Winspace Hyper 2023 review - Carbon spoked wheels, refined.
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We need more people like PT, Hambini and others. Cycling market is full of shit products for premium prices..
Agreed. To me it's an Industry that's been "taken over" . The marketing is pretty much identical to the car industry. Parasites and sharks abound.
$9000 bikes and no one bats and eye. Oh,can't afford it? ?? Huh.Then make more money is the standard response.
Great review as always. I’ve always been impressed with the Winspace Hyper 50 wheels. I have a pair of the previous generation. I’ve done approximately 12,000 km & today haven’t had a problem. They’ve gone through their fair share of hard punishment & must say they still roll true, perform well & fast. I highly recommend. Great value for money. Pleasant riding 👍
Stumbled across this video, having not seen any of yours before. Hugely impressed - learned a ton and really well presented! Subscribed!
I'm surprised that the hub axles were uncoated at that price when you see cheaper brands have. Nice to see they listened and responded.
I have a set of Lun Grapid wheels and I had a very similar problem to you when I took them out of the box. The protective shipping end cap somehow pulled the freehub body off when I removed it and sent pawls all over the place. Thankfully I was able to find them all, so no harm done, but it wasn't a great introduction to the wheelset. Otherwise they are absolutely fantastic
Thanks! I have them. First carbon spoke and overall carbon wheelset. Super stiff - now I love the control and the feedback. Went a little down in tyre pressure and its a joy.
Fantastic review! Thank you! Ive been waiting
Great and insightful review, absolutely loving mine!
thanks again for the previous and current in depth reviews of these wheels. I have been riding the previous disc hypers for about a year and very happy with them....interesting to hear about the spokes making noise rather than the disc pads...descending in the alps this summer was horrible but not sure how to tell where the noise was coming from...pretty sure it was the discs though...have been running tubeless with no issues - currently on veloflex tyres which have in my mind outperformed others i have tried...no need to upgrade to latest hypers but would recommend them.
Loving the super detailed review!
I recall reading in a bicycle trade magazine quite some time ago that a radial pattern was faster to produce by the manufacturers. No time wasted fiddling with crossing spokes. Also, notice the straight gage spokes on a radial pattern or low spoke count wheel. Thicker spokes make it easier to true the wheel. The spoke does not twist as it’s tightened all that much. VAR makes bladed spoke holding tools to eliminate this in wheel building.
The Mavic Helium Tubular Wheelset from the late 90s was a good example that started the concept. Mavic was shocked at market demand at a premium price point. The looks and spoke pattern captured attention and the marketing boys went into high gear. Everyone jumped on-board and started producing wheel sets soon after.
Prior we would have a bespoke set crafted to meet our objectives; hill climb, stiff criterium hoops, stout touring wheels, all designed for our specific weight.
So it seems the Winspace Hyper rear could use a cross pattern on the disk side to add a measure of safety in having both sides assume braking. Ideally, the pulling spokes radiating to the rear and braking toward the front.
It appears they were designed for ease of manufacture and looks relative to the disk side. Nice to see them make some of your suggested improvements, perhaps a few more and the set will be perfect.
Well certainly rim brake wheels at least, 2:1 (triplet) lacing is a great way to achieve equal spoke tension between the two sides of a rear wheel. Having radial NDS spokes is simply a consequence of that, I'm not sure how you would lace it without radial NDS. So I don't think there's much of a conspiracy or anything, for a given spoke count it genuinely is superior for rim brake wheels. Of course with disc brakes it's a bit different though, there's still the benefit of closer spoke tension but then there's the trade off with torsion through the hub as PT explains.
Great video! Would you have a video breaking down your preferences for the individual components for a road bike? Figured it would be helpful for someone building from the frame up or even changing components to fit a particular need
Thank you I was very pleased with this review. I was surprised to hear your comment about ceramic bears vs steel however my deceased father was a tool and die maker in his day and I suspect that he would agree.
Excellent video as always, cheers.
Ive been riding the 38's tubeless all summer, 2k miles so far. Just added a little grease to the rear hub. They've been awesome so far, really great. Stiff, responsive, and they look damn good.
this is the first video I have seen of Peak Torque and I must say, I am totally impressed. It also comes at a perfect time. My bike was stolen a week ago and replacing it will be strain, but with the information I have learned from you on this and other videos I will be able to buy wheels on a budget that are very good. I also learned why my "brakes" squealed no matter what I did with my previous bike. Furthermore, I never realized how hubs effect the wheels. I thought as long as they were straight pull. Thank you for all you do.
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Fabulous review! Will subscribe
I have the rim brake version and took them to a wheel builder to check trueness before did anything. They were excellent and the wheel builder was very complementary. I have ridden quite a few carbon rim brake wheels and these stand head and shoulders above the rest. So much I am now choosing to ride my older rim brake bike over my disc brake bike.
I also have a rim break bike but I am worried about the width of the brake track. Does it fit into your calipers without any problem?
@@Agentchou r8000 it’s fine. R6800 it’s very tight but that’s what I have.
I like your analysis of marketing /reviews at start.
Fun fact...LUN is actually pronounced "lwen" in native Chinese accent..you nailed it...and they are located in XIAMEN pronounced as /siamən/. Awesome review too
The cassette/feehub detachment thing happened to me in Majorca. The bike box obviously got bashed about during transit from the UK, the box was also damaged. Fortunately i didn't lose the pawls and managed to put it back together. Love the wheels.
Fantastic review! Thank you for the deep dive information
Hambini should have his hairdresser review the moustache! Incredible review of these wheels. Thank you!!
If you doing aero testing I would LOVE to see light Bicycle 56s tested. I think you did a video a few years ago on the LB wheels. Would love to see how aero they are vs hypers.
Hi, great video as always. I have the first version of these and I'm pretty pleased with them.
I have a question about the Lateral Stiffness Test, I would've thought a higher stiffness is better for energy transfer and more efficient, but you also seem to say the modified spoke angle is an improvement, but this had resulted in a less stiff wheel, which I would imagine is less efficient? I know zipp are pushing their more efficient/less harsh wheels, so i kind of get the idea behind less stiffness. Thanks.
Thank you so much for the detailed review, I really appreciate your quality of review. If you were in the market to buy a rim brake wheel what would you choose as your first and second options? Thank you so much.
Excellent review! Can’t wait for the aero tests. Do you plan to add the v1 to the aero testing?
To me the biggest difference vs the old is the much better crosswinds stability. The D45 with 46+54 feels almost as crosswind proof as the old 38. That's major considering the way taller rims. I feel the stiffness is greater as well but could be just a feeling since the older model I've used for a year and the differences in rim height.
As for the less comfort due to stiffness, my D45 feels VERY comfortable with 25 front + 28 rear tubeless GP5000 S TR.
A spoke that does not pass through the axis of the wheel is always tangential to a circle with _some_ radius.
The concise way to characterise the profile geometry influencing torque stiffness is by effective moment arm, not by angle.
I would love to see you review a pair purchased with some else’s alias. For the most part, Winspace seems to be pushing the best but I’m still a little iffy when samples are given to reviewers. Only because they have control of how good that sample will be. If the consumer version is the same as yours, then I think they’ve really got what it takes
We have no problem doing this. In fact, it's the plan for how a certain Frenchman in a boiler suit is gonna get a pair...
@@WinspaceBikes Make sure the hairdresser gets a "pair" as well.
@@WinspaceBikes LOL!
We have about 10 lads in our club with the older gen hypers and they look and sound superb and they say the same best wheels they've had these hypers are awesome. I'm looking to get a set of the new ones soon just waiting for the missus to give me the go ahead😬
Yeah I’ve hear personal anecdotes from a friends friend (idk how trust worthy) saying the hubs are very bad but otherwise fine wheels
Great review, and I look forward to your real world aero testing.
Would be interested to hear more about the hub quality on these Hypers. Is the loud freehub noise any reflection of their quality/longevity/performance?
When do you think your aero testing will be available for us to see 😃
Riding the old style Winspace Hypers. Very stiff and fast, but can be slightly twitchy in cross-winds. Fantastic value and also no truing in one year after more than 10000 km
Its literally a tcr copy
@@mattk8810 considering the TCR is a frame, and these are wheels….
Depends the tires you use. With 27.5mm (real) tires, they were tricky in irregular sidewinds, with 25mm (michelin cup 23 that measure 25 once installed) they are much better.
Great review, I know your not a fan of tubeless on the road bike but would like to see you test something like a 28/30mm Continental TR tyre and provide real time feedback (not the bikeradar, cycling weekly, GCN biased reviews)
Love these reviews by "independent" testers this is one of the best. Running Cadex 42's on one my TCR's but considering these Hypers on my other due to this review. One of the most detailed honest engineers on youtube.
Cadex wheels manufactured by Winspace
@@pigupigu Seriously?
Win space is made in China cadex is Twain
@@1rickqwert wrong. 99% of all carbon products in tbe cycling industry come from Xiamen, china. Without getting into the whole taiwan is or isn't part of china debate, most products are manufactured in mainland china and transported to ports of Hong Kong and Taiwan to finish off paint or other procedures and then exported for lower tariff. Have you physically toured bike factories and their production and export process?
@@pigupigu You said specifically "manufactured by Winspace" Correct ?
Very nice review, love to see more of these incl outdoor aero testing. About road tubeless: I tried it for a few years now. With regular sealant the pressure is way too high. It will get you home but that's about it. If you pump up the tire back to the high pressure the sealant just pops out. With Stan's race sealant, with chunky particles in it, it seems to work better. Would be nice to see a real world comparison for rolling resistance. I think to have the same comfort level one should lower the pressure with an inner tube vs tubeless. Then the difference in rolling resistance might be even higher. Nice topic for the future of your awesome channel.
Define "high pressure". I see Silca has similar sealant called Ultimate or something that has large carbon particles in it, might worth a check.
@@tonyg3091 high as in relative to mtb pressures. In my case just 5 bar / 72 psi. The regular sealant would just hold up to 4 bar / 58 psi at best. I think sealant with any kind of larger particles or fibers will probably work but I'm nog sure about the environmental impact of the stuff.
@@janvanrookhuijzen8309 Well it is not as if you gonna spill it on regular basis or something. I ride my 28mm at 5/5.5-no problems whatsoever. With Stan;s Race that is.
@@tonyg3091 true, I hardly ever have a puncture anyway. I keep the inner tubes in until next season. Then it's tubeless again. For MTB however no inner tubes ever again.
Would love to see this tech in some affordable lightweight wideboi wheels. Like 24-25mm internal width to suit 30/32mm tyre. I don't care if it's marginally slower, 55psi feels better after 4 hours.
This cannot be understated! As someone who did 200km last Sunday on 25s at 100psi, my arse and back agree with you wholeheartedly.
@@JamesBos 200km is a short distance. I like to wear my bibs inside out so that I look like I have the arse of a baboon.
I’d like to see a review of the lun ones. Hardly any reviews around and would be interested how they perform against the hypers
Thanks!
What do you think of Hunt wheels? Their 54mm carbon spoke wheelset has a really low spoke count (18/20). It would be great to see some independent stiffness measurements.
Also, would it be possible for you to measure torsional stiffness? Is it too complicated or do you think that's just not important?
Great Video!
What is your opinion about Enve Wheels and Enve Carbon/Alu hubs?
About 7k kms on the previous version of the Hypers-not a single problem. Hope these are just as good. I don't know about horrible on horrible road, at 90 kg any wheel and frame becomes compliant lol
This made me chuckle.
Im an old school goy who loves a quiet bike ....these freehubs now!! I heard a Scribe freehub yesterday..we told him to ride in the back it was so bothersome...LOVE my new Shimano STEEL LOOSE BALL BEARINGS Ultegra c-50 wheels---quiet quiet quiet..............
Fantastic stuff. Would you ever consider doing a piece on hub maintenance? Perhaps not your focus.
Second question. I have this pair of Hyper 45s and love them. But I just bought a Cannondale Supersix EVO Ultegra Di2 with Hollowgram Knot SL 45s - I can't find a good review on the SLs and wondering if you're familiar with them and have an opinion? Trying to decide which are better/to keep.
How do the 45's compare to the 33's you plan on doing any testing with your new Aero Test Tool? I am not sure what to get to be honest :)
Good to see Winspace toned down the "butterfly effect" a bit. I wonder how others feel about that. Probably cancels the need for the black (painted) version now, which is a good thing.
They did? I do not see it here. BTW I love the looks of it, one of the reasons I bought my 50s
Is it worth considering upgrading to these if you have the previous generation?
I had the e act same freak accident happen to my mtb wheels, with DT Swiss hubs. The rear wheel fell drive side down onto concrete. It left behind the ned cap and driver body. The ratchets and springs went flying, and if damaged the driver.
I’ve been thinking a lot about carbon spoke wheels. These Hypers are definitely high in my list as R67.
Looking at other Carbon spoke wheels, have you seen the new Cadex 50 Ultra wheels? Their approach to aero spokes make a lot of sense to me, I wonder what your take on that is.
Winspace should provide the weight distribution, how heavy are the rims and how heavy are the hubs?
What do you think of the BRR test that concluded wider tyres at the same pressures are faster?
Great review. I noticed you said they’re the best budget carbon spoke wheelset. Assuming no budget, what are the best carbon spoke aero wheels on the market? I value your analytical approach.
My one wish still I hope they have non-carbon spokes option (I don't mind weight penalties), why? My friend has an accident for long ride (±1000km), hit a pot hole in rainy night and broke the 2/3 the spokes and front rim near the spoke hole some of it. Tricky to fix this so he abandon the rim as it is, on the way asking winspace for replacement/other option. It's real nightmare in that situation.
The rest, new winspace is actually nut for that price
assume youll probably have a view on the new 2023 SE...basically slightly lighter and steel bearings....look forward your thoughts on that
Good Review. They are still a maintenance nightmare. Try getting a spare spoke for when you break one. Then try and replace that broken spoke. The others will all be ceased up and impossible to true and tension without removing and replacing more spokes. Try and buy a replacement axle when that one wears out. It will because the freehub is not weather sealed and the inside of that freehub accumulates gunk so fast. Perform well, but be prepared for costs
Not weather sealed? Dang . Thats a miss if true
Indeed, the sealing on the freewheel is regular but it’s very easily accessible. And you won’t replace the freewheel but the bearings (that need special tools cause they are properly mounted with interference fit.
Paul, They come with spare spokes but they're a lot less likely to break than steel spokes (at least in a road application when you're not smashing into rocks.) If for some reason an unattended child has access to a chainsaw and decided to cut all your spokes... don't worry, we have replacements in stock and ready to ship (including in 4 warehouses around the globe.) Moving on... the freehub is weather sealed with a rubber gasket. Replacement axles? We've got you. Our 2023 Freehub body works with a pair of HYPER wheels from 2020. We try to keep things as backwards compatible as possible. For the record: I think you know your way around a bike, you're a fan of brass nipples and you have dealt with your fair share of bad designs... but I think in our case "maintenance nightmare" is a bit harsh. As PT proved in his video, we don't think we're perfect and we're open to criticism so we can improve, but keeping things in perspective keeps our product development roadmap on track. 🙌🙌🙌
Replacing the bearings (bearing on the rear wheel failed after about 6000-7000km) was indeed a nightmare. Worst part is, when trying to reattach the brake disk I somehow stripped the internal thread in the hub. 😣
I do not agree at all Paul. They are great wheels PERIOD🙂
Looking forward to a review on their on road performance. Tempted me with the discount code but it doesn’t work….??
I bought a pair of carbon wheels in ~2007. They were very expensive and rim brakes. It did not end well but the nurses in the hospital were nice. My neurosurgeon was not impressed. Thank goodness for disc brakes.
Have never ridden a carbon spoked wheel before, but heaps of carbon clinchers otherwise. My real question is are they worth the extra over some Farsports rims built on DT240s?
You mentioned a few times these being the best carbon spoked wheels for the price - out of interest what would you deem the best carbon spokes wheel available regardless of price ?
I should have went with the 45 lol I really like the 35s for climbing tho got some new KOMs
Hi! 🙂 Maybe u could help to decide what brand and which carbon wheels should I get? My rides are ussualy 30-100km with 100-400 meters of total climbs, so pretty flat. I think I should get around 45-50mm deep wheels? I could buy new zipp 303s from local shop for around 700 EU, or it would worth to spend around 1170 eu for Windpace hyper wheels? Or maybe something else? Also prefer louder hub sound as there where i live many pedestrians walking on bike paths and i dont like bells 🙂
Really appreciate the depth and detail of this review. Donated $9.99. You’re rich! 😂 💰
Thanks! How did you donate? I don't see it?
Will you also do a review on Drive 50D by Elite Wheels? Thanks
I appreciatedsalad fingers popping up at 3:24
I have a set of the original hyper 50 that I have been riding for past 1.5 years. A couple points
1: I am based in Australia and our roads are really crap, the wheels transmitt a lot of vibration . Because of the stiffness, on bumpy corners I find that I am slower than I was on my old Roval 40mm wheels with steel spokes. Maybe the fixed spoke angles will make the wheels less harsh ?
2: Totally agree that there should be retaining caps incase of spoke failure.
3: The dust caps should be made more secure, I have accedentally pulled the cluster off the hub.
4: It would be good if there is a option to purchase steel bearings instead of the ceramic. The original bearings only lasted a year. .
It is interesting to see that the new version of the Hyper 50 the front wheel profile is smaller. Hopefully this will improve the crosswind performance for lighter riders
The new hyper SE are practically the same wheel as the 2020 50 wheel only with black coating, steel bearings, and are cheaper by $200 before discount!
I believe the SE model is now exactly the same as the 2023, but with steel bearings and painted black rim.
Really interesting video. I am about 7 weeks i to the R45 wheel's and Really like them. Definitely agree that on bad roads... you certainly notice but personally i use them for racing and comfort isnt my top priority especially when they feel great the majority of the time. Really interested to see your aero testing!!!! Would love to see a comparison or separate video on the rom brake version 👍
What are you running for tires and at what pressure? I'm running the original rim brake hyper 50's with 25's....I run them at about 90 psi on a Cervelo P2 and I've done 120k on them and didn't find them especially harsh.
@@chrisgilligan4968 pirelli p zero tubless 26mm. My track pump is a bit crap so dont trust the readings! I run the back on about 5bar or just o er 70psi and the front a bit less. That seems really low hence i am not convinced it is accurate! Im 69/71kg.
@@neilmckenna236 I am running them tubeless as well. You are at the riding weight that I need to get to, but still have a good 8-9 kg to get there. I remember riding an aluminum frame bike on 23c tires at 120 psi....so these feel like butter really. 🤣🤣
On my other bike I'm riding Vision wheels with 28's on them at 80 psi and I'm not sure I notice much of a difference in comfort from the 25's.
@@chrisgilligan4968 i remember alloy wheels on 18mm tyres 🙈🤣
@@neilmckenna236 lol - and you're finding 25's at ~70 psi uncomfortable??
16:33 I would like to clarify some issues here, the offset by a fixed force done in the TM-1 is just a relative number and it is not linear compared to true spoke tension.
As a wheel builder, I would highly suggest you to make a spoke tension tool calibrator (it's easy to do and not expensive at all)! Pop out a spoke, measure the TM-1 offset for true 40-140kgf spoke tensions in 10 kgf steps, than calculate the actual tension of the wheel from that chart.
The end result will be worse than in your chart and the +-5% is a bit high anyway (in my opinion), thou sadly it is usual for factory built wheels. Usually I aim for +-1% when building and +-2% max unless the rim has some defects (aluminium ones usually worse in this case at their seam).
Of course, the meter reading is not absolute i think i mentioned that in the video We're just looking for the differences/ standard deviation
@@PeakTorque Sorry i missed that line! Anyway, the calibrated tool would fit your testing standards better IMHO. Keep up the good work!
winspace says that they were able to increase torsional stiffness by adjusting the spoke angle/make them more tangential on the rear hub. yet your testing shows the lateral stiffness being lower than the previous gen. is there an inverse relationship between torsional and lateral stiffness?
Any idea how these compare to cadex? They offer essentially the same thing at a much higher price.
Anyone else with the new Hyper D45 2023, that can’t hear the hub at all while riding? Probably my quiet wheels set. Winspace told me multiple times that all the new wheels come with a lot of grease in the free hub and they will became louder after 200km.
I’m 500km in and not happening. Anyone else fan of loud hubs here?
half of the spokes on my earlier version spun neartly 90deg.
Would you say that the Winspace wheels are better than Elite Drive Wheels?
How many hours of work did you put into reviewing these wheels PT ? Thorough and comprehensive. I think they should be paying you for all this quality feedback 👍
Next time I'll keep a log! Quite a lot
Looks like rim shapes and depth have been taken from par cours Strade?
I experience the same problem, too often, with the end caps easily sliding off the axel. I have been lucky not to have lost any pawls. Some of the pawls do fall out every time but I have found them.
Now as soon as I remove the rear wheel I tighten the skewer thus not permitting the end caps to move and allow the free body to disengage. What a headache this was.
If you do lose a pawl is that an issue for the freehub?
@@craiganavi I’m no mechanic but I would think the more pawls the faster engagement. You could ride with less pawls but I would replace the lost ones and not forget about them.
What should I get Farsport 50 mm with DTSwiss 240 hub or Ultegra C50 WH-8170 ?
You were quite critical of the ceramic bearings last time around. They have not changed them and you glossed over it. I do regularly watch your content as I think it's interesting but there are some technical inaccuracies. I am no engineer but I did mathematics at a high level, you explain about spoke angles but omit the distance the spoke has to go away or towards the hub which will change the angle. It is a 3D vector and not a 2D Vector, it can never be at a tangent. I do not want to come across negative but if I don't point it out then you may be unaware and can't improve. Thanks again for the content.
Completely right about the vector, yes can't just assume it's in 2d granted. However i did mention the bearings, a couple of times, saying I don't believe they last that long and would prefer steel. Its in there.
@@PeakTorque Thanks for taking the time to respond. 20000km is a long time for a set of bearings, and you didn't change them so it contradicts your comment above? Or have I misinterpreted it.
@@theillegalimmigrant9314 Sorry i should have been clearer, the first set probably lasted about 6k. They were totally norked, didnt change them, just de-greased and repacked but they are still pretty rough. Its on my list of jobs to replace them all!
@@PeakTorque Thankyou again for taking the time to respond and for all that you do for the cycling community.
@@PeakTorque Would be a nice to see a bearing change video and suggestions for some good steel bearings.
I have the D45 Wheelset but haven’t been able to ride them yet. The hubs are for through axels and I still ride on quick release axels. Anyone else had this issue or found a solution to equip the wheels to a quick release axel?
I have access to Winspace wheels, so I can try and see if merely swapping the end caps would work as this is something only a small handful of hubs can do, like the DT Swiss 240 (non-EXP version).
'A bit geeky'.....awesome!!
man can you take a look at the SLC 2.0 frame? ive heard good things about it as well
For rim brake bikes were hybrid rims -alu braking surface with carbon fairing abandoned too quickly? I think Hed is one of the few still offering such wheels with the Jets. I am sure the carbon clincher/tubeless heat issue played at least some part in the drive to disc brake bikes.
I really like the Hed Jets. Solid wheels, and alu brake track. If i had to buy another rim brake wheelset it would be those.
@@PeakTorque I have a set of the original Swissside Hadrons which are a similar design to the Jets. Certainly seem the best blend of advantages of aero carbon rims and alu braking surfaces.
@@PeakTorque As not having budget for carbon wheels over 1k euro and riding my trusty rim brake Cannondale SystemSix evo could you please drop your thoughts about Lún Routte 45mm Rim Brake Wheelset? I have read a tons articles about delamination of carbon brake surfaces but $1,400 for JET RC PERFORMANCE SERIES is over my budget. Bike weight is 7.5 + myself 78 kilo. I live in Georgia with no particularly long descents. Love climbing and that is why I am looking for replacing alu DT SWISS PR1600 32mm wheelset. One thing to add - I love to ride 30mm tires so wider rims is my choice. As engineer to engineer sending a big respect for constructive honest reviews of all the covered topics on the channel!
No need for disc brake… the rim brake carbon to carbon just ride fine👌🏻🙂
Curious to see the behavior of these wheels on cobblestones. Can you do it? Hambini won't.
Hey PT, what size tyres would you recommend running on these? 25 or 28?
28
Will you be reviewing the new 3.0 version?
I have the v1 and after watching your review, I’m thinking about switching to the v2 instead. Would be interesting to compare LUN Hyper to Vortex N Series which is nearly double the price of Hyper.
The Vortex wheels have bad QC control in my experience, but their design is great. Depends on your luck, you could get a bad pair with rough finishing.
@@Grunge_Cycling oh wow, thanks for the heads up. That’s a risky bet, considering their price for the N series. Might go for a “safer” bet like Black Inc or Fulcrum in that case
I just picked up a caad10, would it be reasonable to put on wheels that cost more than the rest of the bike?
If you like the frame, why not? You can always get a different frame later and use these wheels on that bike too.
Do you think of the wheels are stiff they are more dangerous in the wet?
@Peak Torque
What’s your strava acc ?
could you dab some superglue on the spoke nd hub to prevent them from all falling out?
No. You’d need to use a high strength epoxy to withstand catastrophic failure forces. Not worth it. Just engineer a simple cap, but that’s money/time in production and weight (grams count for high end wheels) for a very fringe case. I see why they do it this way.
@@aaronbuys im not talking about a permanent bond, just enough to keep a lose spoke from falling out... super glue is very strong too, i could glue your body off the ground to a glass wall with super glue and you couldnt break free, and youre what 200 pounds plus, so there you go
Would you say that the Winspace wheels are better than Elite?
Personally, the Elite looks more impressive to me.
Those or the elite wheel drive?:)
Can you go into more detail why different rim profiles on front / back is a good thing?
I assume for aerodynamics front wheel plays a bigger role but you can't make it too deep since it impact steering.
front wheel has a greater potential aerodynamic gain but this is limited by steering instability in crosswinds. rear wheel is not so limited so is often deeper despite smaller gains. Profile can be optimised to reduce limitations- eg a toroidal rim up front for crosswind stability and something sharper at rear for better aero. refer to hambinis recent aero wheel guide for discussion on rim profile
Correct
See Hambini
Can anyone tell me how loud the hubs are? Also, what’s it going to be like for spares - are they common bearing sizes that can easily be gotten hold of?
6903 and 6803 so are common. Medium loudness on the buzz scale!
You can Tune like any other one with just the amount of grease inside the freehub body.
@@PeakTorque awesome, thanks PT. What’re your overall thoughts on long term serviceability? For example, I note with Scribe’s wheels, a proprietary tool is required to get at one of the sets of bearings which isn’t ideal imo.
PS to any cycling brands reading this - love this type of review, everything you say (both good and bad) carries so much more precedence vs the paid for cycling publications and it’s exactly this kind of content that will inform my purchase decisions.
Your honest opinion, Elite drive or Hyper lun?
I'd also like to know this. Lightbicycle is also an option (with carbon spokes). I'm waiting for the D67 wheels to stock up !
I just want to hear your thoughts on the Hyper wheels. I purchased my Hyper on Oct of 2021 and it’s been great. However, a few days ago I happened to catch a small crease/bulge on the surface on both from and rear wheel (mainly on the disc rotor side). I asked my local distributor to check with Winspace and they said it was normal. However, I dont think it is normal because I know the wheels doesn’t come with bulging surface at the beginning. what are your thoughts? Is it safe to ride? Should it be under the warranty? Thank you very much!
Is it between the spokes? The butterfly weave leaves more material at the spokes than in the gaps between the spokes. Therefore when the rim is "stretched" when the wheel is built, there are some undulations of the rim as it passes from the reinforced spoke areas to the non-reinforced "between spoke" areas. It is very subtle though. If what you're describing is something different, email me ASAP. joe at winspace dot cc. :) Always here.
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What is that crank setup you got? Quarq with Dura Ace rings? PM?
Yes, it's a powermeter.
It looks like a Quarq Elsa RS powermeter with Dura Ace 9000 chainrings.
Quarq DFour gxp + da 9000 rings. Has been faultless
Does it fit 32mm tyres?
Current road bike riders: Stiff, stiff, stiffer! God damn I need at least 42C tires to bear a ride on that.
Look great wheels I had some Luns previously but just found the freehub annoyingly loud it's fine on a 30 mile loop but over an all day ride just became far to annoying for my liking.
If they had reduced the hub noise I may of been tempted but the old ones did my head in after a while
Couldn't you quite them down a bit with some grease? I'm considering a pair of these because they tic all of my boxes, except for the noise
@@CrabgrassFarmer u can but too much can make the paws stick I found on my luns doing this then made the hub bang if the paw wasn't engaging correctly there are 6 paws which seems way over kill. It's ashame as they're a lovely wheel apart from the sound. I get some people love it but to me it's screams cheapo wheels
@@danc1829 Thanks for the reply and info. I'll be glad when this loudness trend comes to an end!
Ive got the new D45 and honestly they are not loud at all, I can barely hear my hub while riding.
Just pedal more mate, pedal more :):)