Hi I recently bought a set of winspace hyper 50mm, and front and rear wheel ,have went out off true within 5/6 rides,I weigh 68 kilos and don’t race anymore, and the riding I done where easy,no sprints etc,spokes have twisted,not happy with wheels,also I bought the wheels on the back of TH-cam reviews like yours,and others
@@jasperverkuijl hi yes I have been exchanging emails,they want me to post and package them off,to a wheel builder in England,not so easily done,as I don’t have box they came in,but hoping that I can get a more confident solution,appreciate your reply 👍🏼
@@jasperverkuijl Hi jasper,yes I have been in touch with winspace,I have to send to England,to be repaired,it’s a bit inconvenient as I no longer have box they came in,I’ve to pay for it and try to get the cost back from them,it’s just that I’ve lost confidence in the wheels,so not sure what to do
@@bobbymillar7596 well they are offering to fix them so I think that’s a good job on their part. You can also go to wheeltec in the Netherlands (the shop I recorded this video). Marc can help you out with it I’m sure. Hope you get it sorted 👌🏻👌🏻
Marc definitely knows his stuff! Thank you to Jasper and Marc for putting the time into this. We'll say that selling 10 wheels, or 100 wheels, 1000 wheels or 10,000 wheels is totally different. When Jasper got these wheels (red freehub body) we were 95% to a great product. However, when you get into the tens of thousands of units sold, the feedback and data you get really lets you fine tune everything. The later wheels (black freehub body) addressed most of the (small!) problems here. We have legends of the industry like Bruce B(aka the cycle doctor - former record holder for most KMs in a month) and Keith D (record holder for most Strava KOMs) smashing these wheels day-in, day-out. We will continue to listen to feedback and improve where we can. We're super happy that Jasper has had 2-years of trouble-free riding from his wheels and look forward to him having years more!
Oh my goodness! All my favourite Cycling TH-camrs are sharing their thoughts here today: Jasper , Joe of China Cycling, Hambini and Patrick Lino! What a treat! Hello , guys!
I love Dutch people. I worked with Dutch companies when I lived in France, they are easily the most open minded in business I have seen in Europe and their English speaking level is ridiculously good.
I was thinking the same about Mark , he's has such a easy and smooth voice , you could listen even if you weren't interested in what he was talking about . I would love to have a fraction of his wheel building knowledge . I think the reason some people question Chinese carbon is because they're have been catastrophic frame and wheel failures . Thanks for the excellent video .
Thanks. If you like this one, watch my other video on berd spokes. (I titled it around Tom pidcocks Mtb wheels) It’s a similar style talk with the same builder but about very different wheels
So many lessons learned... but the one that makes more sense to me about getting fancy stuff is: (24:55) "does it provide a solution to a problem?... doesn't always have to be", men that can count for anything in life. Thanks
I own these wheels. I bought them for $1000 with a discount code. I LOVE them!!! I have hade every brand of wheels in the industry (Lightweight, ENVE, Reynolds, Zipp 404's, ect.). These are the best overall set I have every had. Sold all the others including the Lightweight's.
Nice to see such a professional wheel specialist teaching us what his job is about. Already purchased two wheelsets from Marc, one wheel is now in for a repair after a big issue in the downhill of the Grand Colombier.
Also, I'd rather let spokes break than the frame if a stick were to end up wedging itself between these two. Somebody had a pair of HYPERs on his first-gen Allez Sprint Disc and this happened to him. The seatstays were badly bent, but the spokes seem to be OK.
@@dannylai390 they are 65mm so probably not the best for 10 minute race paced climbs but I have no issues with the wheels during sub-5 minute punchy climbs. 50mm wheels are probably a better all around wheel
I enjoyed this video and found Marc's analysis quite informative. About 9 months ago I bought a pair and was kicking myself for not getting them back when they were $1000 for a set, but I feel better about the extra $200. Happy with them so far.
I got a set - on the way. Will chime in after riding... update: all good thus far. 3 months.... all good thus far. Very stable in the wind. At 65mm impressive.
great video, i have these wheels for over a year - after seeing lots of positive reviews and engineering assessments - good to see and hear some new things here though....we all know about compromises and cost benefit...these are way better than the hunt wheels i had previously and suit the way i now ride. I also use one set of wheels all year around, so good to see how yours have lasted.
@@raymondwebby2441 hi, i have some older Hunt wheels 50mm deep, and always found them to get more disturbed by cross winds then other similar wheels i tried. the price was of course attractive but spending a little more on the hypers gets better behaviour and ride quality
I bought these wheels, love them so far... best wheels under $4000 dollars really in my opinion. There are a few better options if you are a pro racer for sure, but for the $$$ these are extremely hard to beat.
Jasper, great content, I think you need to do more of this type of video where you go and get a technical expert! Perhaps get Hambini or Peak Torque on and talk about stiffness or Aero.
My bike came with Carbon Alexrims CF45, I haven't ridden as much with them yet, but compared to my €50,- second hand giant wheelset they are phenomenal! :')
Approximate at 22min, when they are talking about spoke entry angle, the builder was right in the beginning that these hyper spokes angles were out, however what he wasn't right is that these carbon spoke entry angle / hub flange hole drilling angles were initially designed so that the spokes are not touching each other. Going back to earlier winspace website, you can sell those spokes were not touching each other, thus the spoke entry angle was quite straight. However, many straightpull wheel users have reported the rattling noise on their wheels, so many companies started to cross their spokes in order to avoid the noise. Some clever companies will also tell you by doing so will improve the lateral stiffness. Back to the Hyper carbon spoke entry point, now the spokes are crossing each other, the potential consequence will be the spoke breakage, like two knives are constantly grinding each other, after hundreds of thousands rotations, they will fail dangerously. To all carbon spoke riders, make sure you regularly check your spokes for any damage, especially where the spokes are crossing each other.
Hi mate, You are not entirely correct on this. I have an early model of the hubs where the spokes are designed to cross and touch each other. Hence they kind of bend around each other which causes the different angles. On the new model (i talk about this in the video how they improved the hub design) the spokes still cross but don't touch. (They cross but stay "on one side" of each other). So in the new hub the spokes are in a straight line from the rim to hub and don't bend around each other. I believe this is only on the back wheel. Currently don't have the new wheels yet so can't check it side by side right now.
More convinced on the quality of winspace wheels and products now. Not that it's anything near my budget until the next few years, I just hope they will still remain competitive in pricing and not scale up to other western brands.
I think these are solid wheels. I seriously considered buying this wheelset but ultimately decided against it for one of the reasons spelled out in this video: too many proprietary parts. I ended up going with wheels that use regular CX-Ray spokes, external nipples and a DT Swiss hub as pretty much any shop can service that stuff.
'are they worth the money? yeah, sure, but would I buy them? no' ..... lmao! classic bike mechanic appraisal/conclusion right there..... I would definitely want to pursue an apprenticeship with this guy!
it's amazing how much a chinese brand has to go through just for people to trust them, but because big name brands can afford to sponsor teams people will pay double or more just for the wheels that are actually slower than these hyper winspace ones
Having worked with manufacturers in China, you're spot on. There's a lot of crap due to the sheer volume of global demand and hopes of entering international market. However, there's a surprising number of very decent manufacturers in China that are really annoyed with the majority of poor manufacturers as it makes it incredibly difficult to break into the Western market. Good for for Winspace - looks like they've earned it
There is a lot more to it than that. Chinese manufacturing doesn't exactly have a good reputation. Also how much are the staff in the factory being paid??
Good to see there are mechanics out there who only replace what really needs to be replaced. Nice informative video (Y) I think I will regrease my hub soon it has more than 7k on the clock :D If you want I can show 25k without service :D
Thanks for sharing Jasper! I'm currently researching wheels and my mind is all over the place. This video has me re-thinking the possibility of buying from this company, although the Hyper wheels you bought are too narrow for me. The narrowest tire I ever want to run is a 28mm and Winspace probably already has an option for riders like me. But we'll see. Glad to know that this company cares about quality and after seeing this result, not a bad choice at all. Cheers!
If you up want to ride really wide tires, look at the Winspace (Lún) gravel (grapid) wheels! Super wide internal with, similar hub to the hypers, steel spokes. Really nice wheelset I have on my gravel bike now.
I got some original 50mm Hypers. After much consultation (including Hambini) I decided to run 25mm front tire for optimal area and 28mm rear tire for comfort as there is minimal aero benefit at the back wheel due to disrupted airflow caused by the rider. The new 2023 Hypers are now optimised for 28mm tires. If I was to buy today I would buy the 50mm rims again as they are great in cross winds and lighter than the aluminium Mavics that came with my Cannondale Synapse disc break bike. I am a very happy Lunch customer and think they are excellent value for money.
Just to add a couple of comments - some people contacted me to comment on the inertia that was mentioned on here. I actually spoke to Jasper about it on the phone. The inertia is a function of the distance or radius squared. So if you have the weight at 10cm form the centerline vs weight 20cm from the centerline of the hub, the difference in inertia is actually 4 times more. 10^2 = 100, 20^2 =400. In most circumstances in the real world, you want to have wheels with low inertia, they will corner faster, accelerate faster and decelerate faster. The bike will also be more nimble. The only time a heavy wheel is advantageous is when you don't have to accelerate or decelerate much. There are various wheel companies that go on about having heavy wheels as an advantage, unsurprisingly their wheels are not low weight (low inertia)
upon further review i see that hyper wheels' spokes have the same problems as the elites. these carbon spoke must be mass produced and possibly cheaper than higher end spokes like sapim cx ray
Very informative, I just ordered some ultra light climbing wheels. It was interesting he said light rims are also better for technical descents, I always thought aero was more important on descents.
Ik ging op een gegeven moment naar mijn fietsenmaker omdat de lager in mijn achterwiel een raar geluid maakte. Er was toen een tekort aan Shimano onderdelen en ze hadden geen lagers op voorraad. Hij heeft dus alles gewoon schoon gemaakt en nieuwe vet in gedaan. Daarna kwam het geluidje niet terug (meer dan een jaar nu). Ik ben het dus helemaal eens met dat het zonde is om de lager meteen weg te gooien.
I wouldn't think there is one 'ideal' wheel, because the ideal wheel would depend on the user and their application. What I want is probably different then you want, etc
@@tmunk123 From a wheel builder's perspective, it's not so black and white. What about the rider's weight? How stiff they want the wheel? How frequent of maintenance on the hubs? How easy maintenance is? Longevity of wheel's life? What size tires they want to run and rim width? Conditions they ride in? Type of riding? Spoke commonality? Etc. In an ideal world, we would all be riding 32 or 36 spoke wheels laced 3x on Shimano hubs with brass nipples and straight gauge spokes with just our own flavor of rim, but obviously other factors come into play.
Broken spoke and worn hub... My bontragers haven't had a single issue and I weigh 90kilo. Cost the same too. Plus life time warrenty and trek stores close by.
Worn hub? It was a 3€ fix. Hub wasn’t worn, just the plastic ring and rubber ring. In the current design hypers that’s already improved so not to worry about. The spoke didn’t break, it got damaged when we twisted it to align it. But yes it needed replacing. Can happen. No worries. If you are happy with the bontkragen wheels (which are good wheels, I used them) than that’s all good mate 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Because he was talking dutch, and that part i was recording for the image but not intended to use the audio. It's easier for me to do voice over than to cut up the audio into 1000 bits and than do subtitles....
Hmmm... TD;IL that 1464g is classed as a _'heavy'_ wheelset. I had an old set of wheels built for me with DT Swiss RR440 rims and cheap unknown novatec hubs (I think they were F172SB-11S) that weighed 1770g (probably a terrible combination but i was on a budget for something strong as i was a heavy mofo at the time...) Compared to the Winspace set in this video, my RR440's must be like cycling with concrete blocks for wheels. In any case. My RR440s are dead. The rear rim started developing cracks so I replaced them with a set of HUNT Race Aero superdura wheels cuz im an 88kg fatty and i use the same bike to do long 100mile+ endurance rides so the new wheels had to be able to carry some extra weight. They are still concrete blocks compared to the winspace (1665g) but they roll and pick up speed so effortlessly. I myself am still losing weight though. Ive lost 8lb in the last 2-3 months. Excellent video though! Lots of very very good information!
Very interesting and in-depth conversation. A wheels Q&A would be great. I wonder if we will see lighter rims and slacker head angles to counteract the twitchy steering. One of the recent developments that have not leaked over from the MTB yet.
Slacker head angles improves riding over bumps etc right? That's not a factor in road. The fork rake will also influence the twitchyness of the front end. It's all a complicated combination of factors 😅
@@jasperverkuijl A slacker head angle makes the steering more stable. As you said you could as well change the rake of the fork. The mechanism is the same, both changes the trail of the fork.
@@cc-000 And that‘s exactly why it‘s a development. Product managers needed to be convinced that a 69 degree head angle is not making a MTB „sluggish“ but more controllable for the average rider. And they then found out that you can even go further.
Also, you'd rather have the spokes break instead of the frame if something where to get caught in the spokes. One first-gen Allez Sprint Disc rider had his seatstays bent when a tree branch was caught in his HYPERs, where the spokes probably came out unscathed.
It sure would be awesome if there was more videos where guys that are experts would give there reviews on the produces we buy. The TH-cam so called reviewers like David Arthur, Cycling Weekly, GCN and many more are a joke and primarily just advertising products and not qualified to test anything. Luescher Teknik is another good reference for knowledge. Campagnolo just released their Shamal Carbon wheels and I would like to see more about them from a quality standpoint but the content just isn't there.
@@jasperverkuijl Thanks for setting me off on a tangent for the last hour! I took an example of accelerating a wheelset from 32 kph to 48 kph which was about 600W over 8 seconds for me... The difference between a 1kg wheelset and 1.6kg (65mm) is a maximum of 4 watts. (I assumed all mass was 350 mm from the axle) So, the difference between 65mm and 50mm Hyper will probably be negligible in terms of rotational acceleration - obviously you still have to accelerate that weight forwards as well. Would be great to see what they felt like in practice, though.
@@jasperverkuijl You'd think so but even on the Winspace website, they say the 50's are so aero there is only a handful of watts to gain... A handful isn't specific enough for me to spend $1500AUD + tyres/cassette. I can't find any data but maybe you can with your contacts there?
@@elliotpollard9083 I think its a bit more complex.... your assumtion (all mass at 350mm from axle) is exactly the thing that takes away the different Moment of interia. In moment of inertia is DOES matter where the weight is, so in the hub or in the rim. 600gr added weight at the hub does not nearly have the same effect as 600gr added weight at the rim. That's what its all about. Also where did you find the 4 watts difference from? Maybe you know that and I'm not understanding your expalation correctly idk. The weight difference of the two is about 180gr. Thats all in the rim because the hubs and spokes are the same. So that will make a big difference in Moment of inertia and feel of the wheels! (like Marc said you can already feel about 50gr..)
@@stephent2243 50 to 65 will be a big gain in aerodynamics. The most earodynamic wheel is a Disc (closed TT wheel). If you want to see the difference between those wheels check out my T vs Roadbike video. So a 65mm is closer to a disc (aerodanamically) than the 50mm, so it will be faster (aerodynamically) in certain conditions. (not a lot of wind) what numbers are you looking for exactly?
@@jasperverkuijl I switched YT account and for some reason your videos stopped showing up, but now with the notifications turned on it seems to work. I have so much good stuff to go through that piled up while I wasn't getting your videos in my feed 🤙
Is it recommended to buy these rims if you live in belgium and have lots of bad roads and cobbles? Or should I opt out for steel spokes? Like hunt wheels have
Don’t know if it matters to have steel or carbon spokes. I’d recommend to use wide tires (28 or 30mm) with low pressure. They will give you the comfort you need.
Personnellement j'ai eu des jantes hyper Et 3 sorties avant de les ramener à mon commerçant criques dans le carbone 2 rayons cassés sur une même roue et je précise sans coup ou nid de poule sur la route . Le fabricant a repris mes jantes et je roule actuellement dur des DT SUISS .
got the same set and like them very much but stable in crosswinds is not true.. big difference with my bontrager aeolus 5.. very nervous wheelset for sure..
I happen to have ridden the aeolus 5 wheels as well (on the Trek emonda i had for the Taiwan KOM) and i don't think there is much of a difference. You (and others) saying these wheels are unstable in crosswinds blows my mind.... Not sure how small or lightweight you are, and what kind of bike setup you have,but these wheels are fine in crosswind. I ride them in wind everyday in the Netherlands.... Just hold your handlebars 🤷🏼♂️ Deep section wheels will get a bit of a push that's inherent on higher rims.... The fact if they are stable or not is a complete different story! So yeah, i can't relate to your comment....
When can we expect the rest of the review dude? Also, when are we going to see you make an appearance on one of Tyler’s impossible rides? Would be a sick collab!
Yeah man, I just didn’t have time to go back to wheeltec to have them repaired. He’s got the wheels and the replacement parts (from winspace) now and will service the wheels for me. I’ll pick them up soon and than I can finally get going on this full review. Sorry to keep you waiting. (These review videos are quit a lot of work so it’s a bit of a “hurdle”..)
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Hi I recently bought a set of winspace hyper 50mm, and front and rear wheel ,have went out off true within 5/6 rides,I weigh 68 kilos and don’t race anymore, and the riding I done where easy,no sprints etc,spokes have twisted,not happy with wheels,also I bought the wheels on the back of TH-cam reviews like yours,and others
@@bobbymillar7596 that’s unfortunate mate… I can only judge my own pair…. Have you been in touch with Winspace?
@@jasperverkuijl hi yes I have been exchanging emails,they want me to post and package them off,to a wheel builder in England,not so easily done,as I don’t have box they came in,but hoping that I can get a more confident solution,appreciate your reply 👍🏼
@@jasperverkuijl Hi jasper,yes I have been in touch with winspace,I have to send to England,to be repaired,it’s a bit inconvenient as I no longer have box they came in,I’ve to pay for it and try to get the cost back from them,it’s just that I’ve lost confidence in the wheels,so not sure what to do
@@bobbymillar7596 well they are offering to fix them so I think that’s a good job on their part.
You can also go to wheeltec in the Netherlands (the shop I recorded this video). Marc can help you out with it I’m sure.
Hope you get it sorted 👌🏻👌🏻
Marc definitely knows his stuff! Thank you to Jasper and Marc for putting the time into this. We'll say that selling 10 wheels, or 100 wheels, 1000 wheels or 10,000 wheels is totally different. When Jasper got these wheels (red freehub body) we were 95% to a great product. However, when you get into the tens of thousands of units sold, the feedback and data you get really lets you fine tune everything. The later wheels (black freehub body) addressed most of the (small!) problems here. We have legends of the industry like Bruce B(aka the cycle doctor - former record holder for most KMs in a month) and Keith D (record holder for most Strava KOMs) smashing these wheels day-in, day-out. We will continue to listen to feedback and improve where we can. We're super happy that Jasper has had 2-years of trouble-free riding from his wheels and look forward to him having years more!
A wider internal rim width be awesome for next gen!
@@PatrickLino that will make it slower.
@@Hambini by how much though? (real world difference vs engineer numbers)
Oh my goodness! All my favourite Cycling TH-camrs are sharing their thoughts here today: Jasper , Joe of China Cycling, Hambini and Patrick Lino! What a treat! Hello , guys!
@@cosmonott1 YOOOOO!
Not that my opinion counts for anything but i think they are well made. I have completely thrashed mine.
What have you done to them?
your opinion does not count? Look at Hambini being all humble n all. heheheeh.
Your opinion does count so I'm asking, short and spicy or ponytail?
I've ridden them flat, I've gone up kerbs. I don't wash them and regularly take them off road.
@@jasperverkuijl ponytail,
I love Dutch people. I worked with Dutch companies when I lived in France, they are easily the most open minded in business I have seen in Europe and their English speaking level is ridiculously good.
I could hear this guy talk about wheels for hours. Great content!
His name is Mark.
@@Snow1e Oh hi mark
I was thinking the same about Mark , he's has such a easy and smooth voice , you could listen even if you weren't interested in what he was talking about . I would love to have a fraction of his wheel building knowledge . I think the reason some people question Chinese carbon is because they're have been catastrophic frame and wheel failures . Thanks for the excellent video .
Same
This is the most intresting technical interview on subject Wheels with out waisting time on talks & Jokes! Great work by both!!
Thanks. If you like this one, watch my other video on berd spokes. (I titled it around Tom pidcocks Mtb wheels)
It’s a similar style talk with the same builder but about very different wheels
Running Hope hubs , sapin spokes and old mavic rims on my MTB , built by my local bike shop .... awesome .
Man, I wish I had Marc locally to service my fleet of wheels.
So many lessons learned... but the one that makes more sense to me about getting fancy stuff is: (24:55) "does it provide a solution to a problem?... doesn't always have to be", men that can count for anything in life. Thanks
Good reason to buy new stuff haha
@@jasperverkuijl Actually the best reason is not making that question
I own these wheels. I bought them for $1000 with a discount code. I LOVE them!!! I have hade every brand of wheels in the industry (Lightweight, ENVE, Reynolds, Zipp 404's, ect.). These are the best overall set I have every had. Sold all the others including the Lightweight's.
😳🤙🏻🤙🏻
Great stuff! Love this guy. Obviously giving his honest opinions. Impressed that he said they ARE worth the money but he wouldn’t buy them.
Yes, he was very honest. Obviously he would buy hubs, rims and spokes that he wants in his own wheels!
I'd like to know what that combo is!
Great Production Quality! super high information density. thank you and marc very much! Looking forward to part 2!
Thanks man.
Yes i really tried to add some value with this video!🤙🤙
@@jasperverkuijl you surely did!
I will consider them as a replacement for the mavic cosmic
Nice to see such a professional wheel specialist teaching us what his job is about. Already purchased two wheelsets from Marc, one wheel is now in for a repair after a big issue in the downhill of the Grand Colombier.
Great informative vid and review! Very difficult to see through all the marketing hype in the bike industry as a consumer sometimes.
That's why I spec'd my wheelset with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. If they fail on the road, just about any LBS could service it and send me on my way.
Yep that's a big plus.
Also, I'd rather let spokes break than the frame if a stick were to end up wedging itself between these two.
Somebody had a pair of HYPERs on his first-gen Allez Sprint Disc and this happened to him. The seatstays were badly bent, but the spokes seem to be OK.
Solid wheels. I have the 65mm wheels, just ripped out 1550 watts and multiple 1450 sprints. No issues. I weight 165lbs
Nice ! How about the long climb?
@@dannylai390 they are 65mm so probably not the best for 10 minute race paced climbs but I have no issues with the wheels during sub-5 minute punchy climbs. 50mm wheels are probably a better all around wheel
What an expert and a shop!
I bought a pair of Wheeltec wheels adviced by Mark.
My best wheels ever!!
Nice 👍
Perhaps more content from Mark would make sense, liked the man as well! Great insight!
"Made in China can mean anything. The greatest rims ever come from China; the worst rims ever come from China." THANK YOU, sir. You speak the truth.
This worked as an ad for Wheeltec , since I was looking to buy a new aluminium whelseet. I will definitely contact them!
And great and detailed video!
Super cool man. It's a candy shop! Definitely pay them a visit in person and let them know who send you!!🤙🤙🤙
I enjoyed this video and found Marc's analysis quite informative. About 9 months ago I bought a pair and was kicking myself for not getting them back when they were $1000 for a set, but I feel better about the extra $200. Happy with them so far.
My code and the price will be back to 1000😉😉
Glad you enjoy the wheels!👍
@@jasperverkuijl well I missed that deal! 😉
in a world where basically nothin comes for free, thank you for the lesson. :)
Welcome!!💪
I just bought this wheel set for my bike.. Nice experience... Had a video for it
I got a set - on the way. Will chime in after riding... update: all good thus far. 3 months.... all good thus far. Very stable in the wind. At 65mm impressive.
I also love my 65mm rim brake version. I'm scarry only on windy descents.
Watching the wheel inertia demo in action was oddly satisfying.
That's so cool right!!!!!🤙🤙
great video, i have these wheels for over a year - after seeing lots of positive reviews and engineering assessments - good to see and hear some new things here though....we all know about compromises and cost benefit...these are way better than the hunt wheels i had previously and suit the way i now ride. I also use one set of wheels all year around, so good to see how yours have lasted.
How are they better than Hunt, and which models, limitless?
I’ll appreciate if you provide more details as I’m infested in Hunt wheels. Thanks.
@@raymondwebby2441 hi, i have some older Hunt wheels 50mm deep, and always found them to get more disturbed by cross winds then other similar wheels i tried. the price was of course attractive but spending a little more on the hypers gets better behaviour and ride quality
Love how you both spoke french at 15 minutes man. Well done with learning another language, I'm also a fluent French speaker 🙂
😅
Pothole tested in race training @ 91kg total weight no issues no flats
Nice!🚴♂️
I bought these wheels, love them so far... best wheels under $4000 dollars really in my opinion. There are a few better options if you are a pro racer for sure, but for the $$$ these are extremely hard to beat.
4k$ is quite a high threshold 🤗
99.9% of wheels are under $4000 😂
Jasper, great content, I think you need to do more of this type of video where you go and get a technical expert! Perhaps get Hambini or Peak Torque on and talk about stiffness or Aero.
Theoretical stuff🤪 I'll go out in the real world haha
@@jasperverkuijl Hambini deals with real world problems
My bike came with Carbon Alexrims CF45, I haven't ridden as much with them yet, but compared to my €50,- second hand giant wheelset they are phenomenal! :')
Anything will feel great comparing to that 🤙🤙
Wheels are the most important of the bike!
Approximate at 22min, when they are talking about spoke entry angle, the builder was right in the beginning that these hyper spokes angles were out, however what he wasn't right is that these carbon spoke entry angle / hub flange hole drilling angles were initially designed so that the spokes are not touching each other. Going back to earlier winspace website, you can sell those spokes were not touching each other, thus the spoke entry angle was quite straight. However, many straightpull wheel users have reported the rattling noise on their wheels, so many companies started to cross their spokes in order to avoid the noise. Some clever companies will also tell you by doing so will improve the lateral stiffness. Back to the Hyper carbon spoke entry point, now the spokes are crossing each other, the potential consequence will be the spoke breakage, like two knives are constantly grinding each other, after hundreds of thousands rotations, they will fail dangerously. To all carbon spoke riders, make sure you regularly check your spokes for any damage, especially where the spokes are crossing each other.
Hi mate,
You are not entirely correct on this.
I have an early model of the hubs where the spokes are designed to cross and touch each other. Hence they kind of bend around each other which causes the different angles.
On the new model (i talk about this in the video how they improved the hub design) the spokes still cross but don't touch. (They cross but stay "on one side" of each other).
So in the new hub the spokes are in a straight line from the rim to hub and don't bend around each other.
I believe this is only on the back wheel. Currently don't have the new wheels yet so can't check it side by side right now.
This guy's truly knows his stuff
Great Video about wheels, not just Windspace wheels.
Thanks!🤙
great mechnic who knows his stuff someone who i can trust with high end wheels!!!
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Great video love the change of accent from english to dutch 😀
He knows his business,good video.
Freakin fantastic video breakdown!
I just ordered a set of 38s (I used your code..thank you!) and hope that mine are as good as these! Thank you for the great info!
Nice!!
Yours will be the new design so will be better!👍
More convinced on the quality of winspace wheels and products now. Not that it's anything near my budget until the next few years, I just hope they will still remain competitive in pricing and not scale up to other western brands.
This guy was freakin incredible!
I think these are solid wheels. I seriously considered buying this wheelset but ultimately decided against it for one of the reasons spelled out in this video: too many proprietary parts. I ended up going with wheels that use regular CX-Ray spokes, external nipples and a DT Swiss hub as pretty much any shop can service that stuff.
That's a very good reason not to buy them man. Good choice 👍
'are they worth the money? yeah, sure, but would I buy them? no' ..... lmao! classic bike mechanic appraisal/conclusion right there..... I would definitely want to pursue an apprenticeship with this guy!
Hahah yep. Like i said in the intro, he has his own particular vision on wheels hehe.
@@jasperverkuijl which ones does he recomend ? custom build ?
@@RevelCris he's a custom wheel builder. What do you think?!🤗😉
That was really informative Jasper, one of the better reviews of this wheelset👍
it's amazing how much a chinese brand has to go through just for people to trust them, but because big name brands can afford to sponsor teams people will pay double or more just for the wheels that are actually slower than these hyper winspace ones
Yup
Having worked with manufacturers in China, you're spot on. There's a lot of crap due to the sheer volume of global demand and hopes of entering international market. However, there's a surprising number of very decent manufacturers in China that are really annoyed with the majority of poor manufacturers as it makes it incredibly difficult to break into the Western market. Good for for Winspace - looks like they've earned it
There is a lot more to it than that. Chinese manufacturing doesn't exactly have a good reputation. Also how much are the staff in the factory being paid??
@@narmo7989 we don’t worry about how much the staff is paid, just pedal and blindly look at Nature with a smile
@@Dennis4523 wow! I am surprised how someone can be so ignorant
Good to see there are mechanics out there who only replace what really needs to be replaced. Nice informative video (Y) I think I will regrease my hub soon it has more than 7k on the clock :D If you want I can show 25k without service :D
Sure!! Send me some photos! Or let’s get them to wheeltec!🤙🏻🤙🏻
Thanks for sharing Jasper! I'm currently researching wheels and my mind is all over the place. This video has me re-thinking the possibility of buying from this company, although the Hyper wheels you bought are too narrow for me. The narrowest tire I ever want to run is a 28mm and Winspace probably already has an option for riders like me. But we'll see. Glad to know that this company cares about quality and after seeing this result, not a bad choice at all. Cheers!
If you up want to ride really wide tires, look at the Winspace (Lún) gravel (grapid) wheels! Super wide internal with, similar hub to the hypers, steel spokes.
Really nice wheelset I have on my gravel bike now.
I got some original 50mm Hypers. After much consultation (including Hambini) I decided to run 25mm front tire for optimal area and 28mm rear tire for comfort as there is minimal aero benefit at the back wheel due to disrupted airflow caused by the rider.
The new 2023 Hypers are now optimised for 28mm tires. If I was to buy today I would buy the 50mm rims again as they are great in cross winds and lighter than the aluminium Mavics that came with my Cannondale Synapse disc break bike.
I am a very happy Lunch customer and think they are excellent value for money.
Very interesting video Jasper. Sounds like a true expert
Thanks
I accidently dropped in here. Amazing Video! Explains a lot for my knowlegde to build / restomod used wheels. Thank you! Very nice guys!
Well, thanks for tuning in!
It's a bit different than my usual content but maybe you like my other video too!🤙🤙
Just to add a couple of comments - some people contacted me to comment on the inertia that was mentioned on here. I actually spoke to Jasper about it on the phone. The inertia is a function of the distance or radius squared. So if you have the weight at 10cm form the centerline vs weight 20cm from the centerline of the hub, the difference in inertia is actually 4 times more. 10^2 = 100, 20^2 =400. In most circumstances in the real world, you want to have wheels with low inertia, they will corner faster, accelerate faster and decelerate faster. The bike will also be more nimble. The only time a heavy wheel is advantageous is when you don't have to accelerate or decelerate much.
There are various wheel companies that go on about having heavy wheels as an advantage, unsurprisingly their wheels are not low weight (low inertia)
I explained it correct right Mr science?🤓🤙
It would be interesting to get those numbers of your interia tests 👌👌
@@jasperverkuijl I'm mr practical, calling an engineer a scientist is an INSULT no less 🙂 I'm going to start putting the MOI on the internet.
@@Hambini haha okay okay sorry for my swearing 😆. Want some candy 🍭 to make up?
@@jasperverkuijl offering candy to a 5 year old, whatever next! i hope your shed roof didn't get BLOWN off!
he said he expects the ceramics to be smoother but thats because theyre used and im sure they dug a track in the race after all those miles
I think Marc would take that into account
@@jasperverkuijl what happened to youre elite drives?
I would love to hear more from Mark at Wheel Tec in the future. Just found your channel through this recommended video and subscribed
That's awesome! Welcome to the cycling fanatics family!🤙🤙
very interesting video, cant think of another video that has provided this insight
Op 22.43 bedoelt hij denk ik CAD (Computer Aided Design). Goed verhaal wel 👌🏻🤟🏻
Yes, mijn fout in de ondertitels!
Great video, I am seriously considering a bike build through Winspace. Thx.
I did 2. Pretty good stuff!
Nice good thing they improved the HØBS
Great video edition
Thanks Jasper!
Welcome!👍
upon further review i see that hyper wheels' spokes have the same problems as the elites. these carbon spoke must be mass produced and possibly cheaper than higher end spokes like sapim cx ray
Thanks for the lesson on wheels.
dope...ty jasper and mark
the new ones are even better
True!
Very informative, I just ordered some ultra light climbing wheels. It was interesting he said light rims are also better for technical descents, I always thought aero was more important on descents.
Maybe aero rim on back and light rim on front
Aero is only important for top speed.
Light is better for braking, cornering and acceleration....
Very interesting. Thanks for making this video.
You are welcome! 🤙🏻
Very good and interesting video on the magic around good wheels!
Ik ging op een gegeven moment naar mijn fietsenmaker omdat de lager in mijn achterwiel een raar geluid maakte. Er was toen een tekort aan Shimano onderdelen en ze hadden geen lagers op voorraad. Hij heeft dus alles gewoon schoon gemaakt en nieuwe vet in gedaan. Daarna kwam het geluidje niet terug (meer dan een jaar nu). Ik ben het dus helemaal eens met dat het zonde is om de lager meteen weg te gooien.
Top toch!🤙🤙
thanks for this video ! really precious
I'd be interested to know what rim, spoke, and hub combo he would build an ideal wheel with
I'll ask and maybe we get back to you in a video 🤪
@@jasperverkuijl that would be awesome!
I wouldn't think there is one 'ideal' wheel, because the ideal wheel would depend on the user and their application. What I want is probably different then you want, etc
@@cup_and_cone he could do both a climbing wheel and an aero wheel for the road. Then do a separate video for gravel/MTB wheels maybe.
@@tmunk123 From a wheel builder's perspective, it's not so black and white. What about the rider's weight? How stiff they want the wheel? How frequent of maintenance on the hubs? How easy maintenance is? Longevity of wheel's life? What size tires they want to run and rim width? Conditions they ride in? Type of riding? Spoke commonality? Etc. In an ideal world, we would all be riding 32 or 36 spoke wheels laced 3x on Shimano hubs with brass nipples and straight gauge spokes with just our own flavor of rim, but obviously other factors come into play.
Great stuff thanks for sharing. I know what to buy for me.
How much is a normal prive for a weel. I am currently looking for a good one
It varies from 500-3000! Depends on your budget
Broken spoke and worn hub... My bontragers haven't had a single issue and I weigh 90kilo. Cost the same too. Plus life time warrenty and trek stores close by.
Worn hub? It was a 3€ fix. Hub wasn’t worn, just the plastic ring and rubber ring. In the current design hypers that’s already improved so not to worry about.
The spoke didn’t break, it got damaged when we twisted it to align it. But yes it needed replacing. Can happen.
No worries. If you are happy with the bontkragen wheels (which are good wheels, I used them) than that’s all good mate 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Very informative! Excellent video!
Great stuff! Hopefully you could post a video to review on ican aero carbon wheels
Supposed to get some from ICAN but still have not received.
Think they are in another lockdown
Great wheels. Wish they would use DT hubs
That wouldn't be possible with the carbon spokes. But yes, DT is a brand that has proven itself and is hard to beat.
Very informative, thank you.
Very welcome
Thank you!
Welcome 🤗
Excellent video!!!
Excellent video
Why did you cut out the part where Marc talked about the rear hub and replace it with your commentary?
Because he was talking dutch, and that part i was recording for the image but not intended to use the audio.
It's easier for me to do voice over than to cut up the audio into 1000 bits and than do subtitles....
Hmmm... TD;IL that 1464g is classed as a _'heavy'_ wheelset. I had an old set of wheels built for me with DT Swiss RR440 rims and cheap unknown novatec hubs (I think they were F172SB-11S) that weighed 1770g (probably a terrible combination but i was on a budget for something strong as i was a heavy mofo at the time...) Compared to the Winspace set in this video, my RR440's must be like cycling with concrete blocks for wheels.
In any case. My RR440s are dead. The rear rim started developing cracks so I replaced them with a set of HUNT Race Aero superdura wheels cuz im an 88kg fatty and i use the same bike to do long 100mile+ endurance rides so the new wheels had to be able to carry some extra weight. They are still concrete blocks compared to the winspace (1665g) but they roll and pick up speed so effortlessly.
I myself am still losing weight though. Ive lost 8lb in the last 2-3 months.
Excellent video though! Lots of very very good information!
I'm 82kg and used to be about 87 so we are not that far apart.
Keep it up💪💪
Very interesting and in-depth conversation. A wheels Q&A would be great. I wonder if we will see lighter rims and slacker head angles to counteract the twitchy steering. One of the recent developments that have not leaked over from the MTB yet.
Slacker head angles improves riding over bumps etc right? That's not a factor in road.
The fork rake will also influence the twitchyness of the front end. It's all a complicated combination of factors 😅
@@jasperverkuijl A slacker head angle makes the steering more stable. As you said you could as well change the rake of the fork. The mechanism is the same, both changes the trail of the fork.
@@cc-000 And that‘s exactly why it‘s a development. Product managers needed to be convinced that a 69 degree head angle is not making a MTB „sluggish“ but more controllable for the average rider. And they then found out that you can even go further.
Brilliant video.
his comment about saving weight with carbon spokes is pointless is on point. you want a light rim for quick acceleration and fast descents!
Also, you'd rather have the spokes break instead of the frame if something where to get caught in the spokes. One first-gen Allez Sprint Disc rider had his seatstays bent when a tree branch was caught in his HYPERs, where the spokes probably came out unscathed.
Somewhat happened to me on my gravel trip. A big stick shattering 7 spoke nipples but the frame and me where ok.
Good video, learned a lot.
It sure would be awesome if there was more videos where guys that are experts would give there reviews on the produces we buy. The TH-cam so called reviewers like David Arthur, Cycling Weekly, GCN and many more are a joke and primarily just advertising products and not qualified to test anything. Luescher Teknik is another good reference for knowledge. Campagnolo just released their Shamal Carbon wheels and I would like to see more about them from a quality standpoint but the content just isn't there.
Yep I know man. Whoever pays the money gets on GCN. 🤪🤷🏼♂️
Ja Interesant... He know his stuff..
I'd like to see you try the 65's. I love my 50's but not sure whether to get the 65's as well for fast, flat riding (crits without sharp corners etc).
Yep, if there are no big speed changes it would probably suit well!
@@jasperverkuijl Thanks for setting me off on a tangent for the last hour! I took an example of accelerating a wheelset from 32 kph to 48 kph which was about 600W over 8 seconds for me...
The difference between a 1kg wheelset and 1.6kg (65mm) is a maximum of 4 watts. (I assumed all mass was 350 mm from the axle)
So, the difference between 65mm and 50mm Hyper will probably be negligible in terms of rotational acceleration - obviously you still have to accelerate that weight forwards as well. Would be great to see what they felt like in practice, though.
@@jasperverkuijl You'd think so but even on the Winspace website, they say the 50's are so aero there is only a handful of watts to gain... A handful isn't specific enough for me to spend $1500AUD + tyres/cassette. I can't find any data but maybe you can with your contacts there?
@@elliotpollard9083 I think its a bit more complex.... your assumtion (all mass at 350mm from axle) is exactly the thing that takes away the different Moment of interia. In moment of inertia is DOES matter where the weight is, so in the hub or in the rim. 600gr added weight at the hub does not nearly have the same effect as 600gr added weight at the rim. That's what its all about.
Also where did you find the 4 watts difference from?
Maybe you know that and I'm not understanding your expalation correctly idk.
The weight difference of the two is about 180gr. Thats all in the rim because the hubs and spokes are the same. So that will make a big difference in Moment of inertia and feel of the wheels! (like Marc said you can already feel about 50gr..)
@@stephent2243 50 to 65 will be a big gain in aerodynamics. The most earodynamic wheel is a Disc (closed TT wheel). If you want to see the difference between those wheels check out my T vs Roadbike video.
So a 65mm is closer to a disc (aerodanamically) than the 50mm, so it will be faster (aerodynamically) in certain conditions. (not a lot of wind)
what numbers are you looking for exactly?
Informative. Thanks Jasper!
Thanks! Ans you're welcome 🤙
@@jasperverkuijl I switched YT account and for some reason your videos stopped showing up, but now with the notifications turned on it seems to work. I have so much good stuff to go through that piled up while I wasn't getting your videos in my feed 🤙
@@krissche1863 that's strange, but good that your back! Enjoy!!🤙🤙
Is it recommended to buy these rims if you live in belgium and have lots of bad roads and cobbles? Or should I opt out for steel spokes? Like hunt wheels have
Don’t know if it matters to have steel or carbon spokes.
I’d recommend to use wide tires (28 or 30mm) with low pressure. They will give you the comfort you need.
Nice clip. Is there a adaptor for thru axel?
These wheels are thru axle hubs.
Would you make a video about carbon wheelset from Elite? Thanks in advance
I think I'm talking to them now
Great video!!!
Personnellement j'ai eu des jantes hyper
Et 3 sorties avant de les ramener à mon commerçant criques dans le carbone 2 rayons cassés sur une même roue et je précise sans coup ou nid de poule sur la route . Le fabricant a repris mes jantes et je roule actuellement dur des DT SUISS .
How do these compare to their own tailwind wheels and would you recommend these for a race with a lot of climbing?
I raced Haute Route with these wheels! (Check my Documentary on that 5 day stage race in the Dolomites!!)
I've seen a lot of those hyper wheels during the biggest cycling tournament here in PH bet they're pretty good
Is it possible to buy carbon spoke if I run out of spare one?
Are there any crash replacement policy :)?
Yea
The age is one thing,but for wheels I go after how much km i have ridden them to compare them to other wheel sets. 🤙
got the same set and like them very much but stable in crosswinds is not true.. big difference with my bontrager aeolus 5.. very nervous wheelset for sure..
I happen to have ridden the aeolus 5 wheels as well (on the Trek emonda i had for the Taiwan KOM) and i don't think there is much of a difference.
You (and others) saying these wheels are unstable in crosswinds blows my mind.... Not sure how small or lightweight you are, and what kind of bike setup you have,but these wheels are fine in crosswind. I ride them in wind everyday in the Netherlands.... Just hold your handlebars 🤷🏼♂️
Deep section wheels will get a bit of a push that's inherent on higher rims.... The fact if they are stable or not is a complete different story! So yeah, i can't relate to your comment....
@@jasperverkuijl I agree with you. I was even surprised. They are as good as 38mm wheels.
When can we expect the rest of the review dude? Also, when are we going to see you make an appearance on one of Tyler’s impossible rides? Would be a sick collab!
Yeah man, I just didn’t have time to go back to wheeltec to have them repaired.
He’s got the wheels and the replacement parts (from winspace) now and will service the wheels for me. I’ll pick them up soon and than I can finally get going on this full review.
Sorry to keep you waiting.
(These review videos are quit a lot of work so it’s a bit of a “hurdle”..)
@@jasperverkuijl no need to explain my dude, just excited for it. I have been riding them for over a year and love them.
Thanks Jasper, just saved me US$120
Nice!🤙🤙