How Andrey Rublev Hits SUPER Hard Forehands (Advanced BWEH! Tennis Technique)
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How Andrey Rublev Hits SUPER Hard Forehands (Advanced BWEH! Tennis Technique)
1. Grunt when hitting
2. Slow down/stop your body’s rotation just before hitting to accelerate your hitting arm
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Way to go Ryan! Always awesome stuff!! Happy New Year!
Fantastic lesson!!! Happy New Year
This is such a good video. Thank you for the explanations! So glad I ended up here randomly
Wow thanks so much. I make videos everyday. Thanks for watching and I hope you like my other videos too!
Thanks Ryan, for your very good contents.
Great analysis. So true, lots of players lose energy clumsily rotating shoulders all the other way around jumping around like grasshoppers. Perfect example of efficiency in a top player's forehand
Thank you Ryan! Great advice!,
I agree with baya yaba about how his body stops mostly due to his legs, rather than just to his left arm as Ryan implies.
A helpful analogy to how the forehand works is to imagine that from the shoulder joint the arm was just a supple leather appendage with a weighted object (racket) attached to the end. Swing that appendage by rotating the shoulders. The way you would swing a whip, with the end moving faster than anywhere else along its length. To crack the whip the energy source that propelled it must stop at the right moment to allow the kinetic flow to move toward the tip. Good players, from pros on down, use the force of shoulder rotation way more than most rec players do. And their "whips" crack at a much higher velocity as a consequence.
Our problem is that we have strong muscles in the arms, from the shoulder down, that can swing the racket forcefully by contracting, and which require zero shoulder rotation to do so. We see this in countless rec player strokes. Many swing the racket principally using the wrist joint. Most use mostly bicep contraction, with shoulders stationary. You can easily hit the ball hard enough to send it well past the other baseline by using just your bicep contraction. This ability is a false prophet for tennis, however, as evidenced by how all good-to-great players swing the racket.
The trick, then, is to overcome the strong instinct to muscle the forehand with the arm muscles alone, and allow those muscles rather to work in sequence with the force started by shoulder rotation; to complement the energy flow from the shoulders. It takes a great deal of focused effort to make it work correctly, but the payoff is huge. If you think of your arm muscles taking over the job of making sure the racket finds the ball at the proper contact point, and leaving the force of the swing to the energy started by the shoulder rotation, this is the beginning of making a more efficient and powerful stroke.
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Since I saw your videos on the reactive break in the serve I've been wondering about how to use it on regular strokes. Great breakdown, have really been struggling with forehand power, I'm sure this will help!
2MinuteTennis' teaching on reactive break is such a hidden gem that has caused me to understand tennis (and sport/athletics) so much!
I was developing my reactive brake quite subconsciously but was told that I was doing wrong especially with my non-dominant arm. Thanks for clearing up that query in your video.
Great tip. Could you do a video on the reactive break on the one handed backhand if it applies to that side as well
His forward foot is not out to the left of his body at finish but he has plenty of weight on his forward foot. There is a danger that he could actually fall to the left if he didn't maintain perfect balance.
This observed slowing down of the shoulder (and trunk rotation) as the racquet comes through the strike zone is an effect of a properly executed kinetic chain. It is common to all “ball and stick” sports that use trunk rotation to generate racquet/club/bat speed. In golf, this is described as the feeling of “hitting against a firm left side”.
This type of motion comes naturally and easily to those who are athletic and anyone who started young (due to their need to leverage body weight to make up for relative lack of arm strength). The challenge is how to teach it deliberately, for an action which flows naturally from correct motion sequence.
The concept of a “reactive break” is one of many different techniques used to teach this type of movement sequencing. It’s the challenge of being a coach, and you do this very well. 👍
Very good point! Absolutely true.
Hey thanks so much!
Very well explained....his final weight transfer happens slightly after with his leg following through? I hope catching the racquet helps me do this as.
this soooo good!
FINALLY - I've been saying this for years - it's just simple physics and yet I still see all sorts of youtube tip videos- including from teaching pros like yourself - constantly preaching about the extra power and supposed ease of hitting associated with: (i) rotating one's core together with the forward swing, and (ii) stepping into or even stepping thru the shot coincident with the hit. Both always struck as both wrong & frankly dumb.
You used the term 'reactive break' .. 1st time I've heard that term to describe what seems to me to be a very natural action by one's core to counterbalance the force being generated by the racket head (F=MxA) as it accelerates thru contact via a side arm segmented throwing motion initiated by an initial uncoiling of one's core/ shoulders and hips. In other words - your body naturally wants to stay BALANCED and the best/ most natural way to do that is keep your axis stable (your core/ the pole on a tetherball court, etc.) and slightly resist the force thru the contact point - allowing one's lagging racket head to snap back thru to neutral at the contact point and naturally decelerate thereafter. Yes folks - you want your racket head to be moving FASTER thru contact - which happens naturally if you utilize a throwing motion to hit your strokes (sidearm for the FH, Frisbee throw for the BH and 3/4s/ baseball pitch motion for your serve.
As you note we've always known this was the best/ most efficient way to hit a serve and we've always taught some form of the 'reactive break' technique on one-handed BHs (though too many just teach/ advocate pulling the arm thru contact vs. whipping it thru like Gasquet or Warwinka). But for some reason - it took us a long time to recognize the advantages of utilizing a throwing motion to hit FHs - even though most all top players now do so. I think the trend started when everyone started using more extreme grips to generate lots of natural topspin and be better able to handle high bouncing balls on courts that increasingly produce high bouncing (rather than low skidding) balls. You pretty much need to whip your racket thru the contact point to get the racket head back to neutral if you are using an extreme grip, but one can still use an throwing motion and whip the racket head through the contact zone using an eastern or even a continental grip. In fact, because this technique allows you to generate racket head speed via a more compact swing - it's actually easier for me to change/ adjust my FH grip slightly depending on the height of the ball and the shot I'm trying to hit. [I migrated from my old school continental grip to mostly an eastern grip for most FHs but move it around a bit towards semi-western on high balls where I swing more across the ball and I still sometimes use a continental grip on low balls - especially short balls and/or where I'm trying to get under and on the outside of the ball to hit it sharply x-court - or (rarely) where I utilize a FH slice].
Look I'm an older player who started playing as a young kid in the 1970s when most of the top players like Laver, Ashe, Nastase & later Mac etc. were hitting with continental grips and everyone was taught to hit with a closed stance and a pendulum swing based on weight transfer etc. and yeah - you could play pretty well that way but it was also difficult to get your timing down at the beginning of most play sessions and only now that I look back at old clips of some of the old pros do you notice that some - like Laver, Nastase, Ashe, Okker, etc. - did utilize segmented throwing motions for their FHs and BHs (everyone did so for their serves) even though they used continental grips - a consequence of playing a lot on fast, low bouncing grass and playing serve & volley tennis.
Long story short - it's taken a lot of time and shadow swings and wall time to change my strokes (old habits are hard to change). But now that I have changed my strokes I so regret that it took me so long because hitting with modern segmented throwing strokes is so much easier - easier on the body and easier to get/ generate power (vs. old school strokes that mostly just deflected/ returned pace generated by one's opponent) and much easier to time shots and generate power pace on high bouncing balls and balls hit on the run, because it's a shorter swing path and you can more easily generate power, pace and spin thru the contact point via a relatively compact whip action and you don't have to have your feet and body in perfect position w/ perfect timing/ weight transfer into the shot, etc.
I actually disagree w/ your comment that this technique is somehow only for ADVANCED players. It certainly shouldn't be because - as I said above - using a throwing motion makes easier to time one's shot, easier to hit on the move and at differing heights - and yes - easier to generate power with less effort. And no - you don't have to try and hit every ball as hard as possible (like Rublev does) to take advantage of this technique. You can use less effort and still generate good pace on most balls using much less effort than old school pendulum swings that connected to weight transfer and core rotation.
BTW - if you do a bunch of shadow swings (I don't think you need that topspin pro device) you'll find your very natural best contact point where your core/ body stays very on balance and you hear & feel the whoosh and snap thru at contact. Everyone's ideal contact point will be a bit different depending on swing path and grip and strike height, but in general you'll feel that your body weight is behind the racket head at contact - and naturally resisting the force of the racket head snapping back accelerating thru the contact point (via natural lag and snap back) and then naturally decelerating out in front and around your core.
I'll note that as I observe your FH demonstration shots - I still think you'd benefit from a bit more of the throwing motion and lag/ snap back/ thru at contact. It looks to me like you are still actively pulling your arm thru the contact point and forcing the high follow-thru instead of just 'letting it happen naturally' - with the follow-thru swing path dictated by the throwing motion swing path thru contact - sometimes high and sometimes more across your body depending on the contact point and the shot your attempting (high ball, low ball, sharp angle x-court, drive down the middle, inside out FH etc.) In short, I see you having a picture perfect 'old-school' FH, but not as relaxed and flowing as most modern players now hit with a segmented throwing motion (Fed, Dimitrov, Rublev, Djoker etc.). The modern segmented sidearm throwing technique is not just potentially more powerful - it's actually easier to hit and time which allows faster, easier more natural court movement and easier adjustments to high, low and spinny balls. You can say it's JMO - but there's a reason why these pros look so relaxed hitting and moving and adjusting to all sorts of balls - their technique allows that. It's not just hours of practice .. it's hours of practicing with the most efficient/ natural technique.
Started reading this yesterday. Haven’t finished yet.
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I agree the side arm throw is a great template for the forehand, just make certain your wrist and hand stay relaxed, otherwise it will not work. Berrenttini, Kyrgios, Sock, Rublev, Fognini, great examples. I love how those guys have basically a neutral wrist position(basically a straight line from forearm to racquet shaft) prior to the start of the explosion throwing motion. No pat the dog racquet pull going on. And starting the forehand with wrist extension is not helpful.
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Thank you for this video, my forehand is decent with good spin but lacks that ‘punch’.
Awesome video as always! What do you think about the drop of the racket behind the back on his forehand. Is this something I should copy as well or not really an element of a powerful forehand? Thanks!
I think lag forehands are overrated for rec players. You can hit either with with a lot of power.
@@2MinuteTennis can you make videos that would be more specific to amateur players?
Hey coach, is it a good idea to employ a similar "reactive break" on the two-handed backhand, or do you recommend rotating the body all the way through?
Would this be what I heard described as "throwing the arm"? Really appreciate your content and presentation style.
Great video, I’m definitely going to try this. However I don’t think you can stop your upper body from rotating at full speed without slowing it down (it defies physics), you need to inject a counterforce to stop the shoulder rotation. If you stop the body at 1:45 (which is the same fram you used for your video you will notice the left leg is bent and his right elbow is locked. It is not by slowing down his upper body rotation, but he blocks the rotation by locking the left side of his body; applying force into the ground with his bent left leg and locking the left arm at the elbow. This creates a catapulting counter reaction that speeds up his racket. Ryan likes analogies (and so do I); this is a bit like when you were running on the play ground and someone sticks their foot out in from to trip you, on one leg. The other side of your body accelerates and you accelerate off at an angle before falling.. if you are rotating your shoulders and try to stop it by slowing down the same force that created the rotation you will slow down and hit a poor stop. Keep accelerating but block the rotation by stepping in the with left leg and lock the left elbow like he did in this frame (1:45). If you don’t believe me try both methods; the slowing down with a straight left leg like Ryan suggested and a continuous acceleration countered by a sudden block on the left side of your body.
Thanks for your comment, interesting. Sounds logical to me.
Please elaborate?! His left knee is bent from the start of the shoulder turn (around 135) AND at 145. When and how does the 'locking' take place? What feels and progressions should I use to drill this? What feedback is there (other than ball flying off?) . Should I FEEL like I've stopped rotating prior to impact to achieve this?
First learn to be completely relaxed in your hitting arm. Fill a bath tub halfway with water. Place you hand on the surface of the water relax your hand, wrist and forearm, etc. on the surface and try to create big waves my gradually controlling the flow of the water. Do not fight against the waves. You will start to feel a sensation in the wrist and forearm. The wrist will lag as you move the arm forward to push the wave forward. This we create a pressure sensation in the arm this is called lace. If you are able to hit the balll this relaxed while feeling this, you be a step closer to hitting these types of forehands. It’s really about understanding the feeling of being completely loose and letting your leg drive into the torso/shoulder rotation do all of the work
Correction: “This is called *Lag*
@@lordenishi3714 thank you. I think your description is great to explain lag and snap but I'd like to know how that fits in with Ryan's explanation of the reactive brake of stopping fast torso rotation to allow for the racquet to then accelerate maximally? Should I be feeling I've stop my torso violently at the lag stage, as otherwise I think I carry on rotating (albeit slower) through to the finish (and hence not acquiring as much racquet head speed?) .
I would have to see more shots to agree. I believe this shoulder deceleration is happening to allow him to hit directly in front of him. I need to see what he does with his body when he hits cross court shots. I have a feeling his shoulders will rotate more.
Ok. The link to watch him is in the description.
I grunted while hitting Like and TH-cam counted it as 2 likes
Ok that’s my favorite comment in the last 6 months.
LOL! First thing I thought and first thing you mentioned: Grunt!!
Haha it’s the truth! Thanks!!
Finest forehand of all the -ev’s
that's right, Ryan, I would like to add that while hitting the ball, Rublev stands low and hard on his feet (does not jump), perhaps this enhances hitting.👍🎾🇷🇺
Good to see someone speak in defense of grunting.
It def helps you hit harder.
Hi just wondering what forehand grip does rublev use?
How much power are you losing using a semi-western vs eastern grip?
I use an eastern forehand. I used these mechanics on a forehand against a friend in 1992. I was near the center service mark and my opponent was on his approach to the net. He got to the center of the deuce service line. This ball was struck so hard that it barely cleared the net by 1-2 inches and almost looked like it could go long. The ball struck my friend in the groin. The match was over. This ball looked like it was only going to land in by about 6 inches and dent the back fence.
Less rotation is because he's hitting up the middle. If he was to hit more cross court the rotation would be more complete and his shoulders would turn more. It's specific to where he wants to hit.
Is there a reactive break on the backhand?
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Pretty sure that's called conservation of angular momentum. He's rotating his whole torso with his arm, then the torso stops. So that gives the racket and arm a lot of speed because of conservation of angular momentum. The body is massive. As it rotates around that axis of the spine, it has a lot of momentum. So when that stops all that momentum has to be conserved so it's transferred to the arm. Since the arm is much less massive, it goes very fast.
Is it also maybe the kinetic chain in action?
Thanks Ryan Great Video . My issue is how to 'set myself' particularly on easy balls. I think my problem is being too tense/fidgety when i have a lot of time before hitting the ball. So how to be still, relaxed, in the right position. I would appreciate your views on this. Thanks
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Love the title 😂
Haha thanks. Took me like 10 minutes to finally come up with it. LOL
Hi good it look like all that early separation from the upper the arm is going through just holding on.
3:50 Interesting.i made a misstakes,that i continue to rotate.i made a lot of errors becaurce of that.
No problem with the concept of stopping your torso but not sure about how you are trying to teach it. It's a variation on the classic throwing action where the hips/torso go first then stop and the momentum is transfered into the arm. Hence easiest to teach as a throwing action - keep the shoulder low and relaxed (or it will block the transfer of momemum) and throw the racket like you are skiming a stone then try to whip the racket over (windscreen wiper) and make it whoosh.
Thanks for the comment, very interesting. Will try it out.
What grip does he use?
It’s kinda like a baseball pitch or a trebuchet, once the main body stops, the arm swings around so much faster.
i notice he doesnt point the strings down prior to contact? am I missing somethging? whats his grip?? Seems more of a flat hitter
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Hi Chris. Thanks for watching and happy new year as well. Yes he’s closes his racket face a lot prior to hitting. What’s your email? I’ll make a short 10 second video showing his closed face and send it to you. Thanks!!
looks like he might be lifting his index finger off the racquet as well. i watched something about this on One Minute Tennis(lol). apparently it helps in relaxing your forearm.
May I offer a bit of a challenge to this. If the torso and shoulders are rotating and pulling the arm along, I just don't see how slowing down the shoulders or stopping them is going to speed up the arm. What physics principles are involved in this? Can you cite any biomechanics article that explains this phenomenon? There is a lot of literature on biomechanics in tennis, so there must be some articles using this concept or the term "reactive break." I am not able to find any. I notice shot putters don't seem to use any slowing down or stopping of motion in their sport. You would think they would have discovered a similar principle for the heavy duty motions they make. If you can correct me, I'm all ears.
Simply “slowing down” the body rotation isn’t what you want. You want to abruptly stop the body’s rotation. Take the serve for instance. That’s why the tossing arm should tuck into across the body. To temporarily slow dow the should and make your forearm snap more. Watch the serves of Stan smith, Vijay Amritraj, Arthur Ashe from the old days and JJ Wolf, Nadal, Federer of today. Again, you can’t just “slow down” you have to abruptly stop and they links in the arm accelerate.
Thanks for your additional thoughts, Ryan. It is great to have a dialogue. At the moment, it does not seem to coincide with physics, meaning that one part of the body stopping makes another part of the body speed up. Maybe what you are getting at is how the tip of a whip snaps when the handle of the whip is yanked backward. That creates a very small rotation right at the very tip of the whip. Applying that concept to a tennis swing would mean the tennis racquet would whip around some point at the end of the arm, maybe the wrist. That strikes me as undoable since the arm is not a rope and flexible like a whip and, even if it was, it would be nearly impossible to control where the racquet hits the ball and the orientation of the racquet face and so on. Or, if the entire arm (rotated from the torso or shoulder) is analogous to the tip of whip, then you would want the torso to yank backward to increase angular velocity and whip the entire arm. That is probably impossible for the body to do. And if it was, there would be a kind of rotation with the body to send the arm circling around it and not a stopping of the body (or shoulder). I'm pretty sure there is no stopping to make the tip of a whip circle around. In any case, once it warms up around here and I can get back on the court, I'll try out your ideas. @@2MinuteTennis
1. Nice video
2. Dangerous video as rec folks are already obsessed with pace and power yet spraying balls all over the place, you’re not helping with this!
3. I reckon Roger is a great example as well for your point. Agree?
Does huff and puff count too?😂
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Haha thanks!!!!
@@2MinuteTennis happy new year Ryan. Thanks for the great vids!
Very good analysis! The only disappointment is that Ryan didn’t BWeH haha
Haha what was a thinking?!?! That’s a fail on my end. Have a great day!
I'm not an expert at all, but I think if you want to analyze how much the shoulder rotates, wouldn't it be better if it's being analyzed from above since the body rotates on a vertical axis? Perhaps you can record yourself from above while recreating the movement so viewers can get a more complete picture of it, imho.
Thanks for your thoughts. Honestly, that would be extremely labor intensive for an idea that most players find easy to understand. Thanks!!
An overhead view is always illuminating I agree; when Djokovic practiced in Melbourne cameras were not allowed, so a TV station used a drone. It really showed how much extension he used on his forehand, something we do not see from the rear. It would be great if Ryan could use it occasionally.
How come Google has never heard of the reactive brake?
Let's hear it for the grunters! UH!
If you watch him without explanation you will think that his swing has a lot of arm isolation
rublev dosen't does the atp forehand is more a technique that does Nalbandian Del Potro's call the modern forehand!! Are you agree with me??
it's like driving a car and try to throw the passenger out (in front) as far as possible
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Haha thanks so much!!
@@2MinuteTennis I can attest to grunt increases ball speed. It also helps relax me during match play, I time my grunt to around contact with ball or at least I try my best hhahaha
Perimetric Acceleration...
Yep! Thanks so much!!!
I guess theres something wrong with what your explaining...you will not accelerate the racket head just by stopping/slowing down the upper body rotation...the real acceleration happened BEFORE while the upper body was still rotating quickly....I guess Rublevs stop with the upper body will give him more/enough control...just like the "free" arm that goes in the opposite direction when you hit the ball with a single handed backhand...
You picked one forehand where he almost stopped half way for analyzing it. Pretty much every other forehand he kept turning much more in your video.
Discussing shoulder rotation without HIP rotation that drives the unit rotation (including shoulder rotation) is often misleading. Here, deceletation of Rublev's shoulder rotation is clearly a result of maxing out of hip rotation in a closed stance. I've wasted a lot of my own time concetrating on shoulder rotation instead of using my hips right.
He is hitting a controlled forehand. If he hits it harder, he definitely rotates. th-cam.com/video/awIobgfr1HI/w-d-xo.html @40.
Watched the video. The majority of those forehands he slowed his rotation down while hitting to snap his hitting arm faster. It’s simple physics. The arm will travel faster if you rotate then then abruptly stop/slow down than if you simply keep rotating.
@@2MinuteTennis so unless I'm mistaken, at 40 seconds he runs to his right, and at 42 he hits the ball as he is in the air or lifting off the ground? How does one break if their feet leave the ground? Just asking questions, but I enjoy breaking the physics down!
I think nobody "got" that he uses a western grip ! LOL
Tsk tsk tsk. Rubles, is hitting the balls like this because he has a very loose arm. You do have the rotating correct, but it comes from a leg drive, keeping the arm loose. Another key is, he keeps the racquet head in front of the hand so that when he drives with his legs with lead to his rotation, the arm is so relaxed that the racquet snaps back to create lag. By him continuing to release the kinetic energy, by the time the gets to the front of the body (aka past the hips, right after the contact) the loose arms releases itself through the ball(hand acceleration) 😔
Intentionally grunt? What dumb advice. Grunting is an effect, not a cause. If you play in a way where grunting happens naturally, by all means do it. As your intensity ramps up and your grunt follows, great. Then do it (i.e., let it happen). The grunt is the result of your increased effort that allowed you to make a shot go 5 mph faster. Grunting is absolutely not the cause of an increased 5mph. Silly coach.
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Enjoy the article.
@2MinuteTennis That articles establishes a correlation between power and grunting, but not cause and effect. If you thinking grunting is really a fundamental tennis skill, go ahead run some grunting cross-training sessions. This is great because you can grunt anywhere: on the couch, at the table, lying in bed, at the mall, on hikes. Sorry, I'm just not convinced. I grunt on my serve and most groundies (esp when I'm trying to crack one), but never something I "practiced", nor had any coaching or teaching on. I'm sure Rublev did not either.
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(1) He hits flatter than any amateur player should (and flatter than pretty much any other top pro.) DON'T DO THIS.
(2) He uses a massively heavy racket even by pro standards to get that power. No amateur should be using a club that heavy.
(3) If you look for other videos of Rublev's practice sessions (which haven't been cherry-picked), you'll see a range of shoulder turn on the follow-through--and when he steps in it's pretty pronounced.
Nothing to see here. You're better off watching almost anybody else in the top 50.
Your analysis and insights for forehand is awful
I appreciate you commenting. Thanks!!