Lawsuit For Seatbelt Ticket Ended In $200,000
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EDIT: The grade issued to the officer is a means to highlight the fact that the law may be flawed. As I said in the editorial section of this episode, the officer followed the law as it is written, and that alludes to grander problems within Florida's legislation. The real issue here is the language of the law, not the conduct of the officer (in regards to Florida's fleeing statute).
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I would respectfully disagree with your assertion that the law states one must immediately stop. I understand that the case law leans in this direction (at least in fla), but finding a better location has been used (not sure what states) as a successful defense from fleeing charges. The subject also did a pretty good job at communicating that decision.
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*"formerly we suffered from criminals and their crimes, now we suffer from laws and their coward costumed rapist, thug coproach "enforcers"* ..." -
I love the complete insanity and dystopian vibe of pulling a gun on a man, making him get on his knees, handcuffing him and then calmly telling him "Okay sir the reason I pulled you over today was you seemed to not be wearing a seatbelt. Do you have your license, insurance and registration?" It's absurd enough to have happened to Michael Scott on The Office.
gun pulled for fleeing, not seatbelt.
@@DaveDepilot-KFRG 🤣🤣
There is actually something wrong with you.
Be very careful in giving a badge and a gun to somebody who can take your life "legally".
@@DaveDepilot-KFRG 👅 🥾
Pigs will be pigs.
Cop “You never stopped”
Citizen “Then how the hell are we having this conversation?”
My thoughts when watching this
You never stopped immediately thats is why
@@punchigames1965 so he did stop. Right?
@@punchigames1965 words matter it’s always amazing how when a person says it everyone’s like well he admitted to it. When a cop says something (well you understood what he meant)
I wonder how many Mississippi’s you have to count before it’s fleeing?? I mean, ONE MINUTE gets you a gun to your face! God forbid he turn a corner!
Mr. Black tells him he’s a counselor; the response is a semi-shocked “you’re a COUNSELOR?!” Yes, officer, they allow that now in this state.
Maybe by counselor, the cop thought he meant lawyer?
I was hoping that he was a lawyer.
Reminds me of City Slickers: "Yesssss... we're black, AND we're dentists."
@@Fister_of_Muppets ? 🤔
Cop probably thought that "conselor" meant that Mr. Black was an attorney.
I don’t know why I watch these videos, it just gets my blood boiling.
Just watch other clips of cops crying over dead officer that’s always soothing and healing lol. Hating them isn’t a crime yet.
Same but I think everyone should be watching and learning about the huge problem in the US. Also, at first glance at your name I thought it was Mia Khalifa 😂
Same. I realized I have to pace myself and quit when I feel it starting to make my insides heat up.
@@operationlull3742 do you realize how fucked up that is!? Those video's ARE PEOPLE it's not even the same cops from the videos you hate so much! Who the hell raised you to believe it's ok too watch someone mourn AS ENTERTAINMENT! I honestly don't even know what else to say... Do better...
@@JacobJones2148 lol no amount of mockery or laughing at these pigs would equalize the amount of power they have and all the injustices done by these pigs who CHOOSE to be part of a violent enforcement job for the ruling class. Calm down even if I hate these pigs and this country it won’t have an impact on the lives they ruin or the people they beat, kill and rob.
“Get out” “I can’t my seatbelt on” 😂😂
*Understandable, have a nice day.*
@@manuelpatterson8002 That would be the case if the police operated under the law they are supposed to uphold.
Not funny bro
@@jamiewashington1053 it is funny😂😂😂
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This happened to me in the 90s before bodycams & cell phones. I was pulled over a half mile from my house, we lived in the country at the time. There were no other houses for miles. I decided to keep driving until I got home like i mentioned earlier it was approximately a half mile. I turned on my hazard lights & kept my speed steady. The second I turned into my drive, the officer litterally jumped out of his car before it even came to a complete stop. He preceeded on going ballistic he started cussing me calling me names & and saying the only places woman should be aloud was the kitchen & bedroom. Then, he proceeded searching me made me shake out my bra & hold it out so he could see my breast. I was scared to death, horrified & humiliated. He put me in hand cuffs & leaned into my body for like 5 minutes it fealt like a lifetime. He told me repeatably he was arresting me for fleeing & i was going to love, love, jail. I started crying & he told me to dry my tears or he would give me somthing to cry about. I seriously thought he was going to rape & kill me that day.. While he was searching my car my husband & brother pulled up. My brother saw me crying & ask me what happend. My husband ask the officer what happened & if he had a warrant to search my vehicle he told my husband he was not searching & that he was simply retreaving my registration...! To tie this up...! After my husband arrived & started questioning him he decided to let me go with a warning. He unhanscuffed me & left. The next time I saw him was in court when i decided to sue him. After the city lost the lawsuit the officer eventually resigned from the department. I received a settlement for $69,000 after attorney fees ect...! After my ordeal I decided to return to college. I received my Bachelors degree in criminal justice & 9 years later, I received my Masters degree in Psychology with a minor in criminal Psychology...! I didnt drive for 2 years after this ordeal & even when i did start driving again i was terrified eveytime I saw an officer.. Something like this does something to a person. It scares them & takes away their since of security & trust...! Unfortunately not alot has changed since ny ordeal, we now have better technology, but police misconduct is still a major problem to this very day...!!!
Dude Jesus Christ, so sorry that happened to you. Glad you got that settlement though
I know this comment was 8 months ago but I couldn’t keep scrolling without telling you I am so sorry for your trauma. That is a terrifying experience.
You’re amazing for how you have used that experience to move forward in your life with a true purpose.
So the cop is "concerned" for the guy's safety in not wearing a seatbelt.
Points his gun at the guy.
Oh and he was in fact wearing his seat belt
the seatbelt is the fake concern excuse
the real concern is for "officer safety" so we see a gun, handcuffs and confrontational cop attitude.
That's their dirty excuses 😤 always
Lord Tony Did you watch the video? The gun and handcuffs were for trying to elude the cop - not the seatbelt infraction. In they end they let him off for the eluding charge although under Florida law they could have charged him because it states he must stop immediately.
@@karagi101- I'll have to remember that "immediately" part. The instant the lights and siren go on I'm stomping that brake pedal to the firewall. The car may refuse to stop immediately, skidding a few yards, so I guess I'll get a gun brandished at me anyway.
Al Grayson Yeah, the narrator did point out it’s a stupid Florida law but Florida’s courts have upheld that immediate means stop now (braking distance doesn’t count).
I can't stomach this kind treatment, especially over not wearing a seat belt! Police are arseholes for treating people like this!
That's not the reason why the cop was suspicious of him. He drove around for a full minute instead of pulling right over---that would definitely make me weary if I was a cop wondering what he's been doing / hiding in the car during that time.
Handcuffed!!!! REALLY?????
Some people are unfit to be police. If you give them any bit of power, they WILL abuse it
@@SEANPOL203 The cop had a right to be concerned. They seemed to be in a quiet residential area with little to no traffic, where the driver could've pulled right over, but he didn't. He (slowly) drove around for a whole minute doing / hiding who knows what while the cop likely repeatedly asked him to pull over during that time. That right there is a great way to get the police both upset AND even more suspicious of you.
@@factchecker2719 and this why police are scum in the USA and end up being killed
The way this officer immediately introduced the word "fleeing" says that this is a tactic they use all the time because they know they can get away with it.
I pray dufour gets it back in spades ... him and the families who trained him to be a RACIST and who joyfully encouraged his behavior. May KARMA strike those he cares about!!
Word are just semantics, you can’t base how someone reacts based on words
@@ellareece4172I don't think the officer was racist he never said anything along the lines of white power.
@@rivernunly1764that’s not the only racism
@@zThaRipper7 you are correct but my argument is when did he say something racist or trying to do anything that "proved" racial superiority
How can you give that cop a B for drawing a deadly weapon on him without ANY proof that he was armed?
If the driver started opening the door without being told to do so then it was totally justified. We'll never know since the audio didn't start until after he started opening the door. Had he sat in his seat with his hands at 10&2 on the steering wheel then this probably would have been a relatively chill stop.
@@JoeMac1983 Not true. There's no way they would've done this to a white person.
He doesn’t need proof. The fact the the driver didn’t stop immediately is reason enough to approach the vehicle with gun drawn.
Because he didn’t stop for a whole minute.
Mechanic - So you don’t want any police?
"You're a counselor?" Did you hear the surprise in his voice?
He wanted him to say unemployed
He wanted him to say he's a drop out who sells weak ass weed.
Right, “you’re more productive than me?”
@@manuelpatterson8002 lol
The way I the guy is talking, I was surprised to. The dude said "I'm at work" like 100 times. Came off like he was on drugs.
I want to know how this cop feels he is justified pulling this guy out of his car and putting him on his knees in handcuffs if the first place!!! This is outrageous from the very beginning.
Tell me you don't understand the law without telling me you don't understand the law. Lol
Dude committed a felony by fleeing. It became a felony stop. And therefore guns will br drawn. Period.. No matter what state you live in.
@Soul ByThePound compassion is not meant for cowards or weaklings. For these people they're too unconscious to realize they just want needless control. There's no freedom in my country mainly specifically thanks to these cops. I served for nothing. The bad apples effectively spoiled the bunch because there is not enough accountability. Fuck the 🐖 oinkers.
@Soul ByThePound
Don't sweat it, @*** simply wants to make it seem like he knows the law, talkin bout "tell you don't know the law without telling me you don't know the law". He just repeat what he hears others say.
@@ava9oh1282000 savage
1) Because he's black 2) driving an old car 3) Did stop IMMEDIATELY therefore DID NOT OBEY or respect the officer 4) drawing weapon was not required (after a few minutes the officer was boiling over with hatred) 5) On your knees is a power trip. 6) Handcuffs the same power trip. (You will RESPECT my AUTHORITY!) 7) Mr Black covered the misuse of drugs, smells, and searching his car excellently. OMG this is an educated black guy, the worst! We wish him every success in court!
The officer pulled a gun on someone he wanted to pull over for not wearing a seat belt and pulling over fast enough!He deserves an F! That is DANGEROUS
Exactly.
He went all-in expecting a fight, but all he got was compliance and kindness... Sad.
Happened to me when I got stopped. Was behind a truck and couldn't see the light had turned red. Cop approached my window with his gun drawn and pretty hostile. It was pretty bizarre, and he calmed down when I answered him calmly. Guess it's on the citizens to de-escalate these days.
Sad indeed, unfortunately the citizen de escalated it, instead of the other way around.
I wouldn't call it "kindness", but rather normal and willing "compliance" (under duress).
I remember when there was a cop stopping and raping women at night and so the city's police dept put out an advisory that if you're being stopped at night by the police, PLEASE stop at a safe, public and lighted area. Talk about mixed signals!
i got reprimanded for not stopping on a 2 lane, one each way highway, waiting to pull over in the next rest stop. or side street so I didnt have to block half a lane with a one ton truck. The police officer was all angry for a bit, because he felt disrespected but i stuck to my story, then he let up and just focused on my license plate lights out. I got a warning, and he said next time just pull over right away, I still dont think I will in the future. Better safe than sorry, sorry your feelings got hurt officer.
Where was that? I just wanna look up the story
@@huare7946 I’m not exactly sure what city they are talking about but cases like that has happened in Maryland and in Georgia recently if you wanna look up the story
So based on this interpretation of the fleeing statute, what constitutes fleeing?? Not stopping immediately regardless of surroundings, place, road conditions??? Sounds like some common sense seriously needs to be imparted here.
I don't know which states allow it but in california you don't have to pull over and can wait until your in a more public location.
As audit the audit said florida law says they have to pull over immediately.
@@faytleingod1851 Ah...dumbass Florida again. If only the State of Florida hadn't violate the rights of thousands in 2000 the world would likely be in a better place, especially for blacks and browns and 1 million dead Iraqis.
I was pulled over for speeding twice and unbuckled my seatbelt to reach in my glovebox to get my registration and insurance since I knew I’d have to give it to the officer. I got an additional ticket both times for “not wearing a seatbelt” when both times I had it on but the officers claimed I wasn’t wearing it since it wasn’t on when they walked up to my car. Both times I told them I just unbuckled it to get my registration and both said, “That’s what everybody says”. After the second time I realized that was a sneaky and trifling tactic they use to give out extra tickets and make more money for the city. So, just a word of advice, keep your seatbelt on through the entire stop.
“Get out of the car.” “I can’t I have my seatbelt on.” Boom case solved.
yea its on video he had it on, cop lied, he will win that lawsuit and that another ex cop ;)
@@ChimsThoughts the officer ALREADY had his gun drawn and pointed directly at Black, Black opening his door before being instructed by the officer and it could of been interpreted as a threat, THEN Black reached down to unbuckle his belt. this could of ended very differently over a supposed seatbelt violation. dead black man and cop has video of black fleeing and then reaching out of view.
@@fomhuynh7894 I think the reason Black opened the door was to show his hands, so the officer wouldn't shoot. Not that that ever stopped an officer from shooting a black man.
@@fomhuynh7894 right smh...
i thought the same but he could of easily buckled it while not pulling over. I doubt he did but people do that all the time.
pointing a gun for a seat belt, we are all told to go slowly to a safe spot
C from me because the officer is not using his seatbelt, for me this voids the stop altogether.
Lol dude is on a residential street. Take forever to pull over? yeah you might get drawn upon.
ricky Hazel Most officers don’t wear a seat belt, unless driving on the highway or at a high speed, as to get out quickly if something happens or someone needs help. I don’t disagree that it isn’t safe for the officer, but in the capacity they operate I feel like it’s not a fair thing claim a traffic stop null and void over.
Brianna O'Donnell
It’s called HYPOCRISY.
Driver had his seatbelt on.. it was a bogus stop!
"A Counselor? who's your client?" really... officer? really? that's an illegal question.
Yep. And did you hear the surprise in the cop's voice? Kind of leads one to believe the stop was indeed targeted and had nothing to do with a seatbelt.
Cops don't care about HIPAA lmao
HIPPA? Come on officer.
@@BenjaminKuruga I mean... if you answer the question, they will just report the violation and you probably lose your job because of it, there's a reason why there's a video about a lawyer telling people to never talk to a police officer, other than what's necessary.
The question isn't illegal to ask, but him answering it would have been a HIPPA violation. Either way, it was a dumb question to ask, and of little relevance, even if he was simply trying to ascertain the truthfulness of his original statement by asking a followup to see how he reacted.
You do not have to stop for a cop in any place that is not safe or that will obstruct traffic or otherwise be unsafe for either you or the officer. I just got pulled over a few days ago. I put on my turn signal, turned left onto a side street, and then into a business parking lot. At no time did the officer act like I was "fleeing". I live in Florida. As long as you do not speed up or act in any way that you are trying to evade the officer you can not be charged with evasion or fleeing.
White cop trying to "search" your car while you're black sets off alarms in any black man's mind... no matter how compliant.
Really? And what the hell would you know about what a black man thinks?
There is proof that they like to plant evidence.
@NonyaBusiness! it turned into a, "Can I search your car?" When he failed to stop. Let me ask you this. You probably have a good idea of what really goes on, as most of us do... You are charged with finding as many gun and drug violations as you can in a day. You get$10,000 for ever vehicle that you can pull over and find either in. Oh, by the way, you can get shot, just like any other person/cop, when you pull someone over.
So, you attempt to pull over a young black male in an older car, like are common in the hood. The individual refused to stop. He drives in for a little while, and you can't see exactly what he is doing in his vehicle. He finally pulls over in the middle of l nowhere special, but by a big bush, where no one else could really see from the side of the road into his vehicle. He claims that he wanted to stop there, because he was concerned for his safety.... Mind you, he didn't pull over in a crowded area, where people would be a witness to events, thereby ensuring his fair treatment.
Now, in all honesty, are you not going to immediately place that man in handcuffs so that you know that you are safe?
The narrative is bullshit. Yes, cops are going to try to arrest you. Do not help them do so. I do not fair him for his actions, the thing is, I don't fault either if them, for their actions.
@@goodguy...badrep. please offer some of this proof.
White people (edited ) doing anything sets off alarms in our minds.
This man was well educated, I felt happy hearing how he immediately elected to utilize all of his rights in a calm demeanor. The Officer was hoping this seat belt ticket could turn into target practice. I believe his attitude was kept in check once he seen Mr. Blacks nice shoes and slacks hence the "get on your knees" approach. Mr. Black, I'm rooting for you hope you win this one!
Here is this young man in handcuffs, standing behind his car and in front of the cop car, and at 6:15 the cop said "You NEVER STOPPED." "You NEVER STOPPED."
My understanding of the word "NEVER" has a totally different meaning than this cop's meaning.
The man has every right to pull over where he feels safe.
Good point. If he never stopped his car would still be moving...
never say never
You give him a B? The moment he pulled a gun, that copper turned in to a thug and then performed an illegal search. That is one big F.
Keith Smith Actually a F-
Cop was following procedure. Blame goes on the procedure, not the cop. Pulling someone over for not wearing a seat belt is a horseshit way for the cop to see if you are doing anything else illegal. Once he didn't stop immediately, the terrible procedure probably then told the cop to treat the citizen as a hostile. I am usually the last person to invoke race into a police stop, but the citizen's skin color and car style probably had something to do with this stop.
David Okinsky
Wrong. Every individual is responsible, and should be justly held to account, for the choices they personally make. “I was just following orders” is a pathetic excuse and it didn’t fare well for the war criminals during the Nuremberg trials as order followers are some of the must dangerous people alive.
The search legality is questionable, as stated in the video, the cop had the right to search the IMMEDIATE area in the car where he was sitting.
Evan Woods ...and just where did this so-called “right to search” actually come from, besides within the imaginations of tyrants and control freaks?
Can anyone tell me why for a traffic stop, this man has to get out of his car, ruin his clothes and shoes by kneeling on the ground, and has to be handcuffed? What the heck? This should only have been a ticket while the man stays in his car. The police are treating every citizen like a criminal and if they can't find anything they will make sure you're a criminal by the time they get done with you. They have to meet their quota, no matter the cost to honest people.
So gun pointed at him and now handcuffed all for a stupid seatbelts wow whatever
Would have never happened to a white boy SMH
He was also wearing a seat belt, he says it when he cant exit the car.
@ahhsnap TY for acknowledging the TRUTH!
These cops love to pull their guns every time they get a chance
sounds about white
Lesson here . . .if a police officer ever lights you up on the highway, STOP IMMEDIANTLY! SLAM ON YOUR BREAKS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FREEWAY. You don't want to be accused of "Fleeing" remember the Arizona trooper that did a pitt manuever on a pregnant woman who was following the EXACT directions of the STATE DRIVERS MANUAL.
If I ever get pulled over in Florida I’ll be sure to slam on my brakes immediately
Lmao
I live in Miami, and I swear I’m gonna slam on brakes next time lol
Rob Brown If you come to Florida, You will get pulled over. Trust me!
This is why I never go to Florida... actually because of this channel, I don't want to go anywhere.
I had a good friend do that about 35 years ago and the cop rear ended him! He got a ticket for speeding, but the cop got to explain his actions in court and my friend won!
Love the way they try to get “consent” to search his car by demanding ID, registration and proof of insurance. He asks if he can retrieve it, and is told NO, you are detained right now. So they now put him in the position of failing to identify or giving up his fourth amendment rights. This is allied a Hobson’s Choice named after the landmark case, wherein the police nor the Court may under any circumstance force you to choose between your rights.
Ronnie Owen, underrated comment
Extremely.
Can’t be that major a landmark case if Police Departments across the 🇺🇸United States haven’t made much effort to rewrite their traffic stop policies to avoid _”Hobson’s Case”_ type issues.
These police departments need to be subjected to timely judicial reviews by accreditation agencies and subject to disqualification and decertification if failing to adhere to Constitutional law and standards.
Which is not happening, for whatever reason🤨
He DIDN'T have to handcuff him for NOT having a seatbelt on.
@Mike T. as explained in the video; he did not want his client to see him being pulled over so he would have to continue to drive. During the stop may have felt that giving deeper explanation as to such may have violated his clients rights or trust.
@Tommy Peterson OJ Simpson, for example.
@Tommy Peterson I smell bacon
@Vada Minot Oranthal James Simpson...OJ for short. Slow speed chase in a white bronco. No violence or accidents involved. Ringing any bells? Google it.
@Mike T. Some examples would be to dispose of alcohol or drugs(either dump out the window or consume). He could also be moving toward a secondary location with either backup or a get away vehicle.
Stupid laws like seat belt laws dont hurt anyone else, yet cause potentially dangerous situations like this. This man allegedly didnt increase speed or try and get away, yet this officer pulled his fire arm on him. This is a joke and shouldnt be allowed
Pulling a gun on a seatbelt offender earns him a b? Really?
The guy who made this video is sleeping with the cop 👮♀️
You are a danger to yourself therefore I will put you in far greater danger to save you from yourself
1:00 should be enough in itself for a 0. That guy must be a really good actor.
"I've got my seatbelt on"
The moment the cop told Mr. Black to get out of the car at gunpoint, his reason for the stop was debunked. Mr. Black said, "I have my seat belt on." Then he reached back and unhooked his seat belt before exiting the vehicle.
Mr Black repeatedly saying that he was at work served no legitimate purpose without the officer having a crystal ball. If he would have explained that as a councilor he didn't think his client would understand his explanation of why he was being detained had his client possibly witnessed him in this position. It literally didn't make no sense but served more to make him look nuts or drunk.
This is crazy! I didn't even hear the officer say anything about a seat belt. He was all about the fleeing charge because Mr. Black didn't stop immediately. All Mr. Black wanted was a safer spot to pull over & this officer is saying he's fleeing...! Wow...! Then the officer wants to search Mr. Black's vehicle. Why...? I'm glad that even though Mr. Black's fear was palpable, he was still able to reject the officers request...! The officer was shady in his explanations & requests, but he still called his supervisor to find out the appropriate way to handle the situation. I think the officer still took a small amount of liberties with the search, but overall, it turned out reasonably okay...! I wish Mr. Black lots of luck with his lawsuit & I hope he recovers well from his ordeal...!!!
Cop pulls up on him with gun drawn, orders him out of the car, puts cuffs on him then says "The reason I'm stopping you today is because your seat belt was off..." Just wow. You shouldn't be allowed to stop someone for that in the first place, only allow it if they are pulled over for a real infraction.
Driving without a seatbelt is a real infraction. However Mr. Black was wearing his belt in the video, and the officer used excessive force in response to him choosing a safe place to stop.
@Aeden it's no one's business if I'm wearing MY seatbelt or not.
I agree 👍 a 'crime' indicates another injured party. Who is injured by your seat belt being either clicked or unclicked? Nobody but you..
Buddy you got it all wrong. You don't pull a gun on a driver who was ALLEGEDLEY driving without wearing a seatbelt.Was he going to shoot and kill him for ALLEDGLEY not wearing a seatbelt? I wouldn't hire you to be my lawyer. The cop deserves an F. Laws have already been established that a driver may further drive down the road to what that deem to be a safe area which is not an attempt to flee. The cop should have been at least charge with unnecessary and deadly force.
@@aeden8008 driving without a seatbelt is never a reason to stop someone
I give the officer an F for violating HIPAA laws.
It takes 7 years to practice law, 7 weeks to be law enforcement officer with a gun. Standards.
@ Your point here doesn't make sense, a lawyer can't pull over someone on the road for a seat belt or raid your house for drugs. And he certainly wasn't implying that. He was only pointing to the fact that the police need more training of the law. An architect doesn't normally build a house, he builds the plan that the mason, or carpenter would use to construct the house. But the fact is, you can have architects who actually build houses who know how to use a saw and hammer.
@ The comparison wasn't most citizens to police. It was lawyers to police. How many carpenters study to become architects according to your reasoning then? Not many,people become architects and then think of building.
@Robert Slackware that's pretty fucked up man. The statement was made in reference to legal training not firearms proficiency.
That being said.....many cops are former military and the training they received there is far beyond any firefight readiness they might receive as law enforcement.
Lastly, number rarely matter in a firefight. Element of surprise and firepower as well as planning usually decide the outcome of short term battles.
You're far more likely to have problems that may require the use of a weapon as a victim of a robbery than with a police officer unless you're a criminal element.
@Robert Slackware I'm not sure what country you're in but if you're talking about the u.s. I think you need to check your sources.
U.S. military is the finest in the world.
It's the political end that lacks the will to do what needs to be done. That comes from the people. That's the difference between WWII and generations since. The technology and the people in the military now are out of this world. No other country comes close.
An excellent opportunity for a young half-wit.
You raise a legitimate point on why this officer believed the assrested gentleman was a theat in conducting a terry search of his vehicle, it appeared the police officer wasn't willing to be reasonable in pursuing a fleeing charge if he could. I can only conclude police office was having a bad day to lead to his unreasonable mannerisms. The assrested gentleman balance this out by standing up himself & refusing to give an unreasonable policeman a free pass, he'd normally would if he was conversing with a reasonable policeman. It's this type of poor policing that troubles a community & thus makings it more challenging for the whole police department there.
"i cannot pull over in front of my client while im at work, it could damage my reputation and my livelyhood, i pulled over when we were no longer in sight of my client's location, i never attempted to flee or evade"
A "B" for pointing a loaded firearm and threating a citizen.
Wait a sec... cop gets a B ?
Cop pulled the guy over for not wearing a seat belt. Tells the man to step out of the car with gun drawn.
Man with hands up tells officer he can't because he needs to undo his seat belt...
We just glossing over that?
The cop made that shhh up. The officer deserves an F for making up a reason to pull this man over.
These vids are making me really despise and mistrust law enforcement. I have been pro cops but I'm changing my mind. They are presenting themselves as bullies and instead of protecting our rights they don't even understand them to begin with. Very upsetting.
In my country any kind of police has to pass a physical and intellectual test to be approved for a two year period of education, after that period they have to pass another test, then they may work as junior police officers under senior police officers.
If this is true I have read that some police units in the US train their apprentices only for *6 weeks*! I actually still can not believe it.
Do you think they can be "good" officers after such a short time of training? I think you all must ask for better education for your multiple police forces and that police really, really should care for the ~95% of population that is hard working, honest and paying their taxes. At least that would be a start. It is so astonishing to watch US police treat normal citizens like trash it is unreal. So not the picture of the land of the free... 😪 love the US and have had personal interaction with highway patrol as a tourist, they were very nice and polite. I would not contemplate to visit the US again to be honest. Too dangerous and one part of this impression are the crazy incidents with all sorts of US police officers, it is devastating. 🤷🏻♀️
@@KimChi-iy7jd - Your fears are warranted. If I was a foreigner observing American police I would be afraid to visit the USA as well. I am a US citizen and I try not to leave the house much because I fear American police. They've been aggressive to me personally more times than I can count and I don't break laws ever. They are very much dangerous and out of control.
@@123bhar I am so sorry to hear that. Truly this is heartbreaking. I hope more citizens unite and change this unbearable situation.
The worst videos are the ones were people call the police for help as victims and end up detained themselves. These and of course the unjustified shootings are frightening. I wonder also about the good cops, aren't they totally angry about their crooked colleagues?
Dont change your mind. We see more bad cops on this channel than good cops
@@danny6690 You see more bad cops in this world than good cops.
I got pulled one time * partial brake light out*! My husband was a mechanic!!!! There is no such thing a partial light out !!! There was nothing wrong with are lights!!!! We were pulled for driving white on brown!!!!!!
"You never stopped."
Brother, you are stopped right now.
1- You ALWAYS have the right to remain silent.
2- Anything you say can ONLY be used against you.
3- You will be DISCOURAGED from having a lawyer.
4- No one can truly understand their rights. Cause they are in the eyes of the law FLEXIBLE.
You were doing fine until no. 4. No one can truly understand their rights? What does that even mean? Just because the government ignores human rights and/or tries to violate them doesn't mean they can't be understood.
@@neonnaughtsie4726 This is absolutely ridiculous... frequently talking to police can help alleviate a situation or provide information that can prevent the police from arresting or charging you with certain crimes. I'm not saying you have to spill your guts, but providing basic identifying information and a legit reason to explain something you are being contacted on can make a huge difference. Lawyers are always appointed in criminal cases now unless a person already has one on retainer for some reason or hires their own lawyer. The government does not ignore human rights nor does it try to intentionally violate them the vast majority of the time. I'm not suggesting things don't happen at times that are improper or violations, but frequently officers who commit violations do so more out of ignorance than actual malice. Officers who intentionally violate people's rights are disciplined or terminated depending on the nature of the violation.
@@anonymousrex5207 You're clueless and have no idea what you're talking about. It's never a good idea to talk to cops. Ever. Not without an attorney present. Any decent attorney will even tell you that. The government is beyond corrupt, and violates rights as a matter of course. Sorry, but anyone who doesn't understand this is a complete moron.
@@neonnaughtsie4726 Your statements show a staggering lack of knowledge or understanding of the system. Many attorneys frequently encourage their clients to give a statement to police after being consulted and many attorneys will tell you that on a simple traffic stop cooperating with the police is your best option to avoid further issues. I am guessing you don't have any legal education nor much experience in the legal system just based on your perceptions.
"Corruption" and "violating rights" is at best your opinion as examples of these types of problems are much more the exception than the rule, especially when the simple fact that when these issues are exposed they are almost always dealt with quickly to eliminate the corruption or the violations. The fact that you resort to childish name-calling to try and make your point does not bolster your position in any way nor does it mean you are correct. If you have something intelligent to say then you should be able to present a coherent argument... claiming people who disagree with your position are "morons" is, ironically, one of the dumbest things a person can say in this world.
Anonymous Rex Oh?!
In this day and age.
In this current climate.
It doesn’t work that way.
I have every right.
I’m the law!
I’m giving you a lawful order!
Can I pat you down?
We got a call.
Here’s the deal.
Anything illegal on you?
Anything in your car I should know about?
Anything in your pockets that will poke me?
This is a sobriety checkpoint!
This is a immigration checkpoint!
This is a drivers license checkpoint!
This is a seatbelt checkpoint!
This is a produce checkpoint!
I heard screaming!
I heard arguing!
I heard noises!
I heard voices!
I heard whispering!
I smell marijuana!
I smell alcohol!
I smell meth!
I smell crack!
Why are your eyes glassy?
Why are your eyes dialated?
Why are your eyes pinpoint?
Why are your eyes shaking?
Why are your eves watery?
Why are your eyes bloodshot?
Why are you sweating?
Why are you so nervous?
Why are you shaking?
Why are you so calm?
Why are you breathing so heavy?
Why are you breathing so shallow?
Why are you breathing so fast?
Why are you breathing so slow?
Do you have a weapon?
Do you have a gun?
Do you have a knife?
Do you have a sharp object?
Do you have a I.D.?
Do you have a warrant?
Do you have a felony?
Do you have a license?
Do you have any documents?
Do you have any fruit?
Do you have any vegetables?
Do you have any money?
Where are you coming from?
Where are you going?
You match the description!
You match the tell tale signs!
You match the demographic!
Are you on probation?
Are you sober?
Are you on drugs?
Are you on medications?
Are you under the influence?
How much have you had to drink?
What are you hiding?
I’m not searching I’m inspecting!
You look suspicious!
You’re acting suspicious!
You sound suspicious!
Why won’t you let us search you?
Why are you so uncooperative?
The K-9 hit on your car!
The K-9 hit on your person!
The K-9 hit on your passenger!
The K-9 hit on your rectum!
If you don’t answer my questions you go to jail!
If you don’t talk to me you go to jail!
If you don’t listen to me you go to jail!
STEP OUT OF THE CAR!!!
I DON’T HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY NAME!!!
I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!
I AM THE LAW!!!
I DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU!!!
DON’T YOU DARE DISRESPECT ME!!!
TURN OFF THAT PHONE!!!
PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE HOOD!!!
PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!!
STOP RESISTING!!!
STOP GOING FOR MY GUN!!!
TAZER TAZER TAZER!!!
SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED!!!
We KNOW you did it!
We HAVE evidence!
We HAVE a witness!
We KNOW you were there!
We HAVE you on camera!
We HAVE your fingerprints!
We can place you at the scene.
We can put you in the timeline.
We wanna hear your side!
Just confess and you’ll feel better.
Just tell us and this can be over with.
Just man up and let it out.
All attorneys do it slow things down.
All attorneys do is take your money.
All attorneys do is screw your over.
All attorneys do is prolong the inevitable.
It's pretty clear that since the police or the courts aren't able to determine if a person driving at 25 MPH is " fleeing and eluding" then maybe the wording in the law needs to be changed to show some intent to elude. You know like driving wrecklessly at a high rate of speed, something that a reasonable person would assume meant eluding. As far as pointing a gun at a person pulled over for a seatbelt infraction, let's just say the cop should be real happy that I wasn't his boss. Maybe 6 months latrine duty would make an impression.
"The stuff is in my wallet and in the glove compartment"
> First thing the officer does is checks the door panel, seats, middle compartment and the floors.
I'm not an officer or a lawyer but i am pretty sure a glovebox is not under your ass, elbow or feet when your driving.
The narrator stated that the officer was doing a search of the drivers immediate area, as he was allowed to do since he had reasonable suspicion of a weapon or something. Which seemed like bs to me. But it was not incorrect by law.
@@tmclaug90 I really doubt they had reasonable suspicion of anything, they even dropped the "fleeing" charge on the spot so... yeah, they didn't really have anything other than a seatbelt ticket which does not give them a right to detain or arrest him nor does it give them the right to search the vehicle.
But, that is more of a thing for a court to decide rather than what we can say and it depends on so many different things that how it's viewed.
And like you said, by law, it isn't incorrect, so it really depends on how the situation viewed in a hearing.
@@DrEtzor I was just replying to your original comment that implied you thought the officer went in the car solely to find the gentleman's wallet.
@@tmclaug90 My original comment was more of a joke rather than any sort of seriousness, you'd imagine the cop would grab the wallet, put it on the roof, then check the surroundings quick and be done with it.
It just seems silly, you know.
@@DrEtzor I dont think they cared about the wallet as much as they wanted a reason to arrest the guy. I'm not the type to assign bigotry to everything. But the cop really seems like he profiled this guy and was desperate to make something stick after he realized it was a misunderstanding.
The cop said he pulled this Man over because he didn't have his seatbelt on. When this cop told this man to get out the car he had his seatbelt on. With that being said the driver had to undo his belt buckle in order to even get out the car if you look at the beginning of the video when the cop told him to get out the car, what a joke...
He pulled over and didn't increase speed. That's hardly fleeing imo. All over a seat belt 🤨.
Right? He pulled over, clearly. This is insane.
@@reginalb124 to be fair, having a cop ordering you to pull over for a FULL minute is quite a long time to just keep driving.
However, cop should not have come out guns drawn immediately. But it did warrant precautions and investigating.
Kevin Zomar I can understand it in some instances. If I was a black man I wouldn't want to be pulled over on a dark highway at 3:00am in rural Mississippi. I'd feel a lot more confortable pulling into the nearest gas station and have the officer conduct the stop there.
@@dmo530 yes, that's a bit of a different scenario. As best as I can tell from this instance, its broad daylight in an urban neighborhood. He should have just pulled over lol
@@kevinzomar2034 - Is a minute really a long time? First you have to notice the lights and/or siren. Then you have to determine that they're intended for you and not someone else. Then you have to look for a place to pull over. That generally takes less than a minute, but the additional seconds to a full minute isn't a long time.
Personally, I've had concerns about being pulled over in an area that's poorly lit and/or doesn't have any potential witnesses. I would like to be able to put on my hazard lights and pull into a gas station or nearby business that may have a camera. Also, officers are at risk when issuing traffic tickets on the highway. There have been instances where an officer at the driver's side window has been hit by a passing vehicle. And I certainly don't want to get out of my vehicle on the highway and get on the ground or on a squad car because the officer orders me to because I had been speeding, "I wasn't wearing a seat belt" (when in fact I always do), or "I fit the description."
I was stopped by Miami Beach police in 2014 for no reason , they got me out if my car they fully searched me and my vehicle without even ask for permission then let me go !!!!
I wished I knew my right at that time as I do now .
Thank you guys for educating us
What car u was drivin
@@ELLABandz4o4 Chevy impala 2000
Lesson learned. Pull over immediatlely regardless of safety or any other reasons.
point a gun for seat belt get that cop in jail
When the man is ordered out of his car, literally the first thing the cop does is point a gun at him and he literally tells the cop is that he has to undo his seatbelt. WTF?? officers get a F minus for racial profiling and infringing his constitutional rights.
The Cop knew he wasn’t fleeing. He was trying to stick him with the most damaging charge he could,somewhat,backup! That’s why his supervisor told him to drop that charge and go with the original seatbelt infraction! How is a person eluding you doing the posted speed limit?LOL!! Cops do not like when you question them or don’t do exactly as they say! The young man did a great job exercising his rights and speaking up for himself!!
Failing to stop where the cop has designated is legally eluding, the statute says nothing about speeds.
@@CrypticCobra If you want to be technical then when do you pull over? As soon as the Police hit his lights where it’s not safe or do you drive to a safe location? The citizen also has rights to drive to a safe,well lit location. Why do you think the eluding charge was dropped?
@@JLRJ the eluding charge was never made out of discretion, that does not mean legally it didn’t happen. And you have a reasonable amount of time to pull over. Aka assuming traffic and speeds permit, you can pull up to the nearest street light, THATS IT. The statute is entirely officer digression and the longer you push it the more justified the charge is.
Should it be this broad? debatable, but it is and thus you should pull over when you get lit up.
@@CrypticCobra LOL! I had a rebuttal but deleted it. This could go on forever! I’ll end it here! Nice to debate and no one is name calling or being threatened. Take Care!
@@JLRJ touche my friend.
On the very rare occasions I've ever been pulled over, I've always done my best to try to get as much off the roadway as possible and even make room for the officer who stopped me. The more videos like this I see, the more inclined I would be in the future to stop right in the middle of the freaking Road if I can't get out of the way easily, perhaps on a bridge would be ideal.
They tell women to wait until you're in lighted area in case it's a fake cop, but that'll get you shot.
This is exactly what I was thinking watching this!
I had a cop light me up and I pulled safely to the right and he drove off the road and hit the curb and blew his front tire out and even though I got a ticket I still sat there laughing at the fool and he knew it. Besides I beat the ticket because he wrote the wrong code
Ya... listening to this reading of the Florida Statute on when you have to pull over... Umm... I figure just slam on the brakes as soon as the lights come on. That should get the ball rolling on changing the statute.
Nope. I pull over right away. If traffic comes behind us, and wrecks his cruiser, so be it. If traffic comes beside us and hits him while standing there in the road, so be it. If he tells me to pull up to an area with more room to carry out his traffic stop, then I move. After watching these videos, I don’t fuck with these officers.
If cops signal me to stop ill just stop in the middle of the road if its that crucial for me to stop immediately 😂
I think Mr. Black was absolutely correct in filing a lawsuit. I hope a complaint was filed as well. The way the officer approached with gun drawn and pointed, ordered him to his knees, cuffed and searched him, partially searched his car, etc. on an alleged seatbelt violation pretext was disgusting and I would knock the officer down a full grade just for that. I don't know the exact survival rate of a black man once a police officer has him in his gun sights, but I can understand anyone having emotional trauma from the experience. He's an "accidental weapon discharge" or "I thought he was reaching for a weapon" trigger finger twitch from death or grave injury.
Instead, the officer could have taken a couple of minutes in his car to run the plates and correlate the owner to a license photo and any arrests or warrants. (This would also confirm that Mr. Black was not actually fleeing by giving him ample opportunity to start up again.) If nothing of concern came up, he could have handled it like issuing a ticket to the mayor while also cautioning Mr. Black on the implications of the ridiculously vague, yet strict FL fleeing law. Instead, this stop appears to be primarily aimed to produce maximum fear and intimidation. Congratulations. It worked. I hope Mr. Black wins this one big and the officers get better educated on an appropriate level of force based on actual evidence rather than their fever dream speculations.
"...must stop IMMEDIATELY" So stop immediately in the middle of the road. Traffic will back up and be your witnesses. With a bit of luck, the cop will beh it by a car.
That cop is so fucking scared he needs to find another job! Wtf
That law needs to be modified. It is insane the wording says "immediately", talk about a loophole to allow, and justify unreasonable use of force. Based on that statement. If I'm ever stopped in Florida, I'm stopping right there, instantly. No matter where I'm at. More importantly he had his " SEATBELT ON!!!" Guess, that was an illegal stop. Sue the city.
Florida needs to have a Federal investigation into the way laws are enforced there. They along with Texas and Arizona are high on the list of abusive police activity.
Their officers routinely don't know what the law is. They don't know when it is unlawful to insist on getting someone to ID.
The sheer volume of offenses committed by Florida cops is disturbing and needs to be addressed by the state legislature.
Keep up the good work and the useful information.
Never forget that there can't be a good outcome when there are two sets of laws.
All persons must be EQUAL under the law.
Therefore
Abolish qualified immunity
"You never stopped"
Then how are you speaking to him?
I was thinking the same.
You didn't get the part where he drove for a minute before stoping?
@@ruslan1909 didn't miss that at all. It's not unreasonable to continue slowly to get to a safer place.
@@SiriusMined slowing down for 10-15 seconds is normal. A minute is not necesssry
The cop gets an F first for pulling a gun on a man who’s not armed , second for ( allegedly ) not having a seat belt .and his other excuse is that the man didn’t stop immediately when he pulled him ove not even considering the fact that people don’t trust cops and always want to look for a safe place where they feel comfortable in to stop
anyone got a follow up to this? Did he get awarded 200$ thou for getting a gun pulled on him without threat or crime to be suspicious of?
He wants to search you because you didn't have a seatbelt on? Lol
Wait a darn minute! All of this foolery for a seatbelt violation??? The cop is crazy!!!
any cop that pulls a gun on an unarmed citizen must get life in prison
I’ll remember next time I’m in Florida that if I get lit up, I should slam my brakes and stop “immediately” and let the officer who rear ends me figure out the definition of immediately.
Exactly.
I was thinking the same thing.
Immediately
It is so crazy this man got put in handcuffs and arrested for not wearing a seatbelt.
WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE. IT MIGHT BE MR BLACK TODAY....BUT IT WILL BE YOU TOMORROW.
“You never stopped”
Then standing in front of the stopped car
At 1minute and 2 seconds in he clearly says hold on I got my seat belt on as he's being told to exit the vehicle...
I disagree that Kirer’s case verdict applies to this one because Kirer wasn’t planning on stopping for the police but as Black said again and again, he was trying to get to a place where he’d feel more comfortable. I found multiple sources that say that citizens have the right to wait to pull over for police until they feel comfortable.
He literally had to undo his seatbelt to get out? How did this take so long? You can hear the click too
step 1) don't have a seatbelt on
step 2) you see a cop turn their lights on in your mirror
step 3) put your seatbelt on while still driving
step 4) take your seatbelt off when the cop walks up
I'm not saying he did that. We don't know. But that also means you don't know. It's just useless information, basically, whether he had one on at the time of the stop or not. Gotta be a bit more imaginative my man. It would come down to he said/she said, maybe some dashcam footage from the cop driving past initially if it's high enough resolution, or any internal dashcam of the person if there was any.
Mr. Black gets an A+ for keeping his older car in such great original condition.
You noticed that too? That car was is great condition for as old as it was. I mean dressing that snazzy, gotta have a ride to look good in too.
Lol
Lol
Lol
😂
Holds gun in his face and orders him to his knees.
“The reason I’m stopping you today is your seatbelt was undone”
You can't make this stuff up
So many people wouldn't believe it if it wasn't captured on video
If you don’t pull over right way, of course they would pull a gun on you. They don’t know why you’re fleeing. You could be an armed felon. The cop tells him the reason for pulling him over which is what he’s supposed to do. You sound very uneducated.
@@changsterville And you sound like a jackboot thug ..Go live in NJ..You would change your perspective fast.
@@changsterville That's stupid there is no law that says you have to pull over immediately. You are allowed to drive to a place that you aren't obstructing traffic and feel safe. People like you making excuses for bad policing are the reason bad police continues to exist.
When seatbelts laws were first enacted, the government said they would NOT be the sole reason for a traffic stop. That didn't last long. It's now used as revenue enhancement.
In Virginia, a driver cannot be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. If the driver is not wearing a seatbelt while pulled over for an actual infraction, the seatbelt issue can become a citation.
Failing to wear a seat belt, when it is required by law, is reason for a stop. Turn in your TH-cam law degree, you failed.
It's for your own safety.😉 But our children's (the future) buses and city buses don't have seatbelts. You right. A way to generate revenue
@Robert Slackware L.O.L.
Depends on the state. In PA, they must pull you over for a different reason
If he pulls a gun for a seatbelt charge, I bet he keeps a rocket launcher for red light runners and maybe some C4 for illegal parking.
No, he pulled a gun because the guy wasn't stopping. Not because of the seatbelt.
@@vvrathhps You are right that it wasn't the seat belt, but if driving a couple of unnecessary blocks gets an officer that teed up, I have a few questions about the officers fitness for duty.
🤣
The cop wanted to kill Mr. Black…it was painfully apparent!!
Hey either individual with vision or inability to process thought issues, he pulled the gun because the motorist kept driving for 1 minute with blue lights on. If 1 minute is too much time is disputable but that is the reason... I dont expect you to understand that concept but I do expect you to seek out help.
As scared as I'm sure he was, I was delighted to see him keep denying the cops permission to conduct any search.
Good for him
Scared for what? Cops were 100% in the right. He should get the ticket for the seat belt and be charged with felony evading.
@@XH442 lmao look, a bootlicker
@@XH442 instead he got an apology with a $200,000 tip. 😮💨
@@factsbykidd4765 You can sue for anything doesn't mean he will win. Felony evading is what it's called when you refuse to pull over for police. GL on him getting a dime.
The officer don’t even care about the seat belt, he’s just mad the guy didn’t stop right away. It’s always about control with them.
Wrong. Police have to deduce your future actions by the actions alread witnessed and they do this with great caution for their own safety. It happens quite often that cops get shot at by people who have no reason and the cops know that. So if somebody does not pull over it can mean that they are trying to get away - that can indicate that they might be up to no good. A cop cannot read your mind. Follow the instructions.
That's not the law...@@spackomcspack7103
@@YOURECTHROUGH yeah. @SpackoMcSpack is most likely a cop. They always act like their inept training supersedes law. I wrote my response in a way that the avg low IQ cop won’t understand.
So true deb, most citizens need to know that cops are just REGULAR men and women off the streets put on the force with no type of training and nor type of understanding of the basic laws.
That is why we see so many videos on yt because it seems the chief in every department in every state don't give a chit about their tyrants knowing the law and just rather have them go wild on innocent citizens as in beat, harass, intimidate and be overly agressive. 🤷🏼♂️
@@spackomcspack7103 Quit sucking the blue kool aid.
I'm soooo sick of these tyrants saying "get on the ground", "get on your knees" or forcing people down. I'm a tax paying American,politely ask me to place my hands behind my back,in a standing position..FIRST.
*pulls out gun*
*puts him in handcuffs*
“The reason I’m stopping you is for not having a seatbelt”
And this TH-cam channel gave the cop a B? Cop is a F!
That’s how stupid these people are
The reason they stopped him is Pensacola has to pay for a new jail after they blew the last 1 up with and electric fan placed in the doorway of a natural gas leak.
Shit imagine if he was speeding
Pulled out a gun and detained because he fled from a police officer. The police officer had no idea who the driver was or whether the driver had a weapon stashed within reach of the driver's seat. Innocent people do NOT flee from the police.
It always blows my mind how quick US cops are to point a gun at someone. It's crazy.
This is ultimately rooted in the fact that almost anyone might be carrying a gun. Cops wouldn't need to be so fearful if we had sensible gun laws.
@@fdm2155 facts
You would too after a few were pointed at YOU/ fired when you stop them
@FDM 215 2nd amendment is reasonable. Everyone has the right to carry. Government shall not infringe on that right.
@@wb1291 The only time a cop should unholster their gun is when there is an imminent lethal threat. The only time they should point their gun at another human being is right before they pull the trigger. The amount of times I've seen US cops pointing their guns at other people willy nilly, when there was no reasonable threat, much less an imminent lethal threat is crazy. There is no excuse for it. If a cop is at the point where they're so terrified from prior experiences that they start pulling out their gun and pointing it at people at unreasonable times, they need to have their badge taken.
"Sir i pulled you over as you were not wearing a seatbelt and was concerned about your safety which is why i pulled a gun on you" 😑
Ironic right! These psychopaths just don’t see their hypocrisy
The officer tried for over a min to get the guy stop and he didn't. The officer had the gun out incase he tired to get away or attack him
@@MTFL007 It's far easier to judge the officer negatively after the incident. However, as you said, in the moment the unidentified driver was "fleeing" from the police. Fleeing isn't something an innocent person does. That is why the officer expected the worse. i.e. he wouldn't be having dinner with his wife and kids.
Jason G right. Just another example of a video edited which shows the viewer no context; or better yet, edited in a way to better push the narrative they’re wanting. Smh
May we politely suggest the following de-escalation for remedy?
THE TRUST IS COLLAPSED....in other words, your company is no longer granting them any more credit.
If the policeman is not lawfully investigating the crime on behalf of the male/female victim and is entering YOUR company jurisdiction without you summonsing them, then would it not be advisable to be politely placing YOUR public-servants/trustees under your notification that your company is charging $707 per hour/part-there-of for YOUR company time and also $717 for YOUR company performance?....and that any further communicating (verbal) and/ or corresponding (written) with your company, is with them accepting the terms & conditions of the commercial contract IN THE PRIVATE (the cop and their CHIEF and their POLICE UNION is now with PERSONAL liability.... because Notice-to-Agent-is-Notice-to-Principal....and also through JOINDER....and they also lose their qualified immunity)
This way, you are NOT resisting/refusing to obey/comply with their orders/demands/policy /questions, but instead, you are now willing to perform WITH THE CONDITION that payment is with your company immediately, because you have NO CONFIDENCE with them administrating YOUR company trust!
THE PUBLIC TRUST IS COLLAPSED...Why is YOUR company issuing them extra credit! Are YOU not the executor and the beneficiary of YOUR trust?...making them the trustees, whom are with their fiduciary obligation and duty-of-care to be NOT causing you injury nor damage nor loss nor harm.
Is THEIR job YOUR job? Is THEIR company policy YOUR company policy?
not unless and until they are PAYING for your company time & performance
THE CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST IS COLLAPSED...YOUR company is no longer performing free-of-charge!
You may be willing to pursue the matter through the small-claims-court and/or through arbitration which is held in-the-private because PUBLIC court is only for the PUBLIC servant.
YOUR TRUST FUND IS NOW WITH RESTORATION....YOUR company is now making money from every encounter with YOUR public-servants because the days of doing something with your trustees for free are over.
PS-Be the BUSINESS man with the public-servants.......NOT the victim.
I don’t blame him for not wanting them to enter his vehicle because you don’t know if they were planting evidence. These are not trust worthy people. 🤷♂️
They could see in it anyways, why didnt he explain why he wasnt comfortable stopping?? Weird
@@andrewchapman5659 I would say he was stressed out and could not think clearly, but this small detail doesn’t take away from the situation as a whole, I think this is troubling. But I do agree, it may have helped but so don’t think these officers really cared
He's at work.
Florida is the state where the cop was caught planting evidence.
@@andrewchapman5659 he did explain if you watched. He said he wanted to stop at a place he felt comfortable and safe
Are we just going to ignore the fact that the dude literally reached over to remove his seatbealt and said "I got my seatbealt on me" when he was told to step out?
The officers B rating stands for Bastard, or what?
He could have put it on after he saw the cop trying to pull him over. Not saying that’s what happened, just saying lots of people do that.
Stands for B. Itch
if the cop chose to do his initial action and did not call his supervisor he would have been given a D+ most likely. Sometimes just a single action can save a persons career.
@@pauls4522 I think ur right he should get a D+ the+ should be at least 9" or more
If he just left a client, he could be one of those put it on while ya start driving type of people.
"you never stopped" - Yet we are standing here right now.
I thought the same thing when he said that. I really wanted Mr. Black to say "if I never stopped, how are we talking?"
😂🤣😅🤣🤣😂
Same here. You know how police have different definitions for words everyone uses.
I had a state cop threaten to have my car towed for running from them....bear in mind I was pulled over by a city cop at the time. You can imagine how well they took it when I pointed out we wouldn’t be talking if I had ran from them. Naturally I was being “hostile” which became reasonable suspicion to search my car.
Because he isn't having a pedantic argument with an anonymous Internet commenter. He's in police custody after not pulling over for quite a long while. Snarky comments will only harm his cause.
You know what these types of incidents cause. They cause depression, anxiety at the thought of stepping outside of your front door and great mistrust of all public officers. It happened with me and not a day goes by where I don't think of that interaction. It scars you and is imprinted on your brain.
The PTSD is REAL!! He should be suing for $2million minimum!!
100% TRUTH!!! Thank you for posting that.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! I can't imagine just being a young black man in the US - never mind that they are a profiled target. This poor, dear young man. Terrified to begin with and then treated as less than human. I cannot pray long enough, hard enough or loud enough for physical retribution for his sake against this vile thing.
Ugh this guy is so gentle spirited and didn't deserve this at all!
plus he was at work! lil feller was nervous too
1:00 Does anyone else hear Mr Black state “I got a seatbelt on”. and then reach over to unbuckle the seat belt?
Why then does he get charged for not wearing a seatbelt?
Yeah he reached to unfasten it , you can hear the seatbelt retracting
I did!
it's possible that he fastened the seatbelt after the sirens
@@nonetheless11 lol even if that is true. There is no evidence of that so it's pointless. The law does not and should not work based on assumption.
That’s going to be a disputed fact in the Section 1983 action. It is possible that he was wearing it the entire time and it it is also possible that he buckled it after he saw the sirens. That it is disputed generally helps the reasonable suspicion for the stop to not qualify for a determination of qualified immunity on that particular cause of action (4th Amendment Detainment). However the fleeing statute kind of raises the possibility of qualified immunity or even simply a dismissal on that cause of action since the officer then had reasonable suspicion for the stop and as the statute and litigation of the statute is described in this video that’s going difficult for the plaintiff to challenge a qualified immunity defense. The search of the vehicle is more problematic. Personally I think they should have ticketed him for fleeing and impounded the car and gotten his documents during the inventory. I think the search is the only thing that will survive summary judgment in the sense that was most likely an unlawful search.
I apologize if that’s TMI.
Cop: "Take off your seatbelt so you can get out of the car so I can arrest you for not wearing a seatbelt."
Mr. Black keep driving for 5 minutes after the sirens is on. There are 5 minute windows to put seatbelt on.
Edit: 1 minutes
@@goodking9799 1 minute
@@goodking9799 in the United States of America, in order to prove someone is guilty, you must have evidence of wrongdoing or a crime occurring. We are not required to prove our innocence to the police and courts. It is their jobs to gather proof and true testimony to prove any one of us guilty of their accusations.
@@goodking9799 you can’t even edit a comment right😂
@@goodking9799 *kept *minute *his *were *were *his
I feel much safer now that he was arrested for not wearing a seat belt
RIGHT😹🤣😂
Had a cop pull me over using a bogus "no seatbelt" accusation. I was wearing it the whole time. He said I must have put it on after I pulled over. I gave him my ID and insurance (which he didn't even bother to check) and told him to just write the citation so I could disprove it in court. He asked how I was going to do that because the courts "always take the cop's word". This is when I pointed to the dash cam with the driver view (it was new tech at the time) that had been recording for the last hour. I told him if he tickets me, I'll be admitting it and this conversation into evidence. He gave me back my ID and insurance and told me I was free to go. He didn't even apologize.
I love that story, except for the not apologizing part....
Boom! Ownage. Good job. Waiting for him to bury himself before revealing what REALLY happened.
I just wouldn't mention the dash cam until after he has stood up in Court and sworn on oath that you were not wearing a seat belt. You saved his bacon by telling him about it and he really didn't deserve the favor.
@@c2757 agreed. That would have been awesome lol
Post that if you have it! Put the link in a reply??? :)
This dude must be the best counselor, he’s the most calm person I’ve ever seen
I am 2 minutes in and so disgusted by this cop. Pulling him over for a seatbelt infraction and drawing down on him? What the holy hell!
Read the beginning of the article , he fled the seen.
@@patdalager2598 did you not watch the video?
@@QuasiRandomViewer the cop said he drove for 1 minute. The narrator was talking about a different case in which someone drove for 5 minutes.
@@baileywilliams5419 Oops, 5 minutes was from the 7:26 discussion of State vs. Kirer. At 0:53 we are indeed told "Mr. Black continued driving for approximately one minute before pulling over." Thanks for the correction!
@@QuasiRandomViewer yeah its np 👍
This man (councilor) has class. You cant buy that. No matter what actions were done to try to humiliate him, the man came out as a class act. Kudos to you.
"We need to see your license, registration, and ID."
"Let me go grab it."
"No..."
I had a cop imply I was possibly reaching for a weapon when I TOLD them I was reaching for my ID after they asked me to.
Almost like the entire system is setup to make sure the average person loses.