fit in a liberal society because it is authoritarian in nature.
I would recommend reading "The Master and his Emissary - The divided brain and the making of Western society.".
Once read, it should be much clearer what the root of this ideology is.
My daughter was a 100% tomboy. Wore boy clothes, climbed trees, had really short hair and loved hanging with the boys. But it never occurred to me or her that she was therefore a lesbian or a boy trapped in a female body. She started getting interested in 'girl' things when her body changed. Placing labels on little kids because they dont fit societal adult categories is so dangerous and wrong. Leave the kids alone
Gender nonconforming is the only valid third category, and everyone can join the moment they choose for themselves how to dress or act. But defining a fixed “gender identity” is a recipe for child abuse, when it lies that sex can change and medicalizing yourself for life is the perfect opposite of “accepting yourself”. It is the same weakness hypermasculine, hyperfeminine expressions that demand body augmentations of cosmetic surgery to conform to an external ideal. So destructive.
I wouldn't mind betting that more tomboy's will go under the bus in this Alice in Wonderland Through The Looking-glass moment in time.
I have to tell you that most straight men think tomboy girls are just fine by us. Keep your Playboy Kardashian women. Hike, surf, wrestle with the dog, borrow my jeans, bicycle race me home. That's a mate!
It just blows me away. Have to be 18 to get a tattoo, but a gun, join the military. Now 21 for booze and cigarettes and now weed. But at the age of 10 it's somehow "empowered" to mutilate your body and take huge amounts of drugs and hormones to try to be something your not. It's mmmm INSANE!!!!!
I agree. Children should be allowed to be just that, children!! The liberal media doesn't discuss the number of teens that had physical changes made that now feel they've made a huge mistake and regret it. But the transition back is even more difficult.. There should be age restrictions put on these surgeries and maybe years of psychological therapy required before any changes can be made... jmo..
I never liked how because I was a tomboy people automatically tried to push me into being a lesbian. Assuming because I was masculine I must like girls was not ok. But now if you are a tomboy you now must be trans. It's called having a personality.
Transgender people have the same brain structures of the gender they identify as. It's been proven with brain scans.
@@smokexsmoke99 if that is an accurate way to determine transgenderism why don't they require brain scans for people who are wanting surgery? Wouldn't there be less detrans if that was the method of determining who got surgery or could legally change their paperwork? Those scan are interesting but there are many variables and numbers not addressed or extensively studied. It is not reliable in my opinion.
I'm same as you, was a tomboy in the 90s. Lots of girls were. Grew up and im hetero despite everyone telling me i was probably a lesbian and now I love girly things like bathbombs and pink and dresses. It was just me being my authentic self. Had I grown up in this decade I probably would have been convinced into a masectomy.
You will fit into these new boxes the way we want you to! Submit!
Fun fact because I find this fascinating: there’s modern forensic science techniques specifically for identifying gnc and trans individuals from heavily decomposed or skeletonized remains, since not recognizing those factors makes identifying a victim extremely difficult. Though the most obvious signs are considered facial reconstruction surgery, if someone’s been taking hormones long enough their muscle structure changes, which shows up on their bones! And, speaking from an archeological perspective, though we can no longer ask them who they where or how they identified, remains have been found that did not present as their assigned gender. Furthermore, sex traits on skeletons, especially the skull, can sometimes get extremely fiddly! Even a cis skull, modern or ancient can be misidentified.
It’s also good to note that identifying gender by bones isn’t entirely accurate. Especially in the skeletons of children and teenagers as sexually dimorphic traits are less prominent.
There is no debate possible. The argument is just idiocy. It is inconceivable that we are even having this conversation. When it is so blatantly ridiculous.
Thank you!! People are actually devolving from medical and psych history of absolute truths!!!
That's correct. Only a handful of people really understand this and that's because we're living it. The rest of humanity including even our doctors are merely bystanders and can only report what we tell them. That's why people who aren't our doctors are invited to leave the discussion now.
I am a Millennial.... I grew up in a big city... went to a massive school... and not a single kid had dysphoria. Even as adults, no one I grew up with has dysphoria. Out of the 2k+ kids that went to my school, only 4 turned out to be gay. Which was the big foo-pah at that time. Some girls were tom boys. Funny how social media changed all that in the last decade. I constantly see kids now being trans or non-binary. If it was just a symptom of, "having to hide it," then many people I know should be trans or non-binary today. Honestly, to me, this is a government and institution sanctioned social media fad. This seems like it stems from fads like being Emo or Goth.
Just because you know of ‘only 4’ who turned out to be gay doesn’t mean some others might be in the closet and anyway what gives you the right to make the assumption that ‘only 4’ means anything at all? Gay people exist get over it. We ain’t going anyway btw and if you don’t like that I couldn’t give a damn
how is dysphoria a fad when there is scientific literature on it from over 100 years ago lmao + trans history spanning back further than that
Extremely astute observation and as a fellow Millennial, my experience too.
Agreed, I've been making the case that genderfluidity is the new youth counter-culture. It follows the same template as the punks, goths, hippies, emo etc. It encourages outward external expression as a form of rebellion pushing back against the wider norms or 'the man' which translated into today's terminology is the 'hetero-patriarchy'. Only this time the studded belts and the flare pants are forever, and the trans-affirming surgeons swooped in to fill the gap in the market.
@@ArtEveryday-mm1cg It's insanity lol. But you are 100% correct.
I worked with a trans woman about 5yrs ago. This person was extremely creepy and made women uncomfortable with his behavior before transitioning. He left and returned as a trans woman basically long hair and womens clothes. He started using the women's bathroom the first day and so many of them came to me as a member of management and complained. He would go into the bathroom when the most women were in there and stare at them. He constantly complained about having period pain and needed to go home. He said his thinning hair was caused by menopause. If thats not mental illness idk what is
I will never use public toilets again. I met a trans in one when I was 16 and in there alone with him and I was petrified. I'm now 60 and had forgotten all that but now it's a possibility all over again. Horrifying and scary as hell. I have nothing against genuine trans but there are 2 many perverts who will use trans to gain access to female intimate spaces. Irish prison has 2 trans men in the women's prison and both are sex offenders.. one has raped 2 women in his past and thwy arw held in an Irish female prison.
Sounds like an autogynophile, not someone suffering from gender dysphoria.
Women and girls have no way of knowing whether the bloke in the dress is a physical threat to them.
Is your name a reference to Alexander Helios? Oldest son of Cleopatra (VII, aka the famous one) and Marcus Antonius?
Why even? We know nothing of his life after his mother canceled herself. Ceasarian was canceled by Octavian under the advice of a Stoic philosopher. He also canceled Antony's oldest son from Flavia which he had designated his heir.
Twin sister of Alexander Helios, Cleopatra Selene II was married to a north African king and Octavian promised to spare her brothers as a favor to her. But we don't know what happened to Helios or his younger bro Ptolemy Philadelphus
I've never done any of that; that's terrible.
if a person's happiness, depends on the participation of everyone else in their delusion, its going to be a problem.
"Does my bum look big in this dress?"
@@OrwellsHousecat Yes, yes it does.
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That nails it.
In order to have a harmonious relationship with women, it’s essential that you participate in the principle one, being that you accept them as adults, whilst forgiving their childishness.
@@bretbuckley704 Right. No one cares what their gender is until they force us to participate in their madness. I refuse to do so. Keep your perversions in the closet or bedroom or where ever makes you happy as long as it's not in my face or requiring my affirmation.
When facts and truth are hate speech, debate is pointless.
Always with the knee jerk bigotry accusation.
"We're gods stuck in meat suits", priceless. I love Helen and her thorough and informative way of describing human anatomy.
"HATE SPEECH" => turns out to be simply speaking the Truth
Like saying white ppl should have safe spaces ?
Yes that is the way it's going.
And Liberal PC doesn't help
I'll have to stop there incase someone gets upset.
The folks who have appraoched me personally to bother me about this were all in the middle of committing a criminal assault against me. A s*xual assault at that. None of them had a legitimate grievance with me. one was supposed to be my rideshare driver but was instead trying to apparently kidnap me and realized I was the wrong plumbing and got mad. i had to jump out of his car because he wouldn't stop and let me out and wouldn't stop at my destination. My neighbor tried inviting himself into my apartment for a 'music lesson' over and over again until he got drunk and tried to kick the door in.
Again, capital folks. The 'best' people.
I’ve said it before in other messages.
This Woman is borderline genius, she has a phd in maths, she’s had a distinguished career at the Economist,written a well received and best selling book and as a Woman has given birth to two children.
She should be being praised and lauded to the rafters for her achievements not being harassed and cancelled by free speech hating wokists.
It’s impressive what she’s accomplished. Also, her ideological commitments lead to the outcome she’s fighting against.
It doesn't matter how many time you say it; the frequency of your messaging does not confer validity upon it.
Having a maths PhD and being a journalist with a bestselling book hardly makes one a genius, or a "borderline genius," for that matter. Neither does having given birth to any number of children.
A necessary condition of the free speech you implicitly extol is that free public speech is subject to fierce public criticism. You can apply a faddish label like "woke" to the people with whom you disagree, but that doesn't mean you're not a hypocrite.
@@hughmac13 shutting down free speech is not the same as free speech Hugh. They can’t answer her arguments because their ideology is not based in reality, and so all they have is trying to get her to shut up. They want conformity, not truth.
@@hughmac13 nothing hypocritical about it. This is part of the ideology for these people; they are trying to extinguish the opposing voices, rather than answer them.
It is not hypocritical to call that out while being in favor of true free speech. These people don’t play by the rules of true liberalism.
@@hughmac13 you think the woke are just disagreeing with her so she's a hypocrite for complaining. fascinating
This lady is hitting every point you can think of. Bravo Sis!
Ferocious intellect.
Perhaps so, though she wears a very telling sneer.
Poor woman had obviously been hurt, as so many are.
Seems she thinks she must respond in kind to protect others from her past trauma.
Yet her generation also despairs as we coat society in bubble wrap.
In a free society, atrocities will (&arguably must) always be possible but must absolutely never tolerated.
Unfortunately, one can't prevent these things from happening, not without undue sacrifice.
As with so many around these topics; trauma seems to be overriding sense & empathy.
Hey sup, for like 10 years before the "terf movement" became mainstream, women like this speaker called me a bigot, a racist, a misgynist and worse for saying the exact same shit. Just because it's starting to actually affect you in real life now doesn't mean that this trans shit isn't a consequence of the same interesectional feminism that these speakers promoted for yeaaars. YEAAAAAAAARS.
I was trans between the age of 4-7. I announced it. I hated dresses, "girl toys and games" etc. My parents just ignored it. I grew out of it. I love being female in every way. I can't relate to the psychology of males. Thank God I wasn't born in 2023. Thank you Helen. 35:20
No, you were not.
... and?
You were not 'trans' you were just a child growing up. Many kids who are so-called sex-nonconforming grow up to be LGB. Now those kids are being told they were 'born wrong' and need to be 'fixed' (transitioned); it is profound abuse.
@@williamwaugh8670that’s what she meant
I was trans between 9-13. Good to know there are others out there who also went through this BS as a young kid and grew out of it.
"We don't feel like we're animals, we feel like we're gods" Truer words were never spoken.
Only other people are animals.
She has no authority to speak for others. She has no idea how I feel about my status. Or you. A logical fallacy is more a lie than truth.
@@monikacognomen1096 only children should believe they are unique. Adults should know better. We all know that we are the result of our experiences. We also recognize our arrogance as youth.
@@monikacognomen1096 you’ll truly grow up when you realize that how you feel about your status doesn’t matter.
How you feel, period, doesn’t matter. It’s all in your head. It has zero empirical basis in reality - just like transgenderism! - so feel however you want, but feelings aren’t reality.
If you understood the word 'gods' and delineated it from the word 'God' which you are referring to here, then you would not have said that.
Many people are like gods. But none are like God.
I absolutely adore this woman! A voice of clear, calm reason amidst the ridiculousness.
Same. She's incredible.
She has brought 🧾 receipts to this subject without any insulting language, just common sense ,thank you
I'm in agreement with you.
Great thoughts but an underlying feminist ideology. “Women are as a good as a man” what does that mean; not in the physical realm, not in the management realm. Women are equal but different
Yep me too. She speaks so intelligently & coherently about this issue. Her book is essential reading for everyone.
'l am a woman' because l've decided l am, is akin to quite basic magic... magical thinking.
In my head its pretty clear - people are conflating behaviour with identity. If you want to behave like a cat, fine. But you're not a cat. This applies to sex, race, age, height and all the other immutable physical qualities of identity.
That’s very bright. I’ve not heard anyone state that before but now that you say it, that is a very concise way of putting it.
This! But I also think it’s extends to image too. Or desired image.
In my experience a major reason for this surge in transgender ideology is the burning need for those who feel weak to assert power and dominance over others. If I can freely harass you, bully you, and demand you suffer legal consequences for accepting something that is totally antithetical to common sense, all while crying that YOU are the bully and I am the victim, I have asserted power over you.
100%... they are narcissists and, for lack of a better word, the losers.
The people behind the gender ideology are not weak. There's all sorts of weak people in the world and the reason why you won't have the police knocking on your door after you twitted something about them is precisely this - they're weak. The transgender lobby is anything but weak.
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Well fucking said this comment need to be pinned
Yup. Narcissists.
Listening to Helen is like drinking from the purest water in a desert when you are dying of thirst. She is so clear, so insightful, so interesting and also funny that I could listen to her for hours and never get tired. What a pity people like Helen don't get into positions of real power and that instead it's the slime of the world that rises to the top and makes the decisions for the rest of us.
I believe she has an audio version of her book narrated by her good self!
So well put!!
Exactly!
Exactly!
Exactly!
Bravo to Kelli-Jay, Kathleen, and Helen for standing up for women. As the father of two young women this is important to me. Very sad we don't have women like y'all here in the states. Must be an island thing.
Here I am. I'm in the States, but what a time of it I have. Other Americans seem to think this issue is unimportant, or that these lads just want places where they can feel safe. It infuriates me.
Sadly, I think Americans take things for granted and bury their heads in the sand--though, strangely enough, they've seen that that does not work.The problem will only get worse each and every time you do that--then, much worse! When something starts to get too negatively out of the norm, they ignore it and hope it goes away(like chjIbren often do)! Adults will not even picket for their chjIbren when obviously they should have done that long ago(once the gov't began to take stronger chjIb trannes stances under Obumma). And, even in the rare instances they do, there is no follow through whatsoever from the group! If their political enemy does something, this enrages them for a little while(but this feeling assimilates into depression or nothingness rather than meaningful action)* and they'll let the political party they affiliate with destroy them and their chjIbren! They are very apathetic when it is time to correctly act, but complain and blame later when it's too late to act! Well, part of that blame lies with American citizens that allowed doors(that should have been under vault lock and vigilant watch) to be kicked down without a fight!
Things like
Thorough elgeebeeteecue influencing and indoctrination of chjIbren. Even having their own political stubborness used against them so that they help the gov't(when liberal) brainwash their chjIbren or worse.
Aborshun or the kjIIing of baybees! Head in the sand while this became legal many decdes ago?!
Flooding of immigrants: Again, once this became a issue, this should have been heavily protested and continued until it was a nonissue. Americans did not do that, though Because, this will greatly sap resources meant for tax-paying citizens that have been paying taxes loyally for a long time and their families that have every right to be here and these immigrants have free rights that adult citizens had to pay for!, And, whenever this happens, criminals(violent and gangster) and/or religious zealots will be in the mix as well. Religious zealots sometimes believe that they should FORCE their religion on you at all costs! Gangsters sometimes recruit people in this same kind of way.
Gnn restriction began as gnn control: Please tell me what can happen to your citizens when your gov't and criminals have unrestricted access to any gnns they want and body armor and the citizens either are hampered with gnn control or gnn restriction?! Well, your women and chjIbren can get rayped or trafficked without recourse(as labor slaeves, too), your men can be used as labor slaves(and/or gaye sex slaeves without recourse), stealing would become an hourly possibility(because they know you cannot stop them), your land can be stolen or taken from you without recourse, a political traitor can lead your nation into an invasion, a dictatirship or plutocracy is easiest to setup when they know the people cannot fight back, vackxes and implants can be forced upon you by a political zealot, freedoms could be at 0, the gov't might decide to release the criminals from prison in a sweeping act, evil leaders and gangsters might enter into a peace treaty to work together(they no longer have to care about what you think anymore), the electrical grid goes down(now people are on their own to protect what they have from theft constantly and they'd need to hunt for survival as well), etc. Listen, gnn control/restriction will not cause violence to decrease, but it will cause it to greatly increase at a ripe time in the future. This ripeness is indeterminable, as to when, but evil leaders and criminals make this outcome inevitable if a nation goes down this road! Consider it being peaceful in this kind of society as the eye of hurricane! Things will get chaotic; it's just a matter of when...AND, IF AMERICA IS NOT CAREFUL, THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW LIBERALS TO TAKE THEM TO THE PRECIPICE OF A CLIFF TO FALL RIGHT OFF! ONCE GnNS BECOME USELESS TO YOU, YOU'LL GET MOWED DOWN LIKE GRASS...
*For example, citizens will sometimes rally around a cause. However, a little time will weaken that and cause that fire to smother out.
@@ny3683syrThe states have gone far more down into this rabbithole than any other country, and strangely enough, there doesnt seem to be figures like Helen, that would be vocal like this about this issue. Sure people like that Swimmer girl Riley are doing great, tryin to protect specific laws that have protected women but over there you have far more people who are ether supporting this or just staying silent and letting things go to catastrofic from worse. Canada and maybe Australia are the two places that are closest to US in this, but looking from the outside, it looks like the whole of US have gone mad. Youre freedom of speech has already been taken away, and people over these doesnt even realise that. Thats bad, like really bad..
There is young Chloe Cole.
Lmao, you have women like this everywhere in the world. Tons of women think like this but can't afford to be harrassed, physically attacked or have their reputations tarnished by crazy men and their handmaidens.
When I was young, I too didn't fit the gender stereotype. I didn't like dresses or playing with dolls, and I definitely didn't want babies. Still childless, by the way. Especially, my way of communicating was considered too aggressive, meaning too masculine. Despite having a very feminine figure and appearance otherwise, I was often confronted with people calling me not being ladylike and 'a lady doesn't do that' was the bane of my youth. At around 14 I realized I was bisexual. I even thought I was a lesbian for a while. I'm still very attracted to the female body. The teasing became worse. But I will never forget the day my mom took me aside and said: “those people are wrong! There is nothing wrong with you. You are a good girl, and you don't have to wear dresses or have babies if you don't want to. If you bring home a girl, that's fine with me, and your father loves you, he might be a bit confused now, but he'll come around if that's what you want. Being a woman is something you can't do wrong. It's just what you are. It doesn't change if others think you're not woman enough. What a woman wears is woman's clothes, what a man wears are men's clothes. When your brother was to wear dresses, they'd be men's clothes because he's a man, and if you wear his shirt, that's a woman's shirt because you are a woman.” And it burned itself into my mind because it made me feel so relieved. I felt loved as I am, I felt right, and I felt empowered against people who tried to pressure me into gender stereotypes. And today, people use the same stereotypes that hurt me so much to define who is and isn't a real woman. It's insane. Sex is not your identity, it doesn't define who you are. It is just what you are.
this is great btw ty for sharing ur story, also would u say u had gender dysphoria aka hated ur body and puberty?
Great woman. She has the backbone we need right now (so she'll be silenced on the mainstream).
the algorithms have her back though. As soon as I started researching this she was recommended to me.
Exactly 💯
@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz to disease.
I am happy there are women like her who speak up. Mass gaslighting needs to stop. We have to say it if the emperor has no clothes.
First off feminists are the queens of gas lighting... and second if you follow her ideals... feminist ideals... men are evil and should be eradicated. Second if this is religion based... why are Christians notbpart of this debate? By factual definition god is a fictional character in a really old book... most all our laws are based out of this book...so if we tear apart the trans people like they are animals... should do the same to any form of government based on this fiction. Second you are just scared of loosing your special privileges... you know can marry and then take half of his things... sounds like abgood gig to me. Ever heard of equal rights? Do you even know what equal means? Cause men havebthe fewest rights to anything... which is not equal at all. Last this lady has a twisted feminist view which is also a religon and just wants it her way... cause women get their way... in court in just about everything. Time to share your special privileges... ya.
its like the gender equivalent of "the world is flat" society has taken over.
@@ktwashere5637
Yep one of my kids identifies as "Non binary" and the other has a Trans" Girlfriend" (shes a nice lad.) I'm of an age where there were Straight people, Gay people, Transexuals and Transvestites. With the later being classed as sexual devients Or perverted. If you are dressing in womens clothes because you like it, or for sexual gratification then it's a fetish.
Can you define what is gaslighting about the topic?
@@narcissistwhisperer Well as the definition of Gaslighting is "psychological manipulation"
So I'd say attempting to tell you that someone can be the opposite sex to that which they were born because they think or say they are. And that you are then some kind of arsehole for questioning or denying them that fact sounds to me like "psychological manipulation"
Helen Joyce is brilliant! Thank you very much indeed for having her on...
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I’ve tried to listen transactivists and unfortunately there is so much irrationality and ideology in their arguments, that it took me ages to understand what they mean by sex and why biology is so ambiguous that it doesn’t actually even matter. And Helen explains this in seconds.
It is such a relief to hear Helen and realize there still is clarity and intellectuality in this world. It makes me sad Judith Butler herself lives so deep in her costructions that every trans-critical argument is biological essentialism. How can there ever be any meaningful conversation with them
It is mindblowing how this happened so fast. The damn gender studies faculties?
Helen Joyce is an extremely articulate and intelligent person. Her book ‘Trans’ is absolutely superb. It is well researched, well argued and very well written.
I'm sure it is. However, I have to say, as a dyslexic person looking for a book about trains, I was very disappointed.
@@465marko Ahhhhhhhh, you're the dyslexic devil-worshipper who sold his soul to Santa.
I just listened to Helen Joyce the other day. Interesting and well spoken. the other day. She somehow grasped a bit of common sense and logic as it floated by her! PARENTS just remember there are many things you need to teach your child. Reasoning, logic, compassion, finances, making their beds, clean their house, pay their bills
I'd love to know which sex-based rights she thinks men have.
It's hilarious to see feminism eating itself. The trans shit is insane, but it's beautiful how it's triggering all the other anointed victim groups, especially women and feminists. How can men "identifying" as women matter if men and women are equal? Or is it that women have a whole heap of sex-based privileges that men do not have which are being exposed and threatened? And why is the focus exclusively on men becoming women and not women becoming men? Because men have already had all their privileges handed to women and all their male spaces invaded by women?
@@465marko lmao
Great to hear one of my countrywomen standing up for rational thought. It has been so dissapointing to see so many women who consider themselves feminist succumbing to the tyranny of ideology.
They were never feminist
@@friedchicken4735 I fully agree. They never were. Couldn’t possibly be.
How has Ireland gone from a religious conservatism to a more progressive view? Over what period of time. Apologies for any inaccurate assumptions.
@@ilcuzzo12 Over years of women and some good men fighting to remove the power of a corrupt institution. When I personally was 10 in 1961 I could see how perverted their thinking was but it took the revelations of child abuse to turn the tide against them.
Fair. But a rejection of pedophilia and oppression leads to the current socio-cultural value set? Is there a sense that the average person supports Helen's views?
At around 5:00 she brings up an important point: Most people can't even imagine self id and if you manage to explain it to them, they generally insist that it can't be true. When eventually they notice that it's happening, they panic, go crazy for a couple days and then forget about it. And there is a simple explanation for this: If people don't understand something, they default to ignoring it, so insane legislature passes more easily than sane one does.
Graham Linehan, Helen Staniland and Arty Morty have made this point several times on their podcast. One of the biggest challenges those who seek to defeat trans/gender identity ideology face is convincing people that all the terrible things that have been done in the name of it have actually been done in the name of it.
People naively assume that if State-sanctioned sterilisation of gay and autistic children was happening, they would know about it, because it would be front-page news. They cannot fathom newspapers and media outlets omitting to inform the public that the most dangerous male sex offenders are housed in women's prisons; that in California, female prisoners are having to share cells with men and that condoms are being distributed to curb the growing birth-rates within women's prisons. They could never imagine that in the 21st century, in the Wear, women would be interviewed by police for stating basic biological fact.
This is the stuff of fiction. It is positively Orwellian. That's why people struggle so much to believe it - they expect to find this stuff in works of fiction, not in their own reality.
And when they finally grasp that it really is happening, they turn away or bury their head in the sand, because it's too awful for them to look at.
I cannot imagine being such a cowardly fool. I don't know how I would live with myself.
People’s understanding of the world is shaped by the world around them. You can’t say something isn’t legit because some people say so. People used to think earth is the center of the universe
@@randeloritherebel6341 is this supposed to be a response to me post?
@@freyja802 yes what do you think
"Going along with is not what they want...". Interesting statement and very true.
"They" had better pretty quickly accustom themselves to the reality or that which is and cannot be different that "they" cannot always hacw what they want and find themselves in the position of thescholboy who asked by his master whether he wanted what was in the bowl indicated to be compulsory or the bowl indicated to contain the voluntary who said: "If it please you sir, I would like some of the voluntary not liking the look of the compulsory"
It is only that queer religion modernism(so called because it is fashionable) that would tolerate filthy anti-natural perversions such as sewerism or homosexuality and trannsexuality, although given the modernist insistence on gender perhaps sewerism had better be called homogenerality.
The sooner that quueer religion modernism is eradicated or goes out of fashion the better, whereafter practice at the criminal Bar would become a little nerve racking with the welcome return of the sooner-than-anticipated-death penalty(death being an ordinary incident of life, in itself it cannot be a penalty. It has never been a crime at common law to*be* an homosexual or to *be* anything, but sodomy and buggery were and are, very much crimes at common law for screamingly obvious reasons. You can tell when groupings of men have degenerated nearly as much as they can by their tolerance for sexual perversion such as sewerism or homosexualpractices or even homosexuality, and those groupings with that queer religion modernism(which is a sub-religion of the religion socialism)as their official religion as it is in much of Europe and America won't stand an earthly when the Moors of Islam with their fondness for defenestrating perverts come knocking.
What price Islamophobia then eh girls?
Ah the hilarity of the modernist paradox of the sacred cows.I think our friend Miss Joyce may wel have an eye to the bkurring of any distinction there may be between homosexualityor sewerism and mad pansies pretending to be women as if menstrual pains or the agonies of child birth were optional extras of being beings of the passive sex or women. What puzzles me is why mad pansies go for being mutilated at the hands of butchers when they suppose the anus or sewer of the body to be a form of vagina.
I have to argue something here, I hear the words "2015 tumblr version..." and I promise you it started earlier than that. I lived it.
I think it was around 2010-2011 I started seeing this kind of thought on tumblr seep into the site. I remember it because of how much fanart and fancomics I would read.
I was big into a bunch of different fandoms video games, comics and animation. Around 2010 I saw a fanmade comic of a main character being trans. It was also a community that if you had anything to say against the LGBT people would cut you down. Still, people thought it was annoying. There was even a character featured in a comic I loved that was a parody of SJW. That character was introduced in 2013. (I just looked it up, his name is Kankri. Please don't judge me for liking homestuck, I was young)
I WANT TO STRESS THIS TOO! It is very normal for teenage girls to grow up and spend all their time roleplaying or looking at fanart.
in the undertale fandom I've seen people say "Down with Cis" constantly, on repeat. Think about teenage girls that just want to go and look at fanart of a series they like? Yesterday I heard from a detranitioner said that the fandom she was in convinced her that being hetronomitive is bad and she wanted to be like her friends and the artists she likes.
TDLR: The biggest fight that you will never be able to reach or affect is in fandoms. Thats where adults are targeting kids minds. I know this because I lived it.
Oh yeah. 2015 i think is seen as a year it exploded, not the year it originated. I was on tumblr around 2011-2013 and i saw this stuff sort of coexist with gay rights stuff, female issues like rape and sexism, comebacks to sexist comments, etc. Then these things stopped coexisting, trans took over to the detriment of those other things.
But you're right, it was seeping into the "real world" before 2015. When i was reading about trans stuff i didnt really trust randoms on tumblr to give me the "real facts" so i went to sites about feminism, and official health websites, local hospital and mental health helpline websites and it was there too.
To me, thats the more important aspect. If it was only on tumblr, you could see it as subcultural weirdness. But i know people who were never on tumblr, who just heard about this stuff from friends and visiting queer spaces, but they used official health websites for their information. And the website you go to to find contraception or book your psych appointment has a page about how everyone has a gender identity.
The thing that being gay or bi or girl-boy or just anything but mundane normie was going on in Russia in anime circles back in 00s. Many girls pretended to be boys, request pronouns and use themselves (our language is faaaar more gendered, you have gendered verbs and nouns and adjectives), wrote yaoi, or femslash, and, frankly, many girls had issues with their body image or were actually LGBT and used this to process their feelings, but majority grew out of the fad. The T and fluid bs, though, never got a foothold in our online culture. Since 2011 we had assassinations of our free press and politicians and stolen votes and stolen future, you know, you gotta be priveleged idiоt in full inner emigration and fully unawarwes of Kafka/Orwell crossover of our life to care about this bs and not about basic human rights.
Psichiatry in our country is also draconious, but at least they get it right and treat obsessive psychosis or personality disorders. Our society is extremely hostile to the outliers, but they still validate few people who just cannot get rid from ideations, and transition is uncommon, but happening.
@@LoliLikesPedobear "and, frankly, many girls had issues with their body image or were actually LGBT and used this to process their feelings,"...
Great insight I'd never considered, but it makes total sense. Thank you!
I agree. I saw it roll-out on Tumblr like a tsunami starting around 2011. Tbh, it didn't feel organic. Knowing what was going on in backroom lobbying irl at the same time, I look at what happened in online spaces and get the feeling it was planted.
Thanks for the warning. My daughters are into fandoms including undertale and starting to veer into TRA ideas.
When the foundation of a movement is emotional blackmail, there's almost nowhere else to go but down. It's a sinking ship and we're all drowning in the waves.
Emotional blackmail and a LIE.
As it is and was with feminism. You get what you fucking deserve.
Fantastic woman. Great thinker, rational and incisive in her approach to questions.
You understand that "fantastic" means the stuff of fantasy?
Seemingly not. She certainly appears to be very sound on filthy anti-natural paraphilias such as homsexualism and transsexualism, but did not identify the elephant in the room autogynephilia, being a devout follower of the religion modernism, which she is seemingly dismayed to discover that she is, and is a little nervous because transsexuality cannot be severed from the filthy and anti-natural sewerism or homosexuality, and being as obsessed with*sin* as any modernist, she fears she ma be falling into sin were she to criticise any form of paraphilia(or malfunction of the sex function)the most comon and prominent of which is sewerism or homosexualism.
In short she has Germaine_Greer_itis)- an unfortunate tendency of wiseacres of the passive sx to be truthful.
The great joy of bad-tempered old beings of the passive sex is that they are no respecters of religions nor their sacred cows.
The problem facing the rather splendid author is that she would like to keep a foot in both camps or cut of the legs , but keep the feet. When the warm water of religion(all that morality /ethics bunkum meets the cold water of truth and common sense, most often you get the fog of trying to be all things to all men, in which gets lost not only honesty and truthfulness but even yje fer dinner cheshma of Scheherazade sometimes resulting in the confection know as fudge, in which fog the traveller tends to bump into, or run aground on, fakery and fraud.
Can transexualism be severed from sewerism or homosexualism?
It is precisely *there* that the devout modernist encounters the paradox of the sacred cows(to the intense delight and amusement of non-modernists)
every person has masculine and feminine qualities this has always been true, a women is a women and a man is a man no matter what qualities are dominant in that person.
I am so offended by people trying to insist a man is a women or saying I'm a cis woman but no one cares about what offends me. we all have to stand up for what is true. every person should be treated equally.
'Every person has masculine and feminine qualities' - this shows how narcissistic people who call themselves 'non-binary' are. They think it makes them special, lol.
"Why are you allowed to identify out of maleness into femaleness but you aren't allowed to identify out of whiteness into blackness?"
Woah 😦
She contradicted herself , she says in america there's a significant benefit in identifying as black but yet there's not a wealth of white people who are rushing out to identify as black. She isn't American and clearly showed her lack of understanding of race in america.
@@stewy2909 Australia is still pretty problematic in how they treat their indigenous people.
Aka pretendians
The general public should be far more alarmed than we are.
I totally agree.
It affects women, lesbians and children so society doesn't care
Helen Joyce has floored me with her logic and intellect. I will listen again and then buy the book. Her depiction of being forced into denying what you hold to be true was said with the authority of being self evidentially correct. The Emperors' new clothes comes to mind.
I've found Helen Joyce to be incredibly informative but her idea that the same men that want to conquer women's spaces wouldn't be interested in conquering black spaces is nonsensical. These same conquerors won't be satisfied until they conquer all categories.
How very STRANGE it is that anyone, let alone a multitude, believes that forcing people to say something that they don't believe is a good idea.
Agree. The Nazis managed to convince the German people that the Jews were responsible for Germany's economic situation. We all know what happened next.
Sadly it’s the normal state of affairs for most of human history. Plenty of peasants have changed opinions in a heartbeat when someone from a higher caste made known a contrary opinion.
In this case, sane people are forced to say untrue thing, like “transwomen are women” 🙃, while in fact, “transwomen” are men. So it’s not that we don’t believe it, we just don’t want to tell lies.
You're a frog
@@eldrickemc4602 🐸
I could listen to Helen all night the way she links rational cognitive facts and articulated so beautifully in the process .
Great conversation, HOWEVER, that tid bit about how critical race theory works & how many hiring “advantages” are afforded ppl in the USA who “identify as” black/a racial minority group member is grossly out of step with reality & with this woman’s apparent intellectual capacity.
Much has been documented about the ways in which affirmative action helped white women the most & as far as critical race theory goes: it's GROUNDED in an approach to the analysis of how racial assumptions & the ECONOMICS of white hegemony was woven into nearly all kind of laws / legislation / legal precedents. The idea that CRT can be boiled down to a strict insistence upon boundaries (presumably by practitioners of CRT) or even represented by a white theorist (Robin DiAngelo) instead of KIMBERLE CRENSHAW & other black scholars speaks to the same problem black ppl have always had when white ppl try speaking for or about our cultural products & intellectual contributions. And bc this woman is very smart, viewers wont know to question that glaring obfuscation of black scholarly thought
@@ThatWeLove Critical race 'theory' is a dumb joke. You just call all white people 'racists' and all black people 'victims' and then piss them both about and play them off against each other. It's ideological bullcrap. It will be wiped out of education shortly as being a racist dogma in itself.
Society needs more of this type of conversation. If we start to blur the lines between reality and desire/beliefs then you will end up with Chaos within that society.
claiming america for white men was once a dream/desire/belief.
reaching the moon or mars was once a dream/desire/belief.
Beating the world record in anything is always a dream/desire/belief. (and yet people still beat them and make new records)
not being poor or affected by the fact that you are poor is probably everyones dream/desire/belief.
being happy is a dream/desire/belief. Being trans and doing something about it, like starting transition, is about that same thing.. Happiness. I know it's a strange concept for you, but you also take you everyday happiness for granted. Something trans gender people don't, they see you happiness and wants just a fraction of it. So they go to the doctor, spend years talking with doctors and what not, just to figure out that the only way to be truely happy is to live as the gender they feel like. For most, that means starting hrt or Hormones.
I am happy and proud to be alive in a time where we actually start to accept this and help people who need help with this. At the same time i'm disgusted to witness this kind of behaviour that the people in the video are showing. That most people in the comments are showing. This type of exclusive behaviour, that targets people and tried to invalidate their experience and feelings. People like this should be evaluated by a professional, as they clearly have something wrong in their head. They need professional help.
@@gargoyled_drake
After the emancipation proclamation, freeing all slaves, 5 tribes of native Americans had to have a special treaty in order for them to give up their slaves. Oops.
@@gargoyled_drake " So they go to the doctor, spend years talking with doctors and what not, just to figure out that the only way to be truely happy is to live as the gender they feel like" Years??? You mean one half hour session and sent home with cross sex hormones. Wake up.
@@lil-al Is that how you started your transition?
.....by your chromosomes you are still the sex you were born with..M2F can never be naturaly impregnated, F2M can never naturaly impregnate a woman. You are just walking fake of physiques made up to match your inner emotions. It never makes you REAL gender you just pretend...
i have seen helen joyce speak before (recordings on youtube), but i thought this was the best articulation of her points i have see. well done
She is so good in dismantling this dangerous nonsense.
Helen makes a good point when she mentions the role of work in all this. It seems like most larger organizations are loaded with people who will accept all types of nonsense if they think it will make their bosses happy. They’ll smile their way through the gender expression training too, whether they agree with it or not.
A friend of mine who knows companies' structures inside out (and is too intelligent for his own good) also said this: companies love newly "empowered" workers and managers because they're actually more docile. They're thankful that they've been taken on board and are less likely to make demands. The DEI propaganda also constantly reminds them that they are something "other" and prevents them from making demands outside what's defined by the DEI diktats. Keeps the higher-ups happy. And it gets rid of the white male lower-downs who are starting to make demands after the dramatic erosion of their quality of life in the past 14 years, incidentally also the ones who have families and responsibilities motivating them to try and get more money and time to raise children.
HR has always had a policing role, the workplace is probably the most powerful agent of social control in most people's lives in the West.
‘A man will believe/say anything if his job depends on it.’
I needed to pay the rent, get food on the table, keep the heat on, put clothes on the kids’ backs and shoes on their feet….so, yes, I might go along to get along if it means my livelihood. Just being honest. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
@@starrycrown I understand the pressure we are under to meet our financial obligations. But there is no way I could “conform” to such ridiculousness, every day in my work environment. If maintaining the job requires people to just “suffer” in silence, I suppose they will have to make the decision that is best for themselves, and family. I just know my tolerance level, and I would not subject myself to inane “sensitivity” training and “diversity” orientation. I just can’t live my life in a climate of lies and nonsense.
Helen says women are better than men at being able to tell the difference between a man and a woman. That is so true. We often see stories in the newspapers about a man being arrested for beating up another man he had just taken to bed, because he had been acting under the impression that the second person was a woman, but once they were in bed he suddenly discovered that the second person was actually a man. When I see the photos, I (as a woman) look at those photos and think how STUPID the first man was, because he couldn’t tell the difference. Men do indeed seem to have difficulty very often being able to tell the difference between a woman and a man wearing a dress. Incredible but true.
A lot of ugly chicks nowadays it's kind of sad will have to ask to see the goods 😕
I think these men know but don’t admit it until maybe after sexual activity. They shatter their own sexual identity by participation and strike out because they want to blame the other for their behavior
This is also ethnicity dependent. Women can tell sex apart more accurately of their own ethnicity or the ethnicity they have lots of exposure to. I've seen lots of Thai ladyboys who look completely female but my Thai friend can tell the difference.
The self-deletion rates after the procedure, doesn't show well for the effectiveness of affirmation based treatment protocols, and calls into question the ethics of the medical and psych "professionals" who facilitate those procedures.
As a counselor in training who is planning to work on this issue from the inside, I could not agree more.
I was sexually harassed by a transwoman. It was ongoing and very uncomfortable. When I confronted him he tried to pretend like, “that’s how “girlfriends” behave with one another.” And I was like, “NO! I’ve never felt sexually harassed by any of my girlfriends.” So gross.
Kick him in the bollox if he does it again. If he does it in women's only spaces call the police too.
They're fetishists. Fetishists who act in an EXTREMELY typically male way.
Loooool (only bcz of those freaky words he said) that dude, those people, are soooo deranged.
Personally I would vote for making them all extinct.
I would have shattered that jaw
That's what they're about
I feel really blessed that my mother was a woman. Don't knock it, its a big thing today. My grandmother was also a woman, all the way back to Eve. Truly blessed I am.
And your mother was born with all her eggs in her ovaries fully developed. So half of you was also carried by your grandmother.
What a coincidence...😂
One would hope so.
You Right Wing Weirdo. Ooh, hold on! My mother was female, and my father was a man. Bastards!!!!
@@sebastiennesp1978 haha
Helen and Kellie-Jay Keen are my heroines. Look out for the party of women - common sense and science will win.
Clear intellectual rational reasoning and thinking is kryptonite to the trans ideology movement
I could listen to Helen Joyce speaking all day. She’s so articulate and sensible.
Her book is fascinating.
I just got her book but haven't cracked it yet. I need sensibility in my day to day life, these days.
Helen Joyce is quite simply brilliant!!!
The most surprising and enjoyable conversation I've watched in months. Dr. Joyce is well versed, speaks normally about evident things, and she's enchanting (just watch what she does with her hair all the time). When I listen to her, the tension in my neck relaxes since I don't have to contort my mind into a pretzel. I can just relax into her intelligence and aura.
Outstanding interview. The host and guest had a wide ranging discussion about many potential outcomes that will affect freedom of speech and other liberties. It was profound. Thank you.
Helen is such a clear minded articulate woman. So impressive.
She is. Yet she claims that trans kids are mentally unsound gay people in spite of evidence that homosexuality and transgenderism are clearly defined and not confusing to anyone who understands the medical descriptions. She also talks about a cabal of powerful men who have erotic fixations who are pushing this ideology, and she is clearly creating a fictitious group of straw men. The trans people I know have no such erotic fixations. They are not gay. They have no power. They are quite mentally sound. I really would like her to talk about them. She evidently doesn't think they exist. She thinks they are demented pawns of powerful, white sexual deviants. This is just typical right wing bull crap based on fear and hatred. She certainly sounds good, but she is adding nothing to the conversation except a snazzy British accent.
@@scottcebulski4350 probably more accurate to look at stats than the people in our lives. The stats for mental health in the trans community are not good. A very large percentage of younger ftm trans people are same sex attracted, as well as hugely more likely to suffer from ASD, depression and anxiety, and famously in the studies before the field became so contested a large majority of the gender questioning kids studied, if left to their own devices ended up sis and gay. Before puberty and the hormonal changes that drive sexuality it seems same sex attraction can present as gender confusion.
Ultimately I think we should look to the best outcome for the individual first. For some that will be transition I'm sure. But it's not without its costs, so one should confirm that's the best course. You can be gay, but you can only present as the other sex, and that must have a cost.
@Bernhard Schwarz what aspect do you take issue with?
Every new conversation I listen to with this woman always becomes my favourite. Thank you a thousand times to her for speaking out and putting it all into sensible language and to you for hosting her.
My favourites are with Peterson and Marshall. Great woman! ❤️
Imagine how good the world could be if highly intelligent women like this could dedicate her their time to solving real problems instead of having to fight back against crazy people. It's like we're under attack from a zombie apocalypse where the zombie consumes culture and rationality because it's too weak to eat actual flesh.
How refreshing to hear an open, intelligent discourse on the most controversial topic of our times. Excellent stuff 👏🏻
It is nice to hear a conversation at all! So often it is just shut up, there is no room for discussion, we only value the opinion of people who agree with the far left.
Every lie incurs a debt to the truth. And sooner or later, that debt is paid.
Denying reality will work for only so long.
Thank you for this comment.
Fact and Truth have nothing to do with Reality....or Survival.
I loved this, Thanks for sharing. I was born male, diagnosed at five as gender dysphoric. I loved to run; I had a great talent for it. By age 15 I was hitting Olympic times in the 440 and even the 880. I grew up with strong Women, my grandmothers where both well respected and I dearly loved my sister. Whenever we went to community events, and I would compete in races or what have you I was always told to diel it down and I would because I knew Men and Boys have that advantage but the girls like to win to so I would hold back. So, when I hit 17 and was about to begin my transition I had to have "That Talk" with my track coach. Of course, the school guidance counselor was there to, and she also happened to be the girls track coach. I was offered the opportunity to try out for the girls' team and I must say I was elated but I opted to quit track as I knew what I'd be doing to girls and their sport was Immoral and unethical. I would not be able to look any of the women in my family in the face and I know my grandmothers would have been so disappointed in me. Ladies the loudest voices telling you to do this are the farthest ones from participating in it. Say NO! Trnas men and women same thing goes for you and doubly so! Funny however, I don't see Trns F to M even attempting to participate in male sports Why not? The level of hypocrisy of the people pushing this is sickening.
This is beautiful insight. Thank you for sharing your story. Truly.
I admire the strength you showed by giving up a sport you loved because you understood if you continued to compete (against females) you would have a distinct advantage.
However, may I ask, who on earth diagnosed you as 'gender dysphoric' at age five?!?
Nobody at 5 has gender dysphoria, they say they also want to be astronauts, firemen, cowboys, chefs and all other kinds of occupations they find cool at the time they are thinking about it. They also want to jump on the beds and the couches. They also don't know which crayon they want to color with. They are learning the alphabet and how to read and write. But saying you had gender dysphoria and then reading that you seemed to be influenced by strong women, which strong women can be very good role models, you did not indicate that you had male influences in your personal life other than a coach.
Let me explain, and I am 55 years-old so I think I know a thing or two, the female gender was presented to you as the ideal identity because the male identity was not valued. So in the over-valuation of female identity caused you to come to view female identity as desirable and not being able to see the male identity as having the same value.
In other words, they saw you as a female even if they didn't say it out loud, so for them it was much easier to allow you to think you were female. Nobody at 5 can make that decision because they don't know yet the purpose of the penis other than peeing out of it.
I have seen it a thousand times and have seen children live in shame because they have parents who say "I wanted a boy but got a girl" or "I wanted a girl and got a boy" and then say "oh, but I love them anyway". To say love them anyway means the love for the child and its gender is a second thought. They have diminished and devalued that child's identity.
I don't know your personal life, but the only ones you wrote about was your grandmothers and your sister. You didn't say you had a father or brothers, so I assume you grew up with everyone showing the female identity as more valuable. You wrote that you would disappoint your grandmothers. That is very telling. So no, they did not place onto you the same level of respect and value as a boy, it was their problem they had with males not yours.
The truth is, you have a penis and a prostate and all the things inside that make a male. You do not have any single female part in you and it is very disrespectful to claim to be the other gender simply because you want other people to see you as something and accept you as something you are not.
The last question I have is this, is there any possible way in this life that you could die of uterine, ovarian or cervix cancer? I had a hysterectomy to save my life because I had cancer, so for a male to pretend to claim to be my gender, is disrespectful to my life. And I don't think anyone ever told you that your body parts should be celebrated because it is part of your personhood.
@@douglasherron7534 I had that thought too. Without that diagnosis, he might be in the Olympics as a man.
You weren't hitting Olympic times at 15. This and the rest of your story shows you are slightly delusional.
I have heard her speak with someone else like maybe Richard Dawkins, someone of that calibre. I really like the way she expresses herself. It helps me with my own understanding of this topic.
Trust people who say 'I need to think about that', don't trust people who shout a single idea at you.
I'm buying a couple of these books for friends & I'm going to leave one lying around for a lucky finder. My good deed
Brilliant idea I'm stealing it 😀
Sounds like you'll get arrested
You could donate a copy to your local library.
My mother's cousin was one of the rare hermaphrodites, but his mother was put on female hormones while pregnant with him. Back in those days, people were given all kinds of medications that caused damage. But outwardly he looked male so he identified as male. No one made an issue out of the fact that while he was male identified because of the outward, he also acted feminine. But he was not a transgender, he simply did indeed have female biology also. But he never had anyone devalue him for being a hermaphrodite, it simply was what it was.
But it is the hermaphrodites that people began to use as the basis of their gender dysphoria without even considering what a hermaphrodite goes through mentally. He did live a very full life as a music teacher in high school and played the organ in church, but he never married. None of my family ever spoke of him in a negative manner because we all knew this was an actual biological condition that is rare.
He did not have a choice unlike a lot of the trans that she is referring to.
Whilst not wishing to disrespect your story, I feel it necessary to correct your terminology! No human is or ever has been a Hermaphrodite! The term hermaphrodite applied to humans is wrong as there have been no identified cases of a human reproducing as both male and female. More accurately humans possessing both male and female genitalia are defined as intersex, which is scientifically and clinically more accurate! Urban dictionaries are increasingly, due to either ignorance or to push an agenda, quietly and conveniently dropping the “capable of producing sperm and ova” definition of Hermaphrodite!
@Miss Droplette where did you get your stats?
@Miss Droplette Its actually closer to 1 in roughly every 6000 people, so 0.018%. The medical world go with that figure. The 1.7% figure came from anne fauster-sterling, a sexologist (study of sexuality). She included in that figure people with conditions which clinicians do not consider to be intersex. Eg. Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome etc. Turner syndrome tends to effect women. In those two cases, 'sex is consistent with phenotypic sex'. So the individual is either male or female, not ambiguous.
The media (and google) seems to use her figure for some reason though even though its very misleading. At a glance, I only see the 1.7% mentioned in newspaper articles talking about lgbt but not so far in medical journals. Like I said the medical,world seem to disagree with that figure.
Sorry for how long that might be.
The difference is they were not play acting. They are genuine in both roles. I'm sure they did not run around saying they were intersexed and needed to be placed on a pedestal and accepted by everyone.
16:07 - 16:22 genuinely disturbed me. She's so right. All these children who are the victims of trans ideology have autogynephiles to thank. How else are we supposed to feel other than disgusted and outraged? How could we allow this small sub-set of male humans to have caused so much harm?
Parents need help.
..nothing more than dirty greed for money the doctors and drug industry gains on this fashion...
Branchards theory has been long disproved
@@jamessmith6363no it hasn’t.
T Rants don’t want to debate because debate requires and open mind and willingness to adjust ones thought process and stance there of.
"For those that don't know cis is the opposite of trans"
No, *sane* is the opposite of trans
"Cis" is not a clear term even in the ideology which introduced it, as trans identifying people do not refer to themselves as "cis" once they transition. The ideology insists on trans identfied people being called just "men" or "women" and being affirmed as such.
It's opposite is really just "not trans."
100%
The more interviews i watch from helen joyce, the more I think that she’s literally bomb funny in addition to being very empathetic and a stunning intellectual
yeah definitely one for my dream dinner party guest list x)
Great conversation, HOWEVER, that tid bit about how critical race theory works & how many hiring “advantages” are afforded ppl in the USA who “identify as” black/a racial minority group member is grossly out of step with reality & with this woman’s apparent intellectual capacity.
Much has been documented about the ways in which affirmative action helped white women the most & as far as critical race theory goes: it's GROUNDED in an approach to the analysis of how racial assumptions & the ECONOMICS of white hegemony was woven into nearly all kind of laws / legislation / legal precedents. The idea that CRT can be boiled down to a strict insistence upon boundaries (presumably by practitioners of CRT) or even represented by a white theorist (Robin DiAngelo) instead of KIMBERLE CRENSHAW & other black scholars speaks to the same problem black ppl have always had when white ppl try speaking for or about our cultural products & intellectual contributions. And bc this woman is very smart, viewers wont know to question that glaring obfuscation of black scholarly thought
@@ThatWeLove Parklife
@@ThatWeLove opinions over here, opinions over there.
@@ThatWeLove I don't think you got her main point of thought there, which i agree with. Her main point is, if we look at CRT from a very basic level, its consequence, i.e. what it actually wants, is segregation. It's a deeply racist ideology.
Helen Joyce is on my 'Mount Rushmore' of public intellectuals. Absolute legend.
LOL, Along with Krusty the Clown and Trump no doubt
@@DavidGraeberWasRight Gaslighting, Gaslighting damn you!
@@DavidGraeberWasRightExcellent.
Helen Joyce has the most incredible and in depth understanding of this issue. She is razor sharp and uncompromising. An amazing woman.
❤ such an important voice . thank goodness for Helen Joyce
I totally agree with what Helen said from about 12:30 to about 16:00 mins in. (I'm no academic, just a realist!) It's like 'I got everything I want as a man, now I'm gonna claim women as well'! I'm an F2M, after years of counselling came to the horrific realisation that I went through this because of years of horrendous sexual abuse, starting with my father as a baby. And also later as a teenager! I also grew up with horrifying physical, psychological abuse and sexism from the mother and grandmother and brother - he was treated like a king who could do no wrong - I was blamed, shamed, and incurred never ending criticism for everything I did and didn't do!
I don't believe you can be born in the 'wrong body'.
The enormous elephant in the room about becoming F2M is down to childhood abuse! The reality was/is, I never felt safe, it was like 'if I don't have breasts and a vagina I can't be raped'!
Now I'm stuck in a totally mutilated body! Regret doesn't even cover it!
When I spoke to the GIC they would have been happy to push me through more mutilating surgeries to what they referred to as 'reversal surgery'! It could never put me back to where I was before I started! I started this whole sorry journey back in 2002 - now I feel like some 'Frankenstein creation'!
I suffer with constant UTI's, and vile smells coming from the 'phallus'! (I can't believe I'm alone here!) I do believe that a lot of F2M's delude themselves into believing they 'were men born in female body's' actually are masking dark pasts from childhood!
I actually was 'in contact' with quite a few F2M's in the beginning, who admitted they were badly sexually abused as children!!
This basically covers the other half of the transgender story!
F2M = childhood abuse!
M2F = fetish!
I am still a women inside - how could that ever be any different!? I'm just a realist!
I’m so sorry this happened to you. You’re helping other women and girls by speaking out ❤
Thank you for stating your story
We need to find out who is the driving force behind these mutilations and have them prosecuted
I don't know many trans people, but my niece is F2M, and I've met a few other F2M through her. getting to know these three women some has borne out what you say. Learning just a small portion of their experience, abuse simply for being female, made me realize it makes absolute sense that childhood abuse of girls leads to women who would rather be men.
Thank you for sharing this! I am so sorry you have so much pain in your past and present ❤❤❤
“Because the investment of a pregnancy and so on, is much larger than one ejaculation.” I was listening so intently then this happened. I laughed so much! Hey she’s 100% correct but it came out of nowhere.
Cracked me up too 🤣🤣
Your comment incited my continuing to view vid. I am 80. Single. Struggler/Survivor. Homophilic but respect and appreciate males. My clever younger brother declared self ""gay" because of 60s Viet war draft system. Yes, I overheard the guys discussing Canada, disabilities, religion, alt services... all the options. Males and Females develop Adult personae according to the culture and society and geopolitical situations around themselves..
To Day2, there has never been an experience of a man being sexually assaulted by A, trans woman in a male bathroom or locker room. There are multiple cases around the world of the opposite. That should be the end of the argument.
Promoting biological reality is not hate speech.
Obviously, now it is. - The West has done bro unless we all fight the left.
Amen to that!
The follow up question is, what biological reality are you going by? 1400's? 1800's 1960's or today's? Because there is a lot of changes and improvements in the understanding of biology over the years. Extremely over the past couple years.
@andrewtate914 don't you see how stupid it all is!
@@andrewtate914 the one that shows that genetics can tell the gender of a person...not the beliefs of a religious cult.
That any of this needs to be not only pointed out but thoroughly discussed is insane to me.
To point out the basic fact that a person cannot change their birth sex is to be called a criminal is just frightening.
Success is failure.
Failure is success.
You can change how you look you can change how you live I have no problem with that however it seems I'm being forced to accept that even if I don't agree with it
Are baby girls born with long hair, dresses and makeup? sex & gender explained... you can believe in a dude called god uis p in heaven but can;t grasp that.. thats insane to me
@@mdrnprimitve-wesupportsmal6507 - Who mentioned god?
Baby girls are born with ovaries, a uterus and mammary glands.
Little boys are born with testicles and a penis. No mammary glands.
Long hair and a dress do not make a gender.
I'm not sure where you were going with that?
Ever read a book?
It’s so tragic tbh
My HR told me to stop questioning men's presence in female spaces, including bathrooms that link to locker rooms where some employees change clothing. In my state, washington, they can self ID and then their rights are above ours, automatically. I found a woman named Julie Jaman who also lives in my state, she was banned from her YMCA for telling a man to get out of a locker room where she was showering and little girls were using toilets. It is madness!
I am traying to see this from Switzerland and You Tube took the sound away. 😡 Censorship!
“Freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of belief”
This is what we’re losing.
How do we get it back?
The way she talks about biological reality gives me goosebumps. She's outrageously erudite!
😂
Her book is excellently researched. I'm about 3/4 in right now
@L G Oh thank you thank you--was planning on doing just that! Lol! I'm not the sharpest arrow and barely educated, plus her accent! 🤣🤣
Amazing alliteration.
She is funny, particularly when she says, “ only one of you will be going to the hospital, and won’t be able to show up for work the next day”. Ummmm…..wonder why?
I find it remarkable that mathematicians (Helen Joyce, James Lindsay) and Comedians (need I list them) have the clearest insight into this movement's internal contradictions and ironies.
It's about knowing and being comfortable with where the boundaries between ideas and groups/classes are.
Mathematicians can identify patterns and groupings - commonalities.
Comedians transgress boundaries and taboos to reveal otherwise unconscious social norms.
Mathematicians usually have a high IQ, they can understand most things they put their mind too, however that doesn't even approach meaning that they have the right conclusion or opinion on the matter. Not saying she's wrong or right, but you're blind if you don't see that this woman is equally steeped in falsehood and liberal ideology of her own previous generation, as the current generation is steeped in it's own.
That's a fantastic observation
Old-school, left-leaning feminists also get it. They have always been highly critical of gender stereotypes (i.e. what society deems "femininity" - frilly dresses, make-up etc.) and have spent a lifetime understanding that so much of the misery heaped on women throughout history comes from both biological sex and lived experience/socialisation. When men people adopt gender stereotypes and claim that THAT is "womanhood" and then demand access to women's safe spaces upon the threat of violence... yeah, it grates.
Damn, that is a very clever idea- never thought of it like that, but it perfectly makes sense! Comedians often joke about taboo subjects to try to make sense of it. Edgy ones talk about the oftentimes unspoken or forbidden topics- i.e. trans
Thank you for the video and interview.
The main problem I see lies in trans subverting pure logic: In the context of human rights, people have struggled for who they are, for the respect due to who they are, and who they prefer to partner with, whereas trans struggle essentially to get rights for what they are not. Thence the divide. I see there an irreconcilable obstacle to human understanding and cognitive abilities.
What -ever- happened to politicians' brain? I wonder. Tbh, mine accepts this last bit of individualism, fetishism, narcissism, you name it for me if you wish, because I know some of the trans people hurt a lot, and would love to be recognized, but trans rights activists' arguments do not convince me, especially those of a minority of trans women who, in their despair to be accepted for what they are not, want to take over women's places and the few advantages women have secured, with great difficulty sometimes, over decades. In so doing, they display a predatory instinct and predatory skills that do not mix well with women's nurturing nature (nature: I don't mean necessarily in an essentialist way; just for lack of a better word). It's as though that tiny group of trans want to erase women, to replace them, and because most can hardly resemble a woman, all they can achieve is projecting a heavily made-up caricature of women, both physically and abstractly, to the point of mocking them and mocking Title 9, a landmark for women in the USA (whether you are a feminist or not). I don't see many trans, for example actively, fighting against pay discrimination based on gender or against glass ceilings. Ironical!
The trans movement is also an open door, an invite, for people who want to be identified as babies, or animals, or things, all of the above not based on tangible facts. But for their happiness, maybe there should be a separate law based on intangible things, without necessarily shouting "discrimination!".
The only thing I would say to that small group of trans among trans: 'Please, leave the children alone, please don't encourage them to become eventually sterile at a younger age, please stop the slaughtering especially on teenagers' reproductive system and in rare cases on kids even younger than 15, please do not distort language just for your own, egotistical pursuit of power. Pursuit of happiness is different from pursuit of power. And indulging in fetishism should not logically lead to power, beyond, say, a 2-mn happiness peak each time. Where's the missing link?
As for language, women are not "womb carriers", "bleeders", "breast feeders", etc... They are simply women. No matter your influence over the Left right now and your morbid activism against women, you will not change the irrefutable fact that a woman is merely, naturally, almost too mundanely, a woman, no, you will not change this fact just by adding the three-letter word, "cis", to the whole sordid battle.' That’s what I would say.
That's a very good analysis.
@@pankakesnotstellar Thank you. I have had this topic at heart these days.
An observation: I worked for nearly 30 years as a RN, mostly in home health. So I did many many History and physical assessments, possibly thousands with elderly people. When you do this you hear all sorts of things. Sometimes extremely personal things; even confessions of things maybe the patient wouldn't want others to know. Not one patient ever said to me "I regret I never was able to change my sex, or gender".
I think its just pure unabated narcissism that drives this.
What an amazing woman! So intelligent, clear, articulate, and centered! I found my new role model!
As a society we need to resolve the child care issue. It can't be the woman's problem alone and it can't be for free. All we're doing is encouraging women not to have children.
If we care about children we have to care about them as a society
My nextdoor neighbour was a trans woman and we were friends fo 12 years then all og a sudden when my son was coming up to being 18 she became the neighbour from hell and made out lives horrendous and very scary because of their male aggression and strength.
After 3 years of having to csll the police almost every day,bwe finally got her prosecuted for harassment and a restraning order was issued which she continuosly broke.
We did finally manage to move to get away from her, now everytime she passes my car outside my Mum's house she stops her car and spits all over my car.
Sadly after we moved we found out most of the rest of the street had issues with her.
I also met someone who knew her ex-wife and said when she was a man he was a nasty drunk and his wife and kids have nothing to do with her.
I am fascinated with Helen Joyce. Her book is just one of the best books that I have read. Helen articulates the issues and how to deal with them. I am a gay man and the only organisation that is challenging the narrative is the LGB alliance which clearly states medicalising children is child abuse. I find that the mainstream media don't give Helen a platform when she states 99% of people agree. I found most people are cowards with no backbone to challenge this cult. I find stonewall and Mermaids homophobic as they are turning gay teenagers into the opposite sex of what they are.
I agree, except it's important to be clear it's impossible to change sex, they are supporting the sterilisation and mutilation of young people.
The LGB-Alliance supports, among other things, people who are against same-sex marriage and wants to ban LGBTQIA+support groups in schools because fears about "predatory gay teachers. They can't even really hide their own homophobia. This isn't really about promoting LGB-rights, or even about concerns about Transfolk, it's about sowing division in the LQBTQIA+ community.
@@Marinus_Calamari None of what you said is true, we see your lies and the myths section of their website explains things clearly.
@@K_F_P So you don't ha anything of substance to say?
@@Marinus_Calamari You're a believer in gender identity ideology, so I may as well be talking to the (stone)wall.
As a trans* person i believe that conversation and debate are ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to creating the tolerance we seek. Cancelling those who challenge your experience does NOT make you a winner. It makes you weak.
What 'tolerance' are you after?
I ask because the example set by the so-called "trans activists"
Totally agree.
It has to be said that with all due respect, it's first and foremost a mental illness that needs to be addressed. Regardless on how a person feels they are still feelings and feeling they are in the wrong body is in and of itself a mental thing that needs to be addressed.
@@Blinkybottom
I tend to agree with you... but good luck getting that point thoughtfully addressed in the current social atmosphere.
@@santosd6065 that's the thing, it's important to ignore the mentally ill person shouting from a soapbox when they are making no sense and so as a person who is mentally ill I can choose to ignore when no sense is being made. Like any mental illness like say BPD, they believe in what they are feeling, still doesn't make it true when logic is used.
0:39: 📚 The book discusses transgender ideology and its impact on society.
6:33: 🔍 The speaker discusses the challenges faced by feminism in addressing the biological differences between men and women and suggests the need for a humanistic approach.
12:36: 🔑 There are multiple factors driving the transgender movement, including the desire of powerful men to counter women, the trend towards individualism, and the erotic drive for some men to present as women.
17:13: 📚 The speaker discusses the differences between trans and non-trans people and the influence of sexual orientation on gender identity.
22:00: 💬 The speaker discusses the importance of recognizing sex-based rights and the potential consequences of disregarding them.
27:05: 📚 The speaker criticizes the current version of transgender ideology, stating that it is a distorted and simplified version of the original post-modernist philosophy.
32:47: 🗣 The speaker discusses the authoritarian logic and policing of speech in the transgender movement.
38:20: 😕 The speaker discusses the faith-based nature of the gender identity movement and the lack of tolerance for differing views, highlighting the dangers of losing freedom of speech and expression.
44:41: 🗣 The speaker discusses the implications and potential consequences of the advancement of the ideology of automatic self-identification and the denial of biological sex.
48:32: 📚 Women are more likely to support transgender ideology, despite it being more harmful for them, due to a mixture of factors including younger women not realizing the impact of motherhood and a desire to deny unpleasant realities.
Recap by Tammy AI
Men and women are equal but they are different! I think Transgenderism is a paradox in that it tries to embrace diversity (many different genders) whilst also stating that men can be the same as women.
so great to see a woman standing up for other women instead of submitting to the males who appropriate womanhood
Such a great point; but it goes so much further. Some of those same women who say that men have no place discussing women's rights happily give place among their ranks to men willing to wear a dress and call themselves Susan.
@@zedalba exactly!! And some of these women even attack lesbians for not wanting to interact with male genetalia. It's not only misogynist,it's homophobic as well !
FACTS
Oh, the irony.
How we've completely 180'd to upholding social sex-stereotypes. You'll be arguing that it's in women's 'biological nature' to be in the kitchen, next.
@@Capybarrrraaaa They've started .
Yes, Helen is exactly the sort of person we need arguing the case. The more I hear and think about this issue the crazier it becomes. How has it got to this point? I sincerely hope we all come to our senses in time.
We were sledgehammered, there was no slow process. It's astonishing.
It always reminds me of all those people who thought they were Napoleon in the 19th century. something in the zeitgeist pushed them there. Except they tried to treat THEM rather than pass laws they be called Napoleon.
Or someone saying they are Admiral Nelson and the Dr decides the best treatment is to affirm their belief and remove their arm.
Everyone will miraculously 'come to their senses' when the money makers move on to their next fraud.
These laws Shapley single sex spaces were secreted in behind our backs and without the consent of those the laws affect (women and girls).
This woman is erudite and well spoken. She has the power to change minds.
Also, bin the IEA.
What a clear thinker. Theres a refreshing no nonsense feel to what she says, that rings true for me. She also cuts to the chase....the real reasons behind much of this, that also rings true.
And here is where a religious person like myself completely agrees with an atheist like Ms Joyce: we must have freedom of believe and freedom of speech
I'm an agnostic atheist myself. This woke cultural revolution that we are fighting, us religious and non-religious who value classical liberal and enlightenment principals need to work together if we are to dethrone this evil ideology from influence and positions of power. I hope this will bridge the gap of acceptance between Christians and non-believers. We share far more in common than not. Do you follow James Lindsay? He's been leading the charge against Wokeism. Check out his TH-cam channel at New Discourses.
@@Vorgaloth That's kinda' funny. "Agnostic atheist", since they have different meanings.
I know Christians that are pretty cool people, and they have their heads screwed on a lot more sanely than all these secular people gone nutty, and willing to chuck the whole truth of biological reality out of the window.
I know James Lindsay's site. I can only listen to so much of that insane philosophical garbage.
There's also biologist Colin Wright, and Dr. Miriam Goodman, tackling this issue.
There are more doctors speaking up, and I can't believe this insanity has gotten this far. The sad irony is so many people have no idea how bad it's already gotten. Or, they just don't care.
Why do you say that, religion has nothing to do with this.
@@Vorgaloth Agnostic and atheist are synonymous there's no need or sense in using both. Ideas and beliefs are more than a word salad dude. Read more.
beliefs are only valid untill the study is peer reviewed, than it either becomes truth or error.
Definitely women are and will suffer from gender policing and authoritarianism. Always women concede to the "social obligations", not men so much. Love this analysis!
Nobody asks women to be so weak minded. A lot of women are weak minded themselves and blame it on society. These women then love nursing a grudge for the rest of their lives. If they can't find another individual to blame for their weak minded decisions, they'll blame society. Of course everyone out there wants to push their agenda, including the women who decry other people's agendas. That's the way the world works. It's up to the individual to stand firm and make the right decision for himself or herself. Apparently, that's too much for women to do. Women are physically weak; but they don't have to be mentally weak unless they make a conscious choice to be.
@@extemporaneous4545 people Do ask for women, to submit and therefore choose a lower position, hierarchically.- it's done.
You're incorrect, then. Still, folk in hell>ice water. Women don't Have, to cooperate it's just prudent because of our physical existences, to be strategic and stubborn.
@@8thhousemoonrabbit205 Please explain to me so I can understand. I don't mean to put anybody down. But in a democratic, law abiding society, no one is ever able to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Even if men are stronger than you, the law will protect you. It's not like you're an Afghanistan woman.
The advocacy is "gender policing" either way.
Even if I grant you all preconceived notions you might have around trans people;
Cis-Women will be hurt no matter which policy is adopted
(As they are already (from both sides) in this moral panick)
Some things just can't be legislated over.
This woman is simply a clear thinking, tree of knowledge...and radical trans activist religionists are doing everything they can to stop ppl from biting the apple
Love this conversation! I will be seeking out more material from Helen Joyce. Thank you for posting!
The book is great.
Helen is a hero for standing up against such illiberal insidiousness.
Lol hellen is actually pretty clueless on what trans peoples lives are about. Hahahaha Hellen like. Really doesn't know biology and well she really can't make a point clear. So much jumping around a d hypothetical. No real discussion here just trivialisation of people who they know nothing about. Amusing they know. EVEEEERYTHING on here is comple false. Take it from A transperson themselves. One who actually know what it's like to be trans. Not non transpeople.
Not sure that you can have insidiousness, lest you get insidious insidiousness
"Illiberal" being a cognate of sinful?
I was thinking she was a hero but this conversation was kinda racist. Her implying that white people wanting to be trans racial is because of the benefit of being black is ludicrous. There is absolutely nothing about being Black in America that is advantageous. Nothing. And if you think that the same lunatics wanting to go from male to female for the sake of taking over women's spaces wouldn't also want to take over spaces belonging to other races you're crazy. The goal is to self Id as anything you want to without any pushback.
There would be none of this mad pansies imagining that they are women monkey business were it notfor the religion modernism insisting that homosexualism or sewerism be tolerated and decriminalised-which was a huge mistake almost as huge a mistake as letting women vote, which I would modify to only letting women over sixty vote
What is "insidiousness"? Illiberal can mean all sorts of things, but you take it to mean sinful do you not?
I refuse to participate in anything that asks me for my pronouns. No exceptions.
When in such a situation, I laugh and say that pronouns are just soooo 2015, and that, instead, I insist on being referred to with my adjectives, which are "brilliant" and "sexy." Because I have absolutely zero fucks to give about this insanity and best of luck canceling me.
@@michaellevin2979 perfect!
I love this woman! I've been saying for years that if the critics would just stick with the facts, it would be so much easier to stop this nonsense
Ah but you bargain without the official religion modernism for the purposes of which all sorts of filthy anti-natural perversions are virtuous.
I think real beings of the passive sex or women object to fake women because they see them for what they are, namely caricatures of real women and they do not care to be caricatured-effectively mocked. They also find it irritating that mad pansies that imagine themselves to women incidentally suppose that being a woman is a matter of form or looks rather than function, and I think miss joyce puts her finger on it when she identifies the relevant paraphilia as autogynephilia although not in terms.