The Stoner Sound? (Orange Rockerverb 50 MKIII vs TH30 vs OR15 comparison)
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Thanks for watching this video on my interpretation of the 'Stoner Rock' sound. Orange amplifiers and single-cut guitars are often associated with this genre so that's why I tried to get a stoner-ish sound with my ESP LTD NW-44 Neil Westfall guitar that's equipped with a Bareknuckle Aftermath pickup in the bridge and the following wonderful Orange tube amps: Rockerverb 50 MKIII, TH30H (TH30) and OR15. So this video is essentially also a comparison of these 3 wonderful amps!
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I would say I’m surprised how well the OR15 held up, but I’m not really. I have one and I know how good it is. A friggin monster! 🤘😄
Yeah, I'm not surprised by anything anymore. I've seen people rock clubs with basically just a friedman pedal or a orange lunchbox amp. Technology is amazing.
3:10 Rockerverb
6:04 TH30
9:02 OR13
11:23 A/B Full mix
11:57 A/B Isolated
14:21 Conclusion
Cheers
This is literally the video I've been waiting for, since I subbed to your channel,
Shoutout to all my stoner brothers out there
What a killer riff!!! Your comparisons are hands down the best, super easy to appreciate the differences in sound of each amp. Thank you!
My th30 has become my go to amp for most recording projects, whether it be shoegaze/dream pop,indie,jazz, or stoner rock and metal. It’s so versatile and a great pedal platform. The shape knob is has incredible range. I usually use the dirty channel for clean tones, just turning the gain knob to 2 and volume to 7 or higher - this lets me get more “sparkle” out of the clean tones vs the clean channel bc of the shape knob.
As heavy as it sounded (dual rec heavy) and you just said “stoner rock”… fuckin sold. You just sold an amplifier. That’s all I need. I have a (my daughter has) Fender Blues Jr for clean, I need that next level thing to go with an orange bass terror.
Is it usable(loud enough) for rehearsal and gigs?
@@petarzutic1165 absolutely! I’ve yet to encounter a scenario in which I felt that more volume or headroom was necessary. A 1x12 cabinet should be sufficient for rehearsals and club gigs. I prefer a 2x12 for the tone, but it’s more than enough volume than I’ve ever needed, even when playing with four other musicians.
@@ricjenner1120 Wow sounds great
I feel the same even though I got my TH30 combo just cause I got it for 700 dollars for some reason. Always wanted an Orange for doom and it does it. But I also play indie/shoegaze so having those EL84's makes the clean channel sparkle a bit more than your average Orange. It's like this amp was made for me, it does everything I want.
Your videos are the kind I can come back to reference tones and just enjoy them
Wow excellent job, awesome sounding, recording and playing. Nice rifs too 🤘🏼 Thanks, now I want the 3 of them!!!
I love watching your videos dude ! Really in depth but still easy to digest !
The back-to-back comparisons are what makes this so valuable. I have to look away and just listen. Doing so I could easily pick out the TH30 with its fizzy/wooly sound. Man, when you were playing the palm-muted riffs, that was my favorite sound. I could see what you meant by it being geared for modern metal. Nice job again. I think I'm just going to play with the new Rockerverb on my HX Stomp for a while...
Your clearly intelligent viewers have already said it all for me. This is exactly what I've been waiting for, and playing exactly what I'd want to hear. Can't overstate how much respect I have for the way you do this. TH-cam should be taking notes.
I'd love the refined sound of the Rockerverb, but the cost and my mostly home use case would steer me to the OR15. Factor in my love for riff driven doom, and I think the TH30 is the logical compromise. So yeah... all of them.
Would love to see someone throw a crush series in with these comparisons
The cr120 head sounds amazing with its matching 4x12 cab. It's only half the amp through most other cabs. I highly recommend one though. It sounds just as good as my rockerverb mk3 now that I have the cab.
I run one through a Marshall Lead 4x12 cab from the 90s in my doom band. Very very VERY insane sounding. Every other band we play with uses it. Honestly the best amp I've owned by far. The only other one that comes close is my OR15H.
I know for a while Kirk Windstein of Crowbar used a crush 120 in his rig. That should say enough.
@@jacobm7421 no tf it doesnt lol a companies $500 solid state sounds as good as their flagship $2300 amp. I guess they can discontinue the rockerverb then haha. Nope its sounds good but not comparable to these amps lets alone the rv100iii
@@Ron4president09 I owned it. It wasn't as good to me. Go ahead waste your money. Not going to bother me
Great idea for a comparison, love this! I love my OR15 and hearing it compared against the Rockerverb and the TH30 in this style makes me feel very confident that it was the right choice to get Rockerverb-style sounds without blowing my roof off (though it still gets crazy loud if you let it).
I want a Rockerverb bad, but this shows me the TH30 will do for now. Excellent video!
Same here my man, same here
@@billzade4567 I just got my TH30, it’s fantastic
I had to sell almost everything about two months back while moving and am now trying to put a rig back together. TH-30 is at the top of the list, I freaking love that amp!
Been using orange amps for almost 15 years now and this is the most I’ve learned in a single video. Awesome demo track too!
Got so pumped when i saw this. Your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites! Can you make a video about how you set your tones, and write, record, and mix your riffs? They are always super fat, juicy, and inspiring. Cheers!
very clever video, clever song structure, perfect editing when switching between amps in the bandmix .... without doubt one of the best ampvideos ive ever seen. and thanks for curing my almost decade long mkiii rockerverb 50 fever. haha but i think im getting the or15..HA!
I'd go for the OR15 in this genre. It was very similar to the Rockerverb, but had the high-end fizz shifted to a more pleasing area and it was a tad more beefy.
Agreed the or15 just had that deep punch to it. Rockerverb is killer and has the most full sound. All sounds great
Someone listens to mastodon lol
Damn. Your guitar tones are always right on point.
Man that was fun! Rockerverb kicks ass, tones to die for.....back to my TT :-)
Awesome demo, this is very helpful, thx !
This video helped a lot.
Bought the TH30 this month!
same here 👌🏻👍🏻
I love this video! I also use my NW-44 for stoner/doom/sludge stuff through my TH-30, it's great to see someone else do the same!
btw sounds monstrous as always.
Cheers! :) Love the NW-44!
whata beautiful presentation, a joy for the ears and eyes. This master content creator should have more subscibers.
Hugely reminded me of Mastodon and you got me absolutely on board with that... Such sweet and nasty tones, love it!!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again! Best amp demos on TH-cam! The Rockerverb is such a beast!! I’ve played one before and it’s amazing!
Thanks!
It's great to see that you're using the ESP NW-44 for a stoner sound!
It's one of my favourite guitars as well :)
Awesome comparison between the 3 amps 👍👍 I use an Orange Or 15 and a Rockerverb 50 MKii , I find these two amps can get similar tones , both great amps for sure. Speaker cab makes a big difference as well. I use different cabs to get different tones also. Great channel 👍
The RV50 definitely has more beef & balls. Been wanting one for a while now so this was an excellent comparison. Thanks! P.s.This will be for both rehearsals & shows.
I was absolutely set on getting a TH30 head and 2 x 12 cabinet. The combo only having one 12" speaker was a dealbreaker. Plus, the look of a separate head and cabinet was much more appealing than a combo.
Your video, more than any other I've seen, pursuaded me to change my mind and get a Rockerverb combo instead. I SO wanted a separate head and cabinet, and that option with a TH30 would have actually costed about $200 less, but the sound is so much better with the Rockerverb, I was really surprised that the TH30 was my least favorite here. Considering this is my first (and probably only) Orange, and possibly the last amp I buy if I wish to stay married, it should be more about sound than aesthetics. Spending about $200 more to get a combo instead, largely due to this video, which is saying something. So---I thank you, even though my wife may not...
SDS, awesome video, love my TH30. Your riffs are always so great, would love for you to put out a video showing a few "how to play" on these killer riffs!!
Cheers!
I’ve been using the TH30 model on my GE300 modeller all the time recently. Such a great high gain sound. This video convinced me I need to get the original head as well.
ngl, your riffing gave me a semi there for a moment :D
also my own TH30 salutes you, sir!
Killer riffs man!
Very impressed with the OR15 as a budget option.
Got the rockerverb 50 mkiii a couple weeks ago...tone is awesome and it’s super versatile..👍
As someone who just acquired a TH30 on Saturday, I am pumped by your playing and description of the tonal character of the amp. I'm currently running mine in stereo with a PRS MT15 and they complement one another VERY nicely.
Keep doing what you do,
-Joel
Great amp, I've the same with the choice of a 1x12 closed back and a 2x12 open back and it sounds great through both. Playing a Suhr Strat into it and sometimes split through a Helix floor with the FX loop. Brilliant amps, great sound.
That’s what I want to do as well. I got an OR15 and want to run mine with the MT15 so I can get modern sounds and a American like clean channel. Do you like the cleans of the MT15?
@@DelScully The M15 cleans are good to go for most folks. I run a Tumnus Deluxe before my ABY box to butter up the clean channels of both amps, though. Good thing I don't have to tap dance live.
As a final note, the MT15 needs no overdrive in front of the gain channel. It is ready beautifully saturated. I even stuck a 5751 tube in one of the 12ax7 tube slots to tame things a touch, but word is the gain knob's taper pot is to blame. Full gain very early on the dial. Still love it. You can overdrive the Orange as you like.
Metal up.
Rockerverb definitely my favorite, but the OR15 sounds VERY close. Extremely impressed with the little guy. I’m not a big fan of the TH30…
Th30 sounds too hissy for my tastes. The rockerverb is my favorite as well but the or15 definitely keeps up!
Exactly my thoughts. The Rockerverb had that awesome round sludgy sound that I would want from an Orange amp.
@@Vpain90009 I am currently looking for a new amp, and got a good offer on a Rockerverb 50 mk1. I do think that because of the more hissy tone of the TH30 i might prefer that one. But i don't play stoner, so that's probably why. I'll be using it mostly for Black Metal, hardcore and punk.
Really nice. All the way around! Orange always been fantastic !!!!!! Kudos to the LTD as well!!!👍👍👍💋
thanks for the infos n knowledge....sweet amp
Cool stuff🎸!
I have a Micro head with an Orange 1x12 cab that I love for jamming alone in my little studio room, but it might be time to jump up to an OR15. Thought it sounded great.
This was an interesting comparison between the three. Funny, that opening riff was pretty similar to some stuff i was jamming around on earlier today! ;) I think the Rockerverb is still def my favorite, I just love my mids. Wasn't real into the TH30, the OR15 was pretty good, a little wooly or "vintage" but would still do the stoner rock thing alright. That amp collection... oh boy... :)
I love your videos I just wish you would mic up a cab once in a while. I feel like a miced cab gives you a better sense of how an amp sounds when you are in the room with it over an IR. Keep up the killer videos. Also I have wanted a TH30 forever thanks to Pepper Keenan from COC
very cool sounds and comparison. it is astonishing how great that little amp is. sounded a bit darker and compressed but nothing a good fuzz couldn't cure there :) thanks!
Great video! They all deliver a variation of that Orange saturation. Instantly made me think of Death From Above or Royal Blood. The TH30 and OR15 have this fizzy sound (not sure at which frequency) that once I hear it, I can't help but focus on that fizz kinda like noticing a blemish on something and all you can do is stare at it lol. That said, the TH30 delivers more modern tones whereas the Rockerverb just has this tight upper mid crunch that I always associate with the Orange sound 🍊
I love going my TH30 into my ppc212 closed back I bounce between the TH30 and the Brent Hinds signature amp because it kinda has that old school Marshall JMP flavor going on. When I'm gigging I'm typically blending my TH30 and Marshal DSL amps
I got me an OR-15 and its straight fire. I use it at home and rarely take off the 7W mode, but when you click to 15 and go balls out, it really shreds.
Got I love ORANGE- The Rockerverb MK III 50 is the shit. I notice also that if you play at half wattage (25) you get a grittier sound that pushes the pregain section. Great for all STONER rock. Sleep/Sabbath/Elder. It's my Killa Amp... n so much more
I'm astonished, not by the quality of those 3 amps, but the structure of the review. It should be a school-taught standard what you did there buddy. thx, i'm definitely loving and considering buying the RV50.
I have the or15 and I must say I absolutely love it. i run it thru a cannibis rex 1x12 and its an awesome jam setup, perfect for writing.
Woow the rockerverb is huge and warm sounding! I have to buy one
I own the TH30 an the OR 15 and I love all, the Rockerverb 50 MKIII too.
Damn, I'm actually hearing better sounds from the OR15 here. Just seems to rumble better. Great comparison video and I definitely appreciate the work that goes into this.
Fantastic comparison Jon... the Rockerverb has the most balanced sound without a doubt... such a beast of an amp... so kind of you for sharing this... by the way, those mixes sounds huge and punchy... the mixing approach is the same as you explained in your video from october 4th, 2019 ? (didn't see any other more recent though) If not, it would be really cool to share a mixing/master walkthrough for these now in this video. Thanks so much. Keep up the good work man !
I have the Micro Dark and even their tiny amp heads are ridiculously loud! Very versatile. Much like the TH it has the shape knob. You can scoop it for metal, or bring up the mids which is where I usually have it, more of a Sabbath/QOTSA territory. But I can also roll off the gain and it's great for blues gigs!
This is how a comparison should be done. Awesome job. Enough time to hear each amp and because it's 3 you can compare them all against eachother. I used to have Rockerverb 50 and sold it for a 74 twin and some celestion blue speaker for a vox. Do not regret getting the twin, but man I miss the Rockerverb. Every shootout it comes out on top for me. The TH30 certainly added a lot of oomph in the mix, but on it's own it's not for me. The 15 and 50 sound very similar. There's just this almost nasally added frequency to the rockerverb that I really love. Someday we'll meet again.
the Bareknuckle Aftermath works fucking amazingly for these Orange amps. I usually don't like Orange but the guitar really makes the difference for me here. I'm really digging that sound.
It's a great guitar!
Have you guys tried any Ibanez guitars with Aftermaths? I’m curious if they sound the same?
Great comparison… without question the rockerverb was tops, TH30 just sounded too modern for the style. I’m always surprised by the OR15, sounded great and held its ground well for what it is.
Awesome video !! And i must say .. something about the TH30 stands out to me.
Even with the fizzy's, I still love the TH-30 best. The Rockerverb holds up well too. TT
Ty Tabor of King's X plays Orange amps-the solid state ones. He knows a bit about tone. Saw them live two years ago and he sounded great. Orange rocks! Early Sabbath, Zeppelin...
Awesome video! what is the difference in sound beetween rockerverb 50 vs 100 watts?
I have the Th100, it is the best amp imaginable. Turning the shape and gain all the way up on the dirty channel yields the ultimate, crushing metal tone. The clean channel, on the hand, sounds just as good as a Twin Reverb, if not better. I've had it for three years now and I want to add a rockerverb 50 mk iii to my collection. No other brand holds a candle to Orange, they are simply the most versatile, clear, and full sounding amps to my ears.
Great first riff on the rocker verb
I’m a big fan of my ORV mkiii. It has been a shocking revelation for me how good it sounds. I’ve always gravitated towards 5150 & Mesa style amps. Now I use my RV mkiii or my Badlander for my rhythm tone, I use my KSR and Stealth for leads.
Quick comparison:
3:14 Rockerverb
6:07 TH30
9:05 OR15
I listened to this a few times, and I liked the Rockerverb the most because it sounded the most versatile and it blended well in studio situations. It also has a really great blend of harmonic content, as well as a chimeyness to it, especially when playing big chords. The OR15 is a favorite of mine because of its abundance of harmonic content. I think with that amp though you would really need to take some time dialing in a great tone and pair it with the best guitar for the sound you want. Because of that, I think that it comes in third place for me in this video. Surprisingly enough, the TH30 was a very close second to the Rockerverb. It was very open and almost hollow sounding. I also noticed a great amount of presence in its tone. I have never been big on the TH30, but after this video, I think I need to really give it another look. In my work in the studio, I think that I would pair the Rockerverb with the TH30 for rhythm guitars because they really seem to complement each other. If money was no object, I would just buy all 3 amps and call it a day.
I have an OR15 and funnily enough it sounds best with the EQ at noon! I make slight changes depending on the cab I'm plugged into, but generally speaking it takes little to no effort at all to get an awesome tone. Whack up the volume, put the gain to around 1 o'clock, put a boost in front, and it's an absolute metal machine. Take the boost off and roll your guitar volume back, and you get some decent cleans. Not Fender-clean, but very good all the same.
Great comparison! Can you plug two 16ohm 4x12 cabs into the TH30 though? or would you have to daisy chain them into one of the 8ohm jacks
No, it would have to be two 8 ohm cabinets using both 8 ohm output jacks on the back of the amp.
So...I've been consuming so much of your Orange amp content lately and you are, by far, my favorite amp demo channel. I've been searching high and low for info and videos on the orange or50h and find very little. As far as what is out there, the quality is lackluster. Any way, can you please demo an OR50h and compare that to the Rockerverb, OR15, and TH30? I'd love your thoughts. FYI, just ordered one used today sight unseen (nothing in my state) had to buy on reverb out of state with little to no experience with the OR50 other than forum opinions and very little youtube vids. Please help! Please do this review!!!!
Wow, that riff!
I own a OR15 since 1 year., 1 channel , 1 love.
I think is a very clever lunchbox head, light and cheap and what a sound ! high gain, crunch and marvellous clean , what do you need more ?
and what a look, afterall !
Personally I dig the overall tones of all three but for my purposes I'd love too have the OR15.
I have the orange terror stamp. I have the gain set at 2:00, Shape set at 2:00 and the volume set the same. Would I be able to get that same tone?
I was wondering if you could figure out the orange rockerverb mk3 frequency response I have no idea how it's done but I kinda wanna know around what frequencies the amp sits in as well as what the bass middle and treble change
The TH30 is great, I am so happy with it I play mostly metal but I like great clean tones. I like to have different overdrive pedals (I have 4 different overdrives and they act like EQs but in front of the amp) . A maxon808 makes this amp sounds great. I also like to drop a 10 band EQ pedal in the FX loops to cut frequencies and remove undesired elements (I do not boost frequencies in the FX loop).
TH30 beautiful high end look good for gigs and home ofc a lil more distortion and bass for my personal preference good balanced amps
The TH30 sounds amazing with great headphones on. Great video…
You should also look into a Matamp. I have a GT120MV and it sounds amazing with a boost pedal in front!
I have the same amp. Best amp I’ve ever owned. I also run a Rockerverb 100 MKIII through 3 4x12’s. I wish my Rockerverb could keep up with my Matamp. That Matamp is so much louder.
Stick a treble boost in front of the or15 and it'll sing. Would be a killer amp if you have already have something bright like a Marshall, that'll make your sound huge! Awesome playing dude
Orange never fails to disappoint 👍
Great!
Which of these 3 awesome amps would you choose and why?
All of them.
@@cleavage2126 same haha!
I did not expect the TH30 to be this good.
I own an OR15, and absolutely love it. A Rockerverb is the dream, but budget says it would be the T30 if I need to upgrade. I'm quite jealous of your collection. Love your vids, man.
Well you are the reason of why I bought the OR15 and this video confirms that it was the right choice. Its an amazing head and your videos are so helpful . The Rockerverb sound incredible but I really like the OR15 too
I have a TH30 and I absolutely love it.
Very nice. I'm a huge Orange fan (OR50, OR15, Rockerverb 50 MKII, PPC212 & PPC112) and stoner rock. I think you nailed it. Very Orange Goblin-ish tune (I think guitarist play marshall. Bassist definitely plays Orange). The rockerverb series Seems to be the most versatile of their amps but, the OR15 always surprises for such a compact head. I think I read somewhere that the OR15 was derived from the Rocker 30 preamp.
Cheers.
I had Rocker 30 and now I have OR15. They are different. OR15 is Rockerverb based...
I actually like the 15 watter the best . Less fizzy than the other 2 and more classic orange sounding.
OR 15 equals zero fizz even with stock tubes.
Id love to see an in depth Mk1(w/ 6V6's) vs mk3 RVRB comparison. I know you dont have a Mk1 but if you ever have the chance to borrow one maybe?
This was good. I like the TH30 man it mixes best, High end cuts through and low end is the rumble in the balls you need from an amp. Uses in 7 mode is PERFECT for bedroom practice and the other modes are perfect for gigs small and large.
As is often the case very hard to pick through a Recording. But being in the room the differences are vast.
Depends on what kind of rock song you wanna make but the Rockerverb I think stands out as the one with the best overall shape and tone. But the OR15 held up very strongly! Definitely a good choice for a rocker on a budget!
Love how in your face the th30 sounds
I’ve got the Rockerverb Mkiii 100 and TH30 and love them both. I’ve also got the Tiny Terror and between all of those amps I feel I can get all the Orange tones I’d ever want and need (but still I want more 😉).
That's a great selection for sure!
OR15 sounds great, I feel like it sits better in the mix, TH30 sounded not so great in the mix but awesome alone and the rockerverb was the best overall, although, might be a bit lost in the mix with another guitar? I went for the Rocker 15 for the convenience of being able to play at home, I think it sounds quite similar to the OR15.
It does sit the best in the mix. You are exactly right.
I was so impressed with the or15 that just had to watch some more demo videos for that ano and now I am gassing bad for one..it used to be the selection for high quality low watt anps was basically non existant now every manufacturer has killer low watt anps more and more I find myself preferring the sound of amps 20 watts and below in comparison videos
I’ve been considering the TH30 as my next amp but Flores it being a different flavor than a Marshall JVM?
i own Rockerverb 50 limited....beast
Just as I feared -- I definitely prefer the Rockerverb. Dang it. =D
The TH30 might sound really good w/ some Eminence Swamp Thang speakers, though (for doom metal / sludge / similar).
I'm die hard orange but mostly use my amps as a pedal platform, digging the single channel on the OR15, like to keep it simple
Orange Rockerverb 50 MKIII all day long! They all sound pretty great, though.
Watched about 32 times for the riff alone, lol \m/ awesome