WORLD EXCLUSIVE: HYPER 2023 Revealed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- www.winspace.cc/hyper-2023
Finally the follow-up hit to the legendary HYPER wheels. You spoke, we listened. We scowered every forum post, every comment section, every TH-cam review and collated all the criticism and advice we could find. We kept everything that made the HYPERs great and took on-board all the advice we could find out there. to create the evolution: HYPER 2023.
Disclaimer: I work for Winspace so I'm biased af. I tried to keep this video factual, so bare with me. I'm honest with ya'll as always.
This video is an un-scripted 30+ minute "everything you ever needed to know about the new HYPERs" For a more condensed video, you can check out the official Winspace video: • Introducing HYPER 2023...
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00:00 Intro
00:58 Montage
1:27 Full Disclosure
2:14 About the Original HYPERs
7:04 Naming Convention
8:36 Long Live the Rim Brake
10:58 Design Philosophy of HYPER2023
12:22 What's New?
22:08 Starting to Summarize
24:00 Which one is right for you?
27:06 Wheels on sale now
29:50 You spin me right round... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
That was a very thorough presentation. Commercially, I think winspace has done the right thing in sticking with rim. I'm not sure that disc will take off. A bit like tubeless hasn't taken over
Will you be aero testing the new wheels to see how they stack up against the originals?
I ride rimbrakes with tubes since I try to spend not too much money on cycling.
But most people I know who buy new bikes get disc brakes. Everyone I know still rides tubes but it feels like every person I watch on yt/instagram has been riding tubeless for ages..
Say hello to the hairdresser!!
@@jordanmann7370 depends if they send me some.
@@Hambini keen to see part 2 of the T1500 review.
Hell Yeah Joe!!! Love the wheels, anmd the quality is great. We have probably sold a good 20 pairs of the hyper wheels and I can honestly say from those 20 sets there have been no issues and the customers are always happy for what they are getting at the price they are paying. Makes my job easy lol. Very informative Video as always!!
Right on! Looking forward to you getting your hands on a pair.
@@ChinaCycling looks like he's stuck on his elites
Redundancy cover. Bloody good detail that. Nice to tidy up a fraction of aero too.
We listen to you guys. Keep suggestions coming and we'll include them in future updates. (After rigorous internal testing and analysis, of course.)
The only opportunity missed with the new Hypers is the following… improved brake track for rim versions and the option to have standard quality wheel bearings such as NTN, SKF etc. as all solid riders will still have to swap out after 3-4k. Perhaps you could offer custom options such as Farsports, this would be great! Solid presentation though and all the best! I’m still rocking my original 50’s and can only praise the customer support of Winspace. 👍
Agree on those points
Agreed, but I'm a solid 200+ pound rider. I'd like to get 4k out of a pair of bearings.
Winspace uses S&S ceramic bearings used bu Fulcrum as well. have used mine for 20k and still running smooth.
Are the rim tracks lacking?
I would think they'd have changed the bearings with something more durable as this new version is supposed to fix those issues.
Been holding out for the new Hypers. I'm glad rim brake is still an option.
They will have to take them from my cold dead hands.
The fact that Winspace is still pushing rim is awesome ie giving customers the CHOICE !!
Congrats Joe, I have two Hyper gen 1 wheelsets (rim & disc) and have been immensely satisfied with them. Purchased following your, Hambini's and P.T.'s reviews and have not regretted it. Tremendous value versus big name Western brands.
Glad you like them!
Congratulations Joe and HYPER Wheels. So cool the progression of the wheels and really impressive the hard work from you and all the team at Winspace for these wheels from the beginning until now. I am sure the future will be the same. Let's go!
Ordered the D45’s on July 1st, launch day, and received them yesterday July 26th (USA).
Swapped out my stock 42mm SLR1 carbon wheelset from my 2019 Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 and went for a 25 mile ride with both flats and hills with some wind. First impressions are good, I really like the wheels! Power transfer is better, stiffer, yet a more compliant comfortable feel over bumps (I’m on tubed 25mm Conti GP5000). Kinda weird to have both at the same time, maybe the wider rims or the carbon spokes make it more comfortable? They are about 140 grams lighter than my old wheels and they feel faster, lighter and more nimble. They climb better. More responsive. Cross winds aren't as twitchy. I'm very happy with them and can’t wait to get them on this Saturday’s fast group ride!
Well done with continuing with the rim.... Long live the RIM
best naming convention. its sooo nice to hear a company that's actually listening to its customers.
Thanks. I don't get why other brands insist on dictating to consumers what they should buy? Why not just make the products people want? Seems easy to me...
In regard to running rim brakes on ultra wide wheels, Tririg makes a fantastic aero brake caliper, called the Omega One. This caliper works fine on my 78mm Aerocoach Zephyr wheels which have a 26.7mm rim width. I’m able to use this brake with the pads backed out all the way, but without needing to shave off the pads. In my opinion, these rim brake calipers would pair well with these new Winspace wheels.
Unmentioned is the new toned-down butterfly effect. To me that is a big improvement. I'm in now and will be ordering soon. All the other improvements are much appreciated also. Good job everyone involved.
so glad you're continuing with rim brakes 😁😁
Us too!
I'm with you on rim brake & 19mm inside width 😉 I am so happy to see this company doing so well & providing us with what we want! Much appreciated. This year I plan to buy & build a rim SLC2 & use Winspace wheels too! Thanks & keep up the great work!
Joe, please think about making high quality groupset that can rival shimano, sram, and campagnolo that is much cheaper, just like what you guys dis with those wheels. We need another main player in the groupset industry that is reliable and doesn't break the bank. The industry is moving toward disc brakes, so it might be a good move to make a high end light enough groupset that still offer rim brakes to rival the main players and also to preserve rim brakes for the next generation of bikes.
Joe, thanks for keeping high-end rim brake options alive!
Thanks for the video and for keeping it straight forward Joe!
Still love mine that I covered in two separate first impression videos, and needless to say that I love them even more two years into riding and racing them.
Need to do a long term review video still.
But now you made me want another pair lol
Keep up the good work buddy!
I think I remember your unboxing video. Would be interested to seeing how they held up to two years of racing and riding.
I have seen you since the beginning and I am happy to see you grow your passion and for all of us. Appreciate you guys are hanging with rim brakes, you might control that market niche as the industry pushes disc. Some companies will loose market share in rim brake as they keep pumping disk production. Like the paint Job of your climber.
Winspace is a bit like Yoeleo - they do not manufature 28-30c tyre oriented wheel. All of their wheels have a narrow external width oriented at 25c tyres from aerodynamic perspective. Would be good to see a 30-32mm external width rim and deep section, not shallow like their Gravel rim. Something similar to LB WR50 maybe? Thanks
Love the show - great info as always. Many thanks - Best wishes and happy pedalling ! 🙏
God bless you for the RIM brake version!!!!
I just ordered the R45 for my 2014 Ridley Noah RS with Shimano Ultegra groupset. Hopefully the new wider rim will fit 😀. I’m looking forward to trying them out.
I’m liking those rim break bikes in the back drop. So nice to see that.
Great presentation. Not corporate, i like that. Congrats on new/redesign wheels. Just wanted to add maybe in the future you will have an option of highend steel bearings. That would be really nice to have. And can you please put some links on those guys you mentioned with most koms and most km in one month. All in all, i know where i'll be spending my money next.
Pumped. Loved mine since July 2020
Love hearing that!
Absolutely go with rim brakes option. Develop some rim brake carbon callipers! Totally not a ramble, all the info needed with a proper honest but still suitably excited and exciting video. Nice one :)
My 2022 hyper team edition arrived to my house the same day you guys announced the new version. Wish I had bought the wheel a few days later. Don't mind the weight as much, but really prefer the wider rim.
Good Man Joe!Greetings from Galway Ireland loving my Winspace TT100.
I'd love to head around the world meeting and riding with all my subscribers
Just about to buy the r45 but wondered if they are compatible with dura ace 9100 brake calipers??
Waiting on my R45 rims, my first set of winspace, ready for the hype...
Ordered these today! Will weigh them and compare with old Hypers. Also waiting for the new fully internal cockpit update on the bike frames especially the T1500.
Hope you enjoy them!
I was struggling to decide between Hypers and the new Elite Drive.... these new Hypers stole it for Winspace. Love the idea of the different depth and profile of the F/R.... R45s already ordered 😁
I was in the exact same position and pulled the trigger on the D45’s yesterday also! I was very close to ordering the Elite Drives but held out to see the release of the new Hypers. Glad I did because everything about the new Hypers convinced me to go with them.
Have the HYPERS in 38mm (Rim Brake) on my Winspace SLC 2.0 (Kanazawa). Still excited to hear what the changes are 🙂
I have wanted that build for a while, enjoy!!
You know they're testing the SLC 3.0 right?
Thank god for supporting rim brake! But to be honest, I don't like 21mm internal. They're too wide for the road. Good for comfort, bad for aero.
I've got 20mm internals on my Rovals, and a 26mm tire fits perfect. I imagine 21 would m ate perfectly to a 28.
I prefer a 19mm I for the front wheel
currently, Hambini tested the Hyper 50mm to be the most aero at this depth, coming close to as aero as some other brands 80mm. We will see how the wider Hypers stack up in the aero department. I'm going to speculate the Hyper 2023 won't beat it when it comes to aero.
If you could only help Sensah to develop a better front derailleur and brake calipers I would jump ship in a heartbeat. I loved SRAM mechanical group. Just waiting to see what direction they go in.
Does anyone know why the lower profile rims have filament wound designed rims while the deepest profile doesnt.
Is there an alloy rim brake track + carbon fairing option?
Are the end cap covers on the new version going to be added to the previous gen wheels?
Will you update the entry level lun rims too? e.g. same rim profile (maybe cheaper/heavier carbon if that's possible) with steel spokes, steel bearing hubs?
Have some updates / more options for more affordable wheels coming in the future. As much as we like making world-beating wheels, we also appreciate not everyone has a $1300 to throw at a pair of wheels.
for people on budget like most of us, maybe moving to quality chinese brands will be more massive in the future because the value we pay is so incredible.and mostly they hear what we need, not only the bigger profit from changing all to discbrake fancy blink bs.
What can you say about the brake track surface on the rim brake and what pads do you recommend?
Like always, very entertaining and informative.
Glad you enjoyed it
Just ordered them today… looking forward. I think I watched every video and read every article about the Gen 1! Let‘s see how they perform next to my Bora One 35! Thanks for this great video, trying to NOT make just and add out of it! 😁
Yeah! It's always tough to strike the balance between showing my enthusiasm and it not being an ad. Hopefully I got it right.
@@ChinaCycling You nailed it. Keep it up
Almost pulled the trigger on the older Hyper 65 Rim Brake wheels, but now seriously thinking about the R67's, glad I thought to take a minute to watch your video. Side question, how do you like the Stone two piece 1X chainring on your T1500, does it help with chainline as much as expected?
Perfect exactly what I need as a heavier rider. I’ll order a set.
Next a pair of MTB 29”? 25-28mm inner?
thank you for listening joe, appreciate it
Always!
A word to the reviewers...guys can you give a real world evaluation from riding then extensively. Some vids of the wheels being ridden would be nice. The load testing with dials and spoke tension checks were good. You mention pros but I haven't seen or heard of pros riding the wheels?
I'd like to see a narrow from rim and a wider rear as an option.
I think a 25mm to 27mm depth climbing wheel would be nice and I'm seeing that size coming onboard a lot lately. That's what. Looking for my climbing bike
maybe winspace should develope their own ultra light- yet wider rim brake calipers
Gonna buy the 38mm ones for sure! 💪🏻 For a very lightweight project. I'm still looking where to buy your skypivot cranks, any idea?
Ordered :) but one question: will there be spare spokes and brake pads in the box? There is no info about that on website
Will update the site when I get a chance! They come with the spare spokes and brake pads. :)
Did the weather sealing get any changes?
that white slc should be available for purchase
But then I wouldn't be a unique little snowflake. :) Hahahha.
Well done Winspace and Joe
Cheers!
You are a great technical presenter. Anyone sending $1300 USD across the world needs this intel.
Thanks, Man.
I hope your family is well.
Cut that mop
Well. that's just made up my mind. The Hyper's will be my next set of wheels
I become convinced on these wheels (the 35mm version). Such a pity that the hubs don't have ABG (anti-bite guard).
Check out my latest video on the CRWs, they have the anti-bite guard and are a bit lighter. (DIsc brake version)
Is the brake surface the same as the older hypers?
Awesome!!💯✔️
do you know if the R67 fit for Sram red second generation brakes ? best regards
Good quality work mate love the show
Will there be different width options available in the future? Just asking because I currently use 32mm tyres.
They work fine with 32mm tires. They can go all the way upto 47 no problem.
Is there a plan to release the blacked out versions like you had on the older sets? They looked fantastic!
dude joe, hypers won RAAM? NICE win!
Yeah, Team Brasil-Air Relax won the team division. Course record too I think? I can't remember. Either way, impressive!
"fatter, wider, deeper" - Are we still even talking about wheels anymore??
I currently have the previous Hyper 50 Rim and I have no issues with the braking but I would like to know if there is a reason why the new Rim models didn't get a textured brake track? Did your team experiment on the pros and cons of a textured brake track?
I'm not an engineer, and wasn't in all the meetings about it, but I think it was something to do with the way the filament wound construction means that you don't wanna be taking chunks out of the braking surface. The other way is the put the textured brake surface into the mold (like Zipp) but I believe SRAM have the patent on that. Again: Not an engineer and wasn't in all the meetings about it.
@@ChinaCycling thanks for the reply! that makes sense :)
Thanks for the video. Been eyeing on this wheels for quite sometime now. Initially wanted to buy the prev version but since this one is coming might as well i go for the newer version. One thing though, will the rim brake version r45 fits a single mount brake frame? Thanks
Haven't seen a brake it won't fit yet. Unless you're using like 10yr old Shimano? You can measure to check.
@@ChinaCycling thanks for the reply. Im using the prev gen of supersix. Just concern it might be tight. Will check with the lbs soon.
i see a big disclaimer at the beginning ....it better get spicy in here
The new wheels look awesome! Do the campy wheels have the new “N3W” cassette body? Campagnolo’s upcoming group set revision will require the new N3W standard. Thanks
16:28 - That's shallower, yes, but I'm in the market for some mega-shallow wheels to replace my old Planet X 20mm wheels from back in the day. Is there a reason why people aren't really going that shallow anymore? If you guys can come up with something for the hill climb crew, it would be amazing
I think it's down to following the market demand and with the rising costs of opening a set of molds, etc. there are less people willing to cater to the edges of the bell curve. There's obviously a market for it though... just a matter of whether or not it's big enough.
Any news about stock update on SLC2.0 (disc) frame? Trying to buy one but no luck with 52 size in black
Coming sooooooon. (About a month?)
Is there a chance that disc model can be converted into QR?i had old disc frame with QR still..thank you..
Sorry to say, it's impossible.
Hey man, I am about to place the order but I have one question, what is the break surface like? Is it textured? Are there any closeup photos of it? thanks so much.
Should be the same as the regular HYPERs. No physical textures.
I'd perfer front and rear to have the same depth. Can I get a rear wheel in 46?
Was the rubbing spoke issue addressed? Hambini doesn't like your ceramic bearings. Did you consider changing to high quality steel bearings? I had an idea about using a relatively larger rim depth in front since the rear doesn't add as aerodynamic efficiency as the front. I think Peak Torque tried that in a video. Can you buy a larger front, smaller rear?
Thanks
The drive spokes no longer touch so they won't rub. Hambini doesn't like lots of thins, lol. 😂 Probably doesn't like his own mother. We're still experimenting with different bearing setups internally. In theory a deep wheel on the front and a shallow on the back is the fastest setup for a ~5% climb or so.
9:21 Joe talks about the increase in rim width at brake track. At 28.6mm, it's starting to get really tight for BB-direct mount Shimano brake calipers.
Just want to mention that the *Ascent Polaris* wheel, the 69mm depth, the rim width at brake track is *31mm*.
They mentioned that they have tested with Shimano's standard mount calipers (the single bolt ones) and it works.
And they ALSO mentioned that Shimano's *"Direct-mount is harder but doable if you rearrange the washers - we cannot officially say that it works"* (quoted directly from a previous comment by Ascent)
Yeah, I rearranged the washers and the brake pads have been used before so missing a few mm. I have 2mm clearance either side of the rim.
Is that a 42T cog on your T1500? What derailleur did you use for that?
SRAM Apex 1x with a carbon pulley cage.
I heard lots of people complaining about low quality bearings. Did they change this?
Hey, I just received my Hyper Wheels D45 2023 and they look 🔥, however the hub sounds is really really quiet, Did Winspace reduced the hub noise?
Online reviews show a really loud hub and I can barely hear mine while riding. Anyone else experienced the same?
Mine was quiet in the first ride. But it is really loud after about 500km now.
@@tomthepanda that is not good. You need to grease/inspect them
It all comes down to the grease's NLGI number and how much of it is on the mechanism. Where I work, we always regrease them with one of a low NLGI number (to minimise friction) and not too much of it (otherwise the pawls may slip), so they don't sound quiet.
Love what the brand is doing. But what I would like to know Joe any new frames on horizon?
Nothing until 2023. :)
@@ChinaCycling slc 3.0?
Where’s the best place to buy/order the new versions within China?
Please have a rim brake version ..
RIM BRAKE FOR LIFFFFEEEEEE!
Man 28mm is super wide for rim brakes. I would hate to get them and it not fit in my new caad13
Great looking wheels. Is it possible to build the T1500 with mechanical shifting and rimbrake?
The one in the video is mechanical shifting and rim brake. :) But, the cables are external.
@@ChinaCycling Just have to wait til it gets in stock again then 😁
WTH, I just bought the old hypers last week and chatted with the winspace personel about the delivery. No one mentioned that new wheels are being launched in a week time. I guess you Winspace just wanted to clear the old stock on me. However I am still under free return policy so I may chose to return.
The new Hypers are actually listed under the old models. I would have missed them if the youtubers didn't say they're already on sale. They probably want to get rid of old stock.
Hey Vivek, get in touch with the sales team. They'll help you out. Not an attempt to clear old stock, because we will be offering the old HYPERs alongside the new ones for the foreseeable future. 🙌
When are the GRAPID wheels getting a Hyper version?
Any chance the will be a quieter hub compatible or produced?
Slap in some grease and it gets quieter. Did some experiments with weaker springs, etc... but you run the risk of the pawls not engaging properly.
Any updates on the gravel wheelsets anytime soon?
Errrr... Maaaaaaaaybe small tweaks? So busy with HYPERs these days. Haha.
I am looking in the 2023 model to bring myself in the carbon wheels space. I see the spare carbon spokes, I am worried. Why would I need spare spokes? Is it because they are prone to brake or they are of proprietary design?
Also, should spokes be changed after some miles or years?
99.9% of people won't use the spare spokes, but it's just to put your mind at ease.
No spoke is indestructible. You'll never know when a tree branch will go between your spokes and break one or a few of them, that's why each wheelset has a spare spoke for each spoke length.
And yes, they're of a proprietary design.
power presentation! and congrats! you make me want to get a pair of wheels!
any promo code from you?🤔
thanks!
yeah uh-huh... so i already placed my order of the D45.
What’s up with the paint scheme on your SLC?
I wanted something different 😂
My impression is that carbon spokes aren't 'worth it' in terms of weight savings vs. durability, serviceability, and cost. But I'm seeing them in a lot of wheels. And I wrong?
Hi Joe, now that the Hyper 3.0 wheels are on the horizon (listed on Winspace Japan website), will you be doing a similar video on them? Also will the next gen be available in rim brake versions? The website for the moment at least only has a disc brake model listed. Thank you.
Great vid thanks for the info😊👍🏼
Do winspace have rim brake wheels 700c that are suitable for road/gravel with Shimano compatible 9 speed cassette??
The freehub bodies of Winspace wheels are compatible with 8 - 10-speed cassettes as long as there's a spacer behind the cassette (not supplied with the wheelset).
The rim brake offerings are only for road bikes.
@@yonglingng5640 Ok thank you, do you know how wide the internal rim widths are on the road wheels
They are probably not suited for gravel conditions then?
@@iggyburton2679 In their entire lineup, they only have two rim widths.
19 mm: Lún and HYPER
21 mm (new for Winspace): HYPER 2023
Tire width range
Lún and HYPER: 23 - 45 mm
HYPER 2023: 25 - 47 mm
But road rim brakes are limited to 28 mm tires anyway.
@@yonglingng5640 Okies
They are no good for me then
Thanks anyway😊
This is awesome! #savetherimbrake
Joe you mentioned the Hyper wheels were used in the Race Across America. I did not catch that fact. What was said and is there a video where the person mentioned them?
If you check out the Winspace instagram, I put a post on it about there. The 4-man relay team Brasil-Airrelax had HYPERs on most of their bikes.
@@ChinaCycling Something else I failed to comment, when you said there is 50,000 Winspace wheels being used out in the World at the moment, that's impressive. I got to thinking about that and concluded that it ultimately means Winspace took 50,000 sales away from other brands, brands that most likely would set their MSRP on comparable models at more than $2000 per wheel. I am really happy to see that kind of competition. It sends a message. Congrats and keep up the good work.
will offer a 12 speed specific shimano cassette
Shimano 12speed works fine with the standard 11speed freehub body.
Missed a trick with the depths. The deepest rim you can ride in a roadmans TT is 62mm
If you're riding a TT, there are better wheels for that. You'll probably want something narrower anyway.
@@404nobrakes a roadmans TT. TT on a road bike
I love that they are hooked. ...
but what about the hubs? What hubs are in them? Ratchet? Pawls? Any details?
I don't know anything about old hubs, and I can't find something on the website.
Large 6803 and 6903 bearings. Freehub is pawls and ratchets. 6 pawls (2 groups of 3) with 36 teeth in the ratchet ring, :)
Is this in fact 2 pawls, each with three indentations? That is, are they placed radially? 36 teeth is not much.... but I guess in road you don't need the same snappiness as in my MTB hubs, where I have 6 double pawls with 114 clicks in the ring (I'd avoid the word "ratchet" just to make a difference....)
@@scherzo0o 6 single-tooth pawls. One set of three engages while the other set is on standby when the freehub is engaged, much like how Bitex freehub bodies work.