Flatzoid tried to debunk me ... then perfectly proves my point!
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Flatzoid tried to debunk my recent video about Up & Down confusing flat Eathers ... only to show his confusion of Up & Down
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Flat Earth really triggers you 😂 I wonder why you so vested in wanting to teach “Flerfs”.
We hear your arguments and watch your videos…. We laugh at guys like you
@Brown Brownie the rest of the world laughing at you.
Orient refers to the East because early Christian faced that direction for prayers.
Is it just me, or isn’t it scary that a fully grown man is struggling to comprehend a concept that 10 year olds can grasp?!
It’s not just you. If the adult Flat Earth believers are so mentally challenged as to believe the earth is flat, I feel sorry for them.
He hasn't read The Little Prince yet.
This is almost as dumb as this one time a girl asked “how come the planets don’t fall on us?” 💀
The fact that the ancients, who first believed that the earth is flat, figured out using simple math that the earth is not flat without the use of satellites, computers, spaceships or cameras is astounding and that a grown man still insists on the opposite is really incredible.
@@Spyciality Which basicly is a good question to start with. If only people gave her the right answer...
No no, he's right, "the land down under" proves Australia is down, just like how "the big apple" proves America is actually just a very large tree
Isn't the 'Big Apple' New York City ?
Just like how "Sunshine State" proves Florida doesn't experience night time.
@@apolloskyfacer5842can't tell if that's sarcasm or retardizm
😂
@@apolloskyfacer5842yes, which is why he is saying that the rest of America would be a tree.
How can anybody get confused over "UP" and "DOWN"? Up is towards the sky, and Down is towards the elephants and the turtle.
Elephants? How silly can you get. It's turtles all the way down.
And if you magically transport yourself from one place to another, you don't have to worry about relative motion. I's all going the same direction -- _around_ .
🤭🤭🤭
With a little luck you see an elephant lifting up a leg so that the Sun can follow it's path undisturbed.
At this point, I’m not here for the flat earth debunking, I’m here because this dude is actually a fairly decent teacher, and I find myself learning quite a bit from him about space and concepts relating to it. Despite his primary focus being on photography, what a legend
What did he teach you?
@@stolearovigor281
For me, that is the axi of Earth's rotation been tilted to it orbit around Sun. I played too much KSP to not having idea about that. Kerbin rotating absolutely perpendicular to it orbit created the imagery that Earth is doing the same thing.
@@whelperw what is the tilt angle?
Definitely 👍
@@stolearovigor281At the present time, the Earth's axial tilt is 23.5 degrees
Flatzoid: "What a way to state the obvious, genius"
*Proceeds to get the obvious thing completely wrong*
Bro flat earthers have to be 45 iq or under to be considered an actual flat earther
"Common sense is not that common."
These are what we can expect from, and why he's this years probable winner of the Dunning Kruger award. I watched some of, if not all of that from Failzoid and that was an amazing display of the multitude of things he's just got no idea or understanding of whatsoever. There's just no saving someone that dumb.
They don't call him failzoid without reason.
@@b0b5m1th Failzoid. Fartzoid. Fraudzoid. Flatzilla. Many names. One brain. Well, not even one brain.
The reason you can't argue with a flat earther is because the ones you could argue with realized they were wrong and stopped being flat earthers
*Warning:*
Clown in the replies
(Vinny Consolini)
You can't argue with complete stupidity. That's why I point and laugh at them. When I reply to them it's not because I'm arguing to them it's because for other to see how dumb flerfs are. Flerfs really think people watch the flat earth debates for a "debate" they don't understand the debates is just entertainment to see how dumb a flerf can get, it's parading their stupidity and it's hilarious.
It's like arguing with a pidgeon. You CAN do it, but only if you don't expect an honest, logical and on-topic answer.
Which means that flat-Earthers are simply too stupid or stubborn to understand logic and physics.
Otherwise, they'd understand and not be flat-Earthers.
Exactly! @@philw6056 Pigeons are renowned_ for muddling up _altitude_ with _elevation_ . It doesn't faze them though. Pigeons can and do still argue using words they don't know, without using information we all know, and with their own ideas that none of them _really_ know.
It's because pigeons can Do Something* Fearlessly.
(* something or other)
...or they continue to push the "flat earth" idea to make money and/or to have some form of "fame" by keeping the true believers believing...
He must have been a nightmare at school.
His teacher explains a concept to all of the class, and all of them seem to understand... then Flatzoid raises his hand and the teacher thinks "Oh no, not again..."
If I ever feel stupid, all I have to do is realize that there are people out there who believe that the world is flat. Then I don’t feel so bad.
They say it’s not a belief
When you feel too smart try to come up and defend your globe religion with an actual fact. Observable, repeatable and measurable. Just one 😆
Sounds like a song from the Sound of Music :P
@@stolearovigor281Flat Earth is a Disney Globalist scam
@@stolearovigor281there's one in that last comment you pretended not to see because it gave you an argument that you couldn't disproove
I am amazed by the fact that people can be confused by the fact that you can just...turn a photo.
That is not currently taught in the degree courses at FLERF U
@@allsouls5997 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@timolynch149 Yes the spinning ball is a clown show and the pizza is to throw you off and into the snow..But its ok. This is how peoples pride is exposed. This is so no one can boast.
@@allsouls5997 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@timolynch149 McDonalds ?
Flatzoid probably had the same issues at school, thinking he was top of the class when in reality he was at the bottom
This is mean, but I laughed lol
nah, he missed orientation and never found his classes.
Dude have you seen yourself in the mirror?
@@stolearovigor281 Have you seen a lunar eclipse?
@@onekun5233 have you seen a selenelion eclipse?
I used to snorkel at Shark's Cove in Hawaii a lot, and there was a giant arch about 20 feet down where I would invert my body as I entered, so that the ceiling of the arch became "down". Thanks to the weightlessness in water the mind easily viewed it as "down", with pockets of trapped scuba diver air looking like little pools of mercury.
Then at the other end of the arch, I'd move "down" over the edge, which then turned into "up" as I moved back to the surface. Really fun mind trick!
Nice!
Look for a shelf of snow and bring some 🧨 and you can experience the same disorientation. For a warm up you can spin and run in a straight line.
One wake up for how you've been conditioned / programmed actually is to measure temperature of direct moon light. You can design retests to account for possible errors. You were taught the moon is a reflector ? Hmmm. You can also look into with diligence how light spectrum of moon that is *not a reflector* ... Or stay inside your current paradigm. The moon is its own light. Jesus is Reality.
that sounds fun i want to do that
Although not quite as perfect as when scuba diving, I had the same experience when snorkelling off a massive drop-off in the Banda Sea in Indonesia. After a while, there was only blue. Nothing else. Quite amazing
I live in Australia and it’s always hard to stop things floating away up into the sky!
You mean 'down into the sky', right. My advice: whatever you do - DON'T LET GO!!! 😆😆
Must also be difficult walking around on your head all day.
It's astounding that this has to be explained. It's even more astounding that once explained, people will still argue that this completely obvious concept is false.
It really is incredibly concerning, and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
That’s just it. Adults are stupid and it’s difficult to teach them. These people were allowed to be ignorant as children or taught in a way that twisted their or limited their brains so they don’t know how to use them and think logically. Our only hope is to change the system and teach the next generation better.
@@devlin9871 I'm sure these individuals understood the things correctly when they were kids. It's the bad influence of internet trolls and scammers, the sense of feeling special for "knowing a hidden secret" and their sheer mental laziness which has converted them into flatearthers.
@@devlin9871 no that's false. Adults learn new things all the time, what do you think college is?! Adult school?! Job training?! Flerfs are just morons, who instead of admitting they're dumb and apply themselves harder, they rather find a community that pat themselves in the back and smugly act like they're the smartest people on the planet that they "researched and figured out" that they been "lied" to about living in a spherical object in space.
To me it's the same as religion.
I am so thankful for Flat Earthers (bear with me). I've learned more science and what's actually happening in our universe than I ever did at school thanks to Dave the other folks explaining things in simple english. Top work sir. 😁
I don't actually learn anything new by listening to these to and fro's. Not about physics anyway. I do learn a lot about psychology and the futility of trying to change the mind of someone who's perfectly sure of themselves.
Good for you, I'm thankful they provided countless of hours of entertainment to laugh at the complete morons of the internet.
@@nout4812 Often, how "perfectly sure" someone is of their point of view is inversely proportional to how right they are.
Same, especially when they cherrypick facts and this highlights their own deception.
It is Cunningham's Law which states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."
Flat earthers keep posting wrong answers, then people come along and give good correct answers.
I love that these people do several hour long livestreams and take years out of their lives trying to figure out basic things that most children understand.
"... take years out of their lives trying to figure out basic things that most children understand." Then failing to figure it out and making a video to prove it.
Though it’s a bit hard to tell sometimes how many of them are just shills and cons only in it for the money, and how many are actually this stupid.
IF THE EARTH IS ROUND WHY ARE SHIPS NOT CURVED TO GO FASTER???? WHY ARE PLANES AND CARS FLAT AND NKT CURVED???????
@@klof4276 Tell us you are an idiot without telling us, you mastered that one!!!! Do you have no concept on how big earth is?? Do you think earth is the size of a basketball? We can tell from your comment that there is not much you understand.
@@klof4276unless it's so massive it can't move then I don't think a curve is needed
I love how he was trying to dunk on you by imitating your setup but just looked like a complete psychopath the entire time. It felt like a scene from the silence of the lambs.
It puts the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose again. I got your dog, mister!
I can't believe we're living in a world where people are discussing what up and down are. That's nuts.
Flat earthers struggle with understanding 3 spatial dimensions.
I mean people have been discussing a magic space wizard for thousands of years. Yet, here we are.
Thats the easy stuff. Try asking them what a woman is.
@@coryv5679 excuse me? Its actually space wizards, plural.
What are you talking about?
Nuts are an edible part of certain plants…. That’s NOTHING like a discussion 😵💫🤭😉
The only thing Flatzoid knows about any frames is how to delete them.
Yeah...11 of them if I remember correctly....
Need to ask Flatzoid if you turn a camera upside down & take a photo of the Horizon...
Is the Sky the Top?
or is the Sky the Bottom because the the camera was rotated?
Fraudzoid's IQ goes to minus eleven: 11 frames deleted.
@@shaneeslick That sounds like a job for Mikey Smith !
He knows how to put pictures in them but he gets confused as to which way to hang them. Upright, upside down or downside up or neither. He puts them on the floor. Easier
At this point flatzoid is just willfully misunderstanding things to keep up his lies. I do not believe that a grown up man could fail so badly at understanding basic concepts.
You give him too much credit. There are DEFINITELY real people who are actually this dumb, sadly.
'He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in' (Isaiah 40:22). Bottom line is one either believes the Creator...or men who reject Him.
It’s amazing that there are flat earthers all around the globe.
He's going to willfully misunderstand it, twist some words, cherrypick some definitions and say you just proved flat earth.
They're the same people who have figured out they get more engagement in the comment section by saying things they know to be false.
Operation Paper Clip. NASANAZI only took your imagination to the moon. Earth is flat and under attack
th-cam.com/video/PlZQv6ZR58c/w-d-xo.html
Failzoid is a proven liar and conman, He hates when you ask if he found those 11 frames he deleted.
Surprisingly, all Flat Earthers are just people who want to say what is wrong is right.
Before proving they failed every part of School, except for when it was something like Christian School or something.
None of these flat earth content creators believe the earth is actually flat. They just know that they are hopelessly unemployable in any career outside of making flat earth content so they lie and say the earth is flat.
When I have tried to discuss with flat earthers, it has usually ended with me thinking: "If I have to explain THIS, there is probably no point in continuing."
And there isn't.
As a teacher, i can tell you that you cannot teach people who don't have at least a slight interest in being taught. Learning is something that the student has to do. You can't "learn" someone else. You can create situations and surroundings which makes it easier for them to learn stuff. But the student is the person who has to do the learning. And if they are not interested in doing so, there is nothing you can do about it.
@@bertholdb9037 Easier to just shut your ears and ridicule the messenger.
@@redditsucksyo Not really. When you have to explain very simple principles to a moron just to start actually discussing how stupid the concept of a flat earth is, it's not worth the time.
Let me ask you a simple question that any flat earther should be able to answer. Why is it that a person in South America, South Africa and Australia can all look 'south' and see the same stars? This is not possible using the flat earth model. go ahead. ill wait.
@@bobafett5926 Boba Fett, nice username. I can see that you are into fiction.
@@redditsucksyo Can't answer the question I see. Stupid or coward?
I have noticed that many flerfers seem to struggle with concepts such as "frame of reference" or "relative to".
Without these concepts firmly understood a lot of what people try to teach them would seem wrong or meaningless.
'He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in' (Isaiah 40:22). Bottom line is one either believes the Creator...or men who reject Him.
The ISS actually does have an "up" and "down" although they are usually referred to as zenith and nadir. The ISS normally keeps the nadir side facing the Earth while the zenith side faces away from the Earth (LHLV). However, without gravity as a constant reminder of direction, the orientation to perform a task is usually done as whatever is most convenient at the time and may change as the task proceeds.
IMO you have that backwards... Zenith and nadir are concepts about orientation on (or near) a planet, so the ISS just names the side that _happens_ to be "towards zenith" as that, not because that was the side's "name" but because it points that way.
unrelated but i just noticed that those are both terraria weapons lol
@@eta2321where do you find nadir?
@@senatorarmstrong689 it’s in the calamity mod
Interestingly Mount Everest’s peak isn’t actually the farthest point from the center of the Earth. Due to the equatorial bulge, that honor instead belongs to Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador. In fact, there are 9 peaks “higher” than Mount Everest when measured this way :)
It's interesting that he never went into the other aspect of this, the lowest point on Earth. That would be hard to reconcile with his concept of up and down 🤔
Huh. Neat.
@@martinconnelly1473 A tangent plane from Death Valley or the Mariana Trench would make for some very interesting slices of above and below indeed.
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 try the Dead Sea.
Did you watch Thoughty2?
The "point of reference" is actually something alot of people has trouble with.
When you have a group of skydivers in free fall then sometimes you can get in to an argument (after the skydive), who was drifting.
One or more people might not fall straight down and the other has too keep up with this drift.
But who was drifting when you have no point of reference?
I remember being a videographer to a group and when they came down everyone was pointing at one guy drifting, but when we looked at the video we could see that I was positioned straight above this guy who was falling straight down and all the other was drifting away from us.
It was so hilarious to see their faces when they realized they where the ones drifting.
Ditto. I have sometimes had to chase a sliding base in a full track and they did not even realize they were sliding.
Ahah, to be honest, it's super difficult to know when you are drifting. Don't you have tools to see the drift during a fall?
@@OzoneGrif well you could have a GPS but it wouldn't be useful anyways.
Although it can be good to know who need to work on their body position after the skydive, but during the dive it's not really useful information
You have point of reference, point of reference is subject to who is viewing. There's always a point of reference in our reality.
@@blowc1612 context clues into the fact that they didn't have a singular shared point of reference was what he meant.
4:50 There's an Australian beer commercial from the 90s which flips the globe and the voice actor says: "And I reckon Down Under. Is On Top!"
It’s crazy that people in the 5th century knew the earth was round yet people in 2023 fail to grasp the concept
Watching flatzoid show how clueless he really is on FTFE's debate earlier this week was pure gold.
Dear CGI blue marble lovers. Keep in mind that astronomers cut the blue marble in half in order to map the stars😍 th-cam.com/video/ssb5c8N5m-Y/w-d-xo.html
Can't find it on FTFE's youtube channel, is there another place I can find it?
@@alt1579 it’s on his “live” tag in his channel. It’s two and a half hours (I think) of Flatzoid showing that, once you get to the deepest of the dumb, you can always dig a little bit more.
@@alt1579 try to look in the live tab. Sometimes it's there for some reason.
@@freefreepalestine360 That is hilarious. He doesn't think that you can measure angles of elevation on a sphere. Why anybody would consider that proof of anything other than a deficiency in education is a complete mystery.
Never quite sure if I should just laugh at or pity an adult struggling to understand stuff a primary schooler understands.
Problem is that they never do understand, and they think they have the truth. Worse yet is that they want their fantasy taught as fact in schools! I've known actual teachers who believe the earth is flat... Scarry it is, no?
I'm just glad it isn't a fellow American for once.
Flatzoid would have a heart attack seeing any space sim game footage. Especially dogfights or stations in games like elite
Flatzoid showing timelapse pics of a rotating Earth to prove his point of Earth being flat?
I just... I just can't even begin...
Flatzoid recently did a "debate" in which he put the title "dr" in front of his name. I'm sure he thinks it's funny and everything, but he's done nothing to even get close to earning the right to be referred to as "dr."
When I did science shows and taught in a planetarium, some people from the audience would sometimes try to call me "professor" or "doctor" or "scientist" or something, and I'd immediately correct them and tell them that I'm just someone who enjoys learning and teaching.
I just never wanted to give the impression that I was doing anything like what scientists do in the field.
He was mocking Professor Dave
@@vinnyconsolini488 So his motivation for fraud was pettiness? Great role model there.
It's an abbreviation for "Derrp".
He has a degree in Frame Removing from the Flat Earth Institute of Sciencering and a Doctorate in Advanced Flerfing from Uber Bigly Patriot Freedom Liberty University School College, The Shed, Oklahoma.
@@vinnyconsolini488 Then he should have used "professor". You don't have to earn a doctorate to be a professor. Professor is a job title, not an earned degree.
His axis tilt "argument" is a perfect example of two dimensional thinking. He's referring to a 90° angle and automatically referencing it to up and down. Tell you what Failzoid: draw a 90° angle on a piece of paper and put it on your table, now tell me where up or down is.
That assumes he knows how to draw a 90° angle lol. You’re overestimating him 😂
Damn I thought exactly the same thing
Hi Dave, when I was young I knew the earth is a sphere and then I got so indoctrinated in the flat earth conspiracy theory and I believed it. Then I got older and proved myself wrong and found out earth is a sphere again. I want to go to space to see the view and see the truth for myself. This videos helps me and everyone else. Thank you 😊 ❤
what was that one thing that made you know it was a globe for certainty? how did you prove it? just curious
@@acadian101 for your first question, what I knew was that we were told that we went to space and we had experiments to prove it. What made me think it was flat was because I was gullible and just kept watching flat earth videos. For your second question, how did I prove it, well technically speaking I started watching more flat earth videos and did my research and found out some flat earth videos weren’t telling the truth. What made me know it was a globe again? It was experiments done and explanations made by scientists and other smart people
@@hatlessjet7802 that is the craziest thing i've heard ,, how do you know the flat earth stuff you watch was genuine , there is tons of crap about flat earth that is made to seem like we dont know what we are talking about,,,so you NEVER actually proved you are on a globe , you are just taking someones word for it.instead of proving flat eart ,,, go out and try to PROVE the globe without using NASA , because whatever you come back with will be 99% cgi and nasa admits that ,,, look into the blue marble man,, every image youve ever seen of earth is CGI ,,, imagine that,
you think we travel at almost 500000 mph for millions of years and polaris NEVER moves at night ,,,night after night m year after year ,,how could that be if we are traveling at incredible speeds?
@@acadian101 ok so first off there is no evidence of the videos being chi and secondly there are plenty of experiments and scientific explanations that prove we live on a globe
@@acadian101 the reason why I’m not sold on this is because gps comes from satellites
What a fucking time to be alive when you have to teach adults where the ground is
And also teach how nasa is faking everything
I've been saying this for years. The root of every flerfs misunderstanding is the assumption of the conceptual perspective of "up" and "down" for what it really is, "away from" and "towards" a gravitational center. They believe "up and down" to be a singular, parallel direction.
Every single flerf's model collapses the moment the basic fact of gravitational center is no longer ignored.
If you really want to melt their minds, tell them that the earth is, in fact, above the sun since the sun is at the center of the gravity well influencing the earth.
I wonder if they also have a problem with left and right. (not the political...)
Newtonion Gravity was disproven in 2019. Keep hiding behind the backs of THEY say so. You don't know anything without being told.
@@jjevans1693 actually, Newtonian gravity was technically disproven by Einstein in the early 20th century, but the difference only becomes significant on the astrophysics scale. I’d be interested to see your citation, but it currently remains that gravity, in general, is an established scientific fact. (Edited because I somehow addressed the reply to the wrong person)
@@jjevans1693 You mean ignored, not disproven.
its both baffling and saddening that any of this needs to be explained
Some people don't want to get it, so they will deny deny deny until they can't.
@@andrejg4136 And then they will do the "flerf reset" and erase all knowledge of debunks and corrections of their straw-man arguments from their mind and start parroting the same old crap again.
I'm not a very smart person: but even i find that out for myself.
"What a way to state the obvious, genius" said the man who's entire framework of reality revolves around refusing to understand the obvious, just as the round Earth revolves around the Sun.
I love that he is using a globe as a reference for "up" and "down"
Often it isn't that they "don't understand", it is that they don't want to understand. If Flatzoid wasn't in such a grip of a cult mindset, I'm sure he would be able to grasp the concept quite easily.
However, he is in a flat Earth cult, his purpose is to defend that cult he is in (as the cult is his identity) and his brain clearly struggles to think through anything which contradicts his identity, as it is jarring, so it makes-pretend as some kind of coping mechanism to make actual reality go away. Either that, or he is an outright grifter.
If he isn't a grifter and actually has some ounce of integrity, he would acknowledge that he might be wrong (he is wrong!) and start to question what he is actually doing. But alas, the cult grip is obviously too strong and he really doesn't care what the truth is. His entire world would collapse if he ever recognised how foolish he has been.
The thing is though that if he ever did give his head a wobble and found the strength to unravel himself from the cult, people would not be laughing at him for being conned and getting things wrong. They'd support him for breaking free.
However, by putting out videos like the one shown here, people will definitely keep laughing at the foolishness. The choice is his, should he ever be able to park the ego for long enough to self-reflect.
I think he’s fake and knows the earth is round
@@scottphilips8514 It wouldn't surprise me if he was. The choice is often either A) Delusional and brainwashed into a cult, or B) Grifter in it for easy money and boosting their ego by having followers crackers enough to sit and listen to his twaddle for four hours.
Both options are not good. It's the people who have fallen into depression and despair and fear in their lives, who get sucked into these things I feel the most sorry for. And their families. Grifters who exploit them make me sick.
I am reasonably certain he is just stupid. Either that or a really good actor- because in this video, he appears to have a serious I.Q. deficit.
this video explains this behaviour very well th-cam.com/video/NxqTOm3TzsY/w-d-xo.html
You're right. It's also likely an addiction too. Lies lead to lies. Chasing the dragon.
Flerfs have issues with up and down. I always get a chuckle when they say rivers can’t flow up the side of the globe because of gravity.
I believe some of them totally lack the ability to visualize a 3-dimensional object, and mistakenly reject anything that uses it. . They should actually try this test where you have to count the stacked cubes in a picture while assuming they exist if they are out of sight. I think all flat earthers that really believe it have massive problems with this.
Wouldn't that be contradicting themselves since they don't believe gravity is real?
@@budman4224
Everything a FEr says is contradictory. 😂
In the way he presented it no. He is trying to show how the globe cannot work in his eyes. Typical FEr always trying to disprove the globe rather than prove FE. Anyway he rivers flowing north over the equator, the Nile was his example, is impossible because gravity would prevent the water from flowing “up over the curve of the globe”, even tho the Nile starts it flow north of the equator. 🤷🏻♂️
So he was saying that gravity works north to south, therefore the Nile would not be able to flow in the direction that it does. So he seems to think the north is up and south is down. Whereas everyone who lives in reality knows that above our heads is up and below our feet is down.
Level is not the curve of the ground. It is the curve of the physics.
They don't say that they believe that. They're trying to get ball lovers to actually understand what they're supposed to believe. If we live on a spinning, wobbling, tilted space ball
The flat earthers must admire the absolute monster of a CGI team that could produce the watch effect at 9:04, in real-time too. Look at it, the way it moves after he does, and it has inertia. It would be cheaper and easier to fly someone into space.
Every day, I wake up and give thanks that I'm not so fucking stupid that I think the earth is flat
Every time I go into an Outback Steakhouse and see the upside down map, I have to think that it blows a flat Earther's mind.
reminds me of the "Callahan's place" books by Spider Robinson, the tavern had a backwards clock. (the numbers reversed, like a mirror)
they called it the Counterclock...
Why?
@@vinnyconsolini488 I'd suggest that if you couldn't tell what time it was displaying then you'd had enough to drink.
@@CD_Character what?? Am I missing comments?
@@vinnyconsolini488 Oops. I was suggesting why a bar (and I've seen one in a bar) would put such a clock on the wall. And I didn't mean "you" specifically.
I'm always amused by how much meaning and stock some people will put into innocuous phrases, such as "Land Down Under."
I mean if you don't have any real arguments you cling on to things like this...
If Flat Earthers want to take "Land Down Under" literally like that, shouldn't they be arguing that Australia is on the bottom-side of the disk? How else could it be "under" anything else?
@@dennislaffeybecause there arguments are fluid and are modified on the fly
@@dennislaffey They aren't thinking about constructing any kind of consistent model. They're thinking about childish "gotcha" questions.
It's called grasping at straws.
Flat earthers will call you brainwashed after watching a 4 hour yt video…
The irony…
Flat earth is the epitome of “I don’t understand it, therefore it doesn’t exist.”
"I don't understand it, therefore I will make it up myself"
The biggest issue for flat earthers is gravity. It’s such a thorn in their side that when they try to explain how stuff works on a flat earth their explanations and logic just falls over in a massive heap
Start with the idea that _every particle is gravitationally attracted to every other particle,_ and go from there.
You end up with spheres of matter (with a mass above a certain size), and relative up and down directions, depending on the gravity field _(frame of reference)_ you're in. That field in turn depends on the amount of matter (particles) all around you, with every one of them pulling on you.
Yeah, it is surprising how well modern physics (If you count 17th century as modern) explains nearly all of the stuff we observe with very few basic principles to start off. It is similarly surprising how flat earth doesn't explain anything, at all, and needs constantly shifting models that always explain exactly one thing, but completely fail to explain other stuff.
Nice explaination, thanks
Flerf's do not believe in the "just-a-theory" of gravity.
Like persons pondering the swirling of the water in their sinks and bathtubs-swirling that reverses direction when we cross the equator.
I'd love to see flat earthers show where is the Top and the Bottom of a golf ball.
Good point there 👍
It's amazing that Flerfs cannot comprehend something as basic as a 3 dimensional frame of reference.
The clip from the ISS made me wonder if flat earthers ever tried to adress anything observed in those video's. Like for instance the weightlessness... or am I going to be dissapointed and their answer is: "it's fake".
Flat Earther:
"Your question is fake."
ISS astronauts hang on wires in front of green screens inside and EVAs outside are in NASA's pool.
Probably something about realtive density and how very high up above the disk, density is so low that you become weighless, because that's definitely how density works.
I have heard them say that it is all filmed in a Vomit Comet.
I am yet to find out how they can film an hour long sequence in the VC
Exactly, "all CGI", "everything is a movie", BS
Wow! All the photos he showed where north is at the top has north at the top! Incredible!
Also, it turns out that all M&M's are green, strictly based the collection of green M&Ms that I selected!
Funny, mine are all brown with Ws on them!
flat earthers are a good example of how a 2d person might think.
I can't believe that this actually needs to be explained to some people.
It's not only up and down he doesn't understand.
He also struggles with Clockwise and Anti Clockwise. (As demonstrated in his "debate" with Catz).
That's another convention, like North is at the top of maps. If you got into contact with an alien race far away and you could only converse in words, how do you explain clockwise and anticlockwise. You can't use words like right or left as they are also conventions. It would be like trying to have a logical conversation with a flerf, just about impossible.
@@martinconnelly1473 An intelligent alien species would be able to create a translated word for the idea at least though.
@@johnathon007 The point is you may be able to explain the concept of clockwise and anticlockwise, but you could not explain which rotation is clockwise because you have to use other words like left and right. You then have the problem of explaining which side is left and so on.
@@martinconnelly1473 So you assume the alien wouldn't have a similar concept to equate with?
@@johnathon007 Not at all. The issue is how do you explain which rotational direction you mean by clockwise? Explain clockwise to me without using left and right since they are not definable without reference to other relative concepts. We know what clockwise is because we have a convention for the direction clock hands rotate around the clock face. Imagine an electric motor with the shaft sticking out at both ends. At one end it looks like it is going clockwise, viewed from the other it is going counter-clockwise. So two different people could describe the same thing in two different ways.
Interesting fact with Up and Down on spacecraft/ISS. While up and down is still generally arbitrary in space, spacecraft and the ISS generally are designed with a dominate up/down direction at least within each module. This is just because it makes it easier for the people inside to process and navigate the surroundings. As in the video you showed most of the computers/panels has are to the astronaut's left and right (in the camera's reference frame). Though they will still make use of "floor/ceiling" space for less frequent stuff.
A professor when I was in grad school told a story (not sure if true) that during Skylab they tried to design a section with out any concern for keeping an up/down orientation, to optimize the use of the space (I think it was the controls area for the Apollo Telescope Mount). As such panels were in all sorts of orientations, while in theory it "worked" the Astronauts apparently disliked being in that area as it was disorienting and gave them headaches. The story may be apocryphal, as a quick search didn't uncover anything to confirm my professors story. But do think it's still helpful in illustrating how the human factor can introduce a need for a dominate local up/down, especially in a designed environment (such as a spacecraft). Even if there is no "true" up/down.
Even if apocryphal, it sounds like a lesson learned at some point that we humans have evolved in an environment with up and down directions (and a floor to stand on). It might be learned, but it might also be hard-wired (there's maybe some research using animals done about this).
I've just learnt the Roubix Cube. To make it easier, I always have to re-orientate it after every algorithm. That's how humans work, we need direction. Which is why flat earth channels must be challenged. They prey on vulnerable people!
Ahhh but he says space is fake
Of course, having an up and down in the ISS/Skylab also makes it easier for the folks constructing them on the earth, otherwise the constructors would be treading on instrumentation on the "floor".
@@gowdsake7103 normal flat earth rules, don't talk about flat earth, but if you must talk about flat earth, talk about the globe!
I don't understand what is so hard to understand. A basketball ball doesn't have a top, bottom or sides but at with a frame of reference any place on the ball can be perceived as the top, bottom or sides. It's not complicated.
One good thing about flat eathers, though, is that iit gives the rest of us a reason to brush up on our physics and natural sciences.
The famous phrase is I became a flat earther trying to debunk flat earth and prove the globe. You end up proving globe lies
@@Globeisahoaxxthat literally never happened. But go to the beach and not only will you not see the ice wall, but you can see the curvature for yourself
@@Smeik100 where did I say I will see ice wall. You tripping
@@Globeisahoaxx okay, but why cannot I see the North Pole from the North sea, but I see a curvature?
@@Smeik100 do you see Arctic barrier?
The funniest thing to me about their idea of up and down is based on their view of a map, but when you are actually standing on the earth and think of up, you look directly into the sky so “up” is looking toward space and down is looking at the ground no matter where on the globe you are. I never understood how they confuse north and south for up and down? And in space there is no up or down. It’s all relative to your perspective and position
It's because of the north=up bias from living in the northern hemisphere and always seeing maps oriented with north being up.
I think you are misunderstanding their argument (The argument is still shit, though). They start at the assumption that there is an absolute "up" and "down" direction. Following from that, they try to show that a globe would be absurd. And that does indeed logically follow. If there were an absolute "up" and "down", with a force that generally pulls stuff "down" (or something like that), then we would indeed not have globes, and their arguments would make some sense.
The core problem with this is not the reasoning, but the starting assumption not being connected to the real world. Some of the weird stuff they are doing is motivating that insane assumption.
There is up and down in space, but there is no weight or pressure gradient in a free fall.
When I flew to New Zealand, the moon in the Netherlands was like a C in the sky - on the way it turned to a kind of U. In reality, of course, I turned and the moon remained stable
Mind boggling that there is people who believe that Earth is flat. Like it blows my mind. 🤯
Expecting flat earthers to understand reference frames is like expecting dogs to understand colours
Dogs can see yellow & blue
@@dontforgetyoursunscreen TIL the rainbow only contains yellow and blue?
Really like your videos. Your civil, personable and rational presentation is very refreshing in a space rife with childish name-calling and schoolyard trash-talking.
Word! I couldn't agree more.
I have praised him for this same thing more than a few times.
I agree 👍
Well said Dave. Flatzoid is trying hard to not get it.
...because if he DID get it then his religious position would become untenable.
I just watched the "up and down" show, and I'm confused. They showed pictures of earth from space, but I thought they thought you couldn't get into space.
Irony is a Flat Earther that uses the ISS as part of a proof.
So he uses photos of a 3d earth in one of those pictures it was shown rotating.Proving a globe earth this guy is truly special
Oh boy! Fresh video. His mimicking is definitely amusing, just as amusing as his completely inability to understand what references are.
I look forward to his video debunking your debunking of him and the subsequent Part 2: Flat Boogaloo.
The toy sheep matched his toy mind. He doesn't have a real animal or any real ideas. The irony is palpable.
Asking "Where is the top of the Earth" on a Globe is like asking "Where is the South Pole" on the popular flat Earthers' North Polar Projection map.
One thing I like about 'Star Trek The Next Generation' is that going into orbit about some strange planet, the space ship is often viewed being, 'up side down' in relation to the plant.
So the upper decks can watch out of the window and see the planet I assume
Of course.@@Smeik100
Flat-earthers are like 7th graders who think they know everything, but actually know next to nothing, arguing with their science teacher. They are delusional
It's called down under because it's roughly 12,700 km down under the feet of an euro-centric world. That's also the reason why the antipode islands are called just that. Those are even closer to where you'd show up if you could dig straight down. So it's not about the position on a map, but rather quite literally the orientation on the globe as seen from Europe.
It's called Australia because it's south of the equator, though. It's Latin for south land.
@Lone Tech Terra Australis.
A friend of mine once spent several minutes trying to explain how the globe model falls apart because that model had lots of rivers flowing upwards. At first I was confused to what he was talking about, then I realized he thought North was up.
I kept thinking "he can't be this stupid can he??". Then I remembered that he actually believes the earth is flat...
During the Apollo 11 mission, there was an exchange between Collins and Armstrong where Collins said something like "You're looking good there Eagle, aside from being upside down" where Neil replied "One of us is!"
In space it's all relative.
in space it's all fake.
If you're trying to land a craft of the moon I don't think "upside down" is entirely arbitrary....
Trust me I've played enough KSP to know you want to land with the landing gears facing the moon XD (Well Mun in my case)
Fun Fact: Colin Hay of Men at Work, who famously sang "I Come From a Land Down Under" - is actually from Scotland!
Which on the famous "upside down" Australia world map ... it is!
About the ISS, there is also the factor that it was a station built by humans, for humans, so for us, its quite convenient to have the space we are located have an up and down orientation, it helps us situate ourselves. So the ISS is purposefully built to look like it has an up direction. There are lights only on one side, most of the instruments are placed AWAY from the lights, because on earth, where we evolved for millions of years, we have gravity to establish what is up and what is down, but in space we could get very easily lost. Also there are some bigger modules going up that will have multi-lighting systems precisely to allow more uses of it because working near the light sources is both annoying and confusing
Lol this is on the level of "if the earth is round than why don't Australians stand on their head?" XD
"Why don’t americans stand on their head"* lol.
I always thought long range naval gunfire calculation (in which they must account for the curvature of the earth at extreme ranges) is a strong argument because their lives sort of depend on being accurate.
It's been said many times, but flerfers really have trouble understanding 3 dimensions. Flatzoid has just showed it to be true.
To be fair, Flatzoid has trouble understanding 2 dimensions.
unrelated....i found someone on some random Alien/ufo facebook page that popped up on my wall who: wasnt a flat earther, but was arguing that pyramids were alien because the grrat pyramid is at the center of land mass of the world.
I was like, "you do realize earth is spherical and the center point depends on what angle you are looking at the planet."
i had to look this up, because it didnt make sense to me. turns out it was the center of the earth on a particular map drawing.. but fails because the dimensions of continents and poations on the projected map were wrong. lol.
its amazing how little thought people givd something that they prescribe their lives and beliefs to.
They heard it from some goober and took it as face value
Just show him a picture of the earth 'upside down' and ask him which way is up. His logic here escapes me.
Just as a side note, have anyone ever noticed that in sci-fi space movies, they always seem to have a universal up? When ships encounter each other in space, they are always oriented the same way. I kinda find it comical that they ignore that.
I am always amazed people can consume FE arguments without losing it. I applaud anyone who can. It reminds me so much of listening to my 3yo reasoning through some goofy imaginary scenario. With adults I take it as a challenge to find some way understand how they are just so confused. What do they do during the day. I sometimes struggle at work but I can’t imagine how these people get to work.
RIght? I just wanted to chuck my monitor everytime Flatzoid came on screen
They have basic work mainly physical labor, but a lot of them are unemployed and that's why they gotta grift. You won't find a single flerf working a job that demands critical thinking, if they say they do, they're lying. Gotta lie to flerf.
It's likely the attention people like you give them, fills a need and is motivation to act like they've never actually used their brain.
@@timboatfield they're just really dumb
@@timboatfield wait so you’re saying it’s our fault that the people believe in stupid stuff?
I can't even believe this is a point that has to be addressed.
Keep on doing your great work. No wonder they think the world isn't ready to learn the truth about Aliens with these people around.
Alone the thought, that you can use a picture as a reference for up and down is hillarious.
He also said that Google was a "reference" lol. They just can't compute what a reference frame is.
Stop referencing "Australia", it's a fake country. I should know, I live here.
The most hilarious aspect of this is:
Flatzoid is arguing in favor of a flat earth, by using a globe model of earth to show that “part of the earth is facing down.”
Like all arguments for a flat earth there is 0 consistency.
I find it scary that some of these people operate large machinery & motor vehicles!
And vote in elections.
@@jimsmith7212 implying that voting changes anything.. keep thinking that you matter, because you don't.
@@redditsucksyo
My vote helped tRump lose and recently helped make the U.S. Senate Democratically controlled and minimize the losses in the House.
Republicans are heavily invested in voter suppression because they know votes count.
I'll keep voting, thank you.
@@jimsmith7212 demopublicans and republicats. the US is totally under the control of freemasons and zionists anyway, you have the choice between coke and pepsi, both of which causes diabetes and tooth decay, of course you have some artificial sweeteners in there as well which increases the risk of cancer, but those are essentially your choices.
Flerfs: "NASA lies and their images are all CGI!"
Also Flerfs: "Look how these images from NASA prove my point!"
That is a nice strawman you constructed there, would be a shame if anyone pointed it out.
@@redditsucksyo Can you explain why putting two short descriptions of easily observable facts close to each other to emphasize their contradictory content could be considered a strawman argument?
@@thedishonorableparasite Here is another observable fact: We can't observe the curve, water finds its level, laser experiments proves that there is no curve as for what a strawman means since you seem to be lacking in the upstairs department: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted. : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction.
@@redditsucksyo I did't ask what a strawman argument is. I assume that you simply didn't understand the question and did not deliberately misrepresent what I wrote. But thanks anyway. :)
@@thedishonorableparasite No, you didn't ask, but clearly you didn't know what it means which is why i decided to lecture you.
The irony that these people think they're out-smarting everyone is hysterical.
It's always funny to see how flerfs always fails, not only to prove their flat Earth, but prove the globe Earth.
Maybe this is a way to get them to understand the concept of relative directions: instead of up & down, look at north & south on the AE map. Put yourself 1 m away from the north pole, looking north. Put a buddy 2m in front of you, also looking north. _Both_ you and they are looking north, but you're facing each other! North is a different direction for different people even in their own model.
Oh who am I kidding, of course they'll fail to understand that too.
HAHAHA you positioned the commenting just right so that the last sentence does not show until one clicks "Read more". Nicely done. Thank you for the laugh.
Of course you failed to understand that applies on flat Earth🤣🤣 Because you get your flat earth information from TH-cam's paid shills that purposely misrepresent opposing arguments, you don't even actually understand the real model. Why would that "debunk" the shape of the earth? You've been tricked into being disconnected from God, my brother.
You can determine the shape of the Earth in any of these 3 ways: a) Read the Bible, b) Go outside and look around, or c) Do any scientific experiment to support a globe Earth (curvature, unlevel water, gravity, etc). When I say scientific experiment, that means using the scientific method - a vital process that has been thrown away in order to pass along this pseudoscience through school systems (via Neil Degrasse Tyson).
@@vinnyconsolini488 _"Of course you failed to understand that applies on flat Earth"_
Failed to understand that _what_ applies on flat Earth? That the directions of North and South for different people can be in opposite directions? Yes _of course_ I understand that. That was my whole point. The question is whether flatearthers can understand it.
_"you don't even actually understand the real model. "_
Okay, so what _is_ the real model? If it's not the AE map or something similar, then what is it?
@@cearnicus your post was "this works on the globe and not the FE model, therefore globe. Duh." So clearly you didn't get that part lmao
If you wanna see the Flat Earth map, look at the United Nations logo...
@@vinnyconsolini488 a) A book written by humans claiming to have been inspired by an invisible, inaudible being that only they could interact with is not a credible source.
(a)(1) the bible does not state that the earth is flat, but again, this is not relevant as per (a)
b) Take your own suggestion. Practice what you preach. By traveling north and south and observing the motions of the stars and planets, as well as the sun and moon, it is readily discernible that the earth is a sphere. Also this is doable by observing the changes in seasons (and relative lack thereof as one nears the equator), and several other methods.
c) Again, take your own advice. Do the same experiment that Eratosthenes did to demonstrate the earth is a sphere over 2,000 years ago. There are website which compile the results of every time others have done this and submitted them, all yielding the same results.
"You can determine the shape of the Earth in any of these 3 ways: a) Read the Bible, b) Go outside and look around, or c) Do any scientific experiment to support a globe Earth (curvature, unlevel water, gravity, etc). When I say scientific experiment, that means using the scientific method - a vital process that has been thrown away in order to pass along this pseudoscience through school systems (via Neil Degrasse Tyson)."
11:37 "Leave your thoughts down below ...." That's going to confuse Flatzoid even more.
Yeah, they're not used to thoughts.
When he mentioned the tilt deviation from 90° as an argument to discredit you, I actually physically face palmed 🤦🏼♂️🙄🤣🤣🤣
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