Hi I recently bought a set of winspace hyper 50mm, and front and rear wheel ,have went out off true within 5/6 rides,I weigh 68 kilos and don’t race anymore, and the riding I done where easy,no sprints etc,spokes have twisted,not happy with wheels,also I bought the wheels on the back of TH-cam reviews like yours,and others
@@jasperverkuijl hi yes I have been exchanging emails,they want me to post and package them off,to a wheel builder in England,not so easily done,as I don’t have box they came in,but hoping that I can get a more confident solution,appreciate your reply 👍🏼
@@jasperverkuijl Hi jasper,yes I have been in touch with winspace,I have to send to England,to be repaired,it’s a bit inconvenient as I no longer have box they came in,I’ve to pay for it and try to get the cost back from them,it’s just that I’ve lost confidence in the wheels,so not sure what to do
@@bobbymillar7596 well they are offering to fix them so I think that’s a good job on their part. You can also go to wheeltec in the Netherlands (the shop I recorded this video). Marc can help you out with it I’m sure. Hope you get it sorted 👌🏻👌🏻
Marc definitely knows his stuff! Thank you to Jasper and Marc for putting the time into this. We'll say that selling 10 wheels, or 100 wheels, 1000 wheels or 10,000 wheels is totally different. When Jasper got these wheels (red freehub body) we were 95% to a great product. However, when you get into the tens of thousands of units sold, the feedback and data you get really lets you fine tune everything. The later wheels (black freehub body) addressed most of the (small!) problems here. We have legends of the industry like Bruce B(aka the cycle doctor - former record holder for most KMs in a month) and Keith D (record holder for most Strava KOMs) smashing these wheels day-in, day-out. We will continue to listen to feedback and improve where we can. We're super happy that Jasper has had 2-years of trouble-free riding from his wheels and look forward to him having years more!
Oh my goodness! All my favourite Cycling TH-camrs are sharing their thoughts here today: Jasper , Joe of China Cycling, Hambini and Patrick Lino! What a treat! Hello , guys!
I was thinking the same about Mark , he's has such a easy and smooth voice , you could listen even if you weren't interested in what he was talking about . I would love to have a fraction of his wheel building knowledge . I think the reason some people question Chinese carbon is because they're have been catastrophic frame and wheel failures . Thanks for the excellent video .
I love Dutch people. I worked with Dutch companies when I lived in France, they are easily the most open minded in business I have seen in Europe and their English speaking level is ridiculously good.
It sure would be awesome if there was more videos where guys that are experts would give there reviews on the produces we buy. The TH-cam so called reviewers like David Arthur, Cycling Weekly, GCN and many more are a joke and primarily just advertising products and not qualified to test anything. Luescher Teknik is another good reference for knowledge. Campagnolo just released their Shamal Carbon wheels and I would like to see more about them from a quality standpoint but the content just isn't there.
it's amazing how much a chinese brand has to go through just for people to trust them, but because big name brands can afford to sponsor teams people will pay double or more just for the wheels that are actually slower than these hyper winspace ones
Having worked with manufacturers in China, you're spot on. There's a lot of crap due to the sheer volume of global demand and hopes of entering international market. However, there's a surprising number of very decent manufacturers in China that are really annoyed with the majority of poor manufacturers as it makes it incredibly difficult to break into the Western market. Good for for Winspace - looks like they've earned it
There is a lot more to it than that. Chinese manufacturing doesn't exactly have a good reputation. Also how much are the staff in the factory being paid??
I bought my set of 50mm hyper wheels last year and front hub bearings failed. I contacted their customer service and they asked for serial number then never heard from them again . I’ve sent the numbers of emails to follow up and never got a response. If you ever need warranty you’re out of luck. They’re no customer service.
Very much the opposite of what I understand (or have been told) Winspace offers. As far I know they reply to everything. Maybe give them some time or try again?
Zipp 303s, Roval c38…? problem with these wheels is that people continue to compare them to EnveSES , ZippNSW, they want them to be as good as the 3k wheels. I will finish how I started are these wheels better than c38 and zipp303s… personally, that’s all I care.
Just to add a couple of comments - some people contacted me to comment on the inertia that was mentioned on here. I actually spoke to Jasper about it on the phone. The inertia is a function of the distance or radius squared. So if you have the weight at 10cm form the centerline vs weight 20cm from the centerline of the hub, the difference in inertia is actually 4 times more. 10^2 = 100, 20^2 =400. In most circumstances in the real world, you want to have wheels with low inertia, they will corner faster, accelerate faster and decelerate faster. The bike will also be more nimble. The only time a heavy wheel is advantageous is when you don't have to accelerate or decelerate much. There are various wheel companies that go on about having heavy wheels as an advantage, unsurprisingly their wheels are not low weight (low inertia)
"We know where they are made" Care to elaborate? The cycling industry really needs more transparency. Plenty of brands are made in the same factories, and as a consumer, I'd like to know where my products come from.
Mmmyeah, it's a very difficult structure in the Chinese carbon story. (i discussed this extensively with both Marc and Winspace) One factory can build products in various qualities and specs required by the brand. So just naming the factory will actually not give all the info.... The factory that makes these parts also makes parts for other high end western brands. But they also make parts for lower end brands at lower quality e.g. (or these are rejected products by a higher demanding brand and than sold to whoever still wants it...) It's a long story. I don't think that big western A brands openly share what factory their parts are made do they? WINSPACE is already very open in their own factory where they do the building and QC of their wheels etc, i think that is really cool! (You can find videos of their factory online and I will share some footage in my next video i got direct from winspace)
I own these wheels. I bought them for $1000 with a discount code. I LOVE them!!! I have hade every brand of wheels in the industry (Lightweight, ENVE, Reynolds, Zipp 404's, ect.). These are the best overall set I have every had. Sold all the others including the Lightweight's.
Also, you'd rather have the spokes break instead of the frame if something where to get caught in the spokes. One first-gen Allez Sprint Disc rider had his seatstays bent when a tree branch was caught in his HYPERs, where the spokes probably came out unscathed.
Good to see there are mechanics out there who only replace what really needs to be replaced. Nice informative video (Y) I think I will regrease my hub soon it has more than 7k on the clock :D If you want I can show 25k without service :D
I think these are solid wheels. I seriously considered buying this wheelset but ultimately decided against it for one of the reasons spelled out in this video: too many proprietary parts. I ended up going with wheels that use regular CX-Ray spokes, external nipples and a DT Swiss hub as pretty much any shop can service that stuff.
Jasper, great content, I think you need to do more of this type of video where you go and get a technical expert! Perhaps get Hambini or Peak Torque on and talk about stiffness or Aero.
Also, I'd rather let spokes break than the frame if a stick were to end up wedging itself between these two. Somebody had a pair of HYPERs on his first-gen Allez Sprint Disc and this happened to him. The seatstays were badly bent, but the spokes seem to be OK.
For me the most important question: How many kilometers did you ride with the wheels? Two years sounds like a lot and in my case that would equal to 40k km. I watched the video carefully and you mentioned 7k km. I think this is close to nothing as i would expect for such a wheelset to last much longer. No one would expect any siginificant wear on the bearings especially for high quality hubs such as DTs or white industries. These hubs can easily run 30k or even 40k km before the bearings need to be replaced. Even the trueness of the wheels does not surprise me after these few kilometers. I therefore think it would be more beneficial if you put the mileage in the title of the video and the description of the video.
Mileage alone doesn't say everything rather sithout the way they are used and conditions of riding, rider etc. I actually don't know exactly how many km i did since i ride lots of different bikes and different wheels....🤷🏼♂️ But i did quit a big portionn these wheels. 20k a year is pro level and not that common for most viewers, so to use that as a "standard" would be odd tbh. I do agree that mileage says more than timespan. But even good quality bearings can turn to shit in bad conditions while cheap bearings can last a lifetime in sunny weather with smooth roads and proper maintenance. So it's all relative. Anyway, I'll have a next video showing more what ive done with the wheels.
Mileage alone doesn't say everything rather sithout the way they are used and conditions of riding, rider etc. I actually don't know exactly how many km i did since i ride lots of different bikes and different wheels....🤷🏼♂️ But i did quit a big portionn these wheels. 20k a year is pro level and not that common for most viewers, so to use that as a "standard" would be odd tbh. I do agree that mileage says more than timespan. But even good quality bearings can turn to shit in bad conditions while cheap bearings can last a lifetime in sunny weather with smooth roads and proper maintenance. So it's all relative. Anyway, I'll have a next video showing more what ive done with the wheels.
Agree with Oliver D, 7 000 km is not very much for road wheels. I'm a recreational rider and do about 10 000 km/year. I check the bearings and spoke tension twice a year, clean the the freehub body and give it fresh grease. I would be concerned if my wheels got a broken or turning spoke within a year without impact and broken parts in the freehub. If you know how it happened, explain it.
@@erikarnstrom897 well the turning of the spokes is discussed by Marc, there is not a clear reason to name why this would happen. It wasn’t really big at any spokes, it just needed minor adjustments. The broken/rupted spoke occurred during the adjustment (turning) of the spokes. Btw, Winspace is working on improved hub/spoke combination to prevent the turning completely.
Mine lasted 2 yrs. Rear wheel came out of true often, winspace said to replace the nipples...at my cost....I did. Still out of true and two shops said they cannot true it. Winspace unwilling to help.
My bike came with Carbon Alexrims CF45, I haven't ridden as much with them yet, but compared to my €50,- second hand giant wheelset they are phenomenal! :')
'are they worth the money? yeah, sure, but would I buy them? no' ..... lmao! classic bike mechanic appraisal/conclusion right there..... I would definitely want to pursue an apprenticeship with this guy!
@@faosa73 I maar in the “why not” camp. And when you state “2 years of usage” I would expect 2 years of usage. Not what would be about 6 months actually. When you want to test a pair of wheels and tell how they perform, use them and abuse them. Do not limit it to the nice weather rides. Test the bearings. Test the corrosion risk. Do it all. I am a bit disappointed when a review is brought in this way and even more when the feeling is presented that the reviewer is somebody who says what he really thinks and is not limited to contracts etcetera. I thought Jasper would really test them to the bone.
@@arnoud3ss it's ok to have criticism, but there is always somebody that has something to complain about something.... In the follow up video i will discuss what I've done with these wheels. I've put these to the test dude, trust me. My riding numbers of 2 years are devided over so many bikes! I simply can't put all my kilometers on one bike (or 1 wheelset) because of rental bikes half of my rides, winter bike i use, winter wheels i use, the bike i use to pull the trailer when i train with my kids..... Besides that, due to circumstances i actually rode only about 9k last year (instead of my usual 15k yearly), so i actually did ride a lot on these wheels. I just tried to keep them in top shape over winter! It's still 7.000km, some people take more than 2 years to get to that when they own only one bike or one wheelset!, some people never see any "bad weather" or salted roads like we have in the Netherlands (cyslist in California e.g.),..... So maybe don't be so judgemental and just see it how it is.
@@jasperverkuijl thank you for explaining. It’s what this video is missing for me, but as I understand will be part of the next video: how were the wheels used during the 2 years. Call it criticism. Call it complaining. Call it in an effort to make you improve what you do. Call it whatever you want. Consider it my honest opinion. Not bringing your work down. But opinions may differ. You do not have to explain yourself to me, but sometimes it is good to see/read/hear the opinions of others.
upon further review i see that hyper wheels' spokes have the same problems as the elites. these carbon spoke must be mass produced and possibly cheaper than higher end spokes like sapim cx ray
I ordered one of their Wheels bit after a month that didnt even start doing anything for it so now 3 weeks later they should have arrived but still nothing
got the same set and like them very much but stable in crosswinds is not true.. big difference with my bontrager aeolus 5.. very nervous wheelset for sure..
I happen to have ridden the aeolus 5 wheels as well (on the Trek emonda i had for the Taiwan KOM) and i don't think there is much of a difference. You (and others) saying these wheels are unstable in crosswinds blows my mind.... Not sure how small or lightweight you are, and what kind of bike setup you have,but these wheels are fine in crosswind. I ride them in wind everyday in the Netherlands.... Just hold your handlebars 🤷🏼♂️ Deep section wheels will get a bit of a push that's inherent on higher rims.... The fact if they are stable or not is a complete different story! So yeah, i can't relate to your comment....
@@dannylai390 they are 65mm so probably not the best for 10 minute race paced climbs but I have no issues with the wheels during sub-5 minute punchy climbs. 50mm wheels are probably a better all around wheel
Personnellement j'ai eu des jantes hyper Et 3 sorties avant de les ramener à mon commerçant criques dans le carbone 2 rayons cassés sur une même roue et je précise sans coup ou nid de poule sur la route . Le fabricant a repris mes jantes et je roule actuellement dur des DT SUISS .
Answer, "No, they aren't worth $1200." Ridiculous...if you think $1200 for a wheel is not much $ or affordable then you make way too much money. Purely asinine.
great video, i have these wheels for over a year - after seeing lots of positive reviews and engineering assessments - good to see and hear some new things here though....we all know about compromises and cost benefit...these are way better than the hunt wheels i had previously and suit the way i now ride. I also use one set of wheels all year around, so good to see how yours have lasted.
@@raymondwebby2441 hi, i have some older Hunt wheels 50mm deep, and always found them to get more disturbed by cross winds then other similar wheels i tried. the price was of course attractive but spending a little more on the hypers gets better behaviour and ride quality
"best aluminum comes from Taiwan, basically. The worst aluminum rims also come from that direction". In other words the worst comes from China. China can make good stuff but only with iron fisted quality control.
You are twisting words and interpret them wrong. Anyway, the point is the best AND worst comes from either china or Taiwan. It all depends on the manufacturer
Hmmm... TD;IL that 1464g is classed as a _'heavy'_ wheelset. I had an old set of wheels built for me with DT Swiss RR440 rims and cheap unknown novatec hubs (I think they were F172SB-11S) that weighed 1770g (probably a terrible combination but i was on a budget for something strong as i was a heavy mofo at the time...) Compared to the Winspace set in this video, my RR440's must be like cycling with concrete blocks for wheels. In any case. My RR440s are dead. The rear rim started developing cracks so I replaced them with a set of HUNT Race Aero superdura wheels cuz im an 88kg fatty and i use the same bike to do long 100mile+ endurance rides so the new wheels had to be able to carry some extra weight. They are still concrete blocks compared to the winspace (1665g) but they roll and pick up speed so effortlessly. I myself am still losing weight though. Ive lost 8lb in the last 2-3 months. Excellent video though! Lots of very very good information!
@@jasperverkuijl Thanks for setting me off on a tangent for the last hour! I took an example of accelerating a wheelset from 32 kph to 48 kph which was about 600W over 8 seconds for me... The difference between a 1kg wheelset and 1.6kg (65mm) is a maximum of 4 watts. (I assumed all mass was 350 mm from the axle) So, the difference between 65mm and 50mm Hyper will probably be negligible in terms of rotational acceleration - obviously you still have to accelerate that weight forwards as well. Would be great to see what they felt like in practice, though.
@@jasperverkuijl You'd think so but even on the Winspace website, they say the 50's are so aero there is only a handful of watts to gain... A handful isn't specific enough for me to spend $1500AUD + tyres/cassette. I can't find any data but maybe you can with your contacts there?
@@elliotpollard9083 I think its a bit more complex.... your assumtion (all mass at 350mm from axle) is exactly the thing that takes away the different Moment of interia. In moment of inertia is DOES matter where the weight is, so in the hub or in the rim. 600gr added weight at the hub does not nearly have the same effect as 600gr added weight at the rim. That's what its all about. Also where did you find the 4 watts difference from? Maybe you know that and I'm not understanding your expalation correctly idk. The weight difference of the two is about 180gr. Thats all in the rim because the hubs and spokes are the same. So that will make a big difference in Moment of inertia and feel of the wheels! (like Marc said you can already feel about 50gr..)
@@stephent2243 50 to 65 will be a big gain in aerodynamics. The most earodynamic wheel is a Disc (closed TT wheel). If you want to see the difference between those wheels check out my T vs Roadbike video. So a 65mm is closer to a disc (aerodanamically) than the 50mm, so it will be faster (aerodynamically) in certain conditions. (not a lot of wind) what numbers are you looking for exactly?
Your the same guy who shit on trifox. Just letting you know the trifox is a great bike and I've been riding mine every day for over a year now, no issues and pit a lot of guys with more expensive bikes to shame. You should admit you where wrong and build up that trifox
Yours may be great, it may say something about the consistency of Trifox's products, what do you think? Thanks for sharing the information, great to hear you are shredding on the bike and leaving others behind with more expensive bikes. It's not the bike, it's the rider!👍 I wasn't wrong about my experience though, as it was MY experience, how can it be wrong? There was too much work on the frame that needed to be done by a specialist (like facing the brake mounts) to get it ready to build. I don't have the tools for that. 🤷🏼♂️
Broken spoke and worn hub... My bontragers haven't had a single issue and I weigh 90kilo. Cost the same too. Plus life time warrenty and trek stores close by.
Worn hub? It was a 3€ fix. Hub wasn’t worn, just the plastic ring and rubber ring. In the current design hypers that’s already improved so not to worry about. The spoke didn’t break, it got damaged when we twisted it to align it. But yes it needed replacing. Can happen. No worries. If you are happy with the bontkragen wheels (which are good wheels, I used them) than that’s all good mate 🤙🏻🤙🏻
I wouldn't think there is one 'ideal' wheel, because the ideal wheel would depend on the user and their application. What I want is probably different then you want, etc
@@tmunk123 From a wheel builder's perspective, it's not so black and white. What about the rider's weight? How stiff they want the wheel? How frequent of maintenance on the hubs? How easy maintenance is? Longevity of wheel's life? What size tires they want to run and rim width? Conditions they ride in? Type of riding? Spoke commonality? Etc. In an ideal world, we would all be riding 32 or 36 spoke wheels laced 3x on Shimano hubs with brass nipples and straight gauge spokes with just our own flavor of rim, but obviously other factors come into play.
Is it recommended to buy these rims if you live in belgium and have lots of bad roads and cobbles? Or should I opt out for steel spokes? Like hunt wheels have
Don’t know if it matters to have steel or carbon spokes. I’d recommend to use wide tires (28 or 30mm) with low pressure. They will give you the comfort you need.
If you can not verify spoke tension by measurement you are not verifying spoke tension and only offering an opinion. You are a wheel builder with a high level of experience, however it is an opinion only.
Quick question 🙋♂️ you keep saying 2 years I would rather you say mileage or kilometers. How many miles or kilometers eters do you have or did you have at the time of this video? 2 years can be a huge difference between riders. I usually ride 10,000 miles per year and climb over 1,000,000 feet per year. Some of my customers ride 3,000 miles per year and some of them 15,000 miles per year. Thank You for the in-depth review of the wheels
@@jasperverkuijl Thank You sir. I’ve been seeing a lot of reviews on these wheels. As a bike shop owner I’m not a fan of the direct to consumer business model but at least they seem to make a good product.
I bought these wheels, love them so far... best wheels under $4000 dollars really in my opinion. There are a few better options if you are a pro racer for sure, but for the $$$ these are extremely hard to beat.
I don't know much about the benefits of carbon, but i assume weight is the main reason they are used rather than alloy. These are $1200 for 1.5kg. I am sure the metal equivalent may be a little heavier, but will cost a lot less. Also with carbon, catastrophic failure would always be in the back of my mind.
Carbon wheels with carbon spokes and ceramic bearings is very very stiff I have the exact same wheels I never rode an faster and stiffer wheels while I have zipp roval and durace wheels. Never I will buy BIG brand wheel again!!!
When the part where the bearing goes in is not EXACTLY the correct size (this is in fractions of a mm) the hub will sit too loose, too tight, or skewed. That can cause problems
Approximate at 22min, when they are talking about spoke entry angle, the builder was right in the beginning that these hyper spokes angles were out, however what he wasn't right is that these carbon spoke entry angle / hub flange hole drilling angles were initially designed so that the spokes are not touching each other. Going back to earlier winspace website, you can sell those spokes were not touching each other, thus the spoke entry angle was quite straight. However, many straightpull wheel users have reported the rattling noise on their wheels, so many companies started to cross their spokes in order to avoid the noise. Some clever companies will also tell you by doing so will improve the lateral stiffness. Back to the Hyper carbon spoke entry point, now the spokes are crossing each other, the potential consequence will be the spoke breakage, like two knives are constantly grinding each other, after hundreds of thousands rotations, they will fail dangerously. To all carbon spoke riders, make sure you regularly check your spokes for any damage, especially where the spokes are crossing each other.
Hi mate, You are not entirely correct on this. I have an early model of the hubs where the spokes are designed to cross and touch each other. Hence they kind of bend around each other which causes the different angles. On the new model (i talk about this in the video how they improved the hub design) the spokes still cross but don't touch. (They cross but stay "on one side" of each other). So in the new hub the spokes are in a straight line from the rim to hub and don't bend around each other. I believe this is only on the back wheel. Currently don't have the new wheels yet so can't check it side by side right now.
More convinced on the quality of winspace wheels and products now. Not that it's anything near my budget until the next few years, I just hope they will still remain competitive in pricing and not scale up to other western brands.
I got a set - on the way. Will chime in after riding... update: all good thus far. 3 months.... all good thus far. Very stable in the wind. At 65mm impressive.
2 year old wheels are basically new. I have wheels that I built over 30 years ago, rode regularly for a decade or more, that are true and round and never broke a spoke. They aren't made of plastic. Your wheels may be lighter than mine, but mine are lighter compared to me. (I'm 6'8" and big.) Plastic wheels are instant garbage. Enjoy them for what they're worth, but they're toys and not tools.
Ok. So why are racecars made out of carbon? Because they are rubbish? Nope, because it's about performance. Products have a lifespan, your wheels may do really well in durability but would probably not score high in performance. It's like that with any product. You are happy with your wheels so that's great! Keep those and I'll keep these 👍
Marc said it's worht the money but he would not buy them. Shame we did not hear his explanation. Other carbon experts say spokes should never be made from carbon, maybe this is why.
After my visit, Mark actually started developing his own wheelset with carbon spokes. So I do think he noticed something in this wheelset that was worth it. But he is a wheel builder that will prefer his own wheels, because he believes in his own craftsmanship and products. So it’s fair for him to say he would buy his own wheel instead of the Winspace. Next time I visit I will ask him why he said that 😉
@@jasperverkuijl I assumed it was for personal reasons, not something technically wrong with the wheel. They seem very impressive and nice quality according to his other comments. Thanks for sharing this valueable info!
Why "should"? Hambini and I had a chat recently. He's an engineer, he is great at what he does, but he's not a wheel builder. So his vision will always be different.
Because he was talking dutch, and that part i was recording for the image but not intended to use the audio. It's easier for me to do voice over than to cut up the audio into 1000 bits and than do subtitles....
I must be missing something, but why to order from China ( I have no issues with made in China at all, well done China) when you can buy for example Hunt wheels at almost the same price in UK and you'll get: sales support, warranty, spare parts, supporting local business... and much more.. hassle free purchase.
You think Hunt is a local business?🤷🏼♂️ I honestly think Winspace is ahead of competition for the last years. Look how many brands are starting to explore the carbon spokes right now and launching their new wheels. (Western brands I mean)
@@jasperverkuijl Yes Hunt wheels are made in Asia, they dont hide the fact. But there's so much more than just $+wheels=happy times. I bought Hunt gravel wheel just a year ago, and now I'm considering purchasing road wheels- again, comparing buying locally made in Asia vs direct from China. Indeed buying locally I see more benefits, are the Winspace wheels better than Hunt to convince me... I dont see it.
He said yes 😂 (he is confident of his own branded wheels) He’s actually looking into designing his own hub with the exact same carbon spokes that the Winspace wheel has after seeing the hypers. (I talked to him a while after this video and he was working on it than)
28mm with low tire pressure will work fine. Depending on your weight. I ride 28mm with 4,5bar and I’m 82kg. If you are lighter you can reduce the pressure even lower.
@@jasperverkuijl thank you.. I'm 64kg and I tried to lower my tyre pressure on my ride today and it feels alot comfortable during the ride. Thank you for the response 🙏 any specific brand of tyre to buy?
@@WhiteRiceCycling great to hear you had that positive experience! You can go way lower than you think. 👌🏻 I ride Vittoria tires. For training or recreational I would use the rubino pro tires. (I use the corsa, that’s really for racing)
The experience that i have with mavic is really bad... Check my canyon aeroad review video of a few years ago. However that was a low end mavic wheelset... My aluminum mavic entry level wheels are ok, for entry level wheels..
I enjoyed this video and found Marc's analysis quite informative. About 9 months ago I bought a pair and was kicking myself for not getting them back when they were $1000 for a set, but I feel better about the extra $200. Happy with them so far.
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Hi I recently bought a set of winspace hyper 50mm, and front and rear wheel ,have went out off true within 5/6 rides,I weigh 68 kilos and don’t race anymore, and the riding I done where easy,no sprints etc,spokes have twisted,not happy with wheels,also I bought the wheels on the back of TH-cam reviews like yours,and others
@@bobbymillar7596 that’s unfortunate mate… I can only judge my own pair…. Have you been in touch with Winspace?
@@jasperverkuijl hi yes I have been exchanging emails,they want me to post and package them off,to a wheel builder in England,not so easily done,as I don’t have box they came in,but hoping that I can get a more confident solution,appreciate your reply 👍🏼
@@jasperverkuijl Hi jasper,yes I have been in touch with winspace,I have to send to England,to be repaired,it’s a bit inconvenient as I no longer have box they came in,I’ve to pay for it and try to get the cost back from them,it’s just that I’ve lost confidence in the wheels,so not sure what to do
@@bobbymillar7596 well they are offering to fix them so I think that’s a good job on their part.
You can also go to wheeltec in the Netherlands (the shop I recorded this video). Marc can help you out with it I’m sure.
Hope you get it sorted 👌🏻👌🏻
Marc definitely knows his stuff! Thank you to Jasper and Marc for putting the time into this. We'll say that selling 10 wheels, or 100 wheels, 1000 wheels or 10,000 wheels is totally different. When Jasper got these wheels (red freehub body) we were 95% to a great product. However, when you get into the tens of thousands of units sold, the feedback and data you get really lets you fine tune everything. The later wheels (black freehub body) addressed most of the (small!) problems here. We have legends of the industry like Bruce B(aka the cycle doctor - former record holder for most KMs in a month) and Keith D (record holder for most Strava KOMs) smashing these wheels day-in, day-out. We will continue to listen to feedback and improve where we can. We're super happy that Jasper has had 2-years of trouble-free riding from his wheels and look forward to him having years more!
A wider internal rim width be awesome for next gen!
@@PatrickLino that will make it slower.
@@Hambini by how much though? (real world difference vs engineer numbers)
Oh my goodness! All my favourite Cycling TH-camrs are sharing their thoughts here today: Jasper , Joe of China Cycling, Hambini and Patrick Lino! What a treat! Hello , guys!
@@cosmonott1 YOOOOO!
Not that my opinion counts for anything but i think they are well made. I have completely thrashed mine.
What have you done to them?
your opinion does not count? Look at Hambini being all humble n all. heheheeh.
Your opinion does count so I'm asking, short and spicy or ponytail?
I've ridden them flat, I've gone up kerbs. I don't wash them and regularly take them off road.
@@jasperverkuijl ponytail,
I could hear this guy talk about wheels for hours. Great content!
His name is Mark.
@@Snow1e Oh hi mark
I was thinking the same about Mark , he's has such a easy and smooth voice , you could listen even if you weren't interested in what he was talking about . I would love to have a fraction of his wheel building knowledge . I think the reason some people question Chinese carbon is because they're have been catastrophic frame and wheel failures . Thanks for the excellent video .
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Great informative vid and review! Very difficult to see through all the marketing hype in the bike industry as a consumer sometimes.
"Made in China can mean anything. The greatest rims ever come from China; the worst rims ever come from China." THANK YOU, sir. You speak the truth.
I love Dutch people. I worked with Dutch companies when I lived in France, they are easily the most open minded in business I have seen in Europe and their English speaking level is ridiculously good.
Man, I wish I had Marc locally to service my fleet of wheels.
It sure would be awesome if there was more videos where guys that are experts would give there reviews on the produces we buy. The TH-cam so called reviewers like David Arthur, Cycling Weekly, GCN and many more are a joke and primarily just advertising products and not qualified to test anything. Luescher Teknik is another good reference for knowledge. Campagnolo just released their Shamal Carbon wheels and I would like to see more about them from a quality standpoint but the content just isn't there.
Yep I know man. Whoever pays the money gets on GCN. 🤪🤷🏼♂️
Great Production Quality! super high information density. thank you and marc very much! Looking forward to part 2!
Thanks man.
Yes i really tried to add some value with this video!🤙🤙
@@jasperverkuijl you surely did!
I will consider them as a replacement for the mavic cosmic
Freakin fantastic video breakdown!
it's amazing how much a chinese brand has to go through just for people to trust them, but because big name brands can afford to sponsor teams people will pay double or more just for the wheels that are actually slower than these hyper winspace ones
Yup
Having worked with manufacturers in China, you're spot on. There's a lot of crap due to the sheer volume of global demand and hopes of entering international market. However, there's a surprising number of very decent manufacturers in China that are really annoyed with the majority of poor manufacturers as it makes it incredibly difficult to break into the Western market. Good for for Winspace - looks like they've earned it
There is a lot more to it than that. Chinese manufacturing doesn't exactly have a good reputation. Also how much are the staff in the factory being paid??
@@narmo7989 we don’t worry about how much the staff is paid, just pedal and blindly look at Nature with a smile
@@Dennis4523 wow! I am surprised how someone can be so ignorant
Running Hope hubs , sapin spokes and old mavic rims on my MTB , built by my local bike shop .... awesome .
I bought my set of 50mm hyper wheels last year and front hub bearings failed. I contacted their customer service and they asked for serial number then never heard from them again . I’ve sent the numbers of emails to follow up and never got a response. If you ever need warranty you’re out of luck. They’re no customer service.
Very much the opposite of what I understand (or have been told) Winspace offers. As far I know they reply to everything. Maybe give them some time or try again?
Perhaps more content from Mark would make sense, liked the man as well! Great insight!
I've seen better Wheelset silimar to this and it's called VÉLOTECH MAGLEV
Zipp 303s, Roval c38…? problem with these wheels is that people continue to compare them to EnveSES , ZippNSW, they want them to be as good as the 3k wheels. I will finish how I started are these wheels better than c38 and zipp303s… personally, that’s all I care.
What an expert and a shop!
Just to add a couple of comments - some people contacted me to comment on the inertia that was mentioned on here. I actually spoke to Jasper about it on the phone. The inertia is a function of the distance or radius squared. So if you have the weight at 10cm form the centerline vs weight 20cm from the centerline of the hub, the difference in inertia is actually 4 times more. 10^2 = 100, 20^2 =400. In most circumstances in the real world, you want to have wheels with low inertia, they will corner faster, accelerate faster and decelerate faster. The bike will also be more nimble. The only time a heavy wheel is advantageous is when you don't have to accelerate or decelerate much.
There are various wheel companies that go on about having heavy wheels as an advantage, unsurprisingly their wheels are not low weight (low inertia)
I explained it correct right Mr science?🤓🤙
It would be interesting to get those numbers of your interia tests 👌👌
@@jasperverkuijl I'm mr practical, calling an engineer a scientist is an INSULT no less 🙂 I'm going to start putting the MOI on the internet.
@@Hambini haha okay okay sorry for my swearing 😆. Want some candy 🍭 to make up?
@@jasperverkuijl offering candy to a 5 year old, whatever next! i hope your shed roof didn't get BLOWN off!
"We know where they are made" Care to elaborate? The cycling industry really needs more transparency. Plenty of brands are made in the same factories, and as a consumer, I'd like to know where my products come from.
Mmmyeah, it's a very difficult structure in the Chinese carbon story. (i discussed this extensively with both Marc and Winspace)
One factory can build products in various qualities and specs required by the brand. So just naming the factory will actually not give all the info....
The factory that makes these parts also makes parts for other high end western brands. But they also make parts for lower end brands at lower quality e.g. (or these are rejected products by a higher demanding brand and than sold to whoever still wants it...)
It's a long story.
I don't think that big western A brands openly share what factory their parts are made do they?
WINSPACE is already very open in their own factory where they do the building and QC of their wheels etc, i think that is really cool! (You can find videos of their factory online and I will share some footage in my next video i got direct from winspace)
I own these wheels. I bought them for $1000 with a discount code. I LOVE them!!! I have hade every brand of wheels in the industry (Lightweight, ENVE, Reynolds, Zipp 404's, ect.). These are the best overall set I have every had. Sold all the others including the Lightweight's.
😳🤙🏻🤙🏻
Great stuff! Love this guy. Obviously giving his honest opinions. Impressed that he said they ARE worth the money but he wouldn’t buy them.
Yes, he was very honest. Obviously he would buy hubs, rims and spokes that he wants in his own wheels!
I'd like to know what that combo is!
his comment about saving weight with carbon spokes is pointless is on point. you want a light rim for quick acceleration and fast descents!
Also, you'd rather have the spokes break instead of the frame if something where to get caught in the spokes. One first-gen Allez Sprint Disc rider had his seatstays bent when a tree branch was caught in his HYPERs, where the spokes probably came out unscathed.
Somewhat happened to me on my gravel trip. A big stick shattering 7 spoke nipples but the frame and me where ok.
Good to see there are mechanics out there who only replace what really needs to be replaced. Nice informative video (Y) I think I will regrease my hub soon it has more than 7k on the clock :D If you want I can show 25k without service :D
Sure!! Send me some photos! Or let’s get them to wheeltec!🤙🏻🤙🏻
in a world where basically nothin comes for free, thank you for the lesson. :)
Welcome!!💪
I think these are solid wheels. I seriously considered buying this wheelset but ultimately decided against it for one of the reasons spelled out in this video: too many proprietary parts. I ended up going with wheels that use regular CX-Ray spokes, external nipples and a DT Swiss hub as pretty much any shop can service that stuff.
That's a very good reason not to buy them man. Good choice 👍
Jasper, great content, I think you need to do more of this type of video where you go and get a technical expert! Perhaps get Hambini or Peak Torque on and talk about stiffness or Aero.
Theoretical stuff🤪 I'll go out in the real world haha
@@jasperverkuijl Hambini deals with real world problems
Is this a paid promotion?
I'm fussy with everything. Hyper 38 rim brake best you can buy if you are over 60kg.
That's why I spec'd my wheelset with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. If they fail on the road, just about any LBS could service it and send me on my way.
Yep that's a big plus.
Also, I'd rather let spokes break than the frame if a stick were to end up wedging itself between these two.
Somebody had a pair of HYPERs on his first-gen Allez Sprint Disc and this happened to him. The seatstays were badly bent, but the spokes seem to be OK.
Great video love the change of accent from english to dutch 😀
How much is a normal prive for a weel. I am currently looking for a good one
It varies from 500-3000! Depends on your budget
For me the most important question: How many kilometers did you ride with the wheels? Two years sounds like a lot and in my case that would equal to 40k km. I watched the video carefully and you mentioned 7k km. I think this is close to nothing as i would expect for such a wheelset to last much longer. No one would expect any siginificant wear on the bearings especially for high quality hubs such as DTs or white industries. These hubs can easily run 30k or even 40k km before the bearings need to be replaced. Even the trueness of the wheels does not surprise me after these few kilometers. I therefore think it would be more beneficial if you put the mileage in the title of the video and the description of the video.
Mileage alone doesn't say everything rather sithout the way they are used and conditions of riding, rider etc.
I actually don't know exactly how many km i did since i ride lots of different bikes and different wheels....🤷🏼♂️ But i did quit a big portionn these wheels.
20k a year is pro level and not that common for most viewers, so to use that as a "standard" would be odd tbh.
I do agree that mileage says more than timespan. But even good quality bearings can turn to shit in bad conditions while cheap bearings can last a lifetime in sunny weather with smooth roads and proper maintenance. So it's all relative.
Anyway, I'll have a next video showing more what ive done with the wheels.
Mileage alone doesn't say everything rather sithout the way they are used and conditions of riding, rider etc.
I actually don't know exactly how many km i did since i ride lots of different bikes and different wheels....🤷🏼♂️ But i did quit a big portionn these wheels.
20k a year is pro level and not that common for most viewers, so to use that as a "standard" would be odd tbh.
I do agree that mileage says more than timespan. But even good quality bearings can turn to shit in bad conditions while cheap bearings can last a lifetime in sunny weather with smooth roads and proper maintenance. So it's all relative.
Anyway, I'll have a next video showing more what ive done with the wheels.
Agree with Oliver D, 7 000 km is not very much for road wheels. I'm a recreational rider and do about 10 000 km/year. I check the bearings and spoke tension twice a year, clean the the freehub body and give it fresh grease. I would be concerned if my wheels got a broken or turning spoke within a year without impact and broken parts in the freehub. If you know how it happened, explain it.
@@erikarnstrom897 well the turning of the spokes is discussed by Marc, there is not a clear reason to name why this would happen. It wasn’t really big at any spokes, it just needed minor adjustments.
The broken/rupted spoke occurred during the adjustment (turning) of the spokes.
Btw, Winspace is working on improved hub/spoke combination to prevent the turning completely.
Great Video about wheels, not just Windspace wheels.
Thanks!🤙
Mine lasted 2 yrs. Rear wheel came out of true often, winspace said to replace the nipples...at my cost....I did. Still out of true and two shops said they cannot true it. Winspace unwilling to help.
Go to wheeltec… he will give a good advice 👍🏻
My bike came with Carbon Alexrims CF45, I haven't ridden as much with them yet, but compared to my €50,- second hand giant wheelset they are phenomenal! :')
Anything will feel great comparing to that 🤙🤙
Wheels are the most important of the bike!
I bought a pair of Wheeltec wheels adviced by Mark.
My best wheels ever!!
Nice 👍
'are they worth the money? yeah, sure, but would I buy them? no' ..... lmao! classic bike mechanic appraisal/conclusion right there..... I would definitely want to pursue an apprenticeship with this guy!
Hahah yep. Like i said in the intro, he has his own particular vision on wheels hehe.
@@jasperverkuijl which ones does he recomend ? custom build ?
@@RevelCris he's a custom wheel builder. What do you think?!🤗😉
2 years, but only used for 7000km… and not used in winter when the weather around Almere isn’t the best, would you really call that used for 2 years?
why would you use great wheels in the winter where he lives?
@@faosa73 I maar in the “why not” camp. And when you state “2 years of usage” I would expect 2 years of usage. Not what would be about 6 months actually. When you want to test a pair of wheels and tell how they perform, use them and abuse them. Do not limit it to the nice weather rides. Test the bearings. Test the corrosion risk. Do it all. I am a bit disappointed when a review is brought in this way and even more when the feeling is presented that the reviewer is somebody who says what he really thinks and is not limited to contracts etcetera. I thought Jasper would really test them to the bone.
@@arnoud3ss it's ok to have criticism, but there is always somebody that has something to complain about something....
In the follow up video i will discuss what I've done with these wheels. I've put these to the test dude, trust me.
My riding numbers of 2 years are devided over so many bikes! I simply can't put all my kilometers on one bike (or 1 wheelset) because of rental bikes half of my rides, winter bike i use, winter wheels i use, the bike i use to pull the trailer when i train with my kids..... Besides that, due to circumstances i actually rode only about 9k last year (instead of my usual 15k yearly), so i actually did ride a lot on these wheels. I just tried to keep them in top shape over winter!
It's still 7.000km, some people take more than 2 years to get to that when they own only one bike or one wheelset!, some people never see any "bad weather" or salted roads like we have in the Netherlands (cyslist in California e.g.),.....
So maybe don't be so judgemental and just see it how it is.
@@faosa73 exactly, I'd rather keep them in good shape and ride other wheels in the salty conditions...
@@jasperverkuijl thank you for explaining. It’s what this video is missing for me, but as I understand will be part of the next video: how were the wheels used during the 2 years. Call it criticism. Call it complaining. Call it in an effort to make you improve what you do. Call it whatever you want. Consider it my honest opinion. Not bringing your work down. But opinions may differ. You do not have to explain yourself to me, but sometimes it is good to see/read/hear the opinions of others.
Great wheels. Wish they would use DT hubs
That wouldn't be possible with the carbon spokes. But yes, DT is a brand that has proven itself and is hard to beat.
This guy was freakin incredible!
Great video edition
upon further review i see that hyper wheels' spokes have the same problems as the elites. these carbon spoke must be mass produced and possibly cheaper than higher end spokes like sapim cx ray
I ordered one of their Wheels bit after a month that didnt even start doing anything for it so now 3 weeks later they should have arrived but still nothing
Yeah you may just got stuck in Chinese New Year when all businesses close in China. Give them a moment to catch up
got the same set and like them very much but stable in crosswinds is not true.. big difference with my bontrager aeolus 5.. very nervous wheelset for sure..
I happen to have ridden the aeolus 5 wheels as well (on the Trek emonda i had for the Taiwan KOM) and i don't think there is much of a difference.
You (and others) saying these wheels are unstable in crosswinds blows my mind.... Not sure how small or lightweight you are, and what kind of bike setup you have,but these wheels are fine in crosswind. I ride them in wind everyday in the Netherlands.... Just hold your handlebars 🤷🏼♂️
Deep section wheels will get a bit of a push that's inherent on higher rims.... The fact if they are stable or not is a complete different story! So yeah, i can't relate to your comment....
@@jasperverkuijl I agree with you. I was even surprised. They are as good as 38mm wheels.
Solid wheels. I have the 65mm wheels, just ripped out 1550 watts and multiple 1450 sprints. No issues. I weight 165lbs
Nice ! How about the long climb?
@@dannylai390 they are 65mm so probably not the best for 10 minute race paced climbs but I have no issues with the wheels during sub-5 minute punchy climbs. 50mm wheels are probably a better all around wheel
I just bought this wheel set for my bike.. Nice experience... Had a video for it
Personnellement j'ai eu des jantes hyper
Et 3 sorties avant de les ramener à mon commerçant criques dans le carbone 2 rayons cassés sur une même roue et je précise sans coup ou nid de poule sur la route . Le fabricant a repris mes jantes et je roule actuellement dur des DT SUISS .
Answer, "No, they aren't worth $1200." Ridiculous...if you think $1200 for a wheel is not much $ or affordable then you make way too much money. Purely asinine.
Welcome to the world of cycling and bike parts. Some wheelsets are €4000 and some bikes are €12.000. I can’t help it, it’s just that crazy!
great video, i have these wheels for over a year - after seeing lots of positive reviews and engineering assessments - good to see and hear some new things here though....we all know about compromises and cost benefit...these are way better than the hunt wheels i had previously and suit the way i now ride. I also use one set of wheels all year around, so good to see how yours have lasted.
How are they better than Hunt, and which models, limitless?
I’ll appreciate if you provide more details as I’m infested in Hunt wheels. Thanks.
@@raymondwebby2441 hi, i have some older Hunt wheels 50mm deep, and always found them to get more disturbed by cross winds then other similar wheels i tried. the price was of course attractive but spending a little more on the hypers gets better behaviour and ride quality
"best aluminum comes from Taiwan, basically. The worst aluminum rims also come from that direction". In other words the worst comes from China. China can make good stuff but only with iron fisted quality control.
You are twisting words and interpret them wrong.
Anyway, the point is the best AND worst comes from either china or Taiwan. It all depends on the manufacturer
Hmmm... TD;IL that 1464g is classed as a _'heavy'_ wheelset. I had an old set of wheels built for me with DT Swiss RR440 rims and cheap unknown novatec hubs (I think they were F172SB-11S) that weighed 1770g (probably a terrible combination but i was on a budget for something strong as i was a heavy mofo at the time...) Compared to the Winspace set in this video, my RR440's must be like cycling with concrete blocks for wheels.
In any case. My RR440s are dead. The rear rim started developing cracks so I replaced them with a set of HUNT Race Aero superdura wheels cuz im an 88kg fatty and i use the same bike to do long 100mile+ endurance rides so the new wheels had to be able to carry some extra weight. They are still concrete blocks compared to the winspace (1665g) but they roll and pick up speed so effortlessly.
I myself am still losing weight though. Ive lost 8lb in the last 2-3 months.
Excellent video though! Lots of very very good information!
I'm 82kg and used to be about 87 so we are not that far apart.
Keep it up💪💪
I'd like to see you try the 65's. I love my 50's but not sure whether to get the 65's as well for fast, flat riding (crits without sharp corners etc).
Yep, if there are no big speed changes it would probably suit well!
@@jasperverkuijl Thanks for setting me off on a tangent for the last hour! I took an example of accelerating a wheelset from 32 kph to 48 kph which was about 600W over 8 seconds for me...
The difference between a 1kg wheelset and 1.6kg (65mm) is a maximum of 4 watts. (I assumed all mass was 350 mm from the axle)
So, the difference between 65mm and 50mm Hyper will probably be negligible in terms of rotational acceleration - obviously you still have to accelerate that weight forwards as well. Would be great to see what they felt like in practice, though.
@@jasperverkuijl You'd think so but even on the Winspace website, they say the 50's are so aero there is only a handful of watts to gain... A handful isn't specific enough for me to spend $1500AUD + tyres/cassette. I can't find any data but maybe you can with your contacts there?
@@elliotpollard9083 I think its a bit more complex.... your assumtion (all mass at 350mm from axle) is exactly the thing that takes away the different Moment of interia. In moment of inertia is DOES matter where the weight is, so in the hub or in the rim. 600gr added weight at the hub does not nearly have the same effect as 600gr added weight at the rim. That's what its all about.
Also where did you find the 4 watts difference from?
Maybe you know that and I'm not understanding your expalation correctly idk.
The weight difference of the two is about 180gr. Thats all in the rim because the hubs and spokes are the same. So that will make a big difference in Moment of inertia and feel of the wheels! (like Marc said you can already feel about 50gr..)
@@stephent2243 50 to 65 will be a big gain in aerodynamics. The most earodynamic wheel is a Disc (closed TT wheel). If you want to see the difference between those wheels check out my T vs Roadbike video.
So a 65mm is closer to a disc (aerodanamically) than the 50mm, so it will be faster (aerodynamically) in certain conditions. (not a lot of wind)
what numbers are you looking for exactly?
Your the same guy who shit on trifox. Just letting you know the trifox is a great bike and I've been riding mine every day for over a year now, no issues and pit a lot of guys with more expensive bikes to shame. You should admit you where wrong and build up that trifox
Yours may be great, it may say something about the consistency of Trifox's products, what do you think?
Thanks for sharing the information, great to hear you are shredding on the bike and leaving others behind with more expensive bikes. It's not the bike, it's the rider!👍
I wasn't wrong about my experience though, as it was MY experience, how can it be wrong? There was too much work on the frame that needed to be done by a specialist (like facing the brake mounts) to get it ready to build. I don't have the tools for that. 🤷🏼♂️
Broken spoke and worn hub... My bontragers haven't had a single issue and I weigh 90kilo. Cost the same too. Plus life time warrenty and trek stores close by.
Worn hub? It was a 3€ fix. Hub wasn’t worn, just the plastic ring and rubber ring. In the current design hypers that’s already improved so not to worry about.
The spoke didn’t break, it got damaged when we twisted it to align it. But yes it needed replacing. Can happen.
No worries. If you are happy with the bontkragen wheels (which are good wheels, I used them) than that’s all good mate 🤙🏻🤙🏻
This worked as an ad for Wheeltec , since I was looking to buy a new aluminium whelseet. I will definitely contact them!
And great and detailed video!
Super cool man. It's a candy shop! Definitely pay them a visit in person and let them know who send you!!🤙🤙🤙
I'd be interested to know what rim, spoke, and hub combo he would build an ideal wheel with
I'll ask and maybe we get back to you in a video 🤪
@@jasperverkuijl that would be awesome!
I wouldn't think there is one 'ideal' wheel, because the ideal wheel would depend on the user and their application. What I want is probably different then you want, etc
@@cup_and_cone he could do both a climbing wheel and an aero wheel for the road. Then do a separate video for gravel/MTB wheels maybe.
@@tmunk123 From a wheel builder's perspective, it's not so black and white. What about the rider's weight? How stiff they want the wheel? How frequent of maintenance on the hubs? How easy maintenance is? Longevity of wheel's life? What size tires they want to run and rim width? Conditions they ride in? Type of riding? Spoke commonality? Etc. In an ideal world, we would all be riding 32 or 36 spoke wheels laced 3x on Shimano hubs with brass nipples and straight gauge spokes with just our own flavor of rim, but obviously other factors come into play.
The age is one thing,but for wheels I go after how much km i have ridden them to compare them to other wheel sets. 🤙
Is it recommended to buy these rims if you live in belgium and have lots of bad roads and cobbles? Or should I opt out for steel spokes? Like hunt wheels have
Don’t know if it matters to have steel or carbon spokes.
I’d recommend to use wide tires (28 or 30mm) with low pressure. They will give you the comfort you need.
If you can not verify spoke tension by measurement you are not verifying spoke tension and only offering an opinion. You are a wheel builder with a high level of experience, however it is an opinion only.
😂 ok that’s your take 👍🏻 Some people can do things others can’t, it’s sometimes hard to understand
Quick question 🙋♂️ you keep saying 2 years I would rather you say mileage or kilometers. How many miles or kilometers eters do you have or did you have at the time of this video?
2 years can be a huge difference between riders. I usually ride 10,000 miles per year and climb over 1,000,000 feet per year.
Some of my customers ride 3,000 miles per year and some of them 15,000 miles per year.
Thank You for the in-depth review of the wheels
Yeah totally true… it was difficult to keep track because I ride many different bikes and wheel sets.
I’d say it’s about 10k on these wheels
@@jasperverkuijl Thank You sir. I’ve been seeing a lot of reviews on these wheels. As a bike shop owner I’m not a fan of the direct to consumer business model but at least they seem to make a good product.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah I can understand that.
You could do the service of these wheels as the direct to consumer doesn’t have any service on location.
I bought these wheels, love them so far... best wheels under $4000 dollars really in my opinion. There are a few better options if you are a pro racer for sure, but for the $$$ these are extremely hard to beat.
4k$ is quite a high threshold 🤗
99.9% of wheels are under $4000 😂
Carbon spokes are a huge red flag. Stick with steel, tried and tested proven technology that works together with the rim, hub and tire.
Stick with old skool and never improve. Sounds the way to go, or not? 🤪🤷🏼♂️
New stuff is a bit scary but sometimes it will be the future mate.
I just HAD to make 100th comment and give 650th👍
I'd like to know from him what "big brands" to avoid .
1200 dollari la coppia di ruote
I remember spinenergy carbon 3 bladed wheel. I never trusted carbon wheels long term.
Is it possible to buy carbon spoke if I run out of spare one?
Are there any crash replacement policy :)?
Yea
I don't know much about the benefits of carbon, but i assume weight is the main reason they are used rather than alloy. These are $1200 for 1.5kg. I am sure the metal equivalent may be a little heavier, but will cost a lot less. Also with carbon, catastrophic failure would always be in the back of my mind.
Carbon wheels with carbon spokes and ceramic bearings is very very stiff I have the exact same wheels I never rode an faster and stiffer wheels while I have zipp roval and durace wheels. Never I will buy BIG brand wheel again!!!
Weight is lower and stiffness is higher. Overall much higher performance. So definitely worth it.
How does a "hub" affect the bearings? Don't the hubs just hold the bearings in place?
When the part where the bearing goes in is not EXACTLY the correct size (this is in fractions of a mm) the hub will sit too loose, too tight, or skewed. That can cause problems
Approximate at 22min, when they are talking about spoke entry angle, the builder was right in the beginning that these hyper spokes angles were out, however what he wasn't right is that these carbon spoke entry angle / hub flange hole drilling angles were initially designed so that the spokes are not touching each other. Going back to earlier winspace website, you can sell those spokes were not touching each other, thus the spoke entry angle was quite straight. However, many straightpull wheel users have reported the rattling noise on their wheels, so many companies started to cross their spokes in order to avoid the noise. Some clever companies will also tell you by doing so will improve the lateral stiffness. Back to the Hyper carbon spoke entry point, now the spokes are crossing each other, the potential consequence will be the spoke breakage, like two knives are constantly grinding each other, after hundreds of thousands rotations, they will fail dangerously. To all carbon spoke riders, make sure you regularly check your spokes for any damage, especially where the spokes are crossing each other.
Hi mate,
You are not entirely correct on this.
I have an early model of the hubs where the spokes are designed to cross and touch each other. Hence they kind of bend around each other which causes the different angles.
On the new model (i talk about this in the video how they improved the hub design) the spokes still cross but don't touch. (They cross but stay "on one side" of each other).
So in the new hub the spokes are in a straight line from the rim to hub and don't bend around each other.
I believe this is only on the back wheel. Currently don't have the new wheels yet so can't check it side by side right now.
Что? Скажите о колёсах Бора Ультра от Кампаньоло. 50 мм клинчера.
Great stuff thanks for sharing. I know what to buy for me.
More convinced on the quality of winspace wheels and products now. Not that it's anything near my budget until the next few years, I just hope they will still remain competitive in pricing and not scale up to other western brands.
He sounds like me, but not quite as handsome.
Honestly, I understood and agreed with everything he said
👌
The level of English dutch people have is insane
Very interesting video Jasper. Sounds like a true expert
Thanks
I got a set - on the way. Will chime in after riding... update: all good thus far. 3 months.... all good thus far. Very stable in the wind. At 65mm impressive.
I also love my 65mm rim brake version. I'm scarry only on windy descents.
Nice good thing they improved the HØBS
2 year old wheels are basically new. I have wheels that I built over 30 years ago, rode regularly for a decade or more, that are true and round and never broke a spoke. They aren't made of plastic.
Your wheels may be lighter than mine, but mine are lighter compared to me. (I'm 6'8" and big.)
Plastic wheels are instant garbage. Enjoy them for what they're worth, but they're toys and not tools.
Ok. So why are racecars made out of carbon? Because they are rubbish? Nope, because it's about performance.
Products have a lifespan, your wheels may do really well in durability but would probably not score high in performance. It's like that with any product.
You are happy with your wheels so that's great! Keep those and I'll keep these 👍
What wheels do u have ? I need to upgrade mine soon
Marc said it's worht the money but he would not buy them. Shame we did not hear his explanation. Other carbon experts say spokes should never be made from carbon, maybe this is why.
After my visit, Mark actually started developing his own wheelset with carbon spokes. So I do think he noticed something in this wheelset that was worth it.
But he is a wheel builder that will prefer his own wheels, because he believes in his own craftsmanship and products. So it’s fair for him to say he would buy his own wheel instead of the Winspace.
Next time I visit I will ask him why he said that 😉
@@jasperverkuijl I assumed it was for personal reasons, not something technically wrong with the wheel. They seem very impressive and nice quality according to his other comments. Thanks for sharing this valueable info!
How do these compare to their own tailwind wheels and would you recommend these for a race with a lot of climbing?
I raced Haute Route with these wheels! (Check my Documentary on that 5 day stage race in the Dolomites!!)
I've seen a lot of those hyper wheels during the biggest cycling tournament here in PH bet they're pretty good
Should have sent them to Hambini to checkout…
Why "should"?
Hambini and I had a chat recently. He's an engineer, he is great at what he does, but he's not a wheel builder. So his vision will always be different.
And Hambini already checked this wheels.
Why did you cut out the part where Marc talked about the rear hub and replace it with your commentary?
Because he was talking dutch, and that part i was recording for the image but not intended to use the audio.
It's easier for me to do voice over than to cut up the audio into 1000 bits and than do subtitles....
I must be missing something, but why to order from China ( I have no issues with made in China at all, well done China) when you can buy for example Hunt wheels at almost the same price in UK and you'll get: sales support, warranty, spare parts, supporting local business... and much more.. hassle free purchase.
You think Hunt is a local business?🤷🏼♂️
I honestly think Winspace is ahead of competition for the last years. Look how many brands are starting to explore the carbon spokes right now and launching their new wheels. (Western brands I mean)
@@jasperverkuijl Yes Hunt wheels are made in Asia, they dont hide the fact. But there's so much more than just $+wheels=happy times.
I bought Hunt gravel wheel just a year ago, and now I'm considering purchasing road wheels- again, comparing buying locally made in Asia vs direct from China. Indeed buying locally I see more benefits, are the Winspace wheels better than Hunt to convince me... I dont see it.
@@jasperverkuijl Winspace invented carbon spokes? 🤷🏼♂
I would love to hear more from Mark at Wheel Tec in the future. Just found your channel through this recommended video and subscribed
That's awesome! Welcome to the cycling fanatics family!🤙🤙
This whole spoked wheel thing is too complicated, I've gone with monocoque 3 spoke and disc wheels, 1pc vs 100pcs :)
Hahaha
Jasper i'm wondering if Mark is able to build the same or better wheels in this pricce range :)
He said yes 😂 (he is confident of his own branded wheels)
He’s actually looking into designing his own hub with the exact same carbon spokes that the Winspace wheel has after seeing the hypers. (I talked to him a while after this video and he was working on it than)
I accidently dropped in here. Amazing Video! Explains a lot for my knowlegde to build / restomod used wheels. Thank you! Very nice guys!
Well, thanks for tuning in!
It's a bit different than my usual content but maybe you like my other video too!🤙🤙
I have these wheelset and I am currently running Turbo Pro 700x26. What's the best tyre size for these wheels on riding recreational??
28mm with low tire pressure will work fine. Depending on your weight. I ride 28mm with 4,5bar and I’m 82kg. If you are lighter you can reduce the pressure even lower.
@@jasperverkuijl thank you.. I'm 64kg and I tried to lower my tyre pressure on my ride today and it feels alot comfortable during the ride. Thank you for the response 🙏 any specific brand of tyre to buy?
@@WhiteRiceCycling great to hear you had that positive experience! You can go way lower than you think. 👌🏻
I ride Vittoria tires. For training or recreational I would use the rubino pro tires. (I use the corsa, that’s really for racing)
@@jasperverkuijl thank you. Will order a set today..
very interesting video, cant think of another video that has provided this insight
Great video, I am seriously considering a bike build through Winspace. Thx.
I did 2. Pretty good stuff!
Op 22.43 bedoelt hij denk ik CAD (Computer Aided Design). Goed verhaal wel 👌🏻🤟🏻
Yes, mijn fout in de ondertitels!
My questions is would i buy European wheels hel no just ask mavic lol😂😂😂
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You should try Mavic brand . i am not impressed although i do ride them.
The experience that i have with mavic is really bad... Check my canyon aeroad review video of a few years ago. However that was a low end mavic wheelset...
My aluminum mavic entry level wheels are ok, for entry level wheels..
Love how you both spoke french at 15 minutes man. Well done with learning another language, I'm also a fluent French speaker 🙂
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Great stuff! Hopefully you could post a video to review on ican aero carbon wheels
Supposed to get some from ICAN but still have not received.
Think they are in another lockdown
Ja Interesant... He know his stuff..
Would you make a video about carbon wheelset from Elite? Thanks in advance
I think I'm talking to them now
I enjoyed this video and found Marc's analysis quite informative. About 9 months ago I bought a pair and was kicking myself for not getting them back when they were $1000 for a set, but I feel better about the extra $200. Happy with them so far.
My code and the price will be back to 1000😉😉
Glad you enjoy the wheels!👍
@@jasperverkuijl well I missed that deal! 😉