Why trans activists are intellectually incoherent - Julie Bindel & Bob Jensen | Action Men
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2024
- Julie Bindel speaks Bob Jensen who is an academic and writer based in New Mexico. Bob has authored several papers on the damaging and exploitative effects of the porn industry. On the podcast, Julie and Bob's feminist critique of pornography; why they have both become disillusioned by the left and how Bob got cancelled when he weighed into the gender wars.
// SUBSCRIBE TO THE SPECTATOR
Get 12 issues for £12, plus a free £20 Amazon voucher
www.spectator.co.uk/tvoffer
// FOLLOW US
/ spectator
/ officialspectator
/ the-spectator
/ spectator1828
/ thespectatormagazine
Theme song written and performed by Jon Barker © 2020 Jonathan Stewart Barker
Publisher Jonathan Stewart Barker 100%, administered by prsformusic.com
Recording © 2020 Jonathan Stewart Barker 100%, administered by ppl.com
![ถ้าพี่วุ้นท้อง แป้งจะท้องไปด้วยกัน !!!! [ดูคลิปเต็มหน้าช่อง] #Short | PANG ORNHIRA](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FeyEnVMwitA/mqdefault.jpg)
"Men's angry reactions when you don't treat them the way they think they should be treated"
is just what "trans women" are displaying when women (especially) don't treat them as women.
They still have that male mentality.
Yeah, they act like the men they are the minute they don't get their way. Congratulations , it's a boy!
I don't agree past a point. I'm not a man pretending to be a woman and then insisting I be treated as such. But if an angry feminist "treats" me in a prejudicial or antagonistic or simply hostile way, I don't have to accommodate her projections.
Agreed: biological males don't belong in women's only spaces.
Hits the nail on the head.
The man posturing and screaming, “IT’S MA’AM!” is quintessential example of the very masculine rage that supposed trans-women display when they are challenged.
Nothing says what a misogynistic movement it is more than the threats of violence against women but not men.
I thought the same. It is probably men thinking they are owed sex again.
How else are women going to be put back into their rightful place?
@@zadkiel242I think that is the idea; and to make gayness taboo, once again. Isn't it funny how right-wing the achievements have been, anti-woman and anti-gay, for a movement that purports to be leftist?
@@janelliot5643 Someone has to set things straight right?
The refusal to discuss the trans issue is a strategy. Like the way they kicked Bob out of the bookstore. They brag about that. The misogyny behind the trans movement is off the chart.
Bullshit.
Gender critical feminists are the ones that block anyone who disagrees with them
'Trans' is misogynist and homophobic to its core. LGBw/oTheTQ
Yeah the only people discussing this issue is everyone on the internet. So much refusal.
@@SuperKripkeyet none of the mainstream tv news channels and such will they just gaslight. Nice try tho. Of course the public is discussing it , while the establishment pretends it doesn't exist. Classic leftism. "It's not happening" and "it's a good thing it's happening "
Julie Bindel is the OG of gender critical feminism. She took to much backlash from the queer activism faction, and here she is 20 years later being proved right.
Julie is a man hater. That's the reason she has been black balled from society. I agree with her on some issues, such as "Transgenderism". However, she implied in this video, that ALL MEN ARE BAD, but we "are not born this way". That is the most disgusting, man-hating mentality of any feminist I've ever known.
She's a treasure.
She's also not "gender critical" as far as I know, she's simply a radical feminist. So-called gender-critical folks are usually randomers from across the political spectrum who don't care about abolishing gender but just want things to go back to good old blue for boys and pink for girls, more or less
That word queer is horrendous too. Im a gay woman queer and the alphabet ruined the gay movement.
I wish they would just abandon the term feminism altogether. It's synonymous with misandry these days, and I doubt Julie holds that viewpoint.
I'm old enough to remember when protesting porn was a normal part of feminism.
Who are you to police people looking at porn, Ms Puritan?
@@morganm4768 Who said I wanted to police it? I just think everything about it is horrible and soul-destroying, but by all means, you keep at it, hunched over your screen like a little gremlin.
Easy. Back then, women couldn't go on OnlyFans and make 'easy' money 'directly'.
@@morganm4768 Porn is woman abuse. Personally, I would police it.
You must be pretty old then.
One doesn't have to be a feminist to go against pornography.
Agree but I see feminism everywhere these days. I didn’t think identity politics was a right wing play.
@@lostincredulity5369 Feminism is bullshit.
Or against rape and violence.
@@SereneBobcat sadly most rape allegations are false.
@@lostincredulity5369 no they're not. You have nothing to back that up, it's just a glib, misogynist comment. It is true that most rapes are not reported and that when they are a miniscule amount get to court and very few result in convictions. In the UK it has been irrefutably demonstrated that the number of false reports of rape is in keeping with the number of false reports of other crimes. Around 2%.
It’s all about feelings and not facts. You can’t have a rational discussion with an irrational person.
What intellectual lightweights the students of today seem to be. I remember really great debates with people with opposing views throughout Uni. It expanded my world view, helped me understand my own position and often changed or broadened that position. In our generations, we did not know where we stood on an issue until we could successfully debate it and either win or make substantive points that well refuted an opposing view. Now days, students have opinions based on what someone told them, do not research it, claim it is backed by science (which they never show), then shout down anyone who they even suspect would disagree. It's not about the truth or the best way forward for everyone, but what serves oneself best and often at the expense of others.
When words end, wars begin. The left can't and won't communicate! Their talking "points" aren't cohesive and make less and less sense the more I try to make any sense of it. I miss the debates of yesteryear and you DIDN'T always get to debate the side you agreed with 😂
This is because many uni professors are in fact Neo Marxist activists rather than researchers.
This speaker is a perfect example.
A very good summary of "higher education" then and now.
The problem is guys like this speaker Jensen. A prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect. He writes articles on economics, on biology, psychology - when his only qualifications are in journalism. All his is in reality is a Neo Marxist activist. Can you imagine this guy giving both sides of the story to his classes?
you have nailed it
This is utterly bananas. And if you ever talk about this to the left they’ll gaslight you and say no one ever gets cancelled?
Other people watching porn is none of your business.
@@morganm4768 Triggered are you? By any chance do you watch porn?
@@morganm4768until it affects your family.
@@morganm4768 No man is an island unto himself.
@@morganm4768 It is when it ruins men having decent relationships towards women, and effects all of society.
A man can become a woman but a white person can't be a black person.
I'm 50 and want to identify as a senior citizen...I feel like one. Can I be a senior citizen and get my old age pension?
I have too......duuuuuh.......everyone has had bad experiences with agressive abusive men.........BUT I LEARNT THAT IT WAS THE TYPE OF MEN I WAS CHOOSING to be with that was the problem.
Yes bad people exist and theres little wishing it werent so can change that.
Not ALL mem( or women) are bad so we NEED to learn THAT AND learn HOW TO DISTINGUISH between bad and good people.
THAT ....IS....LIFE!!!
@@mindyourownfuukingbiz6737 True.
The fem movement ruined things for many women too.
They got all uptight about the bathing suit part in Miss America. Stupid.
A man cannot become a woman. Maybe he can become a male without a todger.
Ironically race can be fuid unlike sex
In mixed race
A man can become a woman legally, but a man cannot become a woman.
Civilized people discussing current topics is a rare treat. Excellent video.
The problem is that there are biological differences between men and women and to pretend they can be educated away completely is dangerous.
I actually disagree with this endearing assertion, 'You can be a real man or you can be a human being'! I think the men who inherently think as Bob Jenson espouses here, and live in the way that honours it, are absolutely, 1000% REAL MEN! A 'real' is secure and doesn't need to prove anything about themself.
Thank you for this beautiful, encouraging, educational and edifying interview, Julie Bindel and Bob Jenson.
Yes but Bob just defers to women for a fee, which is fine if you are an academic in our woke universities. Not so much if you wish to be sexually active or actually have a life purpose beyond a doormat.
Ironically one of those moronic statements that keep men from feminism.
#TerfsWereRight
I think this applies to all activists, none of them have the best interests of the majority at heart. As the great Thomas Sowell asserts: Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.
It definitely doesn’t apply to all activists, but I’d agree with the proposition that it’s most. Especially Marxian activists, which pretty much all feminist activists are. It’s all about liberating their respective oppressed identity category, and often, as you said, to the detriment of society-whether said identity category is actually oppressed or not. It always deteriorates to the goal of equal outcomes, which requires the demolishing and subversion of the very societal hierarchies and structures that allow society to function, as well as the active oppression of whoever is perceived as the oppressing identity category. Marxism needs to be viewed in a similar light to Nazism-it’s certainly killed more people, and will again if it’s not stopped.
Nah, that's a populist exaggeration and generalization as well. Doesn't help at all.
Excellent. I've been looking for a podcast like this for a while without really knowing what to search for - thrilled to find it and delve in. Thanks a million, Julie Bindel et al!
The cancel culture we have today sprang out of the political correctness of the 80's or 90's. It started with not being allowed to use words like "postman" or "busboy" and now we aren't allowed to point out facts.
Thank you so much, Bob, for the excellent critique of the trans ideology.
The problem with identity politics or the oppression Olympics is that in a race to the bottom a lot of people's feelings get hurt.
I am of the opinion that NO ONE can be offended. 'Being offended' is giving POWER to someone you disagree with, who didn't ask for this power, and doesn't deserve it! Don't give it to them. Don't be offended.
What comes across quite strongly in the stories of being deplatformed without explanation or discussion is where are the grown-ups? It is all so intellectually lightweight and childish.
The grown-ups are too distracted with trying to look and feel like a 20 year old 😂
I don’t see why Rachel Dolezal can’t call herself black when she grew up with black kids, and this is how she feels about herself. After all, it’s a culture, not a race, really. She has more of a claim to her identity than people who claim to “feel” female. What does it mean to feel female? I’ve been female my entire life, and I don’t know what it means. Am I feeling female when I got picked last for softball in high school? Am I feeling female when I had my period? Am I feeling female when I wanted to wear a cute dress and when I was attracted to a cute boy? I suspect it’s these last two things that make people who aren’t female believe they “feel female.”
9:42 well said: "We're trans and we're normal! Now hand over the puberty blockers..."
It's wonderful hearing from such thoughtful, really well-spoken gender critics whom I'd never heard of before like Bob Jensen. Very heartening knowing he's fighting the good fight in Austin; he might actually inspire some to think harder and do some learning. Many thanks to him for soldiering on in the face of such mistreatment. Who knew tenure would become so necessary to defend basic ethics and common sense.
Who are you to tell people what to do with their body?
@@morganm4768 It helps if you understood ethics so perhaps educate yourself on the topic that is of course if you are able to do this.
@@morganm4768 Go tell that to the thousands of women and children that are trafficked for porn. Are you REALLY that ignorant!
Wonderful conversation, thank you both!
Unfortunately, the people who kept participating in the lie and believed themselves to be kind are the ones who paved the way for the onslaught on the rights, boundaries, and 'identities' of others. A reminder that participating in lies only ever feeds lies.
There is a major mating crisis and a growing demographic shadow. Its time to support cooperation and long term strategies because without well brought up children there is no future.
only in small affluent pockets of the planet - the majority of poor nations are firing out babies like fury.
Leftists generally don’t breed, I guess we can be thankful they aren’t passing on their genes at least.
Personally I think thats the end game. Its what they want. What ever happened to all the people crying about overpopulation for 20 years? They started supporting trans ideology instead. Bill Gates is a good example.
Ms Bindel is the charming seductive face of feminism, and because of her charm and intelligence, a great interviewer. I love this series, and applaud The Spectator for affording her this platform 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great sarcasm there
I'm a 70yo man who thinks porn is utterly pointless. It's like looking at an ad for a plate of spaghetti: it looks attractive but I can never eat it.
Seriously man. 100%.
There are 3 billion men who can prive you wrong. Porn has more net traffic traffic thank all other sites put together. You are wrong snd your opinions don't matter.
Way to miss the point. It's like saying sweatshops are pointless because people there don't produce quality clothes. Sweatshops are bad not because they don't produce the desired effect, it's because they are synonymous with human rights abuses. Same with porn. You're 70 and still think with your dick.
Except imagine the ad for spaghetti was addictive and contributed to s3x trafficking
“That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works!”
Thank you, my feminism is reinforced and as strong as ever after listening to this conversation.
Post op 32 years, never an activist. Stayed in my lane.
being a normal person that minds their business and lives their best life is a rarity. All the best to you and yours.
Should you want to, I hope you feel free to openly express that without fear of being attacked for internalised transphobia, etc. Because from what I've observed, that is the experience for people who take the position you do.
When I used to be supportive of trans people, it was to support people like you. I went from being an "ally" to being revoIted by anything related to the -community- cuIt. Sad.
Love you, Sister!
@@Anne_Onymousyou can still be supportive of normal, sane people, no?! I don’t understand that. Many people in the ‘community’ don’t like how a loud minority really bugger up their peaceful, respectful life. No need for that.
I think you can get more men on board by showing how it is not a tug of war. At the moment, each side sees it as a zero sum game, where if one side wins, the other one looses.
If you can present it as a win-win, it will be easier to get everyone to align.
There is a big antiporn movement coming from men, but their concerns are not really about the violence against women that it presents and encourages and more about the sexual and social consequences it has for men themselves :
- the epidemic of erectile dysfunction amongst young men,
- incapacity to achieve orgasm without pornography or masturbation (a lot of men cannot achieve orgasm inside their partners because of decreased sensitivity or "death grip syndrome"),
- porn addiction ruining their relationships,
- the decreased in their drive to seduce women or to have actual sex,
- decrease in drive to do... anything at all (depression and retreat into the self),
- needing more and more violence and degradation in the porn they watch to achieve anything and ending up looking at fetishistic content, rape videos, snuff films, content relating to pedophilia,
- a lot of increase in strange paraphilias from young men due to porn wrapping their tastes from a young age (sissy hypno porn, autogenyphilia etc etc),
- the hentai guys not even being attracted to "3d women" anymore,
- decreased capacity to feel romantic love for their partner,
You can find those communities on reddit communities like r/antiporn or from initiatives like "fight the new drug"
We need each other & we are wasting time, money and energy with the man v woman battle. We should unite to improve our species.
Excuse me, I'm off to join some TRA group just to be on any other side than Bindel.
I think you are expressing exactly the false concept of feminsm (a tug of war) they both adress in the video. Men are also suffering from patriarchy and patriarchal ways of thinking which are deeply ingrained in our souls.
It starts in the family. Parents need to educate themselves so that when raising sons and daughters, humanity, kindness, understanding and etc are the values being imparted.
Yes! This is where it starts! With the family.
Either you’ve never raised kids or you’ve never read any biology.
@@hugolindum7728Nooo
Great interview!
Loved this! Thanks Julie and thanks Bob ❤
Thought- provoking interview, thanx.
You ask the important question of how to interest men in the aims of feminism?
For what its worth, and speaking as a man:
1) The term itself, 'feminism' , is problematic for many men. Unfortunately, and to the detriment of men and women, the term is widely understood as being hostile and anti man, 2) Is it not time for a radical rebranding? Is it not time to present its principles and values as 'redeeming' and enlightening and beneficial not only to men but the whole of society? 3) Finally, the shift came for me when I grasped that every woman is at some level my 'sister' and I, their 'brother'...We can disagree and become frustrated with each other, but to routinely disrespect or exploit each other, , is not normal - it is a sign of 'family' unwelness and 'maladjustment'.
While I understand your input, no, it is not time for us to water ourselves down and erase ourselves or take "fem" out to be "more inclusive" or less threatening. If calling ourselves feminist, if centering the rights, concerns and needs of women
"is problematic for many men," I dont see how men hung up on the simple NAME of our movement are ever going to help us. It is not time to "present its principles as 'redeeming'" whatever that means. If it means make it more palatable so the boys will play with us,
All aboard the OhHellNo Train to F*ThatS*Ville!
So as a matter of interest, which part of my input do you actually 'understand'?
I could provide many examples, but do you have any idea what it feels like to be the 20 year old, new father, who wants to co-parent, but is repeatedly excluded by hostile 'feminist', anti-male, social workers? 'How could the 'perpetrator' possibly care'? (eye roll). Or to be only opposing voice in room full of seething 'feminists' advocating for the virtues of sex work as a legit career path for young women....
Like any worthwhile cause, the so-called 'feminist' movement has its fair share of skeletons in the cupboard, and strategic cul-de-sacs....methinks it's time for thoughtful reflection on strategic partnerships going forward.....
That's a good point. The term itself stresses the feminine side of it (women) although it's more about overcoming patriarchy which is structurally ingrained in everyone and we all have struggles to overcome those patterns. And thanks for opposing / questioning sex work. :)
Great talk I love the points you raise and thank you for sharing with us the responces you've recieved. I feel less alone now as I have shared similiar questions and been bullied by people of the trans movement myself. As a non bianary person I feel that these questions are fair and honest and need to be answered and discussed logically without throwing hate around... I have never experienced such hate as I experienced going to an LGBTQ meeting and being told something was wrong with me because I was ok with my body and that I should want to be trans. Why must everything be sexualized?
Because unfortunately, the lunatics have taken over the asylum so now you can expect nothing but lunacy!
I agree. They also argue that the sex organs are not how you gender someone.....whilst saying they are in the wrong body and want a sex change.
Please make your knowledge more available by participating on other platforms as well. Thank you for the information.
Thank you for this discussion.
I find the trans movement's arguments and actions to be exasperatingly illogical. There is a glaring distortion of language e.g. a dismissal (maybe it is because of ignorance) of the use of metaphor and simile. The metaphor saying "transwomen" are women - plainly false - is not even acknowledged as a metaphor, let alone an invalid one. The simile "transwomen are (superficially) like women" is plainly true (and yes more nuanced that those few words indicate) and utterly ignored. Transwoman is not a synonym for woman. Transman is not a synonym for man. I think those two examples are illustrative of the intellectual incoherence of trans ideology. A further incoherence, this time in law, is the concept of 'doli incapax' or the principle that children (and yes the legislated ages vary) are incapable of criminal responsibility because their reasoning, and understanding of the consequences of their wants and actions, are not yet fully developed. Notwithstanding that, under the rubric of 'gender affirmation' such momentous processes as taking puberty blockers and undergoing transsexual surgery are taken to be fully informed. One of the most idiotic trans assertions is that someone has been 'born in the wrong body'. We have restrictions for chidren regarding: tobacco, drugs alcohol etc but (mostly) not for transitioning. In 'transworld' contradictions abound.
we are listening to your talks! Keep going!
Julie is a heroine of mine. Thank you Julie for your Northern strong woman, thoughtful but no nonsense approach to life and for all the important work you do.
She's an idiot
Yeah, insulting men in the opening seconds is sure gonna build allies..
Yet the whole series about honoring male allies. LOL Plus I just watched the first three minutes an there was no insult. So what are you talking about?@@aclark903
Thank you for creating and posting this conversation.
Bindel as brilliant as ever!
Absolutely ❤
Radical feminists are nuts.
Great conversation, could listen to you both all day!
Love your lack of ego Bob Jensen. Great clarity.
Lovely interview! Thank you😊❤
It's a joy listening to you both. You're so calm and level-headed.
Paul
Man
New Zealand
Yes talking about "white supremacy" in a society that hates whites and patriarchy in a society that hates men is just *so* level headed. 🙄
@@incurableromantic4006 English please? (pun intended).
Great conversation!!
You could "talk to him forever". I could listen to him for long periods of time.
Spot on.
Bob touched on the real issue, by advocating nurturing, or being a good role model for boys.
The real issue is parenting of all children and especially of infants. It is a mess. We see the results all the time, everywhere-good and bad.
Anything else is shutting the barn doors after the horses have bolted.
Or herding cats, to be less defeatist.
Thanks both of you
Lovely chap!
Great interview
brill ,quality discussion ..i will watch this again .thanks
SMART & INTERESTING
(THE BOTH OF YOU )
Very thought provoking discussion.
I would have always considered myself to be "left" wing but am being pushed to the right. I think that the definitions of right and left have changed to the point where they are not recognisable to older people, ie over 40.
Excellent series, more of the same! JB is a legend, and Bob joins the long list of brave people, who have done absolutely NOTHING WRONG!
No, she's an unhinged radical feminist.
I listened to your talk! I have not heard of some of the topics you speak about, but I think you have made me realize that I am a feminist, by the way that I respect my wife and treat her as my equal.
Thank you to you both, for deep and important information about women and men ( and transgender ideology ).
Excellent discussion
Nope. I'm fully human and a real man. Not a "real man". A real man. Pretty much agree with everything else.
Great conversation thank you
As a recently graduated MD who is also extremely left-wing, I have been criticising the trans movement for years and have argues with many (I live in Europe) on gender-affirming surgery. I am blown away by this interview! Please: Which three BOOKS on feminism would you two recommend I read on feminism and the key topics connected to it (feminist critique of pornography, surrogacy and prostitution)?
😊Love your channel. No bias. Reasoning that makes sense. Take care
Aged 6 I went to a battered wives hostel with my mum and we were rejected because some of the women opposed me and my 4 yr old brother staying there. It was such a shock being told they saw us as a danger.
I appreciate hearing from both of you. The trans movement has caused many to realize that many who would not normally think of themselves as allies, absolutely are in this area. Liberals and conservatives. Julie, I’ve seen you with Douglas Murray. The trans movement threatens women, no matter our politics. I’ve noticed the working together is happening more. A couple years ago, it was so depressing mit seemed like we were losing so much. In the last couple of years, there has been a lot more working together and we’ve accomplished a lot more. I know we have many differences, but we’re on the same page on the trans thing. Thank you for your message.
Truly it’s cringe feminism if you ask people to ban the prawns from their eyes and plates .
Why?
This stuff ive been trying to explain to people for years!
I love this series, I really wish there were more places I could listen to Julie and Bob
Intellectually incoherent, at least. Low T with the men; high narcissism with the women.
Thank you for mentioning the violins in this movement. YT bans my comments if I use true words.
I myself was a*s*s*a*u*l*t*e*d by a TPA in Nanaimo
Yes, I noticed this too, TH-cam and Reddit do not allow anyone to question the identity cult.
I’m sorry.
Julie you interrupted where Bob was going with his point a few times. It's very annoying, i wanted to hear him finish.
I tell men what’s good for the goose is good for the gander ; if women aren’t happy , men won’t be happy . Treating women well is in men’s self-Interest ; must appeal to self-interest.
So MLK's vision shouldn't be upheld?
This extra focus on race is why we're further divided than before Obama (on race).
I agree with most of the things said, also with the views voiced by Julie Bindel, Helen Joxce and Kathleen Stock etc on other occasions.
In addition I want to share a few thoughts. I hope I can express them halfway ok, as english isn't my motherlanguage.
I think the comparison to blackfacing / whites trying to impersonate black or indigenous is partly a good comparison and partly not. It works with men claiming to be women, but less with women claiming to be men. As men like whites are in general structurally priviledged, but women (who claim to be men) are not. On the other hand ftm trans people aren't those who are so much offended and fighting gender critical people so hard. Also they aren't part of the discussion in most cases. Again biological women or ftms aren't often even recognized/mentioned in these discussions in th general public although especially young women are the bigger group wanting to transition (often (not always) due to body disphoria due to mysoginist environments/experiences) .
Imo this whole development is a sign of the patriarchy in it's late (maybe? hopefully?) endstate.
I see all these gender affirming operations and medical interventions (at least in it's masses of cases) in comparision to how we as humans treat the earth. Our minds think we can do everything with the earth / our bodies (-> a weaker form is the beauty industry with it's beauty ops) instead of accepting, loving and honoring reality/the material world. And with saying this I don't want to blame individuals who really feel a lot body dyphoria. It's just more the societal level of our minds I want to adress.
Regarding gender ideology which comes up with a new identy each month, mostly among young people but also older ones joining in - I'm wondering whether this is some sort of mental overkill too (thinking that you can do every with the body/earth is mental overkill for me). People are searching and searching in deep despair to define themselves and trying to find the most individual identities possible. Individualism is especially a western trait of the ego being entagled in your feelings and hurts...
All this instead of just realizing you are a soul in a male or female body.
The stressing of ideologies and mind over body are also very patriarchal ways of being/thinking.
As many have already stated there are other signs of patriarchy involved - the medical industry -> capitalism and also the backlash of gender roles -> you must be trans when you express thoughts, habits and behavior fitting to gender clichees of the opposite sex.
oh, and Bob's criticism of the left being a liberal movement stressing the individual approach instead of structural criticism and the incoherence between saying you aren't ill, but demanding medical treatment was eyeopening. Thanks for that!
I didn't agree with many points of this video, but that final statement of "you can be a man or a human but not both" is absolute garbage.
Yeah, it sure is. It could have been stated better. Real men and human beings are synonymous. Colonized men and human beings are not.
In my language sex and gender are same word, and language is gendered, it makes it so much easier to not to let this bulshit in) just because there can't be linguistic and mental gymnastics made to differentiate woman and female
Getting there but still pretty insufferable.
Julie- the Labour Leader seems to have allowed his daughter to identify as his son. In a recent interview he says he has two ‘boys’ - 13 yrs and 16 yrs old. How can we trust a leader who clearly is lying and captured by gender ideology?
Politicians no longer represent mainstream beliefs or people. They are talking to the minorities who are active on social media because political parties today don't know how to govern, they are election-winning machines.
Keir Starmer has pretty much announced that he has a child pretending to be the opposite sex. This is a huge issue for the electorate but there’s no sign of it in mainstream media. Censorship is rife!
Who exactly are you to police people's language?
And you?@@morganm4768
@@morganm4768 Better still, how about answering your own question? Cleary you do not understand irony. LMFAO.
Why don't you all just keep it in your own bedroom?
Why don't you just stop stealing your own time by listening to something you don't like? Stick to your own advice.
this was excellent, thank you
Julie Bindel is my heroine.
And it has taken stuff from. It's taking our right to be men away.
❤Julie Bindle ❤
‘REEEEEEEEEE!’ 😂
I just scrolled down the comments and the first comment was spam promoting porn!!
💔
The way the world is coming at me:I support feminism but it continually tries to force me to support and buy into a radicalized form of feminism that gives a nod to a trans using their bathroom while going out of their way to psychologically destroy men who just want to live as men. I'm glad the algorithm's gave me the chance to discover her and the amazing guests she has on. I'm going to reach out to this guy.
I'm a bloke. A conservative white blokey bloke.
I listened to your duolloquium [sic]. I giggled at the hilairious literato burlesque. But, I'm still a bloke.
I need bullet points.
Apolitical bullet points.
Is it enough to provide, protect, respect, challenge sexist beliefs and behaviours, avoid derogatory language, active listening and empathy, empower and encourage, respect boundaries and consent, advocate policies that encourage gender equality, listen, validate, show compassion...
Need I go on.
Am I missing something?
Same with race, Shirley?
I’m a women’s liberationist .
Its an ideology, and ideologies don't have to make any sense.
I appreciate the identification of how trans "thinking" can not reconcile with itself, but I'm not sure I'm buying into assertions about what is proper behavior in various cases.
And the repeated assertions regarding how the patriarchy is just woven into things comes off a bit as off-handed excuse making.
Regarding our biological sex driving us toward this and that, it can be a little complicated. But we can't deny the studies that have shown that the more egalitarian society becomes in the West, the more the sexes freely choose to gravitate toward more "traditional" capacities and interests, in general.
It was good to hear people were able to see past the guest's bravado and masculinity, though.
I would put forth that women are not blameless regarding how many men react negatively when treated a certain way. There's a reason they view themselves through the eyes of others. You'd think a group that mistakenly blames the patriarchy for them feeling as though they have to cater to modern beauty standards would be more open minded to that.
“We don’t hate men. We are hopeful. We just think if they’re raised differently, they could be acceptable.”
Who comes up with that way of raising boys, and how is it enforced?
If only Abigail Thorn had the guts to engage with Julie Bindel
Why do people say, "dirty pictures?" when they mean, "pornography." I have a theory, which I discovered thirty years ago when I attended the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. With one exception, the janitorial staff kept the show immaculately clean. I found the exception at the auditorium dedicated to pornography. It smelled like stale tobacco and whisky, which came from the cigarette butts in the over flowing ashtrays and the used beverage containers that also littered the table. So I figure "dirty smell" equals "dirty pictures."
Nope dirty pictures is not from the dusty smell but from when porn was printed the dry splurge that would crumple up the paper and give it a weird feel if it's been used a couple of times
Julie is simply the greatest. My heroine and inspiration. Even with her prejudice against panettone
She is prejudiced against men, which should ring more alarm bells.
hero
Real men protect women.
Real women procreate men, & trans women, in fact ALL of us!
I found this enjoyable on two fronts. First, I’m thrilled to see people recognizing and discussing (as these two have for a long time) that this ridiculous trans ideology is truly intellectually incoherent and also truly damaging to the rights of women that have been hard fought and won, but are now slipping away.
Secondly, I found it truly amusing to hear this obviously intelligent gentleman make multiple comments about capitalism as if it were some type terrible idea instead of system of voluntarily association and economic interaction that has consistently raised more people out of starvation and deep poverty than any other idea that a human mind developed. And then throw in a few ‘comrades’, etc. and we see that, even though get clearly gets the serious threats posed to women’s rights by trans ideology, he clearly doesn’t have a damn clue about basic economics and the inherent problems with socialism/communism and its refusal to acknowledge basic human nature..
😂👏👏👏
I don't know what I believe as far as the trans ideology... For me, so long as you're mentally well and an adult (over 25) then it's fine if you're trans. I like to listen to both sides, but I'm really tired of the animosity, lack of debates and "cancellation,". I wish we could just talk, do research and come to an understanding, but each day I feel more and more hopeless in humankind and it's ability to solve problems without tearing each other apart.
So he is saying what I also believe - trans ideology is not "left" wing at all. Much of trans doctrine (anti homosexuality, girls wear pink, boys wear blue etc) is actually very right wing. The trans definition of gender is so utterly old fashioned and sexist that I cannot understand why more people don't realise that it is conservative.
No it's not right wing. Sorry, you can tell yourself that, but it's almost entirely propped up by the left.
You can think what is ideally should be, but without the left today, this trans cult stuff would have died long ago.
Unfortunately the left has done a 180 on what they used to believe (as a party platform).
But trans expression certainly isn't, which you can see by who attacks and supports it, who uses it as a club to beat the other side with.
"Theres nothing wrong with us" I'd love to see the statistics on how many trans people are on SSI or another form of paid disability.