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CHAPTERS
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2:05 Women are oppressed by today's beauty standards
5:06 Makeup has changed how I'm treated by people
8:58 I have felt uncomfortable leaving home without makeup
12:26 Altering your skin color is cultural appropriation
17:07 There is no harm in children using makeup
20:45 There is such a thing as too much makeup
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The makeup wearers thought makeup helped them show off their true selves, while the makeup-free people felt it actually covered up who they are. All wanted to express themselves and did it in opposite ways.
Underrated comment right here ❤️
Them true selves? How does makeup help you achieve your true self?
@@Lebronwski The way they express themselves. Makeup is an art and a therapy for some people
@@risingwho3503 Exactly
A real Middle Ground here loll
I wear makeup, but it's pretty ignorant and untruthful to laugh or deny the fact that the beauty/makeup industry exploits people's insecuties.
there is an insecurity they are just feed it to grow more
Yaah
@@mojojojo8631 yeah i think that makes is just a way to hide who you truly are and this world deems not wearing makeup as opposed when it's literally the opposite you're just opressing yourself trying to change yourself for others.
It definitely does. Especially when you have ppl who don’t feel comfortable going out with it or even lashes
fr, that's just a fact
the makeup wearers tried to convince everyone that they're so confident, but they gave so many examples that show they're not really
Excatly, I still believe women who wear make up are unconfident and insecure people, like most of them! And then they come into the comments and try to convince us they are not lol.. people who wear makeup or dress half naked are all doing it for the society and attention and not for themselves.
I don't really blame them, we live in a society were industries prey on woman insecurities
Thats dishonesty for me. You're coming for a show on TH-cam that requires some honesty and most of your answers are not. That shows me how people who make their lives about makeup or womanhood or femininity are unhappy/have issues. You're a human before everything,not just a woman. But it seems like most of them just focus on being woman. Everything about them becomes "being woman". And that's sad. I'm just displeased of the fact that they weren't honest. Bc that was the point here.
@@bgos4727 the industries are all controlled by men. For women who claim they are strong and empowered well shouldn’t they tell these men where to stick their make up? I find it ironic . It is very much so for the male gaze. Because at home with your nearest and dearest who see your bare skin do most women wear make up or do their hair or specially selected clothing ? If they were honest they would say no . So it is very much for “others”
@@Edameda_mmori Femininity isn’t a bad thing. Everyone has different preferences and some woman just prefer to dress in feminine clothing. Some people are passionate about makeup but that doesn’t mean they are insecure.
Sorry for my English
The three girls that don’t wear makeup have such clarity and are so articulate. Really admire their points of view.
Makeup … and often… for those who lather on thick layers and look like they’re performing in a pantomime… can often demonstrate so much about a person’s personality… particularly their intelligence.
Me too! Love the girl whos blonde shes so caring and sweet ( forgot her name..still watching :)
its such a problem that being "put together" for a woman means that they wear makeup
I understand what you're saying- but for me growing up, my grandmother used to say that as in- don't look like you just rolled out of bed. And given the context, I stand by that most of the time. Brushing your hair, ironing a few crinkles out a shirt and putting on a nice pair of shoes can really pull a look together, even without makeup, regardless of gender. Plus, pulling my self together is good for my self esteem/mental health- instead of the no shower, don't care depression look.
Many people if they are honest would rather not be seen without their make up
i know especially in the workplace if you don’t wear makeup you look like a slob and unprofessional
Most of the girls I dated didn’t wear makeup.
@@agathachris9722 there are days where I would definitely not like to be seen without makeup 🤣 when I don’t sleep or when I’m not feeling well lol
Not wearing makeup: ok.
Wearing makeup: ok.
Being too dependent on makeup: Not ok.
Exploiting flaws for people to buy makeup: Not ok.
Who decides they're flaws? Oneself.
@Harmony So she's weak. At the end of the day it is up to you what you consider a flaw and what you consider good.
@@danielarejas7118 she’s not weak, she was exploited. There’s so much pressure for women to be perfect and proper. I get what you’re saying, but these messages are constantly being sent to every woman. Atleast, one message ( often more) will affect us in our lifetime. Having positive support is ideal in these cases. Just saying “be yourself” isn’t gonna cut it.
This comment SUMS UP EVERYTHING
@@marilynspirit Right, it's only women who are pressured. Oh we're the poor victims always!
Culturally, people have been painting their faces and adorning them for millions of years. It’s fun and does carry meaning, a sense of power. But the way it is now, as a standard that’s run through years of sexism, it preys on insecurity and false roles.
Fakeup = ugly
Very well said!
Well, not “millions” of years. Humans have been around for 300 000 years.
Moreover, human civilizations have only existed for the last 6000 years.
@@onanar9648clearly
Why do you feel the need to wear makeup though?
I love how respectful and kind everyone was! No shaming, talking over each other or judging. Everyone simply listened and felt safe to tell their story. I think that's beautiful
Fr I think this was the most respectful jubilee video I saw
@@NomNomDrawingsI was just about to comment that! But really I've never seen a Jubilee video that was so chill
when they were introducing themselves, that first girl just set everyone off to say 'im excited'
I noticed that immediately too lol
Ik i was like ok we get it you’re all excited 😂
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? Umm, we're not triggered by it? Just noticed and thought it was interesting/funny.
Lol
I was like
"... and my reserving my excitement"
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? you need to stop projecting lol.
It's okay if you don't wear makeup. Just don't judge others for wearing it. Same thing goes for people who wear makeup, don't judge others for not wearing it.
You shouldnt judge others but don't get pressed when you get called a catfish
Pretty sure that's the purpose of 90% of the middle ground topics. Like have your own opinion but that shouldn't mean attacking the other side.
Girls that wear 100 lbs of makeup are honestly hideous, they look like their face is melting
@@BumBanditt and if they want to look like that, let them😂 it’s their life at the end of the day. It’s not like they’re forcing you to like them or wear makeup like that. But I get it, that’s your opinion, I respect that.
@@BumBanditt ok...and?
as someone who loves makeup and has since i was i kid i still agree with many of the points by the non makeup side, it rlly depends on how each individual views makeup and what they use it for
Fakeup sucks.
Literally.
I don't know 1 prostitute who does not wear fakeup.
I loved the no makeup people. They were so genuine. I felt like the makeup wearers were a bit in denial.
Denial about what exactly?
@@poopy_kitty0160well at 14:12, she said people go to the extreme and don’t look like themselves anymore. But she’s denying that she’s one of those people
I also hate how features/body types keep going in and out of fashion. Like the way someone’s born shouldn’t be a fad one week then out of style the next. It’s really weird.
Humans in general are fickle and weird.
@@Zoe-xb6jd To be fair there are some variations, dadbod etc. Although I agree that generally larger is seen as better for male standards.
But also you shouldn't care about whats in or not. Your style is you and infinite and who cares about the rest. As long as you feel comfortable thats whats truly in or not.
Exactly
Yah if you been trying to get thick then quit. Next season its the mascular women in style
Makeup only becomes harmful when someone “can’t” be without it and is psychologically dependent on it for their confidence or sense of identity
That’s why I sometimes don’t like wearing makeup, if I believe I am beautiful naturally then why would I cover up my face to make myself look like a different version of myself even if it’s just mascara or lipstick it still makes me look different so I do try to take a very natural approach to makeup
yeah thats why i think there should be a balance with it
Most girls are dependent on it for a confidence boost. You rarely see any girls with no make on at a club/bar on a weekend
@@liggmabawls5634 I mean you rarely see women or men at bars/clubs with sweats and slides on lol makeup is the same as clothes, people wear it based on the occasion. If I’m going to my cousins wedding, I’m gonna wear heels, a fancy dress, and makeup. If I’m going to the gym, I’m not going to wear makeup and put on my dirty running shoes. If I’m going to work at the office I’m going to put my hair up, wear flats, slacks, and a work button up. It’s all based on the occasion. I personally feel pretty no matter what I’m wearing or how much makeup I have, as long as I personally like what I have on then I feel good. If I don’t like the makeup I have one, or the shirt I’m wearing or the shoes I’m walking in then I won’t feel confident, no matter where I am
@@liggmabawls5634 The key word is “dependent” though. Liking makeup or preferring makeup isn’t the same as *needing* makeup.
I think wearing makeup raises our expectation of what a person looks like especially women(many women wear makeup) and i find it harmful in the sense that it kind of erases the natural beauty of a person and creates a false image of what a beautiful person is supposed to look like. Men don't have to wear makeup to be attractive because we are naturally attracted to them and the same thing should be applied to women. Gist of it is that a woman's natural face should be normalised and considered attractive without any makeup.
This is so true
@@ThatBeach23 From what I have seen, teens and young women are more into makeup whereas middle aged women wear very minimal makeup. What you said might be true but this happens both ways as teens want to look older than their age.
I agree. The majority of women wear make up and I've caught myself no longer being interested in women when I see them without make up a lot of times. It can be confusing!
@@ThatBeach23 that is just not true? most teens do not have flawless skin. me and everyone around me had acne riddled skin and we just looked awkward now that i’m 20, my skin is finally great. idk if you consider 20 young tho….
@@ThatBeach23 uh, maybe kids have clear skin, but most teenagers definitely don’t.
I don't wear makeup because it's expensive and I'm lazy
There's no deeper philosophy really
it sucks cuz women who wear makeup are more likely to be hired and promoted but at the same time women who wear makeup are seen as frivolous and told that they wear makeup just for men. women just can’t win
Lol wahhh
@@liggmabawls5634 what.....?
Women have been wearing and obsessed with makeup since ancient times - long before the current makeup industry existed. Its not just some con played on women by and industry or men at large - its something that actually comes about because of (many) womens human nature. Im not saying its positive or that it has to be negative - but women will never stop feeling insecure about their appearances or trying to improve them and idealized versions of women will always exist. There's nothing you can do about it - its human nature, its womens nature.
@@poocrayon4588 Oh F off
@@poocrayon4588 women haven’t been obsessed with wearing makeup. in fact in old times both man and women used to wear makeup. anyway idk what was the point of ur comment
"Women are oppressed by todays beauty standards"
Everyone should have come out front.
Why?
Maybe if they had all women on the makeup side...
Facts, males or females, they should’ve went up
I totally agree
@@justcurious2439 because the beauty industry is often incredibly toxic and sets up unrealistic expectations for women especially. we can be made to feel unworthy and ugly because we don't look as flawless as people on social media who wear makeup and then don a filter over top
Bryn girl when you said, "it comes off". I felt that in my soul
Bryn seems so peaceful and amazing, someone I’d be friends with. I don’t wear makeup so much anymore and I feel way better now.
She seems like someone with whom I can sit down and have deep knowledgeable interactions.
for real she looks like such a kind soul. Just from the way she listens to people and talks to them. What a sweet person
It's very interesting how the ones with full makeup refer to social media while non-makeup refer to real life.
Righttt, they did. Just shows how much social media *u*ks up our life.
it is also cause they are the influencers. it is their job to put on makeup for social media which is why they have a perspective on it
@@asthenamesuggests9513 it’s doesn’t show that, wearing makeup doesn’t mean your life is fucked up
@@addie3147 what? It was not what I was saying at all. I'm talking about how social media put you in a space where you think there was nothing in life except existing on the internet.
I know how that feels like, I was there, my real life was completely out of control over building the imagery I wanted to present to the internet. It does *u*k up our mind and honestly, people that is so on the loop would not be able to discover real life connection until they realize how much social media changes their cognitive function and the way their brain works.
Broooo!
‘Ageing is a beautiful thing and it should be celebrated’
Yeees.
Yeah maybe I shouldn't throw away my apple.
Word
Er no
yes many ppl are not lucky enough to live that long
i love makeup but i really wanna be friends with Bryn shes such a pure soul ❤️
The real question is "why do you wear makeup?" Many people feel the need to wear it or else they are not succeeding the standards and are less than. I personally believed this at one point in my life and now I am proud to say that I do not wear makeup anymore. It really messes me up and I don't want to feel the need of looking perfect because I don't look perfect and it's important to show that.
This is one of the most authentic, peaceful middle grounds I've seen. They were all so respectful.
because their opinions are really the same. Their point was: "I feel more aesthetic with/without makeup" - and there is no point in arguing about aesthetics because that is a preference entirely. So this whole discussion is void.
@@wolfsmaid6815 I still found it fascinating to hear their points of view
@@Livmylifelivi yes hearing so many perspectives was fascinating and I loved the delivery in all the different personalities.
I thought this exactly. It was actually so nice that they could share their opinions so politely and respectfully even when they disagreed on things.
Because it wasn't political
I've noticed many women I watch on youtube will say "sorry for my face" or apologize for not wearing makeup or looking a certain way. Sadly, some ppl feel like they have to apologize for being themselves, especially when you're putting so much of your life on the internet.
you can be yourself and still wear makeup...makeup is another form of art and for some people it’s apart of them and that’s valid
@@xoogaboogax i don't think they were saying you can't be yourself with makeup. i think they meant that you're still yourself without it
@@xoogaboogax That’s not what they were saying
The reason why they apologize is because they think they are disappointing their viewers and supporters. But I agree, it’s sad that people/public is less forgiving when they reveal their “true” face. Make-up gurus have to be very strong and confident to not give a fuck about trolls or haters ):
Agreed! I notice a lot more of these apologies with more zoom calls with work. Even as far as then not wanting to turn their camera on because they look a mess and they do not have any makeup on” there will be half a dozen people on the call and they will be the one person who does not want to have their camera on for this specific reason and this one alone.
i would love to see a middle ground for and against cosmetic surgery :)
Yas! Nowadays is so normalized but I'd like to hear other people's opinion on the topic :)
They already filmed a one about that
@@brianna4657definitely not normalized, unless you’re online or live in a city like Miami or LA
I used to not even walk out the front door without a FULL face of makeup. Now, for the past 3 years, I’ve gone without makeup and I feel more confident than ever!
I think we all can have different thoughts about makeup, but we can't ignore that there's a huge industry at its root trying to sell us insecurities, an aesthetic to aspire, and an idealized idea of what a woma should look like.
Yeah that's why feminists exist
@@ok-qz3kz what we need is a middle ground understanding of it. Unfortunately, today's feminism ain't it lol
@@omnium_gatherum I know I was just saying why they existed, also this isn't a "lol" moment.
@@ok-qz3kz if that's why they exist, then isn't that basically saying "they've got it under control?" I'm just saying they're incapable of providing that solution.
It's pretty "lol" to me. 🤷🏻 It's comical how unproductive they've become that they can't even do their own job right. It's not like I'm saying you have to laugh at it too lol
Not only woman wear makeup
I wish they had gotten people who do different kinds of makeup. They seem to have gotten all Instagram Baddies. I would be nice to hear a E-girl/boy thoughts or a “natural beat” person maybe even a goths person take on things.
Or even just ppl who do natural makeup
Nah.
true
yes! would have loved a goth perspective!
Was thinking the same thing.
The discussion about the fox eye trend was very interesting for me because I’m East Asian. I didn’t know that people likened the fox eye to our eyes and so I didn’t know people like me were getting offended. If anything, now knowing this fact, I feel flattered because it makes me feel less insecure about my upturned eyes and it has made me appreciate my natural features a lot more. Sure, trends come and go, and I actually don’t follows beauty trends because I already have my own style. But this trend has made me feel beautiful and feel at peace with my eyes haha
It's not actually supposed to look like the typical 'asian' eyes, it's just that some asian people made the connection and tried to prevent others from doing it
@@naariznica3133 oh lol 😂 people really be making a big deal out of anything these days haha
Upturned eyes are pretty
@@naariznica3133 it is thank you, and it is asian fishing, seen ariana grande? - countless people. you would not understand the bullying and racism I experienced because of my eyeshape.... and now people make our eyes a trend, its unacceptable just like blackfishing. trends come and go and dont care whom they hurt. and slanting the eye is all you need to tell. its so disrespectful to me personally, because of the bullying and self harm ive endured because of the discrimination.
@@blackequine.official it's really not, it's just that you have victim mentality and feel so self important that you have to make everything about you. Let me tell you that eye shape isn't strictly east asian either. I guess you are an american. That is not a problem anywhere else in world. Get off your high horse. Just because you suffered because of it doesn't mean others need to.
Weird that people have such a strong opinions about makeup. I wear it sometimes, and some other times feels like slaying my natural face. I feel great in both times. its really all about what makes you happy...
Personally, I hate wearing makeup since it gives me bad acne. Objectively speaking, as long as you're not hurting anybody or yourself, you do you.
Edit: If you haven't watched the Save Ralph video yet, please do so. In summary, if you like wearing makeup please make use of those vegan and/or cruelty-free types. Never support animal abuse.
The only reason i rarely have make up on. People say that i didn't remove them thoroughly but I did. I did the same thing as them but pimples keep popping up.
Let's see how many subs I can get from this one
@@alyatalitha3717 I upload photo editing tutorials you can come if you want to
My wife gets break outs every time she wears makeup as well. She actually loves putting it on, as she is really meticulous and has fun with it almost like its art.
But every single time she gets pimples or skin irritation. She has tried everything to isolate what specific product causes it, but it always irritates her skin.
My wife looks absolutely stunning with makeup. The most beautiful woman in the world for me. But I’ve long accepted that her wearing makeup 99% of the year is out of the question.
It’s opened my eyes tho at just how much work women go through for cosmetics. Its not simple. So I think men should be more understanding and not expect it. Especially when many actually suffer skin irritation.
You literally say, “objectively speaking”, and then proceed to make a subjective statement. FYI
maaaan the lighting of these middle ground episodes doesn't flatter anyone, makeup or not
Lol yea.. Flourescent lights show dark circles under the eyes and overall just makes anyone look a bit worse. *ahem* I'm looking at you, schools.
Literally, I can link you guys some amazon ring lights 😂
Idk but in all the episodes it helped me focus more on what they have to share than how they look
This is why I literally go in like every room when I am getting ready
Please add a soft box pointing up and at them ♥️ 💡
I don’t wear makeup at all. But I do take care my skin and work out daily. To me that is beautify
best comment here
Thats my definition of beauty too!!!! BUT i wear makeup and dont workout so i am very insecure since i do the opposite of what i find beautiful
this was SUCH a beautiful conversation, one of the most respectful and understanding that I've seen on this page
HOW WHY DID ONLY TWO PEOPLE STEP FORWARD ABOUT WOMAN BEING OPPRESSED BY BEAUTY STANDARDS OMGSKSHS
literally the first question and i was so shocked! like i legit wear makeup often but girl the beauty standards 100% affect women no questions asked
two of them whispered that they didn't know what "oppressed" means. I just ...
I lost all hope when only two people stepped up for that question 😩 that’s how you know they are seriously brainwashed
I got highkey shocked 🤣
because the rest don’t think women are oppressed? i mean, yes, there are ”standards”, but if you feel oppressed by them maybe it’s your insecurity speaking. i’ve never felt the need to do something just because others do and i’m a woman. i’ve never been forced into a mold (at least successfully).
Bryn was so open-minded I honestly want to be friends with her.
She is so insightful
she just seems so kind and loving and i love her style too :3
thank you friends!!
@@brynchesser3547 Can't believe you actually answered! Hope you have a great day
@@redwolfe3455 I know right?
As an autistic woman, makeup plays a huge role in my life. It allows me to express myself, to feel like myself and to control how people perceive me. I also find that by wearing loud, colourful makeup, I attract the kind of people that I feel safe unmasking around into my life which is huge for me
Why do you need it to feel like yourself though? Like you are always you
Exactly! I love everything you said, makeup and clothes are vehicles for finding your people
fio is naturally beautiful.
I feel like body hair (on women) would be an interesting middle ground topic!
Please do!
What about body hair and facial hair on men?why is all the scrutiny and judgement reserved only for women?
@@hannaansari2921 body hair on men is a societal normality ... whereas women are expected to live up to a beauty standard of ‘smooth legs’, ‘smooth arms’ and the list goes on.
@@hannaansari2921 They could have a separate video on that too! That would be interesting as well. I just feel that a video which tried to talk about both at the same time wouldn't really capture the nuance/differences between the two.
Ooooouuuuuuhhh
I live in Japan and many company's here require that their female employees wear make- up. If they don't they'd have to go home. Always thought it was an unethical and toxic rule
I’m not surprised
All airline companies in the world do that too
How much makeup? Like some mascara and lipgloss or a full face?
@@nah_. my wife doesn't use any mascara or lip gloss but she def has to cake up or she can't go to to her department store job. She's beautiful without it tho
Girl many companies arround the world have this too
This is a great conversation. I personally have a bare face 95% of the time and I love how I look without makeup. Obviously i feel a lot more feminine, confident, and conventionally beautiful with it on. But I can’t imagine allowing myself to make it so habitual that everyone is used to seeing me in it and only in it. I almost view it as catfishing and it makes me feel inauthentic and like I’m playing a role rather than being myself completely. I don’t know it’s weird 🤣 but I just feel more genuine and at peace when I’m not wearing it. The only times I put it on is for events or photo shoots or nights out with my friends which are few and far between. I like that people are used to my real face because that way I Feel like they know the real me and not just this character I’m playing in the moment. It would stress me more if I wore makeup often and then had to keep it up daily because that’s how everyone was used to seeing me and they hadn’t seen the imperfect version of my face. I actually HATE how I look with a super beat face because I can’t even recognize myself
THIS you said everything I think lol
I used to wear makeup every single day from age 18-27. I couldn’t even leave the house without it. I stopped wearing it about 7 months ago and it’s wonderful! I put some on occasionally when I feel like it but normally I’m just too lazy and don’t feel like it’s necessary. I love getting extra sleep in the morning.
I would have liked a person pro makeup who didnt have full glam on. A lot of us who wear makeup dont do it like that everyday.
I was hoping there would be someone like that too.
i’m that person
right i do my brows and wear lashes to accentuate myself not change how i look🥴
Same :)
Yes! That would've been great
I really liked how respectful this Middle Ground was. No talking over each other or interrupting, listening and responding with their own feelings as opposed to putting down someone elses feelings.
Because it was pretty much all women. I think the women on this series are more respectful to other women than men are. I haven't seen one with only guys, but I'd like to see how they treat other men.
Because want they are talking about is not that serious to have an issue on.
That's not vegan though
thank you for your popular opinion
I think because its not that heated a debate. Like really, its just makeup
I see make-up as an art form. I adore getting creative with eye looks and what-not. It's like painting on my face. I LOVE Halloween for the reason of going all out with costumes, makeup, sfx, cosplay, etc. I don't usually wear it out, but when I do, it's used as an accessory.
Aging is beautiful until you actually age
This has to be my favorite Jubilee middle ground discussion, no fights, no tension, just chill people talking about how they express themselves
Then I recommend you the hijabis vs non-hijabis, all the girls that were interviewed were so friendly and nice to one another
yea cuz make up isn't a big deal or controversial
@@marghejackson thank you for recommending it
i recomend strict perrents vs free range doesnt look as bad as it sounds
@@marghejackson yea that was my ABSOLUTE favorite
When they discussed kids wearing makeup I just thought of body glitter and bright blue eyeshadow not lashes and foundation!
Right
Same
Yeah but I also have seen middle school kids do other people’s makeup and it’s just as good as a professional
Yeah when I was like 10 and would be in dance shows we would wear eyeshadow and lipgloss, possibly blush, and body glitter, and that would be all
And that’s what I was thinking of
But when I think of 10 year olds I see around nowadays, they’re in full glam (even when not in a show or going to a party or something, like if they’re just going to the store or to meet with a friend)
And I personally don’t agree with that, but I’m not their parent so
Yeah, I think that fun stuff is fine--when I was a young kid I remember finding glitter and eyeshadow exciting but in no way did it affect my self-esteem. Lashes and foundation is a whole other story.
MAKEUP DOES NOT VALIDATE YOU AS A WOMAN TO SOCIETY
WOMAN ≠ MAKEUP
The fact they answered the question about the oppression by sitting down, but none realized it is so interesting to me. IT IS OPPRESSIVE and they have been victims of it in the way people treat them without makeup smh
I think what was the most ironic was when all of the people who didn’t agree for the statement about societal oppression surrounding beauty and makeup, ALSO agree that they get treated differently depending on how much makeup (or none at all…) they’re wearing! That was so contradicting, but I don’t think they realize it because they’re too afraid of putting makeup in a bad light. However, the issue isn’t makeup in this case, it’s just the encouragement of inappropriate societal pressure and standards, which can be considered separate from using makeup as a form of art or expression.
I was worried to watch this video but they were all so respectful and voiced their opinion without judging other people, i loved it
It's a video nothing to be worried about 😂
@@aksh4wty it was an over exaggeration lol
@@tink6225 K
@@aksh4wty I upload photo editing tutorials you can come if you want but it's totally fine if you want to
Frr they're respectfull
I feel like wearing makeup is one of those things that shouldn't even be an issue. If you want to wear it, fine. If you don't, fine. I'll never understand why some people make a big deal out of whether or not other people wear it.
Edit: To clarify, I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk about makeup and the social implications of wearing or not wearing it. I’m saying I think it’s something that society shouldn’t have made into an issue in the first place.
It shouldn't be an issue I agree. But it is for many people right now, so I think it's important to talk about it. To reassure people it's ok to wear a lot, it's ok to NOT wear any, it's ok for a guy to wear it too, it's ok not to wear it ALWAYS and no feel ashamed to show yourself without... I think there's many ways it causes issues, but overall the problem is lack of acceptance in society. The more diverse and accepting society is, the less of an issue is this, because everyone can feel ok in their skin without comparing themselves to others and to beauty standards.
@Tyler B #2 this is literally a makeup discussion, don’t bring your ideas on religion into this
@Tyler B #2 And that doesn't contribute to the discussion and isn't even relevant. knock it off, Tyler.
I think because it affects society. Like if you're a woman and you see makeup as objectifying women or promoting the idea that women should meet these standards, I see why others wearing it would bother you. I wear makeup but I recognize it has a problematic side.
I see makeup like clothes. Some people like wearing suits and heels and fancy dresses, some like sweats and t shirts. Some like both. Never understood the big deal either
I love this because they respected eachothers opinions
I love makeup, it’s probably my biggest interest. I love when my favorite brands release new stuff that I can try! Putting on makeup is like art for me, I don’t do it for others to think I’m pretty, I do it cause I think it’s fun and it’s a way of expressing myself
This is the reason I wish I wore makeup for. But alas, insecurities ruin it but I try to make the best of it and make something fun and do what I love
the girl with the long brown hair who doesn’t wear makeup is STUNNING omg
edit: thanks for the likes-
Agreed! When she said males don’t talk to her without makeup, I was like 🤯😨. No way girl I’d holla at any moment 😭🤣😂
@@Bribreezzzyy PLSSS SAME
She really is pretty.. you can see her soul
@@benjaminreyes3624 her soul?!
I SAID THE SAME THING!!
I love the “as long as you’re not hurting anybody else” philosophy a lot of us have adopted, BUT there are still conversations to be had. Just because your behavior isn’t hurting anyone else doesn’t me we shouldn’t want to understand the origins of our desires to want to do things or the societal pressures that led us to behave certain ways.
Love your comment
Well said. Rephrased: people need to realize that you can't just use "it's not hurting anyone" as a reason to not have a conversation when, in all reality, it may not have been established that it doesn't actually hurt anyone yet.
Chick.....please.....do y’all even care about the countless animals who are abused in make up testing? Or the foreign labor that goes into acquiring the resources?
Make up ALREADY hurts plenty in this world....we just don’t care lol
People need to realize their decisions are not made in a vacuum. Like these are sexist beauty standards regardless if someone's individual opinion is that they like it
People should be able to do what they want if it's not hurting anyone else, and it's not illegal pretty much. That's all.
I think taking care of yourself is the best form of makeup. However, I think a little makeup is fine (aka if you can do it in ten minutes). No makeup at all seems extreme and so does a lot of makeup. Mascara and concealer go a long way in bringing out your eyes and covering up dark circles/pimple. Just my two cents.
The ageing thing that she spoke about resonated within me. I began noticing my nasolabial folds and it made me feel insecure. It made me want to try skin care products to get rid of them. I never felt ugly in my life before this. The Kn95 makes it worse because I wear it tight since I work at the hospital.
In this video, I noticed that everyone has them (with or without makeup). They're natural so I should stop trying to fight them.
I hear the people who say it’s empowering and they love wearing it, but I 100% relate to the woman who spoke about the disadvantage it gives you. It’s terrible that a man can enter an interview with a bare face but a woman is often not given the job for it. I recommend watching a good morning Britain interview about the issue. The pro-makeup woman said she wouldn’t hire a woman who had a bare face as they would seem unprofessional. It’s unbelievable
I saw that too, I was like if the person could do their job why should we care if they wear makeup or not.
ok not given the job for it , I think you're overreacting , that's not true
Yeah, I don't really wear makeup on an average day, so I probably wouldn't wear any at an interview. If someone didn't want to hire me for it, then I wouldn't want to work there anyway.
This. 100% this. This is kinda like what I said to my boyfriend the other day, "I like wearing makeup, but the problem is that I feel like I HAVE to."
@@samaradashwood1491 it actually is true.. it would be wise for you to educate yourself before you falsify an accurate statement.
Brynn seems incredibly intelligent, and has a distinct soft spoken way about her that I appreciate.
I feel the same way about her
Honestly, I'm in love with her❤️😂
there’s just something so off about her body language
yess i was so drawn to her
@@kleiosoulioti2041 What sort of off?
I'm glad they discussed skincare. This was informative and fun to watch. Everyone was friendly and open. I noticed many of the things people have already commented on, but something else that stood out was how the makeup wearers were groomed and their posture was also a stark contrast from the non-makeup wearers. Body language and how we groom ourselves say a lot about how we feel about ourselves too
I started wearing makeup as a teenager, mainly to look older. Now I wear makeup not only because I like the way it looks, but also because the application process is cathartic for me. I look forward to it every day. Sometimes I remove it in the evening and reapply a fresh face just because it's relaxing.It's a quiet moment to myself where all I'm focusing on is me. It's a moment where I can play with textures, colors, light, shadows, and find harmony. For me, makeup is an art form. I think people underestimate the benefits some people can find in the ritual of applying makeup.
Can we have a middle ground on women shaving or not shaving
Yes interesting
This. I wanna see.
Ewwwwww
@@slays2798 can I ask what’s gross about body hair we’re born with which is natural? why should we force ourselves into these ideals and see it as something disgusting, just so a few people on top can get rich on pushing products. I think everyone should have a choice based on what they truly want to do, and one option shouldn’t be expected over the other
Yess I wanna see this
That story of him going to Sephora is SO accurate. It's so backwards because you'd think a a person with no make up on in that store would want help with the product. But anytime I go in with no make up I typically get ignored and feels like they're looking down on me.
I feel that too! It’s the worst!
it's interesting to hear about your experience because when i go into sephora, especially when i go alone, the sephora employees always ask if i need help but i always feel like they're watching me and expecting me to steal something... 😔and i don't wear make up.
I’ll be honest I really don’t feel that vibe with sephora employees? I don’t wear much makeup when I go in there but everyone seems to be fine. Idk if you guys are overthinking it but then again I usually don’t pay much attention to staff.
@@TimidAction it's most likely a case of different experiences rather than us over thinking it. I wear fairly androgynous clothing as well so that could be an aspect. Region could be an element, too. I'm glad to hear you don't have that experience though because it is rather uncomfortable haha.
Fact, when I walk into the drugstore dressed and pressed everyone asks if I need help or assistance. The story changes when I’m bare-faced, in Ugg’s and my old man coat 🙄
This has been one of my favourite middle ground videos - every person is so open and accepting and I loved seeing them all hear each others perspective.
When they brought up face scars and how people may want to cover it made me really think about how lucky I am cause 1-2 years ago I BUSTED the left side of my top lip and I literally didn’t even need to get professionally taken care of and I have no visual scars. Obviously if you feel my lip you’ll feel the tough scar tissue but this made me realize how lucky I was to have fallen bad and could’ve changed my face and that it didn’t. Praise to the people who still feel strong and secure if they have any face alterations. Everyone is beautiful
I think they got people who are very passionate about make up and are also influencers on social media. This however is not the majority. Most don't wear make up because it's arts, they wear it because, and i quote, "I can't go out like this", "nobody can see me like this", "i look sick", "i dont have my brows on, i'm naked" etc. If i look around at my normal friends and classmates they don't do it because they like themselves, they do it because they DONT. That's when i have a problem with it. These girls would LITTERALY APOLOGIZE for their face. If this is not the case for you than that's lovely
Totally true 🙏
YES!
100% agree. I really don’t buy the narrative that people are just ‘expressing themselves’. It just sounds like insecurity is being masked as empowerment nowadays.
Who are you to have a problem for how a person views themselves. You people are insanely entitled
Its just makeup dont villanize it. If you got issues its not the makeup, its you and not wearing makeup is not gonna fix it. You gotta work on you as a person and the outside will not matter anymore.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge others for wearing makeup!! I love how I look with AND without makeup-but I think u should do whatever makes u feel most beautiful
True, but its not fair to judge others how dont wear makeup
Yeah I totally agree with you on that!
Omg hi
Too bad social media users promote the literal opposite of what you said by posting filtered photos of themselves, making others feel insecure, leading them down the never-ending path of fakery.
The messages put out there by “influencers” to “love yourself” as they spend loads on plastic surgery and hours on photoshop is comedy at it’s finest, and clown logic at it’s best.
omg so true and i love you so much
My mom took makeup away from me when I was grounded as a kid. I was so insecure going to school I snuck it with me. I feel like children using makeup can be problematic when they don’t feel secure with themselves. Communication and education is always key✨
I would’ve liked to hear the perspective of more biological women who wear makeup. As biological women, we have much different perspectives and experiences from trans women or gay men, so I found their parts unrelatable. It would’ve been nice to include a few more people on each side of the debate.
Brynn is the kind of girl you can have an endless conversation with. She is philosophical and knowledgeable. She seems she reads a lot of books.
Truly a fascinating person
"Philosophical"
Dunno, I personally felt she brought the least to the table with her cliched arguments, and a very negative overall presence.
@@maitri4032 To each their own.
@@neerand i felt the same way! I couldn’t think of the word to describe her, but i felt she’d be an awesome person to connect and vibe with . ☀️
Completely got this vibe too, whatever camera time she did get her answers were informative and evocative to a lot of people.
Honestly, there should've been more variety with the "pro makeup" crowd.
Like, have a regular person doing the Instagram Look, but also someone whose style/subculture needs makeup (like Goth), have a professional makeup artist for fashion and TV/film, and another makeup artist who works in theatre.
Every person in the video is the typical Insta Baddie and they all look the same and have the exact same makeup style.
Yes, this! It also would’ve been cool to see people who prefer more natural makeup looks, to get their perspective. Everyone here is full glam
Yes! Like, Of Herbs and Altar! My favorite YT goth. Too bad they’re not in the States. Maybe Jubilee can do remote videos (like at the start of the pandemic) sometimes just for more diversity?
Hi! Just a side note, as someone who has been in the goth subculture for 18 years, goth has nothing to do with apperance or makeup, it's totally music based 😊
Yes I would have loved too see an alternative person on here even tho the subcultures are mostly music and political based self expression is important and the make up is a big part of that
You notice? I used to like this channel but sometimes it seems to have an obvious bias
I was kinda surprised when Fio said she doesn't get approached much with a bare face. She's very cute.
This interview is by far my favourite middle ground video. Both sides are actually open and kind to each other, and it doesn't feel hostile or painful to watch.
I somehow really like the blond girl without makeup, she’s speaking a lot of truth
@Emily Duncan yeah lol why because she’s blonde and Caucasian? But I shouldn’t assume that’s what the comment meant and the comment is positive just I don’t know what “somehow” means
@@yonicepaprika7534 prob bc she's not that typical pretty girl who usually gets instantly liked judt by being pretty.
@@LiMaking sHeS nOT lIKe oThER gIRls
@@shakilaazimi7900 I don't get how that fits in here. She looks like most girls.
@Emily Duncan yes 😂 because I can’t for certain explain why I guess I like her charisma
Can we point out how people are calling the white girl 'homeless' or bad looking in the comments...she looks so normal. This is what a lot of girls look like without makeup, but since makeup exists the beauty standard for women is higher than it is for men. The other girl commented on how women without makeup are perceived as less put together and the comments are just proving that point.
Edit: A lot of people are saying 'it's the hair'. Some people naturally just have messy or frizzy looking hair and that's fine too. I know someone who has thin hair and struggles to make it look 'nice' no matter how much she brushes it. It still comes back to the same point though, that people make rude comments about women who they think have 'less attractive' features and aren't constantly done up with nice makeup, their hair done, and nice clothes.
So true. I look so much like her without makeup on. In my opinion she doesn’t even look bad. I think makeup just makes people look more flashy ya know.
She doesn’t look ‘homeless’ or bad to me, but I honestly did question why she didn’t brush her hair
@@bluewave152 Definitely the hair.
@@bluewave152 my hair looks like that even if I brush it. like a third of it resembles a wire, and another third is thin and split. it makes that unbrushed look no matter how you try, unless you flat iron it
@@deemah3602 same lol
(in my situation it looks okish for 10 minutes after brushing it but then it goes downhill.)
I loved this video. I have very sensitive skin and cystic acne. I absolutely hate make up, but I do wear it for job interviews. It just makes my face itchy and feel weird and I always have to prepare myself for the next day when my face hurts and I get 5 new zits. It's terrible and I hate that people think not wearing make up means I don't take care of myself. If only they could see the amount of time and money I spend on skin care products just to make my skin look less red.
Why is nobody talking about how amazing Aleena is??! Like has differing opinions to what the rest of the group agreed upon and she still spoke her mind about it and was very eloquent with the way she was communicating!! Very admirable 👏🏽👏🏽
Chris referencing not having makeup on as looking “bummy” is actually a good point for the non-makeup side. If you don’t wear makeup or enough makeup, you look less than. Why should makeup mean anything having to do with how well put together I am as a person?
I think when most people say they look bummy, they usually mean that they didn’t put as much effort into their look as they usually do, therefore if your usual routine consists of a full face of makeup and you don’t do any of it, it will make u feel bummy. It doesn’t necessarily mean less attractive, just less effort. I don’t think he meant it makes you less of a person though, thank you for the insight I didn’t see it this way while I was watching
@@audreyolmedo5109 i thought so too i honestly feel less motivated and less energetic without putting on makeup it makes me more awake i feel like
you look less than what?
He’s talking about himself looking gummy compared to how he normally looks with makeup on.
My dad said women that look like a rag-rat are a turn off and no man wants to go near them, you guys have to look mature and clean, me and my 3 sisters and no brothers: shut the frick up
"the beauty industry often uses makeup to make people insecure so they buy their products" and "makeup can be a tool of creative self expression" are two statements that can coexist. at least in my book.
yes i agree
Another humble group of people 🥰❤️🙏love it!
when I was about 15 years old my friend at school dared me to go to school without make up. I usually wore foundation, blush, lipstick, and a winger eyeliner. I told my mum what I was doing and she told me no, I had to at least wear foundation and mascara. 10 years later I only wear make up a few times a year. it took me a while to even feel comfortable looking at myself in the mirror without make up. I think people who make up are amazing and beautiful but I'm so happy I finally feel pretty as my natural self xx
I wear makeup regularly and I found myself agreeing with the ‘no makeup’ side of the discussion way more, they just seemed more open minded and realistic with themselves.
Same
can we just say the lighting isn't doing NONE of these ladies and gentleman any justice
Ikr it’s almost enhancing their skin textures
I think that’s just the reality of makeup. It doesn’t erase your skin texture.
looks like they’re all shining a flashlight up at their faces. y’all know
No whoever’s in charge of lighting is an actual villain
thats what makeup looks like in real life lol, it’s not magic, it doesn’t remove texture
I feel like people always think that makeup is used to cover up your insecurities; and sometimes it is and that’s ok! But also some people use it to embrace certain “distinct” or “not normal” part of they’re face. For me it was buying a concealer that I made sure wouldn’t cover up my freckles, but also getting one that would cover up one of my scars because I’m just not comfortable with it YET. I love myself but I personally just love makeup on myself, but I think people should be open if they are wearing makeup and stuff like that I guess?
My friend in college never wore make up. Guys LOVED IT. Every guy wanted to be with her. Her personality shined and it didn’t matter if she wore make up or not.
I'd be one of those guys. I find no make up to be refreshing and attractive in modern times. If you are attracted to a woman without makeup and find out they don't where make up its honestly hot. Like they will always be this cute level, sense they never have to remove make up.
@@Kirbeast as a woman who doesn't wear makeup, I appreciate someone saying this.
I ususally feel confident with my natural face; but sometimes people make you feel like you're weird and judging you hard just because you're not wearing it. At least, that has been my experience.
the trans woman, the black woman, and the gay guy, all don't know what the word oppressed means? How does that happen?!
*trans woman
@@tetromino8181 right! thanks i'll edit that, my bad.
😂
They do thats why they didnt go forward in that statement because they actually know what its like to be opressed
I was put off by the “women are oppressed?” question..... like what?
At the beginning of the video Sabrina mentioned how she had a lot of confidence going out in public without make up on. But further through the video she mentioned that she slept with make up on when staying overnight with her boyfriend, even getting make up on the pillow case. And when he asked her to become her girlfriend on Valentine’s Day, she washed her face and wanted to show him who she really was but was still trying to hide. Thats definitely NOT confidence. It’s sad that she felt that she had to worry about being VISUALLY accepted with a bare face by the person whom professes his love for her.
i think this is a common experience many women face
@@eris1279 unfortunately so 🥲
Lol straight called her out on it 😂 I didn’t catch that. That’s true though.
@@user-nx1vh4ej9q the trans one is La Demi, not Sabrina
I think there is also a realization that comes with it. Most people who wear make up do not like like their bare face AT ALL. It’s like looking at two diff people.
This was the most chill middle ground video Ive seen. So enjoyable.
I love makeup. I tend to go for a more natural look daily but it just makes me feel more polished and the act of applying makeup is so therapeutic. I love choosing a new blush color everyday and matching it with my lip color. There’s just a certain type of creativeness that comes with applying makeup and it’s so fun. But also like if I’m gonna quickly run to the grocery store I’m not gonna put on makeup. I think it’s okay as long as you’re not overly dependent on it.
I've always had the mindset to only wear makeup during special events. I don't want people to get used to my makeup face because, when you don't wear makeup, people start thinking you look worse than you actually do when you go without it because they've gotten used to your makeup face. That's just me though.
I completely agree with this and am the same.
The worst part is that you can think the same way about yourself. It took me so long to accept my *actual face* again since I stopped using it everyday.
And the best part is that people notice it more when it's done on special events only - you look nice and still feel good when it's gone after that day.
I love this! I only put a lot of effort into my hair and appearance during specual events because that makes them even more special😌
I agree, I'm the same way.
I do the same!
Thank you so much for having me. I loved this experience. Reading the comments makes me so happy and proud ! It is ok to wear make up and it is ok To not wear make up just love yourself !
You’re beautiful, girl! Loved your perspective, thank you for sharing 💜
I loved your energy and the way you spoke! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@chispamia awww thank you so much ❤️❤️
Girl i loved your energy!!! Keep being amazing!!
U looked stunning 💖🔥
Bryn seems like such a sweet soul. Empathetic and conscientious..
fio is extremely intelligent for her age and i admire her courage to express opinions without caring what other people think. we need to protect and nurture this in our young people
I was honestly kind of shocked none of the makeup people seem to think beauty standards are oppressive... I don't think we should judge anyone for choosing to or choosing not to wear makeup, but really? You don't think beauty standards are oppressive to ANYone? Maybe they should have used a different word than oppressive cause it seems like some of them didn't know what that meant but... still.
That because two of the makeup people are biological men lol. Of course they wouldn’t understand.
I was surprised too. I think beauty standards are obviously oppressive, especially for WOC (particularly brown & darker skin WOC)
exactly, like darker skinned people all around the world are constantly being oppressed by the universal beauty standard so that was weird to only see two people agree
@@jennyj4111 yh why were they even included lmfao
exactly.. I was really shocked.. Even though they might be immune to fall prey to their exploitation, it very much exists and denying that is delusional in my opinion
Diligence in skincare did much more for my confidence than make up ever did.
lol same, why enhance or fix smthg temporarily with no long term skin benefits when u can do that progressively and receive long term benefits
Ngl same
Share tips please!
@@justarandomguy3781 idk what to really say find the right products that work for your skin type and will effectively clear your skin. It’s a process and not everything will work but it’s worth it
@@justarandomguy3781 u can look into the 10 step korean skincare routine. U dont have to do everything but it’ll help u figure out what order of products to do. I only really do like 4-5 steps and my acne went away. Like omg ppl compliment my skin now. Pretty cool. Also, AHA, BHA, and PHA r ur best friends but better to find ur skin type first. If ur barely starting it’ll def feel like a trial and error process. But just keep watching vids. Also asian skincare is ✨mwah✨
one of the best middle grounds I've ever watched. loved all of them. so considarate and mature
They chose the worst looking (No makeup) girls they could. There are definitely some pretty "no makeup" girls out there.