Alfred and Bruce have a great conversation where Alfred gives one of my favorite quotes regarding Batman across any media in this movie; Bruce Wayne: Alfred, am I pig headed? Is it always my way or the highway? Alfred Pennyworth: Yes, actually. Death and chance stole your parents. But rather than become a victim, you have done everything in your power to control the fates. For what is Batman if not an effort to master the chaos that sweeps our world? An attempt to control death, itself? Bruce Wayne: But I can't, can I? Alfred Pennyworth: None of us can
I've always thought of the Batman films as representing the eras of Batman's comics. Batman 1989 and Batman Returns 1992 - the 1930's and 40's. The comics then were dark and had some horror elements. Batman Forever - the 1950's - Not quite campy but some sci elements. Batman & Robin - the 1960's Campy, ridiculous pop art film. Batman Begins - the 1970's. A return to Batman's roots. The Dark Knight - the 1980's. Joker hits his stride as a murderous psychopath. Dark Knight Rises - The 1990's. The Batman as urban myth and uneven writing in his many comicbooks.
Although Batman v. Superman by Zack Snyder is a teamup movie setting up his Justice League, what era best represent that though Superman, Wonder Woman, etc is in it?
To add to the positives of the movie, it's the only Batman movie we got were Batman didn't kill his villains! Hell, there's even a spark of redemption for Mr freeze.
I just hate the dumb joke afterwards by Mr. Freeze of "Call me in the morning." It's like if the ending of Dark Knight had Gordon farting and ends with a awkward silence. It's the same issue I hate with the MCU movies, rather than taking a moment of seriousness, it's followed by a dumb quip and awkward silence.
Ya know, growing up this was actually the Batman Film I watched over and over, and after growing up I see that it has is flaws but it'll always be special in my heart
Yeah 👍 Personally, I always thought Clooney was a decent Bruce Wayne at least by By Batman and Robin Standards in a few scenes with Michael Gough's Alfred. Especially the sick bed scenes. Maybe it's just me but in a lighter hearted Batman movie Bruce realising that this may be it for him and his father figure. I like those scenes, they are heartfelt for. Michael Gough does his job as well as ever too. From Batman '89 to Batman and Robin Gough's Alfred was always worth watching no matter the decline in the movies.
I honestly feel that Clooney gets undeserved hate for Batman and Robin. The man had no control over the campy tone nor the script, and if you'd stick Keaton or Kilmer in this movie, they would get the same reception as well. Batman Triumphant sounded like it was going to be a massive improvement, since Joel Schumacher actually wanted to steer away from the over the top tone of B&R. Hell, I don't even blame Schumacher for the way Forever and B&R turned out. The man directed some amazing movies before and after his Batman movies; Warner Brothers were the ones that wanted a lighter tone due to Returns being so dark.
I disagree, Clooney's acting was simply terrible. Arnold had a crap role and bad script, yet he made the most of it, and added some memorable parts to the film. Chris O'Donnell played the part of Robin fine as he did in the previous film. Clooney however was, "hi Freeze... Im Batman..." Keaton or Kilmer would have brought at least a little passion to the role, where Clooney was a worse performance than most Batman fan films.
It always confuses me when actors get flak for some movies being bad. Like, people hated Andrew Garfield for the Amazing Spider-Man movies at the time, but he had no control over the issues those movies had.
Yeah Schumacher is not really to blame. The studio asked him to make a child friendly, lighter tone Batman and Schumacher naturally turned to the classic Adam West series for inspiration. It also didn't help that Tommy Lee Jones, Alicia Silverstone, George Clooney, Nicole Kidman and Uma Thurman delivered their worst performances ever...
Bruce and Alfred's fireside chats were the best parts of Batman and Robin. Showed that no matter how much Batman does to defeat the villains of Gotham, Death itself can't be stopped.
100% Agree. On Alfred's sick bed Clooney has his best moments as Bruce and Michael Gough was terrific as always. Those scenes from the quick flashback's to younger Bruce and Alfred and the Surrogate Father and Son lines as it looks like they don't have much time left together are very good Bruce and Alfred moments and there's no shortage of iconic moments between the 2. Best parts of the movie for me.
"But fans at the time weren't fond of such an outting" This is false - fans loved Batman Returns in 1992, as it were the highest grossing movie of the summer that year - the mothers didn't like it and therefore didn't buy the toys - so Warner Brothers and Mc'Donalds lost a lot of money on unsold toys - that's why the new movie was more kid-friendly so that the parents would be more tolerant.
Vee, I think the change in Robin's characterization might have to do with the fact that in "Batman Forever" Dick is on a revenge quest, trying to avenge his parents by killing, but then aprehending Two-Face. As such, he would be in a more serious frame of mind, as opposed to here, where more time has past since that tragedy and has in the interim bounced back a bit. Thereby, he could seem more boyish/easy-going than in his first outing. I may be reading to far into this, but I can see this possibily being the rational. Personally, I really liked Chris in "Forever" and still find his Robin one of the most enjoyable aspects here, along with Alfred, Barbara, and Freeze (sometimes in spite of himself).
One scene I really do appreciate in this movie is at the end, when Batman has apprehended Mr. Freeze, and he has a real heart-to-heart conversation with him, appealing to the good man deep inside, resulting in Freeze giving him the cure for Alfred's disease. That's a legitimately lovely moment in this god-awful movie.
There’s one huge problem with this movie that I feel you forgot to mention! And is probably the most unforgivable sin that this movie is guilty of ever having committed! They gave Batman… A BAT CREDIT CARD!!!
I'm glad that Nolan clearly recognized how dirty they did Gordon and tried his best to make up for it. Gary Oldman's Gordon was absolutely perfect. In most other movies he'd be the standout performance, but there are just so many amazing performances in that trilogy that incredible ones like Oldman as Gordon and Eckhart as Harvey Dent, get overlooked most of the time.
The late joel Schumacher once said. "If their anyone who say...love batman forever and went into batman and robin with great Anticipation....i just want to apologise that wasn't my intention, my intention was to entertain"
alfred is a precious angel who has done nothing wrong his entire life. The only scene that got me was when Alfred is laying on the couch dying and bruce says " i love you old man" and he says I love you too. I got teary eyed. lol
The ending in Batman & Robin where he gets ivy, the pun there made sense and you could feel the anger, fury, and seriousness that Arny portrayed in the scene. And that’s about it for him as Freeze
Honestly, no hate on Joel, he too wanted to do a dark movie like what Tim Burton wanted, but studio is to blame for this, I was hoping the bring back Chris to play a more mature and gritty Robin/Nightwing for the Crisis crossover event to redeem that character, but who knows tbh, but a shame really tbh
I don't get why they got on Tim and Joel's case for making darker Batman movies, but then allowed Chris Nolan to make extremely dark and serious Batman movies. That made no sense. Batman Returns is really dark, but compared to Chris' movies, it looks like a kid's movie. So what did Chris do that got the studio to relax on him? Even when Joel lightened up the mood for Forever, the studio still didn't like the results and thus, B&R was lightened to the near extreme where the series was a parody of itself now. Just makes me wonder how well Joel could have truly done his movies if allowed to make them dark.
@@devontehuntley6274 I think it has to do something with Darren Aronofsky loosing up WB with his Batman Year One script, also they were as desperate to profit and return the character to his glory days like with Superman, so clearly if B&R doesn't work they would go on the complete opposite direction
the crisis event wasnt to redeem anything, they brought in some 'memberberries so they could kill off the universes so only the CW-verse mattered. which is quite possibly the worst timeline to survive.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 That makes sense. Just a shame they couldn't take this sort of chance to begin with and thus spared the series from even getting to the direction it got with B&R. That had potential to be a really good movie. Just goes to show the studio need to back off and let the producers do their thing and just worry about putting the damn movie out. The studio tends to damage movies more than what it's worth and even now that's still the case.
@@Shiirow That whole crisis thing was just pathetic. Now these franchises can't continue because some TV thing wanted to play multi-verse and destroy things when they could have simply had their own universe and be done with it. No need to reference anything else. Gotham on FOX didn't do this referencing other Batman lore, so those CW shows could have done the same thing. That whole crisis thing was just mass complication and confusion and the results left some pretty good universes and shows buried in the ground. What a cheap way for them to go out.
You know why we went through several Spider-Man's real quick right? Sony legally has to make a movie every 3 years. That's why Venom, that's why Morbius, that's why Into The Spider-Verse. They're not going to take time off and throw the cash cow into the fire. That's corporate suicide.
I think the only good moment, besides Alfred's, is Freeze making a Venus out of ice and turning it into Nora. This is the one time I can see that this is Victor Fries and not a baffoon in a refridgerator.
I know this movie is bad.....i just dont care. I still love it. Its so campy and dumb, its just a fun movie. It might be a bad Batman movie sure but its still FUN. Especially for a kid, which I was when first seeing the movie so that bias has remained with me. Arnie as Mr Freeze with nonstop ice puns is just hilarious to me
@@palereaper I don't know about that though because looking back at Tim Burton's Gotham City, we didn't really see much visuals of the city. At least with Joel Schumacher's Gotham City we're able to see every detail, especially with how Schumacher never uses the same street location unlike in the Burton films.
My god, I can't believe you actually got the Arkham cast on cameo, so awesome. And might I add, you're not my least favorite youtuber, keep being awesome vee, love you.
No one should ever apologize for what they made unless it reflects their old worldview they no longer subscribe to, but never because of quality, it's insulting to those who liked it, like me!
@@genyakozlov1316 he apologised because he only wanted to entertain people, plus he wanted to make Batman gritty and dark but the studio and parents forced him to make it over the top childish.
I’m so glad how you mentioned that this movie pretty much ruined Chris O’Donnell’s career. It’s truly a shame as I feel he’s a great actor, and anyone who has seen Scent of a Woman knows what I’m talking about, Chris was able to hold his own alongside Al Pacino
Joel Schumacher wanted to make darker movies but Warner Brothers wouldn't let allow it. He wanted to make Batman Year One instead of Batman Forever and he wanted to make a movie featuring Scarecrow and a flashback of the Joker as a hallucination and Harley Quinn as the Joker's daughter rather than his girlfriend. But Schumacher did what his boss hired him to do, and I thought it was Dark Knight level nobility that he apologized for the films rather than saying "Don't blame me!!!" which is what I would have done.
First off, Robin WAS a real Dick. Grayson. But also thank you for being one of the few people I've seen who understand how mischaracterized Mr Freeze was. Everything he did was means to an end to get his wife back, he wasnt evil for evils sake he just did what he believed necessary. Hell, I 100% believe that if Bruce Wayne successfully funded Nora's recovery and told Freeze who he was that Freeze would likely be an ally to the bat family.
As a kid watching this in theaters with my brother and dad, I thought it was perfect. We watched it so much on vhs and didn't think it was bad. As an adult, I can see why it's bad, but I swear that at age 33, my friends and I can watch this, laugh and enjoy Arnie and his puns over some beers.
If I could recast Mr Freeze, he would be portrayed by Patrick Stewart and his storyline would be that he’s regular Victor Fries, a scientist who seeks to find a cure for his wife’s illness but his boss, Ferris Boyle, a greedy douchebag, screws Fries out of the funds needed for his research (Boyle would be played by either Alan Rickman, Jeremy Irons or Ian McKellen) and when Fries tries to confront him, Boyle causes an accident which seemingly kills Fries, only for him to be resurrected as a vengeful individual who is cursed to suffer “eternal winter”. A few years later, he resurfaces to kill Boyle and continue his research to save his wife. Batman and Robin try to stop Fries and despite countless setbacks, the Dynamic Duo beat Fries and find out the true reason for his rampage and they form a shaky alliance with Fries to beat Boyle. Fries tries to kill Boyle but Batman tells Fries that if he kills Boyle, he would end up being a fiend consumed by hate and revenge and Fries stops, surrendering to the authorities and Boyle is arrested as well. Fries manages to cure Nora thanks to assistance from Batman and the Dynamic Duo continue to do their duty to defend Gotham City
"It doesn't matter how talented the cast was. . . the movie made it impossible for ANYONE to properly perform." Sounds like Twilight, up until Breaking Dawn: Part 2. ***** "He (Chris O'Donnell) went from a defiant, adventurous kid, to a whiny man-child." Sounds like Anakin Skywalker, from The Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones.
Frankly, I've always found Clooney kind of wooden and incapable of emoting to save his life. I remember a bit from "American Dad" where Francine points out that he has a signature movie, "he looks down, looks up and delivers his line". Something like that. That whole killing off the villains thing was really weird. With Joker, it was in his contract but I don't know why the other movies always had two villains and, at least one of them, always died. I have no idea why.
It's not so weird if you consider the context of the times. The Batman movies were essentially action movies, and action movies of the 80s and 90s often ended with the villain either falling to his or her death or being shot by the protagonist.
@@axebomber2108 I guess, I was never really into pure action movies. I only watched them when they had some twist like if they were action sci-fi or something. The whole burned out, borderline, shoot first and ask questions later cop taking out scores of bad guys and whatnot never really thrilled me. I guess it also makes sense if you're working from the idea that you're only going to make so many so you're unlikely to have any villains return. :)
It is sad because Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze at my two favorite Batman villains. I actually felt Ivy wasn't bad in this film, but maybe I was distracted with her amazing looks. If your a straight man and have a pulse you get it lol.
Not everyone is into the same types of women as you my dude. Just because someone is straight, doesn't mean they are automatically attracted to the same looks and body type as you.
Yes, what made Uma good as Poison Ivy was that she was pretty darn sexy - I still always wanted her to have a darker role ala Catwoman from Batman Returns.
When the batman character has a change of actor (Keaton to Kilmer etc, I like to think of the multiverse, with different iterations. Although Alfred would be a constant ha ha
"Dr. Woodrue?" The mad scientist who pushed Ivy into the chemicals was named after the mad scientist with plant powers from Alan Moore's Swamp Thing? Interesting. I find it odd anyone making this movie would even know about that character.
Victor Freeze is my favorite Batman villain and I admit they completely botched his character in this film. But my friends and I laugh NON STOP at good ol Arnie and his ice puns. "Tonight's forecast... A FREEZE!" "FREEZE IN HELL BATMAN!!!!" Stuff like that is where Arnie can be so funny. And Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy was hot as hell in some scenes. (When she first awakens after being "killed" in her lab. And her dance after ditching the monkey outfit.) Cmon. Cmonnnnnnn we all know. Otherwise yeah this film sucks hahahaha.
20:42 was not only 100% accurate but definitely cracked me up because of the way you said it. Sorry for this long comment, but I definitely have a strong opinion for sure. Number one, I definitely agree with you. Great video. Personally I think the Batman franchise died not just because of Schumacher's direction, no disrespect to him, but because of whiny parents, Warner Bros, and McDonald's for complaining about Batman Returns. If it wasn't for that, we wouldn't have gotten the two Schumacher movies. I wish Batman Forever and Batman and Robin never existed. However this may be a rare opinion, but if I was absolutely forced to, I would rather watch Batman and Robin than Batman Forever for one reason only. Forever is a painful reminder of the third and final film we would have gotten from Burton if he would have stayed on. The cast he was going to have come back and the other cast members that were rumored or considered were all awesome. The Batman 89 comic is a perfect sequel to Returns. A nice return to the Burtonverse. I love that Sam Hamm is back to write it. It's awesome so far and I predict it will be. The Flash of course is the official movie sequel to Batman Returns because obviously Keaton's coming back and I'm stoked. I'll definitely be cheering in the theater when he makes his entrance. Plus the reported fight between him and my other favorite Batfleck will be pretty awesome. Thank God they're retconning the Schumacher movies.
My favorite Batman movies are the odd-numbered ones in the '90s quadrilogy. No offense to Returns, though. I like the movie, but it's a mixed bag. Batman & Robin made me want to own the toy of the Bathammer vehicle that Batman took to fight Mr. Freeze towards the end. That car was awesome and MUCH cooler than the regular Batmobile he used throughout the rest of the film.
B&R Bane looked like how Bane should but Hardy's Bane was how he was supposed to be but looked nothing like him. It pisses me off to no end because Bane is my top favorite character
One thing I have grow to forgive and appreciate....I not want anymore to blame the atrocities this movie did to Batman characters on Joel Schumacher, George Clooney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Uma Thurman or any talent behind the lens, they all did what they where PAID for, and most of the horrible decisions story wise came from executives of WB and their sponsors, we all crucified Joel for directing this as he was the one who says lets make this more and more closer to the Adam West Batman....no that was WB, wanted to sell more toys and is sad we kinda killed Joel career because of this, the man was talented and could have make a great Batman film if not was for the interference of money grabbing executives mandating how a Batman movie need it to be, all because they still couldn't forgive that they loss a deal with McDonalds and many families complained for Batman Returns a film THEY gave all the freedom to Tim Burton to made. If anyone have to take the blame for Batman & Robin is WB.
I had such a super crush on Chris O'Donnell, i loved this movie just bc it allowed me to see more of him. I didn't even care about anyone else. Oh and i think that bane is more accurate than dark knight rises one.
And yet this is the only live action cinematic version of Batman that doesn't kill anybody. Keaton killed, val, killed, bale killed and affleck killed.
Ok, the reason WHY there has been 3 Spider-Man actors is because Sony HAS to have a new Spider-Man film in theaters EVERY 5 years. They don't have a option on it because if they don't those rights go back to Marvel. Marvel WANTS those film rights back, trust me, especially the new owners of Marvel aka DISNEY.
At the 7:03 mark, it shows seven different robins. Dick, Carrie, Damien, Stephanie, Tim, and Jason. Is the third one supposed to be Cassandra? I thought she was Orphan, Batgirl, and Black Bat, not Robin? If it isn't Cassandra, does anybody know who that is?
For what I could gather from interviews, Schumacher was never a comic fan. His sole exposure to Batman was the ‘66 tv series (which he loved), so the films he made were an attempt to capture that campy energy, completely tone deaf to the modern zeitgeist
"If I disappointed them, I would like to apologize. Because it wasn't my intention. My intention was to entertain." Taking responsibility, what a noob. A real pro would celebrate the progress of portraying Bat Girl on the big screen and declare all the critics are sexists.
Thurman and Glover knew exactly what the movie wanted from them...they are the only things i don’t hate about it. Their acting was perfect...for this...and it was scene chomping glory!
"I always apologize for Batman and Robin"
-George Soorry
Thank you.😊
You know I’m so glad that he actually cares let’s just hope he’s resting In piece
Ironically George Clooney is the only live action movie Batman that didn’t kill or at least commit manslaughter
What about Gotham?
Except the franchise :P
Along with Adam West.
@@GregOrCreg Adam West turned a group of guys into antimatter, which is theoretically killing them
@@kcjc I don't recall, but wasn't it the villains who did that, and then when he tried to reconfigure them, he put them in the wrong bodies?
Alfred and Bruce have a great conversation where Alfred gives one of my favorite quotes regarding Batman across any media in this movie;
Bruce Wayne:
Alfred, am I pig headed? Is it always my way or the highway?
Alfred Pennyworth:
Yes, actually. Death and chance stole your parents. But rather than become a victim, you have done everything in your power to control the fates. For what is Batman if not an effort to master the chaos that sweeps our world? An attempt to control death, itself?
Bruce Wayne:
But I can't, can I?
Alfred Pennyworth:
None of us can
Ok that one is good but still...
@@nerdtube8194 It in no way makes up for the rest of the movie lol
@@UltraInstinctLink they why did you bring this up if it's that bad!
@@nerdtube8194 The same reason Vee Infuso makes videos about Batman. I enjoy talking about the character and his stories with likeminded people.
@@UltraInstinctLink I know the reason why and I too also enjoyed his videos.
"Dude looks like a jacked up Pokémon" is officially my new favorite saying lmao
😂
I've always thought of the Batman films as representing the eras of Batman's comics.
Batman 1989 and Batman Returns 1992 - the 1930's and 40's. The comics then were dark and had some horror elements.
Batman Forever - the 1950's - Not quite campy but some sci elements.
Batman & Robin - the 1960's Campy, ridiculous pop art film.
Batman Begins - the 1970's. A return to Batman's roots.
The Dark Knight - the 1980's. Joker hits his stride as a murderous psychopath.
Dark Knight Rises - The 1990's. The Batman as urban myth and uneven writing in his many comicbooks.
Although Batman v. Superman by Zack Snyder is a teamup movie setting up his Justice League, what era best represent that though Superman, Wonder Woman, etc is in it?
@@PowerRangersLostGalaxyFanFilm 2000's. That's when the super team movie became the dejour thing.
What a wonderful take.
This is even more accurate now with the new Batman movie
Good point man I've always thought of it that way too.
To add to the positives of the movie, it's the only Batman movie we got were Batman didn't kill his villains!
Hell, there's even a spark of redemption for Mr freeze.
supposedly two face did survive his fall
Too bad everything else was such a horrible mess.
@@Dalton_stuff If we don't see it, it didn't happen. :)
That's like saying "yeah, it's a turd. But at least it's solid, and not diarrhea."
I just hate the dumb joke afterwards by Mr. Freeze of "Call me in the morning." It's like if the ending of Dark Knight had Gordon farting and ends with a awkward silence. It's the same issue I hate with the MCU movies, rather than taking a moment of seriousness, it's followed by a dumb quip and awkward silence.
Ya know, growing up this was actually the Batman Film I watched over and over, and after growing up I see that it has is flaws but it'll always be special in my heart
I watched this and Batman forever all the fucking time lol
George Clooney was a better Bruce Wayne when he played Danny ocean in the ocean 11 trilogy
I'm picking up what you're putting down
Better catwoman in Out of Sight 😄
Damn true
Yeah 👍 Personally, I always thought Clooney was a decent Bruce Wayne at least by By Batman and Robin Standards in a few scenes with Michael Gough's Alfred. Especially the sick bed scenes. Maybe it's just me but in a lighter hearted Batman movie Bruce realising that this may be it for him and his father figure. I like those scenes, they are heartfelt for. Michael Gough does his job as well as ever too. From Batman '89 to Batman and Robin Gough's Alfred was always worth watching no matter the decline in the movies.
He has Bruce Wayne down I’ll give him that but Batman no
I honestly feel that Clooney gets undeserved hate for Batman and Robin. The man had no control over the campy tone nor the script, and if you'd stick Keaton or Kilmer in this movie, they would get the same reception as well.
Batman Triumphant sounded like it was going to be a massive improvement, since Joel Schumacher actually wanted to steer away from the over the top tone of B&R.
Hell, I don't even blame Schumacher for the way Forever and B&R turned out. The man directed some amazing movies before and after his Batman movies; Warner Brothers were the ones that wanted a lighter tone due to Returns being so dark.
Joel literally said that every step of the way WB would tell him to make everything toyetic
I disagree, Clooney's acting was simply terrible. Arnold had a crap role and bad script, yet he made the most of it, and added some memorable parts to the film. Chris O'Donnell played the part of Robin fine as he did in the previous film. Clooney however was, "hi Freeze... Im Batman..." Keaton or Kilmer would have brought at least a little passion to the role, where Clooney was a worse performance than most Batman fan films.
Val kilmer also had to deal with Joel Schumachers direction. He wasn't a good baan, but he was the best Bruce Wayne imo
It always confuses me when actors get flak for some movies being bad. Like, people hated Andrew Garfield for the Amazing Spider-Man movies at the time, but he had no control over the issues those movies had.
Yeah Schumacher is not really to blame. The studio asked him to make a child friendly, lighter tone Batman and Schumacher naturally turned to the classic Adam West series for inspiration. It also didn't help that Tommy Lee Jones, Alicia Silverstone, George Clooney, Nicole Kidman and Uma Thurman delivered their worst performances ever...
Bruce and Alfred's fireside chats were the best parts of Batman and Robin. Showed that no matter how much Batman does to defeat the villains of Gotham, Death itself can't be stopped.
Unless one knows where a Lazarus pit is.
100% Agree. On Alfred's sick bed Clooney has his best moments as Bruce and Michael Gough was terrific as always. Those scenes from the quick flashback's to younger Bruce and Alfred and the Surrogate Father and Son lines as it looks like they don't have much time left together are very good Bruce and Alfred moments and there's no shortage of iconic moments between the 2. Best parts of the movie for me.
"But fans at the time weren't fond of such an outting"
This is false - fans loved Batman Returns in 1992, as it were the highest grossing movie of the summer that year - the mothers didn't like it and therefore didn't buy the toys - so Warner Brothers and Mc'Donalds lost a lot of money on unsold toys - that's why the new movie was more kid-friendly so that the parents would be more tolerant.
This is true
Yep. A bunch of entitled Right-wing Karens destroyed one of the best onscreen depictions of Batman.
I’d love to see more retrospectives on Batman film series, and other DC series too!
Uma Thurman was very dramatic when she delivered this line. "As I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her plug; this is a one woman show" 🤣😂🤣
To be fair poison Ivy was dramatic in the animated series. I just wish they gave Uma something to damn work with instead of corny sexual innuendoes.
Vee, I think the change in Robin's characterization might have to do with the fact that in "Batman Forever" Dick is on a revenge quest, trying to avenge his parents by killing, but then aprehending Two-Face. As such, he would be in a more serious frame of mind, as opposed to here, where more time has past since that tragedy and has in the interim bounced back a bit. Thereby, he could seem more boyish/easy-going than in his first outing. I may be reading to far into this, but I can see this possibily being the rational. Personally, I really liked Chris in "Forever" and still find his Robin one of the most enjoyable aspects here, along with Alfred, Barbara, and Freeze (sometimes in spite of himself).
One scene I really do appreciate in this movie is at the end, when Batman has apprehended Mr. Freeze, and he has a real heart-to-heart conversation with him, appealing to the good man deep inside, resulting in Freeze giving him the cure for Alfred's disease. That's a legitimately lovely moment in this god-awful movie.
There’s one huge problem with this movie that I feel you forgot to mention!
And is probably the most unforgivable sin that this movie is guilty of ever having committed!
They gave Batman… A BAT CREDIT CARD!!!
You're a comedy genius!!!! *clap* *clap*
BRO FR
I mean think about it, wouldn't such a thing imply that Bruce has at least one bank that knows he's Batman?
I was 6 when it came out, and I loved it so much haha. RIP Joel Schumacher
I'm glad that Nolan clearly recognized how dirty they did Gordon and tried his best to make up for it. Gary Oldman's Gordon was absolutely perfect. In most other movies he'd be the standout performance, but there are just so many amazing performances in that trilogy that incredible ones like Oldman as Gordon and Eckhart as Harvey Dent, get overlooked most of the time.
The late joel Schumacher once said.
"If their anyone who say...love batman forever and went into batman and robin with great Anticipation....i just want to apologise that wasn't my intention, my intention was to entertain"
alfred is a precious angel who has done nothing wrong his entire life. The only scene that got me was when Alfred is laying on the couch dying and bruce says " i love you old man" and he says I love you too. I got teary eyed. lol
“I’m afraid that my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy”
I admit, liked that one.
The “Kissed by A Rose” reading at the end had me laughing my ass off. Thank You.
The ending in Batman & Robin where he gets ivy, the pun there made sense and you could feel the anger, fury, and seriousness that Arny portrayed in the scene. And that’s about it for him as Freeze
As much as I HATED George Clooney as Batman, I liked him as Bruce Wayne.
8:26 They took all the problems with O'Donnell's previous depiction of the character and they exacerbated them. Not exasperated.
Honestly, no hate on Joel, he too wanted to do a dark movie like what Tim Burton wanted, but studio is to blame for this, I was hoping the bring back Chris to play a more mature and gritty Robin/Nightwing for the Crisis crossover event to redeem that character, but who knows tbh, but a shame really tbh
I don't get why they got on Tim and Joel's case for making darker Batman movies, but then allowed Chris Nolan to make extremely dark and serious Batman movies. That made no sense. Batman Returns is really dark, but compared to Chris' movies, it looks like a kid's movie. So what did Chris do that got the studio to relax on him? Even when Joel lightened up the mood for Forever, the studio still didn't like the results and thus, B&R was lightened to the near extreme where the series was a parody of itself now. Just makes me wonder how well Joel could have truly done his movies if allowed to make them dark.
@@devontehuntley6274 I think it has to do something with Darren Aronofsky loosing up WB with his Batman Year One script, also they were as desperate to profit and return the character to his glory days like with Superman, so clearly if B&R doesn't work they would go on the complete opposite direction
the crisis event wasnt to redeem anything, they brought in some 'memberberries so they could kill off the universes so only the CW-verse mattered. which is quite possibly the worst timeline to survive.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 That makes sense. Just a shame they couldn't take this sort of chance to begin with and thus spared the series from even getting to the direction it got with B&R. That had potential to be a really good movie. Just goes to show the studio need to back off and let the producers do their thing and just worry about putting the damn movie out. The studio tends to damage movies more than what it's worth and even now that's still the case.
@@Shiirow That whole crisis thing was just pathetic. Now these franchises can't continue because some TV thing wanted to play multi-verse and destroy things when they could have simply had their own universe and be done with it. No need to reference anything else. Gotham on FOX didn't do this referencing other Batman lore, so those CW shows could have done the same thing. That whole crisis thing was just mass complication and confusion and the results left some pretty good universes and shows buried in the ground. What a cheap way for them to go out.
By the time this movie came out I was still trying to come to terms with how Bruce Wayne somehow adopted an adult!
Looool
George basically played as himself in this movie. Can't imagine the level of his migraine pains from always bobbing his head.
You know why we went through several Spider-Man's real quick right? Sony legally has to make a movie every 3 years. That's why Venom, that's why Morbius, that's why Into The Spider-Verse. They're not going to take time off and throw the cash cow into the fire. That's corporate suicide.
“No sign of the snowman”
“Maybe he melted”
Okay that one was good
I think the only good moment, besides Alfred's, is Freeze making a Venus out of ice and turning it into Nora. This is the one time I can see that this is Victor Fries and not a baffoon in a refridgerator.
Did Batman really die tho ? should be retitled the day Batman was put on ice .
I see what you did there
The day Batman got iced.
What killed Batman?
The Ice Age
I. Like. That.
That moment when the AI generated batman comic still has better dialouge than this movie
Chris O’Donnell said that Batman Forever felt like a “real movie,” whereas Batman & Robin felt like a “toy commercial!” 😂
I love this movie, an absolute comedy masterpiece 😆
Unwilling comedy I think. Was it not?
I know this movie is bad.....i just dont care. I still love it. Its so campy and dumb, its just a fun movie. It might be a bad Batman movie sure but its still FUN. Especially for a kid, which I was when first seeing the movie so that bias has remained with me. Arnie as Mr Freeze with nonstop ice puns is just hilarious to me
The only thing I liked about Batman & Robin is the visuals of Gotham City.
Even still Tim Burton’s Gotham city was the best one we’ve seen
@@palereaper I don't know about that though because looking back at Tim Burton's Gotham City, we didn't really see much visuals of the city. At least with Joel Schumacher's Gotham City we're able to see every detail, especially with how Schumacher never uses the same street location unlike in the Burton films.
@@brandonscott4808 I mean yeah, but I just personally prefer the gothic look of Tim Burton's gotham. Especially with the huge, industrial buildings.
@@palereaper I agree with the original comment and yours I like the Big gothic buildings, but also the big statues
I feel bad for George Clooney i know his Batman is terrible but poor guy he tried who wouldn’t wanna be Batman?
My god, I can't believe you actually got the Arkham cast on cameo, so awesome. And might I add, you're not my least favorite youtuber, keep being awesome vee, love you.
I always thought Joel was classy for apologizing. Particularly these days when most filmmakers give you the finger.
No one should ever apologize for what they made unless it reflects their old worldview they no longer subscribe to, but never because of quality, it's insulting to those who liked it, like me!
@@genyakozlov1316 yeah the makers of last jedi should have apologized
@@genyakozlov1316 he apologised because he only wanted to entertain people, plus he wanted to make Batman gritty and dark but the studio and parents forced him to make it over the top childish.
@Barnaby Wentworth He said his original script had Mr. Freeze speaking in Shakespeare like dialouge similar to BTAS but was rewritten.
Robins whole conflict is this movie
Batman stopped him from kissing Ivy
I’m so glad how you mentioned that this movie pretty much ruined Chris O’Donnell’s career. It’s truly a shame as I feel he’s a great actor, and anyone who has seen Scent of a Woman knows what I’m talking about, Chris was able to hold his own alongside Al Pacino
It's not so bad. He is a cop on NCIS Los Angeles
Today is truly the day Batman died. Kevin Conroy passed away.
Joel Schumacher wanted to make darker movies but Warner Brothers wouldn't let allow it. He wanted to make Batman Year One instead of Batman Forever and he wanted to make a movie featuring Scarecrow and a flashback of the Joker as a hallucination and Harley Quinn as the Joker's daughter rather than his girlfriend. But Schumacher did what his boss hired him to do, and I thought it was Dark Knight level nobility that he apologized for the films rather than saying "Don't blame me!!!" which is what I would have done.
The fact that you made references to Batman XXX and Justice League XXX is just astonishing…you earned a new subscriber 😂😂😂
First off, Robin WAS a real Dick. Grayson. But also thank you for being one of the few people I've seen who understand how mischaracterized Mr Freeze was. Everything he did was means to an end to get his wife back, he wasnt evil for evils sake he just did what he believed necessary. Hell, I 100% believe that if Bruce Wayne successfully funded Nora's recovery and told Freeze who he was that Freeze would likely be an ally to the bat family.
Dick Grayson acted more like Jason Todd and was sporting the Nightwing costume.
As a kid watching this in theaters with my brother and dad, I thought it was perfect. We watched it so much on vhs and didn't think it was bad.
As an adult, I can see why it's bad, but I swear that at age 33, my friends and I can watch this, laugh and enjoy Arnie and his puns over some beers.
Batman and Robin: the day Batman died
Batman Begins: the day Batman was reborn
Really gotta love George Clooneys attitude for the film. Guess it's easier to talk about given he didn't really kill the franchise.
So this movie casts Arnold Schwarzenegger, but gives him the role of the emotional scientist, and not the the huge muscle bound character?
If I could recast Mr Freeze, he would be portrayed by Patrick Stewart and his storyline would be that he’s regular Victor Fries, a scientist who seeks to find a cure for his wife’s illness but his boss, Ferris Boyle, a greedy douchebag, screws Fries out of the funds needed for his research (Boyle would be played by either Alan Rickman, Jeremy Irons or Ian McKellen) and when Fries tries to confront him, Boyle causes an accident which seemingly kills Fries, only for him to be resurrected as a vengeful individual who is cursed to suffer “eternal winter”. A few years later, he resurfaces to kill Boyle and continue his research to save his wife. Batman and Robin try to stop Fries and despite countless setbacks, the Dynamic Duo beat Fries and find out the true reason for his rampage and they form a shaky alliance with Fries to beat Boyle. Fries tries to kill Boyle but Batman tells Fries that if he kills Boyle, he would end up being a fiend consumed by hate and revenge and Fries stops, surrendering to the authorities and Boyle is arrested as well. Fries manages to cure Nora thanks to assistance from Batman and the Dynamic Duo continue to do their duty to defend Gotham City
"It doesn't matter how talented the cast was. . . the movie made it impossible for ANYONE to properly perform."
Sounds like Twilight, up until Breaking Dawn: Part 2.
*****
"He (Chris O'Donnell) went from a defiant, adventurous kid, to a whiny man-child."
Sounds like Anakin Skywalker, from The Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones.
Frankly, I've always found Clooney kind of wooden and incapable of emoting to save his life. I remember a bit from "American Dad" where Francine points out that he has a signature movie, "he looks down, looks up and delivers his line". Something like that.
That whole killing off the villains thing was really weird. With Joker, it was in his contract but I don't know why the other movies always had two villains and, at least one of them, always died. I have no idea why.
It's not so weird if you consider the context of the times. The Batman movies were essentially action movies, and action movies of the 80s and 90s often ended with the villain either falling to his or her death or being shot by the protagonist.
@@axebomber2108 I guess, I was never really into pure action movies. I only watched them when they had some twist like if they were action sci-fi or something.
The whole burned out, borderline, shoot first and ask questions later cop taking out scores of bad guys and whatnot never really thrilled me.
I guess it also makes sense if you're working from the idea that you're only going to make so many so you're unlikely to have any villains return. :)
I think that would make Clooney a great Perry Mason.
It is sad because Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze at my two favorite Batman villains. I actually felt Ivy wasn't bad in this film, but maybe I was distracted with her amazing looks. If your a straight man and have a pulse you get it lol.
Not everyone is into the same types of women as you my dude. Just because someone is straight, doesn't mean they are automatically attracted to the same looks and body type as you.
@@genyakozlov1316 Come on man its and express.
Yes, what made Uma good as Poison Ivy was that she was pretty darn sexy - I still always wanted her to have a darker role ala Catwoman from Batman Returns.
@@mrnygren2 She was sexy as hell.
enjoying batman forever certainly helps with watching this one
I was looking for this channel for. A long ass time
Omfg, this ending... Omg... I'm dying
38:18
Badadada, lmafo "I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grey oo"
10:38 Even the Harley Quinn show, which is just DC Comics abridged, got that right.
When the batman character has a change of actor (Keaton to Kilmer etc, I like to think of the multiverse, with different iterations. Although Alfred would be a constant ha ha
"Dr. Woodrue?" The mad scientist who pushed Ivy into the chemicals was named after the mad scientist with plant powers from Alan Moore's Swamp Thing? Interesting. I find it odd anyone making this movie would even know about that character.
Victor Freeze is my favorite Batman villain and I admit they completely botched his character in this film. But my friends and I laugh NON STOP at good ol Arnie and his ice puns. "Tonight's forecast... A FREEZE!" "FREEZE IN HELL BATMAN!!!!" Stuff like that is where Arnie can be so funny.
And Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy was hot as hell in some scenes. (When she first awakens after being "killed" in her lab. And her dance after ditching the monkey outfit.) Cmon. Cmonnnnnnn we all know.
Otherwise yeah this film sucks hahahaha.
Vee.....You sound like Hank Venture and that makes me smile. Kudos!
20:42 was not only 100% accurate but definitely cracked me up because of the way you said it. Sorry for this long comment, but I definitely have a strong opinion for sure. Number one, I definitely agree with you. Great video. Personally I think the Batman franchise died not just because of Schumacher's direction, no disrespect to him, but because of whiny parents, Warner Bros, and McDonald's for complaining about Batman Returns. If it wasn't for that, we wouldn't have gotten the two Schumacher movies. I wish Batman Forever and Batman and Robin never existed. However this may be a rare opinion, but if I was absolutely forced to, I would rather watch Batman and Robin than Batman Forever for one reason only. Forever is a painful reminder of the third and final film we would have gotten from Burton if he would have stayed on. The cast he was going to have come back and the other cast members that were rumored or considered were all awesome. The Batman 89 comic is a perfect sequel to Returns. A nice return to the Burtonverse. I love that Sam Hamm is back to write it. It's awesome so far and I predict it will be. The Flash of course is the official movie sequel to Batman Returns because obviously Keaton's coming back and I'm stoked. I'll definitely be cheering in the theater when he makes his entrance. Plus the reported fight between him and my other favorite Batfleck will be pretty awesome. Thank God they're retconning the Schumacher movies.
This Review was Cold as Ice.
Always good to see a new video from you Vee. Keep up the good work to entertain us fans.
My favorite Batman movies are the odd-numbered ones in the '90s quadrilogy.
No offense to Returns, though. I like the movie, but it's a mixed bag.
Batman & Robin made me want to own the toy of the Bathammer vehicle that Batman took to fight Mr. Freeze towards the end. That car was awesome and MUCH cooler than the regular Batmobile he used throughout the rest of the film.
I actually had the Bathammer toy until a few years ago and you're right it was awesome
If you do a video on Batman Begins I suggest you give it the title "The Day Batman Lives."
The Day Batman Lives... Again....
Huh? Huh?
I had this masterpiece on VHS as a kid. Luckily I lost it pretty soon.
B&R Bane looked like how Bane should but Hardy's Bane was how he was supposed to be but looked nothing like him. It pisses me off to no end because Bane is my top favorite character
Honestly I’ve always thought (most) of the one liners could work but not when they’re all back to back to back to back.
Can you please do a video ranking all the villains from every Batman movie? From your least favorite to your favorite.
One thing I have grow to forgive and appreciate....I not want anymore to blame the atrocities this movie did to Batman characters on Joel Schumacher, George Clooney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Uma Thurman or any talent behind the lens, they all did what they where PAID for, and most of the horrible decisions story wise came from executives of WB and their sponsors, we all crucified Joel for directing this as he was the one who says lets make this more and more closer to the Adam West Batman....no that was WB, wanted to sell more toys and is sad we kinda killed Joel career because of this, the man was talented and could have make a great Batman film if not was for the interference of money grabbing executives mandating how a Batman movie need it to be, all because they still couldn't forgive that they loss a deal with McDonalds and many families complained for Batman Returns a film THEY gave all the freedom to Tim Burton to made. If anyone have to take the blame for Batman & Robin is WB.
so much great content as of late.
David Hyde Pierce would have made a perfect 90s Mr. Freeze.
I had such a super crush on Chris O'Donnell, i loved this movie just bc it allowed me to see more of him. I didn't even care about anyone else. Oh and i think that bane is more accurate than dark knight rises one.
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walks into room, says "batman knightfall", doesn't elaborate, leaves.
And yet this is the only live action cinematic version of Batman that doesn't kill anybody. Keaton killed, val, killed, bale killed and affleck killed.
"This is how it happened, this is how the Batman died."
Ok, the reason WHY there has been 3 Spider-Man actors is because Sony HAS to have a new Spider-Man film in theaters EVERY 5 years. They don't have a option on it because if they don't those rights go back to Marvel. Marvel WANTS those film rights back, trust me, especially the new owners of Marvel aka DISNEY.
So... are we gonna talk about how R. Kelly sang about how awesome Gotham City is?
Makes you wonder about the crimes Batman should have been looking into...
At the 7:03 mark, it shows seven different robins. Dick, Carrie, Damien, Stephanie, Tim, and Jason. Is the third one supposed to be Cassandra? I thought she was Orphan, Batgirl, and Black Bat, not Robin? If it isn't Cassandra, does anybody know who that is?
Ive been looking forward to this
I was playing Batman Arkham knight when I checked my phone and say that Joel Schumacher died. coincidence? I think not!
For what I could gather from interviews, Schumacher was never a comic fan. His sole exposure to Batman was the ‘66 tv series (which he loved), so the films he made were an attempt to capture that campy energy, completely tone deaf to the modern zeitgeist
Fun fact, batman forever and this movie got a PG rating in the UK, forever having some scenes cut to get a PG rating
I always liked to think this movie was about George Clooney asking Bruce Wayne if he could be Batman for a weekend.
My favorite Joel Schumacher movie is Falling Down with Michael Douglas
At least Uma Thurman redeemed herself and her career with the doulogy of Kill Bill.
Right. Rihjt
Chris O’Donnell rebounded by being in NCIS: LA
Great video appreciate the great content
"If I disappointed them, I would like to apologize. Because it wasn't my intention. My intention was to entertain."
Taking responsibility, what a noob. A real pro would celebrate the progress of portraying Bat Girl on the big screen and declare all the critics are sexists.
I always wanted to know how Alfred knew his niece's measurements so perfectly to make her a costume lol
I’d still watch this over BvS
I'd still watch BvS over this.
@@motherplayer you can have your opinion
…………as long you know it’s a poor choice
@@joeker5208 I could say the same for you, but let's agree to disagree eh?
I'd rewatch both over the Dark Knight. Except for Joker that "masterpiece" bored me, even the action scenes. Worst Batman movie by far.
@@genyakozlov1316 if you think the movie was “boring” then I can already tell how old you are
Joel Schumacher made the fist live action killing joke, it's called "Falling down"
Why do I remember that George Clooney played Batman in two films
Robin was poisoned by Ivy . They is why he is acting odd.
11:11 With Arnold, that's what you're going to get. And I love it.
Thurman and Glover knew exactly what the movie wanted from them...they are the only things i don’t hate about it. Their acting was perfect...for this...and it was scene chomping glory!
Im gonna hate myself for admitting this, 23:19 & 23:32 I actually laughed, they may be cheesy but I love dry humor.
Actually, Batman is still wildly popular and really good.
He said in the video "Almost killed batman." And define really good. Affleck sucks
@@briandavid7849 He's got the best Batman action scenes in movie history though. Unlike Bale's which was painful to watch when fighting
@@alejandrovillalba3143 yes I'm aware. But to me batflack is all action and no substance.
The only good parts of this movie is every scene with Alfred
8:13 I don't know Immaturity, entitlement, sounds like Jason Todd.