Walther P38 vs. Walther P5: Hipster Head to Head

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  • @JayBagwell
    @JayBagwell ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video! I have two P5’s, and a P88. The P88 has that same hard recoil as the P38, but you are correct - the P5 is a sweet shooter.
    One of my P5’s was a version made for the Italian market originally sold with a .30 Luger barrel (they were prohibited from owning handguns chambered in a military caliber similar to Latin America. They didn’t sell very well, so they put 9x19 barrels in and sold them in the standard configuration at US Military bases in Germany to US servicemen, this one was imported as “household goods” and therefore no import marks. All the mags are marked 9x19 AND 7.65mm (.30 Luger). Pretty interesting piece. I’ve never fired a P5 that didn’t have a great trigger. Thanks for doing the voodoo that you do!

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, man! You’ve got some cool pistols. I’ve never tried anything .30 Luger. I bet it shoots nicely-maybe a little less mass than 9mm? But yeah, there’s something magical about the P5. I don’t find the recoil bad at all on my P88c… maybe not as smooth as the P5… but not the jolty thump of this P38. Thanks again!

  • @gracedagostino5231
    @gracedagostino5231 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bought a commercial new in box P38 in 1983, which has test target, cleaning tool, manual, and 2 Walther magazines. Mine has all the latest upgrades, which are fat slide, Hex Bolts, stronger alloy, better sights, and nicer finish. My test target at 25 meters put 6 in one ragged hole dead center, and the other 2 very close. I have never seen a better Walther test target of P38, P1, P5, P88, than mine. I look at Gunbroker all the time and seen dozens of these Walther test targets. I have shot a few thousand rounds, including several hundred +P's with no problems. Don't own a P5 but fired 1 and dry fired another, and noticed the reset was a little longer than mine, which is very short, but don't know if this is the case with all of them.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow. Jealous. I think that pic I have in the video of the 1983 P38 sounds a lot like the one you have. As I said, I don't think for a minute the P38 design is anything but accurate. Some members on the Walther forum have commented on the P38's bullseye potential. All that said... I get the sense the early postwar P38s and the later ones are somewhat different animals. And I think P5 incorporates all the improvements... and then some. I still suspect that--with its full-length slide--the P5 is going to have a softer, more plush feel than just any P38. If you haven't tried a P5, it's worth it. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone saying it's anything less than awesome. Thanks so much for the comment!

    • @gracedagostino5231
      @gracedagostino5231 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, the P38 photo at 10:30 looks exactly like mine. I really think that would have been a fairer comparison between the P5, than your older 1960's P38. By 1983 they greatly improved the trigger in both double, and single action. I fired a P5 at the range, and dry fired another in a gun store. I really thought my P38 trigger was better than the P5's. Yes, my double action is heavy, but is a short quick snap. The single action is 4 pounds with a very short reset with no creep, your right at the wall. My newer (1983 made) Interarms imported P38 don't show up to often on Gunbroker, as they are rarer, and people hang on to them. They are the strongest of all P38's, and able to shoot +P's. @@HipsterTactical

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gracedagostino5231 Yeah, it definitely would have been a fairer comparison. And I noted that as a caveat in the video--I'd love to try a later-production P38, at some point. I'll probably end up with one, at some point. Another good excuse for a video. Thanks again for chiming in!

  • @RickJZ1973
    @RickJZ1973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Both are without a doubt great Walther's. I view the P5 as the final evolution of the P38.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup. It certainly is... though with a bit of a new take on the OG paradigm...

  • @frankbutta9344
    @frankbutta9344 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sheesh! I had a difficult time trying to comment on this video. The exposed barrel was something I never really noticed, maybe because I shoot a lot of revolvers. Thanks for sharing all of this, Matt! 👍👍👍👍💥

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's weird. @danthewolfman said the same thing on one of his videos. Yeah, the "un-shrouded" barrel definitely changes the feel of how the gun cycles. I think I likes me a full slide. Thanks, as usual, Frank!

  • @SonOfTheDawn515
    @SonOfTheDawn515 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'd take a P5 and carry it. Its lines are just... Simple yet mature and classy while also being rugged.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, man. The P5 is a fantastic pistol in every respect. I’d shoot mine all the time if they weren’t so rare and expensive. Thanks for the comment!

  • @alvolante4164
    @alvolante4164 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Merry Xmas 🎄 Mr Tactical. Love your personality and content.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much, Al! Really appreciate you support and your kind words. Hope you had a great holiday! --Matt

  • @jeffcaldwell2991
    @jeffcaldwell2991 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I own a West German Army P1 manufactured in 1979. So, it has the heavier slide, improved sights and so forth. I like it. I agree that the double-action trigger is not easy. I shoot it better in SA mode though. Good video.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, my friend! There's a later-production P1 sitting in my local gun shop. I kinda want it. We'll see. Thanks again!

  • @shinnkage
    @shinnkage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    P1 and wood grip contrast is fantastic! Hope you will get it for P5 also. Thank you for your great review!

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Yeah, they look really good. I've "almost" bought wood grips for the P5 a few times... but the factory grips feel great, honestly. I'm sure I'll capitulate to the allure of wood grain, at some point. Thanks for the comment!

  • @troyspurling1910
    @troyspurling1910 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content brother. I knew nothing about the P5 before this video

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much, buddy! Appreciate you watching. Yeah, it's not a super well-known pistol--which is a shame, because it's one of my favorite pistols. Such a nice shooter. If you ever run across one at a decent price... grab it. Thanks again!

  • @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
    @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really wish that more guns were made with the ejection ports on the left hand side as it would be easier for right handed people to clear a jam as they don't have to change hands to do it meaning faster malfunction clearings. As a left handed shooter despite wanting left handed ejection ports on guns so i won't have to worry about brass in my face as often just turning the gun slightly sideways to clear a malfunction without having to change the hand is a huge benefit as depending on the training you can swiftly get back on target compared to right handed people.
    Personally i want more ejection ports on handguns so i can dual wield more efficiently and not worry about brass hitting my hand

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha. Can't underestimate the utility of efficient ejection for dual wielding. It's just easier to un-chamber a round with a left-hand ejection port--whether it's during a malf or just clearing a round after carrying. And I don't notice any difference in the trajectory of casings while shooting. Thanks!

  • @statictech7
    @statictech7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the guns you choose to make videos on. If i could make some requests.. Sig P230 and SW 469. Keep up the great work!

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, buddy! It's funny--a Sig P230SL was the first gun I ever owned. I honestly prefer the Makarov and the Beretta 85FS (both of which I own) in terms of old-school blowback pistols. But... I'm sure I'll have another P230 at some point. I do also have a S&W 6904--which is the 3rd gen version of the 469. That was my main carry gun for a while. It's a great pistol. I'll definitely review it at some point.

    • @JayBagwell
      @JayBagwell ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have an unusual P230, made exclusively for the Japanese Police. Has a lanyard loop, frame mounted safety (blasphemy for classic Sigs), but best of all it’s chambered in .32 Auto! The P230 in .380 is not fun to shoot, because it has decent recoil like the PPK in .380.
      I know people bash .32, but it’s a compromise I was willing to make for such a unique piece of Sig history.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JayBagwell I had one of those Japanese P230s in .32!!! I was broke. Sold it. Sigh. Hell, maybe you’re the guy who bought it :) But I agree-P230s aren’t that pleasant to shoot in .380. I’ve had two .380 P230s-the SL and an alloy one. The SL was a little better, but not much. The .32 was much nicer than both the .380s. Honestly, give me a Makarov any day for a blowback “spring-around-the-barrel” kinda pistol. I also love the Beretta Cheetah. Thanks for the comment, man!

  • @arcrid8440
    @arcrid8440 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very cool comparison! The P5 is cool for sure. I just wonder what the P5 (or P6/P7) did that the P38/P1 didn’t. It’s odd to me they adopted a bunch of single stack 9s, which they had already been using for decades.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, my friend! And yeah-that’s a good question. I’ve often wondered why double stacks didn’t catch on with DA/SA pistols until later. I can only surmise that, for police use, the Germans thought the additional bulk of a high cap mag was overkill and unnecessary. I’ll say that handling a P6/P225 vs. a P228/P229 is a different experience. The P6 feels more connected, intimate… and just more handy overall. And the only difference is really the width of the frame and grip. I dunno… just theorizing. But it’s a good question. Take care!

    • @arcrid8440
      @arcrid8440 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HipsterTactical Thanks for the thoughtful reply! I can see your point, a single stack definitely has a different feel. It just blows my mind the High Power came out in the 30s and most countries continued to use single stacks all the way up into the 80s. The 1935A and S, the MAC 1950, the Beretta 1951, P210 and P75, P38, the P5-7 etc. It’s like they suddenly remembered that the high power was double stack in the late 70s, and were like what if we tried that again?

  • @PPISAFETY
    @PPISAFETY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hipster Tactical, another great job. Having owned both a P1 and a P5, I have to second your statement that the P1/P38 is less pleasant to shoot than the P5. I got a P1 back in the 90's because, at the time, you could buy them as surplus pistols with a holster and a spare magazine for $179. I got one because I had grown up watching the TV show "Rat Patrol", in which the German Captain Dietrich, played by Hans Gudegast, absolutely exuded cool, for a Nazi of course, and he carried a P38. I found the pistol generally hard to shoot well in timed drills, and uncomfortable in the same way you did. I rather quickly sold it.
    A bit later, as a project, I thought it would be interesting to acquire a P5, a P6, and a P7 at the same time to compare them head to head. Back in the 90's, you could get all three pistols for about $1500, with the P6 being the cheapest of the three. I liked all of them in one way or another, and would have been well served by any of them as a carry gun. I ultimately chose the P6, and after that carried a commercial SIG P225 on a daily basis until my employment mandated that I carry a Glock. The problem with any of these three today is price, less so with the SIG, but you get beat to death financially trying to buy reliable magazines for the original P6/P225. Keep up the good work.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks so much, Tom! And thanks for confirming I'm not crazy with my take on these two guns. Did your P1 have the fatter slide? I'd curious to know how/if that makes a difference in shooting feel. Yeah, I'd love to do a comparo between the P5/P6/P7--but, alas... I'm just not "equipped" to pay the cost of P7-cult membership. I really like the P6--I have a very nice one, from 1982. Will definitely review that, at some point. Still, though... the P5 shines as one of my most favorite shooters. Right up there with the 92 and the PX4. And the P9S. Thanks again for your support and for the kind words!

    • @gracedagostino5231
      @gracedagostino5231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would guess that his didn't have the fat slide, because overwhelmingly those surplus P38/P1 that came with holster didn't have the fat slide. They looked like yours, but with the black plastic grips. The fat slide is rare but having both fat slide and hex bolts rarer. Yes, it makes a big difference in shoot ability having the fat slide.@@HipsterTactical

    • @PPISAFETY
      @PPISAFETY ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HipsterTacticalMine did have the fatter slide and the aluminum frame. It is my understanding that the alloy frame is what differentiates a P1 from the P38. I found it uncomfortable to fire.
      As for the P7, I owned a half dozen of them at different times years ago, and never paid more than $650 for one, most were less. I'd usually get them at gun shows when some guy came up to my table needing cash.They were cool in an odd sort of way, but were the first guns I sold when money got tight. They never really did anything for me that other similarly sized 9mm's didn't do with less trouble. You usually had to buy a custom holster, and spare magazines cost a fortune. And if you let your support hand get forward of the trigger guard, you soon noticed in a firing string an odd smell. That was your skin being burned.
      I did work an interesting case once where a guy purchased a P7 as his very first handgun. He rather quickly purchased about a dozen very expensive firearms in addition. He decided to carry his new blaster in a very tight, new small of the back holster. When he holstered up one day, he inadvertantly caught a piece of his shirt inside the trigger guard, pressing the trigger back. Since the squeeze cocker was not deployed, nothing happened. He carried that way all day, returned home to his second floor apartment, and tried to remove the P7 from its holster. It was stuck. He grasped it firmly, and according to his statement, on the second try to remove it, "it just went off'. He didn't realize that the P7 M8 would fire if you held the trigger back, and then operated the squeeze cocking mechanism which he did while gripping it. The bullet barely missed his butt, traveled through the floor into the first floor apartment, and sturck the floor about 20 inches from where a toddler was playing. Her mother freaked out, with good reason, and called the cops. Our P7 gunslinger felt terrible and pleaded guilty to reckless endangerment, getting a sentence of probation and a fine. But he determined that guns were "just too dangerous" and sold every firearm he owned at bargain basement prices within two weeks.

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PPISAFETY Interesting. I would expect the fat slide to have some (positive) effect on shootability... but not as much as the P5's extended slide--and possibly lockup/timing enhancements. "P1" is just the designation for Bundeswehr-issue P38s; commercial guns were still marked "P38" up through the 80s/90s, alloy frames, fat slides and all.
      That's a harrowing anecdote about the P7. I have heard that they'll fire in any "order" of trigger/lever engagement, as long as both are pulled simultaneously. I also hear mixed reviews on their "utility," given their quirks. I'm sure they're very accurate--I've always found fixed-barrel guns to be tack drivers. My P9S certainly is. I'd love to try a P7, but the prices they're commanding these days, I can usually think of something else nearly as cool for a fraction of the price...... like a Steyr GB, for instance :) I gotta grab one of those before the prices explode. Anyway... thanks again for chiming in!

    • @gracedagostino5231
      @gracedagostino5231 ปีที่แล้ว

      The post war Walther P38 has the aluminum/alloy frame, same as P1. Also seems hard to believe a 1990's surplus P1 had the fat slide. The German military/police were getting rid of the older P1's and upgrading to fat slide/hex bolts. Much like our police get rid of Glock gen 3, and upgrade to gen 5. It is rare to see a 1990's surplus P1 with the fat slide. You bought your surplus P1 some 35 years ago, got rid of it "quickly", but remember that it had the fat slide? I bet you didn't even know what the fat slide was or even looked like. Now I have seen recently imported surplus P1's with the fat slide, and even a few with the hex bolts, as the German military/police has finally phased out the P38/P1. @@PPISAFETY

  • @DanTheWolfman
    @DanTheWolfman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thx

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No prob, dude! Hope you're doing well.

    • @DanTheWolfman
      @DanTheWolfman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @HipsterTactical thnx you too but you're not hipster enough you need to come over to the 40 dark side look at Mt vid from today

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DanTheWolfman Cool vid, man! Great analysis and info. Clearly I need a .40 in the pile.

  • @milodelgobbo5020
    @milodelgobbo5020 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good video !

  • @burtonkephart6239
    @burtonkephart6239 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been thinking of getting P5 for awhile as I’m was looking for conceal carry 9mm and instead of getting $850 Kimber micro 9 I thought maybe this gem would be great to add to collection if I could find for close ish price !

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you get lucky, you might be able to find a P5 for around that price. Probably not on Gunbroker, though, unfortunately. I found mine on Armslist for $750 (I think). Granted, that was 3 years ago. But look around... you might get lucky. And yes--at that price, why not carry a classic service pistol with a proven track record. Thanks for the comment and good luck!

  • @Imragnar1
    @Imragnar1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey hipster look at the colt new service an amazing colt

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! I know about the Colt New Service--never seen one, though. But I'll keep my eye out!

  • @scottwilson1258
    @scottwilson1258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your Efforts dont fall on Deaf Ears my Freind!

    • @HipsterTactical
      @HipsterTactical  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, my friend! Glad you enjoyed the video. It was pretty interesting to compare the two. I learned a few things.

  • @ПавелЧервев-я9о
    @ПавелЧервев-я9о 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Энергетика пули из П5 не многим выше чем из ПМ. Слишком короткий ствол

  • @StephenBaylor-kl8wx
    @StephenBaylor-kl8wx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Behave relax take some