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- Warhammer 40,000 quite often ends up in those popular scifi vs scifi articles and videos, and it always comes out on top. Why? Well, watch the video and you'll find out. Because it's insane, basically. Is Warhammer 40,000 too over the top? Too extreme? Or is it just about awesome enough? Let me know in the comments!
PS: Yes, I know not all Orks can kill a Space Marine in one hit. It was an extreme example of relative strength. It does happen though. Quite a lot, when you look at various books/cutscenes etc!
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Star Trek fans want to live in star trek.
Star Wars fans want to live in star wars.
40k fans DON'T want to live in 40k.
KommissarKek accurate
star trek is kinda good but fuck any other universe. I dont wanna live in a universe with a civil war happening everywhere or a war between ancient humans who are now robots. Or fucking 40k.
I would hate lo live in any of them
KommissarKek speak for yourself I want to be a space Marine
Unless you are either one, one of the Chaos gods or two, a daemon
Why? Cause For me and my brothers and sister, and fuck all you guys and your anathema, who once crashed a space hulk into one of my crystal gardens
*How do you travel the universe?*
Star Trek: We use warp speed
Star Wars: We use hyperspace
Halo: We use slipspace
Warhammer 40K: We go through hell
The tyranids use magnetism to bend reality.
Minecraft: We go through hell too
Doom: You guys too?
TheVerendus warhammer was inspired by minecraft confirmed
Doctor who: We use tardises and the time vortex
AND the most insane thing about all this is that every faction(aside from chaos) is currently in a weakened, decayed, or a remanent of their golden age. ALL OF THAT OVERPOWEREDNESS is not even 5% compared to the factions when in their prime. The Imperium had the Human federation which was approaching the inter-galactic level, the Eldar has the Aledari Empire, an empire that owned the 40k verse for 60 million years, and the Orks were once the Krork, a 12-meter tall, hyper-intelligent race with a complex society capable of everything the Ork can do, but better 10x in every way. The Necrons in their prime beat literal eldritch gods like the Old Ones and the C'tan, even fighting the Aledari Empire and krorks as well. You can honestly say that Chaos is actually the weakest faction as any of the other factions in their prime could beat its ass in every fight, the only reason Chaos is so dangerous is the corrupting ability and the warp that can always respawn them if they died, if a faction was able to take away/counter those two prime abilities, Chaos is boned beyond description.
The Tau are the only race that really advances technologically, because they have a fraction of the population of the other factions.
They're only able to stand a chance because they have railguns as their default weapon
The Tyranids and the T'au would also be on their best time right now wouldn't they? I mean they can improve, but they are not the remnants of a glorious past, at least not yet
@@elalto3492 Tau are too young and not anywhere large enough to be considered in overall galactic threats. The Imperium can drown them in numbers, the necrons could turn them to atoms, they use AI and all sorts of corruptable tech, so chaos will fck them up, the Eldar would use them to oblivion, Orks don't even need a justification, Tyranids will eventually overrun the entire galaxy. I feel bad for the tau, they came into the galaxy when the galaxy is in it's twilight years, only a few millennia away from being destroyed.
@@elalto3492 But the Tau have two distinct advantages over the other races. First is that they have a very dim light in the warp which makes them near invisible for chaos and thus they have very little to fear from chaos. The second is that they are actually able to innovate and they innovate quickly. They have not yet reached the peak of their power, mainly because they are hemmed in by the imperium on one side and the orks on the other. The Tau are still in ascension while the peak has already passed for the other races. As for the nids, the nids aren't a civilized species, they have no technology and no culture. So saying they have some kind of golden age or some past or present glory is not really applicable here. They are intelliegnt, yes, but they don't think as the other races do. They are a 'merely' a hyperadvanced predator.
@@tranquilthoughts7233Well they aren’t civilized in the same way as the rest of the galaxy. They’re very clearly a hive mind intelligence that has no real need for culture or anything of the sort.
I'd like to point at the Necrons who can just at will detonate stars, and have defeated a literal species of gods that eat stars who tricked the Necrons into giving up their souls. They then use the fragments of these gods as attack dogs.
Ain’t got shit of the forerunners
Correction batteries
@@HydratedBeansthe necrons killed the 40k version of the forerunners
@@stringisacrow5959 the 40k version were far weaker
@@HydratedBeans granted they might have been the lore on them is kinda a bit scarce we know they made the Eldar and the orks along with some of the smaller races but we don't know how strong there weapons were
The philosophy of 40K is “If everything overpowered, nothing is overpowered”
Except if it's the Ultramarines.
DOTA balancing is this supposedly
exc for the poor poor ig
"when everyone is super, no now will be"
And that’s f*cking true !!!
By his estimate, there are are 50 trillion guardsmen.
Most call that overkill, 40k calls it inadequate
yeah I think that that estimate because most hive worlds have a few hundred billion inhabitants, not 6 XD
Well. There's worlds with many many billions people. So you'd have even a billion guardsmen right there. But also not every planet has even 50K guardsmen. But most would ans it would. Be in the vast millions at the very least. So it's closer to 500 trillion.
"Most of you will die, but this is a sacrifice I am willing to make"
That number seems low for some reason
@@kriss3d Armatura alone had a garrison of 1 billion guardsmen.
As a military commander you have to think of spacemarines as a tank with the maneuverability of infantry, the speed of mechanized infantry and the modus operandi of special ops. You also have to keep in mind that every spacemarine is a tactical and strategic genius with decades or maybe even centuries of experience in nothing but war.
Aaaaand some of them are like John. We don't talk about John much, we just let him have his crayons.
Not maybe centuries.
Probably centuries.
With a brain that makes a quantum supercomputer look stupid.
As I say, in our world the space marines would literally be a one man army.
Yeah, but there are not that many of them.
As far as other factions being just as powerful, I love the fact that the primary weakness of the Necrons is that theyre too petty to work together, and as such are preoccupied with 65 million year old feuds between leaders
No, that is not their primary weakness. Their primary weakness is that the vast majority of them are still asleep. If all of them woke up the next day, the tyranids are no longer the scariest thing around.
@@Rurik_Luci At least you have a chance of negotiating with a Necron.
the imperium has same problem
@@chigchong2805 Nah they have way better cohesion compared to the Necrons, because it actually exists somewhere beneath the beuracracy, machinery, and blood unlike the Necrons.
@@concept5631 ig but they are all spererated with civil skirmishes often breaking out while its to an lesser degree i still think the imperium has the same problem.
Stars wars: Sir we lost over 40000 people in this massive battle. we need to retreat
40k: only 3 billion losses for one small moon, lets add 3 more for good measure
Life is so cheap in 40k that I can actually buy _"lets risk throwing another 3 billion into the meat grinder just to be sure"_ as a viable military tactic.
@@kana22693 When in doubt, drown them in a sea of peasant blood.
Only three? I smell heresy...
And yet, there are plenty of military organisations in Star Wars that are far larger than 40k. Just in the core films alone, we have the Galactic Empire and the Separatist Droid Army, which are larger on an order of magnitude.
70 million casualties
HAH THAT'S A ROOKIE NUMBER
Funny story about Orks
A group of guardsmen and their commisar are holding out against a wave of orks, and eventually they run out of power packs for their lasguns. Unfased, the commisar picks up a guardsman's weapon, points it at an oncoming ork, yells "BANG!", and the ork falls dead. Amazed, the guardsmen follow suit, orks falling left and right. A few minutes later, a group of orks come running towards the position, not dropping to the men's loudest 'bang's; only when they get closer do the guardsmen hear them chanting "I'm a tank I'm a tank I'm a tank!".
OJNixon w-w whahahababababababahahahahahahahhahahahahahha Jeeeezzzzzzummm
OJNixon
Please tell me this is cannon
It would seem that the only way to defeat an Ork is to play on their level
Orks are the ultimate example of the power of belief
NGMK it could well be. belief is power in the warp and no other species demonstrates that bettar than the orkz
A star wars laser rifle equivalent in 40k, the lasgun is seen as a flashlight relative to the threats they face, that just goes to show the scale
A lasgun can blow a person's head apart with a single shot too
@@M4421-Oif i recall, it also NEVER JAMS (although i could be wrong).
@@spudnik4305 They're Very reliable. But not infallable. You can drag them through mud, muck, sand, and still fire just fine. But sometimes the machine spirit gets testy and you lose the magazine's charge.
a star wars blaster is not a laser weapon. ;)
No, the Lasgun is similar in power to an autogun, and star wars lasers are more powerful than that.
Good thing you didn't mention the cream of the crop guardsmen planets, Tulwarn, Valhalla, Armageddon, Cadia, Catachan, and Krieg. Those planets produce insanely skilled and well trained warriors that even space Marines nod in respect to you (especially if you're from Cadia, an astartes will nod and pour one out for your no longer planet).
40k's overall power is middling relative to the whole of science fiction. People who say otherwise aren't sufficiently familiar with the lore of other franchises.
@Lennard Church powerful when compared to the average mass appeal scifi.
@@lennardchurch8483for example? To kill a stormtroopers you just need to throw a rock a them 😂
@@willy4170 My theory is that Ewoks throw rocks as hard as Hobbits do, rather than just anyone being able to throw rocks hard enough to take them down.
@@willy4170 halo's forerunners
Warhammer 40k is like the cartoon were two guys keep pulling out bigger guns and it never ends.
tottaly disagree warhammer 40k isn't about who is stronger. I would say we from the start know a lot about some characters who are over any powerlimits, about gods etc. warhammer 40k main theme is - suffer. it doesn't metter who you are - you will suffer non stop. even primarhson of living god. the normal people litteraly belive that primarh is gods - and still the suffer. the whole races are suffering always close to be destroyed the suffer. even necrons who are race of soulless robots who are overpowered in wh40k universe and the race who killed or slaved their own gods - they are suffering. I would say I do not remmember any big victory in wh40k at all. yes you can win a battle or something like that . even stoping horus herecy doesn't feel like victory at all. every victory more looks like just like complete 1 task at the work . Even Kadia. yes for imperial it is a lost. but for chaos is it victory? it is like more 1rst step. and for some people Kadia fall - make some of them stronger
@ancient wizard *pulls out bigger gun*
@@ancientwizard3055
Human: Dying for the emperor isn't suffering.
Nurgling: These blessings aren't suffering.
Tyrannid: Planet taste good
Orc: War fun, haw haw haw haw!
Drukhari: What is the difference between suffering and pleasure?
T'au: What do you mean "suffering"? I don't know what that is.
@@manictiger human - when you are 100% loyal and mister inqusitor think that there is a small chanse that you are not loyal, and arrest you and start torture and asking a question about things that you didn't know that even exist. like warp chaos, magic. ye man it is suffering.
cult mechanicus who degenerate so hard that toaster become great thing at the same time while you are traveling on the huge planet size ship and deep inside you u understand how stupied you are compare to pre horus eresy mechanicus.
@@manictiger chopped on half tau can feel suffer.
orc who wasn't fighting like for a month I said a 1 YEAR WITHOUT GREAT WAAGH.
Drukhari: we just killed our last slave and white scar is hunting us on the web sad face.
Stormtrooper: *misses*
Imperial Guardsmen: *dies anyway*
Honestly I don't think a stormtroopers blaster would do much to a guardsman, their armor and weapons are only shit by the standards of 40k, to everything else their gear is actually really good.
@@Nyghtking their general armour is a slab of layered armour and a steel helmet, even modern ceramics are better protection than that even against lasers.
Imperial Guards Lasgun/flashlight has current modern day MBT devestation power.. its just everything else there is OP
@@LoneWulfHunter if a lasgun hit like an MBT, you do understand that itd be the boltors being used by regular ground troops right? At that kind of power based on sheer thrust to weight ratios, a Space marine taking a torso shot from a lasgun would go flying several dozen meters like a small car being slammed by a flat nose m1a1 sabot, what your describing is some midling between a lasgun and a lascannon (lascannon is over a 100 megawatt laser, a.k.a. the sheer impact of the laser is a minimum of about 17 modern hand grenades detonating in a single spot similtaneously). Based purely on power consumption when being charged (few hours in fire, a few more in sunlight) a lasgun is in the watt to kilowatt range, or about 1,000 - 10,000 ish times weaker per pulse than a lascannon. The reason things explode when hit by it is that its almost definitely tuned harmonically to water (think of a microwave oven) and thus causes small steam explosions on damp, fleshy, or wet targets. Hence why it rips off unprotected limbs andmoccasionally (not always) detonates on terrain.
@Chaz Hagen lasers are by yheir very nature a beam of high energy electrons that have matched or exceeded the speed of light and are now travelli jg in a superimposed band of particles that also behaves like a wave. Quantum theory 101, light has mass.
A important thing to note some quotes say “ he rules over a million worlds “
Others say “ he rule over uncountable millions of worlds “
and most guardsmen are also the best of there planet and each planet has defensive forces
They would probably be on par in toughness with Special Forces such as the SAS, CAG, SAYERET MATKAL and GROM
Something to note is those are all based off imperial propaganda, and star wars alone the empire has 1.5 mill regular planets, (aka they don't have 40 different type of planets that has like 4 thousand people that have spears as there primary weapon) with almost 70 million Colonies, the only reason people think the imperium wins against any scfi universe is because it's treated like fact, but in the end of the day the imperium would crumble under it's own weight if you took out it's own plot armor
My favorite shorthand way to describe why space marines are nuts: “Something that big shouldn’t move that fast.”
As a counterpoint, if a space marine tried to board a Star Trek or Star Wars ship they'd just be stuck in a tiny hallway.
They probably get stuck in a door not the hallway
if the hallway or door is too small, they rip open a dozen new doors and shoot anything in sight
Send in the kriegsmen
I dont know why, but I'm just imagining an astartes "Austin Powers"ing himself lol
@@rz7282 AVENGE ME BROTHER!!
Its hard to beat a universe that is balanced through an arm's race between each of the writers favorite armies
Not particularly, WH40k is low mid tier
yeah, the factions of warhammer universe should be pitted against universes with broken power scaling. shit like early dragonball.
@@sneedfeedandseed2410ragon would do horrible, a psyker just needs to rupture the heart of a Saiyan or the blood vessels in their head
@@josuke3698 it'd be entertaining, seeing them endlessly come up with loads of bullshit tricks to counter eachother.
Because the point of 40k is that no one faction has any actual advantage.
The easiest way is to say "The Scale". In Star Wars, the Star Destroyer is the mainline Battleship. It would be a Cruiser in 40k. The Super Star Destroyer that is the OP Dreadnaught is the size of standard Battleships in 40k.
Which is a shame for 40k, because they really aren't producing a lot of cruisers anymore.
40k has space hulks which are so massive they generate their own gravity and even have their own atmosphere
An Imperial II Star Destroyer is the size of an Imperial (40k) heavy frigate at 1.6km long. Super Star Destroyers like the Executor-class are actually twice the length of an Imperial battleship.
@@AGrumpyPanda depends on the battleship and the source between 8km to 10km-15km and the bigger battleship class the Gloriana class battleship is around 20km, the biggest battleship of that class is 26km in lenght and it´s the Macragge's Honor The current flagship of the Ultramarine Primarch ,Roboute Guilliman
@@deathtrooper7760the cast vast vast majority of them are on the lower end, and those that are on the higher side aren't really any better, becayse they run into a simple problem, 99% of there guns are on there sides, so if they want to shoot something they have to spend 40 years turning to get a shot off, in which case basically any ship of any size class could have just fled the battlefield in the time it takes to line up a kill shot
I would add that from a storywriting perspective, 40k really benefits from being set in a 'fallen' or 'post-peak' universe: Each faction (minus the Tau) there *was* much stronger in the distant past, but lives on as a shadow of its former glory. This gives stories two major advantages: you can pull a superweapon into the plot with an easy justification ("ancient archaeotech weapon that was long-forgotten and just recently rediscovered") and just as quickly write it out of any future stories ("It broke and we don't have the schematics/It got possessed by a Daemon/AdMech filed it away on a Forge world for 5,000 years of study before they might let you have it back").
Even when the writers don't explicitly write those explanations in, it lets readers seamlessly fill in the blanks themselves. By comparison, in almost all of the other sci-fi universes mentioned, it's hard to explain why the protagonists (or antagonists) suddenly got their hands on some superweapon/near-magic tech. "How did Scotty/the Empire/ONI just suddenly *have* this technology? When/how did they develop it? Why wasn't it used earlier? Why doesn't it show up in later stories set in this universe?"
This helps paper over some of the lore inconsistencies in 40k (and there's quite a few...) and other writing errors, making the universe as a whole feel more believable despite the comedically over-the-top nature of the setting.
“Hey what happened to that ancient spaceship that used time travel as a weapon?”
“I think it just kinda dipped out of the galaxy.”
Honestly the Primaris are the funniest example of that. In any other universe an improvement of the already superhuman soldiers would come from new technological developments. Imperium? They had whole caches of these guys sitting on ice for thousands of years since the Imperium's Golden Age until Big G would wake up and give them their marching orders.
To compare it to Halo this isn't the Spartans being created, this is the Didact returning and bringing the Prometheans with him or the Protoss awakening Spear of Adun and then warriors sleeping on it.
It doesn't help in my opinion. Because if it was as useful as its supposed to be, surely it would be a top priority to find and recover.
Like imagine the Death Star just went missing one day. Don't you think that the Empire would be expending every resource to try to find the thing? Because the obvious implication is "oh shit this can and probably will be used against us".
SW: "We have AT-AT's."
40K: "We have churches that walk."
SW: "What?!"
40K: "what?"
“This walker has 4 turbo laser cannons, armor capable of shrugging off fighter weaponry, and space for several dozen troopers.”
“So a light patrol vehicle then?”
*cough* apocalypse class titan was able to be seen from orbit *cough*
@@mekhane.broken9678 because they destroyed the darn computers that had the information in them.
Going from automated design to paper sounds disastrous lol
Yeah. They destroyed the computers tho because they were afraid that chaos would corrupt it and steal the information and tech written inside (not the whole story but from what i surmise)
@@mekhane.broken9678 but then someone would have to know all of the schematics of the titian (i think thats what they are called)
there is only so much someone can see on paper or on stone.
you know in the height of the imperium, the factories could probably pump those titans out in a week, or maybe a month
Starwars: Open your mind and feel the force around you WarHammer40K: “and open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded”
the force is magic, and magic is heresy
Nice quote there from the 40k rules book.
Neutral View aha ty bro
Hey! Dawn of War's librarian says it too!
Open your mind with the fist of a space marine
Nerdy point on accuracy, the bolter fires a round out the barrel first which then ignites a charge and continues accelerating. So it's technically still a gun, just one that fires highly specialised rounds.
gyrojett be like
@@deadoger2934 mixture of both
It's called a rocket assisted projectile, he use them in artillery guns.
As one honorable space marine once said: "Abandon reason, know only war." That pretty much sums up the whole point.
Necrons: ancient, soulless robots who destroyed their gods and now use them as pokemon
That's the best description I've ever heard! 😂😂
True! play dawn of war soul storm you will know why
@@johnwillies7861 the necrons in that game are insanely strong. Just... free construction bots, free infantry and you can mass resurrect them forever. Like, I had a game where I got to have 40 full squads of necron warriors.
And kind of immortal
@@picklestheomnipotent4535
With enough buffs and effects they will not go down easily and they will not stay down when they do.
He ain't joking when he said every other race is overpowered because there's a race called Necrons and they use gods as double AA batteries and they supernova suns for fun
Not really that powerful although the comedic content of your comment is respectable 😂
@@detonater7441 HERESY!............. wait a min
Imagine if there were as many marines as guardsmen no one could stop the imperium
the prometheans from halo are essentially necron lychguard but you get to feel how annoying and near unkillable they are
@@HighSchoolHacks1 just weaker versions of necrons essentially
The black carapace is actually not armor. The armor is formed by causing the ribs of the spacemarine to grow a flat extension of the bone downwards in an overlapping pattern so that the ribcage of the spacemarine effectivly turns into a lorica segmenta. Also keep in mind that during the spacemarine transformation they get a diet that is extremly high in iron because part of the spacemarine transformation process is reinforcing the bones of the spacemarine with iron. The Black carapace is essentially just a layer of artifical, subdermal skin that allows the spacemarine to interact directly over the skin with their powerarmor and makes it so that the spacemarine can feel the surface of the powerarmor like it's their own skin. If the wind blows over the powerarmor it will feel for the spacemarine as if it's blwong across their own skin. Also, the installation of the black carapace requires the spacemarine to be literally flayed. The black carapace is then installed under the skin and the skin is sewn back onto the black carapace.
Feeling the environment through your armor as if it's your skin kinda defeats the purpose of armor, don't it? Since most of the environments space marines are in are hazardous, that must be excruciating. Imagine having a tyranid slash your armor, not even doing damage, but yet it feels like your chest was opened up
@@Chasing_Cloudz The purpose of armor is to protect you from damage. And spacemarine armor does protect the spacemarine from damage very well. Yes, the spacemarine does feel when he is slashed at by a tyranid claw as if it were his skin. But why would that feel as if his chest was opened up when all the claw did was leave a scratch on his armor? Do you think the black carapace extrapolates what kind of damage that attack would have done to the spacemarine if he was unarmored and then have the spacemarine experience that?
And that is before we even consider that the mechanicus is very easily able to modify the bodily sensations we experience. Dulling the sensation of pain to the point where the spacemarine gets a proper warning that he was hit but not enough to distract him too much is a very easy task.
Also, what do you think is worse? Getting hit but don't feel it through the armor and thus not realize that you have been hit or getting hit and getting a slight sensation of pain and thus realize that you have been hit.
The Celestial Orery alone is freaking OP, its like a touchscreen for deleting planets in 40k..
Yet it's middling compared to the technologies possessed by the Forerunners.
Civilian Forerunner mining ships blow up planets.
All Forerunner ships can scan the entire galaxy identifying even trace amounts of specific elements (which would render all attempts of the Necrons to hide literally anything, useless, because the Forerunners would have the real-time locations of all Necrodermis, continually.
The Halo Array targets the entire galaxy at once, far exceeding the Orrery's damage output.
The Guardians also have weapons that shut down advanced technology and can blow up planets.
So it's kinda like a real time interactive bullet schematic for the Xeelee, who uses galaxies as ammo.
@@user-ll9le5tg3t No they don't. That's hyperbole upon hyperbole from a years-long game of telephone in forums that's not actually what the lore says.
@@lennardchurch8483 Yeah, I do agree on that being hyperbole, but I was going off the low end without mentioning time-travel and the great attractor, both will which dwarf that hyperbole.
I miss read this as orgy
When a planet busting event happens:
In any sci-fi universe… The inhabitants break before the planet does.
In 40 K, the planet breaks before the defenders do.
Cadia still stands in our hearts
@@kilmindaro3 noo, stop, im gonna cry ; - ;
*cries in cadian
The 42th Guardian regiment of the Kyros system (my own army, nerdy I know but meh!) will honor the memory of Cadia and HOLD THE LINE!
The planet broke before the guard.
Star wars: the planet has been overun, we need to retreat.
Imperium: hehe exterminatus goes *VROOOOOM*
Exterminatus is a very serious process that is thoroughly considered and will be in application only if the planet is considered irredeemable and regaining will cost more than what it is worth
@@random40kfan57 inqusitors be like: wanna see me press this button again? and again?
@@gergokerekes4550 space wolves be life wanna get a 1v1 rematch
Throw a few billion guardsmen at it, then call it a loss. Gotta be sure.
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40K is so insane I wouldn’t be surprised if someone can actually die from emotional damage
the warp: ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF (deamons are emotions made manifest in the warp"
Well a god was created through pure debauchery and almost wiped out an entire species in that instant so death via emotional damage sounds fully plausible
@@santiagohernandezletsplay6813 You can outright die from just looking into the warp or a navigator's third eye.
or going On the trzech "tee pary"
or plaing in khorn " playgroud"
or enjoy yourself in finests of plesuers ofert by slanesh...
or Just be near to nurge
Fulgrum screaming in pain
2 important things to also consider is every legion of marines have special genes that make them near immune to disease/ poison, or have werewolf genes that make them extreme hunters.
The 2nd is the brain implants that speed up their brain functions so they can process information and think at super speed
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Malivamar and able to purge Xenos in more explosions
A bolter can punch through most shields in Halo in two or less bullets. Imagine what an Assault Cannon will do.
@@kevinyasutomi9790 when the prototype mjolnir shield took an inderect blow from a 120mm superheavy antiarmor missile, this shield being several times worse than the gen1 mjolnir standard shields, which in turn are 'exponentially worse' than mjolnir gen2 shielding. That is to say: more like 150 boltors off of KE alone for gen1 mjolnir, maybe 50 or 60 including explosive. And again, gen2 is "exponentially" better shielded than even that.
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 Would you like to see an assault cannon rip that to shreds too? Bigger caliber, 400 round mag. Those shields can't hold out against something with a high rate of fire and massive caliber plus little to no recoil.
@@kevinyasutomi9790 OK, and? I said the shield was about 150x more durable than what you implied minimum, not that its on par with a heavy vehicles durability. As for how well it'd hold up against an assault cannon, depends on actual caliber and rate of fire. If you can give me the actual calibre and fire rate i can do some basic, rough, translation from terms of .75 at 2x SOS to whatever the assault cannon would do. With fire rate i could then give a rough guess of how long it would last. Also, how long would a SM stand up under an assault cannon out of curiosity? My money's on the shields over the SM tbh.
In Star Wars Clone War was the largest conflict in millenia...
In Warhammer 40k the call it "Tuesday".
Then doctor who comes in with the time war and makes both franchises look insignificant when it comes to war
Imagine mondays
@@rosesarered675 not well versed in Doctor Who lore, but please, do tell me the details of the Time War.
@@rosesarered675 lol the War in Heaven would have a word with you
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In other settings killing entire planets is relatively rare. Where as killing planets happens on the regular in 40k.
Not nearly as common in 40k's canon as its fans pretend it is. If it were, the Imperium would have run out of planets thousands of years ago.
I mean, if we're talking universes at their peak, you'd be dealing with humanity during humanity's golden age where they had men of Iron, nano machines that could strip planets, robots that could lift tectonic plates with their jaws, machines that absorb entire stars to destroy solar systems, armour that makes space marine power armour look like health and safety gear.
Yeah, that's the only time warhammer 40k actually looks like a powerful universe.
@@kingnhonj954don't forget about the necrons, old ones, C'tan, peak eldar, peak orks and chaos at the beginning of the horus heresy.
And yet we pretty much always have to ban Q from getting involved for a debate to even start. Because everyone knows how "talking universes at their peak" goes if we don't.
Then Halo has the Forerunners, Precusors/The Flood, and all the ancient races.
Warhammer 40K always wins because 40K can't survive 40K.
The worst enemy of 40k is 40k itself
Peasant oh I hate tau, and I hate the tyranids, and I hate the imperium of man, damn the imperium of man... they ruined the imperium of man
@@mrginge143 The imperium of man is an absolute shithole, not even taken into account the constant threat of other xenos races. -No wonder why so many people join fucking CHAOS!-
-And looking closer, there's literally no setbacks for joining chaos, apart from horrible mutations, hideous diseases, getting fucking MURDERING CRAZY!! and probably getting assraped with a chainsword, but you'll enjoy it anyways-
Hehe, but of course is better to die in the light of the EMPRAH than to give in to the ruinous powers of KHEYOSS!! -Can I go now, inquisitor?-
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 Dude, a single xeelee would nuke the entirety of WH40K.
A bunch of Xeelee nightfighters would destroy the chaos gods.
Time travel is too OP for WH40k to deal with.
That's a sad reality of 40k
Give it few thousand years and they will collapse under pressure of many xeno scum
"Librarians can project visions of an enemies worst fears"
Darth Vader: Sand...SAND EVERYWHERE!!!!!
Vader: I've got sand, in my NOOOOOOOOOOSE
It’s corse and rough and irritating.
Librarian is standing on the high ground.
@@user-ro9zf9kz1h Librarian IS the high ground
But my high ground!!!
TBH just listening to the description of the Space Marines and the world of 40K excites me. The most awesome and ridiculous sci-fi lore EVER! Even the frickin LIBRARIAN is insanely powerful!
Are you not familiar with 40k?
How about the chaplain?
A space marine in full black armor and a skull-styled helmet, with only the shoulderpad bearing the chapter heraldy and colors, that carries a power mace/truncheon/scepter, that is responsible for checking if every space marine in the chapter is devoted to the Imperium and to the God Emperor, and that smashes the face of those who show chaos taint on the spot.
Star Wars's Death Star or Star Killer was a big deal. Pretty sure some people in the Imperium decided not to use that type of weapon against an all powerful enemy because it was 'no fun'
They have exterminatus, thats good enough, why waste effort to blow up the planet itself?
You mean exterminatus??
@@Niwona112 no, the necron star destroying ipad
@@guymanhumanperson he said imperium not necrons
The death star was a big deal because it completely destroyed a planet, even at it's most powerful extermantus had to happen when the plantery shields were down and even then only could chunk the planet if you used a lot of the most powerful kind of extermantus, which makes it similar to a base delta zero, which is just glossing a planet with a star destroyers main weapons
Clone wars: Oh the horror, hundreds of billions are dead!
The Imperium of Man: Those are rookie numbers! Gotta get those numbers up!
Yuuzhan vong war mate. Over 300 trillion dead in four years.
MyDuck IsOnQauck a normal day in the imperium as well
@@voxpopuli7910 I can't believe that this isn't a lie.
It's not a fudgin lie... Why is this not a fudging lie?!
@@danielawesome36 he is joking, not even the horus heresy had that many casualties
@@myduckisonqauck7227 yeh but the heresy was mainly between astartes and was a lot shorter than the zuuzhan vong invasion
Orks : gets force choked by a sith.
Other Orks : " If wez just hol' hand like such, wez can chokes people."
Rip the entirety of the galaxy
@Johan Åkesson SO05b just make sure other orks believe that
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?
I really wish that there was a "lol" reaction to this comment. Best thing I've read in ages!
Oh dear god, you just created orks with the force
2 years late but I think the better comparison is finding a guard regiment dedicated to the topic in question. Space Marines are the "poster child" because GW wants them to sell, but for each space marine battle the guard has fought on hundreds more battle fields across the galaxy. Now to admit my bias, I play guard and I love all the random lore. However, Cadia is the gold standard model and a single planet housing a regiment is the exception not the rule. Cadia, Catachan, Armageddon, Vostroya, Valhalla, Krieg, Atilla, Tallaran, and too many more are not the standard of 40k. In general we should and can divide them into: Fuedal, Penal, specialist, and "standard" (not this is how I like to break down legions it's not really official)
Fuedal legions are legions drawn up from worlds which have regressed to resemble the fuedal era of humanity though some retain stronger weapons such as the laslock. They tend to be a bit smaller when drawn from a single world.
Penal legions are legions drawn up from a variety of worlds and have criminals who were too bad to return to society but not totally irredeemable (think repentia from the sisters of battle)
Specialist legions are ones like Krieg, Armageddon, Catachan, and Tallaran specialize in siege, mechanized, jungle, and desert/ambush warfare respectively. These tend to be from a single world though that is not always the case.
"Standard" refers to legions that are close to Cadia but have one or two special characteristic. From being pricks to having an armor or weapon that's only produced on their home world. They may deploy independently or may be a model that's exported to a system or systems. These could be culturally distinct groups, groups that are drawn from gangs, groups that carry unique armors, groups with unique weapons, etc. etc. Additionally they may be entire regiments (which would have to be reduced in size given the size of a 40k regiment) or could be mixed together.
How 40k treats the guard is incredibly strange. They are the punching bag of every action, yet they still appear everywhere. Like ants where there is one there's dozens and where a threat appears they fight even if there are no chances of survival. Even when space marines run, when the enemy is mowing them down, and when the planet breaks below their feet. The guard has held the line for 10 thousand years, and they shall continue to hold the line.
The planet broke before the guard did, Cadia Stands!
In other scifi, certain tech tends to be nerfed in some way to keep it from being too overpowered. But sometimes the writers might add something else even more powerful, or the same thing but without the nerf. If left unchecked, you might lose a sense of scale for just how powerful the things in that universe really are.
WH40k is what happens when everything starts off way too OP because powercreep is the name of the game.
Also that's somewhat because most sci-fi settings take place like 200-500 years in the future at most, 40K on the other hand... Yeah
Actually, 40k is reversed powercreep.
EVERY factions (Except Tau), is long past their prime or golden age. Nercon used to rule the universe for 60 MILLIONS years. Gods were so scared of them that they had to trick them to give up their body. Orc which is the second most powerful faction right now was once highly intelligent while physically stronger than they are now. Tyranids are literally the Floor in Halo but actually won. It is rumors that outside of the Imperium, there are nothing but Tyranids and Orcs left.
Hack, even human are long past their golden age. ALL of human technology were invented back in the "Dark Age of Humanity". In 40k, there was no working competed STC (Standard Template Construct) anymore. They are usually technology that were decoded from pieces of this database. During Age of Technology, EVERY human group of colonists have one of these machine that are able to produce anything and everything. A machine that contain all of human knowledge. AI work side by side with human and ploit interstellar ships through warp. Current Imperium of Men, which is already more overpowered than all their other Sci-Fi setting, is not even 1% of a 1% of Human used to be.
Tau is the only exception (Maybe Tyranids too but little is known about them). They are still at the infancy and yet to reach their golden age. But other than them, everyone are "nerfed" to the ground in 40K compared to what the faction once was.
@@ghosthin3012its powercreep in terms of each new lore development, which usually goes backwards in time
That’s absolute truth!
The only “plot nerfs” which are existing in 40K are towards some of the Necrons, because they are technically the most op race in the galaxy who has quantum computers instead of their brains and use fragments of space gods as powerbanks/pokemons, so their leaders forced to be either insane or not being interested in fighting towards most other races.
The another one is Magnus the Red after Horus Heresy, who is technically capable of wiping out entire armies by force of single spell, or can blow gigantic titans with mind bolts. But in that case any conflict won’t be interesting with him participating in it, so there is a lot of weird stuff is going on with any plot connected to him…
"Long time ago, galaxy far far away"/"Space, the final frontier" vs.
*In the grim darkness of the far future, THERE IS ONLY WAR*
WH40k is military by its genre. SW and ST are not
Starcraft?!
@@jasonarthur5487 Start Trek. Starcraft is ussualy shortened to SC
Starship Troopers Force in form of scenario Where both start on opposite side of galaxi with 100 starting planets can win, by faster and bether FTL, progresiv technology (can produce same byg power armor), fast colonization. In short is Starship Troopers universe like what been before fall of technology.
@@iglidor Everyone in the Star Trek universe is a fucking pushover, bunch of heretics
40k is just the dark souls “YOU DIED” screen indefinitely
Or the Finish Him screen of MK
Oh God that's perfect
I want Dark Souls kind of game but in 40K.
I fuckin want it
Yup
@@masterzoroark6664 Not happening, buddy. Don't get your hopes up.
Fun fact: Warhammer does in fact not always win.
They somehow manage to lose to Star Trek
Warhammer 40k where every gun has the description of cutting through space marine armor like butter except for the standard guard laser gun.
Short answer: The original concept of 40k was born in the 80's, a time where hyper-violence and exageration was big in the media. 40k always wins because it is unapologetically absurd, exagerated to the extreme, and revels in every single moment.
Also, Waaaaagh.
waaaaaagh indeed
Get the flamer. *THE. HEAVY. FLAMER.*
And thats why its sooooo gooooooooooood uhmmmmm
My idea of Warhammer 40K is like the quantum physics in particles, but reversed.
You test it and looks like a wave, with photons acting like being in two quantum states at the same time (makes no sense), but measure it and bam! It is a particle, with definite quantum state.
Imperium of Man, however, is finite and limited. It has a finite power and a finite territory, which does not overlap with the other races and can, maybe, even lose to them. However, measure it and bam! It is suddenly infinite and uncertain, it makes no sense. Where does their power end? Where does their galactic control end? It cannot be infinite because there are other races out there that are even more powerful than they are, but you look at it and the Imperium of Man is *just imesurable.*
The number of individual space marines (and only them, not even counting guards and shit) is higher than the total count of quantum particles in the universe. Makes sense? Not at all, it just is.
How can the universe even support such insane living power? It can't.
It just is.
How can a single space marine with barely no magical power be so fucking powerful (like, *infinitely* powerful) yet die so easily (because the enemies are *infinitely* powerful too)? They can't.
It just is.
It is the joke.
*_It just is._*
The Emperor Of Man hey a fellow Russian badger fan.
I think I speak for the other imperial guard players, if we can not kill our enemies, we will drown them in our blood.
Death Korps of Krieg Soldier: "Did somebody say die for the Emperor?!" *fixes bayonet*
Well, you know. If clogging the meat grinder is all you got.
I PREFER ARTILLERY SHELLS.
"BY THE EMPEROR, They are numberless... But so are we, CHARGE!"
Ah yes, glorious Imperial Guard tactics, throw men, ammunition and material at the problem in copious amounts until the problem either disappears or you need something more powerful to make it disappear.
Darth vader: fighting a librarian
Librarian: plants an image of white beaches and flowing dunes into his mind
I basically got into Warhammer cause of this video. Just bought my first army.
Warhammer 40k: "You can't be OP if everybody is OP."
to be honest all got a major nerf after the war in heaven tho ... yeah its pretty much the stone age now :)
To be fair that's kinda the point of the Necrons. To be even more OP in an already OP universe.
@@HellsRaven4444 they are way spread all over the world ( sleep like a baby ) 🤣 .
It is true that almost impossible to beat catan/necron head on and requires many strategies to defeat it , but there are still some way to defeat them 😫 ..... Yea few or less .... Or maybe ..... I donno
Helian so underrated yo dude, who's that girl in your profile pic?
@@PCRouter Helian from Girls' Frontline
There's one category that Warhammer40k loses in pretty spectacularly in against all the others:
Which universe would be the most pleasant to live in?
IoM's Paradise and Pleasure worlds would want a word with you.
And average troop quality tactics wise
@@juliancalero8012 um, they do have good tactics and strategy. It's just a stereotype that IG is a meatwave. Sometimes they are because, necrons for example don't give a damn about your tactics.
@@t.va.6611 ikr
@@t.va.6611 Necrons:Are most common and least sophisticated small arms can shred your heaviest tank, because fuck you that's why.
And a Necron with a sniper is a literal portable halo ring.
As a massive star wars nerd, I'm not trusting anyone who has a Sequels poster on their wall XD
In the Star Wars universe, the destruction of One planet was the most terrible thing ever, in 40k, extarminatus is something the Inquisition does on tuesday afternoon just in case somebody on the planet might have been from the planet of Armageddon
And no one might not notice for a few decades that the planets gone becuase it's no biggie and papper work takes awhile lol
@@Andrew-xq7ni Yes, sometimes a planet has a civil war where they nuke the whole planet and then spend the next 500 years retaking the planet from heretics, one meter at a time, just to contact the Imperium and report that the planet is returned to the Emperor's light, to wich the Imperium's response is like; "Ok, that's nice, we totally forgot that you exist but, you just owe us some taxes"
@@sorkeror and they respond by sending more troops then the imperium requested without getting angry about being frogoten
This is being pretty disingenuous if you're referring to the destruction of Alderaan. There were a lot of compounding factors that go into why that planet being destroyed by the Death Star was such a colossal fuckup by the Empire.
No, no. The destruction of Alderaan is a big deal because its one of the founding generational worlds of the Republic and Empire, I mean bro, the planet is supposed to be one of those black bars that the IMPERIAL FLAG represents. It would be like if the Imperium dropped the Exteraminatus on Mars, that is not the same.
It's a never-ending cycle of "that's way too stro- oh no, it's dead" - best 40k summary ever!
Castigator Titan : it's the most powerful Titan in the history of mankind and all other titans are mere cheap copies of it- oh and a small squad of gray knights killed it
@@karvenman To be fair, the Gray Knights are no slouches by any sense. There's what, 1 chapter of Gray Knights, and they do a good bit of work for fighting all of Chaos corruption within the Imperium. To say nothing of their Chapter Lord, whose name I forget (forgive the heresy), who's been grinding demons in the Warp by himself for the past couple centuries.
@@panther-nk2hn yeah but at the same time, if they wanted to kill it, they should have used an actually impressive force and not just a small squad of gray knights.
They could have Kaldor Draigo pop in for a short amount of time, or maybe necrons and their doomsday weapons, or the Eldar and whatever big ass weapons they have.
All the writers had to do was use an impressive force and the death of the castigator Titan would have been fine
@@panther-nk2hnahhh, good old Kaldor Draigo, Commander of the Ordo Draigo.
Why Warhammer 40k always win you say?
*Because its the Emperor's will and anything else is pure heresy.*
Xeelee sequence.
Just try throwing your Battle incantations at the god-like race called the Xeelee.
The EMPEROR protects!
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 While we are going at it, why not include the Grey Goo from the flash game Tasty Planet?
The fabric of reality also became Its meal.
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 The most powerful feats the Grey Goo has shown is from Tasty Planet: Back for seconds where it literally devoured Everything but stops at the turtles of time.
What about Galactus highest feats without his herald's?
Well, it seems that I have just enough fire to purge this heresy
I think it’s this simple. Lesser universes have soldiers designed as a last resort or to defend. Space marines were created to conquer the galaxy, which if there wasn’t a civil war they most definitely would have.
Spartans were made to purge insurrection
Storm Troopers/Clones did take over the universe they were in
Warframes, its kinda in the name
@@mylesmaterazzo6037 Clonetroopers are basically organic droids
Im not an expert on StarWars but acording to what I remember the Sith Empire fell and rebuild countless times and all of it in just years. The Imperium of Man is 40000 years old and only once a long time ago was the Imperium extremely close to eradication during the Horus herecy, it's so gigantic that even a few planets rebeling is not importend enough to be taken seriously. Warhammer 40K is the turest form of OP or rather UltraOverOP. Like he said it's pretty much lunacy how OP it is.
40k isn't OP. It's just very hyperbolic and written by people who don't know how logistics work. If you actually created the 40k universe and they actually had to produce the food and distribute it to feed everyone, the Imperium would collapse within days, because it doesn't have the infrastructure to actually exist. And that's before you take into account their endless wars that burn through monumental amounts of resources they just don't have. The writers just made up big numbers and hand-waved the specifics to tell stories that sound like 12 year old boys came up with them on the playground trying to one-up each other.
@@lennardchurch8483me when agro world and suspension of disbelief
Storm Trooper; "We have a death star"
Imperial Inquisitor; "That's cute"
Orks Moon Ships from War of the Beast < Da boyz coming>
40K: Kills stars.
You do know that star destroyers can also execute something similar to exterminatus i.e. orbital bombing
@@matejperec6495 so why was the Death Star such a huge deal - if so many ships could destroy planets? If it was so common, why did Obi-Wan freak out when Alderan was destroyed - if it happened before? The whole reaction to the Death Star disproves your comment. All of that was added later.
@@GKinslayer To be fair, ther eis quite a bit of difference. A fleet of star destroyers can purge the surface of a planet with extended orbital bombardment, but that's somewhat easy to contend with. Your planetary shields can hold back their weapons while your orbital defences fight them off. Even if the star destroyers are in orbit unopposed it'll take them some time to wipe the planet, and the planet itself will still be there after it just lacking any life.
The death star can turn a planet into an asteroid field, at range, with little to no warning. No time to evacuate, no options for defence, and very little to return to after the event. That's why it was such a big deal.
And just because it could happen, doesn't mean it was common. Even in 40k Exterminatus wasn't common. The ability is there if and when it's needed, but it really is a last resort.
Literally any other sci fi universe: “But like this army is super strong and-“
40k: “shhhhhhhh... Tyranids”
The Necrons after the Halo Array is fired: "Where did everyone go? We can't even find the Tyranids."
The Necrons after the Forerunners' Guardians show up: "..."
@@lennardchurch8483 Get ready to be emped!!
@@lennardchurch8483 that would be a great way to kill the gods of chaos
@@ericsmith1517 heavily weaken at any rate... kill, errrrr that’s not assured, which tells you everything about the universe’s power level
@@MLaak86 Pariah in 40k are essentially just organic beings with no biological connection to the Warp, and this trait causes psychic energies to be destroyed in their presence (including the essence of the Chaos demons). And while it takes special conditions among life that came into existence amid Warp energies for a Pariah to be made, having no biological connection to a dimension that doesn't exist in their universe would be universal among Halo's forces.
To add on to the guardsmen population you should also consider the large number of basic civilians who are conscripted should there planet come under attack like we see in during the siege of Terra.
In one of the spacewolf novels, a marine loses half his brain and still lives. Another has his jaw blown off and still keeps fighting, and when the battle ends, he gives Ragner a thumbs up. 🤯
That's just because no space marine has ever used his head
@@calebbarnhouse496*space wolf
jaw I get but head? I just imagine he keels over afterwards. I cannot take that much wank.
Well you see, in Warhammer, people ride in tanks just to go up to other tanks, and hit them with a sword.
This made me lol so much. Its so true.
Get closer I want to hit them with my sword.
Yep it's style lol
Oh and great comment
@@boneythelynx8884 yeah it was a funny meme too. XD
"I can't slice the shit out of you without getting closer."
To quote Bricky
If Space Marine is a super soldier and Grey Knights is super super soldier, then Custodies is the soldiers that call Space Marine cute.
Literally.
A custodes to a space marine is what a space marine is to a normal man
@@Crinjal_2611 IT was
Why 40k wins:
Blue is the luckiest colour.
Gold plated banana.
If the standard Lasgun from 40k were brought to real life it'd be an anti-tank weapon
Now that's a bold proclamation. The lasgun is well known for it's insane lack of penetration on it's lowest setting.
The next higher setting has, some. But it's not going to penetrate, modern day equivalent tank armor.
At maximum, the point where the gun's going to explode if you fire enough, it could theoretically be used to harass light vehicles. Humvees, jeeps, the ilk.
It'd be more effective against humanoid targets, modern body armor doesn't really stand up to energy based weapons funnily enough. But lasguns have also been known to be stopped by sufficient quantity of human Meat before. Granted the heat ray las gun will perform quite well against said modern infantry. Easy three round burst where one shot could probably down a soldier if it's a good hit, two hits at most as it overheats the metal plates underneath and it becomes more of a problem for the soldier in question.
But Stub guns- advanced versions of modern arms, have been effective against normal Guardsmen. Planets have risen up and thrown off garrison forces before. They just meet...
Problems from things greater than a garrison force afterwords.
you're right, I was repeating something I heard a couple of years ago without thinking about it and now that I have well I was wrong@@nonya1366
No it wouldn't, a bolter wouldn't even be able to penetrate modern tank armor.
I would like to see the empire fighting against the imperial guard on a planet and thinking they are gonna win. Then the sky opens up as titans fall from the sky
Just so you know, the ATAT looks down on multiple titans, titans are by far the most overhyped part of 40k when it comes to power levels
My friend described 40K perfectly
"Everything is so overpowered that nothing is overpowered"
"When everyone's super; no one will be."
Isaac Martin That Incredibles reference is perfect.
just like a 10x tf2 server
Just like DotA
That is the perfect description.
Star Wars: *Billions Dead*
Imperium of Man: *PUMP THOSE ROOKIE NUMBERS KID!*
If imperiums high command hears a message "we lost billions" they are just going to shoot the messenger for wasting their time with such trivial info. Even trillions are not worth mentioning
@@Jebu911 thats sad,ridiculous,horrible,and awesome at the same time
the BIGGEST war in star wars legends had a death toll of 300+ trillion. that still doesn't compare tho
Wow is human population in 40k really that big? real question
@@alyrafsanjani6928 Some planets have a population of 2 trillion people and imperium has over a million planets so the numbers add up pretty big in the end. altho smaller planets have only 100billion people in them
I made the fatal mistake of reading ONE warhammer short story...and I haven't been able to escape the warhammer universe since...it's been 3 years now
40k allways struck me asbit of a parody on scifi in general, scifi has the trope of "around every corner is an even badder enemy/ an even more advanced alien empire and even bigger anomaly etc" and 40k took that and it didnt just turn it up to 11 it turned it up to 111. any major plotline in other scifi franchises would be anohter tuesday in 40k.
startrek: the borg are here!
starwars: space wizzards are attacking us!
stargate: religious space priests are attacking and converting us!
40k: well theres several daemon invasions there, there and there, theres 3/4 of an ork waaaagh that way, the hive fleet is in that corner and some guardsmen did a fucky wucky and woke up a couple of tomb worlds all in all its a slow century, casualties have only increased by 15% oh crap, black crusade just hit.. casualties are now up by 120%
You know how in Rise of Skywalker, when we find out that Palpatine has made a fleet of Star Destroyers that can each destroy a planet? And remember how everyone thought that that was way over the top and stupid? In the 40k universe, it's not just a reasonable idea, it's the Imperium's main fleet.
That's not even the main fleet. That's a small scouting party.
This is what got me into 40k
The problem of that fleet is that it just renders the Death Star as a stupid little ball, the fleet is bullshit in the context of Star wars
It is just a regular fleet
Last time I remember, the imperium of man only need 1 ship to destroy a planet, the rest of the ship are just escort fleet.
40k is the answer to the question-
"What is the worst/most awesome bad ending humanity could achieve?"
Xeelee sequence
Bad? That's heresy. The Imperium is good. Glory to the God Emperor
The Foundation would like to speak to you.
I think all tomorrow’s got the worst ending for humanity
@@heocon0541 Not really, The ending shows a new great empire of mankind and through everything they have gone through, They continued to a better future.
I feel like an astartes would be a really tough match up for a Jedi. They are super heavy so I would be hard to force push them, they are also familiar with fighting psychers. They shoot bullets which are almost impossible to deflect with a light saber. And they could probably tank a few lightsaber strikes.
Mass/weight isn't really a factor for properly trained Jedi. They can throw around starfighters, which are significantly more massive than Space Marines.
And Space Marine Armor is weak to super-heated plasma, meaning the Lightsabers would likely go through it like butter.
Bolter rounds are grenades the size of a roll of quarters, and since a lightsaber is liable to cause the grenade to explode on contact rather than be deflected, which could still result in shards injuring the Jedi. The Jedi's best chance is to use their superior speed and agility to avoid getting shot.
I'd say for most matchups the Space Marines would have the advantage, though Force Users with darker impulses might be able to use Force Crush to pulverize Space Marines without a fight.
@@lennardchurch8483 all valid points I hadn't thought about.
Technically a Jedi and Sith would be extremely difficult for an Astartes due to the fact that they have similar traits to Psykers and Psykers are notorious to be a pain to deal with.
@@taelorpickel2830 yeah this was before I knew more about warhammer lore and all that. A jedi could probably take an astartes 1v1, depending on who gets the jump on who. Darth Vader vs a Grey Knight could be really interesting.
In order to put things in perspective, this is what I tell my friends. Take the US's civil war era style of fighting, with men fighting shoulder to shoulder; take whatever image that is, and add in everyone having machineguns, body armor, rocket launchers; add in some air combat, artillery, super soldiers, reinfocements drop podding from space, huge fuck-off war machines, litreral demi-gods of war, magic, and multiply the original number of combatants by like a 1000 or so. That is just a normal day on a typical fringe world of the Imperium. Literally, a different level of the universe.
The 40k universe is like a bunch of kids in a circle going "Well MY faction can..." constantly trying to one up each other. It's great.
one kid says "Your factions are dead!"
No actually those are Grown-ups... That are like a Bunch of Kids in the Circle Going “Well MY Faction can...” Contantly trying to one up each other, it’s great
Orc's the faction made by the kid who joined last second and had to power scale FAST
@@phantomaviator1318 And another one responds, "Well fine, but they're still fighting!" Thus born were the Nekrons.
@@colinsmith1495 everyone gangsta til one kid says "MY FACTION IS GOD"
40K is the Australia of SF universes, everything is designed to kill you and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
The most accurate description of Warhammer 40k I've ever seen. XD
Australia is being ravaged by rats, cats, rabbits and frogs. Its animals are fairly poorly evolved because they spent geological ages in isolation. It has a few scary bugs because humans havnt been there for long to eradicated them.
When you live in a country where an Adder or a weaver fish is the scariest thing you will come across then:-
Great Whites, Salt water crocs, that sea snake, deadly spiders in the loo, giant toads , koalas etc.. are very 40K :)
www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2013/03/australias-dangerous-animals-the-top-30/
TH-cam red back spider biting snake.
Seen it happen a number of times with my own eyes.
This is the universe with a toad that explodes when threatened (killing everything around it including plants and machines).
Darth Vader: and remember: NO DISINTEGRATIONS.
Boba Fett, putting away his noiseblaster guitar: THIS OFFENDS SLAANESH
You also forgot to mention the one faction in 40k that could wipe all current factions out if they wanted to with minimal effort the grate old ones but they don't because they left the galaxy
The Great Old Ones are at best comparable to Halo's Forerunners, and the Precursors are far beyond them in terms of power.
@@lennardchurch8483 Exactly.
That quote alone explains 40k
"That's way too strong-oh no it's dead"
15:11 gosh its so right
It's a beautiful quote that sums it up so perfectly
FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS
You'd be surprised what not only optimus prime can do in 40k but the average cybertronian big or small
Before we talk about Cybertron optimus we must talk about optimus in General transformers has (had its weird)multiversal constants to some degree certain laws that govern transformers lore apply on a multiversal level let's break down a few
1)primus and the matrix:primus as stated is a multiversal lvl primordial god of order good and creation compare this to the parasyte gods of 40k who are a measly galactic(universal at best in case of khorne tseench with his shards gork and mork)now what the matrix does is create a direct link between the Prime possessing It and all previous primes this includes primus himself and can release his energy now that is mostly useless unless used against Unicron the primordial god of chaos basically optimus any point can just pull up to the warp open up the matrix and PURGE the entire warp of chaos bye bye chaos gods
2): cybertronian anatomy:unlike what first impressions would lead you too think Cybertronians aren't (just) robots they are metal based organisms with cells dna(cna)cybertronian anatomy has a funny little property of incorporating materials and technology that means optimus can pull up to a tomb world steal some tech and with a bit of surgery asymilate it into his cna necron tech and materials(necrodermis and Blackstone)alone would make optimus
-immune to psychic energy
-regenerate
-be able too resurrect himself
-be able to teleport
-be able to phase through matter
-be able to mass shift thus giving him FTL both for movement and combat
-his natural bio weapons would turn into gauss blasters (and if he got rocket pods from the tau he would have gauss missiles)he could also get the void shield from the Empire (and then his cna will turn it into smth like a gauss shield)and the advanced laser tech from eldar
IT GETS WORSE (or better)optimus is a large land vehicle so he can scan other large land vehicles and turn into em like say a doomsday ark winch has the firepower of a supernova
And all of that refers to the AVERAGE cybertronian not prime
Now if you want more well move in to prime
3)prime power ya see in order to understand Cybertron optimus we have too understand his megatron/Galvatron Cybertron is the third and last series on the Unicron trilogy to put it shortly lets start the timeline with Armada Megatron basically imagine primarch twice as big and completely made out of metal now a Megatron gets powered up by minicons(who all have a part of Unicron's power and becomes Galvatron now in Transformers energon Galvatron feeds in even more of Unicron's power and re becomes Megatron(he died in Armada well kinda)and then he feeds on super energon on Cybertron the divine life blood of primus and re becomes Galvatron then in Cybertron he grafts parts of Unicron's Corps onto himself and re becomes Megatron then he siphons the power of a cyber planet key and becomes Galvatron(and by extension optimus)has is atleast comparable to a daemon Prince one tiny correction if memory serves a planet key alone CST terraform the omegalock is need for that but the matrix can be used to make new autobot life oit of vehicles and a cyber planet key can be used to alter and inhance cybertronian anatomy so optimus can turn himself I to a jet if he wants too basically a fully enhanced Cybertron optimus can pull up to the palace the Emperor and all his primarchs and solo everyone at once not too mention he can just make an army others like him that are loyal to the autobot cause of "freedom is the right of all sentient lifeforms)
Also nine of this covers how our boy space robo jesus is a tactician a scholar a politician and a philosopher with a millennia of experience who only ever asked for freedom and peace
Plonks a Warlord titan on the tabletop, only to realise your opponent can take 5500 points worth of anti tank weapons.
@@cockypocky590 the Mechanicus would tear him and his chrome-covered followers to scrap for being xenos tech-heresy
I think 40k vs starwars can be best summarized like this:
You place a wookie and an orc in a room together, the orc now has some cash and a blanket
and teeth for his teeth collection
All within 30 seconds.
Sorry, not realistic enough. 2 seconds.
@@pandagamer-hg5be the teeth is the cash lol
@@ryanbailey3176 its lord of the rings
@@ryanbailey3176 It's Yo Mama
With 10th edition now out, and this is still the best description on how nuts 40k is vs (insert favorite army here)
Yeah throw on top of that Imperium Assassins and Inquisition... fun times...
Imagine a planet with a trillion Guardsmen and one Vindicare Assassin attacked by Halo's Flood. The outcome is the Flood has 1-trillion and one Combat forms with all of the skills of Vindicare Assassins to attack other planets.
All gods in 40k are nothing compared to the powers of Gork and Mork.
One being brutally cunning the other being cunningly brutal.
If they ever stopped fighting each other the grim dark future of the 41st millennium would end.
they also beat khorne because he interrupted them
@@Engifarting456 And Khorne İs still pissed about to it . To this fucking day
The four primary chaos gods are constantly at war with each other. They call it "the great game". Gork and Mork come rolling around is for the chaos gods the equivalent of the cat jumping on the table and messing up the entire board.
All fun until the old ones arrive
Heresy!!
My favorite comparison;
Star Wars: blowing up a planet is a big deal and the center point of most galactic conflict
40k: that’s Tuesday,
Also there is the war in heaven: a war so vast it belittles the great crusade and current 40k as much as 40k belittles other sci-fi universes
I think that war killed hundreds of quintillions of people
And yet mankind didn't even notice.
That was 60 Million years ago
Explains why we can't find aliens, because they all died in the War of Heaven!
Which is more than the Trillions that died in the Yuuzhan Vong War in Star Wars EU
As a huge fan of both Star Wars and 40K, I have to make the argument that Darth Vader, yoda, palpatine, and like could all beat the average librarian. People don’t get how overpowered the force can be. That being said, the imperium of man could curbstomp the galactic empire due to their sheer scale.
Having been absolutely ADHD obsessed with each of these fandoms at some point I'd say the answer is quite easy: WH40K is actually a lot of fun for a PG-13+ audience. Halo & Star Wars appeal to younger G-PG aged fans and Star Trek a PG (now PG-13 from reboots? version of space travel where everyone talks and space battles are about a few 'pew pews'. WH40K gives me at least the (grim) dark insanity of everything is overwhelming and it's all as meaningful as you want it to be. The characters are caricatures and it's on purpose and beautiful because of it.
It's really not, 40k is by far the most childish out of all them, once you remove the gore and blood, all you get is spectacle, star trek has plenty of moral dilemmas, and starwars has a lot of very creative and very well made characters doing grappling with actions to take, 40k goes grimderp to the point where where orks aren't even allowed to be fun most the times because apparently dark humor takes away from the grimderp they want to sell
@@calebbarnhouse496your point being?
While i agree that 40k has it's grimderp moments, comparing 40k's batshit insanity with star treks "moral dilemma" isn't even possible. 40k is dominated by the "rule of cool"
@@alperalyanak9627 maturity, 40k is more childish because it runs off having massive amounts of blood and life sucks, startrek at it's man being beat to death by a rubber alien and shoots him with a cannon made out of a log is more mature then the points where 40k trys to tell a story like there are real stakes
Read any of the Flood novels, and you'll take back the statement that Halo is a PG rated franchise.
Battleship in Star Wars: suffering from somewhat being touched by a tiny thingy not even in the main parts.
Battleship in WH40K: *LITERALLY DESIGNED TO RAM THE ENEMY ON FULL SPEED*
And sometimes they actually fly away after ramming because in 40k, ships are made out of rocks, magic concrete, and super metals.
@@JimJamTheAdmin The giant, armoured ramming prow at the front certainly doesn't hurt either. Particularly when it has a built in power field.
Ork ships are the ones known for ramming out of nowhere
Battleship in Star Wars: Literal Small Moon can one shoot planets
WH40k: Fliying Cathadrels
@@kraker0279 Are you calling the Deathstar a battleship? Wut? It was a war moon at most.
If a librarian summoned Darth Vader's worst fear, he would see an endless stream of sand
space marines make sand castles while darth vader hyperventilates.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Rogal Dorn making a sand Castle and Saying YESSSSS
*sand obtains high ground!*
I was actually about to comment that. God dammit. XD
Xeelee , The Culture , Whoverse , Downstreamers , apex Precursors ,Ancient Humanity and Forerunners from Halo and many many more would curbstomb 40k in any timeline so bad it would be EMBARASSING. The thing is most of these are rather old and nicher than mainstream media. I particularly LOVE to see Culture in 40k. Deeply hedonsitic but with such positive vibe to its hedonism with some tech that would look like magic to necrons and AI that are basically gods called the Minds. God the 40k would become a beautiful place to live in couple of millenia. They are among the most noblebright setting with some darkness of course. And have the power to back it up.
It would be interesting to see the imperiums reaction to ICoG.
Exactly. People exaggerate how powerful Warhammer is. Ancient Halo can easily contend with it, the Precursors would utterly annihilate any Warhammer faction, INCLUDING the Old Ones and C'tan. The Xeelee Sequence, Whoverse, and literally any faction in Manifold can send a single unit to the Warhammer verse and end it.
15:11 "that's way too strong, oh no it's dead" the accuracy 😂
Star Wars: "Sir we lost 10k of men.. we need to retreat!"
Emperor of Mankind: "We sacrifice 10k's of men a day.. to keep me alive"
Necrons “just wait a minute they’ll get up any second now”
And not just any men but psykers, which are rare.
I think you mean 10k men per minute
Don’t you mean 10 billion? Lol
@@BL-bg1fj He means 10k psykers killed each day to power up the golden throne.
40k quote: "For every planet that falls, ten more are brought into the fold. FEAR US! For WE count the lives of planets NOT men!" - Imperial Inquisitor while ordering an exterminatus
wipe out whole sector because you can.
Cept, nowadays, it's the other way around - for every planet brought into the fold, ten more fall. They're losing the Imperium, sacrifice by sacrifice.
(And then came 8th edition and the galaxy exploded.)
And people wonder why I stopped caring with 5E.
Yeah, ten more are brought into the fold if you count the Rogue Traders mischieviously gallivanting around and fucking shit up in the galactic fringes while making a fortune from which the Imperium at large likely sees about 0,1 percent of.
Heehehe. I love Rogue Traders.
The Imperium is so huge, they themselves don't know how huge they are :D
Insanely, there is a second brain!
Not quite, but near enough. One of the changes let’s them split their brain in half and threat the two halves as separate organs, allowing them to let one side sleep while the other keeps fighting.
In theory this could also allow them to keep going if a bullet went through just one side?
“The imperium has 1 million planets”
The forerunners have 3 million planets my guy and they even lost it the flood. Imagine the flood against 40k. Easiest wipe
The Flood would have to contend with concepts like the warp and gods. Things that cannot be consumed or assimilated. Perfect counters to the flood are Necrons, Chaos, Orks, ect.
@@sercravenmohead3631 so let me explain how the flood can combat all of those pretty easily, possibly even including chaos.
First the Necrons. The flood has something called the logic plague. It is basically the ability to infect something, organic or not, by convincing them that the flood is the only right thing or make them go insane and betray their own kind. It did this to the most powerful AI the ever exist (besides a precursor AI which is basically a god) by just talking to it. It betrayed its creations and destroyed the entire forerunner empire. The necrons are nowhere near as powerful as this AI so they probably could be infected pretty easily.
Orks next. What reason do you have that the orks can’t be infected or consumed. The flood supercell can infect any organic being. Even if the flood can’t directly control the orks bodies with them possibly lacking a central nervous system, the flood could still use them as biomass and turn their spore into supercells (the flood can infect individual spores and release them as a new atmosphere call spore mounds). The biomass they get can be used to create pure forms or great a bigger and stronger gravemind.
Last I have a case for chaos. In Halo Silentium that the flood literally infected time and space itself. They could literally disrupt and control faster than light travel and were spreading into alternate dimensions. The flood literally were becoming the universe itself. Who is to say they can’t do the same with the warp? Infect space and time to disrupt its ability and those inside. I’d also like to bring up that the flood would most likely be admired but nurgle and could possibly assimilate his power to become more powerful and he would let them. The gravemind is literally an omnipotent god and can possibly infect other gods through a higher form of the logic plague. The flood could use objects through neural physics basically controlling space itself to create objects. Now this is super hypothetical but it’s definitely possible if they reach an intergalactic keymind
@@Xtermenator217 Necrons aren’t AI, they’re sentient machines with their souls bound to them. In order for a flood mind virus to work it would need to subdue every Necrons.. that’s just not gonna happen they have the perfect countermeasures to atomize flood forms. If I remember correctly the composure creating the prometheans was very effective against the flood. Yeah the flood was successful infecting an AI and used its defense network to turn sentinel machines against the forerunners. Every Neceon is an individual, that wouldn’t work the way you think it would. There is nothing the flood could gain fighting the Necrons.
The reason why fighting Orks is problematic to the flood is in order to evolve and get stronger it needs to infect intelligent life. Such ignorance and stupidity might make a grave mind go retarded. I would argue that unless the flood is desperate for manpower they would avoid Orks because that would be the equivalent of someone eating lead paint chips off a wall.. that’s just a fun theory of mine you don’t need to take that seriously but Waaagh energy let’s Orks defy logic so the flood would be at a disadvantage because they can’t use it so none of the Ork Tek would be accessible to the flood and Ork weapons would be effective against flood because they believe it to be the case. Another infection not worth the flood’s time.
Daemons and entities of the warp cannot be infected, they’re not flesh and blood. I actually think Chaos would take a pretty proactive role in trying to stop the flood because theoretically Chaos could be beaten if everyone else loses because the chaos gods generate power from the collective emotions in the galaxy, one interesting thing that could happen is Nurgle making a cure to the flood or a disease that kills it. It’s chaos anything goes really so I wouldn’t put it past the god of plague and pestilence to be the one to undo the flood infection. The reason chaos gods are usually not bothered to do much is because they have relatively no threats, the setting guarantees them a steady growing supply of warp energy. If their food is in trouble I guarantee you’d face the full wrath of all four chaos gods. Nurgle obviously being the most potent here, he would devolve the Flood into nothing in my opinion. Another question is if the gravemind is sentient, does it have a soul? This might be reaching but if it does then it 100% can be corrupted by Chaos. Let’s say it could develop psyker powers in the 40k universe, this would just allow them to make the gravemind implode or teleport directly on top of it opening rifts to through the warp and doing whatever they need to do.
Also some honorable mentions while yes I agree the Imperium of man is gonna get it the worse I think specialized units are still gonna be effective and exterminatus can slow down the rate of infection, the Imperium is shown to be capable of quarantining its various threats. Master Chief single handedly packed up the Flood on his own, Astartes is an army of an even more lethal Master Chief. While infection of these units isn’t impossible it’s actually difficult because they had a hard time infecting Spartans and even Spartan 1’s like Sergeant Johnson was able to resist being infected without wearing any armor. An Astartes is durable even without the armor, they would be fine most of the time. Furthermore the Imperium isn’t made up of only massive hiveworlds with 100’s of billions of people living on them. Hiveworlds are approximately 3% of the planets in the Imperium. Most planets are “earth-like” with similar populations. It really depends on where the flood hits that determines the severity of the infection.
@@sercravenmohead3631
I think this dude is a little confused
A small flood containment will most definitely be dealt with in 40k
But (end forerunner war) flood dominate the 40k universe. Star roads are straight up broken
And forerunners dominate the imperium of man.
@@IvanGonzalez-eo5kj Probably not even that, nobody in Warhammer would take the Flood seriously, until it's too late.
Video: " *Why does warhammer 40k always win?* "
Me: " *Because to think otherwise is heresy and is punishable by death* "
This is a bolter.
Your argument is invalid.
DEATH TO HERETICS!!!!!!!
“I will convince you of my point of view using factual arguments-“
“and this heavy Bolter”
@@zikrihelmiamminuddin8240 pretty sure comic book universes have characters who would erase the God Emperor with a thought, and the entire galaxy. Comics are so broken it’s kinda absurd
@@anatoldenevers237 idk I get why your think that but the emperor can literally erase you from existence with a beam lol
40k also has the legend: Sly Marbo.
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LILITHS TITS!
Commissar Smith don't forget Kaldor Draigo! (btw, have you seen his sword?)
Everybody gangsta until the church starts walking
Well I'm not an imperator class but I'm a close second
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