The Frontier's Fallout
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2021
- Well this is not the sort of video I thought I'd make. I though I was pretty much done after finishing my second stream and the video, but after having people come to me to tell me about the mod I ended up with so much information about it. I appreciate all who spoke to me or provided information, and even if I may disagree with you or dislike your work, I take far more issue with those who get angry over things that do not exist. Everyone I spoke to in voice were lovely to talk to and after initial unease generally ended in a very friendly manner.
The mod was sadly plagued by many issues that just a few alone meant it was unlikely ever to take the seat of the grandest Fallout: New Vegas mod, the swan song of the modding community. Combined together, they created the hell storm witnessed. I do have respect for those who are decided to continue on the mod, whether they will stick with it or not will be seen but I personally would absolutely be gone at this point.
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The mod was rigged from the start.
AHAHHA I HAVE FOUND YOUR SECOND COMMENT. FEAR ME STARCAT FEARR MEEEEEEE
enclave was rigged to win from the start
Yep XD
Ur God damn right
SNEED
Seven years to make the mod, 7 seconds to kill it.
Any% Mod Speedrun
More like fourteen days, but the joke would not be the same.
Rome wasn't built in a day, but it was burned in a day.
Starcat very poetic
@@GlareanLiebertine No it wasn't. It took literal centuries for Rome to fall.
"Oh shit, this isn't Wild Wasteland." Chris Hansen: "Please have a seat."
"i didnt know we skipped all the dialogue" Chris Hansen, "we have detailed files that confirms you didnt"
Fck Chris Hansen
@@lucianshadowmane You're free to get up and leave.
Em... Chris Hansen today is a pro-doxxing, lying, harassing, tax evading has-been.
He isn't the guy you remember from TCAP 18 years ago. He's a pretty shitty person now.
@@xlixity You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
[Speech 100] "It's just a joke bro."
[Failed]
[Intelligence 1/2] We didn't know he drew stuff like that bro
[Wild wasteland] oops that was supposed to be locked behind wild wasteland.
Purple s gang
[FAILED] stfu bro
I feel sorry for all the guys and galls who went into the project with good intentions :/
The mod was pretty good besides the weird crap that one guy made. I wouldn’t let a TH-camr sway my perspective of a mod since they probably just play NV for the main quest and don’t touch it for a good 3-5 years.
It’s quite unfortunate, but they shot themselves in the foot multiple times. Hopefully those that had nothing to do with the “questionable” content will find work in the future.
R.I.P Frontier
Rebelzize just please promise me, no pedo shit
Let’s hope skyblivion don’t fail
Here is the issue with this drama. The rest of the dev's can play stupid to it all they want, but there is no way in fucking hell that they didn't know. It honestly would not surprise me if they were all...like the one that got removed. At least a small group of the dev team. He is just the one they are scapegoating, mark my words.
Seven year passion project died in three days.
Sneedclave strikes again
this is the problem with trust, it takes years to achieve in addition to sweat and tears, but a few seconds to lose it forever.
D a d d y
L o l i
God bless the Enclave.
And god bless you, loli.
I wished I had downloaded the original frontier because I want to see how bad the America lines were I hope someone puts it up somewhere the way I can download it and play it
New California showed how to make a speech check a bad thing before leaving the vault. You use a charisma check, mouth off to the head of vault security, and are then assigned the role of janitor instead of getting a security position
Wait, that’s why that happened lmao, I played that mod years ago, never realized
New Vegas already did it perfectly in Dead Money with Dean Domino.
@@cookieface80 yeah, you past a speech chech and he will murder you at the finale
@Heavy Metal Collector it's funny how people say modders do better than the original creators of the game. I don't think that any more.
@@DirtyGeorge check out "Boom to the moon", Someguy2000's mods (Bounties 1-3, Inheritance, etc.), Autumn Leaves and any other quest mod that is still loved by the Fallout fans even after all this time. These mods are as good or even better than the original game.
And yes, Someguy's writing is pretty cheesy sometimes, but he never failed to get his message across, his stories are pretty lore friendly, and most importantly they are entertaining.
"Courier! Get over here and smell my feet, ON THE DOUBLE!!" -nameless NCR drill sergeant
lmao
*bed scene with "los dos laredos" in the background*
Clean my boots, soldier. No, not like that- with your tongue. That's an order!
Sylveon is better.
@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 I feel sick now.
The Ending to this mod should be the Courier waking up at Doc Mitchell's.
I like to think the mod ends with the Courier waking up in a dumpster after a three-day drug bender.
Or at the spot where they recruit you from
😆😆😆
"Hey, you! You're finally awake!"
@@visionaeon ok maybe being forced into playing that isn’t the best of ideas
"I want to play the villain."
"I want to wear sunglasses at all times."
Ray Chase is a beautiful man.
As rimmy said, absolute chad
@@darkpixel1128 I'm sure you already know, but I want to spell this out for the audience anyway: You can tell whether or not someone is actually a good person based on how willing they are to play the role of a villain.
You see so many cases of this with celebrities that absolutely insist on playing the hero all throughout their careers while being absolute scumbag-egotists in reality and the reverse in which people like Christopher Lee and Bill Skarsgard play heinous villains in media but are actually humble and compassionate people offscreen.
Arrogant individuals need people to believe they're good, while good men know themselves well enough that they don't need to convince anyone.
In this case, Ray Chase worked pro bono for a bunch of literal-whos on a passion project that might never have even seen the light of day for a game over a decade old, and his only request was that they give his character sunglasses. He could have stolen the spotlight all for himself like other celebrities getting involved in projects, he could have asked for half the development budget to pay for his credentials. No one could really fault him if he did. If.
Ray Chase is one of the good ones, I think.
I literally out loud said “Chad” when I heard that part
What a chad
Noctus Man deserves an award.
voice actor team: "Don't tell me you are going to wear those sunglasses during the whole game."
Ray Chase: "My vision is augmented."
What a shame.
You talking to me?
Ray Chase trolled the devs so much lol
He played them Kojimbo Disciples like a damn fiddle
Why are you locked in the bathroom?
@@hawttub_2265 You talking to me?
This is why structure and hierarchy is important in any project.
There was a hierarchy it was that one guy at the top
Unless you are Valve, but Valve is a competent game Studio who know what they are doing (Mostly), so they get a pass
@@casualtaco2154 Yeah uhh, they're moving away from that model.
exactly right. without a clear command structure it isn't clear.
Sneed
"It just works," has evolved into "It's just Wild Wasteland."
Everyone keep coming up with Todd Howardisms.
"You see that Enclave Recruiter over there? You can JOIN his faction."
"OOPS! All Wild Wasteland!" The mod, the game, the movie
"I said 'I wanna mod fallout games,' and everyone was like 'Yeah right go back to the fetish mods tab,' haha.... yes I was in the fetish mods tab."
@@GenMaj_Knight but like seriously, they had everything from feet to fucking deathclaws and dogs
GASP
You think it could be a lie?
Serious rimmy is terrifying
Even here?
@Totally not the flash :3 correct
Maybe the only comment of yours that i ever liked
If you've watched some of the SCP ArmA ops you'd know that even the sound if his serious voice is terrifying.
He’s also very quiet
So, in short:
These developers will blame anything but themselves for their own mistakes.
Pretty much man, this is why we can’t have nice things on the internet
yep
@@paytonic1742 Not 'just' on the internet. Irl too.
@@eightypie9528 amen
@@eightypie9528
RIP
>"We never meant to make a DLC, it's just a mod pack bro"
>"Courier's magnum opus"
Yeah I don't trust these people
"we never meant to make a DLC"
>had a literal Steam page listing
@@ERRandDEL To be fair, the Skyrim Script Extender has a steam page, and it's not and never was intended as DLC.
@@flotappl Well the Skyrim Script extender is not a good comprises because unless you use mods it's not really something to be noticed. But this is a different ball game.
The story's dim-bulb nature from the very beginning is what stuns me. Remove whatever passed for depth in _New Vegas,_ which depended on portraying the NCR as a flawed democracy. Replace it with a 14-year-old's idea of a military tough guy. Prevent the player from killing most NPCs... then they die anyway.
@@MegaZeta the NCR's flaws come from their incompetence they're the people trying to restructure things while being pushed on the back foot by history nerds cause they can't manage shit
"People hate the lore-breaking and convoluted nature of the NCR questline, how do you respond?"
"Oh, shoot, the NCR were supposed to be tagged as Wild Wasteland, yeah..."
A entire faction was meant to be wild wasteland? Fuckin bs
@@zeus28frenzy He's joking. Several of the controversial moments in the game are described by the mods as being bugged Wild Wasteland content, but not anything major like the NCR questline.
@@zeus28frenzy The fact that you took that serious shows how far this brain dead fan base has become. You people took .1% of a mod that was admittedly shit and amplified it to 90% of the coverage and destroyed it. We’ll be lucky to have any future patches that fix this.
@@kylevernon and this is why people are glad this mod failed cause you assumed. Assumption is what makes you fail. Pathetic
@@zeus28frenzy did you just assume this guy meant something else?
Poor Rimmy sounds so tired, I just want to hand him a coffee
🤔👍☕☕☕☕🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🤫🤫🤫
I think this is just how he sounds like when he's serious and not partying it up on any game.
He sounds depressed, I hope he is ok.
Sleep is better
yeah. Hope he has a long relaxing weekend with a lot of sleep
Just a word of advice to you writers out there. If you have to clarify the age of a potential sexual partner, and if you have to clarify that someone is not a SEX SLAVE, then you’re not doing something right.
@@bruh-ux1ns it’s the dialogue I’m really referring to here. I’ve heard conversations America has with other NPCs. It’s bad. She’s profiled as a childlike character if not a child outright. Again, If you have to clarify the legal age of a partner then there’s something inherently flawed with what you’re doing UNLESS you’re doing a piece that is either satire or is trying to make a point about paedophelia.
@@songbird6414 I don't buy the excuses from the dev team, she was definitely made in mind as a minor.
@@LS-jv9hp It's the apocalypse, pederasty isn't the end of the world lol
Do you get offended when there's a dead body in a video game? Do you get offended when there's gunfire and weapons in vidya? America isn't a real girl
@@cpi3267 Even just ignoring ages, don't you think it's weird they'd have a s3x-slave fetish partner WHO CLEARLY ISN'T INTO IT, in this game?
@@cpi3267 cringe
Damn imagine being a project lead and not taking any responsibility
"you don't understand bro the whole mod was supposed to be wild wasteland"
Cool just like real life
So what project leads usually do when they fuck up lol
Sounds like he should have been technical lead not project lead; since a project lead should be paying at least some attention to plot, characters, and dialogue, and not just chasing down bugs and ignoring everything else.
@@jic1 Definitely. I don't get how people were apparently saying he was a good lead, or good to work with. Maybe they felt he was good to work with due to how unobtrusive he was? But he just wasn't doing what he was supposed to, as a project lead.
Honestly it’s a shame this mod ended up like this. The technical side is actually pretty amazing with the working vehicles.
*Nice story vor The internet Historian*
The vehicle part surprised me in many ways for one If it was in the main game imagine the time I could have saved venturing the Mojave and 2 drivable salvaged tanks or even small aircrafts the endgame would be legendary blowing up death-claws and all your enemies with HE shells and ordinances just magical.
Yeah, the mechanics added in the ncr quest are fantastic. Wish the guy who did the ncr quest line would cut those mechanics into separate mods, but I doubt they would.
Doesnt mean it cant be fixed, look at cyberpunk I'd happily put money on that game exploding again, R6 style
Fortunately this is what is said on every video I have seen. I think the people who did the awesome technical stuff aren't sullied so much personally. The ire is directly purely at the people who deserve it.
Someone should have told devilswish that Fallout players care a surprisingly large amount about the plot. Especially when you're making a mod for one of the most plot/character driven RPGs made since 2000.
yep he didnt just make a mistake how he treated fans with criscm was unacceaptable i dont know if its brought up but when asked why the enclave wernt playable he said "because there fascists and only trump supporters looking for a power fantasy want to play as them" WTF
@@wilmagregg3131 Probably his personal ,political opinon just to spite people but not the real reason.
Consider that this mod was being made for 7 years ,they probably wouldn't be able to do more campaigns
Honestly that's the thing that kills me out of all of this. It's a game that's primed to having a major focus on the story and narrative, the big shining star even people that don't care for it will put on the game. And they decided to take the modern shooter approach of making the mission setpieces speak for them moreso. Like come on here. And the worst part is, taking a few keys from lore would have made things probably a little better. Key one being that Operation Sunburst memory, where instead of that dumb 'shoot the wounded' they could have followed Oliver's actual plan of human waves. Still shitty, still incompetent, doesn't involve stupid twirling of mustaches and needing so much 'hey these guys are so goddamn fucked' in the intro.
@@XMitrilXPL all he had to say was that the enclave is a dead faction that doesn’t fit in the timeera. That’s it. I hate the enclave cause we beat them already and not in 3 I mean in 2 and they’re the dogmatic relic of the flawed in world past. Let them fucking lie.
@@Eshanas Bethesda: "B-but mah kewl armah!!" but yeah re-using Super mutants, BoS and Enclave over and over is like serving a turd that was shit out by the earlier customer who ate the same turd from an even earlier customer.
Even a year later, Frontier is still such a fascinating mess. That Zu guy gets blamed hard for being a sicko but honestly, paying attention at all reveals that every single member of this dev team is a strange, shocking mixture of incompetent and creepy. The deathclaw scene, the lizard/snake people, America, Mae, having sex on a sleeping bag in a public meeting space, the prostitutes' dialogue...this entire mod is just a showcase of technical expertise, horrible writing, and laughably awful shoehorned-in fetish fuel. And then ALL the devs turned on each other.
What a glorious trainwreck.
The thing that has always blown my mind is that whole "playing as the Enclave is such a stupid fascist power fantasy" from TGSpy and some other frontier dev (not sure who, the one who added "fascist" in that smug tone). Like yeah, of course people want to act as the bad guys sometimes. 40k is massive. The fact that this concept was so alien to them really says a lot
while everything else i can agree is fucked i am sorry you can legit get fucked by a god damn robot in NV yet no one got pissy so imo the deathclaw shit isnt out there
@@TheMightofDab
And doesn't the mod let you play as the legion?
I'm not sure they're any better than the Enclave
@@Alexander59059 Yeah, the mod team are a perfect example of virtue signallers. They don't know what they're talking about, or they don't care about the issues being raised. They just want to look morally righteous.
@@Alexander59059 Legion makes the Enclave look like the Followers of The Apocalypse
they originally used Zu as the scapegoat now they're using this other guy, this is so obvious lmao
Why can't they take some responsibility instead of getting a scape goat
@@rowengarcia3852 because some people just refuse to recognize their failures
Every word these weasels say just sounds so dishonest.
@@Calvin_Coolage Like true politicians.
@@eightypie9528 at least politicians are actually believable
The Yogscast now has their own investigative reporter. I’m fucking impressed by Rimmy’s professionalism.
He's in the yogcast?
Fuck, I want to see him do this for turps and sjin now
what a blast from the past
@@chaserseven2886 yep if you watch his old stuff he mentions joining it
@@Bilbo-qq6ei what happened?
Whenever I hear Rimmy being serious I feel like he's reporting the end of the world
I'd say this definitely feels like the end of the world for the modders who have been working on this for years. Rimmy might just feel sorry for those people in particular.
In this case, the end of Portland Oregon
He could read the news reporter lines from Fallout 4 and it would fit perfectly
It tends to make me acknowledge that the subject is not sugar coated
Rimmy loves standing on his soap box being combative and doing his “investigative journalism” about a stupid line. This fucker took .1% of this mod which was admittedly pretty shit and then amplified it to 90% of the coverage. TH-camrs need their annual “internet mob justice hate bandwagon” and this unfortunately killed this mod.
The fetish stuff looks like it was written by Dan Schneider
Underrated
wish h would bring all my bitches back
Nah america is too old for him
Xilandro: "If he says something sketchy in a reply, imma ban him immediately"
Rikku: **replies honestly, not sketchy at all**
Xilandro: *BAN*
That's kinda pathetic. I get that they're stressed, but that shit is childish. They're genuine concerns, *_even if_* Rikku was "trolly" about it.
having discord mod powers is the smallest amount of power that can go to one's head.
...and it always goes to their heads.
@@SpaceMissile lincoln was right to test character give power
@@SpaceMissile yep dictator syndrome
What they meant by "sketchy" is "if he dares to leave another message". Discord mod moment
Everyone praises Xilandro but he almost worked himself to death two times for Frontier so he is the most reactive to anything negative to the Frontier. Yeah he might have gone through that but taking the stress out on other people is just pure bitterness.
Everything bad was supposed to be Wild Wasteland. Also, someone else did it.
That seems completely believable and fair. Glad that one other guy who changed parts he wasn't even part of that required at least 2 people to do got removed.
Then why didn't they just make the entire mod goofy from the start like Borderlands then?
I mean even if wild wasteland . The choices of dialog for the deathclaw would still be just cringe
@@meat1590 it is also fair to expect a team LEAD to know what the fuck is going on in the project?
And maybe do a single google search on the guys you pick up?
There Is No Wild Wasteland Tag In Ba Sing Se
“You’ve been accused of murder.”
Ah damn dude that was supposed to have been tagged as Wild Wasteland
Good person, are you able to explain what wild wasteland is?
Wild Wasteland is a trait you can pick at the start of New Vegas which changes some events and outcomes to have more silly tones. For a base game example, outside of goodsprings on the side of the road to Primm, you will find a skeleton with a certain hat inside a fridge which is a reference to Indiana Jones, stuff like that.
@@hyperactiveturtle78a trait that makes the wasteland a Bit more wacky
@@hyperactiveturtle78 if you play fallouts 1 and 2 while in fallout 1 the game has some pop culture references 2 went WAY overboard on the reference. Monty python, star treck and things of that nature. It was all over and a lot of people including devs had a problem with it. In NV they decided the wacky and silly references would be hidden behind this trait. Some silly things are cyber dogs playing poker, a skeleton in a fridge as a Indiana Jones reference, a Monty python reference, ROES. Most of those things are in the game but replace to not be so waky without the trair.
Spot on. I love how almost everything remotely questionable is supposedly fine because it was supposed to be Wild Wasteland.
1. Barely legal sex slave? Totally fine with Wild Wasteland.
2. Actual underage girl joking about taking her virginity and talking about doing drugs and having sex? Totally fine with Wild Wasteland.
3. Putting a condom in a truck for literally no reason? Totally fine with Wild Wasteland.
4. Sex with a Deathclaw? Totally fine with Wild Wasteland. A note about that, the creepiest thing about the Deathclaw encounter IMO is the dialogue box you get when you first come across it. This is exactly what was written. "The creature before you languidly lashes it's... Her? Tongue in the air, tasting your scent. The Deathclaw's wandering eyes convey all you need to know. You are looking at an entity of pure lust." Also, one of the responses is, "I'm a sick f***, I like a quick f***." Sorry, but that was never written with the intention of being funny, wacky, goofy, whatever. That's someone's weird ass fetish.
5. Sex with a weird, lizard and snake-like creature with wings? Totally fine with Wild Wasteland. Thing is, this one actually had the potential to be funny. Having these weird looking things be addicted to chems was funny IMO. Then it went too far with the option to have sex with Juno and having the breeder there.
So... this is Fallout's version of Hunt Down The Freeman
Unfortunately, yes.
Except more horny. But other then that, yeah
You f'ed up my mod
@@dragonheart1236 Hunt Down To Fuck
Similar in quality I would say, but the frontier is at least free.
All you have to say is "One person is in control of the writing and they won't take criticism" to know that something is gonna go wrong.
It's the same problem that the dialogue of the Star Wars prequels had
“Ah shit we released the wrong mod, this was meant to be the wild wasteland version”
inb4 Hunt Down The Frontier
@@TheAkrillion You Fukt Up My Face
@@puripuri3876 michelle pls, i can exp-lain!
where were you when frontier dies
"frontier is kill"
"ok"
"God bless the sneedclave!"
@@incelliousthewizard7883 " im gonna pay you 5 bucks to never make a mod again" were the the words attached to a 5 dollar superchat in a damage control stream by the director of the mod
i was at home eating smegma butter
Wow dude very original bro. Hahahaha very funny as well can you say it again?
@@insanecumposse GOD BLESS THE SNEEDCLAVE (formerly chuck's)
So either
A) They didn't notice they were working with someone who draws loli in his spare time and shares it in public, that person then put a bunch of questionable, fully-voice-acted content in the game without them noticing, and they never picked up on it while play--testing, or
B) They knew about all this and just decided to throw the loli artist under the bus when there was backlash to intentional design choices, expecting people not to question it because, y'know, loli artist
I'm not sure which of those I find less reassuring.
I think it was somewhat a mix between the 2. That they didn’t notice what he did, but then threw him under the bus.
this almost feels like a reference to arcade commenting on the legion spy you meet in Vegas
Was he just a loli artist or was he found to actually be messing with real life kiddy stuff? This is the first time I’ve heard this info, from the way it’s been phrased I thought he’s been like messaging underage kids and stuff. Neither is good but one of those is leagues more dangerous and worse in my book.
@@rottytherottski522 From what I can find, it's "animated paedophillic" material. The two stories I've heard are: it's loli content, or it's as stated in the first sentence- paedophillic. I don't know which, and I'd rather not find out.
I don't know, or at least I'm unaware of, any dealings with children in real life.
@@rottytherottski522 i found loli shit to be stupid like its not hurting anybody so why does people need to go in a crusade against them while they dont care and dont do anything about the real children
Just gotta say, if this is The Big Dick, 7-years-in-the-making, serious and lore-friendly mod that it was always advertised to be, why is it full of so many offhanded jokes that a strangely low number of people even get?
Really makes you wonder.
@@bruh-ux1ns or, hear me out, they're liars
@@bruh-ux1ns No need for attitude, the man’s just sharing his opinion
It's like they were trying to do the dark humor and sardonic atmosphere of Fallout 2, but with significantly less wit and subtlety. To the point where you can't really tell what's supposed to be a dark joke from a dead-serious situation.
Writing isn't as easy as it looks, guys. If y'all are making a story-driven mod, hire a pro or learn more about storytelling. Because it's really, *really* not as easy as it looks.
@@wojak-sensei6424 And dont even THINK about going for grimdark if you can't even write a good cliche by the numbers story
Dont. Just. Put the pen down. Practice more first.
"Lore friendly mod"
Also the mod: Archimedes 2 space station with a Nazi doctor, sex snakes, the Legion being progressive, dream sequences straight out of Phantom Pain, the Courier "going through the land of the dead as they're dying", a Marvel hovercraft for the NCR, the NCR having an agent openly named Tiberius Rancor, and more.
"This clearly underage girl? Uh... she's definitely over 18" *quickly creates a convenient birthday card*
Ah don't worry that she looks sounds and acts like an underage because ACksHually she's a 12,000 year old undead dragon goddess
@@dylanmilne6683 anime excuses for sexualizing minors always get me rolling
Just as a point of fact: The birthday card was in her inventory before the controversy started.
"We also totally intended for her to always be at least 18 from the start. Yep. Take our word for it."
@@independentomega2701 And it's obviously there because she sounds like she's 15/16
Zu is literally a scapegoat. All the worst crap in the mod was made by other team members who chose to oust him to cover their own backs.
@@SupremeNEET tbf from what I've heared it is actually as bad as it sounds. I haven't seen it for myself.
@@SupremeNEET same most of the mlp art that i was able to fine was either just sfw fan art or shitpost/memes
As the fallout miami dev put, cutting the guy out doesn't cover the fact the rest of the devs were complicit in this stuff, and yeah, a lot of the more dubious writing wasn't even his.
No
@@SupremeNEET Fallout never touched Owning a sex slave Of a barely legal girl Who talks about her smelly feet
“It was wild wasteland, your honour”
It's very apparent they're using Wild Wasteland as a cover just as much as they're using zu as a scapegoat.
If I had to guess, one of the things Spy mentions WAS actually meant to be Wild Wasteland (I'd put my money on the Deathclaw scene personally, since it does seem more self-aware than the others) and they realized it wasn't tagged correctly, then realized it's a perfect excuse for a bunch of these poor and uncomfortable decisions. Like c'mon, at some point you gotta come up with a better lie.
I was the - former - lead music guy for the mod, I quit about 6 months before realese after having no real direction from the lead dev, other than "make fallout sounding music". Requested a copy of the script for mood/pacing purposes, which is par for the course when working on professional film/video game composition and got nothing (I can see why they didn't give it to me now lmao). The devs were clearly computer/fallout nerds with great technical understanding of programming, but they had no clue how to write and didn't want to get actual writers on the team. The only person who ever contacted me or the other composer about the music for the mod and seemed at least somewhat concerned with it was tgypsy.
“Make Fallout-sounding music”
Please tell me you’re joking
@@ReverendReverb Legit what they said, I worked on like 50's big band covers and smaller scale jazz stuff briefly for it until I quit. The other music guy, a mate of mine, was working on more bluegrass style stuff- all originally meant to be played on the radio stations. I don't even think radio stations were in the mod in the end.
@@gregoryborton6598 Man, it would be sick to sit down and discuss that sort of thing. Writers are underappreciated in this day and age, it seems.
@@gregoryborton6598 a nice gypsy jazz track would’ve been really nice
Proof
Fallout: The Frontier
Brought to you by: The weird kid’s table from your old high school
Too accurate.
Please delete.
Hear it in that one dudes voice lol
Bunch of nerds arguing how they want the game to be. Someone should have choked them all out and established one way to do it.
Man I sat at that table and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with this.
@@zxt5148 same dude
I love how they’re trying to pin all of this on the *designated pedophile.*
They're all bad, not just him.
designated... because he draws my little pony art. Seriously, fuck these devs.
the dude just draws weird MLP porn, lol, these devs just want to shift the blame
Zu is quite obviously a scapegoat of some sort.
@@shadysam7161 That’s the point, they totally knew. They kept him around because they knew they would catch shit for the inappropriate content and they needed someone to pin it on.
Every time the devs answer I want to press x to doubt
Oh found you here too.
You’re all over these videos
"It was meant to be wild wasteland" is starting to sound like the fallout version of "it was just a prank bro"
Unleash the memes!
Papi the harpy is best girl
it sounds like "it just works"
Always was.
“Sorry Lucius, Me killing Caesar with the auto-doc was meant to be Wild Wasteland.”
The Voice actor that leaked information didn't leak anything, the voice actor in question was a youtuber named TKS-Mantis, he had issues with the mods lizard people and voiced his opinion of it, but some of the devs didn't like him talking shit about their project, so they labeled him as a leaker, the information TKS "leaked" was information from The Frontiers own website.
Yeah this, that tgspy interview he blames tks mantis and the interviewer refused to answer his question unless he donated
He was technically a voice actor that got scrapped after the fact, no?
@@newguy8288 yes, he did VA work for the devs of The Frontier and at some point in the VA process TKS got sick and couldn't do much VA, plus the devs didn't like his voice, saying, its too monetone, your reading your lines wrong, etc.
Give this man a pin. Notable is TKS's vid on the situation as well, where he points out the VNN interview and how the dev was claiming he was leading raids like he had any control of /v/.
@@d3athscythe575 I’ve heard as much, yeah. Deliberately I’m not gonna criticize them for not picking him, for they have every right to do so, but the misinformation is the bad thing.
Awfully convenient how much of this mod was “meant to be wild wasteland” but didn’t get tagged appropriately.
Also, don’t buy that America’s lines weren’t implied as sexual. Come on.
Ya a lot of things could be taken as sexual when it’s not and a lot of things could be very sexual but aren’t seen as sexual....it’s all about word choice
@@dulizardglasses3170 That and tone of voice.
Honestly, I can buy the wild wasteland stuff. It's such a consistent issue, and let me tell you. Seemingly simple shit is ALWAYS complicated in modding, especially with an ancient engine.
Heh... wow idk why but your profile pic gave me a lot of memories. Isn't that an emoji from kik? I used that one a lot lol
Anyone who claims that America's lines weren't sexual misses a major inconsistency with that argument.
High-poly feet models for America and America alone.
I love how one of the tags for this vid is just “clusterfuck”
Honestly I feel for TKMantis. The guy only said some light criticism about how those lizard people just don't fit in Fallouts lore and the dev team immediately jumped down his throat and banned him from the discord. I also agree that they don't make sense lore wise as its just
" yeah were lizard people. Thats it. We also like human sex." It just felt lazy and fetishistic.
Sadly I was a part of the people that just thought that TK mantis was salty about not being a VA
And to think he tried to warn us all
Oh it is man it is
Sadly, even the technical wizards on the team, like Xilandro jumped on the witchhunt for Mantis. Which shows that the issue of the mod isn't just a few bad apples in the story department.
@@BoroMirraCz from the screenshot of xilandro and rikku in this video it seems like xilandro is pretty quick to get into that kind of mentality. Idk if it's indicative of the whole team but
I still want to play the original build.... fk i should of downloaded it when i saw it up, but i guess now its to late.....
There is no fk stuff other than the lizard squad, ingame right?? If I search for an original build of frontier, will I have to worry about getting put on a registry??
Rimmy: *is dissapointed with mod*
Also Rimmy: *puts on 1930's journalist hat and trenchcoat*
"It was raining outside, real heavy like. I was water skiing in my office when suddenly *She* came in."
@@justiceforjoggers2897 noire story? Nice
The fact you can also trick Charlene (another young asian girl) into putting on a shock collar is kinda sus. I'm willing to bet odin or another modder wrote their fetish into the mod, was self aware this shit may backlash and had zu touch it a bit and left him as a scapegoat. I dont really mind the sex with a deathclaw stuff since you can have sex with a supermutant and hunt for porn mags for a ghoul in FO2 just wished they handled it better.
"Meant to be Wild Wasteland."
"The song was overused so we deleted the song from the entire mod."
"America was never underaged."
"It was just a joke."
"I don't think it was intended to be sexual."
"A random artist who provided some advice one time and just so happens to already be revealed to be a pedophile did all of bad stuff."
"She was just a parody."
"Tg had no idea what was going on in the team."
"It was never meant to be lore friendly."
"A third of the mod IS lore friendly, though!"
I'll take Things That I Definitely Don't Fucking Believe for 300, Alex. Sorry, Rimmy, but a lot of these claims have nothing to back them up except dev claims. And what did have evidence was extremely shaky at best.
America was very obviously meant to be underaged. She looks, sounds, and acts underage.
The only thing that's weird to me is the Enclave stuff. Yeah, it's a weird encounter, but the fascist line is mostly right? They were literally made to exaggerate the use of actual real fascists in the US in the 1950s and 60s? The most egregious thing in that line is calling them a paramilitary when they are more in line with a rouge state.
EDIT: I was not aware of the dev's comments about the legion, another pseudo-fascist group in Fallout. Yeah that's just hypocritical.
Fucking this. Golden fucking comment. Summarizes almost every other opinion in the comment section perfectly.
Everyone seems to be in agreement on this except Rimmy who very obviously enjoyed talking to these people, they sounded friendly enough, and thus chose to take their word at face value. But that's all we have, their word, which directly contradicts everything we see in the mod itself.
The description of the Enclave as "a fascist paramilitary organization" is a literal quote from the character Arcade Gannon in the base game, it's pretty obviously meant as a reference to him.
@@asteroidrules Yeah a lot of things about this mod are apparently meant as jokes or references. Problem is, none of it is properly executed.
For example, that shit makes sense for Arcade to say. He actually grew up in the Enclave as a gay man.
@@GeorgePerakis Yeah, so much of it feels like in-jokes that just don't hit home on a broader audience. Like having a speech check where a success is bad, that seems funny in concept and would maybe make a decent joke on its own, but just throwing it into a mod where it pops up out of nowhere (not to mention as part of an absolutely cringeworthy dialogue exchange) it doesn't work. Same goes for the weird deathclaw fetishism as that appears to have been a reference to the non-canon Fallout games, but the majority of people wouldn't know that.
What thing about the legion?
DevilsWish seems to be a control freak who pretty much doomed the mod from the start
So, what you're saying is...
*The game was rigged from the start*
@@WolfyFancyLads 🥁 *badum tschuss*
@@WolfyFancyLads *You're awake, how about that.*
@@gamer65688 [the level cap has been increased by 5 levels]
@@defaultthedude *Take it easy now, it ain't a race.*
I still thinks there’s way too much in the mod’s story. Fallout can be a Horror, Sci-fi, Comedy, Parody, Drama, Action Adventure game, but not all at once. The entire Space Questline goes from horror to action to sci-fi to horror again to parody and then back to drama. In base Fallout, each quest sticks to a single theme, a horror questline stays as a horror questline, a dramatic questline stays a dramatic questline. It’s the player choice in what path they want to take the Story in, and yet Frontier is way to linear to actually allow player choice.
Not to mention Wild Wasteland is misused completely by Frontier, in base NV it’s just little references, some neat items and maybe a character. In Frontier they use it almost every single chance they get, and it’s always a weird reference that most of the time feels like a Borderlands style pop culture reference. There’s even lines that aren’t even Wild Wasteland but are still an option (The Force line in the space quest).
The visual style is also just waaaaaay off in so many places.
Yes, I agree that it tried to to be too many things. This view might be controversial, but they should have just focused all the teams effort on the linear NCR campaign and stuck with the war simulation theme. It was clearly the focus of their vision.
They also showed a clear lack of understanding for tone. Tbh, all the controversy in the writing is to execution. We had slavery of minors in Fallout 3 and 4. We had wacky sci fi stuff in Mothership Zeta or Old World Blues. Hell, the theme of the Cook Cook storyline and the two slavers in Westside was more disturbing a theme than any theme in the Frontier.
The difference is in the way these themes are portrayed. New Vegas in particular always kept a respectful distance between your actions and those gruesome themes. You could never help Cook Cook. You could only bring him to justice.
The Frontiers immature writing clearly showed a lack of experience and understanding how incorporate dark themes without being disrespectful to it.
This paired with it trying to be everything at once and it thus lacking in a consistent tone or overarching theme was the main reason for its downfall in terms of Story.
The scripted events and unavoidable "capture" scenarios are the part that kills the main story for me. it just feels railroaded to force events that shouldn't have happened. Gives me flashbacks to the nonsensical vault ambush in fallout 3
@@stannisbaratheon3591 And that's fair. But if that's the way they envisioned it, I'd rather see them commit to that than try to be everything at ones.
You forgot to mention how weirdly political it gets with the bane JQ quest.
When your mod is shit so you use a guy as a scapegoat who had nothing to do with the shitty parts because of art he drew outside of the mod.
He drew that shit years vack, yeeeaaars back lmao
Also out of everyone in the dev team room at the end of the game, hes the only one who sounded manly lmao
@@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897 based chad
@@beardalaxy wasn't he a pedophile tho
@@firstnamelastname7244 how should i know
On a lighter note, the “Unfriendly Wiggle” is the funniest thing in world
A fine piece of investigative gaming journalism.
Actually game journalism.
Detective Rimmy tries to deduce whether this person died of their own accord, by an ex via foul play, or by a completely unrelated message board
This is funny because normally when I hear that its an insult.
@@Pownage244 sadly, if you say Game Journalism, its always about that Biased Normie websites
@@Pownage244
Because the chuds used it to justify a whole mess of awful shit.
Moral of the Story:
_don't make a thing with a bunch of people you barely know_
This seems like a mash up of different mods, solo devs and a pm who is new to it.
No moral the story is
Don't hired stupid as you can see the huge fucking problem in the mod.
No the moral of the story is to never trust a furry
@@Indigious "We were correct in committing war crimes!"
-Rimmy after killing a Traitor that is a furry.
If you're good at something, never do it for free. And don't waste 7 years of your life on it.
Does anyone else remember a few years back when The Frontier was being touted as a SEQUEL to New Vegas in terms of story? Or am I having a mendella effect/brain damage?
You're not alone. I certainly remember some of those details, particularly from the trailer in 2017.
Yep. It looked great before the story.
I think Alchestbreach mentioned this when he was allowed to showcase some of the trailer and weapons in one of his regular show cases back in the day, that the Frontier would supposedly take place after hoover dam. This would work better, in my opinion, for the non-canon and lack of lore friendly option.
Nah DUST is the true sequel to New Vegas.
I was so excited lol it really did look like a new game. I can say I thought it would be a sequel type also haha
This is so much funnier to me considering that it's set in Portland.
That explains everything
So it’s a pretty normal day for Portland then
Portland is America's Antifa Central
@@amadeusagripino6862 Portland is fucking crazy and that’s coming from a liberal!
Guy with booby animu pfp calling people degenerates. Checks out
The America “joke” concerning the speech check is a great idea that would make the player aware of how little they pay attention but the execution of said “joke” was absolutely terrible. The first interpretation the majority of people have is “uh oh I just bullied the dev’s waifu” rather than “Haha you got me! Jesus I should read more, haha” as intended.
Honestly, I just dismissed it as "oh, they put an evil asshole option in the game that allows players to be evil assholes" when I heard of it.
Should have been like one of my teachers used to do back in elementary school.
They'd ask for a volunteer and every hand would shoot up thinking we'd get out of class for a bit, then they'd say, "to go clean the toilets".
Should have been something like that where you get a simple quest making fun of you for picking the speech check without paying attention.
@@maxwellsterling yeah me too. First i heard that the dev team are sjw's that only allow you to be a pc goody two shoes. And then i saw screenshots of that slave scene. I just thought those others were haters and wrong.
@@gewuerzwanze5627 SJWs with a BDSM fetish. My God they're mutating
Yeah, this comes off as less of a joke and more of a prank the dev is pulling on the players. This is something he put in for his own amusement rather than his audience's.
The conversation with Skitter starting with "I don't like being called a juvenile asshole" and ending with "when's your next space engineers video" brought a tear to my eye.
Yea, honestly I think he might've just been upset, guy spent possibly 7 years working on it, only to see it go up in flames, with Rimmy seemingly to blame. Actually getting to talk to him probably helped alleviate those feelings.
JimmyJonJillakers I don’t really get it, say again?
@@Spar_kie no way you can say Devilswish, and ESPECIALLY the pathological liar tgspy are without substantial blame
The voice actors reading out the lines must've been like
"welp hopefully this ends well"
*Mod comes out*
"Welp this didnt end well"
you really gotta feel bad for them, cause there's a good chance they didnt have any bad intentions when doing the voice acting and they're forced to be affiliated with this nuclear dumpster fire of a mod
@@blank_home1229 at least of them voiced a child sex slave willingly I might add don't feel too bad for them
The writing in a nutshell: “The writers’ barley disguised fetishes.”
Why wouldn’t it be wheat instead?
@@orukarm oh XD
The excuses made for America and the other fucked stuff in this mod as "it's wild wasteland" or "it was just a joke" really don't hold up and the fact they are trying to cover it up is ridiculous.
That was only the deathclaw, wasn't it?
@@lovebunny2652 yeah I think so
[Speech -13/100] It was only a prank, bro!
I can accept the deathclaw one being a WW thing, but the stuff with America is unacceptable even as a WW event. They're supposed to be juvenile or small joke events, which the deathclaw sex fits into, but manipulating and enslaving a young, mentally unstable 18 year old girl isn't either of those
@@YourPalKindred Yeah Im honestly willing to buy the death claw one, it seems a bit self aware and if it actually cut to black and broke all your limbs Id have laughed my ass off. The problem imo is, the rest of the mod/writing takes this event that really could be played for laughs and makes it harder to buy cause of all the degeneracy.
Taking everything into account, it's clear to me that Zutheskunk was nothing more than the fall guy that everyone else used to sink from a sinking ship. You're going to tell me a bunch of people are going to bring an artist on board and not a single one of them even does a single web search to see his portfolio of work? Yeah, no. People just want to cut ties with this burning tire fire of a mod project. My suggestion is to make a note of everyone else who worked on this mod and refuse to work with them. Someone who is willing to push you in front of a speeding bus to slow it down so they can get on and leave you to twist in the wind is not someone I could ever trust on any level for any reason.
Definitely. I appreciate Rimmy for pointing out the dev immediately sacrificing zu to save their face.
Yeah I find it super hard to believe that guy who draws furry art is hired to do art for mod, and literally nobody goes to look at his portfolio for a sample of his skill before deciding "Yeah this is the artist we need." Super fucking sketchy on all ends, but that alone makes me wonder if the Mod Team ever actually did any real work, and were just begging for some kind of scapegoat to say "nah he ruined it we did our jobs perfectly"
I agree, however I believe only the writers should be black listed.
As alot of the programmer's that were there to make things works or wrangle the engine had no control over the decision making process
TheTundraTerror faaaaaacts
@@scruffles3838 yeah those writers are by far the worst out of all of this.
Famous words from tgspy, “I didn’t think” no y’all didn’t.
As a mod developer and team lead myself, it really seems to me that the critical issue with the Frontier, based on what's been said and shown here, is that tgspy did not have a firm hand on the reins. Letting folks run free is fine for a modding *scene* (say, the FNV modding community as a whole) but not for a specific project. Gotta have some driving vision and focused goal for specific projects, without those, mods flounder and struggle which is what we've seen from the Frontier. The in-fighting inside the team probably wasn't helpful and the lack of a clear "I am in command" authority to cut through and resolve those disputes clearly hurt things. It's unfortunate to hear about these troubles, the Frontier could have been something great. Hopefully, the individual modders have learned from this experience going forward and can bring that experience to their next projects.
To be honest i feel like that's just an excuse though. If my lead programmer stopped following my direction COMPLETELY, and refused advice from the fucking lead designer, I'd fire him on the spot without even thinking twice, even if it nukes half my project. After all, it's not like they had commitments for a release date. What's the point of having a lead programmer working on his own game, how does that help your vision as a designer? Sure, there are people stupid enough to do this, but coupled with him blaming literally everyone but himself? Sounds like bullshit to me. That's the entire job of a team lead. A good lead would rein him in, any average lead would fire him, but it'd take a massive moron tie your entire project to someone who doesn't care about the vision. I'm guessing there was no real vision, that's why they let him do what he wanted. Sorry if I sound harsh, I detest weak leads.
As I heard, one of the main developers was a really talented scripter and programmer, and he held all his technical work hostage and demanded to be the sole writer for the NCR campaign. The leads went on with it and the developer transformed the NCR campaign into that CoD/MGS/Wolfenstein/Spec Ops The Line horrible mashup. Also, that's why the 3 main campaigns are so different in tone between each other.
This is why a strong leadership makes difference.
If tgspy had done what a project lead should have done, the mod would have died on the branch without being released years ago. Which is probably why most big amateur projects like this end up going that exact way.
I honestly do not understand why devilswish had anything to do with this project in the first place. If he wanted to work on his own thing with no one else bothering him and with as little interaction with the rest of the team as possible, why did he not just do his own project?
@@amadeusagripino6862 I don't even mind the differences in tone. After all the NCR, Legion, and Crusaders are very different. I actually kinda liked the "CoD/MGS/Wolfenstein/Spec Ops The Line" thing (having never played a single one of these games btw), though I did have to get around some CTDs in the (technically brilliant) action sequences. And you would have gotten much of that uneven experience if you downloaded three different large quest mods in the same world space, so that's fine. Anyone expecting this to be a smooth and polished experience like New Vegas or Fallout 3 (lol) was delusional. But what is unforgivable is creating content that hampers other's stuff in the same mod, or doing something similar (like say, obstinately using assets that will get the mod banned) and not taking critique or QA of your work is just damn stupid.
Why is this in the game? "Rouge Dev"
Then why is this in the game? "Was a joke"
Why is this broken? "Someone else's fault"
Not an ounce of accountability from the project lead. "We thought it would be funny and players would enjoy it but realise now it's tonally inconsistent and are working to remove it" would have totally stopped the onslaught.
If its really a joke, they forgot the second part of a joke which is the joke actually coming off as funny instead of a thinly veiled projection of someone's weird fetish
@@gunswinger3110 This might be because I'm an optimist but I really do think it was a joke. Looking at the deathclaw thing specifically I feel like it was a joke aimed at all the deathclaw pornography that's out there. It didn't hit well no but I wish the mod team took more responsibility for it. Honestly I think the team let the "We're the biggest fallout mod" get to their heads and it shows. It also seems the mod was poorly managed really and needed a more tough love lead who did his best to make everything cohesive. Honestly I feel another group of people should take control of this mod and make a revamped version, get some of the old artists and VAs get some better writers on the team and keep the original framework. Make it what it was meant to be.
@@Biojack222 How many people are even aware that deathclaw pornography is out there though? I didn't, and I'm not going to look it up but I'll take your word for it. Even if it was such a 'joke' it is a failed one because think about it, wouldn't you at least have to be someone who hangs out in the circles where such a fetish circulates to even understand the reference as such in the first place? So of course the vast majority who aren't, and who don't are going to miss the joke and assume that they are actually promoting said fetish. Maybe you are right, but man is that just terribly poor judgement regardless if that is the case.
They're New Vegas fans, expecting them to know what accountability is putting your expectations way too high
@@rustyshackleford1062 have you ever heard of rule 34? most people I have met that aren't over 80 knows of rule 34, it's very rare to find anything that hasn't had porn made for it, most main steam stuff that has a monster of some sort and humans in it will have a erotic reimagining somewhere on the internet
At this point.it’s really hard to trust any of the devs on this mod. There are so many contradictions and shifting of blame to believe what they are saying.
Yes it feels like there is a lot of scapegoating
This. Seems to be tons of excuses for literally every single thing, such as the America dialogue option being a joke. That's horseshit. It was clearly some weird fetish shit
Yeah it is extremely telling that nobody said "I did this, it was wrong, I'm sorry" all blame throwing and scapegoating
Don't trust them at all
what would you do if you'r life's work was fucked by someone who didnt like something you worked literally 7 fucking years on making?
So let me see if i can understand this correctly.....'
They had several characters, all of whom clearly were child characters, talk about sexual fantasies and had the option to even be enslaved. Yet, not one fucking person on that team spoke out against that? Not one? Like, that seems unreal....
Most likely because the modders had to work on discord instead like how game devs do it.
@@demonspawn5164 And if they worked like normal game devs, they would either at each other’s throats or get investigated by the FBI.
There were about two, give or take. America could be enslaved via speech checks (which Rimmy points out was done in bad taste), who apparently had to have a birthday card added to say that she wasn't underage (which, without the card, seems fine on the surface, but I didn't play the mod, so I don't know much more than that; also, Rimmy pointed out that the card likely did more harm than good, though I paraphrased a bit).
Mae *was* underage, and admitted to drawing pr0n and wanting drugs and s3x, though I'd argue that it's worth mentioning she said the "virginity" line sarcastically; however, coming from an underage character, sarcastically or not, it's *still* far from okay.
It *is* worth mentioning that the Legion does have s3x slaves in the base game, like AJ became in the mod; however, it was mostly implicit as opposed to explicit.
You are right, though- the total lack of oversight is a f**king disgrace.
@@Danganraptor I doubt it was a lack of oversight and more the group believing that they were doing nothing wrong like none of them looked at a finished product and thought wow that's fucked and wanted to distance themselves from it. No this much fucked up shit by that many people and no one thought of it no there's no way it's just oversight
@@addex1236 Remember Alien: Colonial Marines? We got that from a lack of oversight- someone looked at the AI coding and thought "yep, looks good."
I'm not sure, personally, about the story of one guy working entirely on the NCR storyline plus coding; if true, though, then it's likely that he couldn't see the forest through the trees, if you will; he- or whomever wrote the characters- never took a step back and read the dialogue back, in or out of context. If the story is true, and everything Rimmy has said is accurate, then it is still counts as a lack of oversight to a ridiculous degree. No one from up top said "no."
Monster Girl Island: Prologue will not disappoint
Monster Girl Island lets go
So basically, this is the ultimate demonstration of why Creative Directors exist, and why good project management is actually more important than talent most of the time.
gonna tell my dad i learned about business from a video game
you need a creative director and a producer to keep that director in check so they don't fuck up everything by thinking they can do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, speaking from experience
It makes the difference between early season Spongebob under Hillenberg, and what became of Adventure Time.
Interpretation of humor and sarcasm is a good example of this. If I take them at good faith (a stretch but stay with me) then it's easily possible that the lines written as sarcasm and dark humor which fail to carry don't get picked up on. Causing much of the backlash.
A good QA will pick up on the lines being awkward, communicate it to the producer who will instruct necessary action to either change the content to make interpretation clear or have the questionable content cut.
It's just not reliable doing QA on your own project, you're blind to alternative interpretation of your content.
Congratulations, you've finally figured out why bosses are paid more than their subordinates instead of the other way around.
Ray Chase: "I want to be the villain and wear sunglasses all the time."
Rimmy: "What a chad."
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Snake, did you like my sunglasses?
it seems like Ray Chase is the only one who got away scot free. he got paid and he even got his sunglasses too. Good for him.
20:18
Players: yeah Bethesda fkin sucks, thank God we have modders to make quality content
Modders:
Don’t diss the whole modding community because of one shitty mod, there’s stuff like fallout Florida and F4NV that look absolutely amazing
Please don’t let my comment age badly
@@alfiemitchell3026 Funny you should say.
There is (more like was) a modding community for Unreal FPS series, the one made by Epic. Before Epic sold out like little pussies and abandoned us (they literally didn't finish the last game, they, to this day, have not even tweeted about it..) the community was SO strong and big, some of the relatively big titles you see today, for one Killing Floor, started off as MODS for Unreal Tournament.
Just because there is one group of fucking pedo scum claiming to be modders (newsflash, they're shit..) does not mean this is the norm, modding community is perhaps the most beautiful thing in gaming. To this day I reminisce playing some major mods for the first time.. It's like AAA games but free and actually made with LOVE and not $$$.
At least Bethesda didn't put their furry ideas of foot fetishes in the game tip
Yeah, I’m a Bethesda fan, I admit Fallout 4 was one of the worst Fallout games, but Fallout 3? You gotta admit, that and New Vegas were the last good Fallout games.
Other moders are quite amazing at what they do and do it because they love the game, other moders though... they only do it for money.
Can’t put everyone into the same sack, everyone falls under an infinite number of sacks.
Sorry for bad English.
Literally the definition of "it takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but only a few seconds to lose it"
your professionalism is staggering given the emotional weight and conflict present in the subject matter. Star of Terra for you sir
My flat affect is probably warping my sense of empathy, but.. emotional weight?
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt I was thinking the same. The only ones I could see being emotionally involved were the devs. But it sounds like the comment is referencing Rimmy... A player...
SgtJp654 The council is pleased with this
Coming back later and.. still don't get it.
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt Same.
Wait it's all wild wasteland?
Always has been.
hahahahaha
Considering NV isn't canon yeah pretty much
@@victorkreig6089 it is tho
@@danielwelser6220 I've seen nowhere that even pretends such except for FO76 which is also not canon
@Manifest Absence That's this video in a nutshell, he believes every excuse the devs make and barely contests anything, like everything totally supposed to be wild wasteland bro so its cool, heaps the blame on the project lead, and ignores the obvious fetishistic sexual pandering with america to try and focus on some tumblr girl, when there are even tags in the geck linking to america referring to her as jailbait and other promiscuous terms in the geck for her for the mod, some of which were changed last minute before the mod released, which leads one to wonder what the rest were originally. Sounds to me like Rimmy didn't like that 4chan was spreading his video around and decided to play damage control for the dev team.
RayChase sounds like a true Chad. Money is temporary, style is forever
What annoys me is that, even though they made a completely new setting and had a lot of time to think, they just reused previously factions without making a new interesting one with different ideals. They just used the ncr, legion, Christian bos, and enclave. Wow so original
Easy answer: the person or people making the worldspace had legitimate talent, the people deciding what factions would inhabit that worldspace did not.
Frontier is canon to bethesda fallout??
I like how this particular mod has had the majority of the fans singlehandedly rooting for the Enclave
They’ve been continually shat on in every game they’re in. I just want a fallout game where they’re represented in at least a somewhat sympathetic way, you know?
@@valance10 New Vegas kinda did that.
@@valance10 But they are fascists, trump supporters and objectively evil grrr
@@palladiamorsdeus Not really. You can meet up with some old veterans as a companion quest, but you can’t join the Enclave.
@@valance10 They litteraly tried to commit genocide in the capitol wasteland.
They only care about the "pure humans" and want to kill everyone else. It's a obvious way to portray Nazi Germany and other facist regimes.
I clicked on this expecting the regular youtube content grab of drama fallout but received an honest attempt at reporting of what happened and to make your own judgements. I'm very happy to have listened to this insight of the development and I don't think I can hate the developers for putting in a lot of time and work and try to make something great, even with results as they are. Thank you for making this video Rimmy and being as objective as you could.
In due fact, the report of the mod leader leaving the project and giving the right to the remaining devs to do what they want, and them wanting to remove the problematic aspects and remaking the NCR makes me want to see this mod be successful in the future.
Eh, I’m still gonna critics the team itself because they’re the ones to be held accountable to let this happen, but never the less I wish most of the ones who meant good as well as I can.
@@newguy8288 Especially the mod leader as he failed his givin title and was just turned into a spineless pushover.
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Lol this feels like a big blame game. Everyone fucked up, everyone did something wrong, so a scapegoat had to be found.
its just human nature, finding a scapegoat to blame all your problems on still happens TODAY on a nationwide scale
@@icyr0bin-794 yep, it's something everyone does
Dev: dude get your fucking self insert out of the mod.
Also dev: *_proceeds to self insert their precious quest breaking oc into the mod_*
TL;DR: The mod was fucked from the start.
*Rigged
Riggy: *posts video* From where you're standing, must look like a 38 minute case of bad press. Truth is... your mod was fucked from the start."
Please use your Golden Experience Requiem to set this mod's mistakes to 0.
@@BigOugh Sorry mate, this is beyond the power of the GER
@@AlanJ0304 tusk act 4 then?
The “oh that was meant to be wild wasteland” excuse is incredibly convenient. Not to mention the fact that wild wasteland is predominantly meant to be references to popular culture and often movies. They are also not found with the sheer density they are here. That’s just one of the many issues with this mod and it’s a minor one.
Edit: Holy shit lads thanks for the likes!
Wild wasteland is for silly references and scenarios, not weird fetish shit.
"it was meant to be wild wasteland" is either bullshit cover up or sheer incompetence. Seeing as all the creepy shit just so happened to not be tagged properly, i'm inclined to believe the former.
7 years
I've said this and I will say it again: it's not Wild Wasteland, the Frontier Courier is a Malkavian on a road trip to Oregon.
The "it was meant to be wild wasteland" excuse sounds like the meme of fetishists hiding their fetish things under the guise of comedy. "eheheh, wouldn't it be funny if she put her bare feet in potato salad? "
I think that the Deathclaw one might have actually been meant to be a joke, but maybe that’s just because I think it would’ve been hilarious if it played out as it was supposedly meant to.
"Odin doesn't remember writing that dialogue specifically"
Fucking kek, yet he was the one who introduced the entire dialogue in question to supposedly poke fun at speech checks that you need to be 4D chessmaster to instantly guess out of context. Without him there wouldn't be any of this dialogue in the first place, yet he conveniently "doesn't rember" the part that got burned into oblivion by wide public despite entire concept of this dialogue being absolutely tone-deaf, creepy and still-born from the get-go because nobody ended up being 3000 IQ enough to get the speech check joke. But yeah, let's blame the pedo guy nobody apparently background-checked or had any issues working with for 7 years
If you go to the official website, they've taken their own names and information off the page, but left up all the voice actors names and information.
Cowards.
Tgspy also blaming TK-Mantis for all of the Mods faults, even though he only did voice work and was critical of some of the lore stuff, was also in poor taste
Very poor taste to remove his voice work and recast the character because Mantis caught Covid and couldn’t speak properly.
@@MDPToaster mantis said he doesn't care about it now, he even likes the voice that replaced him better.
I didn’t see any of him blaming Tk-Mantis for the faults
What I saw was Tk-Mantis complaining his character wasn’t in the mod
All his fans saying yeah I’m not surprised you are a bit monotone
Then tgspy saying why he got removed to no effort flakiness and non commitment and willingness to work
@@punkrockmartian from what I've seen the dev's kept shiting on him on Twitter for "faking covid" because he said he thought he had covid and didn't get tested. Please note that Xilandro is a known drama queen, he stoped one of his mods cus the beta leaked and complains on Twitter alot.
@@MDPToaster Tbh, doubt he was that good, he even said it himself.
"Gamers should be gassed"
Ah yes, incredibly convincing photoshop there.
gamers rise up
Gamers oppressed as always
Gamers truley are the most oppressed class.
truly we are the most oppressed people that have ever existed
I mean they've said some dumb shit about how gamers/fallout fans suck but yeah the gassed bit's pretty hard to believe. (That said, ctrl+F on the discord won't retrieve deleted stuff.)
"It's just a joke bro" - Whole dev team trying to damage control.
With the Mae "please take my virginity" line, that was clearly sarcasm to express her fake gratitude at being told something she already knew and she wasn't actually offering it, lmao. _BUT_ that is still _incredibly_ weird to have a potentially underage character even suggest something like that. If they wanted to make a parody of Twitter/Tumblr artists, why not just write her as a 20-something at the least? Maybe throw in a little fandom humour, like her being obsessed with, idfk, the Vault Boy or Elvis or some shit (idk what possible in-universe characters there would be to geek over, lmao)? And then I guess her saying she likes to draw pr0nz of her "ships" or whatever if they "really needed" to add that it. The voice actor was probably really uncomfortable with the "once I turn 18" stuff, so good on her for changing it, even if they couldn't be bothered to match the subtitles up with the voice.
It presents an interesting problem. There are without a doubt teenage tumblr girls exactly like this, but do we really need to portray that? Unless you're trying to make a grim point and have the writing chops to do so, the answer is probably no.
@@LunamrathP I'd understand Tumblr girls in something that actually could possibly have Tumblr, but Fallout? Seriously, Fallout of all things has a Tumblr girl reference?
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola It's more referring to an ever existent stereotype by a familiar, and for lack of a better, name.
13:30 With most of the atmosphere of the mod that's under scrutiny being sexual in nature, he shouldn't be surprised that people finding out America can be turned into a slave, end up interpreting it with a sexual connotation.
i dont see how he couldnt when so much of the slave dialouge to her is grooming or creepy or exual in nature not brutal uncaring treating you like a labour dog kind of slaver like the pitts slavers
@@wilmagregg3131 Still how would you had made sex slavery happen? As seen isekai, That Guy and creeps ruined the theme of sex slavery as nothing more than a teenage fantasy and not because you want to be a bad guy
I don't mind playing scumbags but outside of the Gommorah storyline where the reality is how girls are economically constrained by NCR tourism to sell their bodies and thinking the caps are good there only to come out as either corpses both "living" and dead.
@@MrAsaqe Probably using actual examples of sexual slavery instead of the fetishized sense. In fantasy a sex slave serves its master, while in reality the slaver pases women and men around to make his own money through their servitude with no pay for example.
It can be written, but it is insanely tricky onto nigh impossible to pull off outside of the fantasy/fetish side.
Well theres also the whole AJ sex slave story line in the mod. If 1 character is created to be a sex slave it creates an implication that you would take a slave for the same reason.
@@MrAsaqe the way they did it in fallout 3?.
as in its a grown woman in body and mind who yes you can obviously tell shes mental broken she at least dosent act like a child and you dont talk to her like a child which is honestly the problem with this.
and no isekai has outright down ex slavry until redo of healer and even then it was a fomer ex lave inslavn his master while in most of those shows it more like there buying pokemon to help them not die in a fight as fast.
Criticize = Ban
Questionable or Tasteless content = "Joke"
Responsibility = "The P E D 🅾 did it!"
Troons and r*dditors threw someone under the bus
Like it never happened!
Mr Kennedy from the inbetweeners
Makes you hmmmmmm
also can we bring up that accusation is a complete exageration and unfounded. I genuilnly feel bad for the guy, he drew nsfw art of a charachter from a show. Tons of people do that with pokemon, steven universe ect and dont get called P E D 🅾
@@bradthunderpants3283 I'm not too sure about the Steven Universe stuff, but what he did shouldn't make him a pedo. It was drawing, fiction and not even about humans, but characters from a show. And it was years ago! Now, that's not weird. That's straight up degeneracy. But he is not a pedo by any means, and the dev team is using him as a scapegoat.
The "It was a joke" defence seems airtight at first, but the developers who make it have forgotten one crucial thing.
Jokes have to be funny.
If jokes have to be funny than why do memes exist
@@NiclasLoof Memes aren't funny. What are you going to do me, big boy?
@@LegalizeTheNuclearBomb But there are good memes.
"Jokes have to be funny." you're wrong, just look at me
Memes are the dogshit on the heel of comedy.
Wow, this is a shitshow. It reeks of immaturity and, dare I say it, weird Redditor vibes. The fact they put it together at all is an achievement, but not all achievements should be celebrated.
unrelated side note: Mae Caufield seems like a reference to Life Is Strange, Her best friend being Chloe and her name being 2 letters away. Wish the authors were more serious and the entire thing wasn't badly written and sometimes pedophilic wild wasteland content.
Shit mods making references to shit games, who could have thought.
No wonder the writing is god awful they are fans of life is strange
@Gabriel Robinson That thing seems like a real mean-spirited dig at both Life is Strange and the various Twitter and Tumblr Artists.
God that game sucks, too.
@@LeonheartDelta Which is a poor move. life is strange writing is cringe, but even it isn't THIS awful. And it's out of place for fallout to reference twitter and life is strange lmao of all things. There thinking was just awful.
"It was supposed to be Wild Wasteland" seems like a huge deflection when it's the excuse for most if not all the shit that the players had a problem with.
Is that even verifiable? Is it possible to dig into the modding code and figure out if it was meant to be Wild Wasteland? Otherwise it's just a "yeah nah trust me bruv".
100% it's a deflection, maybe some small things were genuinely ment to be wild wasteland and weren't, but it just so happens all the bad stuff was ment to be wild wasteland and weren't? Doesn't pass the smell test at all.
some devs: writes very graphic sexual fanfiction about having sex with a literal deathclaw, making a girl a slave, feet fetish dialogue and scalies
fans: dude, this is weird af why did you write this into the game?
devs: its supposed to be a joke bro, it was supposed to be wild wasteland man
It shouldnt have even been in the damn MOD in the first fucking place, let alone being activated by wild wasteland. Not all people that choose wild wasteland want to see this kind of bullshit and it is absolutely NOT what that perk is about.
This mod team is a pile of flaming shit that lies through crooked teeth.
Tgspy is a weasel, he lied about that Mantis guy. Nearly the whole team was aware about that weird Zu guys disgusting "art" and just used him as a convenient scale goat for other crappy things he didn't have to do with like the Deathclaw sex scene or those awful lizard people who that Mantis guy was flamed for saying he thought it was a red flag/bad idea.
If the Team Lead was mostly a QA Tester, that means he spent more time with the finished product than anyone else on the team. Him trying to say he didn't catch any bad jokes or overtly sexual innuendo's is a straight-up lie. He'd be front and center to them every time he tested dialogue paths.
This reaks of no accountability, of throwing a contract Deviantart artist under the bus to cover your tracks. I smell bullshit in all these responses. Hell no they weren't aware this shit was in their mod. They fucking made and tested the thing.