"Before you even knew what you had, you patented it, you packaged it, slapped a collar on a sex slave and now you're uploading it, you're uploading it"
Anyone know how I can install this game? I'm having so much issues. Trying to produce my own content to help grow the Fallout Fan Verse, but the instructions to install it is pretty unclear.
"I love my girl, when I get home I'm gonna ask her to marry me. Hey, this is my last will and testament, if I die in this battle can you give her my ring?" This is like an SNL parody
I don't know if you are referencing this (and with so many episodes, it's unsurprising) but this _is_ an SNL sketch. I can't find it on youtube, but if I'm remembering correctly it had John Goodman in it. Anyway, it's just all the hokey WW2 tropes piled into one scene and the soldiers slowly realize that they are doomed because of all the death flags they raised.
@Nagger I think Rimmy got hit hard by the weirdness that the NCR Story line is. That's probably why he is nitpicking. I'm playing the Crusader line now and every quest I'm looking out for that Rancor fuck. I got paranoid of main quests in Frontier because of him.
@Nagger That is the only downside from the Crusader Line. I just went straight to them, didn't do the Bridge quest, because while it looked cool with all those Vertibirds, I had no energy for that whole sequence again, even less for ARCHIMEDES II. Rather sad that they made the Crusader Line so short.
They remembered various scenes from shooters that they thought were cool, but didn't understand that the setup is what made those scenes powerful, not the scenes themselves
This one brother. There was something I knew was the core issue of the whole mod which I couldn’t exactly point out and you explained it very neatly. The mod is all show and no substance.
@@FathomLordKarathr It's free. It was suck from the start. I still find amazing what a team of amateurs managed to achieve. I can't do better voice acting, scripting, modelling (and I'm a hobbyist 3D modeller) if I tried. And I definitely wouldnt have the motivation to do so for free. Kudos to the frontier team -- hope some of them go on to have a future in the industry, this is clearly a project of passion without any kind of centrallized management.
A nuclear warhead is actually an extremely stable explosive because activation of the warhead is so specific. From what I remember it required slamming some graphite into some plutonium at a specific speed.
@CocoaXtv_ Wait, how does it make it more stupid? They're trying to stop the nuke, and it seems like that can't stop the launch sequence, so they're destroying the part that makes the explosion. The rest of the mod is dumb, but that part actually makes sense.
I can just imagine the Courier pulling a shoddy wooden table out of their back pocket along with a couple of chairs and then telling Tiberius "I've been waiting for this moment for a while, let the best Caravan player win."
Lol caravan sucks, maybe if you can get rich playing. But I make more caps walking the wasteland than I ever would playing caravan. Woild have been better if it was poker
@@mr.cauliflower3536 That Guy is a way to refer to that one guy or group of people who just ruin it for everyone else by not playing by the set rules, doing their own thing, or forcing everyone to add their things even though it will not work. The one person you dont want in a group project basically
They clearly went "Yknow, Fallout has never been dark enough" and decided to just slap together scenes from other "dark and gritty" games without understanding Fallout or how those other scenes worked.
People dont seem to remember that the tone of the Fallout series has always been dark COMEDY with serious issues being commented on subtly, not gritty edgelord hardcore darkness being blasted from speakers
@@cherry9787 I like how Blackthorn says "they can go with me if they want to" and literally all of NCR army goes with him to fucking winter wasteland without any plan. If Oliver was not portrayed like complete moron, which kills injured soldiers, everyone would stick with him, because they already got their front established in Mojave.
This mod managed to flip new vegas's strengths and weaknesses. New Vegas is a brilliantly written game with deeply thought out themes and intricate quest, but isn't the most technically impressive game in the world. This mod is incredible in the technical aspects, pushing the engines to it's limits, but is HORRIBLY written and has no idea what tone or themes it wants.
@@famoussession7426 If you mean create the game world and all the quest lines then bit over 18 months. If you mean all the objects and the engine that took over 10 years. Most objects and textures were ported from Fallout 3. The Creation Engine was also tweaked a bit for QoL improvements
the height of irony when they threw the furry under the bus. - The only dev on the team that DID NOT put his fetishes into the game. (He did pipboy art and had a plush toy hidden somewhere as a easter egg.)
I still remember one of the scenes in the NCR story was a straight up rip from Wolfenstein New Order where the mad doctor tells you to choose a teammate that he'll kill
the "epic card game to the death" thing is the most "fallout" thing in the entire game imho it's so good even the original devs of 1 and 2 couldn't have done it better
This has me wondering, if you were to upload a video with 2 different copyrighted movies playing side by side, owned by two different publishers, who would copyright claim the video? Is it possible to claim copyright over a video that contains material they have no rights to either?
plot twist: the mod in its entirety is a wild wasteland perk event, simulating the Lone Survivor vividly hallucinating about a vague future in the memory den
@@detectivepayne3773 Any of the events seen such as people loosing their legs, shooting at legionaries, and the like? All just the things the Courier did all over the Mojave Wasteland at random before twitching on the floor in some run down bathroom in one of the casinos.
Oh my fucking god I just realized that this mod takes place in the same world as new california, so basically you are supposed to play that mod and then this mod fuck that
Alright but when Deadman McDeath said "I hope that i don't die because there's a girl i really like, and therefore i really hope that i survive because dying would be very bad and i don't like dying i hope i live because dying would be very bad rn. I really want to live" it was truly deep
This mod is like a bad drug trip (based on how those were described to me by people who did drugs in their lives). It is an insane mix of ideas, but instead of a melting pot, they threw everything they scraped off from TVTropes wiki into an industrial blender and what that shit out became this mod. It is definitely better than hunt down the freeman, but damn... i understand why studios look down on the fans so much, most of our ideas of "cool things i want to see" just ends up creating this mod.
@@uknownauchara774 There have been streams and discord posts where they bash people who want to join the enclave as fascist Trump supporters power fantasy despite rewriting the legion to be female inclusive now.
@@uknownauchara774 going by what they said about the enclave when asked why they wernt playable. "you cant play as the enclave there fascists" hence why the entire segment was a wolfenstien rip off because they LTIERALY think the enclave were yatzi and worst of all said people who wanted to play as them were trump supporters wanting a power fanatasy WTF. but the same dude also defended the legion as being just misunderstood WHEN THEY ARE A SOCIETY OF BRAINWASHING MASS SLAVING UICIDAL NOCIDAL RAIDERS. only a sjw can have that level cognitive dissonance i like legion play too now and then but even i can agree there EVIL probably even WORSE THEN THE ENCLAVE.
But this is yassified version of the Legion. They made a woman commandeer. I’m 100% sure that they would prefer Legion to just be Roman larpers without all the ideological stuff. The Enclave on the other hand is militaristic by design, hard to do something with it, and for simpletons, militarism = fascism.
@@catpurrito5586 So what? Just because he calls them that doesn’t mean that they actually are fascist. It’s an actual term, with damn definition, not some random insult for bad guys. Arcade is portrayed as a know-it-all that whines all the time. The Enclave doesn’t have any specific ideology, no views on economy, social structures or morality in a wider sense. It’s just a government agency/project that keeps carrying and Bethesda uses for the bad guys whenever it suits them. Legion on the other hand has ideology, but is definitely not the fascist one. And I’m not really that much of the Enclave fan btw, I prefer House over them.
The station was the worst parody of video games I've ever seen, after the parody Wolfenstein scene from the first game "Make a choice" I couldn't continue the game, it broke me.
This made me realize... Fallout is TRULY DEAD, its mainline games have their soul sucked out by Bethesda and the fan projects are just stupid fanfiction level quality. It would take a MIRACLE OF A MIRACLE to get the game to its former glory, and I have already moved on
this will make you even more sad and probably both explain why the writing is shitte and make you not want play the mod even for the gameplay be warned. going by what they said about the enclave when asked why they wernt playable. "you cant play as the enclave there fascists" hence why the entire segment was a wolfenstien rip off because they LTIERALY think the enclave were yatzi and worst of all said people who wanted to play as them were trump supporters wanting a power fanatasy WTF. but the same dude also defended the legion as being just misunderstood WHEN THEY ARE A SOCIETY OF BRAINWASHING MASS SLAVING UICIDAL NOCIDAL RAIDERS.
*Courier* : "how bout a game of caravan to settle this?" *Legate Lanius* : "don't you even try to insult my intellegence" *Courier* : "(Speech 100) Scared to lose?" *Legate Lanius* : "Bring it on!"
The funny thing is, the frontier probably inspired a new wave of modders. No matter how bad your mod is, people will probably be able to see “it’s still better than the frontier”
@@sonicmastersword8080 Ironically, New Vegas is the one 3D Fallout that needs minimal mods to be good. Vanilla New Vegas is already fun with a great branching storyline, with a few fixes and QoL changes it's a great game. The same can't be said of FO3 or 4, which have mid gameplay and an even more mid story.
@@McCaroni_Suphonestly i really feel like if new vegas was made in the FO4 engine but still had its own mechanics just ported to the fo4 engine then i think really the only mods you’d want would be overhaul or dlc sized mods lol When I mean overhaul mods I mean mods like DUST or true storms (but for FO NV in this alternate timeline) Obviously we can’t ever see what obsidian’s true rendition of new vegas would’ve been like but we CAN speculate, and looking at the detail and care they’ve put in I’d say if they had the FO4 engine they would’ve absolutely blown us away probably with a lot more stuff than what Bethesda gave us
You know what would've been a better wild wasteland affect would be rather than any of the devs barely disguised fetish? Could be having nomad being all broken and close to death. And then you drag him to a bed and a little popup could go like "you watch in horror as nomad slept for an hour and see his bones refix themselves and his gunshot wounds completely heal as he gets up no worse for wear, because you had assumed only you could do that"
That would have been _legendary._ Lot of great directions it could go from there, too, to make some nice Naked Gun-eque jokes from such an absurd thing, but... ...instead, they did nothing. Yaaaaaaay.
"There is *literally nothing* I would hate more, but... sure." That is actually fucking hilarious. Cause honestly the Courier asking every single person what they think of the NCR, House, the Legion, etc... God that would be annoying.
@@dovahkiin7253 I wanna hear more. Can we get the sneedclave back together? I'm tired of all these service vets coming back disgusting, kid fiddling socialists.
@@dovahkiin7253 I won’t blame him too much, he got involved in the project and is part of it. This may seem completely different but it’s like when Mothers or Fathers defend their murderous son. It’s like that but way way less bad.
When I heard that I was laughing my ass of. The legion are definitely more evil then the enclave, in their mind they must think Slavery is fine but killing mutant's is evil...
I like how almost everyone knew who the spy was based on the fact that they either retained their legion picked Roman name, chose the name as an alias, or is just born with that name
*NOPE!* We do not treat Bugthesda harshly enough... Remember Emil Paguarulo's crimes against humanity that Bethesda calls "Writing"? *PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAID FOR THAT.* The Frontier is Gods Awful writing-wise... But it's *FREE* Bethesda does not have this excuse. Bethesda has no excuse, period.
14:40 "I need speech 80 to make THAT line?!" To be fair, that is consistent for New Vegas. You needed 9 intelligence to tell someone that an easy way to distinguish O from 0 was to put a line through the zero
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 a lot of the time people write the number 0 with a line going diagonally through from the bottom left to top right corner to make it easier to distinguish from the letter O. A lot of digital clocks and computers will still do this
Coito Ergo Sum, the mod about running a brothel and being a pornographer respects the lore of Fallout more than The Frontier does. The writing is also better. That's all that has to be said about The Frontier in terms of its story lol.
I'd rather get the comment America makes about her feet being worse than rotting fish when she takes her boots off hotfixed out my brain, if possible please.
@@hastur-thekinginyellow8115 I'd do it if I could. I'd full on Men in Black memory wipe this mod out of our species' collective consciousnesses if I could.
I'm again reminded of Roger Eberts critique of "Battlefield Earth": "The director seemed to know that better directors sometimes put their cameras into a dutch angle, but didn't seem to know why they did that."
Whoever decided a Wild Wasteland check would allow the player to fight the final boss via Caravan deserves a medal. Lowkey wish I could do that to Oliver or Lanius, I might've actually wanted to learn how to play it otherwise.
Only actual funny wild wasteland check I’ve seen in this mod or even in the main game itself really, a lot of wild wasteland humor is just references to things (mainly Monty python)
Caravan is not a hard game, its just blackjack times 3, except you need to reach 26 instead of 21 More in depth you should know J, Q and K don't count as 10, instead they have special abilities The only one of this cards you should really care about is Kings since they multiply a single card's value, a 10+K becomes a 20, a 3+K becomes a 6, useful to know cuz 10(K) + 6 is one of the "meta" ways to get 26, another "meta" strategy to get it is 10+9+7 The reason this are "meta strats" is cuz 3 turns is the minimun amout of turns to get 26, if you build a good enough deck you can consistently win in 9 turns by just doing this 3 times over, tho sometimes you might get unlucky and need to stall the way to stall is to sabotaje, mostly by using a K to double a big numer on your opponent's cards for example turning a 24 into a 34 making that one pile useless
not really since majority of the things that would take significant time in development already were present due to fallout 3 existence and the story/faction concepts of van burren
It shouldn't be, it should be the opposite of impressive, should be disappointing. What did they not know code before starting? That would be the only thing impressive. Is if they learned the code from scratch and thats why it took so long.
In fairness, Fallout: New Vegas had a set deadline of a year and a half, and was HEAVILY rushed, and was a buggy broken mess on launch. Plus, Obsidian had the Fallout 3 engine already made. From what I can gather, development on Fallout 3 started after the release of Elder Scrolls IV. So, from the earliest Fallout 3 development could’ve started, March 20, 2006, to when the last patch for New Vegas, 1.4.0.525, July 7, 2011, that’s roughly 5 years, 3 months, 18 days. The Frontier still took longer.
In fairness, Fallout: New Vegas had a set deadline of a year and a half, and was HEAVILY rushed, and was a buggy broken mess on launch. Plus, Obsidian had the Fallout 3 engine already made. From what I can gather, development on Fallout 3 started after the release of Elder Scrolls IV. So, from the earliest Fallout 3 development could’ve started, March 20, 2006, to when the last patch for New Vegas, 1.4.0.525, July 7, 2011, that’s roughly 5 years, 3 months, 18 days. The Frontier still took longer.
That’s sad to hear. I’m the voice actor for Nigel Suh, the one who “spec ops the lines” you. I recorded those lines in particular about two or three years ago but had my role expanded over the past year to cover the Legion storyline. I haven’t played through the mod myself yet, but this is definitely concerning to hear.
its all because they made the mistake of trusting a sjw to be on the dev team who then threatend to hold the mod hostage if they didnt let him do whatever he wanted. going by what the specific toxic dev who ruined the story and threatend the others devs to let him do what ever he wanted named devilswish said about the enclave when asked why they wernt playable. "you cant play as the enclave there fascists" hence why the entire segment was a wolfenstien rip off because they LTIERALY think the enclave were yatzi and worst of all said people who wanted to play as them were trump supporters wanting a power fanatasy WTF. but the same dude also defended the legion as being just misunderstood WHEN THEY ARE A SOCIETY OF BRAINWASHING MASS SLAVING UICIDAL NOCIDAL RAIDERS. oh and no suprise all the creepy fetish crap inserted into this was from him as well.
@@wilmagregg3131 Like the terminal entry that bitched about Republicans. Or the fact a certain dev member compared The Enclave and the Legion to supporters for a certain President.
credit where credit is due, playing Caravan in lue of actually fighting the final antagonist is probably the best Wild Wasteland option I have ever seen in my life.
New Vegas Bounties III lets you use Wild Wasteland to have an epic Spaghetti Western-style staredown with the final boss until his head explodes. It's pretty freaking hilarious, AND the entire series is actually decently written.
So a NCR GENERAL (so the one that decides tactics according to the overall HQ plan) is mad because another NCR general (maybe the chief of staff but still not the one deciding tactics) supposedly forced him to treat his soldiers like soviet cliché conscripts and that those soldiers were forced to duty again because another country suddenly invades. Being so mad of them not being to go back home (even though you are in a case of national crisis), and at Kimball's imperialist policies, he decides to take his soldiers thousand of kilometers away to conquer an independant territory (using to the death charges, suicide missions and spending more manpower and supplies than any country does in a modern warfare while having no industry whatsoever and no real mean to recrute soldiers) and impose NCR rule on it, so he can invade the NCR with a flying USS enterprise and depose a democratily elected president, so his brave beloved soldiers that he already sent to their death will be able to go home and it somehow won't trigger a civil war in the NCR. Makes sense. And space nazis
Honestly I’m annoyed by the fact that the mod seems to put a general in the command position of a major or captain. Like a general is in charge of a division or army, not a battalion or regiment (certainly not a four star general) like I get that it’s the post apocalypse but seriously no one found anything on how ranks worked back in the day? Not a single document survived, god that annoys me so much.
dont forget how they somehow manage to recuirt you in southern nevada and move through ncr controlled Nevada, California, and NCR controlled Portland like its nothing or how the Legion some how crossed through utah and then into northern Oregon, i want to know rhe logistics personel in these factions
RIGHT?!?!? NOT EVEN IN THE BASE GAME DO ANY OF THE NPC CHARACTERS EVER REFER TO YOU AS "COURIER" LIKE ITS YOUR NAME. Its so lame and the mod treats it like its some bad ass coveted thing to be a mail man lmao
@@milk1535 most of the NPC's in the game would just reffer you like "oh you're that mailman who keeps causing trouble" but here, everybody keeps calling you like you're some sort of superhero, it's soo funny and cringe at the same time. Like do they even know what "courier" means?
To be fair my Courier is the same guy who survived getting shot in the head twice, slaughtered the Powder gangers to their last man, work as one hell of a mean mercenary, took over the strip and is either idolozed or feared like the grim reaper. So it isn't surprising that the Courier grows into some sort of living myth. I mean It's still kinda awkward, like imagine 10 years after F3 the Lone Wanderer, gets recognized and called by the title he became a legend by. The titles in generel feel more like tales passed on than nicknames.
In this game you can psychologically abuse an emotionally vulnerable woman into being your sex slave and wear a collar that can explode. And the prompt after that is just “ Oh you little rascal you! Good person at heart but just love pulling pranks
As someone who reads a lot of crossover fanfiction, this is a common phenomenon. It's when people think their idea is brilliant because it's unique. They don't realize that new doesn't necessarily mean good. And no, you can't just put random stuff in a blender and hope it comes out as something awesome. That's not how good writing works. Also, if you go to the Spacebattles creative writing forums, the nerds there have a hard-on for super edginess and angst. Seeing things like that in this mod gave me a good laugh at least.
Crossover fanfiction just tends to be terrible for many reasons, though. One of them is that the worlds just don't match - for instance, I met someone writing a crossover fic for The Owl House (a Disney animated tv show for children, which is pretty good) and Tokyo fucking Ghoul. Very few settings even can crossover well, and professional crossovers tend to be terrible as well.
I have written at least one crossover (but never published it), but I never took it that serious. If you like crossovers, fine, just admit that they rarely work together and keep that in mind, instead of going "bUt My aRt!!!"
Holy shit Spacebattles, haven't been there in forever. That forum is filled with insufferable people who practically use tvtropes as a basis of criticizing stories. And it shows in the fanfiction they write.
15:15 considering the timeline of the fallout games, Preston shouldn't even be alive let alone on this coast, so I have to assume the note reads "Dear Courier Six, there's another settlement that needs your help P.S. did you think you could escape from me, you son of a bitch? Did you think you had ANY reprieve?! I am The Preston. I am eternal. Anyway I'll mark it on your map"
Thank you for a great laugh. I don't care if it makes no sense at all in the timeline of the games because the thought of my courier opening that note and going... 'wtf is this Preston and why is he telling me about some settlement that needs my help??' is legit made of awesome.
Maybe there are two Preston Garveys. No, seriously, out of everything that could possibly happen in Fallout, that actually would be considered lore-friendly.
If you do, there’s a simple fix: cut the weird stuff out when editing later on. Write a chapter in one sitting if you can, and look at it the next day. Maybe it’s good, maybe it’s kinda bad with some excellent bits here and there, maybe it’s terrible. If it’s terrible, you toss it and do it differently… and don’t get discouraged, this is a normal part of the process, everyone puts out hot garbage now and then, it just gets trashed long before publication if they’re doing things right. Now if you can’t tell when your writing is absolutely terrible, just read more good (or at least competently written) books to get a feel for it.
Basically this. It actually reminds me of early game development in a way, since there was a time during the transition period between “one guy in a basement” and “multitalented dev team” where a lot of dev studios didn’t feel the need to hire professional writers. Of course, those studios didn’t usually make dialogue heavy RPG’s, and they still had producers and marketers reining them in.
apparnetly one man ruined this mod each questline had its own writer and the ncr was a woke sjw pissant who REFUSED to let anyone else touch his campagin no matter what they said about it didnt feel fallout or was 90 percent movie crap he stole and they couldnt get rid of him because he also the programmer for the ncr segments
@@wilmagregg3131 I wouldn't say the dude was a woke sjw or what nto. Reminds me about myself when I read Japanese light novels, always feels a sense of dissatisfaction from the stories they tell. This dissatisfaction may easily turn into horrible fanfics, I mean, wattpad and fanfic.net was full of this stuff back in the day. Truth is, dude probably had zero training to be writing competent stories, he just kind of knew what was cool and went along to put all the cool things together in his own interpretation. At least they allowed you to choose to kill everyone and feel nothing about it. There certainly is a lack of depth in the story, a lot of the stuff is essentially very surface level, but I wouldn't hold the man against what he messed up and rub his nose against it. He probably knows he fucked up already.
Fun fact, there WERE 30 different writers, and one guy was told to make it all work together. Which is why you have some sections that are half decent and others that cause the FBI to bust down your door and tackle you to the ground!
@@IRUNASSULT This is a dumb comment. Whoever said it kinda needs their brain reworked. I don't like the orange but he isn't a fascists. And I can only sigh knowing the person 100% has no clue what that word even means to use it here. The original comment maker was dumb.
Funny thing is, I actually voiced a character in this mod (Capt. Parker Mace), so seeing that The Frontier turned out to be a load of dogshit makes me really sad.
It didn't, though. You're just drinking the Kool-Aid all these modern day freaks are pouring for you. I mean, look at just ten years ago, when censorship was the Great Satan and openness about sexuality was blooming. These people claim they're progressive, and yet they crucify this mod for its themes and for having fetishistic content? Hypocrisy as a foundation for criticism is a foundation of sand. As someone who sincerely enjoyed this mod (in it's original form, pre-neuter patch!) thank you for your contribution to it.
(15:15) Fun fact: From what I understand, Fallout NV and Fallout 4 only have 6 years between each other. So having Preston Garvey make a cameo appearance is decently lore friendly (if you ignore the fact that Garvey would be on the other side of the continent).
Forget about the developer drama, how the hell did these idiots think a grand space-ship battle, multiple dream sequences and a horror segment were all good ideas?
@Shadow Warrior 101 honestly from all I've seen this mod looks amaizingbut I'm easily satiated when it comes to games I got a kick out of homefront the revolution
@@spartanx9293 some gamers want to have fun and others want to complain. both types buy the same games and throw hundreds of hours into them. I'm like you - FO4 was a fuckin' awesome game, even though people dog on it all the time.
"I've done it, I've defeated the bad guy..." ETC I looked away from my screen for a second, and thought he was mocking the game. The fact that that was an actual quote from the game has left me stunned.
lol what about the girl that just beats the main character with the most hamfisted "i am hero. hero sometime do bad thing to do good. i do good. i had to do bad tho. i am hero. me hero, i am. hero me, hero now" (paraphrased ofc, but it was just about as stupid as that) like jesus christ a third grader knows that you dont just state character intentions like that, how genuinely stupid do they think the player is
i think that was supposed to be mocking the player. like, the same thing Spec Ops does. yeah, you beat the bad guy! but you also destroyed innocent lives. it’s not well done but you can understand that it isn’t meant to be a blatant character intent
@@urgadurga Just wanted to give props for the IASIP reference. Great comparison, too, because I feel like this story was written by people who are narratively illiterate.
@Cristo Alba it’s a pretty hard thing to pull off. one thing a lot of these dark stories miss is having parts that are good. Peaceful and calm moments add some hope and realism to settings. Sure, the world mostly sucks in these worlds. But there are still places that have hope. It’s like in berserk when there are nice and quiet scenes. It adds peace and melancholy into a world full of demons, death, and violence. And the story is better for it.
@@DeepFriedFrenz112 or Warhammer 40k, where everything’s incredibly fucked up but it’s made clear that there’s a chance for a happy ending, so while it rarely has calm or happy parts, it still has a feeling of hope and determination
@@DeepFriedFrenz112 This is why game stories like Red Dead 2 work. While it’s depressing as hell, it earns it by building up good times and character relations in the first half of the game.
@@realhumanbean7915 Interestingly enough, TVTropes also attribute the cause if "narmy" moments to mood whiplash and tonal overkill in stories, something that Frontier has an abundance of. In a sense, it's when a story gets so ridiculously contrived and ham-fisted that the audience can't help but break their immersion and have a laugh at the story's expense for being so forceful with an emotion.
Fun Fact: the NCR does not employ the use of the motto "Semper Fi" for a simple reason. as shown during the ending sequence of Fallout 2, during the final showdown, it is used by the Enclave. case in point, the last breath of Frank Horrigan is "Semper Fi". now imagine for a single nanosecond your higher-up using the motto of an organization responsible for mass murders, technology stealing, dismantling a chapter of the Brotherhood of steel, genocide, slavery, liberal and abundant use of bioweaponry and genetic manipulation, with a ploy to murder everyone on the planet, then during fallout 3 disruption of a public service, public execution, shock and awe tactics, blackmail, attempting to poison the sole pure water source, to attempt another genocide. let that sink in... imagine you're a US marine, and your colonel screams "Sieg heil!"... Well. i guess it doesn't matter because either nobody was alive, or everybody was on a bleach diet during Fallout 2, so the collective memories of that game had been erased from existence harder than the hopes for star wars 9 to be a good movie.
@@marley7868 i didn't even consider this detail, but you're right. goes to show how contrived this scene seems when the situation is "we are heroically fleeing"
@@Wargulf2838 yup it's the marines motto hence why horrigan said it (marines disproportionately join the secret service and what not) and why noone else does the brotherhoods army remnants so yunno someone would have to have a direct refrence to the marines to even make it
The Enclave in fallout is super secretive though, average soldier wouldn’t have any idea about their mottos and customs. They could just stumble upon it somewhere and decide that it sounds good. The more important thing is that the NCR doesn’t really have much these old American army esthetic in such a way, so incorporating this phrase in particular would be weird.
@@Letos90 highly improbable. old world knowledge like this can usually only be found in old-world complexes, like Vaults, BoS HQs and barracks, Mariposa base, and Enclave controlled compounds. NCR is a post-collapse order born after fallout 1. it is highly improbable a NCR operative found the Enclave motto without getting peppered by 2mm EC in the process. but i guess if it was shown this way... it would be an acceptable excuse.
you wanna know my favorite part of the frontier? there is actually one friendly Enclave member, his name is Theo and he's hidden away in a little bunker trying to get in contact with other Enclave members, and you wanna know the best part? he's an absolute sweetheart, he's a sympathetic character, and he's just tucked away, working on fixing up some enclave protectrons, his voice ends up being really soft and makes you feel for him, i can't believe that the group who the devs fucking hated has the literal best character in the game
If only that guy was in a better Fallout game. Probably would've made for an interesting companion. Hell, if the game was set somewhere that the Enclave had a stake in, like Chicago or somewhere in Colorado, he could've been part of an Enclave splinter group, that basically realizes how doomed to fail the Enclave as they stand ultimately are.
@@retrogamelover2012 There’s one Enclave soldier in Fallout 2 who, if your character is Intelligence 3 or lower, becomes friendlier and says it’s not your fault you’re slow, and that he has a brother just like you.
That fucking ending was so close to the end of Spec ops, all they needed was a vertiberd or two to bring the Courier back to the Mojave, with one option being to say "Gentlemen, welcome to an obscure reference."
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 SOME MAY EVEN TURN AGAINS YOUR FRIENDS AS RADIOACTIVE ZOMBIES, BUT YOU HAVE MY WORD, THAT I WILL USE MY KNOWLEDGE OF PRE-WAR TEC TO ENSHURE YOUR VAPORIZATION BEFORE YOU DO HARM. THIS IS THE GREATEST REWARD, MORE THEN EVEN CAPS!
That Dorito Stained dude, the kind that forces new kind of DND rules until it becomes inconvenient. The one that somehow thinks memes make good content until it turns out that it becomes outdated very soon. Really does
Almost 2 years ago, i made a dnd styled game for Fallout setting called, Fallout Demons of Seatle, even have two videos about it. The funny thing is, when i made it, i took from Fallout mod for hoi4 the brotherhood, characters and some factions, as i wanted to do sort of reverse Fallout 1, where mutants are chill and brotherhood is evil. I for all purposes made it rather comedic, but when it came to brotherhood, players were making it hillarious, despite my attempts at making it dark. To this day, i will not forget how they planted second in command into the wall with 6 rockets from an rpg, how they single handedly destroyed Liberty Prime, how the same second in comand of the brotherhood without power armor, beat one of them up so hard, he turned into a vegetable, and how the most scientific guy who based his logic on science became and was atheist started worshiping zeus, and for some reason, zeus actualy helped him 3 times. I wish Frontier was this batshit insane.
I actually know the guy that helped work on the infamous Deathclaw scene. He wrote tons of combat dialogue that somehow didn’t end up in the mod. Probably due to the actual devs being too horny to hurt the deathclaw
There was NO hint, of ANY of this in the trailers! That's the worst part. Let us never forget that. They lied to us on a level the likes of EA can only fantasize about at night.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 I thought you didn't have to pay for mod unless you're talking about buying New Vegas in which there are 15 brilliant mods out you should install which is definitely worth your time and 15 dollers.
@@CBRN-115 It really seems to just be a universal deathflag the more I hear it being used. Some things just trancends cultures I guess. Been curious for a long time about what other tropes are universal, stuff you can find in sotries and movies and media just about anywhere you go.
I’m just imagine him getting more and more injured as the story progresses losing limbs but always surviving. At the end he’s just a brain placed in a robot body going home to marry his sweet heart. Then flash cut to 100 years latter and he’s still alive watching his grandkids pass away and trying to shoot himself just for the gun to repeatedly jam That would been a good wild wasteland ending
This mod made ThuggySmurf's various quest mods look lore friendly! You know, the ones where you shoot pimps, build strip clubs, and time travel to shoot Hitler for recreation?
This entire mod is insane. You can tell that the people working on the gameplay features and new mechanics did a fucking great job and really cared. But then the writers come in by and fuck all of that shit up. I hope someone can come by this mod and repackage it so that we keep the new gameplay but get rid of the godawful story and kinks.
Actually the devs doubled as writers, while they have made a great gameplay mechanic implemented, they are no story writers. And like Hunt Down the Freeman, the devs even waved their "Kojima's Disciple" tag which was fucking cringe.
@@Sir_Bucket Actually, that section has more to do with story, since it's the writer that decided to have a horror section, not the programmer. The programmer's there to make it functionable , the writer is there to make it enjoyable.
@@anonymousapproximation8549 I don’t strictly agree with what you said to begin with but the writer and programmer in question was the same person as far as the NCR Campaign goes. Whilst I don’t know the lines where any one developer’s contribution ends and another begins, the person who wrote the NCR storyline used their contributions as a programmer as blackmail to have complete creative control over the NCR storyline.
@@teddybearpaladin I know that, but I was talking about horror sections in games in general. It's the writer that decides to add it as well as what purpose it serves, the programmer that makes it work, and the artist to make it actually scary. Obviously in this case the programmer _is_ the writer, so it's kind of self evident why the experience wasn't enjoyable, even if the programing were flawless.
I know it doesn't make the rest of the mod less shit, but shooting a nuke (or just damaging it enough in general) actually IS a viable way of disarming it, as nukes are incredibly fine tuned machines, they're not nitroglycerin, it takes a very precisely timed set of events for one to go off, and if that can't happen, then it either goes off with significantly reduced yeild, or not at all
You don’t want a nuke to self-detonate, so there are a LOT of safety features in the warheads, set up so that failure locks the bomb out of detonation. So fucking those up could jam the system and stop the boom.
Yeah, but shooting a nuke POINT BLANK is still an incredibly stupid idea, since odds are it will still explode with enough force to kill people within a few meters.
yeah, unprimed nukes are built to survive accidental releases and even plane crashes (think of all the "broken arrow" incidents, including the one where Carl Brashear lost his leg), so when people say "Nukes are incredibly delicate" the majority often thinks of "if you handle it wrong then we have homemade Hiroshima feat. Chernobyl with a sprinkle of Three Mile Island"....except, since the reactions needed to make the nuke go boom are so precise, it's more like "If you handle it wrong we're left with a VERY expensive and naturally polluting paperweight"
Nuclear warheads have regular explosives too. So even if shooting it wouldn't make it achieve fission, it would most certainly kill everyone is the room and cause a considerable amount of radiation to leak out
@@Revanchist-PL It would be bloody hilarious and ludicrous if it's revealed in the next Fallout game (if there is one, hopefully one that's not in the same vein as 76) that China found it's way to Mars and colonized it.
@@Ivynling Counterpoint: Intelligent Deathclaws from Fallout 2. Granted even a Chosen One that has gone for the "I will sleep with everything in California" route, will still not bed any of the deathclaws.
@@AdmiralCreideiki Now we're talking! Remember folks, all monsters need to pass the Harkness Test to be... Loved. What's the Harkness Test, you ask? It's simple, if the monster can communicate clearly (and consent) and is an adult of its species, it's free game, otherwise is wrong.
The NCR soldiers say "Semper Fi"? That's an interesting writing choice. It's a choice that would be completely incompatible with the established story if, you know... The main bad guy of one of the previous games was a part of a faction that directly contrasted the NCR, and his last fucking words were "Semper Fi"...
Yeah.....It's funnier that NCR's founders were middle eastern too, which is why their uniforms are based off of middle eastern military uniforms in the 19th-20th century. So fucking dumb
Remember when we were kids and we would all play pretend together, and after an hour we ended up shooting space lazers at cowboy aliens with Drake and Josh? That's probably what happened with the writing. A bunch of people threw out tons of ideas, got too excited and started suggesting utter ridiculousness, and there were no directors or editors to tell everyone to chill. Note to others who make a mod like this: Just get actual writers to write the script
@@suclox12yearsago56 ugh I forgot about the fetish stuff when writing this. Whoever is responsible for that vile writing needs to go to therapy or jail
4:23 Fun Fact: This is literally taken from a Bond movie (i dont remember the name). In this movie, James Bond wents to a space station and defeats a doctor who plans to gas the earth.
This was a beautiful disaster from start to finish, I didn't want it to end! Great job on the commentary and editing, really made the whole thing entertaining. It's a shame that this level of modding capability was put to service everything most people hate about AAA gaming nowadays. Wow.
I got to voice in this project ages ago, and boy oh boy it was an interesting experience. Half the team were nice and great folks, the other half I didn't even know existed.
They called the enclave a power fantasy, yet the whatever the fuck their NCR Outcast faction is called has the biggest military base hundreds of vertibirds and thousands of soldiers, even though they were just 5 soldiers and one general while the NCR which has been going for almost 100 years can barley afford more then 5 vertibirds in their army.
@@The_Guy_Who_asked... I mean thats just a book you can find which is erotica fiction but these lads put it where you can manipulate a girl into being a slave
@@GunslingerRose also forgetting the lasso? i think? there's a bar in nv where you can fuck a ghoul, robot, and a sexy cowboy. among many other sexual references throughout fallout games. i'm not defending the frontier at all, aside from its amazing technical prowess like somehow managing to get proper vehicle physics into fallout which was thought to forever be impossible, but anyway yeah. just cuz a mod has some lewd references in it, doesn't make it a fetish mod lol. peeps being majorly hypocritical trying to pretend they're pure little angels. of course, most of the lewd references in this mod are fucked and done in a fucked way. but i think peeps are mostly just trying to find extra stuff to hate either because hating the mod is the cool thing to do, or they just hate furry or scalie or feet or whatever other thing and are using it as an excuse to try to get other people to hate it as much as they do and fight some invisible battle to remove things they don't like from the world. lol. social politics.
So you're telling me: The super badass military OC that saves The Courier, THE FUCKING COURIER, Dies, but comes back later as a shape shifting ghost wolf. THIS IS PEAK DEVIANTART
As bad as that is, it could be worse. At least that particular example of OC cringe isn't covered in one of the developer's list of fetishes...unlike another character in the mod.
I think the deathclaw scene could work if they made the sex option a wild wasteland encounter and made everything else a way to disable, kill, or force to take a certain amount of damage by the death claw For example, if you have 9 or 10 endurance and have wild wasteland, the courier challenges it and the deathclaw either passes out or dies on the spot I mean if you can challenge one of the main antagonists to a game of caravan to the death, then this should be easy to implement
@@Hello-lf1xs Not originally. They pulled a "oops that was supposed to be wild wasteland!!!" and put it under WW after getting significant pushback. Which is either true and they must have done zero playtesting or (more likely) false and they had a rare moment of self-awareness.
"Your modders were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
"I Understood that Reference."
"Modders uh, modders find a way."
That is one big pile of shit.
"You're no better then the people who made this game."
"Before you even knew what you had, you patented it, you packaged it, slapped a collar on a sex slave and now you're uploading it, you're uploading it"
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you may not see them, but tomboys are an essential part of rimmys videos so theyre always there
HOLY FUCK LMFAO
I’d stop at the second tag.
When Siren said "More Private" she wasn't talking about privacy, she actually meant a place where more privates can watch you
"THIS WAS CONSIDERED PRIVATE?! THERES A MAN WATCHING US"
I fucking died lmaoooo
@@AusMasterProductions LMFAO 🤣 WAIT SERIOUSLY!?!??
He just controlled the process
Anyone know how I can install this game? I'm having so much issues. Trying to produce my own content to help grow the Fallout Fan Verse, but the instructions to install it is pretty unclear.
Watching Private Ryan
"Let's talk politics."
"There is literally nothing I would hate more, but sure."
the line itself isn't really funny but goddamn that delivery got me
It's very in character for Mike
Is literally everyone on earth
@@Apt23-v8u If you don't think a story about the destruction of the world isn't in any way political, I don't think fallout is for you
@@tright6huh?
@@tright6 Fatman goes brrrrrrrr
*literally enslaves woman into sexual servitude*
People know you’re good at heart even if you’re occasionally a troublemaker!
A teenager who was originally 15 years old.
@@AAJillSandwich whaaaaaat
At least we can't play as those immoral Trump supporters amirite gentlemen?
@@seannotconnery8191 lmao. Your comment captured the mindset most grifter have. Good comment
@@AAJillSandwich 18
Fallout: Call of Wolfenstein - Dead Ops the Line.
made by garry
Hunt down the frontier: Call of dead space - the New order
Should have been, Fallout: Call of Wolfenstein - Dead Ops the Line, Tactical Espionage Operation
Part 2 the preauel
Fallout: Call of the Dead Spec Ops: Advanced Wolfenstein
[Speech 100] There will be only 7 planets tommorow, because I'm gonna destroy Uranus
"it's all over but the crying"
8, VIVA LA PLUTO
Seems like that would be more of a wild wasteland choice lol but then, with this mod, maybe not.
"Let's go somewhere more private"
*cuts to black with sex noises and cut back in with the entire NCR watching*
Oh my god that's actually somehow even *worse*
I love it but I hate you for it
"I love my girl, when I get home I'm gonna ask her to marry me. Hey, this is my last will and testament, if I die in this battle can you give her my ring?"
This is like an SNL parody
Might as well play _Ooooh, watcha saaay~_
I don't know if you are referencing this (and with so many episodes, it's unsurprising) but this _is_ an SNL sketch. I can't find it on youtube, but if I'm remembering correctly it had John Goodman in it. Anyway, it's just all the hokey WW2 tropes piled into one scene and the soldiers slowly realize that they are doomed because of all the death flags they raised.
It could have worked if they did the twist in Platoon where he was one of the few that did survive.
AND they follow it up with "Once this War is over how about you buy us some drinks" They dug his grave so much I'm surprised they haven't struck oil.
All we need is Will Ferrell as a drill Sergeant
The Fallout 4 BoS would practically sell Prydwen to a random jet junkie if it got them that Flying Aircraft Carrier.
All too true
Considering thats probably Enclave tech backing that up..... They would have thrown their entire chapter at it to get it
@Nagger This video is nice rage porn but all the criticism is fucking stupid.
@Nagger I think Rimmy got hit hard by the weirdness that the NCR Story line is. That's probably why he is nitpicking.
I'm playing the Crusader line now and every quest I'm looking out for that Rancor fuck. I got paranoid of main quests in Frontier because of him.
@Nagger That is the only downside from the Crusader Line. I just went straight to them, didn't do the Bridge quest, because while it looked cool with all those Vertibirds, I had no energy for that whole sequence again, even less for ARCHIMEDES II. Rather sad that they made the Crusader Line so short.
They remembered various scenes from shooters that they thought were cool, but didn't understand that the setup is what made those scenes powerful, not the scenes themselves
This one brother. There was something I knew was the core issue of the whole mod which I couldn’t exactly point out and you explained it very neatly. The mod is all show and no substance.
Took the words out of my mouth!
Or maybe they just wanted to recreate those scenes in their mod. It's not a game, it's a fucking mod by amateurs.
@@devrusso and it sucks
@@FathomLordKarathr It's free. It was suck from the start. I still find amazing what a team of amateurs managed to achieve.
I can't do better voice acting, scripting, modelling (and I'm a hobbyist 3D modeller) if I tried. And I definitely wouldnt have the motivation to do so for free. Kudos to the frontier team -- hope some of them go on to have a future in the industry, this is clearly a project of passion without any kind of centrallized management.
A nuclear warhead is actually an extremely stable explosive because activation of the warhead is so specific. From what I remember it required slamming some graphite into some plutonium at a specific speed.
Yea, you can blow a warhead with c4 and it wouldn't detonate
i haven't (and i don't want) to play this mod, can someone tell me why were they shooting at the nuke...?
@CocoaXtv_ Wait, how does it make it more stupid? They're trying to stop the nuke, and it seems like that can't stop the launch sequence, so they're destroying the part that makes the explosion. The rest of the mod is dumb, but that part actually makes sense.
@CocoaXtv_ But thats whats they wanted to do, destroy warhead, not create nuclear explosion. They wanted to stop it, not use it.
@CocoaXtv_ They're not trying to detonate the nuke, they're trying to stop it from detonating.
I can just imagine the Courier pulling a shoddy wooden table out of their back pocket along with a couple of chairs and then telling Tiberius "I've been waiting for this moment for a while, let the best Caravan player win."
Lol caravan sucks, maybe if you can get rich playing. But I make more caps walking the wasteland than I ever would playing caravan. Woild have been better if it was poker
*Sips from his Vault-Tec''s canteen
@@jamesmeppler6375 Crazy how wrong this is rip, one of the easiest infinite cap methods is Caravan with No Bark
The real tragedy is that there were clearly some really skilled people with ambition working on this mess.
That's always the tragedy with projects like this. Developers and programmers put a lot of work into what they do, and it gets wasted.
@@pancakes8670 Developers, programmers, voice actors, artists... All because of THAT GUY
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 that degenerate guy whose fats and had fetishes on feet and asian girl.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 What actually happened?
@@mr.cauliflower3536 That Guy is a way to refer to that one guy or group of people who just ruin it for everyone else by not playing by the set rules, doing their own thing, or forcing everyone to add their things even though it will not work.
The one person you dont want in a group project basically
The writing is an entire moment from the Wild Wasteland perk.
this sounds so painfully accurate.
@@khaz8460 the *true* ending is playing Caravan to the death.
I don't like to play Caravan because whenever I lose my head spontaneously explodes
@@sylveriron2575 tbh i actually liked that. It reminded me of dancing wolf ending in Vampite The Masquerade bloodlines.
That's insulting to the Wild Wasteland perk. At least those were optional, and short, and well written.
They clearly went "Yknow, Fallout has never been dark enough" and decided to just slap together scenes from other "dark and gritty" games without understanding Fallout or how those other scenes worked.
But instead of making it dark, it made it just cringy and goofy with all these blatant references
@@CBRN-115 or remember Fallout 1 was actually pretty dark and attempt to emulate the tone of that game but nope
GrImDaRk!
People dont seem to remember that the tone of the Fallout series has always been dark COMEDY with serious issues being commented on subtly, not gritty edgelord hardcore darkness being blasted from speakers
"lets make darker fallout, oh but lets not add the enclave because they're fascists" - The Devs, literally.
"we don't have the medicine to help out our soldiers, so we need to put them down"
the doctor in novac: 😐
doc mitchell: 😐
the followers of the apocalypse at the mormon fort: 😐
that new vegas doctor that gives you stat inproving implants: 😐
Literally the courier in Camp Forlorn Hope: 😐
Courier at Nellis: 😐
But we can pull several vertibirds out of our asses?
@@cherry9787 I like how Blackthorn says "they can go with me if they want to" and literally all of NCR army goes with him to fucking winter wasteland without any plan. If Oliver was not portrayed like complete moron, which kills injured soldiers, everyone would stick with him, because they already got their front established in Mojave.
This mod managed to flip new vegas's strengths and weaknesses. New Vegas is a brilliantly written game with deeply thought out themes and intricate quest, but isn't the most technically impressive game in the world. This mod is incredible in the technical aspects, pushing the engines to it's limits, but is HORRIBLY written and has no idea what tone or themes it wants.
the worst part is- if certain developers stuck to programming and got themselves some actual writers- it could have been both.
Shit man new Vegas story and writing isnt that fucking good
@@tomaszskowronski1406 there were several people who were just brought on to write. The team was a sprawling mess by all accounts.
What's funny is that New Vegas was made in 10 months yet this mod took 7 years
@@famoussession7426 If you mean create the game world and all the quest lines then bit over 18 months.
If you mean all the objects and the engine that took over 10 years. Most objects and textures were ported from Fallout 3. The Creation Engine was also tweaked a bit for QoL improvements
Say what you want, but being able to battle the final boss to the death in a game of Caravan if you have Wild Wasteland Enabled is fucking amazing.
Oh no doubt, that is the single funniest joke in the whole game. Loved it. Too bad I suck ass at Caravan.
@@RimmyDownunder All of us do, Rimmy, all of us do.
@@krocva20
I had a friend teach me how to play Caravan irl but by the time I played FNV again, I had forgotten.
I still don't remember.
I've learned how to play caravan for the fucking achievement and I already fucking forgot.
@@RimmyDownunder how about a round of gwent?
Patrolling the Frontier WILL make you wish you were patrolling the Mojave.
Patrolling the Mojave will make you wish for a nuclear winter
Patroling the Frontier makes me want to cause a nuclear winter.
Patrolling the frontier makes me miss NCR soldiers in the mojave bitching about nuclear winters
This tour gets worse every day...
kabob 007 zach 2009
the height of irony when they threw the furry under the bus. - The only dev on the team that DID NOT put his fetishes into the game. (He did pipboy art and had a plush toy hidden somewhere as a easter egg.)
Gee, sucks
Dude wtf lmao
It's like when people throw the gay guy under the bus, only to realise they weren't the actual pedophile in the group.
Wasn’t that the guy who was revealed to be a pedo or was that someone else
@@vquill3927point is, his problems lied outside of the mod, so he was effectively used as a scapegoat
"I'm just gonna keep making references to various FPSes as we play this."
I'm p sure that's what the writers said, too
"Our lead engineer is 12... We haven't got this working yet"
Summarises it perfectly.
@@epiczombiedoctor5961 nah man, he's not a pony
Wait he’s seriously 12?
@@Nihilio i dont think so but he might as well be
I still remember one of the scenes in the NCR story was a straight up rip from Wolfenstein New Order where the mad doctor tells you to choose a teammate that he'll kill
Yeah same, I thought at first it was just a sort of cool reference, but the entire mod is littered with things like this.
its not like its a unique idea.
@@jaimeKeigh Cousin?
@@jaimeKeigh the thing is - entire dialogue was ripped off.
If it wasn't, than yep - it wouldn't be noticed.
It's so ripped off that the save in that scene is named 'Deathshead'
the "epic card game to the death" thing is the most "fallout" thing in the entire game imho
it's so good even the original devs of 1 and 2 couldn't have done it better
It's the one thing people who played mod to completion seem to praise, regardless of their views of the mod OR caravan lol.
Maybe if you were scripted to lose and use a speech check...that is fallout, not this stupidity
Remember kids, it's not plagiarism, if the amount of ideas you stole is so large. Than no single company can sue you.
Ah, the rationale behind Limbo of the Lost. Was the guy who made that game involved with this mod by any chance?
Class action lawsuit
It's like how if you have 2 songs in a video, both copyrighted by different companies, TH-cam just kinda gives up and no one gets anything.
Me when writing my D&D campaign. Except that is just something fun among friends, not something I released to the world.
This has me wondering, if you were to upload a video with 2 different copyrighted movies playing side by side, owned by two different publishers, who would copyright claim the video? Is it possible to claim copyright over a video that contains material they have no rights to either?
plot twist: the mod in its entirety is a wild wasteland perk event, simulating the Lone Survivor vividly hallucinating about a vague future in the memory den
no, it is the result of the courier doing ultra omega super jet, this is what he sees but in reality he's just twitching on the floor
i'd love to see someone _somehow_ add in this entire mod as a Wild Wasteland perk event into the actual game
@@kittykat5090 you overdose on jet and enter a psychosis where you hallucinate this entire mod while you twitch and foam on the floor
The Sole Survivor hallucinating or having a nightmare about the world ending and losing his/her family would actually sound more interesting
@@detectivepayne3773 Any of the events seen such as people loosing their legs, shooting at legionaries, and the like? All just the things the Courier did all over the Mojave Wasteland at random before twitching on the floor in some run down bathroom in one of the casinos.
them trying to guilt trip you with hope ville shows the modders missed the whole point of lonesome road.
Do you think whoever wrote that part even played any Fallout?
@Totally not the flash :3 rikkurikku was a member of the team.
@Totally not the flash :3 god that all sounds terrible
@Totally not the flash :3
Okay. I gotta see this, I need to experience how horrible it is for myself.
Oh my fucking god I just realized that this mod takes place in the same world as new california, so basically you are supposed to play that mod and then this mod fuck that
Alright but when Deadman McDeath said "I hope that i don't die because there's a girl i really like, and therefore i really hope that i survive because dying would be very bad and i don't like dying i hope i live because dying would be very bad rn. I really want to live" it was truly deep
I loved it when Deadman McDeath said "It's living
' time" and proceeded to live all over the mod.
It would be funny if for once someone said that but then actually survived.
Like, they get to go home and be with the girl of their dreams
So this mod is like Broly as described by Vegeta in DBZ Abridged: "So cool. But so dumb. But so cool... but. So. Dumb."
Oh my fucking god, this actually works.
except the fact that it's not cool...
It's Calvin and Hobbes' "Tyrannosaurs in F-14s". "This is SO cool!" "This is SO stupid."
@@SpecShadow The mechanical part of the game is impressive and super cool. The lore/story an dialogue? Ass. Complete deflated ass.
With a show like dbz the cool outweighs the dumb.
Alternate title; "Courier 6 gets his drivers license and relives 20th and 21st century fps tropes"
This mod is like a bad drug trip (based on how those were described to me by people who did drugs in their lives).
It is an insane mix of ideas, but instead of a melting pot, they threw everything they scraped off from TVTropes wiki into an industrial blender and what that shit out became this mod.
It is definitely better than hunt down the freeman, but damn... i understand why studios look down on the fans so much, most of our ideas of "cool things i want to see" just ends up creating this mod.
@@KorianHUN the problem is the writers not the fans and the writers are snowflake sjws so of course the writing is TERRIBLE
@@wilmagregg3131 where the hell did you get that from? I haven’t found anything on the writers that state their political beliefs.
@@uknownauchara774 There have been streams and discord posts where they bash people who want to join the enclave as fascist Trump supporters power fantasy despite rewriting the legion to be female inclusive now.
@@uknownauchara774 going by what they said about the enclave when asked why they wernt playable.
"you cant play as the enclave there fascists"
hence why the entire segment was a wolfenstien rip off because they LTIERALY think the enclave were yatzi and worst of all said people who wanted to play as them were trump supporters wanting a power fanatasy WTF.
but the same dude also defended the legion as being just misunderstood WHEN THEY ARE A SOCIETY OF BRAINWASHING MASS SLAVING UICIDAL NOCIDAL RAIDERS.
only a sjw can have that level cognitive dissonance i like legion play too now and then but even i can agree there EVIL probably even WORSE THEN THE ENCLAVE.
"Let's talk politics!"
"There is literally nothing I would hate more, but ok!"
My favorite line from this entire mess 10:09
I can get down with that line lol
Its a cameo to mikeburnfire, no wonder. Don't know if they had a hand in the dialogue, but the way he tones it is great.
@@NinjaUnderscore I thought he sounded familiar.
politics in my video game?!?!?1?
Ahahhahahahaahaa! 🤣😂🤣😂👌🏻
"We won't let you play as the Enclave, they're fascists" -The same dev group who lets us play as the Legion
Did they really say that lmao
Arcade the enclave guy calls them fascist tho
But this is yassified version of the Legion. They made a woman commandeer. I’m 100% sure that they would prefer Legion to just be Roman larpers without all the ideological stuff. The Enclave on the other hand is militaristic by design, hard to do something with it, and for simpletons, militarism = fascism.
@@Letos90 but Arcade the enclave guy literally calls both the Enclave and the Legion fascist, you fake enclave fan
@@catpurrito5586 So what? Just because he calls them that doesn’t mean that they actually are fascist.
It’s an actual term, with damn definition, not some random insult for bad guys. Arcade is portrayed as a know-it-all that whines all the time.
The Enclave doesn’t have any specific ideology, no views on economy, social structures or morality in a wider sense. It’s just a government agency/project that keeps carrying and Bethesda uses for the bad guys whenever it suits them.
Legion on the other hand has ideology, but is definitely not the fascist one.
And I’m not really that much of the Enclave fan btw, I prefer House over them.
The station was the worst parody of video games I've ever seen, after the parody Wolfenstein scene from the first game "Make a choice" I couldn't continue the game, it broke me.
It's like…the most depressing thing ever.
They kind of rushed this game after project Brazil didn't they.
This made me realize...
Fallout is TRULY DEAD, its mainline games have their soul sucked out by Bethesda and the fan projects are just stupid fanfiction level quality. It would take a MIRACLE OF A MIRACLE to get the game to its former glory, and I have already moved on
this will make you even more sad and probably both explain why the writing is shitte and make you not want play the mod even for the gameplay be warned.
going by what they said about the enclave when asked why they wernt playable.
"you cant play as the enclave there fascists"
hence why the entire segment was a wolfenstien rip off because they LTIERALY think the enclave were yatzi and worst of all said people who wanted to play as them were trump supporters wanting a power fanatasy WTF.
but the same dude also defended the legion as being just misunderstood WHEN THEY ARE A SOCIETY OF BRAINWASHING MASS SLAVING UICIDAL NOCIDAL RAIDERS.
@@AquaticLotus7552 Dear God Gaming is dead oh no Geraldo de rivaro will be displeased
The Wild Wasteland option to settle it with a game of Caravan was unironically brilliant.
Shame the death of Tiberius didn't look like he got sent to the Shadow Realm.
If only the Witcher 3 had a Wild Wasteland mode to duel Eredin in a climatic showdown of Gwent
True. One of the only things in this that seemed genuinely Fallout
@@mrcopycat2355 care for a round of gwent?
*Courier* : "how bout a game of caravan to settle this?"
*Legate Lanius* : "don't you even try to insult my intellegence"
*Courier* : "(Speech 100) Scared to lose?"
*Legate Lanius* : "Bring it on!"
They seriously went with "There is a legion spy among us!" while having a dude called Tiberius Rancor looking like Albert Wesker?
Sussy
At least Vulpes put on an inconspicuous suit and hat when visiting the strip.
@@elloo98 and he did that in neutral grounds the strip didn't care about the legion too much so a legion man going on a trip at least makes sense
@@elloo98 He also CHANGED HIS NAME when doing so
😳 a-among us?
The funny thing is, the frontier probably inspired a new wave of modders.
No matter how bad your mod is, people will probably be able to see “it’s still better than the frontier”
Let's just hope they don't waste their time on New Vegas. It's been dragged on too long. Time for the old girl to rest.
Most modders would not be able to make something like frontier
@@bthsr7113I disagree. The other Fallouts are too boring to even consider. Not enough mechanics.
@@sonicmastersword8080 Ironically, New Vegas is the one 3D Fallout that needs minimal mods to be good. Vanilla New Vegas is already fun with a great branching storyline, with a few fixes and QoL changes it's a great game. The same can't be said of FO3 or 4, which have mid gameplay and an even more mid story.
@@McCaroni_Suphonestly i really feel like if new vegas was made in the FO4 engine but still had its own mechanics just ported to the fo4 engine then i think really the only mods you’d want would be overhaul or dlc sized mods lol
When I mean overhaul mods I mean mods like DUST or true storms (but for FO NV in this alternate timeline)
Obviously we can’t ever see what obsidian’s true rendition of new vegas would’ve been like but we CAN speculate, and looking at the detail and care they’ve put in I’d say if they had the FO4 engine they would’ve absolutely blown us away probably with a lot more stuff than what Bethesda gave us
You know what would've been a better wild wasteland affect would be rather than any of the devs barely disguised fetish? Could be having nomad being all broken and close to death. And then you drag him to a bed and a little popup could go like "you watch in horror as nomad slept for an hour and see his bones refix themselves and his gunshot wounds completely heal as he gets up no worse for wear, because you had assumed only you could do that"
"I still don't understand how doing...that...heals your wounds"
_--X-88, casually leaning on the fourth wall_
That would have been _legendary._ Lot of great directions it could go from there, too, to make some nice Naked Gun-eque jokes from such an absurd thing, but...
...instead, they did nothing. Yaaaaaaay.
At least they had that Caravan bit in it.
Fitting for a fan made mod type of humour.
honestly if they wanted to go for leaning on the fourth wall in terms of jokes that makes so much more sense lmao
"There is *literally nothing* I would hate more, but... sure." That is actually fucking hilarious. Cause honestly the Courier asking every single person what they think of the NCR, House, the Legion, etc... God that would be annoying.
I'm pretty sure Mikeburnfire made that line up lmao
Strength in unity
@@justcuz2105 Yeah then he tried to defend the mod after all the sketchy shit that's in it and the mod makers being exposed
@@dovahkiin7253 I wanna hear more. Can we get the sneedclave back together? I'm tired of all these service vets coming back disgusting, kid fiddling socialists.
@@dovahkiin7253 I won’t blame him too much, he got involved in the project and is part of it. This may seem completely different but it’s like when Mothers or Fathers defend their murderous son. It’s like that but way way less bad.
“We’re not letting you play as the enclave, they’re fascists.” Says the dev adding in the “misunderstood” human trafficking Roman weeaboos
Yep
"The Enclave are Trump supporters" -Frontier dev
When I heard that I was laughing my ass of. The legion are definitely more evil then the enclave, in their mind they must think Slavery is fine but killing mutant's is evil...
@@rust9542
“Not muh hecking wholesome 100 mutants! They’re just like the poor minorities IRL!!!!”
Ah. So 'those' kind of people were the writers. Starting to make sense of the overall writing quality
I like how almost everyone knew who the spy was based on the fact that they either retained their legion picked Roman name, chose the name as an alias, or is just born with that name
Would've been unironically brilliant if the actual spy was named "Thörbjörn Güdmunsöhn" or other celtic name
**Looks over at Bethesda Writers**
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly."
At least bethesda writers aren't fetish writers and at least some of their writings make sense than this shit
Nah they got what they brought to themselves
No, you didn't. It's just these guys deserve even harsher treatment.
*NOPE!* We do not treat Bugthesda harshly enough... Remember Emil Paguarulo's crimes against humanity that Bethesda calls "Writing"? *PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAID FOR THAT.*
The Frontier is Gods Awful writing-wise... But it's *FREE* Bethesda does not have this excuse. Bethesda has no excuse, period.
@@reignick1133 Sounds like you are giving The Frontier an excuse.
"Let's talk politics!"
"There is literally nothing I would hate more, but sure!"
Fun fact: that's Mike from mikeburnfire
@@MrJulio632 Mike and Zach are great.
That’s probably one of the few good lines from the mod
*BAAHAahaHAHaaHA!*
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂👌🏻
@@WolfHreda Mike and Zach are gold.
14:40 "I need speech 80 to make THAT line?!"
To be fair, that is consistent for New Vegas. You needed 9 intelligence to tell someone that an easy way to distinguish O from 0 was to put a line through the zero
Truth be told I never understood what line between zero means, guess 9 int isn't too far off.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 a lot of the time people write the number 0 with a line going diagonally through from the bottom left to top right corner to make it easier to distinguish from the letter O. A lot of digital clocks and computers will still do this
@@ijustworkhere1008 oh. Damn. Strangely I find that smart........
Now I feel dumb for never thinking of it like that.
“what”
It was a comedy element
Coito Ergo Sum, the mod about running a brothel and being a pornographer respects the lore of Fallout more than The Frontier does. The writing is also better. That's all that has to be said about The Frontier in terms of its story lol.
Couldn't you shoot a porno in Fallout 2?
@@schweddy_balls2089 Yup. It was the inspiration for Coito Ergo Sum and why I said it's lore friendly lol.
Hell, in Fallout 2 it’s possible to become a pornstar in New Reno
I wonder how many of us agree with the comment: "too bad they can't hotfix the words "little slave girl" out of my fucking consciousness."
Wait when did he say that?
@@rogerarmy8659 7:27 it’s a Twitter screenshot
I'd rather get the comment America makes about her feet being worse than rotting fish when she takes her boots off hotfixed out my brain, if possible please.
@@hastur-thekinginyellow8115 I'd do it if I could. I'd full on Men in Black memory wipe this mod out of our species' collective consciousnesses if I could.
@@hastur-thekinginyellow8115
You had to remind me of that.
I'm again reminded of Roger Eberts critique of "Battlefield Earth": "The director seemed to know that better directors sometimes put their cameras into a dutch angle, but didn't seem to know why they did that."
You got likes thought I'd tell you
Whoever decided a Wild Wasteland check would allow the player to fight the final boss via Caravan deserves a medal. Lowkey wish I could do that to Oliver or Lanius, I might've actually wanted to learn how to play it otherwise.
yeah that was actually kind of genius
Only actual funny wild wasteland check I’ve seen in this mod or even in the main game itself really, a lot of wild wasteland humor is just references to things (mainly Monty python)
Caravan is not a hard game, its just blackjack times 3, except you need to reach 26 instead of 21
More in depth you should know J, Q and K don't count as 10, instead they have special abilities
The only one of this cards you should really care about is Kings since they multiply a single card's value, a 10+K becomes a 20, a 3+K becomes a 6, useful to know cuz 10(K) + 6 is one of the "meta" ways to get 26, another "meta" strategy to get it is 10+9+7
The reason this are "meta strats" is cuz 3 turns is the minimun amout of turns to get 26, if you build a good enough deck you can consistently win in 9 turns by just doing this 3 times over, tho sometimes you might get unlucky and need to stall the way to stall is to sabotaje, mostly by using a K to double a big numer on your opponent's cards for example turning a 24 into a 34 making that one pile useless
@@Zerum69 uh- yeah- i..... agree?
@@Zerum69 Where the hell were you when it came to writing the instructions?
the fact that this took longer than the base game to make is impressive
not really since majority of the things that would take significant time in development already were present due to fallout 3 existence and the story/faction concepts of van burren
Impresive in a bad way for sure
It shouldn't be, it should be the opposite of impressive, should be disappointing. What did they not know code before starting? That would be the only thing impressive.
Is if they learned the code from scratch and thats why it took so long.
In fairness, Fallout: New Vegas had a set deadline of a year and a half, and was HEAVILY rushed, and was a buggy broken mess on launch.
Plus, Obsidian had the Fallout 3 engine already made. From what I can gather, development on Fallout 3 started after the release of Elder Scrolls IV.
So, from the earliest Fallout 3 development could’ve started, March 20, 2006, to when the last patch for New Vegas, 1.4.0.525, July 7, 2011, that’s roughly 5 years, 3 months, 18 days.
The Frontier still took longer.
In fairness, Fallout: New Vegas had a set deadline of a year and a half, and was HEAVILY rushed, and was a buggy broken mess on launch.
Plus, Obsidian had the Fallout 3 engine already made. From what I can gather, development on Fallout 3 started after the release of Elder Scrolls IV.
So, from the earliest Fallout 3 development could’ve started, March 20, 2006, to when the last patch for New Vegas, 1.4.0.525, July 7, 2011, that’s roughly 5 years, 3 months, 18 days.
The Frontier still took longer.
That’s sad to hear.
I’m the voice actor for Nigel Suh, the one who “spec ops the lines” you.
I recorded those lines in particular about two or three years ago but had my role expanded over the past year to cover the Legion storyline.
I haven’t played through the mod myself yet, but this is definitely concerning to hear.
its all because they made the mistake of trusting a sjw to be on the dev team who then threatend to hold the mod hostage if they didnt let him do whatever he wanted.
going by what the specific toxic dev who ruined the story and threatend the others devs to let him do what ever he wanted named devilswish said about the enclave when asked why they wernt playable.
"you cant play as the enclave there fascists"
hence why the entire segment was a wolfenstien rip off because they LTIERALY think the enclave were yatzi and worst of all said people who wanted to play as them were trump supporters wanting a power fanatasy WTF.
but the same dude also defended the legion as being just misunderstood WHEN THEY ARE A SOCIETY OF BRAINWASHING MASS SLAVING UICIDAL NOCIDAL RAIDERS.
oh and no suprise all the creepy fetish crap inserted into this was from him as well.
@@wilmagregg3131 Like the terminal entry that bitched about Republicans. Or the fact a certain dev member compared The Enclave and the Legion to supporters for a certain President.
The mod is fun, if you turn your brain off. There are parts that just pull me out of the game thinking, " wtf am i playing" at times.
@@wilmagregg3131 How did one dev manage to take the entire mod hostage though?
@@michaelfoster9296 maybe that guy have the whole code, sound, graphics, and have control over The Frontier whole account? Idk tho, but just maybe.
credit where credit is due, playing Caravan in lue of actually fighting the final antagonist is probably the best Wild Wasteland option I have ever seen in my life.
Skyguy the SF that is freaking amazing
New Vegas Bounties III lets you use Wild Wasteland to have an epic Spaghetti Western-style staredown with the final boss until his head explodes. It's pretty freaking hilarious, AND the entire series is actually decently written.
@@slayer0235 New Vegas Bounties is pretty darn good as far as quest mods go, that's for sure.
@@slayer0235 how do you do this? I had wild wasteland and had no such option.
@@darkmudkip8516 I think you need Perception 10 for that.
So a NCR GENERAL (so the one that decides tactics according to the overall HQ plan) is mad because another NCR general (maybe the chief of staff but still not the one deciding tactics) supposedly forced him to treat his soldiers like soviet cliché conscripts and that those soldiers were forced to duty again because another country suddenly invades. Being so mad of them not being to go back home (even though you are in a case of national crisis), and at Kimball's imperialist policies, he decides to take his soldiers thousand of kilometers away to conquer an independant territory (using to the death charges, suicide missions and spending more manpower and supplies than any country does in a modern warfare while having no industry whatsoever and no real mean to recrute soldiers) and impose NCR rule on it, so he can invade the NCR with a flying USS enterprise and depose a democratily elected president, so his brave beloved soldiers that he already sent to their death will be able to go home and it somehow won't trigger a civil war in the NCR.
Makes sense.
And space nazis
Can't forget the space nazis...
@@chaosinc.382 Hey they are worse than the Legion...because !
Honestly I’m annoyed by the fact that the mod seems to put a general in the command position of a major or captain. Like a general is in charge of a division or army, not a battalion or regiment (certainly not a four star general) like I get that it’s the post apocalypse but seriously no one found anything on how ranks worked back in the day? Not a single document survived, god that annoys me so much.
The plot is so bad.
dont forget how they somehow manage to recuirt you in southern nevada and move through ncr controlled Nevada, California, and NCR controlled Portland like its nothing
or how the Legion some how crossed through utah and then into northern Oregon, i want to know rhe logistics personel in these factions
I like how all the character just outright calls you "The Courier" as if it's a badass title, even tough it's literally means a mailman.
RIGHT?!?!? NOT EVEN IN THE BASE GAME DO ANY OF THE NPC CHARACTERS EVER REFER TO YOU AS "COURIER" LIKE ITS YOUR NAME. Its so lame and the mod treats it like its some bad ass coveted thing to be a mail man lmao
@@milk1535 most of the NPC's in the game would just reffer you like "oh you're that mailman who keeps causing trouble"
but here, everybody keeps calling you like you're some sort of superhero, it's soo funny and cringe at the same time. Like do they even know what "courier" means?
To be fair my Courier is the same guy who survived getting shot in the head twice, slaughtered the Powder gangers to their last man, work as one hell of a mean mercenary, took over the strip and is either idolozed or feared like the grim reaper. So it isn't surprising that the Courier grows into some sort of living myth.
I mean It's still kinda awkward, like imagine 10 years after F3 the Lone Wanderer, gets recognized and called by the title he became a legend by.
The titles in generel feel more like tales passed on than nicknames.
He's not just a mailman, he's THE mailman
Not to mention, you were specifically Courier 6. Well, more like Courier 6, 2.
In this game you can psychologically abuse an emotionally vulnerable woman into being your sex slave and wear a collar that can explode. And the prompt after that is just “ Oh you little rascal you! Good person at heart but just love pulling pranks
Yea, we do a little trolling
@@cameronpadley117 just a little trolling
we do a little trolling
Be doing a little trolling.
Trolling a little we be doing
As someone who reads a lot of crossover fanfiction, this is a common phenomenon. It's when people think their idea is brilliant because it's unique. They don't realize that new doesn't necessarily mean good. And no, you can't just put random stuff in a blender and hope it comes out as something awesome. That's not how good writing works.
Also, if you go to the Spacebattles creative writing forums, the nerds there have a hard-on for super edginess and angst. Seeing things like that in this mod gave me a good laugh at least.
Its not unique they stole literally everything from other FPS games or movies
Crossover fanfiction just tends to be terrible for many reasons, though. One of them is that the worlds just don't match - for instance, I met someone writing a crossover fic for The Owl House (a Disney animated tv show for children, which is pretty good) and Tokyo fucking Ghoul. Very few settings even can crossover well, and professional crossovers tend to be terrible as well.
I have written at least one crossover (but never published it), but I never took it that serious. If you like crossovers, fine, just admit that they rarely work together and keep that in mind, instead of going "bUt My aRt!!!"
SpaceBattles is the type of place to worship Elon Musk and unironically like rage comics
Holy shit Spacebattles, haven't been there in forever. That forum is filled with insufferable people who practically use tvtropes as a basis of criticizing stories. And it shows in the fanfiction they write.
"too bad they can't hotfix the words 'little slave girl' out of my fucking conscience"
💀
Fr 😂😭
15:15 considering the timeline of the fallout games, Preston shouldn't even be alive let alone on this coast, so I have to assume the note reads
"Dear Courier Six,
there's another settlement that needs your help
P.S. did you think you could escape from me, you son of a bitch? Did you think you had ANY reprieve?! I am The Preston. I am eternal. Anyway I'll mark it on your map"
It's Preston Gravey apparently. Different guy.
even if it was Preston, fo4 takes place 6 years after fnv, Preston isn't that young
whatayatalking, fallout 4 take like 6 years after new vegas, and by his looks surely he wasn't a toddler either during new vegas
Thank you for a great laugh. I don't care if it makes no sense at all in the timeline of the games because the thought of my courier opening that note and going... 'wtf is this Preston and why is he telling me about some settlement that needs my help??' is legit made of awesome.
Maybe there are two Preston Garveys.
No, seriously, out of everything that could possibly happen in Fallout, that actually would be considered lore-friendly.
they actually added a THE NUMBERS MASON moment, seriously?
What's one more reference to the pile?
I hate it when any piece of media think constantly referencing other media is a substitute for writing.
We're gonna put you in the mason!
When I see writing this bad, it actually just makes me afraid of my own writing rather than confident.
“Oh shit, I don’t write THAT bad do I?”
Nobody could ever write as bad as this. As long as you aren't Stephanie Meyer or E.L. James, or these people, you'll be fine.
To regain your confidence, I recommend you detail exactly what mistakes the writer made and consciously decide to avoid them.
If you do, there’s a simple fix: cut the weird stuff out when editing later on. Write a chapter in one sitting if you can, and look at it the next day. Maybe it’s good, maybe it’s kinda bad with some excellent bits here and there, maybe it’s terrible. If it’s terrible, you toss it and do it differently… and don’t get discouraged, this is a normal part of the process, everyone puts out hot garbage now and then, it just gets trashed long before publication if they’re doing things right.
Now if you can’t tell when your writing is absolutely terrible, just read more good (or at least competently written) books to get a feel for it.
Don't worry, if you think for atleast for 10 seconds, you're already doing a better job.
The fact that you're concerned whether your writing is bad or not is already a good sign that you're not AS bad as those guys.
"this is what happens if you put a bunch of programmer nerds in a room without a screenwriter giving them instructions"
Is this a Freeman's Mind joke?
@@ArcturusOTE It's also something that was said about the Starcraft 2 beta.
Basically this. It actually reminds me of early game development in a way, since there was a time during the transition period between “one guy in a basement” and “multitalented dev team” where a lot of dev studios didn’t feel the need to hire professional writers. Of course, those studios didn’t usually make dialogue heavy RPG’s, and they still had producers and marketers reining them in.
apparnetly one man ruined this mod each questline had its own writer and the ncr was a woke sjw pissant who REFUSED to let anyone else touch his campagin no matter what they said about it didnt feel fallout or was 90 percent movie crap he stole and they couldnt get rid of him because he also the programmer for the ncr segments
@@wilmagregg3131 I wouldn't say the dude was a woke sjw or what nto. Reminds me about myself when I read Japanese light novels, always feels a sense of dissatisfaction from the stories they tell. This dissatisfaction may easily turn into horrible fanfics, I mean, wattpad and fanfic.net was full of this stuff back in the day.
Truth is, dude probably had zero training to be writing competent stories, he just kind of knew what was cool and went along to put all the cool things together in his own interpretation. At least they allowed you to choose to kill everyone and feel nothing about it. There certainly is a lack of depth in the story, a lot of the stuff is essentially very surface level, but I wouldn't hold the man against what he messed up and rub his nose against it. He probably knows he fucked up already.
Fun fact, there WERE 30 different writers, and one guy was told to make it all work together. Which is why you have some sections that are half decent and others that cause the FBI to bust down your door and tackle you to the ground!
"Fun fact before the hotfix if you dismissed her while enslaved she'd actually kill herself." These modders are insane people actually
"Too bad they can't patch the words 'little slave girl' out of my fucking conscious"
“The enclave are Trump supporters”
“Playing as the enclave is just a power fantasy” “a fascist power fantasy”
@@IRUNASSULT This is a dumb comment. Whoever said it kinda needs their brain reworked. I don't like the orange but he isn't a fascists. And I can only sigh knowing the person 100% has no clue what that word even means to use it here. The original comment maker was dumb.
@@IRUNASSULT *also likes Legion enough to rewrite them having affirmative action*
@@NeiasaurusCreations he is literally a fascist by definition lol.
The dude with the nuke attached to his vehicle and the fucking “WITNESS MEEE” line might be the funniest thing in this mod imo
For the idiots who never watched Mad Max Fury Road, yeah it can be.
@@stareintoabyss it's so corny that it's funny
@@stareintoabyss ha ha I’m an idiot that doesn’t care about watching Mad Max Fury Road
@@alexanderblum9882 give it a chance watch it
Why must cars in post apocalyptic settings ALWAYS aggressively reference Mad Max?
Funny thing is, I actually voiced a character in this mod (Capt. Parker Mace), so seeing that The Frontier turned out to be a load of dogshit makes me really sad.
It didn't, though. You're just drinking the Kool-Aid all these modern day freaks are pouring for you. I mean, look at just ten years ago, when censorship was the Great Satan and openness about sexuality was blooming. These people claim they're progressive, and yet they crucify this mod for its themes and for having fetishistic content? Hypocrisy as a foundation for criticism is a foundation of sand.
As someone who sincerely enjoyed this mod (in it's original form, pre-neuter patch!) thank you for your contribution to it.
Thank you for your service
I still appreciate your efforts.
SEMPER FI
Reporting in Captain
(15:15) Fun fact: From what I understand, Fallout NV and Fallout 4 only have 6 years between each other. So having Preston Garvey make a cameo appearance is decently lore friendly (if you ignore the fact that Garvey would be on the other side of the continent).
So not actually lore friendly at all then 😂
@@reece42069More lore friendly than the rest of the mod.
It's Gravey, not Garvey ffs
Forget about the developer drama, how the hell did these idiots think a grand space-ship battle, multiple dream sequences and a horror segment were all good ideas?
@Shadow Warrior 101 Also Space in Fallout, that isn't related to those aliens, isn't the whole point of fallout is everything is fucked
@Shadow Warrior 101 honestly from all I've seen this mod looks amaizingbut I'm easily satiated when it comes to games I got a kick out of homefront the revolution
@@spartanx9293 some gamers want to have fun and others want to complain. both types buy the same games and throw hundreds of hours into them. I'm like you - FO4 was a fuckin' awesome game, even though people dog on it all the time.
@@SpaceMissile nice taste
Fallout 3 had ONE dream sequence, and that was enough
"I've done it, I've defeated the bad guy..." ETC
I looked away from my screen for a second, and thought he was mocking the game. The fact that that was an actual quote from the game has left me stunned.
lol what about the girl that just beats the main character with the most hamfisted "i am hero. hero sometime do bad thing to do good. i do good. i had to do bad tho. i am hero. me hero, i am. hero me, hero now" (paraphrased ofc, but it was just about as stupid as that)
like jesus christ a third grader knows that you dont just state character intentions like that, how genuinely stupid do they think the player is
25:56
i think that was supposed to be mocking the player. like, the same thing Spec Ops does. yeah, you beat the bad guy! but you also destroyed innocent lives. it’s not well done but you can understand that it isn’t meant to be a blatant character intent
It was meant to be mocking the character. Using the exact same collateral damage guilt trip crap as Ulysses and half of Someguy2000's mods.
@@urgadurga Just wanted to give props for the IASIP reference. Great comparison, too, because I feel like this story was written by people who are narratively illiterate.
The word for this mod is "Grimderp."
It's when you go SO HARD into the grimdark that it becomes hilarious.
@Cristo Alba it’s a pretty hard thing to pull off. one thing a lot of these dark stories miss is having parts that are good. Peaceful and calm moments add some hope and realism to settings. Sure, the world mostly sucks in these worlds. But there are still places that have hope. It’s like in berserk when there are nice and quiet scenes. It adds peace and melancholy into a world full of demons, death, and violence. And the story is better for it.
@@DeepFriedFrenz112 or Warhammer 40k, where everything’s incredibly fucked up but it’s made clear that there’s a chance for a happy ending, so while it rarely has calm or happy parts, it still has a feeling of hope and determination
@@DeepFriedFrenz112 This is why game stories like Red Dead 2 work. While it’s depressing as hell, it earns it by building up good times and character relations in the first half of the game.
Isn’t that “narm”
@@realhumanbean7915 Interestingly enough, TVTropes also attribute the cause if "narmy" moments to mood whiplash and tonal overkill in stories, something that Frontier has an abundance of.
In a sense, it's when a story gets so ridiculously contrived and ham-fisted that the audience can't help but break their immersion and have a laugh at the story's expense for being so forceful with an emotion.
Fun Fact: the NCR does not employ the use of the motto "Semper Fi" for a simple reason. as shown during the ending sequence of Fallout 2, during the final showdown, it is used by the Enclave. case in point, the last breath of Frank Horrigan is "Semper Fi".
now imagine for a single nanosecond your higher-up using the motto of an organization responsible for mass murders, technology stealing, dismantling a chapter of the Brotherhood of steel, genocide, slavery, liberal and abundant use of bioweaponry and genetic manipulation, with a ploy to murder everyone on the planet, then during fallout 3 disruption of a public service, public execution, shock and awe tactics, blackmail, attempting to poison the sole pure water source, to attempt another genocide.
let that sink in... imagine you're a US marine, and your colonel screams "Sieg heil!"...
Well. i guess it doesn't matter because either nobody was alive, or everybody was on a bleach diet during Fallout 2, so the collective memories of that game had been erased from existence harder than the hopes for star wars 9 to be a good movie.
furthur more semper fi means always loyal you are bailing on a war effort semper fi should be the last thing you say
@@marley7868 i didn't even consider this detail, but you're right. goes to show how contrived this scene seems when the situation is "we are heroically fleeing"
@@Wargulf2838 yup it's the marines motto hence why horrigan said it (marines disproportionately join the secret service and what not) and why noone else does the brotherhoods army remnants so yunno someone would have to have a direct refrence to the marines to even make it
The Enclave in fallout is super secretive though, average soldier wouldn’t have any idea about their mottos and customs. They could just stumble upon it somewhere and decide that it sounds good. The more important thing is that the NCR doesn’t really have much these old American army esthetic in such a way, so incorporating this phrase in particular would be weird.
@@Letos90 highly improbable. old world knowledge like this can usually only be found in old-world complexes, like Vaults, BoS HQs and barracks, Mariposa base, and Enclave controlled compounds. NCR is a post-collapse order born after fallout 1. it is highly improbable a NCR operative found the Enclave motto without getting peppered by 2mm EC in the process.
but i guess if it was shown this way... it would be an acceptable excuse.
you wanna know my favorite part of the frontier? there is actually one friendly Enclave member, his name is Theo and he's hidden away in a little bunker trying to get in contact with other Enclave members, and you wanna know the best part? he's an absolute sweetheart, he's a sympathetic character, and he's just tucked away, working on fixing up some enclave protectrons, his voice ends up being really soft and makes you feel for him, i can't believe that the group who the devs fucking hated has the literal best character in the game
wait... assaultrons?
If only that guy was in a better Fallout game. Probably would've made for an interesting companion.
Hell, if the game was set somewhere that the Enclave had a stake in, like Chicago or somewhere in Colorado, he could've been part of an Enclave splinter group, that basically realizes how doomed to fail the Enclave as they stand ultimately are.
@@retrogamelover2012 I mean he kinda sounds like Arcade
@@retrogamelover2012 There’s one Enclave soldier in Fallout 2 who, if your character is Intelligence 3 or lower, becomes friendlier and says it’s not your fault you’re slow, and that he has a brother just like you.
@@timesnewlogan2032 Alright... Thanks for the tidbit.
That fucking ending was so close to the end of Spec ops, all they needed was a vertiberd or two to bring the Courier back to the Mojave, with one option being to say "Gentlemen, welcome to an obscure reference."
"Do you feel like a courier yet?"
"Now i really feel like a Fallout New Vegas: The Frontier"
@@gamer65688 Roll credits!
I WILL NOT LIE THE CHANCES OF YOUR SURVIVAL ARE SMALL.
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 SOME MAY EVEN TURN AGAINS YOUR FRIENDS AS RADIOACTIVE ZOMBIES, BUT YOU HAVE MY WORD, THAT I WILL USE MY KNOWLEDGE OF PRE-WAR TEC TO ENSHURE YOUR VAPORIZATION BEFORE YOU DO HARM. THIS IS THE GREATEST REWARD, MORE THEN EVEN CAPS!
This feels like a Fallout-themed D&D campaign written by That Guy
That Dorito Stained dude, the kind that forces new kind of DND rules until it becomes inconvenient. The one that somehow thinks memes make good content until it turns out that it becomes outdated very soon.
Really does
I resent that
Almost 2 years ago, i made a dnd styled game for Fallout setting called, Fallout Demons of Seatle, even have two videos about it.
The funny thing is, when i made it, i took from Fallout mod for hoi4 the brotherhood, characters and some factions, as i wanted to do sort of reverse Fallout 1, where mutants are chill and brotherhood is evil.
I for all purposes made it rather comedic, but when it came to brotherhood, players were making it hillarious, despite my attempts at making it dark.
To this day, i will not forget how they planted second in command into the wall with 6 rockets from an rpg, how they single handedly destroyed Liberty Prime, how the same second in comand of the brotherhood without power armor, beat one of them up so hard, he turned into a vegetable, and how the most scientific guy who based his logic on science became and was atheist started worshiping zeus, and for some reason, zeus actualy helped him 3 times.
I wish Frontier was this batshit insane.
That's an insult to That Guy.
@@ThatGuy-bp1ll You RESEMBLE that
I actually know the guy that helped work on the infamous Deathclaw scene. He wrote tons of combat dialogue that somehow didn’t end up in the mod. Probably due to the actual devs being too horny to hurt the deathclaw
Can you tell me the lines that start the fight?
There was NO hint, of ANY of this in the trailers! That's the worst part. Let us never forget that. They lied to us on a level the likes of EA can only fantasize about at night.
@Babba Yaaga An astute point, yes. If anything a lot of people are making money off of them doing videos about this mess.
@Babba Yaaga well, they took mine, but I got my 15 bucks worth out of it.
It wasn't good, but I had a laugh at least.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 thats an expensive laugh tho
@@eagleclaws1781 na, 15 bucks was enough for the divine comedy this sh*show of a mod provided. I'm ok.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 I thought you didn't have to pay for mod unless you're talking about buying New Vegas in which there are 15 brilliant mods out you should install which is definitely worth your time and 15 dollers.
And for the fact that childish pickup line would get you laid in this game says a lot of who actually made that scene.
Tobe fair IRL they work...at bartime
@@jjcoola998 It sounds like they're drunk in a bar instead.
@@jjcoola998 tbh, if someone tried to sway me unironically with those lines I would die of cringe
@@feeler6670 u got a purdy mouth
I could feel the fedoras being tipped as the line was said
It would be more original if the "I have a wife at home and I'm a soldier" character didnt die
@Hello There So this is also a very famous trope in the west too. Interesting
@@CBRN-115 It really seems to just be a universal deathflag the more I hear it being used. Some things just trancends cultures I guess. Been curious for a long time about what other tropes are universal, stuff you can find in sotries and movies and media just about anywhere you go.
Woulda been funny if he was like ohe of the only survivors.
@@Rodoet001 "I have one week to retirement!"
I’m just imagine him getting more and more injured as the story progresses losing limbs but always surviving. At the end he’s just a brain placed in a robot body going home to marry his sweet heart. Then flash cut to 100 years latter and he’s still alive watching his grandkids pass away and trying to shoot himself just for the gun to repeatedly jam
That would been a good wild wasteland ending
This mod made ThuggySmurf's various quest mods look lore friendly! You know, the ones where you shoot pimps, build strip clubs, and time travel to shoot Hitler for recreation?
This entire mod is insane. You can tell that the people working on the gameplay features and new mechanics did a fucking great job and really cared. But then the writers come in by and fuck all of that shit up. I hope someone can come by this mod and repackage it so that we keep the new gameplay but get rid of the godawful story and kinks.
Actually the devs doubled as writers, while they have made a great gameplay mechanic implemented, they are no story writers. And like Hunt Down the Freeman, the devs even waved their "Kojima's Disciple" tag which was fucking cringe.
The gameplay isn't good as well tho. The entire G-mod horror section does not serve any narrative purpose, it's just a gameplay element, and it's bad
@@Sir_Bucket Actually, that section has more to do with story, since it's the writer that decided to have a horror section, not the programmer. The programmer's there to make it functionable , the writer is there to make it enjoyable.
@@anonymousapproximation8549 I don’t strictly agree with what you said to begin with but the writer and programmer in question was the same person as far as the NCR Campaign goes. Whilst I don’t know the lines where any one developer’s contribution ends and another begins, the person who wrote the NCR storyline used their contributions as a programmer as blackmail to have complete creative control over the NCR storyline.
@@teddybearpaladin I know that, but I was talking about horror sections in games in general. It's the writer that decides to add it as well as what purpose it serves, the programmer that makes it work, and the artist to make it actually scary. Obviously in this case the programmer _is_ the writer, so it's kind of self evident why the experience wasn't enjoyable, even if the programing were flawless.
“Give me control”
*yes man’s face pulls up*
That is the weirdest fucking coincidence I’ve ever seen
ig he got what he wanted lol
This and the “wiggling” broke me
"We decided to turn this into a degenerate fetish mod"
"But why? Why would you do that? Why would you do any of that?"
Why not?
@@OkSid300 cut to mod being called "the new Hunt Down the Freeman."
@@Mr.Mosquito89 you f'ed up my slave
"Because cheap dopamine."
Because there was a pedo as a lead writer
I know it doesn't make the rest of the mod less shit, but shooting a nuke (or just damaging it enough in general) actually IS a viable way of disarming it, as nukes are incredibly fine tuned machines, they're not nitroglycerin, it takes a very precisely timed set of events for one to go off, and if that can't happen, then it either goes off with significantly reduced yeild, or not at all
You don’t want a nuke to self-detonate, so there are a LOT of safety features in the warheads, set up so that failure locks the bomb out of detonation. So fucking those up could jam the system and stop the boom.
Yeah, but shooting a nuke POINT BLANK is still an incredibly stupid idea, since odds are it will still explode with enough force to kill people within a few meters.
yeah, unprimed nukes are built to survive accidental releases and even plane crashes (think of all the "broken arrow" incidents, including the one where Carl Brashear lost his leg), so when people say "Nukes are incredibly delicate" the majority often thinks of "if you handle it wrong then we have homemade Hiroshima feat. Chernobyl with a sprinkle of Three Mile Island"....except, since the reactions needed to make the nuke go boom are so precise, it's more like "If you handle it wrong we're left with a VERY expensive and naturally polluting paperweight"
@@DonPatronoNow I have a weird image of poorly-primed warhead did not set off properly and go off with a fart sound effect, thank you.
Nuclear warheads have regular explosives too. So even if shooting it wouldn't make it achieve fission, it would most certainly kill everyone is the room and cause a considerable amount of radiation to leak out
The enclave: "We're going to one place that has yet to be corrupted by communism, SPACE!"
Mars is red though!
@@Revanchist-PL It would be bloody hilarious and ludicrous if it's revealed in the next Fallout game (if there is one, hopefully one that's not in the same vein as 76) that China found it's way to Mars and colonized it.
@@Revanchist-PL i would've forgiven a lot for a Wacky Wasteland moment where you see the moon painted pink & Lenin's face carved into it
@@grantus_pax what
Laughs in Tim Curry 😇
“I’ve got a new idea for our mod! Deathclaw sex!”
“How does this add to the lore???”
“Lore?”
Ikr! The deathclaws don't even pass the Harkness Test! Ghouls on the other hand....
@@Ivynling Counterpoint: Intelligent Deathclaws from Fallout 2.
Granted even a Chosen One that has gone for the "I will sleep with everything in California" route, will still not bed any of the deathclaws.
@@AdmiralCreideiki Now we're talking!
Remember folks, all monsters need to pass the Harkness Test to be... Loved.
What's the Harkness Test, you ask? It's simple, if the monster can communicate clearly (and consent) and is an adult of its species, it's free game, otherwise is wrong.
@@Ivynling don't care, deathclaw dommy mommy, bite me.
@@doubleaabattery7562 your time is over mutie
That Benny impression actually made me want to die.
One of the worst I've ever heard.
ive heard better impressions in shitposts lmao
As a GMod map maker, I can confirm the dream sequence part is accurate
I like your pfp's big assets ;)
I can support this person's statement
@@cheng3580 I see you like freshly squeezed milk.
@@Yorkington I do like my milk freshly squeezed from the source herself. ;)
Aren't you a speedrunner?
The NCR soldiers say "Semper Fi"? That's an interesting writing choice. It's a choice that would be completely incompatible with the established story if, you know... The main bad guy of one of the previous games was a part of a faction that directly contrasted the NCR, and his last fucking words were "Semper Fi"...
I was about to put a comment exactly like this
Yeah.....It's funnier that NCR's founders were middle eastern too, which is why their uniforms are based off of middle eastern military uniforms in the 19th-20th century. So fucking dumb
@@TheMasterUnity I'm pretty sure Aradesh and Tandi were Native American, not Middle-Eastern though.
@@drivernephi2212 They are not native american, look up audio clips of Aradesh and it will be apparent
@@drivernephi2212 huh…I thought they were Indian.
Remember when we were kids and we would all play pretend together, and after an hour we ended up shooting space lazers at cowboy aliens with Drake and Josh? That's probably what happened with the writing. A bunch of people threw out tons of ideas, got too excited and started suggesting utter ridiculousness, and there were no directors or editors to tell everyone to chill. Note to others who make a mod like this: Just get actual writers to write the script
This is like that but everyone was super disgusting and horny at the Same time
All the fetish bullcrap says otherwise.
Hahaha pooop 😎
Metal Gear in a nutshell.
@@suclox12yearsago56 ugh I forgot about the fetish stuff when writing this. Whoever is responsible for that vile writing needs to go to therapy or jail
It's like a cult classic but with all the classic removed
4:23 Fun Fact: This is literally taken from a Bond movie (i dont remember the name). In this movie, James Bond wents to a space station and defeats a doctor who plans to gas the earth.
You mean "Moonraker"?
Take a giant step for mankind
Moonraker
Wasn't that also the planned plot for Van Buren?
Moonraker with Roger Moore. Classic
"This isn't regular cooking this is hachama cooking" make me understand all to much the horror ahead
Are we talking
Tarantula Ramen or Kangaroo Stew level of horror?
@@averagemumeienjoyer5498 Y E S
@@averagemumeienjoyer5498 how bout the spicy vomit ramen.
What is Hachama cooking? Or Hachama in general?
Lemme guess... Blazblue's Noel levels of bad?
This was a beautiful disaster from start to finish, I didn't want it to end!
Great job on the commentary and editing, really made the whole thing entertaining. It's a shame that this level of modding capability was put to service everything most people hate about AAA gaming nowadays. Wow.
A third time! A surprise, but a welcome one! How are you Indigo?
@@henrycrabs3497 Hanging in there, busy writing my longest script ever, you?
@@Indigo_Gaming GED stuff, but once that new video comes out you can bet that'll make time to watch it!
I got to voice in this project ages ago, and boy oh boy it was an interesting experience. Half the team were nice and great folks, the other half I didn't even know existed.
So a lot like real life
They called the enclave a power fantasy, yet the whatever the fuck their NCR Outcast faction is called has the biggest military base hundreds of vertibirds and thousands of soldiers, even though they were just 5 soldiers and one general while the NCR which has been going for almost 100 years can barley afford more then 5 vertibirds in their army.
Yup. The guy who made the ncr storyline wouldnt allow things to be changed apparently
@@ZyroShadowPony I feel that is a scapegoat given the recent interview they had on mike and Zach’s channel.
@@norsefirefighter true
You forgot the space-fighters.
Lore continuity? What’s that
Who’s laughing now?
- Some guy named Todd
Whos this todd guy?
He also mentioned he was in the chess club for some reason.
somerandomname Todd from the chess club is somewhere and he’s laughing at us! I hate that rando!
@@deepblume6611 It's actually Godd, you might be more familiar with that.
@@brunoactis1104 please preacher tell me more of this "Godd"
I didn't know Hunt Down The Freeman had a spiritual successor this year.
Half Life Cinematic mod.
- video game tropes and knockoffs
- "war is stupid" lesson
- attemps at being dramatic
- hidden political commentary
I mean, at least this one has decent gameplay
@@heretic_engineer391 You're gonna have to elaborate the shit out of this one, buddy.
Ironically a JoJo VA has done work in both mods
There’s no way they’d make like 9 notes and typo “garvey” as “gravey” each time so it was intentional which I think makes it infinitely funnier.
7:10
"Isn't just awful...it's AGGRESSIVELY horny."
*rolling on the floor, laughing helplessly*
EDIT: Timestamp
@Joseph Field ilabi
same
And they said that Bethesda had poor writing.
At least Bethesda's writing isn't fetishistic and gross. I can give bethesda that much
@@VonSnuggles1412 we forgetting the argonian maid
@@The_Guy_Who_asked... I mean thats just a book you can find which is erotica fiction but these lads put it where you can manipulate a girl into being a slave
@@GunslingerRose also forgetting the lasso? i think? there's a bar in nv where you can fuck a ghoul, robot, and a sexy cowboy. among many other sexual references throughout fallout games. i'm not defending the frontier at all, aside from its amazing technical prowess like somehow managing to get proper vehicle physics into fallout which was thought to forever be impossible, but anyway yeah. just cuz a mod has some lewd references in it, doesn't make it a fetish mod lol. peeps being majorly hypocritical trying to pretend they're pure little angels. of course, most of the lewd references in this mod are fucked and done in a fucked way. but i think peeps are mostly just trying to find extra stuff to hate either because hating the mod is the cool thing to do, or they just hate furry or scalie or feet or whatever other thing and are using it as an excuse to try to get other people to hate it as much as they do and fight some invisible battle to remove things they don't like from the world. lol. social politics.
Oh NOW Bethesda's suddenly given credit for New Vegas?
So you're telling me:
The super badass military OC that saves The Courier, THE FUCKING COURIER, Dies, but comes back later as a shape shifting ghost wolf.
THIS IS PEAK
DEVIANTART
Holy shit, this comment alone makes me want to stop playing this mod.
As bad as that is, it could be worse. At least that particular example of OC cringe isn't covered in one of the developer's list of fetishes...unlike another character in the mod.
@@electricbayonet2 you never know if it's a fetish or not with this mod
@@pieniadz9156 Fallout: The Fetish Frontier
@@ParanoidAlaskan Fallout : the moral frontier
I think the deathclaw scene could work if they made the sex option a wild wasteland encounter and made everything else a way to disable, kill, or force to take a certain amount of damage by the death claw
For example, if you have 9 or 10 endurance and have wild wasteland, the courier challenges it and the deathclaw either passes out or dies on the spot
I mean if you can challenge one of the main antagonists to a game of caravan to the death, then this should be easy to implement
Wasn't it already a Wild Wasteland encounter?
Deathclaw seggs
@@Hello-lf1xs Not originally. They pulled a "oops that was supposed to be wild wasteland!!!" and put it under WW after getting significant pushback. Which is either true and they must have done zero playtesting or (more likely) false and they had a rare moment of self-awareness.