Winspace Hyper Wheelset...Dont believe the HYPE! Real world long term review.
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- Here is a long term review of my Winspace Hyper 50mm wheelset. I have about 1000 miles on them and I wanted to share my experience with these wheels, the good and bad. If you have any questions or comments please comment below, and if you found this video helpful give it. thumbs up and subscribe for more content!
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Hey, First of all - thanks for the review and thanks for your custom. We also know it takes time to make a video, so, we appreciate your time to make this video and share your feedback. We love all feedback, positive or otherwise. We firmly believe there's no perfect product on the market, so anything we can do to make ours a little bit closer to perfection - we will! Thought I'd take a quick moment to address some of your issues though. The QR skewers: The ones we supply are pretty beefy. It'sThey're designed to apply the maximum clamping load with the least effort. Our hubs rely on the QR or Thru-Axle clamping to pre-load the bearings and some people can't get the clamping force needed on skinny lightweight QR skewers. As for your twisting spokes, as you said you already contacted our support department. I am curious what pressure you're running in those 25mm Schwalbes though? Going too high with tire pressure could be related. Keep an eye on it, and if they keep twisting, you can contact our support department again. Regarding the aerodynamics, we may have to agree to disagree on this one. 🤐 The data says the wheels are pretty darn fast. Anecdotal experiences may vary, but... hey - that's the joy of the internet, there's no shortage of people's individual experiences. In summary, we're not hating. We genuinely do appreciate feedback in all forms. We'll take yours on-board, and see if that are improvements we can bring to the table! Again, thanks for sharing. 🤜
what a beast team, mad respect for taking in both good and bad reviews 🙏🏻 that alone could say how good you guys are
Thanks for watching and commenting.
It’s nice to see a company cares about these little reviews people do.
I run the pro ones at 85psi. I tried the supplies skewers too and the wheels left the same. I also just did some testing with data with another set of wheels and I’m sorry to say I am extremely disappointed with this wheels.
CLASS ACT 💯 I'm a fan of Winspace now 👍
You guys are amazing. I see your comments on good and bad videos; really made me interested in your brand, and now I just ordered my own T1500, Hyper wheels, and integrated handlebar. Can't wait to get them. Thank you, Winspace!
class act winspace, class act. ❤
Thank you for the honest review and helping me make a decision, finally a review of these wheels from someone that is not affiliated or trying to sell me something
Happy to help!
I've used these wheels (50 disc clinchers) for about 6 months now and they're some of the nicest wheels I've ridden in a while. I'm a cat 2 racer and personally I've never gotten any rubbing or flexing of the wheels (however I am a lighter rider at 67kg). I would personally recommend them!
Decent video, and love the response from Winspace; I used to run the same Schwalbe Pro Ones tubeless on a set of Reynolds assault - they were the hardest to install tyres ever, so much so that removing one cracked the rim. No more tubeless for me.
I’ve raced and trained all year on the disc brake Hyper 50s and 65s. I absolutely love them. My race results speak for themselves winning Crits, time trials, road and stage races with them. I’ve beat the hell out of them… NorCal road races on the shittiest surfaces imaginable (think Copperopolis for those that know), as well as racing in OR, NM, TX, and FL. I’ve double flatted hitting holes that tore huge holes in tires, even did a fondo with 35miles of gravel. They’ve held up great and still roll true. I hope Winspace doesn’t see this bc I’d pay more than double what they charge for em.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I sure my set are defective, I’m talking to winspace about a solution. If anything I would question there qc.
Glad your enjoying your hypers!
your review seems honest , some real considerations . i know the feeling of not rolling as fast as you are normally used to , i experienced this when riding my MTB with different set of tyres, wow what a difference ,
Thanks for watching and commenting, glad you enjoyed this review! Take a look at the follow up video I made about these Hypers.
To be brief, I had totally different experience. Bought a Salsa Warroad on ebay. It was a dog, had Roval 30mm aluminum rims with Swiss DT 350 hubs. Replaced the bearings, mechanic said everything inside the hub looked good, helped a little. Ordered the Hypers on impulse, came 6 days later, 50mm with ceramic bearings, no paint, like yours. They opened this bike up, 2mph faster, handle terrific, I fly downhills where before I would reach a plateau. At 210lbs, crosswinds don't affect me, a little stiff, but tubeless, I just lowered the psi from 80 to 70lbs. I have 28c wide tires, what width did you go with? That and the brand (I went with Pirelli Race Zero tires) can make a difference. Like you, I pretty much ride by myself to work and back. Freewheel's a little loud, not as loud as yours, but on the trail, people hear it and move.
At last a refreshing honest long term review from someone that has had more than one set of carbon wheels.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Out of the 4 carbon wheels era I’ve had these rank 3rd best:
1.zipp 404 firecrest (flexy but fast!)
2 Easton ec50 55mm 2012 model
3. Hypers
4 2012 Reynolds assault 42mm
@@cycling8189 as someone who's had anything from zipp 808s, 50mm Chinese carbon wheels and Easton EC90 55mm deep, I have to say the Chinese wheel's are by far my favourite. Zipp wheels were super flexy just like you said (but sounded really cool), the eastons were really narrow and had the most sketchy braking ever, and the Chinese pair are the most well rounded overall. Wondering if something from farsports or Hunt would be just as fast.
@@nicokilla11 I honestly think a set of wheels from a reputable Chinese brand with some dt-Swiss hubs or equivalent would be just as good as anything from a wester brand.
Thanks for the review, I had the same issue with spokes becoming loose on the Lun 45mm. Same thing on spike became completely undone from the nipple after less than 100km. Noticed they were scary in cross wind but never rode aero wheels before so don’t have anything to compare against
Thanks for watching and commenting. I wonder if other people are having the same spoke issue with Lun wheels, I wish the reviews of these wheels from the "big" cycling TH-cam channels would do a long term review.
An honest review. Well done!
Thanks for the support! I believe there is a defect with these wheels bearings or hub tolerances, I am talking to Winspace about getting them fix/replaced by Winspaces service center in the US. I will make an update video when I get the wheels back.
Hambini also did a review on these wheels, his bearings we shot. He hate the bearings they used. They froze up. I bought the 38mm before I watched your video. I will keep a close eye on the spokes. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’ve never road these wheels in rain or anything except dry weather, perk of living in Southern California. I would be interested to see how the wheels preform if I change the bearing.
I got my wheels today! Hooray. I did open up the free body hub and greased all around it. There was no much in there. So little that a few paws dropped off but easy to put back together. Hopefully that helps the loud sound in the free hub. I might have to look into the type of grease to us on the bearings to make them a little faster or last a bit longer. I found it weird that the brake pads didn’t have a notch for the front brake pads screw. I will make due. These are my first carbon rims. I hope I set some PRs.
I have been using HYPER Wheels for a solid amount of time. Raced them and have made podiums using the HYPER Wheels, sharing the podium with Masters National Champions and World Champions. I use the wheels usually 5 times a week, and I have used basically every major brand of wheels created over many, many years. For me, the HYPER Wheels have been 100% awesome. I use Strava on all my rides and have set a large amount of PR's using the HYPER Wheels. Lastly, for me, I have absolutely 100% zero issues with crosswinds ad HYPER Wheels. In fact, the HYPER Wheels have been some of the best and most proper feelings when doing heavy crosswind rides. Interesting your views. Also, I have thousands of miles on the HYPER Wheels and all my spokes are still in perfect position. I know of a few different friends I have who also race on the HYPER Wheels and I have watched them win races on the HYPER Wheels. They could run any wheel brand they want, and they chose the HYPER Wheels and they continue to use HYPER Wheels to this day.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I believe my set is defective and I sent it back to winspace for them to check it.
I read that people love the wheels (like you) and some have the same issue I have, so it seems like it’s hit or miss with hypers. I will be making a follow up video about what winspace finds out.
Bro, you’re sponsored by Winspace
Bro, I first bought the HYPER WHeels size 50's on my own, with my own funds, as a part of my research project on Road Bike Wheels made in China. I liked the HYPER Wheels so much, I paid for another set of HYPER Wheels, size 38's. Both HYPER Wheels registered way above the curb for all the Road Bike Wheels from China I had tested. The HYPER Wheels and the LUN Wheels just seemed to have more care, and more precise build and better performance than any of the others I used from China. The rest is history, super stoked to try out all the HYPER & LUN Wheel models and get to know the brand up close and personal. I consider myself a expert on the ride quality of the wheels, from sheer use. 🙂🙂👍👍🚴♀🚴♀
@@TheCyclesport I’ve used the Hypers too. So it’s my opinion that this review is similar to my experience and an impartial one too.
@@saracen888 I'm super impartial. If any Wheels were no good in any manner I would say so proudly. I have won 565 times racing my bikes. No way ever I am going to use a product I do not 100% like.
I've had mine for about a year now and havent had any of the problems you've mentioned regarding the spokes yet. I have the 38s and crosswinds havent been an issue as well. Maybe yours needed a warranty replacement? As for speed, I've found they roll very fast. I've consistently hit 5mph faster on a certain descent near me compared to my old wheelset.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I believe my Hyper wheelset are defective and I have sent them back to Winspace. Please watch my other 2 videos about the Hypers to get up to date.
Good Vid! You shared your thoughts, the good and the bad without being a hater!
That’s for watching and commenting!
Glad you enjoyed the video.
I got an enve 45 foundation $1300 from an authorized dealer. Couldn't be more happy after watching this review
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you found the video helpful 💪
I've run the 38 disc hypers for 4000km now. 90kg rider. I notice the barrier around 40km hr (25mph ish). I wonder how different the rim brake versions are. I've heard newer winspace wheels may have switch carbon type because supply issues. Thanks for your thoughts.
That’s for watching and commenting! I can’t imagine the rim and disc version being too different.
Great review, I have had the 38mm Hypers now for nearly 12 months and have not had any issues yet. I am a fairly lightweight rider being approx 68 kgs so I chose the 38's for a climbing wheel very happy with them for that purpose they don't seem to be affected by cross winds as much as my other carbon rims.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’m about 77kg so I give the wheels a bit more of a thrashing that you. But giving the weight limit is 95kg I thought it should be a problem for me. I’m sure the 38mm are much better in cross winds but the hypers are my 4th set of carbon wheels and are the 3rd best when it comes to cross winds, both my 2014 zipp 404 fire crest and 2012 Easton ec90 55mm wheels handled wings better.
Any issues in the wet weather? Im also looking at 38mm as i love climbing. Do you guys think its worth compared to overpriced carbon wheels out there?
_"giving the weight limit is 95kg"_
System weight limit is 135kg but if >95kg they recommend regular inspection. Also Luescher Teknik's recent upload included spoke analysis, 420kg tension applied before epoxy failure.
Haven’t road them in the wet yet, not a lot of rain in Southern California 😬
@@altern8tive I guess people better do regular check if you around 77kg 😂🤣
I've had a set of 50mm disc hypers. I have about 6k miles on them. They are stiff. Very stiff. Conti GP5000TL 25mm and 28mm. The 28mm help soften the ride a little more and didn't impact times/speeds much. Easily maintain 20-22mph in groups or solo, but the bearings are packed with grease when shipped and when it starts to thin out they speed up more and hold speed easily.
No issues with my spokes. I thought I would and ordered with more spares just in case. Haven't needed them.
Hit the spoke crossovers with light silicone lube when they arrived and never had the creaking issue some people reported.
These have been stable as hell for me in wind compared to zipp, Mavic, or Reynolds.
Their thru-axles are crappy. Rounding of the hex after two removals. Swapped them out for DT Swiss.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I wonder if the disc rim profile is different than the rim brakes one.
Cảm ơn bạn đã chia sẻ. Tôi đang phân vân không biết có nên mua vành xe đạp thương hiệu Hyper không?
I love these wheels and I love the sound,and for me right up there with anything out there on the market.
The frames are sooo good also.Having ridden Trek,Cevelo,Bianchi and Sworks the winspace was lighter and better on climbs,which is what I do the most.👍
Thanks for the review. Im on the fence about buying Lun with 35mm profile.
I bought my Winspace a month ago, not much complains for now. Coming from a 2012 Zipp 404 Firecrest, I cannot really feel which is better between the two. But my Zipp hub broke out all of a sudden, no crashes nothing. Also rode a Mavic for a year, the hub are showing issues as well, total crap. Now I doubt the big brands are doing a much better job then Winspace can do, and Winspace is selling at almost half the price.
I agree, mavic are total shits
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Seems like it’s hit or miss with winspace. A lot of people like them and a lot are having the same issues I’m having. Also I would go with another brand just for the fact that you can get replacement parts easily and quick. For example you can get the hub on your zipp fixed at any bike shop and get the parts you need quick. For the hypers you gotta wait for them to ship from China, maybe a 2 week wait or even longer now.
A popular you tuber from Australia had the same problem with loss of speed. It came down to the rear hub not being or having enough grease. Apparently it’s a thing with a hyper wheels
Ya I have to try that out. Ill take it to a shop soon and have them grease up the hub! I will updated you guys after.
It’s an issue with the older batches of hyper wheels. I noticed the newer crop of wheelsets to come with more grease out of the box.
@@cycling8189 Cam Nicholls? He complained about odd creaking and cracking noises from the wheels, but I don't know if speed was affected. The main reason seems to have been lack of grease on the rear hub, they get to that around 5:00 here:
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Some of my spokes turned too and I corrected them now twice, the wheel was out of true as well. Problems with wind yes but unsafe only on top of the highest colorado mountains with strong gusts (I’m 195 pounds). The wheels are fast ( I wonder if you tighten the skewers hard, I remember PeakTorq mentioning the bearings required the preload). The wheels felt even faster with 25mm tires but those make for a very stiff ride so I use 28mm.
I don't think you can downplay your level of cycling to that of a recreational cyclist that rides with some buddies for fitness - and at the same time say that you don't need any comparative stats, and that you can know beyond any doubt that a give set of wheels is faster or slower on feel alone. I'm not going to rant or hate on you - I just don't think that a recreational rider would have the level of awareness or feel to make that kind of determination without any data to back it up.
Personally I can say that I don't share your experience with these wheels. I have my Hypers on a Cervelo P2 and I love them. I used them this entire outdoor season, and while I don't ride the P2 for all of my rides...I have several hundred km on them and am still very happy I made the purchase.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I believe my set of hypers are defective and have been talking to Winspace about a solution. Also watch the next video that I compare my Hypers with Vision Metron wheels with data. Even-though I am a recreational cyclist and probably can't feel much difference between certain parts my Hypers were significant enough to feel.
So from a viewers entertainment perspective you have given your honest opinion that's fine and all. When you mentioned about speed, strength and aerodynamic stability without any quantifiable means, it really does limit your validity.
- When you talk about the aero dynamic benefit of the hyper wheels in compares to the Zipps after awhile that part was the most inaccurate of them all almost laughable since without any power metrics and speed metrics under equivalent conditions how would you know which wheel is more efficient.
-Your first impressions are always the most important in determining the speed differential since as you get used to the characteristics you wont be able to notice the difference anymore as you get desensitized.
- You can't quantify the durability of the wheels just based on your incorrect usage and breaking spokes due to handling and not fixing the situation.
Thanks for watching.
-they are slower than zipps, I ride with a buddy and when I had the zipps I would always pull away on downhills, with hypers he stay right next to me, plus I have a harder time holding speed with hypers compared to zipps. Don’t need power dynamic to realize that.
-even on the first ride they felt like they didn’t hold speed as well but I ignored that because I didn’t want to feel like I made a bad decision
-the durability is still up in the air. Like I said in the video I don’t blame winspace for the spoke breaking, it may have my been my fault it may have not, they send extra spokes so who cares. My main issue is that the spokes on the front wheel rotate, the broken spoke was on the rear wheel so the front wheel shouldn’t have rotating spokes.
@@cycling8189 hey man. im with Samson on this one.. judging which wheel is faster without supporting data is just impossible. and you kinda lost me when you said you ride for fitness, you dont do any racing, which tells me, you dont push a bike and a wheel to its absolute limits. yet, youre saying that they are slower than zipps? dont get me wrong, im a zipp fan.. i have them on my race bike.. but saying you can actually tell the difference in aerodynamics between 2 wheels is BS man. specially without power data.. ive been racing for over 10 years, been riding to power for over 6 years.. i can honestly say this, it is already difficult to tell a bad aero wheel from a good one.. let alone 2 good wheelsets.. braking is the only one that can easily be compared.
@@KristianeLim think what you want but I don’t need data to know I’m slower with these wheels than the zipps I had for 3 years. Again these are my opinions, you don’t have to listen to them or agree, I’m just sharing my experience and letting everyone know that maybe these wheels aren’t all they are hyped up to be.
@@cycling8189 haha ayt! Whatever floats your boat.. ur saying the wheels are not up to the hype. But u are saying you dont need data to know which wheel is more aerodynamic. Thats okay to say if ur testing a race wheel versus a training box wheel. But 2 already very good wheels, even with a powermeter that is still difficult to tell apart. To say that you can without data, it sounds like your hyping yourself. But as ive said, whatever floats your boat
@@KristianeLim i think you need to take the review as is instead of insulting the man he did an honest review just like how durian rider, vegan cyclist and so many others do. It is only opinionated and based on feel which in some peoples case (if they are not data nerds and first time buyers), is good enough. It is honest and i did not hear the man call the wheels crap or anything derogatory. thank him for his review and keep the comments about you racing and training with power to yourself. i have been racing to as well and was looking into a good set of training/bad weather crit wheels and just that much is enough for me to try them out and see if what he says is true. but nice for you to comment which means you were watching it.
Hi Cycling818, as a very happy Winspace Hyper wheel owner I am sad to hear that you are unhappy with the Hyper wheels. Firstly, I do not work for Winspace but I have used and sold many wheels. I bought these wheels as a backup to my Zipp NSW 303 wheels which I only use on race days. After riding the Hypers for one month I sold my Zipps and started racing on the Hypers instead as they are deeper and more aero than a Zipp 303, lighter, stiffer, more responsive and just as good at handling cross winds (I weigh 58kg). I have been fortunate that I have had no issues with the wheels except for a bit of spoke creak when i first got them about 18 month ago and my bearings are nearly ready to be replaced. A Zipp 404 is 58mm so it will be more aero than any other 50mm wheel. I am surprised and sad to hear that you have had trouble handling these wheels in wind compared to a 58mm wheel as I have only had issues on extremely windy days (switch to 38mm). The profile of this rim is U shape and is an open mould used by many other different wheel companies. The issue of spokes coming loose could possibly be that your spokes have not been tensioned evenly as this often causes a spoke to come loose? In terms of the spokes twisting, I am only a light weight so my power is most likely less than yours.. May I suggest you use a locktight on your spoke nipples to hopefully help hold the spokes in the correct position. In terms of the spokes braking. Carbon spokes are extremely strong longitudinally but can brake if hit laterally so as you acknowledged, you may have broke the spoke in transportation. if you would like to try another set of brake pads, I really recommend the Reynolds brake pads with these wheels. As a non Winspace employee hand on heart I can truly say there are many very happy Winspace Hyper wheel owners out there. It is sad that you have not had a pleasant experience.
Thanks for watching and commenting! This review is just my opinion and expereince with these wheels. I just feel like they these wheels are a little behind its competition but I am excited to see the next gen Hypers. I will still be using these wheels for the time being so I will make a follow up video updated you guys and I will try to see if I can find another set of carbon wheels and do a side by side test.
@@cycling8189 Your opinion is important and appreciated. personally I feel you want addition aero performance so I would consider a deeper rim. If you want cross wind stability and the deep dish I suggest you look at the Zipp NSW454? There are also cheaper versions of this rim available from China which you could combine with a DT240 hub and Sapim CX-Ray spokes. If you like this idea I would get 24 spokes on the rear and consider an 8/16 2:1 ratio on the spokes for potentially added stiffness. 18 spokes would be sufficient for the front wheel. From what I hear the Zipp 454 is nothing special in terms of performance?? If you need some assistance i am happy to assist. Enjoy.
@@vietnguyen4312 I know there are better options but I didn't want to spend anymore than about $1200 USD. I probably should have gotten a set of Light Bicycle, Far Sports, or BTLOS wheels for that price, all those brands have a more U shaped wheel that I'm sure would handle crosswinds as well as my previous Zipp 404's. I also had a set of (I believe 2012) Easton EC90 55mm deep wheels and those even handled crosswinds better than the Hypers
hey, using a fake account is exactly what a chinese company resort to. shame on you winspace.
@@vietnguyen4312 Your opinion is important and appreciated. personally I feel you want addition aero performance so I would consider a deeper rim. If you want cross wind stability and the deep dish I suggest you look at the Zipp NSW454? There are also cheaper versions of this rim available from China which you could combine with a FAKE DT240 hub and FAKE Sapim CX-Ray spokes. If you like this idea I would get 24 spokes on the rear and consider an 8/16 2:1 ratio on the spokes for potentially added stiffness. 18 spokes would be sufficient for the front wheel. From what I hear the Winspace HYER is nothing special in terms of performance?? If you need some assistance i am happy to assist. Enjoy.
Hey, cool review, some interesting points highlighted in the video.
Seen a couple of other channels ( Peak Torque, Cam Nicholls, Luescher Teknik, OZ cycle ) outlined the spoke issue too, my local shop mentioned that too. The bearings aren't the best, do agree. From what I've seen, something is in the works, to resolve the spokes issue.
It will be interesting to see will my set develop the problem, if so new will refresh all spokes. Otherwise, so far, happy with my set, 3500KM and all good.
Keep up the videos, interesting to see what else you can share.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Happy to make videos you guys enjoy!
Have you contacted Winspace to ask about the spoke issue? would be curious as to what they say.
Ya I did contact them and they gave me the correct specs to rebuild the wheels, spoke tension and tool to use. I passed that information to the shop I took the wheels to, and they rebuild them to there factory specs. Winspace also told me to contact them again if this doesn't solve the problem.
Great video man! I have an acquaintance who rides these, I somehow cant take his word for it, he likes them, although he had a whole host of problems with them in the past, mostly a sound that was driving him crazy. The distributor took them and changed parts in the hubs and what not, but after months of back and forth, someone figured out that it was the spokes rubbing against each other that was creating that awful sound. Recently he bought another pair, I cant understand why. I like your low key way of speaking and explaining, you remind me of a friend of mine from Hungary. Are you Hungarian by any chance? Thanks for the honest video.
Thanks for the view and comment!
I’m sure the set of hypers I have is defective, either bearing or hub is messed up. A lot of people that are commenting on this video only have nice things to say about these wheels. I’m going to be sending my set out to winspaces us service center to get the rebuilt with new parts and hopefully that will make everything a lot better. I will make a follow up video to update everyone!
Not Hungarian, I’m Armenian. I know I have a monotone voice😂
@@cycling8189 Yeah I really hope you get it sorted and without too much pain. There is nothing more annoying than having performance stuff that that doesn't work as it should.
@@cycling8189 Hungary, Armenia, I'm going to say that's close enough. You don't look exactly the same, but given the distance, there is something remarkably similar. And I meant it as a compliment. Take care and thanks for the reply's.
@@hmudesign Thanks for the support! I will do my best to keep making videos like this. Ride safe!
Very informative, thank you. I was tempted, but the aero carbon spokes made me worry as I am 86Kg. I will stick with easily replaceable spokes.
Thanks for watching.
If you still want a budget set of carbon wheels I would suggest light bicycle farsports or btlos.
@@564typeR yes, at the moment I have a set of Prime RR-50 V3, it's a Wiggle/Chain Reaction branded Chinese wheelset. Worked well so far, I reviewed it on my channel. I had an issue with the nipples and it was not a big problem to fix. I was tempted by the low weight of the Winspace, but your review is a good insight.
Thanks for watching @Federico Ciampella I would suggest getting another brand or wait to see what Winspace does for the next gen Hypers.
Great video, I'd like to clarify a few pointers, these wheels are extremely aero, your issue will have been the spoke rotation and possibly as a result the wheels coming out of true. This is an issue that I have experienced with my set that I run on my not so entry level Campagnolo SR eps equipped Colnago C60. I stripped my wheelset down and rebuild them using loctite on the Nipples (quite involving due to the construction). The result has been 100% true and zero spoke movement after feedback was passed onto Winspace I believe they are looking into or are now using threadlock also. The stiffness of the carbon spokes under tension seems to be a contributing factor.
I purchased the 50mm Hyper's to compare against my Zipp 303 NSW's and I can say without doubt my preference lies with the Winspace due to their lateral stiffness and weight.I regularly ride in 15mph crosswinds and while my Zipps are a little better the Hypers are still good considering their extra depth, you should try Campagnolo Bora or Lightweight they are leathal. For clarity the difference between a class leading aero rim like the Winspace and a not so aero like the Zipp NSW is not something that could be measured by the cyclist on a ride due to the amount of variables experienced.
I noticed there’s no special brake surface on the wheels themselves, is that’s correct? I just got mine in the mail and I’m afraid there’s no brake surface for my rim brake.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
True there is no special surface on the brake track but the stopping power to fine on these hypers. No better or worse than other carbon wheelset I’ve had from zipp, vision, Easton, Reynolds.
I own this 38mm and 50mm hyper wheelset, after 1000km riding i feel it is faster than my other wheelset, it is really robust, responsive feeling wheelset , i like it
Do you ride the 50's on moderately windy days?
Good review IMO. I appreciate your time and effort. I wouldn't worry about the "quantifiable" aero testing comments personally. Subjective impressions are still relevant regardless of what others are saying here. In some cases, I think they are more important. I build and test road wheels myself, so I get a lot of subjective feedback from my projects and people's commentary is very relevant and helpful to me. Good luck on the channel!
Thanks for watching and commenting. You can't please everyone, even with "data" which I'm sure really is irrelevant due to changing conditions and different environments for everyone. However I got my hands on a set of Vision Metro 55sl wheels and I will be doing a back to back test comparing the 2 wheel sets to see the true difference, stay tuned for that!
I didnt think the cross winds were that bad, definitely different than my shallow aluminum wheels. Nothing I couldnt handle. Once you get that first jolt of wind its fine, but thats just me. Hopefully I dont have these issues with my 50's. Mines are a current batch and I believe I saw somewhere where they updated parts of the wheels
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I hope the best luck for your wheel set. Have you had deep carbon wheels before of will this be your first set?
Finally a real review without bs against the bike industry or for a "new brand" . Yes the indusrty has it floors but some people's reviews on "non main stream" products are as bad as the "cycling media" reviewing the "main stream brands for telling you want you want to hear. If your not racing you do not need 50mm wheels AT ALL
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’m glad this video was helpful for you and hopefully more of my upcoming content will be the same!
Can you do some objective tests with power data? I want believe your side of the story too, but it's hard to determine which is which. At least the "hype" youtubers provided objective segment time data at consistent power. Maybe the Zipps are faster, but hard to say without quantifiable data.
Thanks for watching and commenting, please watch my other video comparing the Hypers with Vision metrons.
th-cam.com/video/m6uFDpQ4_4A/w-d-xo.html
having a bmc time machine1 as a "recreational cyclist" and complaining its stiff is kinda funny. thanks for the review!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Haha ya my bmc is super stiff but I love the looks of it and if it looks good it goes faster right? 🤣. Anyway the hypers made the ride much stiffer. I actually just tested some vision metron 55sl today and it’s not as stiff as the hypers but it made the overall ride better.
@@cycling8189 BMC TEAM machine?
@@jjmoto65 BMC TMR01 (Time Machine Road)
Thanks for the review. I was looking at those too but I decided against it because I was worried they would be too stiff because the roads where I live are rough. Coming off a set of Kysrium SLS I picked up a set of Bontrager Aeolus xxx 6 for $1275 used. Rear hub is DT Swiss and almost silent when lubed. Cross winds are absolutely no issue. Wheels spin for 4 minutes on the stand so the bearings seem pretty awesome. When riding it feels like you are gliding and much much smoother than my Mavics. Check them out. I also ride a BMC teammachine slr01 d-a di2 2013. With 25c GP 5k tires they just fit.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Im glad you found the review helpful!
The Bontrager are more of a V shaped rim profile though. How's the comfort on the XXX6 compared to tyour previous wheel?
@@jimmyhor78 comfort is better than the Kysriums, could be partly due the 21mm rim width vs. 14mm on the Mavics. I am running 25c tires on both. Fundmentally the Bontrager xxx have fewer and thinner spokes so that probably has more to do with it. I can't comment on how flex they are in a sprint as I am not a strong rider. Honestly the Bontragers are less twitchy in cross wind and the Mavics, I think because the Mavics have a lot of surface area on the spokes and the Bontragers don't. You can definitely feel a push with the xxx, but it's more noticeable when the wind dies off than actually when you hit a gust. Regarding the v shipped profile - while it's true they aren't blunt like some new ones out there, the stability is remarkable. Compared to the Mavics, I can't imagine a wheel that could be more stable. Drag is 1 watt lower than the Winspace 50s per hambini's chart. For me the combination of proven low drag, good design, overall comfort are what sold me.
@@melmyers4164 nice reply. Where did you purchase the wheels used? Are they rim or disc? I've really considered looking at the used market but am a bit apprehensive when it comes to buying used bicycle parts. Always worried why are they selling them is something wrong with the item. I did actually buy a bike second hand but the seller was very helpful and forthcoming and eased my concerns. He even removed the front fork and sent pictures so I could inspect the carbon steerer tube. Cheers
@@melmyers4164 Thank you for your feedback. Btw Hambini's charts are nonsense. There's no evidence he did any wind tunnel tests.
I may have missed this in all the comments so sorry if I have. What weight are you as with all wheels they have a weight limit, this is in response to your issues with spokes. I have these wheels weigh 73kg and have had nothing but great results from them with 3000 miles clocked up on them. 👍
My total system weight is 85kg, under the limit so I shouldn’t be having issues. I’ve had people tell me they had the same spoke issue too so it seems like a common problem.
I dont think ive ever heard anyone not mention spoke problems with these wheels where spokes came loose. The most extreme case being a guy who had to fully rebuild both wheels and re loctite all spokes
Thanks for watching and the support.
Ya there is a design problem with the hub/spoke interface. I had to get my wheels rebuilt a few times in less than a year to fix that issue.
For my part, I have Hyper 50 rim brakes. My first impression (important first impressions) is the stiffness of the wheel as well as its aerodynamics, compared to my 38 from another brand. I was absolutely not bothered by the cross winds and I find that they are handling this situation very well. The hub is noisy, that's obvious. The solution is certainly not to drown it in grease. For the moment, after about 1000 km, I don't have a noise problem that some TH-camrs have mentioned. Sometimes this was due to the blocking axis not tight enough for some. Luesher just made a video on these wheels. Like a tennis racket and its string, we must also glimpse these wheels with their tires, their sizes, their pressure. These different parameters affect the rigidity. I weigh 68kg, I don't work for Winspace. I changed the GP 5000 for Pirelli Zero (23 at the front and 25 at the rear but they cut bigger) because the GPs were very difficult to remove because I ride with inner tubes. Good road
Thanks for watching and commenting. I haven't had any of the hub noise issue either. What kind of 38mm wheels were you riding before?
@@cycling8189 Farsport Dt Swiss 240
Good review!! When are you going to test the 2023 version?
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Only way I would review the new ones is if winspace sends them to me, but I doubt they would 🤣
Similar experience. Not a bad wheel at all, but having owned others, they didn't really stand out, with the exception of being too stiff, bordering on a bit harsh and non compliant - especially for longer rides. I also noticed a considerable amount of spoke "plink".
Thanks for watching and commenting! This was a good first try for Winspace on these wheels. Im sure they will iron out all the imperfections on the next gen!
The problem of super lightweight wheels is they have no rolling momentum behind them. It’s like if you roll a basketball and a bowling ball together which ones gonna roll farther the one with the more rolling weight…
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Good point on the rolling momentum, but I thought the lightweight wheels would have been faster on the uphill test at least but they are slower too. As I’ve said before my set of hypers may have been defective somehow, but no doubt in my mind they felt slower and harder to hold speed from the day i put them on. It just took me some time get myself to admit I may have just wasted $1200 on a slower wheelset than I had before. Lucky winspace gave me a full refund 👍.
Questionable wheels and QC but great customer service.
I’ve been waiting for this. I knew this kind of negative review was coming! I never believed the hype! TH-camrs who get given them for free and then ride them for a few weeks cannot be trusted in their appraisals. I only trust people who buy things themselves and then give a long term review!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Agree with you about not being enough real world long term reviews on these wheels. Honestly for the longest time I didn't want to admit to myself that these wheels didn't feel as good as I thought they would have been.
@@cycling8189 Watch the video from Luescher Teknik on his long term review and engineering breakdown stress tests.
@@jjmoto65 Watched the video, he does a great job on testing the wheel but I'm not claiming its build weak or its a flexy wheel set. With my almost one year and 1000 miles with them I have had to get them rebuilt 2 times with money out of a my pocket because the spokes move around and the fact that my Hypers are slower than what Winspace claims. But this just could be a defective wheel or maybe the bearing in my hypers are shot.
Also don't believe everything you see or hear on TH-cam. If a company is sending you a product to review and offering your views a discount code and some money kick-back if your views use it to buy the product then your not gonna give a negative review. You want your views to buy that product with your code so you can make some money! Thats what I hear around the block.
@@cycling8189 trust me I don't believe everything on TH-cam. I was referring to his video because if you watched the entire video you would know that he used the wheels for a significant time/distance accumulated before performing his stress tests. Also he clearly states he purchased the set and didn't receive a "special set" and he has no affiliation with winspace. He doesn't have any discount codes or other gimmicks.
I like mine a lot, but they are a little too stiff. I got wheel skips when cornering and had to lower PSI. They are really light, but the aero data they claim is missing some essential elements.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Im glad you are enjoying your set of Hypers!
And yes I would not trust there aero data, if these wheels are really that aero and fast why aren't pro tour team using them on every stage and time trials...
@@cycling8189 Because the company doesn't have that kind of marketing money.
Bladed spokes are another big reason crosswinds effect controlability. My experience with many wheelsets over the years have taught me that bladed spokes are BS. Get that wheelset relaced with some round spokes and I'm sure you will notice the difference. Sure it will add a few grams and you may lose some in the stiffness department but you won't notice that if you use some Sapin CX-Ray spokes. What's more important, light weight or control.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I will keep this in mind if I ever decided to replace all the spokes
I agree with this assessment of crosswind stability due to the bladed spokes - my Mavic Kysriums (box rim + a lot of thick bladed spokes) are pretty twitchy in strong cross winds- even compared to my 60mm Bontrager wheels.
Had exact same issues you've had with loose spokes, a snapped rear spoke as well
Did you get them fixed and if so has the problem happens again?
@@cycling8189 couldn't fix the spoke so discarded it and used one of the replacements. The rear spoke loosened after every 100 or so KMs so reached out to Winspace and they gave some guidance. My mechanic in the end just used the highest strength loctite
First question:
What was your weight while you were riding these?
Second question:
Do you race?
Third question:
Did you replace the bearings?
Thanks
Thanks for watching and commenting.
1. I am about 77kg (170lbs) while I had these hypers, plus 7kg for bike.
2.No racing but do enjoy climbing/descending as fast as I can and occasional quick group ride with friends.
3. Didn’t replace the bearings. I know now that a lot of people are changing them to quality ones. I guess the ceramic bearing the hypers come with are questionable, but also that brings up the questions if they are cheating out on the bearing what else are they cheeping out on?
@@cycling8189 no offense but the types of novice testing you’ve done to compare the Hypers with other wheels is just null and void IMO. These are not time trial wheels nor is your data backed with even power numbers. These are some stiff race wheels for the crit racers out there. I’ve watched your reviews for the sake of it but nothing to take home. I’d rather rely on more scientific reviews done by many others. Still deciding on purchasing Hyper 50. More homework to be done.
@@AdventurismPk I’m here to share my experience with these wheels. I got them because everyone was saying these wheels are the best they have used. I got them and they were the worst wheels I have used. Maybe my set was defective but I am happy I got rid of them and got a quality set instead and now my bike feels fast again.
Get the hypers you may have more luck than me but I would suggest you don’t fall for there marketing and get a better set of wheels with known quality hubs and spokes. Just my 2 cents 😉
@@cycling8189 if I go by your suggestion. What wheels would your suggest? I own Zipp 404 FC 2019. Terribly sluggish !
@@AdventurismPk I got myself a set of Vision Metron 55SL (world tour proven wheelset), they are great and I found them for about $1300 new (always easy to find on sale). They are head over heels better than the Hypers in everything for about the same price, plus if i need spare parts I can get them in a day or 2 and not have to wait for spare parts from China...
If you are budget minded go for a custom built set from lightbicycle or farsports with dt-swiss hubs, or any name brand you like.
I had Zipp 404 FC (2014ish I believe) also (clincher, non tubless). They were fast but not super stiff, I borrowed some 404 nsw from a friend and they were just as fast and stiffer, but I only got to use them for 1 ride so I dont really count it as a true test.
The bearings are weak points but earlier forms of the 404 zipper had bearing problems also
Thanks for watching and commenting. Maybe one day I will swap out the bearing and see what happens.
Are those go with ceramic bearings ?
I have been riding the winspace hypers along with my racing team since the beginning of this year. Sorry you've had a bad experience but our team has a lot of success and a really good experience using winspace. Looking forward to their new model. I think they have proven you don't need to pay 3x the price for similar performance.
The issue with the wheels loosing speed is not necessarily aerodynamics. These are very light wheels which (as you said) makes it very easy to accelerate them, but equally it means they decelerate quicker so you need more energy to keep them spinning at the same speed. Other deep section wheelsets may be much heavier which creates more of a flywheel effect and therefore requires less energy to keep them spinning. Also the speed at which you will start noticing this depends on a lot of other factors (rider weight, rider aerodynamics, fitness etc).
I‘m sure that there are aerodynamic differences between the HYPERs and your old ZIPPs but I don’t think you can reasonably compare those in the real world if there are still differences in weight and weight distribution.
As for the spokes, I’ve heard of it before that bladed straight pull spokes tend to twist and in my opinion thats an underlying flaw with the straight pull design concept in combination with blades spokes. It is nearly impossible for a J-bend spoke to twist so that’s what I would always go for if possible.
This is my view when looking at it from a physics/engineering stand point (I study mechanical engineering), but so far I’ve not actually tried these wheels yet.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yea the weight could be a factor of why the wheels feel so slow and are slow in the tests I did. Also with the bladed spokes, Ive have many sets of wheels (both mtb and road, carbon and aluminum) with bladed spokes and non of them ever had twisted spokes. Sure some came loose but the remained straight. In the world of marginal gain of 2 to 3 watts I wonder how much a couple of twisted spokes does...
Winspace just released new Hyper wheels but it looks like they use the same spoke/hub design so im sure the twisted spokes will continue happenings until they change the spoke/hub design/interface. It looks like all the Chinese carbon spoke brand are using the same hub/spokes so im sure this isnt only a Winspace Hyper issue.
50,000 + wheel-sets sold later after the first generation Hyper, Windspace is launching a next generation for 2023. The proof is in their success!
Good for winspace. That doesn’t mean it’s a perfect product. A lot of people have told me about their problems with the hypers. Ya they updated the wheel depth and width but from the looks of it the problem with rotating spokes is still going to be an issue. I hope they can solve all these problem and make a killer wheelset for the same price point.
Winspace needs to make there hub and spoke interface rectangular (like cadex) not round, if it’s rectangular that will stop the rotating spokes.
Seems quite contradictory when compared to all the other reviews that basically say "omg best wheels ever made"
Are all the other reviews fake then? So far this looks like the only honest review, the bigger channels can't be trusted then. I own the zipp 404 myself (2016 version) and have thought about selling them even though I like them because everyone is saying how good these are so I really thought it would be a no brainer since they're apparently faster and lighter. Some even say they're better than zipps and enves but I have to ask why? The durability and warranty is another great point, who knows how durable these are and how long will they last? Zipp offer a lifetime warranty on their wheels so it's a far safer option for someone like me that doesn't like working on bikes. Yeah maybe these accelerate slightly faster but does it really matter?
I was in the same boat as you, in fact I could have bought a used set of Zippier 404 NSW (test road them too, amazing wheelset) instead of the Hypers but I thought the Hypers were better, and I wanted to try them. I have been kicking myself in the head ever since.
Also Im not sure how long the popular you tubers used these wheels for before they told everyone there are the best wheel set out there. If I rode these wheels for a few week I would think they are fantastic too, but after nearly 1000 miles, not so much.
@@cycling8189 those youtubers are definitely paid by winspace, stopped watching their contents since.
LOL, Zipp’s supposed “lifetime warranty” on their wheels is BS, and you’d know that if you actually read the fine print. After 2 years you are essentially shit out of luck, but can get warranty replacements at “ a reduced price from full retail”!
Their so called “lifetime wheelset warranty” policy is a Sram marketing gimmick to sell wildly overpriced wheels to gullible fools at silly prices so they can pose with a Zipp decal on their wheels. LOL 😆😆😆
This channel is posting for clickbait. I've had a dozen or so various branded sets of carbon wheels. These HYPER are by far the best performance in both rim and disc form. This guy just wants to generate views. It's not just TH-camrs giving the good reviews. Its every other consumer who's used them long-term who are riding in my local groups who have no affiliation to the company.
I've had the Hyper 50's for around 3 years - they're fast, stiff, haven't had any mechanical issues with them other than super windy days.......for which I bought a pair of Lun 30's, and they handle the wind like a champ. I had a pair of Enve 3.4's about 5-6 years ago, and they were absolute garbage - they had the lateral stiffness of a wet noodle and were horrendous in the wind.
Same issue with me with the 404...sold them too
Excellent long term honest review, seems like their ok wheels but durability is a big question.
They are ok wheels if the spoke moving around issue is fixed. But as I said in the video I would only recommend the 38mm ones.
@RickSteier it may be worth waiting too see if they have any design updated in the near future or wait for gen 2 of the wheels
Very honest review. This is something that normal users like me can relate :)
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad my video was useful!
I own both rim and disk 38 hypers. So far so good. I’m around 90kilos
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I guess I’m an unlucky customer that got a defective set.
If I may include my own inputs, the wheel flex you're getting might due to the new skewers you put. I'm a bike mechanic and I've resolved many issues on clients' bikes just by telling them to put back their heavy skewers. I myself had a pair of KCNC skewers on my Mavic Ksyrium SL's, and with them I would get tire rub on my carbon wishbone seatstays. Slapped the stock Mavic skewers back on and they've been golden.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I tired 5 different skewers with my zipps the wheel still flexy. Still had the brake rub.
Magic skewers are the best available
I bought the Lun 60mm which have the same freehub body as the Hypers if not mistaken. The freehub came loose on my 1st ride and I have to sent it back. Its annoying as you are paying good money on brand new wheel and you are left with no wheels after 1st ride. I did read in other Yt channel that some of them encountered the same issue as well which Winspace sent them a new freehub.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Ya that’s why I would prefer a wheels build with a dt-Swiss hub or any hub that parts are easy to find and won’t take long to get.
I think Lun and Winspace are the same company! Hence, all the Winspace Hyper wheels on YT I've seen always comes in a Lun branded box.
@@DSKHo1968 yes, Winspaces brands there wheels as Lun. So technically they should be called the Lun hypers 😉
Interesting. Leuscher Teknik, who has no affiliation with any of the products he reviews actually measured the stiffness of the Winspace 50’s using laboratory equipment, and they were laterally stiffer than both Zipp 404’s and comparable depth Enve’s. And he’s not basing that statement off a subjective opinion or “personal feel”, but by measuring the actual deflection of the wheel in a lab when measurable forces are applied to the wheels.
I don’t own Zipp 404’s at the present, but I used to run a pair and they are certainly not near the top of the list regarding lateral stiffness for CF wheels near that rim depth.
This channel is posting for clickbait. I've had a dozen or so various branded sets of carbon wheels. These HYPER are by far the best performance in both rim and disc form. This guy just wants to generate views. It's not just TH-camrs giving the good reviews. Its every other consumer who's used them long-term who are riding in my local groups who have no affiliation to the company.
Lynfieldpenis - Agreed.
And this guy unlike Teknik, or Peak Torque, or Hambini has zero actual data, engineering, or facts to back up his BS. Just the old “I felt they were not as fast, yada, yada, yada…BS.”! And it’s comical that he talks about the hubs maybe being bad or having bad bearings, and yet he’s coming off Zipp 404’s that have had some of the worst consistently bad hub bearing issues of any performance wheelset in the last decade. 😆
Guys like Peak Torque, Teknik, etc… actually back up their claims with real engineering analysis, unlike most of the laughable and gullible Zipp poser cheerleaders, etc… like this clown.
I just came on here for a few laughs. I knew in advance it was likely to be non-factual BS just by the clickbait title. 😆
@@rcg9573 there's around 18 riders in my local group who run HYPER in various sizes on various framesets, a few even own the Winspace framesets. Every paid retail + shipping + import tax 15% in our country. We ride them tubeless, latex tubes and normal tubes. Big sample size. Big variation. Everyone talks. No one has a TH-cam channel with two vids posting to get views but our consumer feedback consensus is, they are the best value, best performing wheelset we can source in the world for under $1500 USD. We do have a local national distributor who brings them in so stock availability is a bit better with better support but they're as good as people say they are if not better.
Thanks for posting and commenting. Zipps are decently not as stiff as hypers. Also I just did some tests with hypers vs vision 55sl abs the results speak for themselves. Video will be up soon.
@@rcg9573 The mistake you make is thinking that Hambini has actual data as well... His "aero tests" are highly dubious and probably completely faked. He now admits he no longer tests in the wind tunnel (if in fact he ever did) but still posts supposed aero "data" that he generates by some magical method known only to himself. Maybe you should use the same skeptical approach to his videos as you do this guy.
In the crosswinds it's better the U shape rim than the V shape rim?
Yes U shaped rims are better in crosswinds.
With a V shaped rim in cross winds the air separates causing instability.
That means an 80mm rim at 25mm width it's ok?@@cycling8189
I am a little interested but I think that $1200 for it it’s too much for me. I got a pair of bontrager Aeolus 50 for $980 new plus tax at trek. I’ll wait a little more to see where this brand goes. There is an American brand called Alto cycling and they make their own hubs and spokes for almost the same price, they are worth the try.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’ve heard of Alto but never seen them or ridden them before.
There’s so much paid for or sponsored hype from TH-camrs who daren’t say a bad word about these wheels. They’re bang average.
Also with you on the 404 wheelset. They’re awesome
Thanks for your HONEST review
Thanks for the views and comments!
This is the new way of marketing now. A company throws some $$$ at a content creator to say good things about there products and offers a discount code for there followers so if they use your link the content creator get some $$$ from the sale, so why wouldn’t a content creator say nothing but good things so they can get paid!
These carbon spokes aren't as aero as regular bladed steel spokes as the rounded section at the ends are longer and are larger diameter than a steel spoke. And the fact that they rotate as you ride does nothing to help.
Not sure about the aero gains but they do look cool, if they don’t move 🤣.
I Wonder i would buy them but they are now 1300 eur (usd) +shipement 100 or 50 usd then 1400 usd and you can find zipp firecrest for 1450 eur (usd) or campagnolo for 1750 eur .is it a good deal ? But i think they are very good i wonder for the moment i m sorry thé last time 1000 usd and strong eur vs usd that was à very good deal
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yes the Hypers were a better deal but now you can find much better wheels for around the same price. I replaced my hypers with a set of vision metron 55sl wheelset that were about the same price on sale. And the vision wheels are a world tour proven wheelset 😉
I have the 65 rim version , it's fast I've tested it on my local loop, with a assioma power metre. I think you had a bad set..
great review i had these wheels and they fell apart quicker than a chinese motorcycle !!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Sorry your set didn’t live up to the hype either.
What went wrong with your set?
Thanks for doing the review. It sounds like you've been unlucky with the spoke problems.
Thanks for watching!
Ya, the spoke issue is frustrating and getting expensive. Hopefully after the last shop rebuilt them they will be ok.
@@cycling8189 Please do a follow up review in a few months or if/when probs start.
@@DanTuber I plan on doing that. Also, soon I will be making a video comparing these Hypers to some Vision Metron 55.
I have purchased two sets with a promotion Winspace had. Asked to exchange to a disc version from a rim brake model, same price and I would paying shipping to return and ship identical exchange and they said no. Never again. Horrible customer service.
what about token konax pro ?
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don’t know much about the token konax pros. I don’t want to recommend something I haven’t seen or tried.
were ur spokes tight enough?
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yes they were. The first time the wheels were fresh from the factory and the other 2 times I had them rebuilt to winspaces factory specs.
I love my 2 sets of hypers...
Thanks for watching and commenting! Are these your first set of carbon wheels?
@@cycling8189 No, they are the third. Granted: I don't have a bling pair of firecrests, my other carbon wheels are propably rather entry level.
I rode 88mm leeze on my Tribike before. The hypers are surprisingly fast, even compared to those.
Also, on my Roadbike I had alexrims oem carbon wheels with hidden nipples. The Winspace are much faster at the same depth.
lightbicycle
Thanks for the honest review. I’m more apt to listen to the average joe rider than someone in the industry.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy to hear you liked the video and could relate to it!
You bought a lemon, because they’re pretty good wheels. Specially the 2023
Thank for watching and commenting! Ya im sure mine were lemons, but have have heard horror stories from others with Hypers too. Im sure the 2023 wheels are better but I would still like it if they used a DT hub instead of the cheap one they use.
This channel is posting for clickbait. I've had a dozen or so various branded sets of carbon wheels. These HYPER are by far the best performance in both rim and disc form. This guy just wants to generate views. It's not just TH-camrs giving the good reviews. Its every other consumer who's used them long-term who are riding in my local groups who have no affiliation to the company.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Please watch the video I just uploaded on my channel, its the hypers vs Vision Metron 55 with data you will be surprised and dissapointed.
My chainsaw makes less noise than that!😂Makes me appreciate my Shimano hubs.
haha, I think you may be right!
no way its the bearings after a few rides
Thanks for watching and commenting.
It’s a well know fact that the bearing in the hypers are one of the weakest parts of this wheelset. If anyone buys them I would suggest buying a set of quality bearing along with them.
@@cycling8189 after 3 rides?
Bots everywhere
i think this video is dangerously misleading. but that is the internet...
FYI I believe these set of hypers are defective. I sent them back to winspace and bought myself another wheelset. A lot of people commenting on this video love hypers but there was defiantly something wrong with mine which being up there QC.
You don’t race and ride for fitness and you went for 50mm carbon wheels? Interesting… 🤔
I like the look. Most people riding $8k bikes don’t need that much bike but they want it and can afford it.
@@cycling8189 Most people who have 3 kids don’t buy 2 seat sports cars for their main car. 😉 They might like the look of it, but they make a rational decision based on needs. In my experience many cyclists seem incapable for some reason of coming to the same logical conditions when it comes to bikes?
Like I have customers who buy a gravel bike with no intention of riding on gravel and then ask me how they can make the bike faster for road riding? I ask, “What do you use the bike for? Do you want to race?”
They say “oh just for fitness riding on a Sunday morning.” Me, “then why do you want to make the bike faster? If you make the bike less effort to ride and faster you will basically get less health benefits?” It would be like buying a Mitsubishi 4x4 and then saying to the garage “Make this car handle like a Mazda MX5.”
So you are sad that the wheels don’t seem as fast as the zipps…
(in reality I’d bet money they are but it’s probably on the flat you are noticing a difference because the zipps are heavier and therefore will hold momentum better at mid range speeds. Like a flywheel. As for climbing, sprinting and aerodynamics I’d say the Hypers have it in the bag. If you were racing and a faster rider averaging 45-50kph you would definitely notice the aerodynamic benefits of the lighter and more aero Hypers.)
But if you don’t race, or do TTs and just ride for fitness it’s not really a problem. And as they were about 1/2 the price of a “good” zipp I wouldn’t worry.
@@reginaldscot165 watch my other videos. Hypers are slower and I found out they are defective. So I sent them back to winspace and have ordered new wheels. Yes I do ride for fitness and exercise,l but that doesn’t mean I should be riding a $800 aluminum bike. I can afford a nice bike and parts and for me I enjoy it. Yes I can get the same workout out of a cheaper bike but I’m I can afford nice things without bleeding my bank account.
winspace is just another chinese company trying to sell cheap chinese wheelsets at premium prices.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes they are Chinese but this is not at a premium price. Premium price to me is anything over $2000 USD. You can build a carbon wheel set from any reputable Chinese brand for about the same price of these Hypers, with with name brand hubs, and they would probably perform as well as any western brands. I have a Carbon wheel set from BTLOS on my XC mountain bike with DT 240 exp hubs and the wheels are rock soild.
This guy is under the delusion thinking that other big premium brands don't use companies like winspace to manufacture their products. Everything is made in China.
@@The86rick differences is Chinese brands will never admit to manufacturing defects. Have fun supporting a communist economy led by a self-made emperor claiming the South China sea as their territory by force.
@@cycling8189 anything more than 600 USD is too much fronted by a Chinese brand. And the fact these looks exactly like winspace hyper wheels. Don't need a Einstein brain to see this is winspace or someone hooking with winspace trying to rebrand winspace.
"Half" the price,at least
cant hear a shit