Review: Sony WH-1000XM3 vs. an Audiophile
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2019
- What if everything you've heard about the Sony WH-1000XM3 is true... except the sound quality? I like exceptional electronics, but I'm also an audio nerd and wanted to see if these Sony noise cancelling headphones live up to their reputation. Do the Sonys stack up to $300 headphones for someone like me?
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I love these for the NC and comfort. But I kept telling people I felt the sound was kind of flat and muddy. I kept watching reviews and everyone praised the sound, so I felt I was being too nit picky. I'm not an audiophile or anything. After setting the EQ the way you recommended it sounds a lot better! But I don't want to use the low quality connection, so I'll have to look up a third party equalizer for my pixel.
If you think this is bad, they you'd really hate the Bose qc35ii. Those absolutely sonically sucked compared up the xm3. I really don't understand why people would say they sound superior.
I'm definitely no audiophile, but now I understand the saying "No highs, no lows, must be Bose."
KindredGh0st the people who said that may have had it for free or heavily discounted in exchange for an “honest” and “unbiased” review
what EQ app is he using in this video ?
Try using them in wired with the 3.5 mm aux cable
Yeah, very disappointed with the sound quality. Actually, my $30 Superlux HD681 sound more clear and balanced than these headphones.
The audiophile reviews the sound at 11:52
Hoekstes exactly what I was going to say.
Thank you!!
Thank you Hoekstes!
Damn man, thanks
Thanks! U saved me a whooping 17mins
To my ears these 3rd Gen Air pods are more comfortable compared to the newer Pro version with the soft gel tips. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxgl8SzyQoymMu-S3V55Dskg5QJ8xr1yCR That said, compared to the 3rd Gen, I notice these do not stay planted in the ear as well. One design issue I think, is you squeeze the stem and click it twice to advance your songs. On 3rd gen you tap the large speaker. The difference is by grabbing the stem each time, you tend to loosen the bud fit in your ear. Not always, but the bud falls out a few times while running. The old tap to change never had that problem for me. I would not have changed that tap function. That said, the newer Pro version sticks in the ear, almost airtight if you want that. I do not like that Airtight fit. So that's why I'd stay with this version as the best trade off of comfort, use, and overall feel.
11:53 - This is where the review starts. There you go. I just saved you 11 minutes of your life.
You honor your nick name!
Why did I see this so late
God bless you and everyone around you.
thanks lol.
Thanks! This dude talks way too slow and he pauses way too often. The fact that the actual review is this late into the video is majorly stupid
If you have a samsung phone, go to settings /sounds quality and effects/adapt sound/add personalized sound profile..... and also enable Developer options/bluetooth audio codec and properly set to LDac. Now go back and listen to the XM3, youll hear the difference.
doesn't work tho, you have to go to settings for your audio device in the bluetooth section on your phone and turn a switch on. If you do it your way it won't stay in the codec LDAC...
@@alexanderstojanov4342 hmmmm..my samsung s10 plus does, after ive done that, i run the sony app and it shows the can connected via LDac... i use Hiby player cause most my files are DSDs and Flacs... no mp3s...(of course bluetooth toggle has to be on)
Ldac is great
running a s10 5g right now. but can't get the ldac to work
@@byungjaelee5110 it could be the firmware on your 5G phone... is it running oneui pie?
Personally I like the 'default' sound from the headphones. I'm far from an audiophile but appreciate your honest opinion.
FWIW, my wife hated my EQ :P
This is the best review I’ve seen, finally someone talking about the sound of the headphones. I don’t think there’s enough TH-camr’s that appeal to people who actually care about the sound and not all the other fancy stuff.
We're out here.
It's easier to be pleased with it if we haven't experienced better. Like 720p vs 1080p vs 2160p. There was no perceived reason to upgrade until exposed to higher resolutions. It sounds good enough for me; for now.
I don't see the point of a BT audio codec. It should support all common in passthrough; users choice of those if source isn't supported. Converting just wastes energy and latency. Imagine how much longer your charge would last or range you might get if it didn't convert a lower bitrate to much higher. That requires more power to the antennas at both ends.
thank you so much for the eq picture, I had the same feeling about the soundquality and now they sound way better then before when they had mud on the drivers ;)
Reviews always on time, thank you!
You makin' fun of me? 🤔
@@SuperReview haha all the opposite, everything I am about to purchase you make a review about! thanks super review :D
LOL, nice.
Since the xm4 is coming up and these have dropped in price I was really glad that I found this review. Saved my bucks👍👍
In my experience the out of the box experience has improved with simple firmware updates where that mid bass is not really that present any more.
Great channel and edit my friend ;)
Thanks for the tip about the EQ really helped with the sound!!
nice shots! subscribed for more audio equipment reviews 👍🏼👍🏼
absolutely love these cans myself! one of the best headphones i have ever purchased by far
Eugene Leung can’t wait to receive it
idk if i should get these or airpods pro for christmas, tips?
@@whenwillitbecold how can you compare airpods pro, truly wireless earbuds that frankly don't sound like they cost 250 USD, to over the ear headphones that do sound good enough for 250 USD (how much I got them on sale for)?
Can you give the EQ settings for the Sony app please? Despite the lower sound quality, a photo of your expert settings in there would have been very helpful!
I don't have it anymore, but basically just drop Clear Bass by a lot, and drop the 400Hz slider.
@@SuperReview hi did you do a review on the xm4 ‘s
Hey check mark
Excellent review - especially concerning the sound quality. Thank you.
I am 6 minutes in and appreciate the attention to detail so far (fit/comfort wise).
best and honest review of these headphones, because I had the same feeling when I tested these because I was worried maybe I'm being a hater about the sound signature. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Yeah a lot of people really do like the sound, but a $15 Koss KSC75 blows them away.
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Thanks for the review and the EQ settings I am sure they were apreciated by many. I have had the Sony's for over a year and agree with you about the sound. I don't consider myself a audiophile but after a year of experimentation I use a similar EQ. I get most my music from Qobuz so I don't usually use an app with a seperate EQ ( I do have Neutron for the few FLAC files on my S10+) so I use the built in Android EQ. I Pulled 125 and 250 down to -10 and 63 to -7. The Adapt Sound feature on the Plus seems to work only on frequencies above 1K so after creating a profile for myself and applying it I left the EQ from 1K to 16K at 0. It sounds great but it sucks if I have to use the phones on some other device.
Men i ve been trying like 7 Eq including Re Equalizer and my 2 phone equializer but all of them if I increase 16k or 8k hz the volume drops down. The only Eq that works well it's from Sony's app but I lose LDAC .
Well I'm happy I can customize my dolby Atmos settings for music and not lose ldac. Your sliders helped bring out my headphones sound alot. Thanks for those
what numbers are u using on atmos?
@@WhyRoonNub I no longer have the xm3s and upgraded to the 4s so I could stop using atmos. I wasn't a big fan
I want to thank you for going through the eq settings. Reducing the mid bass on my ttbh046 really helped take a lot of mud out. Still not the best sound but noise canceling at the price range is awesome and your eq tips made sound liveable. I work in a machine shop and much background noise.
How well does the noise canceling work in a machine shop?
@@SuperReview good around lathes and drills. Does not cut it for near a press. Can still hear steel on steel when stacking parts but isolation takes it down a bit. Really cuts down the machine sounds.
Please review the Bang & Olufsen h9 version 3. Great work!
First review I've seen which included the Bluetooth / EQ downgrade and sound quality. Great job! Makes me think further before buying these headphones.
A picture of the Sony eq would have been interesting.
Is it normal that there is a slight hiss using this headphones with noise canceling on or do I have a bad unit?
It should be barely noticeable.
You might want to see marques' video on this. He mentions that it might be due to wind falling directly on top of the wearer
just touch the copper place and you will find out
The audio quality drops to that of a 128kbps MP3 (trash) every time the mic is in use. Completely useless for calls, meetings, online gaming etc.
More info: www.reddit.com/r/sony/comments/g3m22l/dont_wh1000xm3_audio_quality_drops_on_call/
@@johannesjungsounds can confirm this does happen, all you have to do is select a a different mic and you're good to go, have been gaming on these for a decent while
Setting the equalizer to "bright" in the app really brings life to the music you're listening to. Try it
Well, audiophiles don't really like when it adds too much. The headphones shouldn't change or add anything to the sound of the track you're listening to.
@@alexanderstojanov4342 It's not adding anything, it just emphasizes on the vocals more and tunes down the base
Anay Jain to be honest turning the EQ off still sounds good 👌🏾
@@alexanderstojanov4342 "audiophiles don't really like..."
Wrong.
Professional critical listening vs listening for fun is a distinction that anyone who claims to like audio must make.
Panth Mantheon dude honestly, audio quality a lot of times are preference. I’m a music producer myself I used a lot of headphones that are “flat rate” for mixing, but when I’m not producing what I wanted is just a nice pair of headphones I can listen to casually and jam to; and the Sony did just that.
Finally some talk about how these really sound, not for a NC Bluetooth headphone but just for a pair of cans in general. Well done. All the NC and Bluetooth don't count for anything if the headphones don't sound decent too. Luckily it looks like it can be EQd to reasonable quality sound.
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The wh 1000x m3 sound much better wired
If you really like vocals ( like me ) you should get de( tdk ba 100) earphone
I bought these specifically for the ANC performance. However, I don’t feel that they sound bad per se, but they are tuned with a sound signature that I don’t really like. EQing in the app dramatically changes the sound, so I feel that the headphones are capable, but not tuned to our liking. I am on iOS, so I don’t have any of the higher end Bluetooth codecs. Nonetheless, I would compare the sound of these to a $150-200 headphone, but with industry leading ANC. I prefer the sound of these (after EQ) over my modded-Sennheiser HD555, but they don’t come close to my HD650 or HD800.
Where these really shine is on an airplane. They cancel out so much outside noise, that I can comfortably listen to music or movies at a low volume and still be able to hear everything. There aren’t many headphones out there that can provide this level of sound quality in that kind of environment.
I would say that the sound is 3/5 , but overall it’s a still a home run 5/5.
After couple of days with these I can say in simple words sound wise: for listening to deep subbass music like trap, dnb/dubstep I believe you can go better.
For listening as mentioned in review mid bass tracks it goes very nice.
I’m listening quiet lot of roots reggae music, mostly recorded with “live” instruments and I can say that these headphones suits me very well for such. Punchy clear bass, ambient mids and trebles especially whit a bit of eq correction. I can say that these are quiet “honest” sounding for original tracks with no “own sound signature”
Regarding noice cancellation they are great 👍
Power blue light is pissing me off as well at darkness
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If you use the Sony companion app for the XM3 - you can use the EQ there. And the big difference is that the EQ is stored on the headphone unit itself.
I.e. if you connect the XM3 to a different device the EQ is kept. This is why LDAC and EQ wont work together as both require the on device DSP - and I guess there is not enough processing to decode LDAC and shape the sound using the EQ.
Jarl S hmm... 🤔 it has 4 times stronger faster chip vs XM2 but they didn’t improve this... it’s merely 4 processors if multitasking the DSP... Sony is lazy or won’t give you all you need. XM4 is coming in few months though...
Also if you use EQ regardless it stay on the phone, unless you use iPhone, it’d fall back to SBC if you check again. On my Pixel I forced it to use AAC but after recheck it won’t stay. Sony is making this really difficult.
@@SpringloftStudio It is pure speculation from my side. I "discovered" that the EQ is kept when my wife used the XM3 for a flight. She does not have the app installed on her phone - but she got the EQ i have setup using the app on my phone. So the EQ stays - and that's when it made "sense" to me that LDAC disables EQ (perhaps decompressing/decoding LDAC takes to much DSP for it to simultaneously do EQ.
Anyho - you can get LDAC and EQ using a third party player such as poweramp.
Jarl S Then in this case the logic is that the Sony app will purposely disable LDAC and APTX or APTX HD. It’s a matter of the right procedure not speculation, but it should be Sony telling us this sensibly expected capability.
What we can prove this is:
1. You probably recognise your EQ sound or can major it weird
2. Change to LDAC in Dev Options
3. Disconnect the headphone or switch it off
4. Change to another phone without an app, or uninstall the app on the original phone
5. Switch on and connect to that clean phone immediately (can’t be the one with the app running in background)
6. Check again in Dev Option what’s the BT codec in use, of it’s LDAC or not
7. If LDAC, play some audio
8. Exit and enter Dev Option again while he audio streaming, if it’s still showing LDAC.
9. Repeat steps 7-8 1-2 more times just to confirm consistency and delay in headphone reporting/reacting BT status to phone
I have not done it yet by removing the app but it’s a good suspicion. However you’ll not have adaptive ANC (which I don’t find it accurate or useful anyway) and any other features, eg optimisation which some said reducing cabin pressure.
At your side you may want to keep checking the Dev Option again when connected to both your your phones one by one? Anyway this is a Sony problem and we’ve been working way too hard for them for free! Thanks
@@SpringloftStudio I totally get what the experiment is. Unfortunately my wife's phone does not support LDAC. And I'm not sure if i want to unistall the app from my phone. But i may try with a friends phone if i get a chance. The reason i know the EQ is the same on my wife's phone is that i have turned down the bass EQ on the XM3 significantly - making the overall sound much less muddy.
BTW - is not the BT protocol used negotiated between devices? I.e. if a phone is "set" to LDAC - but the XM3 handshake says that it is currently only SBC capable - that's' what you get?
Jarl S Understand. I may try that but give me some time.
Our target is whether your method allow XM3 staying in anything other than SBC, and yes if the chip cannot handle LDAC + anything else then the connection will be SBC anyway. But from the point you brought up which also make sense, the app can be the culprit. Then there’d be a method.
In Android if you change the CODEC in Dev Option, it’s only showing what you set. You may need to exit and enter the Dev Option to check again if somethings change it again, and that’s what happening to me all these years since ... HTC one (M7) till now on Google Pixel 2 XL. It’s a matter which component changes the codec and I’m suspecting the app, can be the headphone too but that’s what we need to verify without the app. And that’s why we need to keep repeating the checking few times.
I just got these yesterday and you’re right about the sound. I went into the custom settings on the app and turned off the CLEAR BASS (-10). A few small tweaks to the EQ and viola. Give it a try👍
james higuchi you cannot do this in wired mode though so you cannot use it with flight entertainment
Honestly, I personally qualify a headphone's sound quality based on what potential they have after EQ. I never really run any headphones "stock out of the box", because for me I want a different sound profile for different types of music to begin with, never mind from headphone to headphone.
Some headphones sound pretty great out of the box, but don't have as much range they can be EQd without falling apart. The struggle is, this information can be EXTREMELY hard to find as most people just review SQ when the headphones are flat.
All that being said, in my experience with these headphones, this is my "out of 10" scale for these cans.
Out of the box (compared to any headphones) 4/10
Out of the box (compared to Bluetooth ANC competitors) 7/10
EQ potential (compared to any headphones) 6/10
EQ potential (compared to Bluetooth ANC competitors) 9/10
In my opinion (and I've tested vmoda cf 2 codex, B&W PX, Bose qc35ii, and nuraphones, as well as airpods pro, and the in ear xm3s), the XM3s while not sounding amazing out of the box, have the 2nd best potential when EQd. The best is the nuraphones, by a long shot. The problem is, for me the nuraphones are not your typical Bluetooth headphone... they are very much a "sit and listen" headphone, which removes much of the use case for a BT headphone. With that in mind, the XM3s currently present the best wireless sound signature when properly EQd in my estimation. They are far from perfect, but I still think you can't do any better if you want a wireless ANC headphone you plan on actually moving around in.
Thanks for this info. What app do you use for the EQ?
@@OtoLivingston If you're on Android you could use VLC or Blackplayer
@@lennyswagmaster6567 Men i ve been trying like 7 Eq including yours, Re Equalizer and my 2 phone equializer but all of them has problem, if I increase 16k or 8k Mh to +10 the volume drops down. The only Eq that works well it's from Sony's app but I lose LDAC .
I just got these a week ago. I love 'em. They are expensive and I didn't really want to spend this much on head phones, but they are really good.
Good points you mentioned about the sound which is the main thing about headphones rather than features and techs that so many other reviewers talk about mostly. Personally I want a pair of headphones with great sound to enjoy the music.
Thank you 🌻👍🙋♂️
You wanna enjoy music get them or the Fidelios X2HR, I still prefer the Sony Mx3 for every day use
Well done review, addressed tech-ey semi-audiophile questions I had better than any other I've found so far. Thanks
What other headphones you considering?
@@SuperReview I ordered the M3 earlier today, passed on the M4 due to lack of anything but LDAC codec and there being issues with getting it to work at high bitrates with a lot of android devices. For the money ($200 new ebay) there really isn't much competition right now that I can see. At original retail price sure but not for two hundred bucks. I'm replacing a set of Sennheiser HD 4.40's that I enjoy a lot despite being my lameist headpones lol..
By the way backed into the Samsung smartphone setting is a full 16 bands eq that works on a system level and it changes automatically when you blug in a wired device. You can have completely different eq settings for your Bluetooth and wired devices. Under advanced sound settings then press advanced.
Genius.
@@SuperReview sorry it is a 9 band eq 😅 but you get what I mean. By the way you can also tune the phone speakers through this app. It will also have a different eq than wireless and wired devices. This also applied to Dolby Atmos.
It's just straight up strange that not all phones have that.
Ahmed Wael That sounds fantastic, I’d kill for that feature on my iPhone. (The same old iPhone I haven’t upgraded because it still has a headphone jack)
@@ahmedwael3019 So of I want the BEST audio without it sounding muddy, I just plug it in wired and it will automatically adjust the audio settings? Or do I have to still go under advanced to set the right settings? I'm using S10+
Thank for the the EQ setting already a great headphone to an AWESOME headphone. You said you thought you "fixed it", well you did! WOW love my Sony headphones! best purchase in years yes!
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A re-review should be done on these headphones because when you fixed them with the EQ settings, they were brand new for me. Now that the headphones have Brocken-in/Burn-in OMG. These are hands down amazing. Really would like a follow up on these headphones. And ready for that Sony Real 360 audio this fall, as you can tell, I’m HYPED! I k ow I sound like a commercial but I don’t care, that’s how much I like these cans!
Jason Montoya what app did you use?
@@simonbd5373 Deezer 360. So it was ok... I was like yea audio 360 is good... but the coolness wore off. I cancelled my service, BUT then I saw an update to the Sony app where it “takes” pictures of your ear. And I was like ok lets try the Deezer 360 app not that it downloaded the picture of my ears, supposedly to make the 360 music better... Ok I’m a believer in the 360 audio now, becasue it makes the sound stage so much larger... really like it. I really wish @Super* Review would also re-review because now its really just a difference experience. I anc’t even say the sound separation, because all the sound is separated... by the 360 audio... is really good, but dont over hype it. But i think this is how I want to listen to music now in the future.
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Great review!
What a great review, I really love it. Question:
I prefer using the EQ settings in the Sony app, because it will be stored in the headphones. In this way the sound will more or less be the same with different devices.
Your eq settings in your video, was not from The Sony app, but you told us that you could make the sound allmost as good with the Sony headphone app eq settings. (except the bluetooth protocoll..)
Can you tell me the EQ settings, you recommend for the Sony headphone app? Ik was searching for it, but I can only find your own settings (outside of the sony app). Thank you for your good work.
Thanks Taco. I don’t have the headphones connected to my phone anymore (my wife took them over), but the Sony-app EQ should work the same as the settings I showed. Maybe only difference is I would also turn off the “Clear Bass” option.
No love for ambient sound? I’ve got the WH-1000XM2 and man alive, can’t commute anywhere without them.
It's definitely a cool feature, especially since you can activate it by holding your hand over your ear.
thanks for a pretty clear and to the point review
I would like to thank you for the wonderful review! I now own a set of these!
Thanks i appreciate your work
This is the greatest review ever for the XM3, no cap. I just discovered your channel and you just gained a new follower. Keep it up
As someone who listens to a lot of heavy music. I thought the out of the box experience sounded pretty good. But I definitely understand complaints about the muddy bass when listening to other things
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I agree about the built in sound signature. I've set the eq on my device, not the SONY app, and am using LDAC. Sounds great
now, although I still prefer the AT M50xBT for Bluetooth use.
My biggest problem is comfort around my Dumbo ears. I would give them a 4/5
Men i ve been trying like 7 Eq including Re Equalizer and my 2 phone equializer but all of them if I increase 16k or 8k Mh the volume drops down. The only Eq that works well it's from Sony's app but I lose LDAC .
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Loved the review and the personal input of your minor gripes with the headphones. Just wanted to know what kind of music files were you listening to (FLAC/DSD) as well as if you forced LDAC to be in 990kbps on your s10 in developers options? Sony is notorious for having some extended bass and mid bass tuning wise but can you say you truly experienced the headphones to the fullest extent? I am in the market for these headphones and just truly just interested in how technical you were during your critical listening sessions. Thanks again for the review and I loved your shirt!
99% of my music is 16-bit FLAC. I forget exactly which LDAC settings I found, but I was able to maximize it. FWIW, I found these sound basically the same on LDAC versus lower codecs -- just not a very (lowercase hr) high-res sound.
I also feel these do not change much when using aptx, sbc, ldac listening to flac or tidal high quality. I have sonys mdr 1 abt and those sounded better in wireless mode using ldac in a quiet environment. Of course in noisy environment these are great. Sennheiser momentum 2 wireless / HD1 is also an option and is cheaper. It has noice cancelling that is OK but not Sony level but has better sound quality even if it only supports aptx.
Great review. Just bought these and am glad there is a review on YT like this. TBH this was an impulse buy & the sound is as you call it. Anyways, I'll live with it for now. What i really want to know is, where can i get the wicked HDKN Tee from? It's great!
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I tried mine out yesterday and was both shocked and amazed at the sound quality and volume. I used them with my iPad Pro.
may I ask which Ipad pro you have? I'm asking this because my Skullcandy wireless crushers sound better with my 2n gen ipad pro than my newly purchased 4th gen one.
@@swifty1969 new one. Might be 3rd gen as it’s not the newest one out now
I have both the Sony WH-1000xM2 and the Bose QC 35II. I agree that there is muddiness to the Sonys whereas the Bose are brighter. However, I enjoy the Sony sound more because of the extra punchiness of the bass. I think that Bose has better noise cancelling and comfort; they're light and can be worn for hours without getting hot. The Sonys are heavier and get hot. I'll also give the Bluetooth pairing ease to Bose - I can stay connected to 2 devices with no problem and the connection is immediate/remembered. With the Sony bluetooth, I find myself having to turn off and turn on the headphones and device to get a successful pair. Finally, for calls - Sonys sound awful, but calls are crystal clear on the Bose. No doubt you're paying for the wireless bluetooth on both of these.
Great review, thanks ✌️
You could use your EQ thru the phone to avoid disabling the LDAC, etc. I thought the bass was heavy out of the box as well.
upper bass for me made them boomy, but lowered 400Hz 2 notches and added more oomph to mids and upper mids and some slight lower treble. Now these sound quite similar to my Beyerdynamic DT-250 which are considered Studio reference. Quite satifsfied I have to say.
But he's a snob so 3 stars
Dan Nguyen What do you mean EQ through the phone? And is that possible with an iphone?
@@xelio9050 if get to 13:35 he mentions it
M Donovan alright, but is there anyway to change EQ for music not on the music app? Like I listen to music on TH-cam is there no way to change sound settings for that?
Im so, so happy i watched this. :')
had these cans since they came out and never thought of eq'ing. great tip
ps: would a dac make it better?
Unlikely an external DAC/amplification will be better. When they operate over Bluetooth, there's some internal digital correction. If you use an external setup and connect with a wire, you won't get that correction.
@@SuperReview Yes i meant connected to with the wire not for bluetooth use. wouldn't have to buy another headphone then cause i already use this wired too.
Great video,
A comparison/recommendation with some other ANC headphone like BeyerDynamic lagoon, or audio technica Anc900 could be nice, talking about sound quality.
I'll compare them to the new Bose soon.
The boomy tuning is horrible indeed.
I wish the internal EQ had some more bands...
Very good review and mirrors exactly my impressions as a proud owner. Use it mostly for the ANC though so the mediocre sound can be tolerated. But compared to my one more Triple driver in-Ears for 70 Euros they do not stand a chance. EQ repairs the frequency balance, but soundstage and resolution are still not great.
That's weird.... I bought both the triple and quad driver versions and found them both horrible in the midbass range. I ordered the Sony's today but if these are even worse than the OneMore's they will be returned.
@@marcelbruinsma Well take that as a comparison to a random pair of Over or In Ears that are targeted to deliver audiophile sound. The sony are not made for a demographic that expects this. They rather stand in the proud tradition of 80's Hifi devices that produce a punchy bass and a pleasant overall sound with no special regard to soundstage, resolution and stuff.
@@omtom68 I just received them and set them up.
I tinkered a bit with the settings but even out of the box I'm pleased with the sound.
Glad I bought them. The ANC is fantastic.
Returned the sony xm3 due to the sound and have been really happy with the Audio Technica SR50BT ever since . Not so much fancy features but great overall sound!
I had no idea of that EQ limiting bluetooth codec :( I already ordered them and they are arriving soon.
Anyway I really liked your honest review that felt like you actually used them unlike many othet youtubers.
I about to order this, I knew about the eq thing for months.
Imma research before imma spend that amount of money
Hammy weell I mostly listen to Spotify anyway, which has a builtin eq that doesnt downgrade codec.
Honestly, IMO these headphones aren't high enough resolution to tell the difference between SBC and LDAC. FWIW. If I was using these daily (my wife is), I'd use the in-app EQ and forget about the Bluetooth codec.
Well, I guess what sounds good and what doesn't is kinda subjective. Personally I really like the default EQ settings, I guess you can't call it flat since the headphones always apply an EQ internally when they are powered up. When using the headphones over cable, while the headphones are turned off (so without EQ), the sound is a little less bassy, perhaps a little less warm. I prefer the sound with the headphones turned on (but without applying any EQ in the app or whatever). But from what you've said, I figure the sound of the headphones while turned off would be closer to what you prefer.
It would have been interesting if you would have added a sound sample once flat and once tuned to the EQ you think sounds best on the headphones. Then people could have compare it for themselves (listening to the video on the WH-1000XM3).
You could still add a link to a sample in the description of course. But I figure not so many people would notice if it's not in the video.
Another thing is his hearing could be damaged. You wouldn't believe how many "audiophiles" out there actually have trouble hearing past certain frequencies. Not to mention it also depends on what he is listening to and who. Most small musicians can't afford good mixing and mastering services so they do it themselves and they often end up with a muddy mix. There are times where even professionaly mixed and mastered songs sound awful. I always take these sort of reviews with a large portion of salt. If a vast majority say it's decent then it's probably decent. The term audiophile is for snobs and individuals who have very little to no sound engineering knowledge and just want you to think they know what they are talking about because they are an "audiophile".
Your are so right about the sound quality of these headphones. My first impression after listening 5 seconds to a random song was "uh oh... I hope there is a good equalizer available or we will never be true friends." As much as I like everything else about them, this really sucks ass, plus the fact that you can only use the lowest transmission standard when using the Sony app's equalizer. This is a shame.
But after finding a really good equalizer and being in the lucky position of only using it with Spotify on my phone, it is great. Otherwise I would have had to return it.
Which equalizer do you recommend?
@@gyro6181 Eqfy works fine for me. No useless gimicks and it works perfect with spotify for example. But I had to return the WH1000XM3 anyway. No matter what I tried they sound way too narrow for my taste. They seem to be incapable of creating the wide sound bubble I like to float in. With these headphones its more like a sound fish glas. QC35II is what I replaced them with. Sorry Sony, I really tried.
Hi. Spotify has pretty bad quality of music. Try switching to Tidal. They have mostly .flac-Files available. You should maybe also consider to change the phone to a newer LG since those have a QuadDAC with ALL necessary options to tweak the sound (digital filters, virtual surround, balancer, EQ) and its plays most of the headphones louder than other phone because of the 75 seperate volume settings. I use this setup and cant even complain a bit. Set the digital filter to short (more kickbass) and thats all i had to tweak for a crisp sound. Hope it helps.
@@Capo2209 thank you for the tip. It's just that I am well aware of which stream provides which quality and no matter which one I try, in direct comparison the Sony always sounds way too narrow and just not how I like it. Again, I really want to like it but Bose seems to get it just right for my taste and Sony doesn't
Try the app "Precise Volume (+ EQ/Booster)" if you have an Android phone. It supports system-wide EQ and, unlike Sony's app, won't lower from better codecs down to SBC.
While you're listening to music, if someone is talking to you, you can hear them simply by holding your hand on top of your right ear. That will activate the build-in microphone and turn on ambient sound control. When releasing your hand, the music starts playing again.
I just thought it was a nice feature.
Yeah, it's smart -- I find it more useful for eaves dropping type listening than for having conversations, since even though you know you can hear someone, I don't think most people know you can hear them when you're covering your ear. Wearing headphones + putting your hands over your ear can send the wrong signal.
Hey, thanks for the great review. Could you tell me what microphone you use for your video? It sounds great.
Giant Squid Audio lav mic.
I've just returned these headphones to the store for the exact same reasons you mention in this video.
I bought these headphones before a flight...got on the flight and was absolutely blown away by the Noise Cancelling. However, I agree with everything you say, I thought there was way to much mid-bass and the sound was muddy. I checked on a few different genres and even my own music, and still thought the same...they completely changed the mix of my track. Like you, I fixed this using EQ, however after a few hours of use I decided that £250 is too much for a pair of headphones that I need to tweak my EQ on my music app every time I want t o use them. For £250, they should sound excellent straight out of the box.
@@armza9975 see this is where I stumble, I don't know. What I do know is that time after time I reach for my Bose SoundTrue Ultra in-ear earphones. They're not noise cancelling. They're not bluetooth. They don't have any flashy gimmicks. They are however my favourites. Bluetooth is so convenient, but at the cost of sound quality, I take wired every day. That being said I have just signed up to the subscription with Nuraphone - just to see what they're like. Here's a link to the subscription: bit.ly/2tNpxSv
£250 isn't much for a pair of headphones, it's even less for a pair of ANC Bluetooth headphones. My wired Sennheiser headphones cost over £1000 and the headphones I take out doors (Philip's Fidelio x2hr) cost more than these Sony headphones.
If you want excellent quality music you don't buy Bluetooth headphones at £250.
What headphones do you recommend as I was going to buy a pair of these ones but not sure now.....
Just get the AKG K371
these are real reviews. this guy is so thorough and knows his shit. Very few channels these days are this bloody good
Excellent review!
Thanks Mister.
I'm gonna sub you're the only TH-camr that talked about the bass, I wish I saw this video before I bought them. I knew I should've gone with the Bose, kinda regret buying them now
In fairness he didn't really say the Bose are better either, and I'm pretty confident he would not be crazy about the untuned sound from those either. Not sure if you mean the 700 or the qc35ii, but I tested the qc35ii and they were barely better "flat", and the XM3 had better EQ potential, not to mention better tech and codec support.
Feeding from a good source with a good format(flac) this is one of the best headphones, i cannot find any better, especially in nc but i love its sound too
No. It doesn't..
@@Mask242 Then your ears are shit
Btw what other headphone do you think it is better, or why do you say that this is not, because I completely cant understand you
@@adambalogh8563 Don`t argue with stupid people.
Ádám Balogh what dac do you use or straight from your phone or laptop?
Bought these and he’s absolutely right the sound quality is disappointing I was so disappointed considering everyone hypes these up so much
I could also add that, with a lot of music material, with all the settings intact (no eq), and the noise cancelling on - the bass was heavily distorted. The headphones could not handle themselves until the noise cancelling is turned off, then the bass is not distorted any more. I tried speaking to the store, I took a listen to the m4 - no issues there, but they dont consider this as a defect so they would not offer an exchange.
Love the videos very detail. Any chance of making a top 5 headphone video?? like a summarize recommendation Thank you
My top 5 headphones: Koss KSC75, Sennheiser HD600
@@SuperReview Recommend a few earbuds that a entry level amp will power or uses its the most potential ?
Bowers and Wilkins PX still have my heart.
TBH, I listened to PX, QC25, and 1000XM3 back to back and PX was my least favorite sounding 🤷♀️
Spotify's EQ good enough for me, that's all that I'll use.
hey! I Really enjoyed your video. Thank you!
I just have one question. As a person who doesn't really listen to much music, but sits in an office and listens to a lot of "academic" videos, would you recommend this? you rate the quality of the sound a 2/5 which kind of discouraged me, but I just don't know if I myself would find a difference. I use basic 90$ headphones usually, but i wanted to get a better quality headphone and this one is reviewed very well! What do you think? Thanks for any information:)!
for academic videos these will probably punch well above the necessary standard. The low rating is probably because of an emphasis on bass that the cans have, which creates a rather colored sound vs a flat frequency response some people prefer. the tldr is that the sony's emphasis bass because it makes people groove more and the masses like it, if you aren't too concerned about critical listening with uncompressed sound files, I think these would work just fine. ANC is amazing(from personal experience). Also, there is a setting in the app that is for speeches, so I'm sure whatever video lectures you watch will be very clear.
I honestly think you'll love them.
Use the XM3's or just buy the HD6XX's for only 200 bucks.
THANK YOU. This was EXACTLY my reaction listening to these cans. Bass, mud, congestion, lack of detail. Everyone was raving about the sound and I was shaking my head. But, like you, I found that EQ really helped. But they aren't what I want to listen to unless I need that noise cancellation.
Well , that's what you would hear from average joe - he'd praise it. And due to hype , everyone else would try to justify his dumbness to overpay , so they'd call it "best ever". Same with all other peripherals - keyboards , mousepads , mice. Avg. Joe would say g pro , g502 , qck? All 3 far from true.
@@Divinity_vA are you saying the g pro isn't one of the best Bluetooth mice on the market other than the razer viper? Lol
@@maphacks8311 1.Yes , 2. If you call GPW "bluetooth" mouse , you're clueless average consumer at its finest.
@@Divinity_vA then mind naming the best wireless mouse?
When u see video this long u know first 10 min are waste of time
It's called a review. Where the person in the video, the reviewer, reviews the item he is reviewing. That means that, if he is any good, he is going to explain everything about the item. He might even give some personalized situations to going even deeper in depth.
No it's not, the headphones are a complete package. You want to chuck out all of the physical aspects?
But he gets 2 ads
You and I would get along well!
Maybe for you, don't assume everyone thinks like you.
"See you in the next super review" holds up peace sign!
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Interesting review. I bought the xm3s for my long commute to work which I guess is their intended function. They are so good in that situation nothing came close until the newer ones came out. I always struggle with audiophile headphones because they sound too thin to me. I think my ears yearn for the over done bass.
Yeah, everyone's tastes are different, but I do expect I could find a headphone that I like a lot better (for sound) that you would also. Probably wouldn't have ANC tho :P
Have you tried to turn off the "Ambient Sound Control" found in the Sony Head phone App during your reveiw?
If not.. then do so..
Pls update me with the results, i am very interested in your feedback..
God bless
Try with LDAC and noise canceling off - no boosted bass and you'll hear the range of wide sound frequency
I own these along with way too many other headphones. Thankfully my wife hasn’t divorced me yet from buying thousands of dollars worth of gear but I actually really like them. If you want clean neutral detail these aren’t necessarily it but they are really nice for movies and gaming. I have no problem with the soundstage and imaging. The noise canceling puts me in my own world playing games or watching movies. The mid bass is very prominent however I do not find the bass in these to be muddy. The drivers do have the capability to deliver some pretty good detail if you EQ the bass down a bit. I do notice if you use them wired the headphones need to be turned on. The drivers by themselves sound kind of weird but when you turn them on DSP correction kicks in and they sound great. That’s probably their biggest weakness. Digital signal processing allows for tuning. It would be great if the raw drivers were spot on but the only way you can really enjoy them is when they are turned on. All said and done I think these are the best noise canceling Bluetooth headphones on the market if you want to drown out the world and enjoy movies and gaming. Music is certainly great too but if you’re picky you can use EQ settings
Men i ve been trying like 7 Eq including Re Equalizer and my 2 phone equializer but all of them if I increase 16k or 8k Mh the volume drops down. The only Eq that works well it's from Sony's app but I lose LDAC .
i like how you are still answering to youtube comments on a 2 year old video. Now thats some serious dedication towards providing accurate information. keep up the grind man i hope your channel grows quick!
Hey great review, I was about to buy them but now I will wait. Can you recommend a good pair of headphones? ANC is not that important but sound quality is a big deal breaker for me.
Koss KSC75
@@SuperReview Will Check them out thanks. Plus Prime deals are going on. Perfect time for a purchase
@@SuperReview Seriously?
Afaik there are systemwide EQs for phones usually
I just bought one. I think you're so right. I wish they had the sound of my 50e sennhaiser cans.
Thanks for the eq, definitely sounds better. :)
Hi there! I'm a little confused. May I know if the EQ settings on the Sony app would still apply when playing on Spotify? And will the quality drop to SBC or a lower quality?
Also just to confirm, if I were to use wire instead of Bluetooth, the problems mentioned in 15:16 won't occur right? Thanks!!
If you set EQ in the Sony Headphones app, yes, it will apply when playing Spotify. Yes, it will force Bluetooth into SBC mode. When using a wire, there's no Bluetooth involved. I'm not sure if the EQ works over the wire, though.
@@SuperReview Hey man, thanks for the reply! Ahh what a bummer... I was about to get myself this pair of headphones, but now I'm starting to reconsider a little. I hope this problem gets fixed for the upcoming XM4 hahaha
Thanks for the minor issues mentions Robo Cop!
Good review. I listened to these headphones about three times in the store and just did not like the sound quality at all, sadly. Great technology, great noise cancelling, but if you're used to a higher quality headphone, you won't be satisfied with these. (I'm too used to my Sony MDR-7506 audio professional headphones). I wouldn't be able to enjoy these aside from traveling probably, and even then...
The wireless headphones not just Sonya are still very much behind the wired.
This the First honest review of the wireless SQ and actually speaking on sound quality and not about comfort and features.
What music app did you use to get the first equalizer, and did that take away the Bluetooth quality the same way Sony's own app did?
It's called Omnia, and no, it doesn't affect the Bluetooth codec that the headphones uses.
Thanks for mentioning the problems when using EQ. I'll give these a pass. The noise cancelling is amazing, but in the shop the sound signature was atrocious.
Everyone who considers buying these headphones should watch this video first! I bought both the WH-1000XM3 and the Bose NC 700 and after extensive testing, I returned the Sony's with pain in my heart. In theory, I think the Sony CAN be a much better sounding device than the Bose. After tweaking the Sony to my liking with the equalizer, it sounded absolutely incredible in many songs and created a much richer sound than the Bose could ever deliver. HOWEVER, on the default settings the Sony sounds absolutely horrible. The default settings sound so muddy it is almost like you are listening to music under water, or like your upstairs neighbours are listening to music and you can only hear the base. I would nonetheless have kept the Sony's if it would have offered the opportunity to permanently change the EQ settings in the app and store them so the new settings apply on any app and device. Unlike the Bose (after the firmware update), the Sony's however don't offer this possibility, with means that you are stuck to the default settings whenever you are using these headphones on another device than your phone or tablet (like a laptop of TV). Long story short: I would recommend the Sony's over the Bose if you only use them with your phone and you are willing to change the EQ-settings. But I would recommend the Bose to anyone else. They never sound as amazing as the Sony's can sound with the right settings, but at least they always sound descent.
What eq settings did you use on the Sony?
This was a top quality review👍
Nice of you to say.
MDR-1AM2 uses the same drivers but sounds more detailed due to different tuning and the fact that it is not compromised by the use of active electronics. It is a tad V-shaped compared to ATH-MSR7 or Takstar Pro 82.
How do they sound vs. MDRV6?
Can you also review some brands from Sennheiser and Audio-Technica? :)
Also, try reviewing the VE Monks Plus! :)))
Love your content btw! Keep it coming! :)
Planning a video with VE Monks soon.
The boomy base was the same reason why I didn't get these and started researching if others had noticed the same. They had and the sony app eq was not that great anyway, and forced to downgrade from LDAC...
I dug a little deeper and found this:
github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq
Rooting my OnePlus and then viper4 convolver eq for the model of Senn's I have produces a really nice flat frequency response. I want to go and test a convolver equalisation on the XM3's now :)
I'm a bit of an audio nerd myself, my main setup is made from active studio monitors (Genelec 8030B's) all around :P
This is such a great find!! Thank you for sharing. I've been hesitant about getting these because of the sound quality reviews but the ANC is why I'm still so attached to the Sony.
Would you say the m50s have a better sound quality over these?
@@akhilsettypalli8862, In the end, I didn't go test the XM3's, but it did a good job with the Sennheisers.
So I would say there's a high chance that it will enhance the sound if you do like more neutral tone.
I had these in studio for a magazine shoot in February, but didn't try them out. Now I wish I had!
Who you shooting for?
What closed back (office friendly) cans would you recommend?
Haven't heard anything closed back that has my ideal sound signature, but some ones I still like a lot: Fostex TR-X00, Creative Aurvana Live, Meze 99 Classics, Koss SP330. Purely on sound, the Koss are probably my favorite in that bunch, but all fun listens.
Im waiting for the M4. Every year they had a new one in June/Aug..
Same man same or maybe the 2nd Gen Nuraphones, Have you tried them out(1st Gen(? They blow the bose an sony's out the water as far as sound go's but comfort level is 2 out of 5, they basically look as comfortable as they look.