I personally thought the RAW tone was better, definitely less modern but gave me a feel of the early to mid 2000s hard rock/post grunge heavy tones. The stuff that took a lot of influence from metal at the time just wasn't as heavy. A lot of them used rectos at less aggressive settings, which are not that tight either. I don't think it sounds like a recto but it would fit in the mix with one.
The metal tone cut through the mix much better and definitely sounded modern. That said I do like the original tone because it has more of that orange character that is pretty cool. Different tools for different jobs both are awesome
I don’t know why but I keep hearing tones of the In Flames Foregone album from the Orange bottom end. Which I think is one of the most sonic and amazing album tones of late. Another awesome review - guess Orange is next in the arsenal
One week after purchasing a Dark Terror brand new, someone listed a mint OR15 on Craigslist for $350 and I had to jump on that price.... absolutely love these Orange amps...🤘
Got a 15W Jim Root Terror in great condition on a trade and it's become my favorite tube amp. Orange is massively underrated, and have an awesomely gnarly tone for metal, doom, stoner, grunge and alternative rock.
@@mofomartianp Agreed! I bought a Micro Terror first (my 1st Orange amp) and had my jaw drop when i plugged into my Marshall 412 and that led me to wanting the Dark Terror and now 16 amps into my collection the Dark Terror seems to be what Ive been going to the most... although im super stoked on whats coming out of the OR15 now too
Thank you very much for mentioning your post production and what’s being done. Your videos always sound great but sometimes I’ve really questioned what was done in post. Great job! Keep it up!
I bought a TH30 head in 2017. I love it. I bought a Mesa mini Rectifier in 2021 and while the Orange isn’t as versatile, I just like the Orange better.
And my favorite amps, preamps, and even amp sims to boost like this are usually Orange, or based on/chase the sound of an Orange. I have a Joyo Meteor II XL and a Joyo Oxford Sound.
I came to similar setup with my Orange Terror Stamp. On its own it’s pretty fuzzy at high gain settings, but tube screamer in front and proper IRs after make it sound so much better!
Awesome video! Sounds great! One point of criticism, though. I think it would be better to use the same IR for both for such a comparison, since the tone as a whole is so dependent on the cab. That would also be more useful for guys with real cabs who can't or don't want to simply switch the cabs or speakers, but still want to make their amp more metal. Instead, I would love to see more of your process for dialing in that boost pedal :)
When it comes to boosting amps, I like to dime the volume, pull the tone knob back a bit, and actually turn up the gain knob to add a bit of dirt, but usually not so much the a passive neck pickup like a GFS Dream 90 or Vintage '59, Duncan STK-2 Hot Stack, Cool Rails, P-Rails, Phat Cat, '59 Model, or Li'l '59 isn't still clean on the clean channel with the boost engaged, so I can just leave it on. This works really well with pedals like the Precision Drive, or any other overdrive with a built-in gate.
I've been preaching about this for a long time now, almost everyone just dismisses the power of an EQ through the loop, it's the ultimate amp tone shaper, other than changing the speaker!!!
Awesome concept, really interesting to hear the changes. I would personally love to see a similar video on the Marshall 2525H. While it can get quite metal it still seems to benefit from a boost in front. I think it sounds better with a boost than using the rhythm clip on the lead channel. Anyway, thanks very much for all these educational videos! I find them addictive. 😁
Yeah this amp can truly do it all, and I gave up mine in a trade, but it was worth it. i was condensing my modern amps and the TH30 was just too similar after being boosted to my Mesa/Boogie Mark III, Peavey 6505+ 60watt, PRS MT15 (but actually not as modern), however I do miss that Orange flavor when boosted lightly....miss the Doomy sound
The mids from boost definitely help it cut through a bit more, but to me it just sounds like the bass was backed off an mids kicked up (don’t need a pedal for this). Don’t think one is better than the other, just different flavors.
Hi John! Do you still use York Audio IR's or you prefer OwnHammer in general? How do they compare with each other and what would be your choice for the Marshall amp? Thanks!
Nice content as always, but I miss the comparison using the same IR. Imho the IR (or cab+mic) is a huge part of the recorded sound, maybe the most important one.
I make my fender tweed champ metal with a Metal zone 😅, the TH30 is already monstruous but can get more sludgy with some push that overdrive it to become less static and more unpredictable like about to explode with tone bender
I tried the TH30 thinking it would need the extra volume compared to the Dark Terror, which I already own. What I found is that the TH30 is indeed louder and sounds similar to the Dark Terror, but the Terror can get insanely loud for it's size, and that made more sense for me as a portable small-gigging solution. Also a question... I've really been looking forward to a review from you on the OR30, assuming that since your such an orange fan-boy :) that you'd review it right away. But so far haven't seen it. Why not? (hope you don't mind me asking). BTW love the channel!
@@SonicDriveStudio will you only do reviews of gear companies send you? i love your channel but thats making me question the authenticity of all your reviews now..
@hihowareyouitsme of course not but I can't buy every single amp that gets released. I hope you understand that. If you know my channel you know that I do plenty of "unsponsored" videos too. I buy a LOT of gear but I can't buy it all... I fail to understand what this matters in terms of "authenticity". If a video I sponsored it doesn't mean that I'm dishonest. Fwiw
I'm sorry man, there are many amps that I would love to review but I don't have the funds to buy them all. Who knows what will happen in the future! :)
Can you make the Orange TH30 metal?
Nice! Love the GupTech pedal. I have an Angel Reaper...3-circuit combo, has the same Honker Hot Rod that's in your Mad Honker...killer tones Jon!
MORE ORANGE YES, ya can always tell John's a little extra stoked to do Orange Related content, it's cool, im always a little extra stoked for it too🍊
I personally thought the RAW tone was better, definitely less modern but gave me a feel of the early to mid 2000s hard rock/post grunge heavy tones. The stuff that took a lot of influence from metal at the time just wasn't as heavy. A lot of them used rectos at less aggressive settings, which are not that tight either. I don't think it sounds like a recto but it would fit in the mix with one.
Yeah, the raw tone was killer.
The metal tone cut through the mix much better and definitely sounded modern. That said I do like the original tone because it has more of that orange character that is pretty cool. Different tools for different jobs both are awesome
I honestly think the raw sounds awesome and to my opinion better than boosted, it has that chunkyness and a unique sound.
oh man i just prefere RAW here 🥰
It's a cool sounding amp for sure. This demonstration is purely for a very specific tone
@@SonicDriveStudio just great dude 👍
Same
Very cool ! By the way I think that the 2 complete each other perfectly. I'm sure it would be great to mix the 2 with quad tracking.
Sick. An Orange with a Horizon Precision Drive in front of it is absolutely amazing.
What a transformation!! Love seeing the process and how you can shape the tone of an amp and bring out the best tone for the track. Nice job!
I don’t know why but I keep hearing tones of the In Flames Foregone album from the Orange bottom end.
Which I think is one of the most sonic and amazing album tones of late.
Another awesome review - guess Orange is next in the arsenal
One week after purchasing a Dark Terror brand new, someone listed a mint OR15 on Craigslist for $350 and I had to jump on that price.... absolutely love these Orange amps...🤘
Got a 15W Jim Root Terror in great condition on a trade and it's become my favorite tube amp. Orange is massively underrated, and have an awesomely gnarly tone for metal, doom, stoner, grunge and alternative rock.
@@mofomartianp Agreed! I bought a Micro Terror first (my 1st Orange amp) and had my jaw drop when i plugged into my Marshall 412 and that led me to wanting the Dark Terror and now 16 amps into my collection the Dark Terror seems to be what Ive been going to the most... although im super stoked on whats coming out of the OR15 now too
The clarity in the orange gain stage is awesome
Thank you very much for mentioning your post production and what’s being done. Your videos always sound great but sometimes I’ve really questioned what was done in post. Great job! Keep it up!
I bought a TH30 head in 2017. I love it. I bought a Mesa mini Rectifier in 2021 and while the Orange isn’t as versatile, I just like the Orange better.
Orange amp never disappoint
I think halfway between these 2 is the perfect blend. Adding articulation, but not removing that dirty Orange character.
And my favorite amps, preamps, and even amp sims to boost like this are usually Orange, or based on/chase the sound of an Orange. I have a Joyo Meteor II XL and a Joyo Oxford Sound.
Cool video. Idea for a follow-up video, that amp but make it more metal with an eq in the loop instead of a boost.
I came to similar setup with my Orange Terror Stamp. On its own it’s pretty fuzzy at high gain settings, but tube screamer in front and proper IRs after make it sound so much better!
A more thorough will-it-chug ! Nice work
dude. that opening riff is sick.🤘🤘
Sounds sick, Great video! I like myself an inbetween tone of the modern and the "loose" tone of the amp!
Awesome video! Sounds great!
One point of criticism, though. I think it would be better to use the same IR for both for such a comparison, since the tone as a whole is so dependent on the cab. That would also be more useful for guys with real cabs who can't or don't want to simply switch the cabs or speakers, but still want to make their amp more metal. Instead, I would love to see more of your process for dialing in that boost pedal :)
When it comes to boosting amps, I like to dime the volume, pull the tone knob back a bit, and actually turn up the gain knob to add a bit of dirt, but usually not so much the a passive neck pickup like a GFS Dream 90 or Vintage '59, Duncan STK-2 Hot Stack, Cool Rails, P-Rails, Phat Cat, '59 Model, or Li'l '59 isn't still clean on the clean channel with the boost engaged, so I can just leave it on. This works really well with pedals like the Precision Drive, or any other overdrive with a built-in gate.
Nice!! Love GupTech pedals! Please try the Rocker 15 Terror :)
Always good to see a new video bud
Cheers!
Had one for a few years. Really hated the lack of EQ. Used a boost but would have loved a few more options
I have a th30/ppc412 and i use my old ts9 in most applications anyway. Thanks for the video👍
I find that simply running a 10 band EQ through Loop does a TON to tighten this amp up.
I've been preaching about this for a long time now, almost everyone just dismisses the power of an EQ through the loop, it's the ultimate amp tone shaper, other than changing the speaker!!!
Awesome concept, really interesting to hear the changes. I would personally love to see a similar video on the Marshall 2525H. While it can get quite metal it still seems to benefit from a boost in front. I think it sounds better with a boost than using the rhythm clip on the lead channel. Anyway, thanks very much for all these educational videos! I find them addictive. 😁
Going to try this with mine now!
Both sounds pretty sick. Different enough but I would be just fine with the raw tone.
Sounds incredible
I have the Black metal Phoenix great guitar! Get my orange stack tomorrow!
Yeah this amp can truly do it all, and I gave up mine in a trade, but it was worth it. i was condensing my modern amps and the TH30 was just too similar after being boosted to my Mesa/Boogie Mark III, Peavey 6505+ 60watt, PRS MT15 (but actually not as modern), however I do miss that Orange flavor when boosted lightly....miss the Doomy sound
That pedal through the fx loop would be radical.
The mids from boost definitely help it cut through a bit more, but to me it just sounds like the bass was backed off an mids kicked up (don’t need a pedal for this). Don’t think one is better than the other, just different flavors.
What chord is that youre playing at the beginning of the riff after it gets going?
'Clean channel is great' is an understatement.
It's a great clean channel! :)
Can you make ToneX captures of this TH30 amp and offer non DI options. You would be my hero!
Hi John! Do you still use York Audio IR's or you prefer OwnHammer in general? How do they compare with each other and what would be your choice for the Marshall amp? Thanks!
Nice content as always, but I miss the comparison using the same IR. Imho the IR (or cab+mic) is a huge part of the recorded sound, maybe the most important one.
The point of this video is to transform the tone, changing the cab sound was a big part of that
Pre gain EQ is best thing that happened for metal
Dude make one with the OR 100 on dialing in metal tones!
What cabinet is the metal tone an IR of?
I make my fender tweed champ metal with a Metal zone 😅, the TH30 is already monstruous but can get more sludgy with some push that overdrive it to become less static and more unpredictable like about to explode with tone bender
Aren't the track doubled?
I tried the TH30 thinking it would need the extra volume compared to the Dark Terror, which I already own. What I found is that the TH30 is indeed louder and sounds similar to the Dark Terror, but the Terror can get insanely loud for it's size, and that made more sense for me as a portable small-gigging solution. Also a question... I've really been looking forward to a review from you on the OR30, assuming that since your such an orange fan-boy :) that you'd review it right away. But so far haven't seen it. Why not? (hope you don't mind me asking). BTW love the channel!
I would love to do videos with the OR30 but they once told me they don't send stuff to people outside of the UK
@@SonicDriveStudio that’s too bad, because I was waiting for your review to decide whether or not to pull the trigger on buying one! 😂
@@SonicDriveStudio will you only do reviews of gear companies send you? i love your channel but thats making me question the authenticity of all your reviews now..
@hihowareyouitsme of course not but I can't buy every single amp that gets released. I hope you understand that. If you know my channel you know that I do plenty of "unsponsored" videos too. I buy a LOT of gear but I can't buy it all... I fail to understand what this matters in terms of "authenticity". If a video I sponsored it doesn't mean that I'm dishonest. Fwiw
I'm sorry man, there are many amps that I would love to review but I don't have the funds to buy them all. Who knows what will happen in the future! :)
het klinkt meer als een exciter met iets meer gain ofzo?
wohaa! 💘❤🔥
Why you dont use Real cabinet?
Is there a cheaper way to do this without a $160 pedal?
Behringer OD300. 25 bucks.
Just use a mxr 10 band eq u can make anything tight if you use that
Sounds good. Now try Dual terror :D
Yes. You can make a th30 sound metal. You unbox it. 😂
Orange Metal a Day keeps metal in your blood.
MOAR METALZ!!!!
to Thin sounding bro.....Goto leave some low leg for that power and chug, good lead tone.
Raw sounds fuller to me.
Sounds great, but a tube screamer and V30 isn’t exactly revolutionary.
It's not a V30 ;)
Don't your hands get cold when playing an "Arctic Metal" guitar? 🤔
...I'll see myself out
Lol! Yes, very cold ;)